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edited July 2013 in General

politicalbetting.com » Blog Archive » Tonight’s bumper polling night – all the main online firms have surveys for the Sundays

Tonight’s is a very unusual one for polls outside general election campaigns. By my reckoning all the main online firms have a got a survey coming out and we should have at least four polls.

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  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    A bit early for crossover, but I remain optimistic.

    James Anderson getting Michael Clarke might help.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,704
    A 10% spread in the CON/UKIP values. Someone's gonna have egg on their face come the election.
  • MillsyMillsy Posts: 900
    The only change might be just the continued gradual slide in Ukip support, probably going equally to Con and Lab.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Agreed.

    YouGov is out of line because it doesn't take into account likelihood to vote and much of the UKIP supports comes from groups like the 60+ who do turn out.

    I was talking to one of the pollsters involved the other day and he reckoned that his raw data on UKIP was not too distant from YouGov - the gap is down to how they process it.
    RobD said:

    A 10% spread in the CON/UKIP values. Someone's gonna have egg on their face come the election.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,216
    Montana Gov Brian Schwitzer will not run for the State's Senate seat in 2014
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,884
    Good evening, everyone.

    Damned hot weather. I'll be glad when it's colder.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Ah, well.

    I'll take Broad instead of Anderson.

    Bye, bye Michael Clarke.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,216
    Clarke out!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,216
    edited July 2013
    Stephanie Flanders "As for Ed Miliband, whose romance with Ms Flanders was much shorter than her affair with Balls, ‘he was a bit of a ladies’ man’. ... ‘He had a nice line in looking as though he needed comforting from girls, and had considerable success with quite a lot of them.’" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2362450/Miliband-Balls-BOTH-romanced-Beebs-brainy-beauty-Labour-leaders-gallant-confession-love-life.html
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,216
    edited July 2013
    "Bob Crow, the RMT general secretary, will seek to exploit Labour’s wranglings with trade unions by urging the movement to break ties with Ed Miliband and create a party' to take on the 'anti-worker' agenda of the three main Westminster political parties at the Durham Miners’ Gala."
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/union-leader-bob-crow-seeks-to-form-new-working-class-party-to-replace-labour-8706561.html
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,216
    Smith gone too!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,426
    England on fire at Trent Bridge.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,216
    Morris Dancer - Indeed, have been trying to do a dissertation in the evenings and on/off at weekends, not easy. Also supposed to be going to see the Battle of Tewkesbury tomorrow, or at least the re-enactment, so will try and find a shady spot
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited July 2013
    HYUFD said:

    Stephanie Flanders "As for Ed Miliband, whose romance with Ms Flanders was much shorter than her affair with Balls, ‘he was a bit of a ladies’ man’. ... ‘He had a nice line in looking as though he needed comforting from girls, and had considerable success with quite a lot of them.’ "

    Oh dear me - mothering sympathy sex. If I'd wanted to kill a bloke's Alpha Male stone dead, it'd be saying this to the press.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,216
    edited July 2013
    "Mrs May has let it be known she is not hoping to oust Mr Cameron: she is simply determined that Boris Johnson should not stroll into high office. ... I am told she finds his shallowness childish and his repeated adultery deplorable. It affronts her both as a child of the vicarage and as a woman. She has no time for Boris’s fnarr-fnarr celebrity politics." - Quentin Letts, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2362251/QUENTIN-LETTS-OK-theres-jazzy-shoes-lifes-thigh-slappers-aint-Despite-Westminsters-asking--Will-woman-Tory-leader.html
  • PBModeratorPBModerator Posts: 667
    HYUFD

    LINKS PLEASE FOR YOUR QUOTES
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,704
    Lovely jubbly.. it was 140/3 when I left for work
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    edited July 2013
    HYUFD said:

    Montana Gov Brian Schwitzer will not run for the State's Senate seat in 2014

    I was reading yesterday (on rollcall) that he was "99.9% likelihood to run"

    http://atr.rollcall.com/schweitzer-expected-to-run-but-when/

    ...so this is a bit of a shock. It's good news (In My View ©OGH) in that Montana should now be a GOP pickup.

    Edit: Link to announcement on TheHill bit.ly/1b9W7iZ
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,884
    Mr. HYUFD, which side are you supporting? Roundheads or cavaliers?
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,557
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good evening, everyone.

    Damned hot weather. I'll be glad when it's colder.

    Well after a scorcher of a day yesterday, its cloudy, damp and considerable colder here in Aberdeenshire today. It was warmer at midnight last night than it was at midday today. Must have known it was the Echt Show today as we kick off the start of the Highland Games/Shows season. :)

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,216
    Morris Dancer - Wrong war unfortunately, it was Yorkists v Lancastrians!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,216
    Geoff M - Maybe, but given the GOP's recent Senate record, nothing is guaranteed
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    tim said:


    Doesn't rule out Dave under a bus does it.

    Are you licensed to drive a bus, tim?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,426
    I don't understand that last dismissal.

    Don't they have an "umpire's call" for where the ball pitches, as they do for the other criteria?
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,884
    Ha, sorry Mr. HYUFD. As you may've gathered modern history isn't my forte!

    Miss Fitalass, I wish it were so cool here.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,216
    edited July 2013
    Plato - Well some sex is better than none at all I suppose, and Ed is hardly Ryan Gosling is he despite Nicky Haslam's recent comments!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,216
    edited July 2013
    Moderator - quotes links added
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited July 2013
    Josie Channor wins Labour selection in Kingswood. She's a black councillor from Barking.
    GMB United backed candidate defeated.

    So running total for Unite's 41 group so far

    10 selected
    14 defeated
    17 to go
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. HYUFD, which side are you supporting? Roundheads or cavaliers?

    Isn't that a question for Ms. Stephanie Flanders?

  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,208
    Andy_JS said:

    I don't understand that last dismissal.

    Don't they have an "umpire's call" for where the ball pitches, as they do for the other criteria?

    Because where the ball pitches is a visible fact - hitting the stumps is a projection of where the ball might go.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,426
    I'm a bit surprised: don't Labour have any candidates from the Bristol area to stand in Kingswood?
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    "She is one of the few Cabinet Tories prepared to block David Cameron and George Osborne, an example being the recent row about minimum-pricing for alcohol.
    The Notting Hill Cameroons and the Lib Dems supported this nanny-state idea on health grounds. Mrs May, in alliance with Michael Gove, thought voters were adult enough to make up their own minds about strong drink."


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2362251/QUENTIN-LETTS-OK-theres-jazzy-shoes-lifes-thigh-slappers-aint-Despite-Westminsters-asking--Will-woman-Tory-leader.html#ixzz2YwhnissT
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,216
    AveryLP - Very good
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,216
    Morris Dancer - Well a good guess, most UK re-enactments are either Civil War or War of the Roses
  • Mick_PorkMick_Pork Posts: 6,530
    HYUFD said:

    "Mrs May has let it be known she is not hoping to oust Mr Cameron: she is simply determined that Boris Johnson should not stroll into high office. ... I am told she finds his shallowness childish and his repeated adultery deplorable. It affronts her both as a child of the vicarage and as a woman. She has no time for Boris’s fnarr-fnarr celebrity politics." - Quentin Letts, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2362251/QUENTIN-LETTS-OK-theres-jazzy-shoes-lifes-thigh-slappers-aint-Despite-Westminsters-asking--Will-woman-Tory-leader.html

    *chortle*

    Crikey! That should please serial labour voters. ;^ )


    Will Boris fire back in a "stupid woman" Hague like manner?
    Perhaps Boris will opine on Mrs May's mysterious (and not imaginary) immigrant cat.

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,216
    Tim - Indeed, she would certainly stand in such circumstances
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    Andy_JS said:

    I'm a bit surprised: don't Labour have any candidates from the Bristol area to stand in Kingswood?

    Somerset North East also ended up selecting a Kensington male Cllr.
    Kingswood was AWS and I guess some of the Bristol women concentrated their efforts on Bristol South (another AWS) selection completed last month. However, even Bristol South didn't seem to have attracted so many contenders.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,557
    "On the assumption that a girl is entitled to keep her past to herself, it was somewhat caddish of Ed Miliband, during an informal interview with a celebrity magazine this week to blurt out confirmation that he once romanced Stephanie Flanders, the BBC’s no-nonsense economics editor.

    Worse, the Labour leader also confirmed the same thing on behalf of that other Ed, the pugnacious Shadow Chancellor Balls.

    ‘We did both date her but there was a long time apart between me and Ed,’ he declared. ‘Stephanie and I don’t have any problems running into each other now.’

    The clip-voiced, blue-stocking broadcaster had no forewarning of Miliband’s revelation and restricted her response to dismissing her relationship with him as having been ‘very brief and a very long time ago’"


    I read that Ed Miliband interview and thought his handling of dating Stefanie Flanders in it rather ungentlemanly. Stefanie Flanders response shows him how he should have handled this line of questioning.

    HYUFD said:

    Stephanie Flanders "As for Ed Miliband, whose romance with Ms Flanders was much shorter than her affair with Balls, ‘he was a bit of a ladies’ man’. ... ‘He had a nice line in looking as though he needed comforting from girls, and had considerable success with quite a lot of them.’" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2362450/Miliband-Balls-BOTH-romanced-Beebs-brainy-beauty-Labour-leaders-gallant-confession-love-life.html

  • RogerRoger Posts: 21,050
    edited July 2013
    @Carlotta

    "She is one of the few Cabinet Tories prepared to block David Cameron and George Osborne"

    But more to the point she identified the Tories of which she was a part correctly as being 'The Nasty Party' which was both courageous and perceptive. Not that a blind man on a galloping horse couldn't see it but often people get too close and miss the obvious.

    I like her. she'd be a good leader-much better than the alternatives
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,426
    @Andrea

    Sometimes it seems like you have to be from London to get selected in these seats which is not a good thing IMO.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    fitalass said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good evening, everyone.

    Damned hot weather. I'll be glad when it's colder.

    Well after a scorcher of a day yesterday, its cloudy, damp and considerable colder here in Aberdeenshire today. It was warmer at midnight last night than it was at midday today. Must have known it was the Echt Show today as we kick off the start of the Highland Games/Shows season. :)

    It was a warm dry sunny day on this side of the Moray Firth though a slight breeze was very welcome.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 37,426
    No_Offence_Alan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I don't understand that last dismissal.

    Don't they have an "umpire's call" for where the ball pitches, as they do for the other criteria?

    Because where the ball pitches is a visible fact - hitting the stumps is a projection of where the ball might go.
    But don't they have an "umpire's call" for where the ball hits the batsman which is the same type of thing as where the ball pitches?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    GeoffM said:

    HYUFD said:

    Montana Gov Brian Schwitzer will not run for the State's Senate seat in 2014

    I was reading yesterday (on rollcall) that he was "99.9% likelihood to run"

    http://atr.rollcall.com/schweitzer-expected-to-run-but-when/

    ...so this is a bit of a shock. It's good news (In My View ©OGH) in that Montana should now be a GOP pickup.

    Edit: Link to announcement on TheHill bit.ly/1b9W7iZ
    Was told yesterday that the Governor of Maryland is preparing a run in 2016. (I know the GOP has accused him of doing so, but he has started approaching the money).

    Don't know the guy, but seems a small home state. Perhaps really a shot at a Cabinet role? Or a NE VP candidate should a non-Hillary become the candidate?
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    HYUFD said:

    Morris Dancer - Well a good guess, most UK re-enactments are either Civil War or War of the Roses

    To be fair, apart from Sedgemoor, Hastings, Stamford Bridge and the various Jacobite incursions there aren't that many other battles on British soil... (I doubt anyone really has interest in the British vs. Saxon fights)
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    I've now got the embargoed details of two of the polls. ComRes is embargoed till 7.30

    Some interesting non-VI findings

  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,968
    Easterross said:

    fitalass said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Good evening, everyone.

    Damned hot weather. I'll be glad when it's colder.

    Well after a scorcher of a day yesterday, its cloudy, damp and considerable colder here in Aberdeenshire today. It was warmer at midnight last night than it was at midday today. Must have known it was the Echt Show today as we kick off the start of the Highland Games/Shows season. :)

    It was a warm dry sunny day on this side of the Moray Firth though a slight breeze was very welcome.
    lovely in Ayrshire , but a bit cooler as we have a breeze, still very nice.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    MikeSmithson said:

    I've now got the embargoed details of two of the polls. ComRes is embargoed till 7.30

    Some interesting non-VI findings

    Given the questions they asked, they may be "interesting", if not surprising:

    "1. Ed Miliband has handled the controversy surrounding trade union influence in the Labour Party well
    2. Trade union members should pay membership fees to the Labour Party only if they individually choose to, rather than automatically be enrolled
    3. If trade union influence in the Labour Party is reduced, working class people will find it harder to have their views represented in Parliament
    4. Parliament is too unrepresentative of the UK population as a whole
    5. I support the idea of ‘open primaries’ to select parliamentary candidates where everyone on the electoral register can take part
    6. If forced to choose, I would prefer that parties receive money from trade unions than from wealthy individual donors
    7. I am more optimistic about the direction of the country than I was a year ago
    8. Andy Murray deserves a knighthood for winning Wimbledon

    http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2013/07/13/poll-alert-33/

    Pity they didn't ask about donation size caps and tax payer funding........
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    @tim "I don't think we need to take your "opinions" too seriously."

    Is that the royal we or do you mean you and Mike?

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    Most of the CR subsidiaries are hopelessly leading and therefore pretty useless
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,947
    edited July 2013
    May be bumper polling night, but ICM is the one I'm waiting for.

    In past years, anytime around now, we'd have had a NOTW/ICM bumper marginals poll. :(
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    CarlottaVance said:


    Pity they didn't ask about donation size caps and tax payer funding........

    I think the former would have been popular and the latter unpopular.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Someone doesn't know what embargo means

    electionista @electionista
    UK - Opinium/Observer poll: CON 27%, LAB 38%, LDEM 6%, UKIP 19% twitter.com/tobyhelm/statu…
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    I wonder why Lefties get excited about May becoming the Con leader..In my opinion..she would shred them..
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,884
    Miss Plato, that Opinium poll is bonkers. The Lib Dem and UKIP numbers in particular look incredible.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I thought it was just a transparent ruse to stir and deflect attention from themselves ;^ )
    richardDodd said:

    I wonder why Lefties get excited about May becoming the Con leader..In my opinion..she would shred them..

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,216
    Charles - Indeed, I have seen a re-enactment of Hastings at Battle, and I think Culloden has one (I have been there although not seen the re-enactment, in fact the last one was in Pennsylvania I gather). I believe the Sealed Knot does Sedgemoor re-enactments, so that could almost be counted as Civil War anyway! Waterloo will be a big do in Belgium though in 2015!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,704
    Plato said:

    Someone doesn't know what embargo means

    electionista @electionista
    UK - Opinium/Observer poll: CON 27%, LAB 38%, LDEM 6%, UKIP 19% twitter.com/tobyhelm/statu…

    So LAB +1, LD -1. MoE so far, although the repeated low of 27 for the Tories must be discouraging.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,704
    Plato said:

    I thought it was just a transparent ruse to stir and deflect attention from themselves ;^ )

    Ooo look, a squirrel!
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Miss Plato, that Opinium poll is bonkers. The Lib Dem and UKIP numbers in particular look incredible.

    I looked at it 3x to check I wasn't seeing things. I know they don't do a balanced sample, but it certainly looks very peculiar.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,208
    Andy_JS said:

    No_Offence_Alan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    I don't understand that last dismissal.

    Don't they have an "umpire's call" for where the ball pitches, as they do for the other criteria?

    Because where the ball pitches is a visible fact - hitting the stumps is a projection of where the ball might go.
    But don't they have an "umpire's call" for where the ball hits the batsman which is the same type of thing as where the ball pitches?
    Not sure - but a batsman is a moving target.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,125
    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Morris Dancer - Well a good guess, most UK re-enactments are either Civil War or War of the Roses

    To be fair, apart from Sedgemoor, Hastings, Stamford Bridge and the various Jacobite incursions there aren't that many other battles on British soil... (I doubt anyone really has interest in the British vs. Saxon fights)
    Bannockburn gets a fair amount of interest, even more so next year I should imagine.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,878
    edited July 2013
    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Morris Dancer - Well a good guess, most UK re-enactments are either Civil War or War of the Roses

    To be fair, apart from Sedgemoor, Hastings, Stamford Bridge and the various Jacobite incursions there aren't that many other battles on British soil... (I doubt anyone really has interest in the British vs. Saxon fights)
    Sedgemoor?
    Worcester?

    Worcester is the only battle on English soil to involve a river crossing during the actual battle!
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    HYUFD said:

    Charles - Indeed, I have seen a re-enactment of Hastings at Battle, and I think Culloden has one (I have been there although not seen the re-enactment, in fact the last one was in Pennsylvania I gather). I believe the Sealed Knot does Sedgemoor re-enactments, so that could almost be counted as Civil War anyway! Waterloo will be a big do in Belgium though in 2015!

    The Battle at Battle is brilliant - I went a couple of years ago and it was closed as full by noon - absolutely heaving and the weather was like today so we all cooked.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited July 2013
    Plato said:

    Someone doesn't know what embargo means

    electionista @electionista
    UK - Opinium/Observer poll: CON 27%, LAB 38%, LD 6%, UKIP 19% twitter.com/tobyhelm/statu…

    Opinium 28 Jun: Con 27% Lab 37% LD 7% UKIP 19% Lab +10

    So that's -1 Lab, +1 LD and no change for CON and UKIP.

    I guess the non-VI findings will have to be interesting!

  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    AveryLP said:

    Plato said:

    Someone doesn't know what embargo means

    electionista @electionista
    UK - Opinium/Observer poll: CON 27%, LAB 38%, LD 6%, UKIP 19% twitter.com/tobyhelm/statu…

    Opinium 28 Jun: Con 27% Lab 37% LD 7% UKIP 19% Lab +10

    So that's -1 Lab, +1 LD and no change for CON and UKIP.

    I guess the non-VI findings will have to be interesting!

    Shouldn't that be Lab +1, LD -1 ?

    In any event, the UKIP numbers are a fiction. It is a party of fruitcakes, racists and jokers !
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Someone has backed NOM as far down as 2.32 today on Betfair. Labour overall majority has correspondingly been laid as far as 2.8.
  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    surbiton said:

    AveryLP said:

    Plato said:

    Someone doesn't know what embargo means

    electionista @electionista
    UK - Opinium/Observer poll: CON 27%, LAB 38%, LD 6%, UKIP 19% twitter.com/tobyhelm/statu…

    Opinium 28 Jun: Con 27% Lab 37% LD 7% UKIP 19% Lab +10

    So that's -1 Lab, +1 LD and no change for CON and UKIP.

    I guess the non-VI findings will have to be interesting!

    Shouldn't that be Lab +1, LD -1 ?

    In any event, the UKIP numbers are a fiction. It is a party of fruitcakes, racists and jokers !
    You are right, Surby.

    On all points.

    I think Opinium must survey on Southend Pier.

  • AveryLPAveryLP Posts: 7,815
    edited July 2013
    antifrank said:

    Someone has backed NOM as far down as 2.32 today on Betfair. Labour overall majority has correspondingly been laid as far as 2.8.

    Well it won't be on the back of the leaked Opinium poll!

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 130,216
    edited July 2013
    Sunil - Worcester was still Civil War, The Third Civil War, the Sealed Knot does a re-enactment of it too

    The Union Divvie - Yes NT Scotland is organising a 3-day extravaganza next June for Bannockburn, the year of the referendum as you say

    Plato - Yes, went many years ago, but it was worth it!
  • richardDoddrichardDodd Posts: 5,472
    In my opinion..I think May would rip the Labour front bench apart, I also think, in my opinion, that Cameron would do the same if he could get rid of the sh*t on his shoe, The Lib Dems.
  • Gerry_ManderGerry_Mander Posts: 621
    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Morris Dancer - Well a good guess, most UK re-enactments are either Civil War or War of the Roses

    To be fair, apart from Sedgemoor, Hastings, Stamford Bridge and the various Jacobite incursions there aren't that many other battles on British soil... (I doubt anyone really has interest in the British vs. Saxon fights)
    There's no interest in British vs Saxon fights. Absolutely, there's too much Saxon violence around nowadays.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    RobD said:

    Plato said:

    I thought it was just a transparent ruse to stir and deflect attention from themselves ;^ )

    Ooo look, a squirrel!
    There are political betting markets on the next Tory leader.
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    richardDodd said:

    In my opinion..I think May would rip the Labour front bench apart, I also think, in my opinion, that Cameron would do the same if he could get rid of the sh*t on his shoe, The Lib Dems.


    Cameron's problem is not the Lib Dems but the sh*t in his shoes the incompetent Osbourne and primarily the lunatic Conservative MPs who are continually voting against him .

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    HYUFD said:

    Charles - Indeed, I have seen a re-enactment of Hastings at Battle, and I think Culloden has one (I have been there although not seen the re-enactment, in fact the last one was in Pennsylvania I gather). I believe the Sealed Knot does Sedgemoor re-enactments, so that could almost be counted as Civil War anyway! Waterloo will be a big do in Belgium though in 2015!

    If you go to the American Museum in Bath there is a great view of a re-enactment (I guess civil war?) of a battle in the valley
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 45,125
    HYUFD said:

    Sunil - Worcester was still Civil War, The Third Civil War, the Sealed Knot does a re-enactment of it too

    The Union Divvie - Yes NT Scotland is organising a 3-day extravaganza next June for Bannockburn, the year of the referendum as you say

    Plato - Yes, went many years ago, but it was worth it!

    Of course the battle with the most enthusiastic re-enacters is the Boyne. Blue polyester football tops aren't quite authentic, though the murderous rage certainly is.

  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Morris Dancer - Well a good guess, most UK re-enactments are either Civil War or War of the Roses

    To be fair, apart from Sedgemoor, Hastings, Stamford Bridge and the various Jacobite incursions there aren't that many other battles on British soil... (I doubt anyone really has interest in the British vs. Saxon fights)
    Sedgemoor?
    Worcester?

    Worcester is the only battle on English soil to involve a river crossing during the actual battle!
    Sedgemoor I had. Wasn't Worcester Civil War?
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    Are there embargoes on the non Yougov polls ? The Yougov numbers will be leaked if they are favourable to the Tories.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549
    I found a few incidents in the test match very disturbing. E.g.:

    1. Broad - he who doesn't walk because he waits for the Umpire's decision. Fine. So why did he walk today ? The only conclusion can be that when he thinks he can get away with a decision in his favour, he doesn't walk.

    2. Clarke - the only possible reason to ask for the review was taht he felt HotSpot will not show up the thin edge. In the process losing all the Aussie referrels.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,704
    surbiton said:

    Are there embargoes on the non Yougov polls ? The Yougov numbers will be leaked if they are favourable to the Tories.

    It's not leaking if it is done by the people who are publishing them, as is done with the daily tacker poll.
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    surbiton said:

    I found a few incidents in the test match very disturbing. E.g.:

    1. Broad - he who doesn't walk because he waits for the Umpire's decision. Fine. So why did he walk today ? The only conclusion can be that when he thinks he can get away with a decision in his favour, he doesn't walk.

    2. Clarke - the only possible reason to ask for the review was taht he felt HotSpot will not show up the thin edge. In the process losing all the Aussie referrels.

    1 ) Broad is clever.

    2 ) Clarke is stupid.

    That's my reading.

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  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Anthony Wells

    ComRes have their monthly online poll for the Independent and Sunday Mirror out tonight. Topline figures are CON 28%(+2), LAB 36%(+1), LDEM 8%(-2), UKIP 18%(-1). The Labour lead of eight points is pretty much the same as we’ve been seeing in YouGov’s daily polls, but ComRes’s online polls still have UKIP up at around 18% (note the difference between ComRes’s telephone and online polls on the UKIP front).

    ComRes also asked whether various politicians were doing well or badly in their current jobs. Unsurprisingly Boris Johnson came out a mile ahead, the only figure with a positive score (+25). David Cameron’s net score was minus 21, Ed Miliband minus 28, George Osborne minus 29, Ed Balls minus 28. Michael Gove was minus 30, Jeremy Hunt minus 26 (though in both cases around half of respondents said don’t know… realistically questions like this aren’t that much use when you get beyond the best known figures). The surprise hit was Theresa May, who enjoys a net score of only minus 4, in a job that’s normally a political minefield.
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    MonikerDiCanio said:

    surbiton said:

    I found a few incidents in the test match very disturbing. E.g.:

    1. Broad - he who doesn't walk because he waits for the Umpire's decision. Fine. So why did he walk today ? The only conclusion can be that when he thinks he can get away with a decision in his favour, he doesn't walk.

    2. Clarke - the only possible reason to ask for the review was taht he felt HotSpot will not show up the thin edge. In the process losing all the Aussie referrels.

    1 ) Broad is clever.

    2 ) Clarke is stupid.

    That's my reading.



    Surbiton.

    I have to congratulate you. You remembered what was being said on TMS . I heard that too.

    Moniker

    Just remember Clarke failed to walk in 2010 and he clearly KNEW he was out..

  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,557
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    Hear a labour MP is in an bit a sticky wicket tomorrow.
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    Harry Cole @MrHarryCole
    Understand a secret recording has landed a red in hot water.

    It appears to be a Labour MP.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,422
    ComRes tables:

    http://www.comres.co.uk/polls/IoS_SM_Political_Poll_July_2013.pdf
  • MonikerDiCanioMonikerDiCanio Posts: 5,792
    edited July 2013
    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    Harry Cole ‏@MrHarryCole 2m
    Hear a labour MP is in an bit a sticky wicket tomorrow.

    I'm sad to hear that , but shouldn't it be " on a sticky wicket " or " in a sticky situation " ?

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    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    Harry Cole ‏@MrHarryCole 2m
    Hear a labour MP is in an bit a sticky wicket tomorrow.

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    John Rentoul on ComRes:

    http://blogs.independent.co.uk/2013/07/13/poll-the-rise-of-theresa-may/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,704
    old_labour said:

    Look! A hedgehog that is too fat to roll into a ball.

    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    Harry Cole ‏@MrHarryCole 2m
    Hear a labour MP is in an bit a sticky wicket tomorrow.

    It is spherical enough without having to roll it into a ball ;)
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    old_labour said:

    Look! A hedgehog that is too fat to roll into a ball.

    fitalass said:

    Twitter
    Harry Cole ‏@MrHarryCole 2m
    Hear a labour MP is in an bit a sticky wicket tomorrow.

  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 35,688
    Charles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Morris Dancer - Well a good guess, most UK re-enactments are either Civil War or War of the Roses

    To be fair, apart from Sedgemoor, Hastings, Stamford Bridge and the various Jacobite incursions there aren't that many other battles on British soil... (I doubt anyone really has interest in the British vs. Saxon fights)
    Sedgemoor?
    Worcester?

    Worcester is the only battle on English soil to involve a river crossing during the actual battle!
    Sedgemoor I had. Wasn't Worcester Civil War?
    Stamford Bridge, 1066?

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 55,878
    edited July 2013
    Charles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Morris Dancer - Well a good guess, most UK re-enactments are either Civil War or War of the Roses

    To be fair, apart from Sedgemoor, Hastings, Stamford Bridge and the various Jacobite incursions there aren't that many other battles on British soil... (I doubt anyone really has interest in the British vs. Saxon fights)
    Sedgemoor?
    Worcester?

    Worcester is the only battle on English soil to involve a river crossing during the actual battle!
    Sedgemoor I had. Wasn't Worcester Civil War?
    @Charles

    Sorry face-slap time - I meant Marston Moor!
    Also Naseby

    "To be fair, apart from Sedgemoor, Hastings, Stamford Bridge and the various Jacobite incursions there aren't that many other battles on British soil..."
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    (I doubt anyone really has interest in the British vs. Saxon fights) could someone please explain exactly what those were? The term "British" didn't exist until James VI and I described himself as king of Great Britain in 1603 and politically it didn't exist until 1707. There was a collection of separate kingdoms in what is now England created after the Romans departed in the early 5th century.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,704
    Easterross said:

    (I doubt anyone really has interest in the British vs. Saxon fights) could someone please explain exactly what those were? The term "British" didn't exist until James VI and I described himself as king of Great Britain in 1603 and politically it didn't exist until 1707. There was a collection of separate kingdoms in what is now England created after the Romans departed in the early 5th century.

    The term British is sometimes used to describe the ancient Britons, at least according to wikipedia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britons_(Celtic_people)
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    OldKingCole said:

    Charles said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Morris Dancer - Well a good guess, most UK re-enactments are either Civil War or War of the Roses

    To be fair, apart from Sedgemoor, Hastings, Stamford Bridge and the various Jacobite incursions there aren't that many other battles on British soil... (I doubt anyone really has interest in the British vs. Saxon fights)
    Sedgemoor?
    Worcester?

    Worcester is the only battle on English soil to involve a river crossing during the actual battle!
    Sedgemoor I had. Wasn't Worcester Civil War?
    Stamford Bridge, 1066?

    Had that one... unless Chelsea have had some fights I'm not aware of...

    I forgot the English vs Welsh and English vs Scot fights though

    Sunil - MM is Civil War as well.
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  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Easterross said:

    (I doubt anyone really has interest in the British vs. Saxon fights) could someone please explain exactly what those were? The term "British" didn't exist until James VI and I described himself as king of Great Britain in 1603 and politically it didn't exist until 1707. There was a collection of separate kingdoms in what is now England created after the Romans departed in the early 5th century.

    I think Romano-British is a generally accepted collective description for the inhabitants who fought the Saxon incursions in the 5th/6th centuries
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