We are perhaps (one of) the most successful country in the world when it comes to exporting music, so why can't we actually choose something decent for Eurovision?
You over estimate the popularity of British music in Europe. But Eurovision is a world apart anyway.
Depeche Mode were and are far more popular in Germany than over here.
To fully appreciate it avoid the crush by going there in early spring, walking down it, sleeping at the bottom, and the walking back up by a different route.
I believe that active total immersion is the best way.
Zion park is good too.
Oh. And isn't it good to have proper nesting back!
All true, of course. Just as all the sensible arguments in indyref were on the side of NO. Yet the YESsers came within a few points of winning (something considered unthinkable six months before).
Referenda are horribly unpredictable. If the OUT side can make this a passionate, emotional argument about reclaiming the UK's sovereignty, kicking out Bulgarian-Roma pickpocketing murderers, regaining control of our borders, being proud and free and able to tell everyone else to sod off, then they might just win.
Glib predictions of 2/1 IN are absurdly complacent from europhiles, and highly reminiscent of indyref.
True. I'm a marginal IN at the moment. It all depends on the renegotiation - something meaningful and I will stick with IN. Some kind of whitewash and I'll assume our best hope is OUT and stand on our own.
We are perhaps (one of) the most successful country in the world when it comes to exporting music, so why can't we actually choose something decent for Eurovision?
You over estimate the popularity of British music in Europe. But Eurovision is a world apart anyway.
Depeche Mode were and are far more popular in Germany than over here.
The Liberal Democrats were thrown into fresh crisis on Saturday as their only MP in Scotland, Alistair Carmichael, faced the prospect of a full parliamentary inquiry and a byelection fight against the SNP over his role in a Whitehall leak intended to damage Scotland’s first minister, Nicola Sturgeon.
All true, of course. Just as all the sensible arguments in indyref were on the side of NO. Yet the YESsers came within a few points of winning (something considered unthinkable six months before).
Referenda are horribly unpredictable. If the OUT side can make this a passionate, emotional argument about reclaiming the UK's sovereignty, kicking out Bulgarian-Roma pickpocketing murderers, regaining control of our borders, being proud and free and able to tell everyone else to sod off, then they might just win.
Glib predictions of 2/1 IN are absurdly complacent from europhiles, and highly reminiscent of indyref.
True. I'm a marginal IN at the moment. It all depends on the renegotiation - something meaningful and I will stick with IN. Some kind of whitewash and I'll assume our best hope is OUT and stand on our own.
People will suspect Cameron hasn't got much meat if he tries to bounce us into an early vote in 2016, and can't show anything signed and sealed for it.
Government figure may quit in order to vote against controversial Tory plan, as Andrew Mitchell, Dominic Grieve and Damian Green warn against watering down human rights
We are perhaps (one of) the most successful country in the world when it comes to exporting music, so why can't we actually choose something decent for Eurovision?
You over estimate the popularity of British music in Europe. But Eurovision is a world apart anyway.
Depeche Mode were and are far more popular in Germany than over here.
Same can be said of David Hasselhoff
Yebbut Hasselhoff isn't British
No, but it does illustrate the quality of popular music in Germany. I love Germany, wonderful country. But aside from Rammstein I'm struggling to think of a contemporary German music act I actually like.
After the extent to which human rights legislation has been used by IRA sympathisers, I have no doubt that the DUP and UUP will vote enthusiastically for HRA repeal.
We are perhaps (one of) the most successful country in the world when it comes to exporting music, so why can't we actually choose something decent for Eurovision?
You over estimate the popularity of British music in Europe. But Eurovision is a world apart anyway.
Depeche Mode were and are far more popular in Germany than over here.
Same can be said of David Hasselhoff
Yebbut Hasselhoff isn't British
No, but it does illustrate the quality of popular music in Germany. I love Germany, wonderful country. But aside from Rammstein I'm struggling to think of a contemporary German music act I actually like.
Uh oh part II, we might have a TPD on the left of the Tory party.
Grieve?
Honestly, if you're going to quit within a fortnight of the election, and before the Queen's Speech, then why on earth stand for election for the party in the first place.
I hope it's only someone of the Edward McMillan-Scott calibre.
Uh oh part II, we might have a TPD on the left of the Tory party.
Grieve?
Honestly, if you're going to quit within a fortnight of the election, and before the Queen's Speech, then why on earth stand for election for the party in the first place.
I hope it's only someone of the Edward McMillan-Scott calibre.
I wonder if there's anyone sanctimonious enough to resign and call a by-election over the Human Rights Act...
Someone who's done it before and was sounding off on the topic last week, perchance?
MikeL Considering In only starts with a 10 point lead, same as the indyref No, Dave would need quite the renegotiation to ensure a 2-1 landslide
RobD Yes a little teasing for the EICISPM fans is allowed bearing in mind the eventual result
If the Leave team can get their act together it might become closer, but that doesn't seem likely. Who is going to be able to unite the disparate groups of people who grumble about Europe?
However I note that Surbiton is predicting a 2/1 win for IN. I recall he predicted the same for NO in indyref. Derrr.
This referendum, like the Scottish referendum (though perhaps on a lesser scale) is going to kick up unexpected emotions and hitherto hidden passions. Lots of people are VERY ANGRY about mass immigration and have not, until this moment, had a way to directly express this.
If the referendum becomes a debate about control of our borders then I can see IN losing, easily. And that's just one imponderable.
Inners are far too confident. And I speak as someone who could, genuinely, be persuaded either way. The public are in a mood (cf Scotland) to tell the great and the good to F Off; this is dangerous timing for europhiles.
Right now I'd predict 58/42 IN but only because the economy is improving, but where we will be in a year or two?
65:35 IN:OUT is on.
The mother and father of Project Fear will be unleashed. In fact, it has already started. Everyday, you will find some business leader coming out and say how disastrous it will be if we pulled out of the EU.
For once, the Trade Unions will be on the same side. Labour and the Tories will back staying in . Yes, the Tories !
The Lib Dems don't matter anyway. UKIP resolutely will be against with BNP, NF etc. Regarding Scotland: The organisational capabilities of the SNP and UKIP are slightly different.
I understand the majority of the new Tory MPs are for IN. Look at the PBTories. Many will finally raise their heads.
Do you think Nabavi, Fitalass, Charles et al wants OUT ? I don't think so.
Why not start a game which PB Tory is for IN and which ones are for OUT ?
Given your embarrassingly stupid "insights" about the General Election it is now best that you shut the feck up. Everything you do, say, think, post, desire, hope, wish, want, and believe is either risible or delusional or mortifying to everyone around you, even your allies. I suggest a Vow of Silence for several months.
How about your shifting predictions ? Didn't you predict EdM as PM just a few days before the elections ? Anyway, you want the UK to stay in also.
Uh oh part II, we might have a TPD on the left of the Tory party.
Grieve?
Honestly, if you're going to quit within a fortnight of the election, and before the Queen's Speech, then why on earth stand for election for the party in the first place.
I hope it's only someone of the Edward McMillan-Scott calibre.
See below, it be a Minister, I'm going for Anna Soubry.
Uh oh part II, we might have a TPD on the left of the Tory party.
Grieve?
Honestly, if you're going to quit within a fortnight of the election, and before the Queen's Speech, then why on earth stand for election for the party in the first place.
I hope it's only someone of the Edward McMillan-Scott calibre.
See below, it be a Minister, I'm going for Anna Soubry.
The Party never seems to ever bloody learn. I find this so so frustrating.
Uh oh part II, we might have a TPD on the left of the Tory party.
Grieve?
Honestly, if you're going to quit within a fortnight of the election, and before the Queen's Speech, then why on earth stand for election for the party in the first place.
I hope it's only someone of the Edward McMillan-Scott calibre.
I wonder if there's anyone sanctimonious enough to resign and call a by-election over the Human Rights Act...
Someone who's done it before and was sounding off on the topic last week, perchance?
If he did resign than Cameron should just boot him out of the party and get someone to run against him. His ego is way to big for an irrelevance.
Uh oh part II, we might have a TPD on the left of the Tory party.
Grieve?
Honestly, if you're going to quit within a fortnight of the election, and before the Queen's Speech, then why on earth stand for election for the party in the first place.
I hope it's only someone of the Edward McMillan-Scott calibre.
See below, it be a Minister, I'm going for Anna Soubry.
The Party never seems to ever bloody learn. I find this so so frustrating.
Tell me about it.
Even as a Pro European Tory in favour of the ECHR, this sort of behaviour makes me want to scream.
Government figure may quit in order to vote against controversial Tory plan, as Andrew Mitchell, Dominic Grieve and Damian Green warn against watering down human rights
Uh oh part II, we might have a TPD on the left of the Tory party.
Grieve?
Honestly, if you're going to quit within a fortnight of the election, and before the Queen's Speech, then why on earth stand for election for the party in the first place.
I hope it's only someone of the Edward McMillan-Scott calibre.
Especially as it was in the manifesto.
And then why accept ministerial office knowing you'd have to quit.
In Labour ranks there are calls for David Miliband to play a leading role in Labour’s referendum campaign, a return that could lead to a new leadership attempt.
Uh oh part II, we might have a TPD on the left of the Tory party.
Grieve?
Honestly, if you're going to quit within a fortnight of the election, and before the Queen's Speech, then why on earth stand for election for the party in the first place.
I hope it's only someone of the Edward McMillan-Scott calibre.
Especially as it was in the manifesto.
And then why accept ministerial office knowing you'd have to quit.
To make a grand flounce and get some cheap headlines then pretend you're making a heroic stand on principle.
Uh oh part II, we might have a TPD on the left of the Tory party.
Grieve?
Honestly, if you're going to quit within a fortnight of the election, and before the Queen's Speech, then why on earth stand for election for the party in the first place.
I hope it's only someone of the Edward McMillan-Scott calibre.
Especially as it was in the manifesto.
And then why accept ministerial office knowing you'd have to quit.
The only explanation I can think of is that they never expected a majority and for this pledge to be traded away.
All that said, I think the Conservatives are misselling and misplaying the politics of this.
This year is the 800th anniversary of Magna Carta. This initiative should be about launching a new constitutional convention to produce an updated wholly British Bill of Rights, that can strengthen both what we have and places practical boundaries on what matters to us.
*And then* we repeal the old HRA, and ensure our own Supreme Court arbitrates in human rights matters.
PT The Welsh Assembly Referendum in 1997 was just 50.3% Yes 49.7% No
Denmark voted 53% against the Euro in 2000, France 54% against the Nice Treaty in 2005, Ireland 53% against Lisbon in 2008.
Quebec voted 51-49% to stay in Canada in 1995
Not sure you realise this but all these examples rather make my point.
In Wales 1997 every party with a Welsh MP all backed Yes. Labour, PC and the Lib Dems were all on the side of Yes. The Conservatives were the only No party and had failed to win even a single seat. Yet the vote was very nearly lost despite unanimous backing for Yes - there's hardly going to be unanimous backing for Leave this time.
France and Ireland both voted against the change despite the major parties backing the change.
The Danish referendum for the change was backed by all major parties, the trade unions, the financial and industrial sectors and all but one of the newspapers. But again it still was lost to the status quo despite unanimity in favour. Again we're not going to see unanimity in favour of leaving the EU.
All these examples show the natural advantage the status quo has in a referendum. It takes a lot to overcome that inertia, even Yes Scotland failed and even with unanimity in favour Wales devolution only narrowly scraped through.
"I love Germany, wonderful country. But aside from Rammstein I'm struggling to think of a contemporary German music act I actually like."
Errhhhh...Kraftwerk ring any bells :-)
Tokio Hotel has managed to become pretty popular outside of German market. And CRO is very big, I am sure if he rapped in something other than German, he would be even bigger.
For those saying Rammstein great live act, definitely agree with that...if you like seeing leader singers setting fire to themselves and controlling a foam firing [censored]...
@DaemonBarber I love Amour - I tripped across it mislabeled on a Russian music sharing site [wrong band and song title] and took me ages to discover what it was
"I love Germany, wonderful country. But aside from Rammstein I'm struggling to think of a contemporary German music act I actually like."
Errhhhh...Kraftwerk ring any bells :-)
Tokio Hotel has managed to become pretty popular outside of German market.
For those saying Rammstein great live act, definitely agree with that...if you like seeing leader singers setting fire to themselves and controlling a foam firing [censored]...
Government figure may quit in order to vote against controversial Tory plan, as Andrew Mitchell, Dominic Grieve and Damian Green warn against watering down human rights
"I love Germany, wonderful country. But aside from Rammstein I'm struggling to think of a contemporary German music act I actually like."
Errhhhh...Kraftwerk ring any bells :-)
Tokio Hotel has managed to become pretty popular outside of German market. And CRO is very big, I am sure if he rapped in something other than German, he would be even bigger.
For those saying Rammstein great live act, definitely agree with that...if you like seeing leader singers setting fire to themselves and controlling a foam firing [censored]...
@DaemonBarber I love Amour - I tripped across it mislabeled on a Russian music sharing site [wrong band and song title] and took me ages to discover what it was
All these referendums could also represent a strongly anti establishment vote in terms of the status quo much will depend on whether voters perceive whether a vote to leave is actually a vote not to become part of a Federal Europe, if so Leave could present that as a vote for the Status Quo if Cameron has not renegotiated enough to allay their concerns
Dave's renegotiation probably won't be worth crap. I'll be voting in nevertheless. My Dad voted for Clarke once as leader I think, so an "In" vote is biologically imprinted :P
I'm wondering if it's my eyes or has the bird with the beard had some of her lower ribs removed? No one has a wasp waist like that when born as a female nevermind a bloke.
Dave's renegotiation probably won't be worth crap. I'll be voting in nevertheless. My Dad voted for Clarke once as leader I think, so an "In" vote is biologically imprinted :P
Government figure may quit in order to vote against controversial Tory plan, as Andrew Mitchell, Dominic Grieve and Damian Green warn against watering down human rights
Dave's renegotiation probably won't be worth crap. I'll be voting in nevertheless. My Dad voted for Clarke once as leader I think, so an "In" vote is biologically imprinted :P
Really? I thought you were undecided.
I was, defo leaning towards "in" though now I think about it. Could yet change my mind tho tbh ;p
Dave's renegotiation probably won't be worth crap. I'll be voting in nevertheless. My Dad voted for Clarke once as leader I think, so an "In" vote is biologically imprinted :P
Really? I thought you were undecided.
I was, defo leaning towards "in" though now I think about it. Could yet change my mind tho tbh ;p
Fair enough. Although, I hope you might be persuadable a little closer to the time.
As is common with Gainsbourg's lyrics, the words are filled with double meanings, wordplay, and puns. The title can be translated as "wax doll, rag doll" (a floppy doll stuffed with straw) or as "wax doll, sound doll" (with implications that Gall is a "singing doll" controlled by Gainsbourg).
Sylvie Simmons wrote that the song is about "the ironies and incongruities inherent in baby pop"—that "the songs young people turn to for help in their first attempts at discovering what life and love are about are sung by people too young and inexperienced themselves to be of much assistance, and condemned by their celebrity to be unlikely to soon find out."[1]
I'm wondering if it's my eyes or has the bird with the beard had some of her lower ribs removed? No one has a wasp waist like that when born as a female nevermind a bloke.
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To fully appreciate it avoid the crush by going there in early spring, walking down it, sleeping at the bottom, and the walking back up by a different route.
I believe that active total immersion is the best way.
Zion park is good too.
Oh. And isn't it good to have proper nesting back!
True. I'm a marginal IN at the moment. It all depends on the renegotiation - something meaningful and I will stick with IN. Some kind of whitewash and I'll assume our best hope is OUT and stand on our own.
What it does scupper is any chance the Lords might reject it and knock it on for a year, Salisbury convention notwithstanding.
We're favourites.
Tories at war over plan to scrap Human Rights Act
Government figure may quit in order to vote against controversial Tory plan, as Andrew Mitchell, Dominic Grieve and Damian Green warn against watering down human rights
http://bit.ly/1Eq4aSk
I love Germany, wonderful country. But aside from Rammstein I'm struggling to think of a contemporary German music act I actually like.
EWNBPM (Eurovision will never be politically manipulated)
Mannheim Steamroller?
Honestly, if you're going to quit within a fortnight of the election, and before the Queen's Speech, then why on earth stand for election for the party in the first place.
I hope it's only someone of the Edward McMillan-Scott calibre.
Someone who's done it before and was sounding off on the topic last week, perchance?
Managed to make it through all 27 entries
@surbiton
I'm very much on the cusp of in vs out. Europe is heading in a different direction to that high I want
I think you'll find that SeanT's comments are snapshots, not predictions.
Earthquake in UKIP land ! Is this a message ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEqpNawBCVE
Even as a Pro European Tory in favour of the ECHR, this sort of behaviour makes me want to scream.
The latter is far more common than the former.
And then why accept ministerial office knowing you'd have to quit.
In fact I fear only chance is the wheelchair Bound Lady!!!
In Labour ranks there are calls for David Miliband to play a leading role in Labour’s referendum campaign, a return that could lead to a new leadership attempt.
All that said, I think the Conservatives are misselling and misplaying the politics of this.
This year is the 800th anniversary of Magna Carta. This initiative should be about launching a new constitutional convention to produce an updated wholly British Bill of Rights, that can strengthen both what we have and places practical boundaries on what matters to us.
*And then* we repeal the old HRA, and ensure our own Supreme Court arbitrates in human rights matters.
Denmark voted 53% against the Euro in 2000, France 54% against the Nice Treaty in 2005, Ireland 53% against Lisbon in 2008.
Quebec voted 51-49% to stay in Canada in 1995
In Wales 1997 every party with a Welsh MP all backed Yes. Labour, PC and the Lib Dems were all on the side of Yes. The Conservatives were the only No party and had failed to win even a single seat. Yet the vote was very nearly lost despite unanimous backing for Yes - there's hardly going to be unanimous backing for Leave this time.
France and Ireland both voted against the change despite the major parties backing the change.
The Danish referendum for the change was backed by all major parties, the trade unions, the financial and industrial sectors and all but one of the newspapers. But again it still was lost to the status quo despite unanimity in favour. Again we're not going to see unanimity in favour of leaving the EU.
All these examples show the natural advantage the status quo has in a referendum. It takes a lot to overcome that inertia, even Yes Scotland failed and even with unanimity in favour Wales devolution only narrowly scraped through.
Errhhhh...Kraftwerk ring any bells :-)
Tokio Hotel has managed to become pretty popular outside of German market. And CRO is very big, I am sure if he rapped in something other than German, he would be even bigger.
For those saying Rammstein great live act, definitely agree with that...if you like seeing leader singers setting fire to themselves and controlling a foam firing [censored]...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWekzKyVYcs
I've seen Rammstein many times, love 'em
Mrs BJ exited after song 2
If not has to be good for Putin IMO
#1millionvoices
I remember Massiel winning with La, La, La.
- and who can forget Congratulations...
Have fun kids.
Is there an all night licence for us somewhere
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hghptnR9JaE