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Extraordinary comment from someone who would like to be our PM.watford30 said:
Typical unintelligent Labour thug, resorting to threats of violence.Charles said:
so he'd going to cheat and attempt to physically assault opponents in a friendly match?TheScreamingEagles said:Burnham proving once again what an asshat he is
@paulwaugh: .@andyburnhammp on journo/MPs football match: "I've got a msg for anyone from the Sun who's thinking of playing: don't forget your shinpads"
Asshat is too kind.
I see Burnham's back tracking on his Hillsborough accusations; presumably worried that those he's slagging off, might come out fighting.0 -
Exactly so and that is my concern about the police response to this tragedy. If you require a system that is so comprehensive that nothing is overlooked you run the risk of nothing getting done.Indigo said:
On the other hand it takes a pervasive and usually highly intrusive system to stop an inside expert from abusing the systems that are there within an inch of their life. In my (IT Security) experience trying to stop experts with access from doing naughty things usually makes the system almost unusable by everyone else, and even then with the best security systems in the world, supposedly, we get Snowden.DavidL said:It is where both are missing (eg Barings bank or the current LIBOR scandal) that things go really wrong. Leeson was a crook and was dishonest but it was the lack of competent systems that killed the bank.
I seem to recall that the Met had that problem when constables had to record the details of every interaction with the public to show that they were not being racist. The result was officers spending more time filling in reports than actually preventing crime.
The bureaucratic mindset is particularly strong and insidious in the public sector in Scotland. I spend quite a bit of my work fighting against the results.0 -
Indeed, but Kendall has made clear she opposes the changePulpstar said:
The change was of course most welcome.HYUFD said:
Indeed, but you can only avoid it if you give away your estate 7 years before death, and of course it only applies going forward to the richest estates anywayPulpstar said:
IHT is a terrible tax - makework for lawyers and accountants; and avoided by people with large fortunes anyway.HYUFD said:
We shall see, although if IHT was largely replaced by a social care fund that would at least make more sense, though personally, as I said, I would prefer measures to encourage annuities to fund carerottenborough said:
Possibly, but I doubt that any party will seek to specifically go back on the IHT change by 2020. It'll just be left at £1m and time allowed to degrade it, in the same way the £325K has rarely been uprated. Unless, as you say, it is part of some wider scheme on social care.HYUFD said:
Yet Kendall has just opposed the IHT tax cut, so if she wins IHT would be paid at 40% on all estates over £325,000. Burnham's levy is to fund social care I believe, though personally I would prefer greater use of annuitiesSimonStClare said:
Andy Burnham says Labour should embrace a system where a person pays as much as 15% on every estates following a death. - I'd have thought that far more objectionable to the electorate than IH which only kicks in at £I million.HYUFD said:Kendall's decision to oppose the IHT tax cut, one of the most popular proposals in the Budget, a big error on her part, on this she may even be left of Burnham, who has said the Mansion Tax was a mistake (although he has backed a levy to pay for social care). It us unlikely to win her many more leftwingers but will turn off floating voters
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Boris recently told a cab driver to 'F off and die', of course he did not literally mean it!felix said:
Extraordinary comment from someone who would like to be our PM.watford30 said:
Typical unintelligent Labour thug, resorting to threats of violence.Charles said:
so he'd going to cheat and attempt to physically assault opponents in a friendly match?TheScreamingEagles said:Burnham proving once again what an asshat he is
@paulwaugh: .@andyburnhammp on journo/MPs football match: "I've got a msg for anyone from the Sun who's thinking of playing: don't forget your shinpads"
Asshat is too kind.
I see Burnham's back tracking on his Hillsborough accusations; presumably worried that those he's slagging off, might come out fighting.0 -
Clearly an individual wholly unsuited to hold such a position of public office.felix said:
Extraordinary comment from someone who would like to be our PM.watford30 said:
Typical unintelligent Labour thug, resorting to threats of violence.Charles said:
so he'd going to cheat and attempt to physically assault opponents in a friendly match?TheScreamingEagles said:Burnham proving once again what an asshat he is
@paulwaugh: .@andyburnhammp on journo/MPs football match: "I've got a msg for anyone from the Sun who's thinking of playing: don't forget your shinpads"
Asshat is too kind.
I see Burnham's back tracking on his Hillsborough accusations; presumably worried that those he's slagging off, might come out fighting.
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Burnham was hardly provoked, was he?HYUFD said:
Boris recently told a cab driver to 'F off and die', of course he did not literally mean it!felix said:
Extraordinary comment from someone who would like to be our PM.watford30 said:
Typical unintelligent Labour thug, resorting to threats of violence.Charles said:
so he'd going to cheat and attempt to physically assault opponents in a friendly match?TheScreamingEagles said:Burnham proving once again what an asshat he is
@paulwaugh: .@andyburnhammp on journo/MPs football match: "I've got a msg for anyone from the Sun who's thinking of playing: don't forget your shinpads"
Asshat is too kind.
I see Burnham's back tracking on his Hillsborough accusations; presumably worried that those he's slagging off, might come out fighting.0 -
Indeed, but it goes to show voters do not care about the odd stupid comment! After all, look at what Berlusconi got away with!JosiasJessop said:
Boris's comments were made when he was harangued by a taxi driver. If I were on a bike and a car driver made comments towards me out if his window, I might use some choice words.HYUFD said:
Oh for goodness sake, Boris told a taxi driver to 'F off and die', it was a comment made in jest not a threat to murder half the Sun's journalism team! Burnham also went to Cambridgewatford30 said:
Typical unintelligent Labour thug, resorting to threats of violence.Charles said:
so he'd going to cheat and attempt to physically assault opponents in a friendly match?TheScreamingEagles said:Burnham proving once again what an asshat he is
@paulwaugh: .@andyburnhammp on journo/MPs football match: "I've got a msg for anyone from the Sun who's thinking of playing: don't forget your shinpads"
Asshat is too kind.
I see Burnham's back tracking on his Hillsborough accusations; presumably worried that those he's slagging off, might come out fighting.
And I'm usually very mild-mannered.0 -
And once they've done that they'd might as well stay in the UK - even better!Alanbrooke said:
The fun is Scotland might yet just kill off the Labour Party.CarlottaVance said:@faisalislam: Sturgeon tells me: "Labour asked us to vote on fox hunting & we're agreeing. My invitation to Labour is dont sit on fence on tax credits"
The Order of the Wooden Spoon is awarded to.....
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Burnham's a lightweight, but I don't think his shin pads comment matters.0
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The reason why Burnham is an idiot for this stance is you have enough enemies in politics without going out of your way to make more.0
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For those who wondered why I think Chris Grayling a tw@, this is why
“Our own assessments about safety were consistent with data that the national offender management service (Noms) itself produced. You were more likely to die in prison than five years ago. More prisoners were murdered, killed themselves, self-harmed and were victims of assaults than five years ago,” said Hardwick. “The number of assaults and serious assaults against staff also rose.”
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jul/14/prisons-at-their-worst-level-for-10-years0 -
New thread.
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It's deeply silly - but it does betray a rather inconsequential mind unable to think through the ramifications of foolish comments....imagine him at a Euro Summit......or meeting Putin....Morris_Dancer said:Burnham's a lightweight, but I don't think his shin pads comment matters.
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A lot of people in Scotland, including serving members of the police, have lost confidence in the Chief Constable, who while having full confidence from the FM, will nevertheless be leaving his position before the election next year.
This unfortunate case is just the latest in a long never seeming to end, series of human and PR disasters. While Sir Stephen had the backing of ex-Justice Minister Kenny MacAskill, then he could survive just about anything, armed police attending minor incidents, massive police raids on massage parlours in Edinburgh, disbandment of specialist teams leading to a massive increase in breaking and entering, etc., etc.
Oh, I was forgetting the incident in Kirkcaldy, where it took 9 police officers to subdue 1 man with copious amounts of CS and pepper spray before handcuffing him and putting on leg restraints. This happened in May, on a pavement in the street, this year. The individual was dropped off at the Kirkcaldy Infirmary, still in handcuffs and restraints and died shortly after. The officers involved are still working, and have refused to hand over their notebooks or to be interviewed by PIRC, under the ruling that only Sir Stephen can allow the investigation by PIRC to proceed.0 -
I agree to a certain extent. I think what we're settling towards on this thread is that the best approach depends on the industry.HurstLlama said:
Have you noticed Mr Jessop that when the police cock up it is never anyone's fault? leave aside the Scottish case for a moment, we also have the gangster who was shot six times but the police didn't notice and said it was natural causes (and that in a Force that gave us the Bamber case - when they also didn't notice a murder). Then we have the South Wales police force who forgot to investigate the fact that a child was being raped - no one's fault "lessons have been learned". South Yorks Police threaten a sex abuse victim and get her not to proceed - no crime committed, no arrests made. It just goes on and on.JosiasJessop said:
There is a reason why accident reports in safety-critical organisations do not generally name individuals. It is vital to get to the cause: appropriate action can be taken later by the relevant authorities.
Perhaps this attitudinal difference is because, in your industry, problems are often deliberately caused. In other industries it is much more common for problems to be non-deliberate (even when including incompetence).
Not naming individuals may be a good idea in some cases, not holding people to account for their actions isn't and never will be, unless you want more incidents of the same type in the future.
In engineering, it's generally best to work out what went wrong, then how to fix it, then pass any potential prosecutions or staff warnings to another organisation.
BTW, good to see you on a certain game's forums. I rad a post and thought: "It can't be!"0 -
The Sun have not exactly given him glowing endorsementsRobD said:
Burnham was hardly provoked, was he?HYUFD said:
Boris recently told a cab driver to 'F off and die', of course he did not literally mean it!felix said:
Extraordinary comment from someone who would like to be our PM.watford30 said:
Typical unintelligent Labour thug, resorting to threats of violence.Charles said:
so he'd going to cheat and attempt to physically assault opponents in a friendly match?TheScreamingEagles said:Burnham proving once again what an asshat he is
@paulwaugh: .@andyburnhammp on journo/MPs football match: "I've got a msg for anyone from the Sun who's thinking of playing: don't forget your shinpads"
Asshat is too kind.
I see Burnham's back tracking on his Hillsborough accusations; presumably worried that those he's slagging off, might come out fighting.0 -
RobD said:
Burnham was hardly provoked, was he?HYUFD said:
Boris recently told a cab driver to 'F off and die', of course he did not literally mean it!felix said:
Extraordinary comment from someone who would like to be our PM.watford30 said:
Typical unintelligent Labour thug, resorting to threats of violence.Charles said:
so he'd going to cheat and attempt to physically assault opponents in a friendly match?TheScreamingEagles said:Burnham proving once again what an asshat he is
@paulwaugh: .@andyburnhammp on journo/MPs football match: "I've got a msg for anyone from the Sun who's thinking of playing: don't forget your shinpads"
Asshat is too kind.
I see Burnham's back tracking on his Hillsborough accusations; presumably worried that those he's slagging off, might come out fighting.
Wales and England are now more Labour than ScotlandCarlottaVance said:
And once they've done that they'd might as well stay in the UK - even better!Alanbrooke said:
The fun is Scotland might yet just kill off the Labour Party.CarlottaVance said:@faisalislam: Sturgeon tells me: "Labour asked us to vote on fox hunting & we're agreeing. My invitation to Labour is dont sit on fence on tax credits"
The Order of the Wooden Spoon is awarded to.....
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The Sun is already an enemy of himFrancisUrquhart said:The reason why Burnham is an idiot for this stance is you have enough enemies in politics without going out of your way to make more.
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I should have added that nobody on PB thought that there might have been another reason as to why the FM was getting her underwear in a twist over foxes in England, smoke and mirrors, to divert attention from, er!, small local difficulties that seem to be exploding around her.OchEye said:A lot of people in Scotland, including serving members of the police, have lost confidence in the Chief Constable, who while having full confidence from the FM, will nevertheless be leaving his position before the election next year.
This unfortunate case is just the latest in a long never seeming to end, series of human and PR disasters. While Sir Stephen had the backing of ex-Justice Minister Kenny MacAskill, then he could survive just about anything, armed police attending minor incidents, massive police raids on massage parlours in Edinburgh, disbandment of specialist teams leading to a massive increase in breaking and entering, etc., etc.
Oh, I was forgetting the incident in Kirkcaldy, where it took 9 police officers to subdue 1 man with copious amounts of CS and pepper spray before handcuffing him and putting on leg restraints. This happened in May, on a pavement in the street, this year. The individual was dropped off at the Kirkcaldy Infirmary, still in handcuffs and restraints and died shortly after. The officers involved are still working, and have refused to hand over their notebooks or to be interviewed by PIRC, under the ruling that only Sir Stephen can allow the investigation by PIRC to proceed.0 -
I wonder what big butch Vlad, would make of Burnham's eye makeup?CarlottaVance said:
It's deeply silly - but it does betray a rather inconsequential mind unable to think through the ramifications of foolish comments....imagine him at a Euro Summit......or meeting Putin....Morris_Dancer said:Burnham's a lightweight, but I don't think his shin pads comment matters.
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Touche. As he is Greek, it was more of a chalet in Gstaad, but you are thinking along the right linesAlanbrooke said:
I think you mean "appropriate manor "Charles said:
My uncle speaks English, French, German, Italian, Greek, Russian and Romansh*TheScreamingEagles said:
English, French, German, Latin, Greek, Urdu and Punjabi.Alanbrooke said:
A man of seven tongues ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Irony dear boy.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Yebbut I've seen you use "you and I" as the object (as opposed to subject) of a sentence a few timesTheScreamingEagles said:
Have you ever heard a Scottish person to try and speak English?Sunil_Prasannan said:Why is it "Police Scotland", instead of, say, the Scottish Police Service? Sounds like a verb
Hoping that they use the correct grammar is beyond unreasonable.
Remember when I speak the English language it sounds so elegant plus I'm multi lingual so I have like six or seven languages in my head.
Mrs Eagles is spoilt.
I'm learning to speak Spanish at the moment.
So I'm quite the cunning linguist with my talented tongue.
* The last being because he had a crush on a lovely young Swiss lady and wanted to invite her to stay in the appropriate manner0