'Will they be demanding contributions from other EU states?'
Definitely,we aren't in the Euro but still had to make a contribution to the Greek bail-out and are not in Schengen but will still be expected to pay.
Or maybe just limit contributions to countries like Germany & Italy that still don't contribute 0.7% of National income to overseas aid even though they agreed to this 10 years ago ?
Or we could just use some of the overseas aid budget? Nowhere does it say it needs to be a net increase in spending
Speaking in Brussels, Viktor Orban, the Hungarian prime minister, says that a new border management system comes into force on September 15 with the "full presence of police and military", writes Matthew Holehouse.
He says it is essential that Schengen states such as Hungary have a "duty" to protect their external border under the Schengen code. They have to "put an end" to the "masses" crossing the border.
Across the EU people have "fears and concerns that do not have a voice", he says. "They see that we cannot handle the situation, and that causes fears and concerns. We have to be clear we understand people's fears and concerns."
Orban vs the EU: "Quotas will increase the number of victims." — Matthew Holehouse (@mattholehouse) September 3, 2015
He says most migrants "started on this journey because of a hope of a better life, not because they were forced to do so. This is a mass migration of peoples that has an unlimited reserve."
"If the EU continues with this politics, then tens of millions of people will arrive at the borders of Europe."
EU leaders must "make clear as a moral issue" that people can settle in Europe is an "illusion".
"Our Christian obligation is not to create illusions, hopes in people who will risk their lives in the hope of something that we know is not real."
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago Government expected to announce in days that it will take thousands of more refugees from Syria not tens of thousands.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago The refugrees will be taken from the borders of Syria and not from those travelling across Europe. Likely to be done with UNHCR and not EU.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 46s46 seconds ago Government sources say it is right to respond to the terrible scenes seen on television. Details of scheme still being completed.
Long summer holidays actually do more to enforce inequality that pretty much anything else. Middle class kids tend to do more over the holidays, other cliched things like that.
I'd actually suggest a full overhaul of school terms with more, shorter holidays and a bit of freedom for schools to put them where they want. And also longer days, to 5 or 6, but with more 'less-intense' sessions in there. A longer lunch break but with more chance to do sport in that break, for example.
The usual suspects come up with threir usual antipathy toward anything Lib Dem but Tim has come up with at least something to think about.
If we are moving away from State control of education via Academies and Free Schools, why not let schools decide when to take their holidays rather than have something imposed by local authorities or central Government ?
Some might argue a quality education doesn't require long periods of attendance - in other words, it's what you do when you're in school not how long you're at school that matters.
My summer lunch cafe was "invaded" by a commonality of teachers yesterday - twenty of them all talking loudly on their first day back. I was tempted to tell them to settle down and be quiet or I'll put them in detention but that didn't seem wise.
In fairness to Farron the concentration of school holidays at present is a bit barmy. Not only clearly concentrating the upwards drive in peak holiday prices it also means industries not at all remotely connected to education ( like mine ) have painfully quiet Augusts as so many decision makers are away at once.The French do a zone a, b, c thing dividing France into three along ( non neighbouring ) regional lines, and I think the Germans do something similar. Wouldn't be a bad idea to look at here for England and Wales ( Scotland and NI go earlier I think anyway).
'The Labour leadership candidates have this morning weighed in on the refugee crisis, in which it’s estimated over 2,500 people have died since the start of this year.'
Interesting how much support Cameron is getting on LabourList.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago Government expected to announce in days that it will take thousands of more refugees from Syria not tens of thousands.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago The refugrees will be taken from the borders of Syria and not from those travelling across Europe. Likely to be done with UNHCR and not EU.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 46s46 seconds ago Government sources say it is right to respond to the terrible scenes seen on television. Details of scheme still being completed.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago Government expected to announce in days that it will take thousands of more refugees from Syria not tens of thousands.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago The refugrees will be taken from the borders of Syria and not from those travelling across Europe. Likely to be done with UNHCR and not EU.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 46s46 seconds ago Government sources say it is right to respond to the terrible scenes seen on television. Details of scheme still being completed.
Its just been announced that this has been the coldest summer in 3 years. I wish I could remember what the Met Office long term forecast was for this summer. The other point is that it is only 3 years - not 13 or 23, but that once gain after only 3 years we have had a cold summer.
As is often the case, a generalised comment hides a multitude of truths. It's not been a bad summer for the south-east and London in terms of rainfall and sunshine and July 1st broke several temperature records. That said, the romanticised idyll of long summer days of unbroken sunshine hasn't materialised here but go a couple of hundred miles south of Portsmouth (or Torbay) and it's been a very different summer. I've not seen the overall numbers yet for France but they have had a long hot summer with all manner of records broken with temperatures getting past 40c (104F in old money) on a number of occasions in the interior. Germany and the Low Countries have also had very hot spells as well. A small distance can make a great difference and this confuses the overall debate. To assume because you've had no heat that no one else has is as foolish as assuming that because you're a Conservative, everyone else is.
As is often the case we find the Met's forecast for a hot, dry summer looking somewhat out with some areas looking to have the most rain since records began. The reality is that events like El Nino, not something a couple of hundred miles away, can affect our weather. The Met chose to ignore a strong El Nino yet now choose to blame it. Can we imagine if a simple matter of 'weather' and some far off cycle in the Pacific had left us with a record hot summer instead of a cold one just what the Met would be saying.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago Government expected to announce in days that it will take thousands of more refugees from Syria not tens of thousands.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago The refugrees will be taken from the borders of Syria and not from those travelling across Europe. Likely to be done with UNHCR and not EU.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 46s46 seconds ago Government sources say it is right to respond to the terrible scenes seen on television. Details of scheme still being completed.
PB is about to explode in 3....2....1....
Excellent news that they are been taken from the Syrian border - the correct approach. The numbers suggest a PR sop rather than anything significant.
Its just been announced that this has been the coldest summer in 3 years. I wish I could remember what the Met Office long term forecast was for this summer. The other point is that it is only 3 years - not 13 or 23, but that once gain after only 3 years we have had a cold summer.
As is often the case, a generalised comment hides a multitude of truths. It's not been a bad summer for the south-east and London in terms of rainfall and sunshine and July 1st broke several temperature records. That said, the romanticised idyll of long summer days of unbroken sunshine hasn't materialised here but go a couple of hundred miles south of Portsmouth (or Torbay) and it's been a very different summer. I've not seen the overall numbers yet for France but they have had a long hot summer with all manner of records broken with temperatures getting past 40c (104F in old money) on a number of occasions in the interior. Germany and the Low Countries have also had very hot spells as well. A small distance can make a great difference and this confuses the overall debate. To assume because you've had no heat that no one else has is as foolish as assuming that because you're a Conservative, everyone else is.
As is often the case we find the Met's forecast for a hot, dry summer looking somewhat out with some areas looking to have the most rain since records began. The reality is that events like El Nino, not something a couple of hundred miles away, can affect our weather. The Met chose to ignore a strong El Nino yet now choose to blame it. Can we imagine if a simple matter of 'weather' and some far off cycle in the Pacific had left us with a record hot summer instead of a cold one just what the Met would be saying.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago Government expected to announce in days that it will take thousands of more refugees from Syria not tens of thousands.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago The refugrees will be taken from the borders of Syria and not from those travelling across Europe. Likely to be done with UNHCR and not EU.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 46s46 seconds ago Government sources say it is right to respond to the terrible scenes seen on television. Details of scheme still being completed.
Token gesture which will not satisfy Guardian readers and other progressives.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago Government expected to announce in days that it will take thousands of more refugees from Syria not tens of thousands.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago The refugrees will be taken from the borders of Syria and not from those travelling across Europe. Likely to be done with UNHCR and not EU.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 46s46 seconds ago Government sources say it is right to respond to the terrible scenes seen on television. Details of scheme still being completed.
PB is about to explode in 3....2....1....
Excellent news that they are been taken from the Syrian border - the correct approach. The numbers suggest a PR sop rather than anything significant.
Orban makes good points.
I thought PBers wanted NO Syrian refugees in Britain. But if that's not the case I'm glad to hear
And I'm also glad we'll be doing our bit in this crisis, it seems.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago Government expected to announce in days that it will take thousands of more refugees from Syria not tens of thousands.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago The refugrees will be taken from the borders of Syria and not from those travelling across Europe. Likely to be done with UNHCR and not EU.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 46s46 seconds ago Government sources say it is right to respond to the terrible scenes seen on television. Details of scheme still being completed.
PB is about to explode in 3....2....1....
Excellent news that they are been taken from the Syrian border - the correct approach. The numbers suggest a PR sop rather than anything significant.
As they will be selected from the Syrian Borders rather than the amassed ranks appearing in Hungary and else where, they are more than likely genuine refugees escaping the civil war.
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As they will be selected from the Syrian Borders rather than the amassed ranks appearing in Hungary and else where, they are more than likely genuine refugees escaping the civil war.
Ah, yes. Well that seems to be eminently sensible.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago Government expected to announce in days that it will take thousands of more refugees from Syria not tens of thousands.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago The refugrees will be taken from the borders of Syria and not from those travelling across Europe. Likely to be done with UNHCR and not EU.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 46s46 seconds ago Government sources say it is right to respond to the terrible scenes seen on television. Details of scheme still being completed.
Token gesture which will not satisfy Guardian readers and other progressives.
'The Labour leadership candidates have this morning weighed in on the refugee crisis, in which it’s estimated over 2,500 people have died since the start of this year.' Interesting how much support Cameron is getting on LabourList.
Sturgeon making weepy pleas. Where is the colour of her money and housing stock? Cooper likewise. The two children and their mother are being repatriated back to Syria, the father is going back with them to bury them. Just why did he have to leave, especially in the way he did, in the first place.
Its just been announced that this has been the coldest summer in 3 years. I wish I could remember what the Met Office long term forecast was for this summer. The other point is that it is only 3 years - not 13 or 23, but that once gain after only 3 years we have had a cold summer.
As is often the case, a generalised comment hides a multitude of truths. It's not been a bad summer for the south-east and London in terms of rainfall and sunshine and July 1st broke several temperature records. That said, the romanticised idyll of long summer days of unbroken sunshine hasn't materialised here but go a couple of hundred miles south of Portsmouth (or Torbay) and it's been a very different summer. I've not seen the overall numbers yet for France but they have had a long hot summer with all manner of records broken with temperatures getting past 40c (104F in old money) on a number of occasions in the interior. Germany and the Low Countries have also had very hot spells as well. A small distance can make a great difference and this confuses the overall debate. To assume because you've had no heat that no one else has is as foolish as assuming that because you're a Conservative, everyone else is.
As is often the case we find the Met's forecast for a hot, dry summer looking somewhat out with some areas looking to have the most rain since records began. The reality is that events like El Nino, not something a couple of hundred miles away, can affect our weather. The Met chose to ignore a strong El Nino yet now choose to blame it. Can we imagine if a simple matter of 'weather' and some far off cycle in the Pacific had left us with a record hot summer instead of a cold one just what the Met would be saying.
As they will be selected from the Syrian Borders rather than the amassed ranks appearing in Hungary and else where, they are more than likely genuine refugees escaping the civil war.
Quite right. A point I and others have made here. This approach is far superior to Germany, and it gives us the crucial element of control.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago Government expected to announce in days that it will take thousands of more refugees from Syria not tens of thousands.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago The refugrees will be taken from the borders of Syria and not from those travelling across Europe. Likely to be done with UNHCR and not EU.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 46s46 seconds ago Government sources say it is right to respond to the terrible scenes seen on television. Details of scheme still being completed.
Token gesture which will not satisfy Guardian readers and other progressives.
Well, they won't be satisfied until we let in millions. But not to live in their streets.
I can't agree with the consensus in this and the previous thread that Cooper now has a better chance than Burnham.
Maybe my Labour circle is atypical because we're northern, but it's always been between Burnham and Corbyn round here, and if anything that's grown in recent weeks - Andy is thought to have belatedly pulled his finger out and said some vaguely Labourish things (though there's still suspicion about whether he can be trusted to stick to it if he gets the job), while Yvette irked people by saying Corbyn's economics was wrong in principle - most Labour members agree with him in principle even if they have doubts about his electability. I went to see her in person a few weeks ago and, while most listened to her respectfully, there were a few people very angry about some of the things she'd said about Corbyn and her refusal to serve in his shadow cabinet.
I wondered about geographical differences when I reported that the Broxtowe non-Corbyn vote was for Cooper. I don't think there are enough Cooper<->Burnham transfers to get over the line either way.
Cooper hasn't quite refused, by the way - in the interview I saw she said it'd be difficult but one shouldn't say never.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago Government expected to announce in days that it will take thousands of more refugees from Syria not tens of thousands.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago The refugrees will be taken from the borders of Syria and not from those travelling across Europe. Likely to be done with UNHCR and not EU.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 46s46 seconds ago Government sources say it is right to respond to the terrible scenes seen on television. Details of scheme still being completed.
Token gesture which will not satisfy Guardian readers and other progressives.
Well, they won't be satisfied until we let in millions. But not to live in their streets.
It won't feel like a token gesture to every man, woman and child who gets to settle in Britain from this scheme. We should also at the same time double down on the Calais defences.
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'The Labour leadership candidates have this morning weighed in on the refugee crisis, in which it’s estimated over 2,500 people have died since the start of this year.' Interesting how much support Cameron is getting on LabourList.
Sturgeon making weepy pleas. Where is the colour of her money and housing stock? Cooper likewise. The two children and their mother are being repatriated back to Syria, the father is going back with them to bury them. Just why did he have to leave, especially in the way he did, in the first place.
I wonder what's going through the minds of Cooper's constituents who are stuck at the bottom of the housing lists.
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Yoiu also omiitted he will get a crash course in root vegetables.
'The Labour leadership candidates have this morning weighed in on the refugee crisis, in which it’s estimated over 2,500 people have died since the start of this year.' Interesting how much support Cameron is getting on LabourList.
Sturgeon making weepy pleas. Where is the colour of her money and housing stock? Cooper likewise. The two children and their mother are being repatriated back to Syria, the father is going back with them to bury them. Just why did he have to leave, especially in the way he did, in the first place.
A desperate man tricked by money grabbing shysters. He made a terrible mistake, and has paid a massive price. Hopefully he can find some peace.
I can't agree with the consensus in this and the previous thread that Cooper now has a better chance than Burnham.
Maybe my Labour circle is atypical because we're northern, but it's always been between Burnham and Corbyn round here, and if anything that's grown in recent weeks - Andy is thought to have belatedly pulled his finger out and said some vaguely Labourish things (though there's still suspicion about whether he can be trusted to stick to it if he gets the job), while Yvette irked people by saying Corbyn's economics was wrong in principle - most Labour members agree with him in principle even if they have doubts about his electability. I went to see her in person a few weeks ago and, while most listened to her respectfully, there were a few people very angry about some of the things she'd said about Corbyn and her refusal to serve in his shadow cabinet.
I wondered about geographical differences when I reported that the Broxtowe non-Corbyn vote was for Cooper. I don't think there are enough Cooper<->Burnham transfers to get over the line either way.
Cooper hasn't quite refused, by the way - in the interview I saw she said it'd be difficult but one shouldn't say never.
I think it's a regional thing: allegedly Burnham is running fourth in London (though I can't remember where I saw that).
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England's innings off to a good start.
Currently 24 for 0 after 4 overs.
I backed England at a seemingly amazing price of 2.44 - looked good at the time.
As they will be selected from the Syrian Borders rather than the amassed ranks appearing in Hungary and else where, they are more than likely genuine refugees escaping the civil war.
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Some useful data on the balloting here. In short, the market appears to be reacting to events which the electorate cannot react to.
The party initially promised that 99.9% of its electorate would have received ballot papers by 28 August, but it is now refusing to disclose how many of the 554,000 have been sent out.
A initial batch of 340,000 was dispatched on 14 August, and a second batch of 170,000 voters should have received their ballots between 21-26 August. That would have left a final batch to receive their voting instructions by email by Friday 28 August.
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Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago Government expected to announce in days that it will take thousands of more refugees from Syria not tens of thousands.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago The refugrees will be taken from the borders of Syria and not from those travelling across Europe. Likely to be done with UNHCR and not EU.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 46s46 seconds ago Government sources say it is right to respond to the terrible scenes seen on television. Details of scheme still being completed.
PB is about to explode in 3....2....1....
I don't think so. This is a thoroughly thoughtful approach by the government, compared to the ill thought through policy on the hoof by the Germans. We will do our bit, but not do anything to encourage more migrants, not will we be contracting out our immigration policy to the traffickers.
I hope that the people we take are the most vulnerable: firstly, orphans who would end up as street children, and secondly groups that have been most persecuted: the Yazidis, Syriacs and Ishmaelis.
I'm 5% Corbyn - The only thing you like about Corbyn is that it means the Tories will win again
[swaggering] 96% for me, my man!
I got 96% including "sell off some parts of the NHS", No Tax Rises, Jeremy Piven, Scruffy for beards, the Fedora, River Island for jumpers and Breaking Bad none of which I would have thought would indicate ones Corbynism.
Corbynism is for everyone, it is whatever you think it is, not what it actually is.
No-one would ever get away with that kind of politics!
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I think you have missed the perennial favourite of PR voting systems...
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago Government expected to announce in days that it will take thousands of more refugees from Syria not tens of thousands.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago The refugrees will be taken from the borders of Syria and not from those travelling across Europe. Likely to be done with UNHCR and not EU.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 46s46 seconds ago Government sources say it is right to respond to the terrible scenes seen on television. Details of scheme still being completed.
Token gesture which will not satisfy Guardian readers and other progressives.
No, but it may prevent too much moralizing condemnation at least.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago Government expected to announce in days that it will take thousands of more refugees from Syria not tens of thousands.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago The refugrees will be taken from the borders of Syria and not from those travelling across Europe. Likely to be done with UNHCR and not EU.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 46s46 seconds ago Government sources say it is right to respond to the terrible scenes seen on television. Details of scheme still being completed.
PB is about to explode in 3....2....1....
I don't think so. This is a thoroughly thoughtful approach by the government, compared to the ill thought through policy on the hoof by the Germans. We will do our bit, but not do anything to encourage more migrants, not will we be contracting out our immigration policy to the traffickers.
Applying a figure of $2000 a head, Merkel's plan is worth $1.6 billion to the traffickers.
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Cats like living with humans because they get fed and get a warm, dry comfy place to sleep, well that is a shock. I sincerely hope that no public money was involved in that piece of research into the bleedin' obvious.
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@Alanbrooke - Thank you for elevating me to a Marquis of the Duchy of Normandy last night. I'm very flattered, but, much as I like Camembert and Escalope à la Vallée d'Auge, if it's not too much trouble could you arrange something for me in somewhere more agreeable and with decent vineyards, such as Burgundy or Provence?
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago Government expected to announce in days that it will take thousands of more refugees from Syria not tens of thousands.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago The refugrees will be taken from the borders of Syria and not from those travelling across Europe. Likely to be done with UNHCR and not EU.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 46s46 seconds ago Government sources say it is right to respond to the terrible scenes seen on television. Details of scheme still being completed.
PB is about to explode in 3....2....1....
I don't think so. This is a thoroughly thoughtful approach by the government, compared to the ill thought through policy on the hoof by the Germans. We will do our bit, but not do anything to encourage more migrants, not will we be contracting out our immigration policy to the traffickers.
I hope that the people we take are the most vulnerable: firstly, orphans who would end up as street children, and secondly groups that have been most persecuted: the Yazidis, Syriacs and Ishmaelis.
I think that is a fair comment. I'm not sure how we can be sure or be 'allowed' to take the most vulnerable. I would think - taking this on to another subject - that this would enamour Cameron less to the EU as far as negotiations are concerned and Germany's and France's arbitrary and unilateral actions clearly undermine the concept of co-operation
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Well, I didn't want to frighten Mr/Mrs/Miss/Ms Estobar away, which I might have done if I had given him/her the idea that we are a bunch of eccentrics.
@Alanbrooke - Thank you for elevating me to a Marquis of the Duchy of Normandy last night. I'm very flattered, but, much as I like Camembert and Escalope à la Vallée d'Auge, if it's not too much trouble could you arrange something for me in somewhere more agreeable, such as Burgundy or Provence?
You're sitting in the middle of Champagne country. How can I improve on that ? :-)
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Why? I love cats.
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Cats like living with humans because they get fed and get a warm, dry comfy place to sleep, well that is a shock. I sincerely hope that no public money was involved in that piece of research into the bleedin' obvious.
cats are lazy bastards who seek an easy life by sponging off hard working families.
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Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago Government expected to announce in days that it will take thousands of more refugees from Syria not tens of thousands.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago The refugrees will be taken from the borders of Syria and not from those travelling across Europe. Likely to be done with UNHCR and not EU.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 46s46 seconds ago Government sources say it is right to respond to the terrible scenes seen on television. Details of scheme still being completed.
Token gesture which will not satisfy Guardian readers and other progressives.
No, but it may prevent too much moralizing condemnation at least.
There was discussion earlier by some media commentators that Cameron will be on the wrong side of history. I think it will be the likes of Merkel who will find themselves on the wrong side of history. She will create a huge pull factor and cause countless deaths.
Cameron's approach will ensure that the most vulnerable - women, children, sick, elderly, etc. are able to come to the UK. This is a far more ethical approach to the crisis which reduces the pull factors. This will be missed by many who only see Germany taking 800,000 and ignoring the damage that will cause.
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I recall a court case between two people in Bristol about ownership of a rather tubby ginger cat named, I think, "Sonny". In that context I seem to remember a statistic that there are considerably more cat owners than there are pet cats. Also, I can recommend a smashing children's book called "Six Dinner Sid". I own it, and definitely am not a child.
Mr. Llama, if you ever do get a hound, it'll be interesting to see how you compare dogs (well, dog) with the cats you've had.
When the hound comes, which it will do, eyesight permitting, when the cat finally shuffles off this mortal coil, it it going to be the most spoiled and well exercised canine in the county.
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'Following his column on the current deluge of migrants now inundating Europe, Srdja Trifkovic received the following note from a contact who has worked many years as an asylum processing officer with the Dutch Ministry of Immigration:
Dr. Trifkovic points out that none of the countries affected by the current deluge (save perhaps Hungary) exercise what has been a key element of state sovereignty for centuries: control over national borders. Their frontiers have been swamped by people who are for the most part culturally hostile to Europe. European countries are de facto giving up their basic authority to the lawlessness of the invading crowds. Their weakness only stimulates unknown new multitudes to try the same. The invaders present not only a real current threat but a substantial long-term risk, deeply destabilizing or even destructive for the targeted countries.'
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As they will be selected from the Syrian Borders rather than the amassed ranks appearing in Hungary and else where, they are more than likely genuine refugees escaping the civil war.
And traffickers?
Possibly – however I doubt traffickers would put themselves forward for ‘temporary’ repatriation and give up on what is obviously a very lucrative business for them.
'Following his column on the current deluge of migrants now inundating Europe, Srdja Trifkovic received the following note from a contact who has worked many years as an asylum processing officer with the Dutch Ministry of Immigration:
Dr. Trifkovic points out that none of the countries affected by the current deluge (save perhaps Hungary) exercise what has been a key element of state sovereignty for centuries: control over national borders. Their frontiers have been swamped by people who are for the most part culturally hostile to Europe. European countries are de facto giving up their basic authority to the lawlessness of the invading crowds. Their weakness only stimulates unknown new multitudes to try the same. The invaders present not only a real current threat but a substantial long-term risk, deeply destabilizing or even destructive for the targeted countries.'
Nice humblebrag from Owen Jones on Sky News just then: "I had better odds than Corbyn to be next leader at the start of the contest"
I stood behind Simon Callow in a shop waiting for him to buy a newspaper. He's exactly how you would expect
My husband once was nearly run over by Michael Foot - or rather a car in which Michael Foot was being driven - just outside the House of Commons. It was during the General Election campaign and Foot as Labour leader had just committed a number of gaffes that week, including IIRC falling off a platform. My husband had visions of newspaper headlines "Foot's Car Kills Man" with at the bottom of the page: The dead man's name was Mr XXXXXX. .
Good for Corbyn so far - migration crisis is non-controversial - everyone just saying we must help - so no focus on Corbyn views - which is what will play big at a GE.
As they will be selected from the Syrian Borders rather than the amassed ranks appearing in Hungary and else where, they are more than likely genuine refugees escaping the civil war.
I find most of the discussion of the refugee crisis on this blog difficult to parse ("It's the refugees fault. It's Germany's fault. It's the EU's fault..." and so on ad nauseum). My take on it is slightly different[1] and doesn't involve blaming others for their misfortune, so I can't really join in. However your observation is something I can enquire into. Why would people at the Syrian border be more likely to be refugees than those arriving at Hungary? Are you referring to people posing as Syrians in Hungary?
[1] There are many bad things in the world and we cannot solve most of them. We have a duty of care to do what we can for our own, but helping others is optional, not a duty. It speaks well of us if we can help others, but we do not incur blame if we cannot.
Nice humblebrag from Owen Jones on Sky News just then: "I had better odds than Corbyn to be next leader at the start of the contest"
I stood behind Simon Callow in a shop waiting for him to buy a newspaper. He's exactly how you would expect
My husband once was nearly run over by Michael Foot - or rather a car in which Michael Foot was being driven - just outside the House of Commons. It was during the General Election campaign and Foot as Labour leader had just committed a number of gaffes that week, including IIRC falling off a platform. My husband had visions of newspaper headlines "Foot's Car Kills Man" with at the bottom of the page: The dead man's name was Mr XXXXXX. .
This is what I don't get about Kendall being supposedly the "electable" candidate, when she's so unashamedly pro-Europe. That in my view would feed into one of Labour's biggest weaknesses, the idea that they're too weak and willing to be dominated by other governments (seen with the SNP issue this year).
'Following his column on the current deluge of migrants now inundating Europe, Srdja Trifkovic received the following note from a contact who has worked many years as an asylum processing officer with the Dutch Ministry of Immigration:
Dr. Trifkovic points out that none of the countries affected by the current deluge (save perhaps Hungary) exercise what has been a key element of state sovereignty for centuries: control over national borders. Their frontiers have been swamped by people who are for the most part culturally hostile to Europe. European countries are de facto giving up their basic authority to the lawlessness of the invading crowds. Their weakness only stimulates unknown new multitudes to try the same. The invaders present not only a real current threat but a substantial long-term risk, deeply destabilizing or even destructive for the targeted countries.'
Nice humblebrag from Owen Jones on Sky News just then: "I had better odds than Corbyn to be next leader at the start of the contest"
I stood behind Simon Callow in a shop waiting for him to buy a newspaper. He's exactly how you would expect
My husband once was nearly run over by Michael Foot - or rather a car in which Michael Foot was being driven - just outside the House of Commons. It was during the General Election campaign and Foot as Labour leader had just committed a number of gaffes that week, including IIRC falling off a platform. My husband had visions of newspaper headlines "Foot's Car Kills Man" with at the bottom of the page: The dead man's name was Mr XXXXXX. .
I've stood next to Paul Daniels and thelovelydebbie McGee in the pub. She has got outstanding posture. I've sat next to Martha Lane Fox in the train. I've just realised this is the saddest piece of boasting I've ever done....:-(
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As to the precise details, well those are up for grabs
Welcome anyway
Government expected to announce in days that it will take thousands of more refugees from Syria not tens of thousands.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 2m2 minutes ago
The refugrees will be taken from the borders of Syria and not from those travelling across Europe. Likely to be done with UNHCR and not EU.
Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour · 46s46 seconds ago
Government sources say it is right to respond to the terrible scenes seen on television. Details of scheme still being completed.
Interesting how much support Cameron is getting on LabourList.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/03/migration-crisis-hungary-pm-victor-orban-europe-response-madness
The reality is that events like El Nino, not something a couple of hundred miles away, can affect our weather. The Met chose to ignore a strong El Nino yet now choose to blame it.
Can we imagine if a simple matter of 'weather' and some far off cycle in the Pacific had left us with a record hot summer instead of a cold one just what the Met would be saying.
Orban makes good points.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/climate-change-2015-will-be-the-hottest-year-on-record-by-a-mile-experts-say-10477138.html
But the usual naysayers will mutter about warmism, no doubt.
And I'm also glad we'll be doing our bit in this crisis, it seems.
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The two children and their mother are being repatriated back to Syria, the father is going back with them to bury them. Just why did he have to leave, especially in the way he did, in the first place.
Cooper hasn't quite refused, by the way - in the interview I saw she said it'd be difficult but one shouldn't say never.
We should also at the same time double down on the Calais defences.
England's innings off to a good start.
Currently 24 for 0 after 4 overs.
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The party initially promised that 99.9% of its electorate would have received ballot papers by 28 August, but it is now refusing to disclose how many of the 554,000 have been sent out.
A initial batch of 340,000 was dispatched on 14 August, and a second batch of 170,000 voters should have received their ballots between 21-26 August. That would have left a final batch to receive their voting instructions by email by Friday 28 August.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/03/labour-members-complain-about-missing-leadership-ballot-papers?CMP=twt_a-politics_b-gdnukpolitics
I've no idea why since I did it not terribly often, but hey ho.
When Bruce Oldfield was very famous, I almost ran him over. It was a very near miss.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11841884/Cats-do-not-need-their-owners-scientists-conclude.html
I hope that the people we take are the most vulnerable: firstly, orphans who would end up as street children, and secondly groups that have been most persecuted: the Yazidis, Syriacs and Ishmaelis.
I would think - taking this on to another subject - that this would enamour Cameron less to the EU as far as negotiations are concerned and Germany's and France's arbitrary and unilateral actions clearly undermine the concept of co-operation
If you talk cat and are Top Cat, well it's a bit more of a commune. Being Top Cat and Top Dog requires a lot of effort.
For anyone with dog behaviour issues - do try The Dog Whisperer. Caser Milan is bloody good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmGKtby43Oc
2. They were a Labour plant.
3. They had an unhealthy obsession with conservative public school men.
4. They had a misogynistic attitude to female posters.
5. They led a Billy Liar existence pretending to be a farmer when they worked at an offie.
97% of cats voted for Jeremy Corbyn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foi342LXQE
Cameron's approach will ensure that the most vulnerable - women, children, sick, elderly, etc. are able to come to the UK. This is a far more ethical approach to the crisis which reduces the pull factors. This will be missed by many who only see Germany taking 800,000 and ignoring the damage that will cause.
Also, I can recommend a smashing children's book called "Six Dinner Sid". I own it, and definitely am not a child.
North Korea has been ruled by cats since 1953.
Or are his friends just going to "reason" with those who might hesitate to join his shadow cabinet?
Personally, I think the sooner he is sleeping with the fishes the better.
[1] There are many bad things in the world and we cannot solve most of them. We have a duty of care to do what we can for our own, but helping others is optional, not a duty. It speaks well of us if we can help others, but we do not incur blame if we cannot.
[1] Forgive me: I appear to have turned into Malory Towers...:-(
'Lefties talking to other lefties...and Liz Kendall.'
It's a Socialist wankfest,with a side competition on who can be the most outraged.
Corbyn 66.5%
Burnham 14.2%
Kendall 10.4%
Cooper 8.9%
*slashes wrists*
https://twitter.com/DanLeePadgett/status/639504837693075456