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@ms Plato said:
My MP Caroline Ansell - Tory, emailed this out earlier today

Since becoming MP two months ago I have had more correspondence on the subject of fox hunting than just about anything else! Next week the issue will come before Parliament, and we are yet to see exactly what the specific votes will be on, but for the avoidance of doubt, I will NOT be voting for a repeal of the Fox Hunting Act.



I may have missed this but when is that much expected


"working mans fishing with line and rod in local rivers and canals and then chucking the poor fish back in for other workings mans pleasure to drag out of its natural environment with a steel barb stick in the side of the mouth"


.............. green paper going to be introduced on the floor of the house?

Nemo's have rights too you know......

Mr. Song (FPT), apologies for the slow reply.

My point was consistency. Firing someone for one punch when one bite doesn't stop someone becoming director general is not consistent.

Interesting thread and an excellent bit of sleuthing Antifrank – too much time on your hands?

Guardian graphic thinks that Major was Chancellor from 1989 to 99!

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/3/20/1363802502484/Deficits-by-chancellor-001.jpg

CD13 said:

Mr Luckyguy,

"Free range and organic are obviously best."

No thanks. I prefer my e-numbers. At least, they've been tested. The most dangerous and toxic things in nature are the "organic" things - they've been developed over years to be so.

"Chemicals" tend to be purer and their toxicological profile is known.

And I like preservatives; I'm always suspicious of organic foods - you can almost see them rotting in situ.

FPPT!

Food is meant to rot. If even spoilage bacteria won't touch your food with a barge pole, it's a pretty hefty sign you shouldn't be eating it.

Chemicals do tend to be purer, which is why they're so bad for your body, which is evolved to digest wholefoods - those that have their full complement of naturally occurring vitamins, enzymes, proteins, fats, carbohydrates, and beneficial bacteria. One will help digest the other, positive effects of some will not work without the presence of the other, some will do active harm without being accompanied by the other etc.

It is acknowledged that pasteurised milk contains 'less' vitamins, no enzymes, no beneficial bacteria (it also has disrupted proteins and fat), but if it were merely a case of 'less' on a totally balanced scale, you could just drink two glasses. But in this case, obviously the high heat will have a different effect on the different elements, totally stripping some nutrients out whilst leaving others unnaffected. Little wonder then that everyone's developing milk intolerances.

Never understood why spraying organ crops with raw sewage was so much more preferable to chemicals – As the 2011 German E. coli scandal proved, ‘natural’ is not always better.

Moses_ said:

I may have missed this but when is that much expected


"working mans fishing with line and rod in local rivers and canals and then chucking the poor fish back in for other workings mans pleasure to drag out of its natural environment with a steel barb stick in the side of the mouth"


.............. green paper going to be introduced on the floor of the house?

Nemo's have rights too you know......

FWIW I was openly opposed to sports fishing of the type you describe (as opposed to fishing where you eat what you catch) from the time I was elected in 1997. I don't think it ever lost any votes - people could see the logic of opposing causing suffering for fun, while not criticising people who provided food for the table. Conversely I never opposed shooting per se if the birds were eaten - couldn't see much difference from factory farming and thought it was arguably less nasty. It's a huntsman's fantasy that all or even most critics are motivated by class envy.

SimonStClare said:

Interesting thread and an excellent bit of sleuthing Antifrank – too much time on your hands?

Unless American television has been lying to me, all lawyers have a squad of private investigators at their beck and call.

DecrepitJohnL said:

SimonStClare said:

Interesting thread and an excellent bit of sleuthing Antifrank – too much time on your hands?

Unless American television has been lying to me, all lawyers have a squad of private investigators at their beck and call.

American television has been lying to you. Though I do sometimes enlist some help for my research, which I then check carefully, on this occasion it's all my own work.

It shouldn't come as a surprise that I next intend to have a look at the new Conservative MPs.

Plato said:

Member of parliament: Greek finance minister's signature causes a stir online... but does he REALLY use such a rude-looking symbol?

Euclid Tsakalotos appeared to sign official document with phallic scrawl
The Oxford-educated economist takes on the challenge of Greek's finance
Questions have been raised over the authenticity of the signature


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3156231/Member-parliament-Greek-finance-minister-s-signature-causes-stir-online-does-REALLY-use-rude-looking-symbol.html#ixzz3fVXLy6Cq
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The Penis is mightier than the Sword???

Jeremy Corbyn’s prospects in the Labour leadership election were boosted when it was confirmed that about 30,000 Unite members have signed up as registered party supporters, able to vote in the contest.

The trade union has been supporting the leftwing candidate initially seen as on the fringes of the four-way race, but he is gaining so much support that he is being taken more seriously.

http://bit.ly/1JZiBTk

Plato said:

Member of parliament: Greek finance minister's signature causes a stir online... but does he REALLY use such a rude-looking symbol?

Euclid Tsakalotos appeared to sign official document with phallic scrawl
The Oxford-educated economist takes on the challenge of Greek's finance
Questions have been raised over the authenticity of the signature


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3156231/Member-parliament-Greek-finance-minister-s-signature-causes-stir-online-does-REALLY-use-rude-looking-symbol.html#ixzz3fVXLy6Cq
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Just proves that he is a dickhead.

My sources from Athens indicate a change of government and possible early elections are due.
Syriza and Anel are on the verge of splitting, Tsipras might not remain PM for long.

This time the splits are clearly on the EU fault-line not the austerity one, actually they have merged into a "Lets leave to EU to end austerity" narrative.

If the BBC want voluntary payments by the 75+ people perhaps they could employ those nice people at the charity cold-call centres. They seem to have a particular talent for parting pensioners from their money.

AndyJS said:

Why don't female equality activists campaign in favour of women playing best of 5 set matches at Wimbledon?

If women genuinely wanted equal prize money, the men's prize would be divided by the number of games he played, to provide the going rate, then the woman's winners prize would be the number of games she played multiplied by the going rate.

Suspect they're not going to ask for that though.

saddened said:

AndyJS said:

Why don't female equality activists campaign in favour of women playing best of 5 set matches at Wimbledon?

If women genuinely wanted equal prize money, the men's prize would be divided by the number of games he played, to provide the going rate, then the woman's winners prize would be the number of games she played multiplied by the going rate.

I think you need to relearn the meaning of 'prize'.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Jeremy Corbyn’s prospects in the Labour leadership election were boosted when it was confirmed that about 30,000 Unite members have signed up as registered party supporters, able to vote in the contest.
http://bit.ly/1JZiBTk

There was someone on here who predicted that the unions would sign up a lot.
Innocent face.
30k so far from one union so far! If the unions get 70k + they may have a big influence.

Australia need 412 runs to win from 180 overs over 2 days. Runrate = 2.3 runs an over.

Okay, so England play like we are used to seeing them. 412 the target in the morning.

BBC Weather has it raining in Cardiff from 9pm Sat night until at least 1pm Sunday

I have had a little dab at the draw 33/1

SeanT

I see they'e got a conviction in the Paige Chivers case

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/10/paige-chivers-robert-ewing-guilty-paedophile

No obvious Asian grooming link.

TheWhiteRabbit said:

SeanT

I see they'e got a conviction in the Paige Chivers case

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/10/paige-chivers-robert-ewing-guilty-paedophile

No obvious Asian grooming link.

It's odd that none of the papers seem to have a photo of this person...

The Cumbernauld local election last night represents a 25.5 per cent swing Labour to SNP with a reference point of the 2012 election where SNP and Labour were effectively level pegging.

On a uniform national move it would mean that the NATS are currently 50 per cent ahead of Labour!

Clearly the lion is still roaring!

scotslass said:

The Cumbernauld local election last night represents a 25.5 per cent swing Labour to SNP with a reference point of the 2012 election where SNP and Labour were effectively level pegging.

On a uniform national move it would mean that the NATS are currently 50 per cent ahead of Labour!

Clearly the lion is still roaring!

That ward must have been one of the most entrenched Labour wards in the country for the result to be still so relatively close.

AndyJS said:

Why don't female equality activists campaign in favour of women playing best of 5 set matches at Wimbledon?

That's always bugged me too actually. The men don't usually play best of 5 matches, it's only the Grand Slams I believe? So it's what distinguishes a normal tournament from a Grand Slam tournament, besides history and mere designation. In which case, why shouldn't the women do the same; if both sexes typically play best of 3, I should think they can both handle the big tournaments be best of 5. It also allows more chances for epic comebacks from 2 sets down.

Interesting analysis, makes the SNP intake look much better given the broad range of backgrounds - I dusted off this graphic which is pretty neat. Another interesting piece of data which would be good to know is - how many MPs actually lived in their constituency before being elected ?

https://twitter.com/RobbieDinwoodie/status/600266504744148992

kle4 said:

AndyJS said:

Why don't female equality activists campaign in favour of women playing best of 5 set matches at Wimbledon?

That's always bugged me too actually. The men don't usually play best of 5 matches, it's only the Grand Slams I believe? So it's what distinguishes a normal tournament from a Grand Slam tournament, besides history and mere designation. In which case, why shouldn't the women do the same; if both sexes typically play best of 3, I should think they can both handle the big tournaments be best of 5. It also allows more chances for epic comebacks from 2 sets down.

If they did there would be more of a case for equal pay

foxinsoxuk said:

HYUFD said:

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Yes good research antifrank but your conclusion?

antifrank "Taken as a whole, this looks like a talented intake. There is an undeniable leftward lean to the intake and a relatively narrow set of backgrounds. With very few exceptions these new MPs lack experience in the private sector and interest in the getting rather than the spending aspects of politics."

It looks much much weaker than the 2010 Conservative intake. That IMHO is good news. When 80%+ of people working are in the private sector to have 90%+ of the MPs from the public/union sector is a massive disconnect. Add in the complete inability to win the senior votes and we have a "mere flesh wound" level of problem for Labour.

Losing parties always have a more ideological intake, the 2001 new Tory intake was more rightwing for example and private school educated, ex army, business or finance so it is hardly a surprise the losing Labour intake is more leftwing and from the public sector.

According to yougov's post election breakdown poll of 100,000 adults Labour won 25% of over 60s, below its national score, but 32% of 52-59 year olds, slightly above its national score
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/06/08/general-election-2015-how-britain-really-voted/

I suppose it is because losing parties disproportionally win in their safe seats, and more centrist candidates in either party (or at least people who pretend to be centrist) get the marginals where they can pitch to switch voters from the other party.

Exactly right, when the new intake tends to be from safer seats replacing retiring MPs they tend to be more ideological and more typical of their party, ie private school and Oxbridge and the City for the Tories, public sector and social workers for Labour. When the party wins more marginal seats then they tend to be a bit more reflective of the nation as a whole eg in 1997 and 2001 Labour did elect some MPs with business and private sector experience, in 2010 and 2015 the Tories have had a small majority of MPs who went to state school for the first time

I'm not sure the "safe Labour seats have more left-wing MPs" argument really is true. In the Blair years, quite a few of the ultimate heartland seats (especially in the North East) had some very centrist MPs parachuted in.

The newly-elected Wirral West MP also ran on a platform which was more left-wing rhetorically than the national Labour campaign (it was much more forthright in condemning welfare cuts in particular, though admittedly this was helped by the fact the opponent was one of the Tories' poster girls for the cuts).

Ok getting a lot of grief here in moses household from daughters about dogs cats and fecking gerbils ! Yeah I know we have all been there etc....etc

Dogs a no go really because we (I) cannot be on location all the time so entirely unfair at the moment

Sooooo."

What the best type of kitten * (see note) breed to get and why? Needs to family pet and just look after itself. The reason I ask is anything to return sanity and so I can get back on PB ........

* kittens that eat daughters are entirely acceptable. Kittens should note that before application they should state any allergies before application .

This post operates an equal kitten policy.

Good evening, everyone.

Hope Federer beats Djokovic.

Mr. Moses, I remember Miss Plato saying Maine Coons[sp] (large cats) are very dog-like. Could be the closest thing to a good compromise.

An interesting bet would be for both Roger Federer and Serena Williams to be Wimbledon champions at the age of 35.

foxinsoxuk said:

Moses_ said:

Ok getting a lot of grief here in moses household from daughters about dogs cats and fecking gerbils ! Yeah I know we have all been there etc....etc

Dogs a no go really because we (I) cannot be on location all the time so entirely unfair at the moment

Sooooo."

What the best type of kitten * (see note) breed to get and why? Needs to family pet and just look after itself. The reason I ask is anything to return sanity and so I can get back on PB ........

* kittens that eat daughters are entirely acceptable. Kittens should note that before application they should state any allergies before application .

This post operates an equal kitten policy.

Get daughter to pick the kitten. Plenty of homeless ones out there. My cat was a kitten of a pedigree siamese who had a night on the tiles with a lusty farm tomcat. Hybrid vigour, intelligent and feeds herself if left to own devices. Tucking into a fresh rabbit on the lawn at present...

Mongrels are generally preferable to pure-breeds.

foxinsoxuk said:

Tucking into a fresh rabbit on the lawn at present...

Watch out for the amateur-produced leaflet through the door from a neighbour asking "Has anyone seen our pet rabbit?"

HYUFD said:

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Yes good research antifrank but your conclusion?

antifrank "Taken as a whole, this looks like a talented intake. There is an undeniable leftward lean to the intake and a relatively narrow set of backgrounds. With very few exceptions these new MPs lack experience in the private sector and interest in the getting rather than the spending aspects of politics."

It looks much much weaker than the 2010 Conservative intake. That IMHO is good news. When 80%+ of people working are in the private sector to have 90%+ of the MPs from the public/union sector is a massive disconnect. Add in the complete inability to win the senior votes and we have a "mere flesh wound" level of problem for Labour.

Losing parties always have a more ideological intake, the 2001 new Tory intake was more rightwing for example and private school educated, ex army, business or finance so it is hardly a surprise the losing Labour intake is more leftwing and from the public sector.

According to yougov's post election breakdown poll of 100,000 adults Labour won 25% of over 60s, below its national score, but 32% of 52-59 year olds, slightly above its national score
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/06/08/general-election-2015-how-britain-really-voted/

It's interesting to see how sharply younger mens' and womens' opinions diverge, whereas there's no big gender difference among middle-aged and old voters.

AndyJS said:

An interesting bet would be for both Roger Federer and Serena Williams to be Wimbledon champions at the age of 35.

Roger Federer is 33 !

So is Serena. Ian Bell too

Sean_F said:

HYUFD said:

Sean_F said:

HYUFD said:

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Yes good research antifrank but your conclusion?

antifrank "Taken as a whole, this looks like a talented intake. There is an undeniable leftward lean to the intake and a relatively narrow set of backgrounds. With very few exceptions these new MPs lack experience in the private sector and interest in the getting rather than the spending aspects of politics."

It looks much much weaker than the 2010 Conservative intake. That IMHO is good news. When 80%+ of people working are in the private sector to have 90%+ of the MPs from the public/union sector is a massive disconnect. Add in the complete inability to win the senior votes and we have a "mere flesh wound" level of problem for Labour.

Losing parties always have a more ideological intake, the 2001 new Tory intake was more rightwing for example and private school educated, ex army, business or finance so it is hardly a surprise the losing Labour intake is more leftwing and from the public sector.

According to yougov's post election breakdown poll of 100,000 adults Labour won 25% of over 60s, below its national score, but 32% of 52-59 year olds, slightly above its national score
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/06/08/general-election-2015-how-britain-really-voted/

It's interesting to see how sharply younger mens' and womens' opinions diverge, whereas there's no big gender difference among middle-aged and old voters.

Indeed, will be interesting to see if that follows through in future years into later age groups

I think a fair number of young men and young women are hostile to our political and economic establishment, but for quite opposite reasons. The archetypal left-wing voter is a young Guardian-reading female graduate. The archetypal right-wing voter is a young Mail-reading male self-employed builder.

Although ironically, that archetypal right-wing voter in England, went for the Left in the most recent election in Scotland (I remember seeing an amusing survey of builders, which showed the SNP had almost as much support among them as Labour did in the whole of the UK).

Plato said:

I'd recommend my favourits - big, fluffy but very little maintenance, and self-reliant/cuddly. The cat in the O2 be-more-dog adverts is one.

http://www.yourcat.co.uk/Cat-Breed-Profiles/maine-coon-cat-breed-profile.html

Moses_ said:

Ok getting a lot of grief here in moses household from daughters about dogs cats and fecking gerbils ! Yeah I know we have all been there etc....etc

Dogs a no go really because we (I) cannot be on location all the time so entirely unfair at the moment

Sooooo."

What the best type of kitten * (see note) breed to get and why? Needs to family pet and just look after itself. The reason I ask is anything to return sanity and so I can get back on PB ........

* kittens that eat daughters are entirely acceptable. Kittens should note that before application they should state any allergies before application .

This post operates an equal kitten policy.

My cat Alfmungus is a Maine Coon... beautiful boy he follows me down the road to the shops and waits for me like a dog would... can be seen staring out a fox on my twitter

Sean_F said:

HYUFD said:

Sean_F said:

HYUFD said:

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Yes good research antifrank but your conclusion?

antifrank "Taken as a whole, this looks like a talented intake. There is an undeniable leftward lean to the intake and a relatively narrow set of backgrounds. With very few exceptions these new MPs lack experience in the private sector and interest in the getting rather than the spending aspects of politics."

It looks much much weaker than the 2010 Conservative intake. That IMHO is good news. When 80%+ of people working are in the private sector to have 90%+ of the MPs from the public/union sector is a massive disconnect. Add in the complete inability to win the senior votes and we have a "mere flesh wound" level of problem for Labour.

Losing parties always have a more ideological intake, the 2001 new Tory intake was more rightwing for example and private school educated, ex army, business or finance so it is hardly a surprise the losing Labour intake is more leftwing and from the public sector.

According to yougov's post election breakdown poll of 100,000 adults Labour won 25% of over 60s, below its national score, but 32% of 52-59 year olds, slightly above its national score
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/06/08/general-election-2015-how-britain-really-voted/

It's interesting to see how sharply younger mens' and womens' opinions diverge, whereas there's no big gender difference among middle-aged and old voters.

Indeed, will be interesting to see if that follows through in future years into later age groups

I think a fair number of young men and young women are hostile to our political and economic establishment, but for quite opposite reasons. The archetypal left-wing voter is a young Guardian-reading female graduate. The archetypal right-wing voter is a young Mail-reading male self-employed builder.

Indeed, the leftwing voter is also likely to be living in London or another major city and work in the public sector, the rightwing voter in the suburbs or a market town and as you say work in the private sector, probably as a small businessman or self-employed (he is probably more likely to read the Sun than the Mail though, at least the print version anyway)

HYUFD said:

Pulpstar said:

AndyJS said:

An interesting bet would be for both Roger Federer and Serena Williams to be Wimbledon champions at the age of 35.

Roger Federer is 33 !

So is Serena. Ian Bell too

Jack Nicklaus won the US Masters at 46!

A touch easier to do in golf, but youth still has a massive advantage.

Bernard Hopkins boxing career in his 40s is remarkable.

Pulpstar said:

HYUFD said:

Pulpstar said:

AndyJS said:

An interesting bet would be for both Roger Federer and Serena Williams to be Wimbledon champions at the age of 35.

Roger Federer is 33 !

So is Serena. Ian Bell too

Jack Nicklaus won the US Masters at 46!

A touch easier to do in golf, but youth still has a massive advantage.

Bernard Hopkins boxing career in his 40s is remarkable.

Indeed, but he had not won even won PGA event in the 2 years prior to that Major. Even more impressive for a boxer to keep going in their 40s

HYUFD said:

Pulpstar said:

HYUFD said:

Pulpstar said:

AndyJS said:

An interesting bet would be for both Roger Federer and Serena Williams to be Wimbledon champions at the age of 35.

Roger Federer is 33 !

So is Serena. Ian Bell too

Jack Nicklaus won the US Masters at 46!

A touch easier to do in golf, but youth still has a massive advantage.

Bernard Hopkins boxing career in his 40s is remarkable.

Indeed, but he had not won even won PGA event in the 2 years prior to that Major. Even more impressive for a boxer to keep going in their 40s

QUite a few do, even when they shouldn't - but the level he kept up in his 40s was quite remarkable. He should probably retire now, Kovalev beat him well.

MTimT said:

isam said:

Plato said:

I'd recommend my favourits - big, fluffy but very little maintenance, and self-reliant/cuddly. The cat in the O2 be-more-dog adverts is one.

http://www.yourcat.co.uk/Cat-Breed-Profiles/maine-coon-cat-breed-profile.html

Moses_ said:

Ok getting a lot of grief here in moses household from daughters about dogs cats and fecking gerbils ! Yeah I know we have all been there etc....etc

Dogs a no go really because we (I) cannot be on location all the time so entirely unfair at the moment

Sooooo."

What the best type of kitten * (see note) breed to get and why? Needs to family pet and just look after itself. The reason I ask is anything to return sanity and so I can get back on PB ........

* kittens that eat daughters are entirely acceptable. Kittens should note that before application they should state any allergies before application .

This post operates an equal kitten policy.

My cat Alfmungus is a Maine Coon... beautiful boy he follows me down the road to the shops and waits for me like a dog would... can be seen staring out a fox on my twitter

Love Maine Coons. We have a big ginger tabby boy.

We have 2 Maine Coons, a red tabby and a blue and silver with white, their great cats. Finally something everyone on PB can agree upon !!

We also had a Bengal, which used to yowl 24/7 - just like having a baby in the house. Sadly he disappeared a couple of years ago.

HYUFD said:

Sean_F said:

HYUFD said:

TCPoliticalBetting said:

Yes good research antifrank but your conclusion?

antifrank "Taken as a whole, this looks like a talented intake. There is an undeniable leftward lean to the intake and a relatively narrow set of backgrounds. With very few exceptions these new MPs lack experience in the private sector and interest in the getting rather than the spending aspects of politics."

It looks much much weaker than the 2010 Conservative intake. That IMHO is good news. When 80%+ of people working are in the private sector to have 90%+ of the MPs from the public/union sector is a massive disconnect. Add in the complete inability to win the senior votes and we have a "mere flesh wound" level of problem for Labour.

Losing parties always have a more ideological intake, the 2001 new Tory intake was more rightwing for example and private school educated, ex army, business or finance so it is hardly a surprise the losing Labour intake is more leftwing and from the public sector.

According to yougov's post election breakdown poll of 100,000 adults Labour won 25% of over 60s, below its national score, but 32% of 52-59 year olds, slightly above its national score
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2015/06/08/general-election-2015-how-britain-really-voted/

It's interesting to see how sharply younger mens' and womens' opinions diverge, whereas there's no big gender difference among middle-aged and old voters.

Indeed, will be interesting to see if that follows through in future years into later age groups

If the US is anything to go by then marriage and children will see them shift right.

Morris_Dancer said:

Dr. Prasannan, gladius was also slang for a penis.

You mean 'the pen is mightier than the sword' was really meant to be 'the pen is mightier than the penis'?

Was Shakespeare taking the piss?

Fascinating article on conservativehome about the Heath v Maudling Tory leadership battle in 1965
http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2015/07/lewis-baston-how-edward-heath-won-the-first-conservative-leadership-election-50-years-ago-this-month.html