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The Fox News Top Ten debaters for Thursday are -
Trump, Jeb Bush, Walker, Huckabee, Carson, Cruz, Rubio, Paul, Christie, Kasich
runners up -
Perry, Santorum, JIndal, Fiorina, Graham, Pataki, Gilmore0 -
Of course he did. It's amazing how so many veteran politicians can define themselves or allow themselves to be defined as not really being professional politicians, with varying degrees of plausibility after years, even decades, in politics. Having been a backbencher for his entire time gives him more plausibility than someone like Jeb Bush pitching as an outsider to the Washington politics, but I still don't find it particularly convincing, he's as steeped in political culture as any of them, he's just not been climbing the greasy pole - perhaps a point in his favour for many, but on its own not indicative of much.Danny565 said:Jez is more of a Professional Politician than we give him credit for. He quite skilfully dodged giving a straight answer on whether he wanted Blair to be tried for war crimes.
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1) Kendalltyson said:
Pulps- to answer your question earlier- I don't know who I'm voting for. I'm conflicted. I wanted Chuka initially.Pulpstar said:
I was a bit concerned having fairly unelectable (For the GE) Jezza in charge of Labour could be bad for democracy - but those concerns are now gone as he's my biggest winner.bigjohnowls said:
Pulpstar will not be able to bet on the colour of Jezzas tie thats a factDanny565 said:Jezza's beard is getting a bit (more) scruffy.
2) Corbyn
3) Cooper
Kendall can't win, but there's a very vague outside chance she could push either Cooper or Burnham to last.
This is the best tactical ballot right now !0 -
Values of which Labour?Monty said:
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party.Danny565 said:I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Very simple.
I think one thing we are learning is that it is not clear what are Labour party values.
You have more hope in 'not a member of organisations opposed to Labour', but that arguably includes orgs seeking to manipulate and control the party such as Unite. Their strategy is explicit and has been leaked as we know.
The threat comes from skewed recruitment of Union members, Greens etc fellow travellers joining, and orgs with known entryist strategies.
Tories at play are just froth.
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I do feel strongly it's true.kle4 said:
Childish, petty and dishonest, I'll grant you. But I cannot on the last. The party presumably don't have to allow members or the public any vote at all on their leadership, they can be as internally dictatorial or just plain bananas as they want, and they've currently chosen a method open to some (probably small) level of manipulation; democracy as a concept is not hurt because a club as silly rules. You obviously feel strongly that people should not join an organisation just to harm it, and that's a fine, principled position...but there is no wider harm if the rules do permit it, just embarrassment for that club.Monty said:
I'd take issue with that. If you actively oppose the aims and principles of an organisation (which he does based on his Twitter feed) then you have no business joining it just to harm it. There may be edge cases where the organisation is so bad that you feel it is morally justifiable, but mainstream UK political parties don't qualify.kle4 said:
Not at all, well within your rights; I do however feel the 'subverting democracy' label is unfair, as while an election is technically taking place, I don't know that term is applicable with what is merely the internal process of a private club.Monty said:
Agree, but you can't blame me for kicking him out.kle4 said:
Weate.Monty said:
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party.Danny565 said:I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
It's childish, petty, dishonest and democratically bankrupt.
Democracy is a two way street. It behoves all of us to abide by the rules and not try and subvert it for our own means. Those principles don't change depending on the election we are engaging in (or pointedly, staying OUT of).0 -
I actually met him a few times at PB pub meets.Monty said:
Think what you like. I have gone to the effort of finding out his real name and reporting him.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I think you're probably some troll, rather than genuinely anything to do with Hertsmere CLP.Monty said:
Not under the rules he doesn't.Sunil_Prasannan said:If Hertsmere wants to take part in the Labour Leadership vote, then he has every right to!
He doesn't support the aims of the party.
Why you think I wouldn't do that I don't know. I also happen to be the membership secretary so it wasn't hard to cross reference.
It was the right thing to do.
Have you ever met Hertsmere Pubgoer, Monty?
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Not to my knowledge, but it's not impossible.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I actually met him a few times at PB pub meets.Monty said:
Think what you like. I have gone to the effort of finding out his real name and reporting him.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I think you're probably some troll, rather than genuinely anything to do with Hertsmere CLP.Monty said:
Not under the rules he doesn't.Sunil_Prasannan said:If Hertsmere wants to take part in the Labour Leadership vote, then he has every right to!
He doesn't support the aims of the party.
Why you think I wouldn't do that I don't know. I also happen to be the membership secretary so it wasn't hard to cross reference.
It was the right thing to do.
Have you ever met Hertsmere Pubgoer, Monty?0 -
Five days in Barnsley watching snooker for me starting tomorrow.
My only break is when i visit a medium with my daughter tomorrow.
Might ask her if Jezza will win!!0 -
That sounds a bit exotic for Barnsley.bigjohnowls said:Five gays in Barnsley watching snooker for me starting tomorrow.
My only break is when i visit a medium with my daughter tomorrow.
Might ask her if Jezza will win!!0 -
I would agree, a bit pathetic on the part of the £3 short term enlisters. However I cannot get worked up about it. Labour only have themselves to blame. The whole point is to chose between candidates that are acceptable to the PLP. And the transferable vote rubbish means they are voting in the dark. The Parliamentary Party should be allowed to get to a final 2 and then the membership vote.AndyJS said:
Same with me. I couldn't bring myself to do it.Sean_F said:Monty has a point. I was tempted to register, to vote for Corbyn, but I decided it would be dishonest.
If Labour cannot work out how to elect its own leader then how can we expect it to run the country?0 -
Potting the PinkTheScreamingEagles said:
That sounds a bit exotic for Barnsley.bigjohnowls said:Five gays in Barnsley watching snooker for me starting tomorrow.
My only break is when i visit a medium with my daughter tomorrow.
Might ask her if Jezza will win!!0 -
More downing the brownbigjohnowls said:
Potting the PinkTheScreamingEagles said:
That sounds a bit exotic for Barnsley.bigjohnowls said:Five gays in Barnsley watching snooker for me starting tomorrow.
My only break is when i visit a medium with my daughter tomorrow.
Might ask her if Jezza will win!!0 -
Snooker?TheScreamingEagles said:
That sounds a bit exotic for Barnsley.bigjohnowls said:Five gays in Barnsley watching snooker for me starting tomorrow.
My only break is when i visit a medium with my daughter tomorrow.
Might ask her if Jezza will win!!0 -
I will be votingPulpstar said:
1) Kendalltyson said:
Pulps- to answer your question earlier- I don't know who I'm voting for. I'm conflicted. I wanted Chuka initially.Pulpstar said:
I was a bit concerned having fairly unelectable (For the GE) Jezza in charge of Labour could be bad for democracy - but those concerns are now gone as he's my biggest winner.bigjohnowls said:
Pulpstar will not be able to bet on the colour of Jezzas tie thats a factDanny565 said:Jezza's beard is getting a bit (more) scruffy.
2) Corbyn
3) Cooper
Kendall can't win, but there's a very vague outside chance she could push either Cooper or Burnham to last.
This is the best tactical ballot right now !
1) Burnham
2) Kendall
3) Corbyn
4) Cooper
Though Kendall has zero chance of beating Cooper or Burnham0 -
Indeed Pulpy, Diane was my first choice in 2010 too.Pulpstar said:@Monty Hertsmere is a true committed socialist. How else could anyone justify supporting Diane Abbot's bid for the London mayoralty ?!
But @Monty is free to try and play some Soviet era Political Commissaire and try and weed me out for having insufficient revolutionary thoughts or something I suppose.
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I particularly like it when they try to get their leg over and play a deep screwTheScreamingEagles said:
More downing the brownbigjohnowls said:
Potting the PinkTheScreamingEagles said:
That sounds a bit exotic for Barnsley.bigjohnowls said:Five gays in Barnsley watching snooker for me starting tomorrow.
My only break is when i visit a medium with my daughter tomorrow.
Might ask her if Jezza will win!!0 -
Have just finished off some salt and vinegar crisps (but only because they were at the bottom of the packet)Sunil_Prasannan said:
I hate salt & vinegar crispskle4 said:If I had a vote in the Labour leadership campaign, I'd have to vote for Cooper, for the most sensible of reasons - her choice of biscuit. Though I have to say Nick Clegg's answer was spot on with my own, which is presumably why I gave him so much benefit of the doubt.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11775359/How-every-politician-has-answered-Mumsnets-favourite-biscuit-question-since-2009.html
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Screwing the Blue?TheScreamingEagles said:
More downing the brownbigjohnowls said:
Potting the PinkTheScreamingEagles said:
That sounds a bit exotic for Barnsley.bigjohnowls said:Five gays in Barnsley watching snooker for me starting tomorrow.
My only break is when i visit a medium with my daughter tomorrow.
Might ask her if Jezza will win!!0 -
RacistTheScreamingEagles said:
More downing the brownbigjohnowls said:
Potting the PinkTheScreamingEagles said:
That sounds a bit exotic for Barnsley.bigjohnowls said:Five gays in Barnsley watching snooker for me starting tomorrow.
My only break is when i visit a medium with my daughter tomorrow.
Might ask her if Jezza will win!!0 -
along the Hershey Highway?TheScreamingEagles said:
More downing the brownbigjohnowls said:
Potting the PinkTheScreamingEagles said:
That sounds a bit exotic for Barnsley.bigjohnowls said:Five gays in Barnsley watching snooker for me starting tomorrow.
My only break is when i visit a medium with my daughter tomorrow.
Might ask her if Jezza will win!!0 -
There are no Tories in Barnsley.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Screwing the Blue?TheScreamingEagles said:
More downing the brownbigjohnowls said:
Potting the PinkTheScreamingEagles said:
That sounds a bit exotic for Barnsley.bigjohnowls said:Five gays in Barnsley watching snooker for me starting tomorrow.
My only break is when i visit a medium with my daughter tomorrow.
Might ask her if Jezza will win!!
A few years ago, my train from Leeds to Sheffield broke down in Barnsley, I had to spend an hour in Barnsley late on a Friday night, waiting for a lift.
I haven't been that scared since I nearly got mugged by some crackheads.
Honestly, Barnsley is such a dump, it could be twinned with anywhere in Essex.
This guy had it right
Barnsley's homesick striker, Macedonian Georgi Hristov, says he is finding it hard to get a girlfriend in England because local girls are not pretty and drink too much.
Hristov, 21, who joined Barnsley from Partizan Belgrade for £1.5m last summer, is reported to have told a Belgrade sports magazine: "I'm finding it difficult to find a girlfriend in Barnsley, or indeed settle into a decent way of life.
"The local girls are far uglier than the ones back in Belgrade or Skopje, the capital of Macedonia, where I come from.
"Our women are much prettier. Besides, they don't drink as much beer as the Barnsley girls which is something I don't like at all."
http://bbc.in/1UlM9PN0 -
I told you, I only joined the Ku Klux Klan to find out what detergent they used to get their sheets so white.bigjohnowls said:
RacistTheScreamingEagles said:
More downing the brownbigjohnowls said:
Potting the PinkTheScreamingEagles said:
That sounds a bit exotic for Barnsley.bigjohnowls said:Five gays in Barnsley watching snooker for me starting tomorrow.
My only break is when i visit a medium with my daughter tomorrow.
Might ask her if Jezza will win!!0 -
Baize watch for me goodnight0
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Isn't Barnsley supposed to be in Yorkshire?TheScreamingEagles said:
There are no Tories in Barnsley.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Screwing the Blue?TheScreamingEagles said:
More downing the brownbigjohnowls said:
Potting the PinkTheScreamingEagles said:
That sounds a bit exotic for Barnsley.bigjohnowls said:Five gays in Barnsley watching snooker for me starting tomorrow.
My only break is when i visit a medium with my daughter tomorrow.
Might ask her if Jezza will win!!
A few years ago, my train from Leeds to Sheffield broke down in Barnsley, I had to spend an hour in Barnsley late on a Friday night, waiting for a lift.
I haven't been that scared since I nearly got mugged by some crackheads.
Honestly, Barnsley is such a dump, it could be twinned with anywhere in Essex.
This guy had it right
Barnsley's homesick striker, Macedonian Georgi Hristov, says he is finding it hard to get a girlfriend in England because local girls are not pretty and drink too much.
Hristov, 21, who joined Barnsley from Partizan Belgrade for £1.5m last summer, is reported to have told a Belgrade sports magazine: "I'm finding it difficult to find a girlfriend in Barnsley, or indeed settle into a decent way of life.
"The local girls are far uglier than the ones back in Belgrade or Skopje, the capital of Macedonia, where I come from.
"Our women are much prettier. Besides, they don't drink as much beer as the Barnsley girls which is something I don't like at all."
http://bbc.in/1UlM9PN
(NB. I have visited only two stations in Yorkshire: Sheffield and Leeds - also been on the Sheffield tram as far as the University station)0 -
Very goodTheScreamingEagles said:
I told you, I only joined the Ku Klux Klan to find out what detergent they used to get their sheets so white.bigjohnowls said:
RacistTheScreamingEagles said:
More downing the brownbigjohnowls said:
Potting the PinkTheScreamingEagles said:
That sounds a bit exotic for Barnsley.bigjohnowls said:Five gays in Barnsley watching snooker for me starting tomorrow.
My only break is when i visit a medium with my daughter tomorrow.
Might ask her if Jezza will win!!0 -
- and to find how they cleaned their hands after weekly cross burning.TheScreamingEagles said:
I told you, I only joined the Ku Klux Klan to find out what detergent they used to get their sheets so white.bigjohnowls said:
RacistTheScreamingEagles said:
More downing the brownbigjohnowls said:
Potting the PinkTheScreamingEagles said:
That sounds a bit exotic for Barnsley.bigjohnowls said:Five gays in Barnsley watching snooker for me starting tomorrow.
My only break is when i visit a medium with my daughter tomorrow.
Might ask her if Jezza will win!!
They always used new sheets0 -
Fox announce their 10 for Thursday's debate
Donald Trump
Jeb Bush
Scott Walker
Ben Carson
Mike Huckabee
Ted Cruz
Marco Rubio
Rand Paul
Chris Christie
John Kasich0 -
Good for you. Next time you moan about postal vote fraud I'll remember your democratic morals.MP_SE said:
My entire household will be voting and some relatives are in on the actionMonty said:
I wouldn't dream of trying to vote in the internal election of a party I don't support.Sean_F said:
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
I find it genuinely disgusting.
I'm a believer in democracy before anything else and any action that tries to subvert democracy is wrong.
They are all going to be voting for the loony left candidate Corbyn.0 -
Quiet! All of you!
The Breakfast Club is about to start on Film 4!0 -
Pacer landSunil_Prasannan said:
Isn't Barnsley supposed to be in Yorkshire?TheScreamingEagles said:
There are no Tories in Barnsley.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Screwing the Blue?TheScreamingEagles said:
More downing the brownbigjohnowls said:
Potting the PinkTheScreamingEagles said:
That sounds a bit exotic for Barnsley.bigjohnowls said:Five gays in Barnsley watching snooker for me starting tomorrow.
My only break is when i visit a medium with my daughter tomorrow.
Might ask her if Jezza will win!!
A few years ago, my train from Leeds to Sheffield broke down in Barnsley, I had to spend an hour in Barnsley late on a Friday night, waiting for a lift.
I haven't been that scared since I nearly got mugged by some crackheads.
Honestly, Barnsley is such a dump, it could be twinned with anywhere in Essex.
This guy had it right
Barnsley's homesick striker, Macedonian Georgi Hristov, says he is finding it hard to get a girlfriend in England because local girls are not pretty and drink too much.
Hristov, 21, who joined Barnsley from Partizan Belgrade for £1.5m last summer, is reported to have told a Belgrade sports magazine: "I'm finding it difficult to find a girlfriend in Barnsley, or indeed settle into a decent way of life.
"The local girls are far uglier than the ones back in Belgrade or Skopje, the capital of Macedonia, where I come from.
"Our women are much prettier. Besides, they don't drink as much beer as the Barnsley girls which is something I don't like at all."
http://bbc.in/1UlM9PN
(NB. I have visited only two stations in Yorkshire: Sheffield and Leeds - also been on the Sheffield tram as far as the University station)
The class 141s really are knackered.
Quicker walking from Sheffield0 -
Interesting lack of self awareness because on the evidence you're actually a bell-end.Monty said:
I'm nice normally. But I don't like it when people fuck with elections. On any side.tyson said:Monty- if there's a hosepipe ban, I wouldn't like to be your neighbour when I do a spot of late night watering.
Monty said:
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party.Danny565 said:I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Very simple.
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Yes, but thats just like saying the Calais fence should be higher rather than pointing out climbing it anyway is illegal. Just because the Lion is in Africa does not mean you have to go and shoot it.HYUFD said:
Well if Labour cared so much about that they should have had a 6 month minimum membership rule before being able to receive a ballotMonty said:
I'd take issue with that. If you actively oppose the aims and principles of an organisation (which he does based on his Twitter feed) then you have no business joining it just to harm it. There may be edge cases where the organisation is so bad that you feel it is morally justifiable, but mainstream UK political parties don't qualify.kle4 said:
Not at all, well within your rights; I do however feel the 'subverting democracy' label is unfair, as while an election is technically taking place, I don't know that term is applicable with what is merely the internal process of a private club.Monty said:
Agree, but you can't blame me for kicking him out.kle4 said:
Well sure, but it's incumbent upon the members of a club to check the credentials of those who wish to join the club, and as you say expel those that don't meet the requirements.Monty said:
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party.Danny565 said:I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
snip .
It's childish, petty, dishonest and democratically bankrupt.
I felt good sending off the email to the party.
I can't stop him registering under a false name, but on the upside at least I'm not him, reduced to that sort of juvenile nonsense.
Like I say I cannot get worked up over it (Labour's rules are overwhelmingly stupid) but its wrong and poor show defending it. By my reckoning its doubly wrong where you are actually a member of another party and triply wrong if that party is the sanctimonious LD party.0 -
You're just annoyed you've been busted.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Indeed Pulpy, Diane was my first choice in 2010 too.Pulpstar said:@Monty Hertsmere is a true committed socialist. How else could anyone justify supporting Diane Abbot's bid for the London mayoralty ?!
But @Monty is free to try and play some Soviet era Political Commissaire and try and weed me out for having insufficient revolutionary thoughts or something I suppose.
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Still the same as 2 hours ago then. Have you been on a PacerHYUFD said:Fox announce their 10 for Thursday's debate
Donald Trump
Jeb Bush
Scott Walker
Ben Carson
Mike Huckabee
Ted Cruz
Marco Rubio
Rand Paul
Chris Christie
John Kasich0 -
You equate messing with a private club to violating electoral law?Monty said:
Good for you. Next time you moan about postal vote fraud I'll remember your democratic morals.MP_SE said:
My entire household will be voting and some relatives are in on the actionMonty said:
I wouldn't dream of trying to vote in the internal election of a party I don't support.Sean_F said:
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
I find it genuinely disgusting.
I'm a believer in democracy before anything else and any action that tries to subvert democracy is wrong.
They are all going to be voting for the loony left candidate Corbyn.0 -
Really? You'd be fine with Labour members masquerading as Tories to vote for the worst candidate?GeoffM said:
Interesting lack of self awareness because on the evidence you're actually a bell-end.Monty said:
I'm nice normally. But I don't like it when people fuck with elections. On any side.tyson said:Monty- if there's a hosepipe ban, I wouldn't like to be your neighbour when I do a spot of late night watering.
Monty said:
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party.Danny565 said:I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
Very simple.
Of course you would.
I think I've been pretty restrained. I've done what I think is the right thing by trying to keep the election as honest as possible.
What's wrong with that?
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I saw a few at Sheffield when I went in 2012, but didn't board any.bigjohnowls said:
Still the same as 2 hours ago then. Have you been on a PacerHYUFD said:Fox announce their 10 for Thursday's debate
Donald Trump
Jeb Bush
Scott Walker
Ben Carson
Mike Huckabee
Ted Cruz
Marco Rubio
Rand Paul
Chris Christie
John Kasich0 -
Neither are honourable. I think they are both part of a slippery slope when dealing with democracy. Obviously fraud is a different league, but if you condone entryism your hands are not clean.kle4 said:
You equate messing with a private club to violating electoral law?Monty said:
Good for you. Next time you moan about postal vote fraud I'll remember your democratic morals.MP_SE said:
My entire household will be voting and some relatives are in on the actionMonty said:
I wouldn't dream of trying to vote in the internal election of a party I don't support.Sean_F said:
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
I find it genuinely disgusting.
I'm a believer in democracy before anything else and any action that tries to subvert democracy is wrong.
They are all going to be voting for the loony left candidate Corbyn.0 -
Hardly, you've not cost me a penny.Monty said:
You're just annoyed you've been busted.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Indeed Pulpy, Diane was my first choice in 2010 too.Pulpstar said:@Monty Hertsmere is a true committed socialist. How else could anyone justify supporting Diane Abbot's bid for the London mayoralty ?!
But @Monty is free to try and play some Soviet era Political Commissaire and try and weed me out for having insufficient revolutionary thoughts or something I suppose.
If you were really smart you wouldn't have told me until you'd got the first payment, but Labour never do seem to understand financial stuff.
But thanks for the stuff through the post anyway.
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Really now you are just embarrassing yourself.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Hardly, you've not cost me a penny.Monty said:
You're just annoyed you've been busted.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Indeed Pulpy, Diane was my first choice in 2010 too.Pulpstar said:@Monty Hertsmere is a true committed socialist. How else could anyone justify supporting Diane Abbot's bid for the London mayoralty ?!
But @Monty is free to try and play some Soviet era Political Commissaire and try and weed me out for having insufficient revolutionary thoughts or something I suppose.
If you were really smart you wouldn't have told me until you'd got the first payment, but Labour never do seem to understand financial stuff.
But thanks for the stuff through the post anyway.0 -
I'm not a member of any partyflightpath01 said:
Yes, but thats just like saying the Calais fence should be higher rather than pointing out climbing it anyway is illegal. Just because the Lion is in Africa does not mean you have to go and shoot it.HYUFD said:
Well if Labour cared so much about that they should have had a 6 month minimum membership rule before being able to receive a ballotMonty said:
I'd take issue with that. If you actively oppose the aims and principles of an organisation (which he does based on his Twitter feed) then you have no business joining it just to harm it. There may be edge cases where the organisation is so bad that you feel it is morally justifiable, but mainstream UK political parties don't qualify.kle4 said:
Not at all, well within your rights; I do however feel the 'subverting democracy' label is unfair, as while an election is technically taking place, I don't know that term is applicable with what is merely the internal process of a private club.Monty said:
Agree, but you can't blame me for kicking him out.kle4 said:
Well sure, but it's incumbent upon the members of a club to check the credentials of those who wish to join the club, and as you say expel those that don't meet the requirements.Monty said:
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party.Danny565 said:I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
snip .
It's childish, petty, dishonest and democratically bankrupt.
I felt good sending off the email to the party.
I can't stop him registering under a false name, but on the upside at least I'm not him, reduced to that sort of juvenile nonsense.
Like I say I cannot get worked up over it (Labour's rules are overwhelmingly stupid) but its wrong and poor show defending it. By my reckoning its doubly wrong where you are actually a member of another party and triply wrong if that party is the sanctimonious LD party.
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Yeah, not since this evening anyway.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
I'm not a member of any partyflightpath01 said:
Yes, but thats just like saying the Calais fence should be higher rather than pointing out climbing it anyway is illegal. Just because the Lion is in Africa does not mean you have to go and shoot it.HYUFD said:
Well if Labour cared so much about that they should have had a 6 month minimum membership rule before being able to receive a ballotMonty said:
I'd take issue with that. If you actively oppose the aims and principles of an organisation (which he does based on his Twitter feed) then you have no business joining it just to harm it. There may be edge cases where the organisation is so bad that you feel it is morally justifiable, but mainstream UK political parties don't qualify.kle4 said:
Not at all, well within your rights; I do however feel the 'subverting democracy' label is unfair, as while an election is technically taking place, I don't know that term is applicable with what is merely the internal process of a private club.Monty said:
Agree, but you can't blame me for kicking him out.kle4 said:
Well sure, but it's incumbent upon the members of a club to check the credentials of those who wish to join the club, and as you say expel those that don't meet the requirements.Monty said:
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party.Danny565 said:I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
snip .
It's childish, petty, dishonest and democratically bankrupt.
I felt good sending off the email to the party.
I can't stop him registering under a false name, but on the upside at least I'm not him, reduced to that sort of juvenile nonsense.
Like I say I cannot get worked up over it (Labour's rules are overwhelmingly stupid) but its wrong and poor show defending it. By my reckoning its doubly wrong where you are actually a member of another party and triply wrong if that party is the sanctimonious LD party. 0 -
You're the one that's rattled old bean. Good for you on your righteous high horse.Monty said:
Really now you are just embarrassing yourself.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Hardly, you've not cost me a penny.Monty said:
You're just annoyed you've been busted.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Indeed Pulpy, Diane was my first choice in 2010 too.Pulpstar said:@Monty Hertsmere is a true committed socialist. How else could anyone justify supporting Diane Abbot's bid for the London mayoralty ?!
But @Monty is free to try and play some Soviet era Political Commissaire and try and weed me out for having insufficient revolutionary thoughts or something I suppose.
If you were really smart you wouldn't have told me until you'd got the first payment, but Labour never do seem to understand financial stuff.
But thanks for the stuff through the post anyway.
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LOL. I can see you aren't bothered.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
You're the one that's rattled old bean. Good for you on your righteous high horse.Monty said:
Really now you are just embarrassing yourself.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Hardly, you've not cost me a penny.Monty said:
You're just annoyed you've been busted.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Indeed Pulpy, Diane was my first choice in 2010 too.Pulpstar said:@Monty Hertsmere is a true committed socialist. How else could anyone justify supporting Diane Abbot's bid for the London mayoralty ?!
But @Monty is free to try and play some Soviet era Political Commissaire and try and weed me out for having insufficient revolutionary thoughts or something I suppose.
If you were really smart you wouldn't have told me until you'd got the first payment, but Labour never do seem to understand financial stuff.
But thanks for the stuff through the post anyway.0 -
Hardly comparable. No different to getting all your mates to vote for you in the JCR election and buying them a beer afterwards.Monty said:
Good for you. Next time you moan about postal vote fraud I'll remember your democratic morals.MP_SE said:
My entire household will be voting and some relatives are in on the actionMonty said:
I wouldn't dream of trying to vote in the internal election of a party I don't support.Sean_F said:
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
I find it genuinely disgusting.
I'm a believer in democracy before anything else and any action that tries to subvert democracy is wrong.
They are all going to be voting for the loony left candidate Corbyn.0 -
If you're late to the party, get backing Jezza at 5-2 on Betfair 0
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I've seen the first 10 minutes of this film about 20 times but never the whole thing!Sunil_Prasannan said:Quiet! All of you!
The Breakfast Club is about to start on Film 4!0 -
Fine. My principles are solid. Entryism is wrong, pure and simple.MP_SE said:
Hardly comparable. No different to getting all your mates to vote for you in the JCR election and buying them a beer afterwards.Monty said:
Good for you. Next time you moan about postal vote fraud I'll remember your democratic morals.MP_SE said:
My entire household will be voting and some relatives are in on the actionMonty said:
I wouldn't dream of trying to vote in the internal election of a party I don't support.Sean_F said:
Maybe he's been converted to Labour by Jeremy Corbyn.Monty said:
He's anti Labour. He won't be voting. It's done.Sean_F said:
Who says he's a Tory?Monty said:
You won't be voting.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Straw and Hoon as well please.MarqueeMark said:
Hell yeah, I'd vote for him!Scott_P said:@JamesClayton5: Corbyn tells #newsnight's @maitlis that Blair could be tried for war crimes. This could get messy...
(Could he add in Al "Sexed Up Dossier" Campbell too please? Pretty please?)
My membership card arrived today.
With this news Jezza could be rocketing to my first choice.
Jez we can!
I've reported your name to the Labour Party in my role as Hertsmere Membership Secretary.
Tories should NOT be voting in Labour elections. I feel very strongly about this.
You should be ashamed of yourself. It's a perversion of democracy.
Monty
I find it genuinely disgusting.
I'm a believer in democracy before anything else and any action that tries to subvert democracy is wrong.
They are all going to be voting for the loony left candidate Corbyn.
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Fox News debate inclusion based on avg of 5 most recent national polls conducted by Bloomberg, CBS News, Fox News, Monmouth U and Quinnipiac U0
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"Eat my shorts!"AndyJS said:
I've seen the first 10 minutes of this film about 20 times but never the whole thing!Sunil_Prasannan said:Quiet! All of you!
The Breakfast Club is about to start on Film 4! 0 -
I'm just having a bit of fun while enjoying a few beers.Monty said:
LOL. I can see you aren't bothered.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
You're the one that's rattled old bean. Good for you on your righteous high horse.Monty said:
Really now you are just embarrassing yourself.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Hardly, you've not cost me a penny.Monty said:
You're just annoyed you've been busted.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Indeed Pulpy, Diane was my first choice in 2010 too.Pulpstar said:@Monty Hertsmere is a true committed socialist. How else could anyone justify supporting Diane Abbot's bid for the London mayoralty ?!
But @Monty is free to try and play some Soviet era Political Commissaire and try and weed me out for having insufficient revolutionary thoughts or something I suppose.
If you were really smart you wouldn't have told me until you'd got the first payment, but Labour never do seem to understand financial stuff.
But thanks for the stuff through the post anyway.
You're the one pronouncing about 'subverting democracy' etc.
If I do or don't get a vote it will make the grande difference of sod all to me.
You're the one who's 'feeling good' about googling people, reading their twitter or PB feeds and sending emails, blah, blah, blah.
Who's bothered? heh.
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Isn't that what some Labour MPs did putting JC on the paper?Monty said:
I doubt they'll do it this way again. Still out of order to try and disrupt a democratic process for your own ends though.AndyJS said:It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
Just because it is easy to try and break something, that doesn't make it ok.0 -
Obviously not you.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
I'm just having a bit of fun while enjoying a few beers.Monty said:
LOL. I can see you aren't bothered.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
You're the one that's rattled old bean. Good for you on your righteous high horse.Monty said:
Really now you are just embarrassing yourself.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Hardly, you've not cost me a penny.Monty said:
You're just annoyed you've been busted.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Indeed Pulpy, Diane was my first choice in 2010 too.Pulpstar said:@Monty Hertsmere is a true committed socialist. How else could anyone justify supporting Diane Abbot's bid for the London mayoralty ?!
But @Monty is free to try and play some Soviet era Political Commissaire and try and weed me out for having insufficient revolutionary thoughts or something I suppose.
If you were really smart you wouldn't have told me until you'd got the first payment, but Labour never do seem to understand financial stuff.
But thanks for the stuff through the post anyway.
You're the one pronouncing about 'subverting democracy' etc.
If I do or don't get a vote it will make the grande difference of sod all to me.
You're the one who's 'feeling good' about googling people, reading their twitter or PB feeds and sending emails, blah, blah, blah.
Who's bothered? heh. 0 -
It's disappointing Fiorina didn't make the cut. There should have been a quota of at least one woman.HYUFD said:Fox announce their 10 for Thursday's debate
Donald Trump
Jeb Bush
Scott Walker
Ben Carson
Mike Huckabee
Ted Cruz
Marco Rubio
Rand Paul
Chris Christie
John Kasich 0 -
Arguably.ReggieCide said:
Isn't that what some Labour MPs did putting JC on the paper?Monty said:
I doubt they'll do it this way again. Still out of order to try and disrupt a democratic process for your own ends though.AndyJS said:It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
Just because it is easy to try and break something, that doesn't make it ok.
I expect him to win FWIW.
If members are foolish enough to vote for him so be it.
I just take issue with non-members doing so for nefarious reasons.
That's not an unreasonable position.0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n3576u5c6MHertsmere_Pubgoer said:
I'm just having a bit of fun while enjoying a few beers.Monty said:
LOL. I can see you aren't bothered.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
You're the one that's rattled old bean. Good for you on your righteous high horse.Monty said:
Really now you are just embarrassing yourself.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Hardly, you've not cost me a penny.Monty said:
You're just annoyed you've been busted.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Indeed Pulpy, Diane was my first choice in 2010 too.Pulpstar said:@Monty Hertsmere is a true committed socialist. How else could anyone justify supporting Diane Abbot's bid for the London mayoralty ?!
But @Monty is free to try and play some Soviet era Political Commissaire and try and weed me out for having insufficient revolutionary thoughts or something I suppose.
If you were really smart you wouldn't have told me until you'd got the first payment, but Labour never do seem to understand financial stuff.
But thanks for the stuff through the post anyway.
You're the one pronouncing about 'subverting democracy' etc.
If I do or don't get a vote it will make the grande difference of sod all to me.
You're the one who's 'feeling good' about googling people, reading their twitter or PB feeds and sending emails, blah, blah, blah.
Who's bothered? heh.0 -
No quotas - just poll numbers.williamglenn said:
It's disappointing Fiorina didn't make the cut. There should have been a quota of at least one woman.HYUFD said:Fox announce their 10 for Thursday's debate
Donald Trump
Jeb Bush
Scott Walker
Ben Carson
Mike Huckabee
Ted Cruz
Marco Rubio
Rand Paul
Chris Christie
John Kasich
She will make the early debate.0 -
Channel 4 are showing a programme about an establishment in Sheffield known as City Sauna.0
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Why is it wrong, Labour wanted more voters to participate, it has just decided it does not like those who decided to voteflightpath01 said:
Yes, but thats just like saying the Calais fence should be higher rather than pointing out climbing it anyway is illegal. Just because the Lion is in Africa does not mean you have to go and shoot it.HYUFD said:
Well if Labour cared so much about that they should have had a 6 month minimum membership rule before being able to receive a ballotMonty said:
I'd take issue with that. If you actively oppose the aims and principles of an organisation (which he does based on his Twitter feed) then you have no business joining it just to harm it. There may be edge cases where the organisation is so bad that you feel it is morally justifiable, but mainstream UK political parties don't qualify.kle4 said:
Not at all, well within your rights; I do however feel the 'subverting democracy' label is unfair, as while an election is technically taking place, I don't know that term is applicable with what is merely the internal process of a private club.Monty said:
Agree, but you can't blame me for kicking him out.kle4 said:
Well sure, but it's incumbent upon the members of a club to check the credentials of those who wish to join the club, and as you say expel those that don't meet the requirements.Monty said:
To vote, you have to agree to the aims and values of the Labour Party.Danny565 said:I still don't understand the problem with having non-Labour supporters voting in the leadership election. The whole point of the system (which, again, was pushed for primarily by Blairites) was precisely to "broaden the debate out beyond the party".
Sure, you'll get a few idiots who purposely vote for who they think would be an election-loser. But what's the problem with people like Mike Smithson having a vote (who has said he wants a strong opposition for the good of the country so will be voting for who he thinks is best)?
If you don't support the party and it aims and you join then it's under false pretences so you should be barred from voting.
snip .
It's childish, petty, dishonest and democratically bankrupt.
I felt good sending off the email to the party.
I can't stop him registering under a false name, but on the upside at least I'm not him, reduced to that sort of juvenile nonsense.
Like I say I cannot get worked up over it (Labour's rules are overwhelmingly stupid) but its wrong and poor show defending it. By my reckoning its doubly wrong where you are actually a member of another party and triply wrong if that party is the sanctimonious LD party.0 -
Well she should have polled betterwilliamglenn said:
It's disappointing Fiorina didn't make the cut. There should have been a quota of at least one woman.HYUFD said:Fox announce their 10 for Thursday's debate
Donald Trump
Jeb Bush
Scott Walker
Ben Carson
Mike Huckabee
Ted Cruz
Marco Rubio
Rand Paul
Chris Christie
John Kasich0 -
Ah, so the truth is out.Monty said:
Arguably.ReggieCide said:
Isn't that what some Labour MPs did putting JC on the paper?Monty said:
I doubt they'll do it this way again. Still out of order to try and disrupt a democratic process for your own ends though.AndyJS said:It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
Just because it is easy to try and break something, that doesn't make it ok.
I expect him to win FWIW.
If members are foolish enough to vote for him so be it.
I just take issue with non-members doing so for nefarious reasons.
That's not an unreasonable position.
It's that I may vote for someone that YOU don't approve of.
Labour's love of democracy shines through.
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Yeah, that's it. *gets the popcorn*Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Ah, so the truth is out.Monty said:
Arguably.ReggieCide said:
Isn't that what some Labour MPs did putting JC on the paper?Monty said:
I doubt they'll do it this way again. Still out of order to try and disrupt a democratic process for your own ends though.AndyJS said:It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
Just because it is easy to try and break something, that doesn't make it ok.
I expect him to win FWIW.
If members are foolish enough to vote for him so be it.
I just take issue with non-members doing so for nefarious reasons.
That's not an unreasonable position.
It's that I may vote for someone that YOU don't approve of.
Labour's love of democracy shines through.0 -
Yes, the popcorn will taste extra sweet when we elect Jezza the GreatMonty said:
Yeah, that's it. *gets the popcorn*Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Ah, so the truth is out.Monty said:
Arguably.ReggieCide said:
Isn't that what some Labour MPs did putting JC on the paper?Monty said:
I doubt they'll do it this way again. Still out of order to try and disrupt a democratic process for your own ends though.AndyJS said:It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
Just because it is easy to try and break something, that doesn't make it ok.
I expect him to win FWIW.
If members are foolish enough to vote for him so be it.
I just take issue with non-members doing so for nefarious reasons.
That's not an unreasonable position.
It's that I may vote for someone that YOU don't approve of.
Labour's love of democracy shines through.
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If I could vote, I wouldn't vote for Trump because I've just been told he's an old fart. Would that anyway invalidate my vote because it's not a valid reason for choosing who to vote for?0
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I'm fine with whoever is elected by legitimate members.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Yes, the popcorn will taste extra sweet when we elect Jezza the GreatMonty said:
Yeah, that's it. *gets the popcorn*Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Ah, so the truth is out.Monty said:
Arguably.ReggieCide said:
Isn't that what some Labour MPs did putting JC on the paper?Monty said:
I doubt they'll do it this way again. Still out of order to try and disrupt a democratic process for your own ends though.AndyJS said:It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
Just because it is easy to try and break something, that doesn't make it ok.
I expect him to win FWIW.
If members are foolish enough to vote for him so be it.
I just take issue with non-members doing so for nefarious reasons.
That's not an unreasonable position.
It's that I may vote for someone that YOU don't approve of.
Labour's love of democracy shines through.
I find it sad that you think it is clever to taint an election.
It's nothing to be proud of. I feel sorry for you that you are reduced to doing it.
Take a look at yourself man.
The Labour Party just lost the election badly and you feel the need to pretend you are a supporter in order to try and twist the knife for your own entertainment. And you see nothing wrong with the dishonest way you are going about it.
And you've been found out.
No wonder you're embarrassed. Bloody hell, I would be.0 -
Reminds me of arguments the UK debates were a bad idea on the grounds such 'debates' are not good means for people to decide who to vote for, being nothing but cliches and pandering and such things, even though people decide to vote for all sorts of reasons, many of which may be quite stupid in the eyes of others. If anyone has ever been swayed by a billboard, that seems a poor method of deciding, but each to their own.ReggieCide said:If I could vote, I wouldn't vote for Trump because I've just been told he's an old fart. Would that anyway invalidate my vote because it's not a valid reason for choosing who to vote for?
Personally, if I have no real concern about the outcome, or profit riding on it, I'd vote for what would be the more amusing result.
Good night all.0 -
My, you can almost hear the stamping of feet. Labour has turned its election into a circus so can hardly complain about the level of debate. Bring on the clowns!Monty said:
I'm fine with whoever is elected by legitimate members.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Yes, the popcorn will taste extra sweet when we elect Jezza the GreatMonty said:
Yeah, that's it. *gets the popcorn*Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Ah, so the truth is out.Monty said:
Arguably.ReggieCide said:
Isn't that what some Labour MPs did putting JC on the paper?Monty said:
I doubt they'll do it this way again. Still out of order to try and disrupt a democratic process for your own ends though.AndyJS said:It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
Just because it is easy to try and break something, that doesn't make it ok.
I expect him to win FWIW.
If members are foolish enough to vote for him so be it.
I just take issue with non-members doing so for nefarious reasons.
That's not an unreasonable position.
It's that I may vote for someone that YOU don't approve of.
Labour's love of democracy shines through.
I find it sad that you think it is clever to taint an election.
It's nothing to be proud of. I feel sorry for you that you are reduced to doing it.
Take a look at yourself man.
The Labour Party just lost the election badly and you feel the need to pretend you are a supporter in order to try and twist the knife for your own entertainment. And you see nothing wrong with the dishonest way you are going about it.
And you've been found out.
No wonder you're embarrassed. Bloody hell, I would be.0 -
I'll repeat what I said below, I don't like anyone fucking with elections. On any side.ReggieCide said:
My, you can almost hear the stamping of feet. Labour has turned its election into a circus so can hardly complain about the level of debate. Bring on the clowns!Monty said:
I'm fine with whoever is elected by legitimate members.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Yes, the popcorn will taste extra sweet when we elect Jezza the GreatMonty said:
Yeah, that's it. *gets the popcorn*Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Ah, so the truth is out.Monty said:
Arguably.ReggieCide said:
Isn't that what some Labour MPs did putting JC on the paper?Monty said:
I doubt they'll do it this way again. Still out of order to try and disrupt a democratic process for your own ends though.AndyJS said:It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
Just because it is easy to try and break something, that doesn't make it ok.
I expect him to win FWIW.
If members are foolish enough to vote for him so be it.
I just take issue with non-members doing so for nefarious reasons.
That's not an unreasonable position.
It's that I may vote for someone that YOU don't approve of.
Labour's love of democracy shines through.
I find it sad that you think it is clever to taint an election.
It's nothing to be proud of. I feel sorry for you that you are reduced to doing it.
Take a look at yourself man.
The Labour Party just lost the election badly and you feel the need to pretend you are a supporter in order to try and twist the knife for your own entertainment. And you see nothing wrong with the dishonest way you are going about it.
And you've been found out.
No wonder you're embarrassed. Bloody hell, I would be.
And with that, goodnight. 0 -
You should appreciate the additional funding! Once the trade union bill passes will the pounds stretch to last until 2025?Monty said:
I'll repeat what I said below, I don't like anyone fucking with elections. On any side.ReggieCide said:
My, you can almost hear the stamping of feet. Labour has turned its election into a circus so can hardly complain about the level of debate. Bring on the clowns!Monty said:
I'm fine with whoever is elected by legitimate members.Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Yes, the popcorn will taste extra sweet when we elect Jezza the GreatMonty said:
Yeah, that's it. *gets the popcorn*Hertsmere_Pubgoer said:
Ah, so the truth is out.Monty said:
Arguably.ReggieCide said:
Isn't that what some Labour MPs did putting JC on the paper?Monty said:
I doubt they'll do it this way again. Still out of order to try and disrupt a democratic process for your own ends though.AndyJS said:It's a bit silly for Labour to effectively run an open primary and then complain when non-Labour supporters opt to take part.
Just because it is easy to try and break something, that doesn't make it ok.
I expect him to win FWIW.
If members are foolish enough to vote for him so be it.
I just take issue with non-members doing so for nefarious reasons.
That's not an unreasonable position.
It's that I may vote for someone that YOU don't approve of.
Labour's love of democracy shines through.
I find it sad that you think it is clever to taint an election.
It's nothing to be proud of. I feel sorry for you that you are reduced to doing it.
Take a look at yourself man.
The Labour Party just lost the election badly and you feel the need to pretend you are a supporter in order to try and twist the knife for your own entertainment. And you see nothing wrong with the dishonest way you are going about it.
And you've been found out.
No wonder you're embarrassed. Bloody hell, I would be.
And with that, goodnight.
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