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... or even one newspaper having two different views.Charles said:
I was just going to raise that: the Beeb getting very twitterpated about the idea that two newspapers could have two different views.logical_song said:The Sun campaigning for the Tories in England/Wales and for the SNP in Scotland.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/04/sun-says-stop-snp-scottish-sun-says-back-snp
Fundamentally, it's an ABL position by Rupert Murdoch...0 -
Voters don't realise George Osborne killed Labour's recovery, flat-lined the economy for a couple of years, then abandoned Plan A, stimulated the only bit of the economy that did not need stimulating (house-prices) and doubled government debt.Casino_Royale said:
What Cameron is relying on, IMHO, is voters pencils in key marginal seats hesitating and hovering over the "Labour" box on Thursday next week and deciding, at the last moment, 'nah, too risky' and to tick the "Conservative" box instead*SMukesh said:Get your gas masks on.
Cameron wants the Tories to have massive fart over the next week.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/29/david-cameron-time-for-tory-campaign-let-rip-final-week-election-conservatives
*Probably applies more to UKIP/Lib Dem voters, to be fair, as the number of Con-Lab floaters is marginal.
He might be right. I simply don't know. I'd like to think the British electorate were sensible and practical people. But I don't think many people realise what a parlous state the country and its finances are still in.0 -
I'm not sure that's fair. The Lib Dems acted reasonably whilst in coalition (with one or two notable exceptions), and they cannot be expected not to take advantage now there is an imminent election.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Liberal Democrat Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander has said the Conservatives proposed to "slash" child benefit while the two parties were in government together."
Lib Dems reinforce their image as duplicituous untrustworthy bar stewards urinating on anyone who was a previous partner.
They owe no loyalty to the Conservatives, and the Conservatives owe no loyalty to them.0 -
Not according to Election Forecast (who could be wrong of course). Tories by 4. Personally, I think that is quite likely. UKIP have not had a great campaign struggling to be heard above the noise.Pulpstar said:
South Thanet is a UKIP gain.DavidL said:Election Forecast has Dumfries & Galloway with Labour (current holders) on 31%, Tories on 31% and SNP on 32%. Must be one of the closest three ways in the whole country, certainly closer than South Thanet is likely to be. Less a question of were you up for and more a question of had you had your tea before I think.
The other slightly odd thing about the seat allocations in Election Forecast is that as far as I can see they are only predicting about 13 Tory gains. This looks very low to me but they seem to be assuming a lot more Lib Dems are going to hang on in the SW than most.0 -
Hmm.surbiton said:
Sean, looks like you will end up voting Tory after all !Sean_F said:
Attempting to blame the Conservatives for SLAB's calamity is pathetic, though very much in character.dr_spyn said:
What a surprise to find that the Guardian story leads the front page of the BBC website.FrancisUrquhart said:
Wonder what the BBC will run tomorrow.TheScreamingEagles said:Bloody hell the Lib Dems must have some shocking private polling.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/593524967666384897
I notice they didn't get their copy of the Times today at Beeboid towers.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32526461
Though I noticed that The Herald has Brown trying to copy The SNP to blame the Tories for Labour's feelings.
France pays nothing for the first child.
Ireland limits it to 2 children.
Italy pays nothing when income is over about 35k.
A trope ripe for questioning.
I'd support a limit of 3 children receiving CB.
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The BBC fundamentally wants a Labour win, except a few Conservatives there. BBC Scotland is very Labour indeedlogical_song said:
... or even one newspaper having two different views.Charles said:
I was just going to raise that: the Beeb getting very twitterpated about the idea that two newspapers could have two different views.logical_song said:The Sun campaigning for the Tories in England/Wales and for the SNP in Scotland.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/04/sun-says-stop-snp-scottish-sun-says-back-snp
Fundamentally, it's an ABL position by Rupert Murdoch...0 -
For those short on brain cells, isn't the Conservative and Unionist Party supposed to be Team GB rather than England? I'm not sure David Cameron wishes his party to be seen as anti-Scots.Plato said:I thought the Sun's reaction of "you'd never expect the Scottish Sun to support the England football team" was perfect for those short on brain cells.
Charles said:
I was just going to raise that: the Beeb getting very twitterpated about the idea that two newspapers could have two different views.logical_song said:The Sun campaigning for the Tories in England/Wales and for the SNP in Scotland.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/04/sun-says-stop-snp-scottish-sun-says-back-snp
Fundamentally, it's an ABL position by Rupert Murdoch...0 -
That will be a larger "slash" than the 100% cut in my CB that the Lib Dems voted for?TCPoliticalBetting said:"Liberal Democrat Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander has said the Conservatives proposed to "slash" child benefit while the two parties were in government together."
Lib Dems reinforce their image as duplicituous untrustworthy bar stewards urinating on anyone who was a previous partner.
I am afraid the desperation is starting to show a bit. Understandable but a little sad.0 -
As the Tories have demonstrated clearly!JosiasJessop said:
I'm not sure that's fair. The Lib Dems acted reasonably whilst in coalition (with one or two notable exceptions), and they cannot be expected not to take advantage now there is an imminent election.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Liberal Democrat Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander has said the Conservatives proposed to "slash" child benefit while the two parties were in government together."
Lib Dems reinforce their image as duplicituous untrustworthy bar stewards urinating on anyone who was a previous partner.
They owe no loyalty to the Conservatives, and the Conservatives owe no loyalty to them.0 -
kle4 4 PM!0
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Clegg in more trouble than Farage tbhDavidL said:
Not according to Election Forecast (who could be wrong of course). Tories by 4. Personally, I think that is quite likely. UKIP have not had a great campaign struggling to be heard above the noise.Pulpstar said:
South Thanet is a UKIP gain.DavidL said:Election Forecast has Dumfries & Galloway with Labour (current holders) on 31%, Tories on 31% and SNP on 32%. Must be one of the closest three ways in the whole country, certainly closer than South Thanet is likely to be. Less a question of were you up for and more a question of had you had your tea before I think.
The other slightly odd thing about the seat allocations in Election Forecast is that as far as I can see they are only predicting about 13 Tory gains. This looks very low to me but they seem to be assuming a lot more Lib Dems are going to hang on in the SW than most.0 -
According to the Beeb on R4 Today, this was part of a 2012 treasury briefing paper which also looked at only giving benefit to the first two children or reduced benefit for the first child (when child allowance was brought in first, there was no benefit for the first child). Apparently these suggestions were rejected by the PM and DPM and by the cabinet.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Liberal Democrat Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander has said the Conservatives proposed to "slash" child benefit while the two parties were in government together."
Lib Dems reinforce their image as duplicituous untrustworthy bar stewards urinating on anyone who was a previous partner.0 -
Is it a foregone conclusion that the Guardian endorse Labour for this election? Will it be a lukewarm hold-your-nose thing like the New Statesman?0
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YouGov polls show that Labour’s support had been falling since the May 2012 local elections. This gradual decline terminated in a drop immediately following the autumn party conference. I find it intriguing that notwithstanding the election campaign, with all of the associated TV appearances and political promises, that the party has never recovered that pre-conference level of support. I also notice that the party’s support been slipping for the last 7 data points. Click to enlarge...0
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Comres: bad for Tories.
Must be a methodological change. It can't be because Tory support is falling.0 -
Our Polish cleaner who requires medical advice and treatment has decided to go home for those services rather than rely on the Welsh NHS.
Also see that this morning the SPIN gap is at 19.0 -
Talking of urinating on barstewards, this is a leaflet received yesterday from HM Gloria de Piero gently urinating on Geoff Hoon the previous Labour MP for Ashfield 1992-2010.
https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/593406497272549377
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Labour's what?DecrepitJohnL said:
Voters don't realise George Osborne killed Labour's recovery, flat-lined the economy for a couple of years, then abandoned Plan A, stimulated the only bit of the economy that did not need stimulating (house-prices) and doubled government debt.Casino_Royale said:
What Cameron is relying on, IMHO, is voters pencils in key marginal seats hesitating and hovering over the "Labour" box on Thursday next week and deciding, at the last moment, 'nah, too risky' and to tick the "Conservative" box instead*SMukesh said:Get your gas masks on.
Cameron wants the Tories to have massive fart over the next week.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/29/david-cameron-time-for-tory-campaign-let-rip-final-week-election-conservatives
*Probably applies more to UKIP/Lib Dem voters, to be fair, as the number of Con-Lab floaters is marginal.
He might be right. I simply don't know. I'd like to think the British electorate were sensible and practical people. But I don't think many people realise what a parlous state the country and its finances are still in.
Trying to persuade people that Labour handed over an economy in good shape is probably an even harder task than trying to persuade Scots to vote for them.0 -
The BBC and the BBC's political output is led by Tories.Pulpstar said:
The BBC fundamentally wants a Labour win, except a few Conservatives there. BBC Scotland is very Labour indeedlogical_song said:
... or even one newspaper having two different views.Charles said:
I was just going to raise that: the Beeb getting very twitterpated about the idea that two newspapers could have two different views.logical_song said:The Sun campaigning for the Tories in England/Wales and for the SNP in Scotland.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/04/sun-says-stop-snp-scottish-sun-says-back-snp
Fundamentally, it's an ABL position by Rupert Murdoch...0 -
Farage isn't a shoo-in, but I'd be surprised if he lost.DavidL said:
Not according to Election Forecast (who could be wrong of course). Tories by 4. Personally, I think that is quite likely. UKIP have not had a great campaign struggling to be heard above the noise.Pulpstar said:
South Thanet is a UKIP gain.DavidL said:Election Forecast has Dumfries & Galloway with Labour (current holders) on 31%, Tories on 31% and SNP on 32%. Must be one of the closest three ways in the whole country, certainly closer than South Thanet is likely to be. Less a question of were you up for and more a question of had you had your tea before I think.
The other slightly odd thing about the seat allocations in Election Forecast is that as far as I can see they are only predicting about 13 Tory gains. This looks very low to me but they seem to be assuming a lot more Lib Dems are going to hang on in the SW than most.
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The last ComRes (Con +4) was based on a sample that identified as Lab +1.surbiton said:Comres: bad for Tories.
Must be a methodological change. It can't be because Tory support is falling.
This ComRes (Tie) is based on a sample that identifies as Lab +7.
Considering that, it's not bad for the Tories.
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Hanretty has a big caveat on his methodology for UKIP and very high profile candidates.DavidL said:
Not according to Election Forecast (who could be wrong of course). Tories by 4. Personally, I think that is quite likely. UKIP have not had a great campaign struggling to be heard above the noise.Pulpstar said:
South Thanet is a UKIP gain.DavidL said:Election Forecast has Dumfries & Galloway with Labour (current holders) on 31%, Tories on 31% and SNP on 32%. Must be one of the closest three ways in the whole country, certainly closer than South Thanet is likely to be. Less a question of were you up for and more a question of had you had your tea before I think.
The other slightly odd thing about the seat allocations in Election Forecast is that as far as I can see they are only predicting about 13 Tory gains. This looks very low to me but they seem to be assuming a lot more Lib Dems are going to hang on in the SW than most.0 -
ROFLMAO!!DecrepitJohnL said:
Voters don't realise George Osborne killed Labour's recovery, flat-lined the economy for a couple of years, then abandoned Plan A, stimulated the only bit of the economy that did not need stimulating (house-prices) and doubled government debt.Casino_Royale said:
What Cameron is relying on, IMHO, is voters pencils in key marginal seats hesitating and hovering over the "Labour" box on Thursday next week and deciding, at the last moment, 'nah, too risky' and to tick the "Conservative" box instead*SMukesh said:Get your gas masks on.
Cameron wants the Tories to have massive fart over the next week.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/29/david-cameron-time-for-tory-campaign-let-rip-final-week-election-conservatives
*Probably applies more to UKIP/Lib Dem voters, to be fair, as the number of Con-Lab floaters is marginal.
He might be right. I simply don't know. I'd like to think the British electorate were sensible and practical people. But I don't think many people realise what a parlous state the country and its finances are still in.0 -
I agree too. Very good post.JosiasJessop said:Can I just add my voice to the chorus of those commending KLE's post from last night re. the British identity?
A truly excellent post.0 -
Ipsos Mori are releasing their poll at this event, so presume we should hear between 830 and 930: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/newsevents/events/156/Ipsos-MORI-General-Election-Briefing-The-Final-Week.aspx
Anyone there?0 -
Predictable: Excuses, excuses........Tory excuses. How can we blame the BBC for this ?acf2310 said:
The last ComRes (Con +4) was based on a sample that identified as Lab +1.surbiton said:Comres: bad for Tories.
Must be a methodological change. It can't be because Tory support is falling.
This ComRes (Tie) is based on a sample that identifies as Lab +7.
Considering that, it's not bad for the Tories.0 -
Tories haven't recovered either.Gadfly said:YouGov polls show that Labour’s support had been falling since the May 2012 local elections. This gradual decline terminated in a drop immediately following the autumn party conference. I find it intriguing that notwithstanding the election campaign, with all of the associated TV appearances and political promises, that the party has never recovered that pre-conference level of support. I also notice that the party’s support been slipping for the last 7 data points. Click to enlarge...
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hear hearCasino_Royale said:
ROFLMAO!!DecrepitJohnL said:
Voters don't realise George Osborne killed Labour's recovery, flat-lined the economy for a couple of years, then abandoned Plan A, stimulated the only bit of the economy that did not need stimulating (house-prices) and doubled government debt.Casino_Royale said:
What Cameron is relying on, IMHO, is voters pencils in key marginal seats hesitating and hovering over the "Labour" box on Thursday next week and deciding, at the last moment, 'nah, too risky' and to tick the "Conservative" box instead*SMukesh said:Get your gas masks on.
Cameron wants the Tories to have massive fart over the next week.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/29/david-cameron-time-for-tory-campaign-let-rip-final-week-election-conservatives
*Probably applies more to UKIP/Lib Dem voters, to be fair, as the number of Con-Lab floaters is marginal.
He might be right. I simply don't know. I'd like to think the British electorate were sensible and practical people. But I don't think many people realise what a parlous state the country and its finances are still in.0 -
The Lib Dems are truly testing the theory that if you stand for nothing you will fall for nothing.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Liberal Democrat Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander has said the Conservatives proposed to "slash" child benefit while the two parties were in government together."
Lib Dems reinforce their image as duplicituous untrustworthy bar stewards urinating on anyone who was a previous partner.0 -
Party I/D isn't the same thing as past vote. Most polls that ask the question tend to find more people identifying as Labour than Conservative. It's best to look at ComRes' results as a range. The range is a Conservative lead of 0-4%. The Conservatives have led in five Com Res polls this year, and tied in two.acf2310 said:
The last ComRes (Con +4) was based on a sample that identified as Lab +1.surbiton said:Comres: bad for Tories.
Must be a methodological change. It can't be because Tory support is falling.
This ComRes (Tie) is based on a sample that identifies as Lab +7.
Considering that, it's not bad for the Tories.0 -
"I know life would be different for all of us if we lived under a Labour government"MattW said:Talking of urinating on barstewards, this is a leaflet received yesterday from HM Gloria de Piero gently urinating on Geoff Hoon the previous Labour MP for Ashfield 1992-2010.
https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/593406497272549377
I agree. It'd be even worse.0 -
Labour spent massively and reduced tax to engineer as best they could a pre election boomSean_F said:
Labour's what?DecrepitJohnL said:
Voters don't realise George Osborne killed Labour's recovery, flat-lined the economy for a couple of years, then abandoned Plan A, stimulated the only bit of the economy that did not need stimulating (house-prices) and doubled government debt.Casino_Royale said:
What Cameron is relying on, IMHO, is voters pencils in key marginal seats hesitating and hovering over the "Labour" box on Thursday next week and deciding, at the last moment, 'nah, too risky' and to tick the "Conservative" box instead*SMukesh said:Get your gas masks on.
Cameron wants the Tories to have massive fart over the next week.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/29/david-cameron-time-for-tory-campaign-let-rip-final-week-election-conservatives
*Probably applies more to UKIP/Lib Dem voters, to be fair, as the number of Con-Lab floaters is marginal.
He might be right. I simply don't know. I'd like to think the British electorate were sensible and practical people. But I don't think many people realise what a parlous state the country and its finances are still in.
Trying to persuade people that Labour handed over an economy in good shape is probably an even harder task than trying to persuade Scots to vote for them.0 -
The Libs are behaving like they'll have a choice of coalition partners. They won't, unless they suddenly learn to love the SNP. Their best hope is being relevant to one of the Tories or Labour.0
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I think Gloria would do quite well out of it. Not convinced that anyone else would though!Casino_Royale said:
"I know life would be different for all of us if we lived under a Labour government"MattW said:Talking of urinating on barstewards, this is a leaflet received yesterday from HM Gloria de Piero gently urinating on Geoff Hoon the previous Labour MP for Ashfield 1992-2010.
https://twitter.com/mattwardman/status/593406497272549377
I agree. It'd be even worse.0 -
LOL, How desperate can the Tories get in ScotlandTGOHF said:@RuthDavidsonMSP: Warm cuddly civic nationalism... http://t.co/pljoXFt8Q0
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Why do all Lab leaflets use those horrible fake-handwriting fonts?
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35% for Labour is too high in my opinion.0
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surbiton said:
Comres: bad for Tories.
Must be a methodological change. It can't be because Tory support is falling.
It could be just MoE. They will happen for any pollster.surbiton said:Comres: bad for Tories.
Must be a methodological change. It can't be because Tory support is falling.
The polls this week has shown a small, but fairly consistent and discernible, shift to the Tories.0 -
I am truly perplexed by the logic of this stance from Danny and by extention Nick - they both need Helpful Tories to vote tactically to save them from Labour or the SNP.
And they do this? With an old crap policy paper? That was collectively rejected?
What am I missing except the smell of desperation and shouts of Look Look Evil Tories!!Casino_Royale said:
The Lib Dems are truly testing the theory that if you stand for nothing you will fall for nothing.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Liberal Democrat Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander has said the Conservatives proposed to "slash" child benefit while the two parties were in government together."
Lib Dems reinforce their image as duplicituous untrustworthy bar stewards urinating on anyone who was a previous partner.0 -
Four Global Forces Changing the World:
1. Beyond Shanghai: The Age of Urbanization
2. The Tip of the Iceberg: Accelerating Technological Change
3. Getting Old is What it Used To Be: Responding to the Challenges of an Aging World
4. Trade, People, Finance and Data: Greater Global Connections
Taken from:
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Published 12 May 2015 by Public Affairs
http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/strategy/The_four_global_forces_breaking_all_the_trends?cid=other-eml-alt-mgi-mck-oth-1504
This is totally beyond the comprehension of most of our politicians - no wonder EdM had to consult with Russell Brand for advice on such matters.0 -
I hear that the Tory BattleBus (50 activists doing 12 hours campaigning in a series of marginals) will spend today in Broxtowe.0
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They are sub-brands of one umbrella brand. Each targeting very different markets, so naturally they want to optimise the commercial outcome from their positioning.logical_song said:
... or even one newspaper having two different views.Charles said:
I was just going to raise that: the Beeb getting very twitterpated about the idea that two newspapers could have two different views.logical_song said:The Sun campaigning for the Tories in England/Wales and for the SNP in Scotland.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/04/sun-says-stop-snp-scottish-sun-says-back-snp
Fundamentally, it's an ABL position by Rupert Murdoch...0 -
They'll all be blues for palmer by the day is done..acf2310 said:I hear that the Tory BattleBus (50 activists doing 12 hours campaigning in a series of marginals) will spend today in Broxtowe.
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Having read what some LD MPs are saying right now, they do seem to be suffering from false consciousness and throwing a lot of weight/demands around.
Will there be any Orange Bookers left on May 8th? The Red Liberals seem much happier in Opposition whatever the maths says.acf2310 said:The Libs are behaving like they'll have a choice of coalition partners. They won't, unless they suddenly learn to love the SNP. Their best hope is being relevant to one of the Tories or Labour.
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Presumably they will categorically deny they plan to do it during the next Parliament too. And if they are in Coalition with the LDS we can then be sure it will not happen, as both parties are clearly opposed.Financier said:
According to the Beeb on R4 Today, this was part of a 2012 treasury briefing paper which also looked at only giving benefit to the first two children or reduced benefit for the first child (when child allowance was brought in first, there was no benefit for the first child). Apparently these suggestions were rejected by the PM and DPM and by the cabinet.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Liberal Democrat Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander has said the Conservatives proposed to "slash" child benefit while the two parties were in government together."
Lib Dems reinforce their image as duplicituous untrustworthy bar stewards urinating on anyone who was a previous partner.
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I withdraw my aspersions against Chicken Dave and his ordinary Scot-ophobia. It appears that oiks from all over this sceptred isle put the wind up him.RobD said:He should be out on his soapbox facing the public.
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The only trend that matters for us is Africa's population explosion to 4bn by the end of this century and the impact this will have on Europe.Financier said:Four Global Forces Changing the World:
1. Beyond Shanghai: The Age of Urbanization
2. The Tip of the Iceberg: Accelerating Technological Change
3. Getting Old is What it Used To Be: Responding to the Challenges of an Aging World
4. Trade, People, Finance and Data: Greater Global Connections
Taken from:
No Ordinary Disruption: The Four Global Forces Breaking All The Trends:
Published 12 May 2015 by Public Affairs
http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/strategy/The_four_global_forces_breaking_all_the_trends?cid=other-eml-alt-mgi-mck-oth-1504
This is totally beyond the comprehension of most of our politicians - no wonder EdM had to consult with Russell Brand for advice on such matters.0 -
Not as desperate as the Nats whose vocabulary appears to be limited to 'fat' and 'dyke'.malcolmg said:
LOL, How desperate can the Tories get in ScotlandTGOHF said:@RuthDavidsonMSP: Warm cuddly civic nationalism... http://t.co/pljoXFt8Q0
Frankly we're used to a much better class of invective.....0 -
They are the only party except the SNP gaining support in Scotland. With labour decimated for a generation they will become the main opposition in time and very ably led by Ruth Davidsonmalcolmg said:
LOL, How desperate can the Tories get in ScotlandTGOHF said:@RuthDavidsonMSP: Warm cuddly civic nationalism... http://t.co/pljoXFt8Q0
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LOL, How desperate can the Tories get in ScotlandTGOHF said:@RuthDavidsonMSP: Warm cuddly civic nationalism... http://t.co/pljoXFt8Q0
Dear Dear Harry , how jingoistic can you get , state sponsored Britishness.TGOHF said:
You missed the Olympics ? The nation as one waving what you call "the butchers apron" ?Dair said:
British is pretty much a distinct identity of about half of Northern Ireland and a small portion of WCS.KentRising said:
Guess it depends on whether you see yourself as British first and then English, or English first and then British.Dair said:
I read this sometimes. But I don't get it.kle4 said:
I will be emotionally devastated by the end of the union but I am resigned to that. But it doesn't matter whether I would prefer Con break away or not - I merely laid out why I cannot see it happening if it has not already. I don't think an SNP-Lab alliance necessarily need be as destructive as the worst case scenarios put it, though with the sides needing to fight hard at HolyRood very soon it does not encourage a peaceful arrangement to say the least. And that is more pressing. With the SNP winning a landslide the union is already dead - I cannot see them making the mistakes of PQ in Canada - so its about management of the nation in other ways now. I don't think Ed M would be a disastrous PM, I think his hands will be too constrained to be one, but though I am one of those oddballs who did agree with the austerity agenda and was angry the Tories failed in their plan for it, so I do have some trepidation about throwing caution to the wind.
Why would you be devastated by the end of the Union? Were you devastated by Partition (either)? Were you devastated by the "loss" of Rhodesia? I don't get it.
England is England with English people. Be happy to be English. Stop expecting and requiring other nations to prop up your importance in the world. Be happy with what and who you are, stop requiring Scotland to prop you up.
I'm in the latter camp, and am entirely relaxed with the idea of an independent England, or at least Scotland going its own way. The status quo is untenable, but some are in denial and think it will all go away eventually.0 -
Has @No_Offence_Alan posted recently? IIRC he's an Englishman in Scotland and a LD voter. Be interesting to hear his anecdotes.0
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Re Mori - my benchmark:
"is that it" Tories 3% or less lead
"corker" - Tories 4% or more ahead
"harry-kane" - Tories 40% or above
"TPD" - Labour in 20's0 -
Gordon Brown is going to love living in SNP Scotland. Oh, the irony....
"When I was a boy, I listened as my father - a Presbyterian minister who gave me my moral compass and sound political judgement - extolled the virtues of nationalism.
LOL.0 -
I would be very happy if they turned round and said they were going to limit it to two children. Mind you as a higher rate tax payer I have already lost it but don't consider that a bad thing at all.SouthamObserver said:
Presumably they will categorically deny they plan to do it during the next Parliament too. And if they are in Coalition with the LDS we can then be sure it will not happen, as both parties are clearly opposed.Financier said:
According to the Beeb on R4 Today, this was part of a 2012 treasury briefing paper which also looked at only giving benefit to the first two children or reduced benefit for the first child (when child allowance was brought in first, there was no benefit for the first child). Apparently these suggestions were rejected by the PM and DPM and by the cabinet.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Liberal Democrat Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander has said the Conservatives proposed to "slash" child benefit while the two parties were in government together."
Lib Dems reinforce their image as duplicituous untrustworthy bar stewards urinating on anyone who was a previous partner.0 -
Book (Hardback) available from Amazon at £15.90 on 28 May and Kindle edition at £12.34 on May12.FalseFlag said:
The only trend that matters for us is Africa's population explosion to 4bn by the end of this century and the impact this will have on Europe.Financier said:Four Global Forces Changing the World:
1. Beyond Shanghai: The Age of Urbanization
2. The Tip of the Iceberg: Accelerating Technological Change
3. Getting Old is What it Used To Be: Responding to the Challenges of an Aging World
4. Trade, People, Finance and Data: Greater Global Connections
Taken from:
No Ordinary Disruption: The Four Global Forces Breaking All The Trends:
Published 12 May 2015 by Public Affairs
http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/strategy/The_four_global_forces_breaking_all_the_trends?cid=other-eml-alt-mgi-mck-oth-1504
This is totally beyond the comprehension of most of our politicians - no wonder EdM had to consult with Russell Brand for advice on such matters.0 -
It'd be fascinating to know how donations were allocated by region for each Party. Both monies in and out.
The Tories have IIRC 5 Battlebus regional hubs - anyone know what LHQ are doing? Or the LDs?
It's been very quiet on that front on here.Big_G_NorthWales said:
They are the only party except the SNP gaining support in Scotland. With labour decimated for a generation they will become the main opposition in time and very ably led by Ruth Davidsonmalcolmg said:
LOL, How desperate can the Tories get in ScotlandTGOHF said:@RuthDavidsonMSP: Warm cuddly civic nationalism... http://t.co/pljoXFt8Q0
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Neither do most economists - apart from Danny '5 million unemployed' Blanchflower.......DecrepitJohnL said:
Voters don't realise George Osborne killed Labour's recoveryCasino_Royale said:
What Cameron is relying on, IMHO, is voters pencils in key marginal seats hesitating and hovering over the "Labour" box on Thursday next week and deciding, at the last moment, 'nah, too risky' and to tick the "Conservative" box instead*SMukesh said:Get your gas masks on.
Cameron wants the Tories to have massive fart over the next week.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/29/david-cameron-time-for-tory-campaign-let-rip-final-week-election-conservatives
*Probably applies more to UKIP/Lib Dem voters, to be fair, as the number of Con-Lab floaters is marginal.
He might be right. I simply don't know. I'd like to think the British electorate were sensible and practical people. But I don't think many people realise what a parlous state the country and its finances are still in.
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Good morning, fellow voters.
ComRes provides a little ray of sunshine for Labour. I think the blues are in a better position, though it's very tight.0 -
Eh? They are currently 3 points up on their pre-conference level, they have surpassed their post-conference peak during the campaign, and they are currently trending upwards as opposed to downwards.surbiton said:
Tories haven't recovered either.Gadfly said:YouGov polls show that Labour’s support had been falling since the May 2012 local elections. This gradual decline terminated in a drop immediately following the autumn party conference. I find it intriguing that notwithstanding the election campaign, with all of the associated TV appearances and political promises, that the party has never recovered that pre-conference level of support. I also notice that the party’s support been slipping for the last 7 data points. Click to enlarge...
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It's a shame that your excellent £10 For Balls candidate didn't stand again - an inspired chappy IMO.
Sure he's doing well in his current career.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, fellow voters.
ComRes provides a little ray of sunshine for Labour. I think the blues are in a better position, though it's very tight.0 -
I think the trend that REALLY matters is the central bank driven explosion of debt and fiat currency debauchery. We're heading for a huge bursting of the bubble in equities and govt debt - and the depression that will bring in its wake. We've become adjusted to a financial system that survives on borrowing to spend. This is not sustainable. 'The Fed has become the fundamentals' is no way to run the world The 4 waves of Financier's post are entirely valid - but we're going to go through 2008 on steroids before that. All the bullshit that politicians obsess over is going to become a trifling side-show to this massive retrenchment. The societies of the advanced welfare states are going to go through a deep 'does not compute' mental readjustment - especially the lefties.FalseFlag said:
The only trend that matters for us is Africa's population explosion to 4bn by the end of this century and the impact this will have on Europe.Financier said:Four Global Forces Changing the World:
1. Beyond Shanghai: The Age of Urbanization
2. The Tip of the Iceberg: Accelerating Technological Change
3. Getting Old is What it Used To Be: Responding to the Challenges of an Aging World
4. Trade, People, Finance and Data: Greater Global Connections
Taken from:
No Ordinary Disruption: The Four Global Forces Breaking All The Trends:
Published 12 May 2015 by Public Affairs
http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/strategy/The_four_global_forces_breaking_all_the_trends?cid=other-eml-alt-mgi-mck-oth-1504
This is totally beyond the comprehension of most of our politicians - no wonder EdM had to consult with Russell Brand for advice on such matters.0 -
Why should that matter ? We all came out of Africa !Financier said:
Book (Hardback) available from Amazon at £15.90 on 28 May and Kindle edition at £12.34 on May12.FalseFlag said:
The only trend that matters for us is Africa's population explosion to 4bn by the end of this century and the impact this will have on Europe.Financier said:Four Global Forces Changing the World:
1. Beyond Shanghai: The Age of Urbanization
2. The Tip of the Iceberg: Accelerating Technological Change
3. Getting Old is What it Used To Be: Responding to the Challenges of an Aging World
4. Trade, People, Finance and Data: Greater Global Connections
Taken from:
No Ordinary Disruption: The Four Global Forces Breaking All The Trends:
Published 12 May 2015 by Public Affairs
http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/strategy/The_four_global_forces_breaking_all_the_trends?cid=other-eml-alt-mgi-mck-oth-1504
This is totally beyond the comprehension of most of our politicians - no wonder EdM had to consult with Russell Brand for advice on such matters.0 -
On Britishness, malc, which of these is a bit of arbitrary bollocks and which is a fact of nature:malcolmg said:
LOL, How desperate can the Tories get in ScotlandTGOHF said:@RuthDavidsonMSP: Warm cuddly civic nationalism... http://t.co/pljoXFt8Q0
Dear Dear Harry , how jingoistic can you get , state sponsored Britishness.TGOHF said:
You missed the Olympics ? The nation as one waving what you call "the butchers apron" ?Dair said:
British is pretty much a distinct identity of about half of Northern Ireland and a small portion of WCS.KentRising said:
Guess it depends on whether you see yourself as British first and then English, or English first and then British.Dair said:
I read this sometimes. But I don't get it.kle4 said:
I will be emotionally devastated by the end of the union but I am resigned to that. But it doesn't matter whether I would prefer Con break away or not - I merely laid out why I cannot see it happening if it has not already. I don't think an SNP-Lab alliance necessarily need be as destructive as the worst case scenarios put it, though with the sides needing to fight hard at HolyRood very soon it does not encourage a peaceful arrangement to say the least. And that is more pressing. With the SNP winning a landslide the union is already dead - I cannot see them making the mistakes of PQ in Canada - so its about management of the nation in other ways now. I don't think Ed M would be a disastrous PM, I think his hands will be too constrained to be one, but though I am one of those oddballs who did agree with the austerity agenda and was angry the Tories failed in their plan for it, so I do have some trepidation about throwing caution to the wind.
Why would you be devastated by the end of the Union? Were you devastated by Partition (either)? Were you devastated by the "loss" of Rhodesia? I don't get it.
England is England with English people. Be happy to be English. Stop expecting and requiring other nations to prop up your importance in the world. Be happy with what and who you are, stop requiring Scotland to prop you up.
I'm in the latter camp, and am entirely relaxed with the idea of an independent England, or at least Scotland going its own way. The status quo is untenable, but some are in denial and think it will all go away eventually.
1. drawing a line on a map, and putting up a sign where the M6 crosses it saying gobble gobble na Alba, and btw it's the M74 now;
2. the Atlantic Ocean?
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Thought it was absolute crapSunil_Prasannan said:Watched "Newzoids" on ITV at 9pm tonight, basically a CGI version of Spitting Image. A bit hit and miss but there were a few funny sketches, eg. Lord Sugar asking Ed, Yvette and Ed to design a new Labour logo
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Quite so.Sean_F said:
Farage isn't a shoo-in, but I'd be surprised if he lost.DavidL said:
Not according to Election Forecast (who could be wrong of course). Tories by 4. Personally, I think that is quite likely. UKIP have not had a great campaign struggling to be heard above the noise.Pulpstar said:
South Thanet is a UKIP gain.DavidL said:Election Forecast has Dumfries & Galloway with Labour (current holders) on 31%, Tories on 31% and SNP on 32%. Must be one of the closest three ways in the whole country, certainly closer than South Thanet is likely to be. Less a question of were you up for and more a question of had you had your tea before I think.
The other slightly odd thing about the seat allocations in Election Forecast is that as far as I can see they are only predicting about 13 Tory gains. This looks very low to me but they seem to be assuming a lot more Lib Dems are going to hang on in the SW than most.
I expect a solid win for Farage. No dramas or recounts and probably a pub crawl around Thanet South on Friday.
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Didn't you say here quite recently that your firm no longer offers jobs to new immigrants? Or was that my imagination?surbiton said:
Why should that matter ? We all came out of Africa !Financier said:
Book (Hardback) available from Amazon at £15.90 on 28 May and Kindle edition at £12.34 on May12.FalseFlag said:
The only trend that matters for us is Africa's population explosion to 4bn by the end of this century and the impact this will have on Europe.Financier said:Four Global Forces Changing the World:
1. Beyond Shanghai: The Age of Urbanization
2. The Tip of the Iceberg: Accelerating Technological Change
3. Getting Old is What it Used To Be: Responding to the Challenges of an Aging World
4. Trade, People, Finance and Data: Greater Global Connections
Taken from:
No Ordinary Disruption: The Four Global Forces Breaking All The Trends:
Published 12 May 2015 by Public Affairs
http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/strategy/The_four_global_forces_breaking_all_the_trends?cid=other-eml-alt-mgi-mck-oth-1504
This is totally beyond the comprehension of most of our politicians - no wonder EdM had to consult with Russell Brand for advice on such matters.0 -
Then most economists should learn to read graphs, or helpful hand-gestures from the Shadow Chancellor.CarlottaVance said:
Neither do most economists - apart from Danny '5 million unemployed' Blanchflower.......DecrepitJohnL said:
Voters don't realise George Osborne killed Labour's recoveryCasino_Royale said:
What Cameron is relying on, IMHO, is voters pencils in key marginal seats hesitating and hovering over the "Labour" box on Thursday next week and deciding, at the last moment, 'nah, too risky' and to tick the "Conservative" box instead*SMukesh said:Get your gas masks on.
Cameron wants the Tories to have massive fart over the next week.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/29/david-cameron-time-for-tory-campaign-let-rip-final-week-election-conservatives
*Probably applies more to UKIP/Lib Dem voters, to be fair, as the number of Con-Lab floaters is marginal.
He might be right. I simply don't know. I'd like to think the British electorate were sensible and practical people. But I don't think many people realise what a parlous state the country and its finances are still in.0 -
No, I didn't say that. We have not employed anyone with a work permit lately. That does not mean we would not employ one.
We have employed 1 Italian and 2 persons of Indian extraction this year. I do not know if they would count as "immigrant" in your sniff test.Plato said:Didn't you say here quite recently that your firm no longer offers jobs to new immigrants? Or was that my imagination?
surbiton said:
Why should that matter ? We all came out of Africa !Financier said:
Book (Hardback) available from Amazon at £15.90 on 28 May and Kindle edition at £12.34 on May12.FalseFlag said:
The only trend that matters for us is Africa's population explosion to 4bn by the end of this century and the impact this will have on Europe.Financier said:Four Global Forces Changing the World:
1. Beyond Shanghai: The Age of Urbanization
2. The Tip of the Iceberg: Accelerating Technological Change
3. Getting Old is What it Used To Be: Responding to the Challenges of an Aging World
4. Trade, People, Finance and Data: Greater Global Connections
Taken from:
No Ordinary Disruption: The Four Global Forces Breaking All The Trends:
Published 12 May 2015 by Public Affairs
http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/strategy/The_four_global_forces_breaking_all_the_trends?cid=other-eml-alt-mgi-mck-oth-1504
This is totally beyond the comprehension of most of our politicians - no wonder EdM had to consult with Russell Brand for advice on such matters.0 -
As evidenced by your family tree?surbiton said:
Why should that matter ? We all came out of Africa !Financier said:
Book (Hardback) available from Amazon at £15.90 on 28 May and Kindle edition at £12.34 on May12.FalseFlag said:
The only trend that matters for us is Africa's population explosion to 4bn by the end of this century and the impact this will have on Europe.Financier said:Four Global Forces Changing the World:
1. Beyond Shanghai: The Age of Urbanization
2. The Tip of the Iceberg: Accelerating Technological Change
3. Getting Old is What it Used To Be: Responding to the Challenges of an Aging World
4. Trade, People, Finance and Data: Greater Global Connections
Taken from:
No Ordinary Disruption: The Four Global Forces Breaking All The Trends:
Published 12 May 2015 by Public Affairs
http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/strategy/The_four_global_forces_breaking_all_the_trends?cid=other-eml-alt-mgi-mck-oth-1504
This is totally beyond the comprehension of most of our politicians - no wonder EdM had to consult with Russell Brand for advice on such matters.0 -
You're missing than this is a competitive General Election and not a coupon election.Plato said:I am truly perplexed by the logic of this stance from Danny and by extention Nick - they both need Helpful Tories to vote tactically to save them from Labour or the SNP.
And they do this? With an old crap policy paper? That was collectively rejected?
What am I missing except the smell of desperation and shouts of Look Look Evil Tories!!Casino_Royale said:
The Lib Dems are truly testing the theory that if you stand for nothing you will fall for nothing.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Liberal Democrat Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander has said the Conservatives proposed to "slash" child benefit while the two parties were in government together."
Lib Dems reinforce their image as duplicituous untrustworthy bar stewards urinating on anyone who was a previous partner.
Think of it as a lovers tiff but with the potential for a post election reconciliation .... where I am reliably informed that such events usually lend themselves to sensational sex .... much rustling in the Downing Street Rose Garden !! ....
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Have you not noticed their slide between days 57 and 65 ?Gadfly said:
Eh? They are currently 3 points up on their pre-conference level, they have surpassed their post-conference peak during the campaign, and they are currently trending upwards as opposed to downwards.surbiton said:
Tories haven't recovered either.Gadfly said:YouGov polls show that Labour’s support had been falling since the May 2012 local elections. This gradual decline terminated in a drop immediately following the autumn party conference. I find it intriguing that notwithstanding the election campaign, with all of the associated TV appearances and political promises, that the party has never recovered that pre-conference level of support. I also notice that the party’s support been slipping for the last 7 data points. Click to enlarge...
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Yeah, I'm not voting Lib Dem now, Clegg can go whistle.
In fact, I might even vote Labour.0 -
These donkeys are running the country, I would not trust them to run a bath.Plato said:I am truly perplexed by the logic of this stance from Danny and by extention Nick - they both need Helpful Tories to vote tactically to save them from Labour or the SNP.
And they do this? With an old crap policy paper? That was collectively rejected?
What am I missing except the smell of desperation and shouts of Look Look Evil Tories!!Casino_Royale said:
The Lib Dems are truly testing the theory that if you stand for nothing you will fall for nothing.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Liberal Democrat Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander has said the Conservatives proposed to "slash" child benefit while the two parties were in government together."
Lib Dems reinforce their image as duplicituous untrustworthy bar stewards urinating on anyone who was a previous partner.0 -
Steady.TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah, I'm not voting Lib Dem now, Clegg can go whistle.
In fact, I might even vote Labour.0 -
Eh ?TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah, I'm not voting Lib Dem now, Clegg can go whistle.
In fact, I might even vote Labour.0 -
Gordon and his amazing moral compass...a rejected Viz cartoon strip.Fenster said:Gordon Brown is going to love living in SNP Scotland. Oh, the irony....
"When I was a boy, I listened as my father - a Presbyterian minister who gave me my moral compass and sound political judgement - extolled the virtues of nationalism.
LOL.
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But you can't reconcile if you're no longer available to court...
Hence myface at this tactic.
JackW said:
You're missing than this is a competitive General Election and not a coupon election.Plato said:I am truly perplexed by the logic of this stance from Danny and by extention Nick - they both need Helpful Tories to vote tactically to save them from Labour or the SNP.
And they do this? With an old crap policy paper? That was collectively rejected?
What am I missing except the smell of desperation and shouts of Look Look Evil Tories!!Casino_Royale said:
The Lib Dems are truly testing the theory that if you stand for nothing you will fall for nothing.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Liberal Democrat Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander has said the Conservatives proposed to "slash" child benefit while the two parties were in government together."
Lib Dems reinforce their image as duplicituous untrustworthy bar stewards urinating on anyone who was a previous partner.
Think of it as a lovers tiff but with the potential for a post election reconciliation .... where I am reliably informed that such events usually lend themselves to sensational sex .... much rustling in the Downing Street Rose Garden !! ....0 -
The news is: there is no news. The polls are pretty much where they were at the beginning of the campaign. The wheels have fallen off Labour in Scotland, LDs have failed to get any recovery, UKIP have failed to get much traction.Morris_Dancer said:Good morning, fellow voters.
ComRes provides a little ray of sunshine for Labour. I think the blues are in a better position, though it's very tight.
In England it is like watching a nil nil draw.0 -
Yours too, mate !Financier said:
As evidenced by your family tree?surbiton said:
Why should that matter ? We all came out of Africa !Financier said:
Book (Hardback) available from Amazon at £15.90 on 28 May and Kindle edition at £12.34 on May12.FalseFlag said:
The only trend that matters for us is Africa's population explosion to 4bn by the end of this century and the impact this will have on Europe.Financier said:Four Global Forces Changing the World:
1. Beyond Shanghai: The Age of Urbanization
2. The Tip of the Iceberg: Accelerating Technological Change
3. Getting Old is What it Used To Be: Responding to the Challenges of an Aging World
4. Trade, People, Finance and Data: Greater Global Connections
Taken from:
No Ordinary Disruption: The Four Global Forces Breaking All The Trends:
Published 12 May 2015 by Public Affairs
http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/strategy/The_four_global_forces_breaking_all_the_trends?cid=other-eml-alt-mgi-mck-oth-1504
This is totally beyond the comprehension of most of our politicians - no wonder EdM had to consult with Russell Brand for advice on such matters.0 -
Yes, we lost ours too, which was fair enough.Richard_Tyndall said:
I would be very happy if they turned round and said they were going to limit it to two children. Mind you as a higher rate tax payer I have already lost it but don't consider that a bad thing at all.SouthamObserver said:
Presumably they will categorically deny they plan to do it during the next Parliament too. And if they are in Coalition with the LDS we can then be sure it will not happen, as both parties are clearly opposed.Financier said:
According to the Beeb on R4 Today, this was part of a 2012 treasury briefing paper which also looked at only giving benefit to the first two children or reduced benefit for the first child (when child allowance was brought in first, there was no benefit for the first child). Apparently these suggestions were rejected by the PM and DPM and by the cabinet.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Liberal Democrat Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander has said the Conservatives proposed to "slash" child benefit while the two parties were in government together."
Lib Dems reinforce their image as duplicituous untrustworthy bar stewards urinating on anyone who was a previous partner.
The fact is that the spending promises the Tories are making, as well as their deficit reduction plans, mean that there will have to be some epic cuts that go way beyond hammering the relatively few members of the feckless, undeserving poor that we have out there. It is inconceivable that the Tories do not know what they are going to be targeting. It would be nice if they could let the electorate know before they election. If they don't, stories like Alexander's - who was, lest we forget - a member of the cabinet, the quad and number two at the Treasury for five years - is all we have to go on.
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Not prepared to forgive him and his just throwing around a lot of talk in order to save themselves without meaning it? It's like, he and Cameron had to have agreed at the debate that Clegg would attack him to some degree. He could be in trouble if he goes too far it seems though.TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah, I'm not voting Lib Dem now, Clegg can go whistle.
In fact, I might even vote Labour.
Thank you to those with the kind words this morning. And people say you cannot write things worthwhile while angry at midnight on the internet!0 -
Miss Plato, aye. The seat's likely to stay red, but it is in play.0
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Totally agree and there will be a mad rush for self sufficiency in energy and food that could bring back rationing. The UK government in control then (if we are not totally devolved with individual passports and customs posts at the Welsh and Scottish borders) will reject all immigration and could reject and emigrate those without a totally UK family history over the last 100 years.Patrick said:
I think the trend that REALLY matters is the central bank driven explosion of debt and fiat currency debauchery. We're heading for a huge bursting of the bubble in equities and govt debt - and the depression that will bring in its wake. We've become adjusted to a financial system that survives on borrowing to spend. This is not sustainable. 'The Fed has become the fundamentals' is no way to run the world The 4 waves of Financier's post are entirely valid - but we're going to go through 2008 on steroids before that. All the bullshit that politicians obsess over is going to become a trifling side-show to this massive retrenchment. The societies of the advanced welfare states are going to go through a deep 'does not compute' mental readjustment - especially the lefties.FalseFlag said:
The only trend that matters for us is Africa's population explosion to 4bn by the end of this century and the impact this will have on Europe.Financier said:Four Global Forces Changing the World:
1. Beyond Shanghai: The Age of Urbanization
2. The Tip of the Iceberg: Accelerating Technological Change
3. Getting Old is What it Used To Be: Responding to the Challenges of an Aging World
4. Trade, People, Finance and Data: Greater Global Connections
Taken from:
No Ordinary Disruption: The Four Global Forces Breaking All The Trends:
Published 12 May 2015 by Public Affairs
http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/strategy/The_four_global_forces_breaking_all_the_trends?cid=other-eml-alt-mgi-mck-oth-1504
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Eric Joyce seems to be the first Slabber to exit the denial stage
http://ericjoyce.co.uk/2015/04/scotlands-one-party-state/
"Scots are behaving in the way any nation gripped by nationalism does. Artists, poets and writers are gazing skywards and telling us of ‘a new start'; unionist opposition isn’t just disagreed with but routinely vilified. Few folk are listening to reason, because reason is too painful and these are difficult times."
"Perhaps it’s time for people in Scotland to start wondering if they want to live in a place where it can be seriously projected that a single party might take all of the seats at a general election, and where well-educated and intelligent people would actually celebrate such a state of affairs. Or maybe it’ll take a few years of independence before Scots are prepared to face up to reality.
The general historical trend with nationalism, I’m told, is the latter."0 -
Hadn't we been told that the Conservatives had given up in Broxtowe?acf2310 said:I hear that the Tory BattleBus (50 activists doing 12 hours campaigning in a series of marginals) will spend today in Broxtowe.
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May I add my 2p of Well Done too.
I was increasingly lost by @Dair's argument - and then he started on about Libertarians - and got that totally wrong too.kle4 said:
Not prepared to forgive him and his just throwing around a lot of talk in order to save themselves without meaning it? It's like, he and Cameron had to have agreed at the debate that Clegg would attack him to some degree. He could be in trouble if he goes too far it seems though.TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah, I'm not voting Lib Dem now, Clegg can go whistle.
In fact, I might even vote Labour.
Thank you to those with the kind words this morning. And people say you cannot write things worthwhile while angry at midnight on the internet!0 -
Ashfield really isn't. It's like a red Truro, Lib Dems in a close 2nd = big price on the incumbent. Who should really be 1-20 or so.Morris_Dancer said:Miss Plato, aye. The seat's likely to stay red, but it is in play.
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Danny Alexander's pretty much said he leaked a three year old document to ensure the PM gets embarrassed on Question Time tonight.kle4 said:
Not prepared to forgive him and his just throwing around a lot of talk in order to save themselves without meaning it? It's like, he and Cameron had to have agreed at the debate that Clegg would attack him to some degree. He could be in trouble if he goes too far it seems though.TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah, I'm not voting Lib Dem now, Clegg can go whistle.
In fact, I might even vote Labour.
Thank you to those with the kind words this morning. And people say you cannot write things worthwhile while angry at midnight on the internet!
The comfort from that I can draw is that the Lib Dems are in real trouble in their seats where the Tories are second. Yeovil nailed on Tory gain.
The Lib Dems should be punished for such perfidy.
Plus today's Times has an excellent article about how the Lib Dems kinda won't go into a coalition with the Tories again.0 -
Do you really want to become the "Traitorous Pig Dog" of Hallam ....TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah, I'm not voting Lib Dem now, Clegg can go whistle.
In fact, I might even vote Labour.
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Mine only goes back as far as coming over in 1066 as one of the Normans (Northmen) to bash the heads of the natives, which we did to the native Gauls previously.surbiton said:
Yours too, mate !Financier said:
As evidenced by your family tree?surbiton said:
Why should that matter ? We all came out of Africa !Financier said:
Book (Hardback) available from Amazon at £15.90 on 28 May and Kindle edition at £12.34 on May12.FalseFlag said:
The only trend that matters for us is Africa's population explosion to 4bn by the end of this century and the impact this will have on Europe.Financier said:Four Global Forces Changing the World:
1. Beyond Shanghai: The Age of Urbanization
2. The Tip of the Iceberg: Accelerating Technological Change
3. Getting Old is What it Used To Be: Responding to the Challenges of an Aging World
4. Trade, People, Finance and Data: Greater Global Connections
Taken from:
No Ordinary Disruption: The Four Global Forces Breaking All The Trends:
Published 12 May 2015 by Public Affairs
http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/strategy/The_four_global_forces_breaking_all_the_trends?cid=other-eml-alt-mgi-mck-oth-1504
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Britishness does not exist , it is fake.Ishmael_X said:
On Britishness, malc, which of these is a bit of arbitrary bollocks and which is a fact of nature:malcolmg said:
LOL, How desperate can the Tories get in ScotlandTGOHF said:@RuthDavidsonMSP: Warm cuddly civic nationalism... http://t.co/pljoXFt8Q0
Dear Dear Harry , how jingoistic can you get , state sponsored Britishness.TGOHF said:
You missed the Olympics ? The nation as one waving what you call "the butchers apron" ?Dair said:
British is pretty much a distinct identity of about half of Northern Ireland and a small portion of WCS.KentRising said:Dair said:
I read this sometimes. But I don't get it.kle4 said:
I will be emotionally devastated by the end of the union but I am resigned to that. But it doesn't matter whether I would prefer Con break away or not - I merely laid out why I cannot see it happening if it has not already. I don't think an SNP-Lab alliance necessarily need be as destructive as the worst case scenarios put it, though with the sides needing to fight hard at HolyRood very soon it does not encourage a peaceful arrangement to say the least. And that is more pressing. With the SNP winning a landslide the union is already dead - I cannot see them making the mistakes of PQ in Canada - so its about management of the nation in other ways
Why would you be devastated by the end of the Union? Were you devastated by Partition (either)? Were you devastated by the "loss" of Rhodesia? I don't get it.
England is England with English people. Be happy to be English. Stop expecting and requiring other nations to prop up your importance in the world. Be happy with what and who you are, stop requiring Scotland to prop you up.
1. drawing a line on a map, and putting up a sign where the M6 crosses it saying gobble gobble na Alba, and btw it's the M74 now;
2. the Atlantic Ocean?
1. I don't care where lines are
2. It has always been the A/M74
People accepted the fake construct when their was a pretence at least at fairness. Now it is just rich carpet baggers in London crapping on us , people have got fed up with it.
You can only crap on people for so long. Simple as that. Pretending the Olymipcs was some great British thing is crap , it was London's Olympics which we had to pay for and surprise surprise when we had the Commonwealth games , guess who had to pay for them all themselves , GB went out the window then and we paid twice as usual.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA5BM7CE5-8FalseFlag said:
The only trend that matters for us is Africa's population explosion to 4bn by the end of this century and the impact this will have on Europe.Financier said:Four Global Forces Changing the World:
1. Beyond Shanghai: The Age of Urbanization
2. The Tip of the Iceberg: Accelerating Technological Change
3. Getting Old is What it Used To Be: Responding to the Challenges of an Aging World
4. Trade, People, Finance and Data: Greater Global Connections
Taken from:
No Ordinary Disruption: The Four Global Forces Breaking All The Trends:
Published 12 May 2015 by Public Affairs
http://www.mckinsey.com/insights/strategy/The_four_global_forces_breaking_all_the_trends?cid=other-eml-alt-mgi-mck-oth-1504
This is totally beyond the comprehension of most of our politicians - no wonder EdM had to consult with Russell Brand for advice on such matters.0 -
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I spent a little time this morning skimming UKIPs 2010 and 2015 manifestos. Although I fundamentally disagree with some of their policies (that's shocked you!), there are some good ideas in there.
But the main difference is how much more professional the 2015 manifesto seems. As a whole I would not want it implemented, but it seems a much more coherent vision for government that the utterly laughable 2010 version.
Is this Carswell's influence showing through, or just the professionalism you get from a bigger party?0 -
Lewes will be under assault too before May 8th. I thought Mr Baker for all his UFO conspiracy novelty value would hang on, but it appears that the bohemian folk of Lewes are going Greenie or Tory instead.
To get Lewes back would be marvellous news for me - I love the place.JosiasJessop said:
Hadn't we been told that the Conservatives had given up in Broxtowe?acf2310 said:I hear that the Tory BattleBus (50 activists doing 12 hours campaigning in a series of marginals) will spend today in Broxtowe.
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Tories refusing interviews on child benefit cuts. Wonder why tonight's squirming and trying to avoid answering should be amusing0
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That will depend on the (seat) numbers of any potential divorce.Plato said:But you can't reconcile if you're no longer available to court...
Hence myface at this tactic.
JackW said:
You're missing than this is a competitive General Election and not a coupon election.Plato said:I am truly perplexed by the logic of this stance from Danny and by extention Nick - they both need Helpful Tories to vote tactically to save them from Labour or the SNP.
And they do this? With an old crap policy paper? That was collectively rejected?
What am I missing except the smell of desperation and shouts of Look Look Evil Tories!!Casino_Royale said:
The Lib Dems are truly testing the theory that if you stand for nothing you will fall for nothing.TCPoliticalBetting said:"Liberal Democrat Chief Secretary to the Treasury Danny Alexander has said the Conservatives proposed to "slash" child benefit while the two parties were in government together."
Lib Dems reinforce their image as duplicituous untrustworthy bar stewards urinating on anyone who was a previous partner.
Think of it as a lovers tiff but with the potential for a post election reconciliation .... where I am reliably informed that such events usually lend themselves to sensational sex .... much rustling in the Downing Street Rose Garden !! ....
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My friend is suggesting I draw a phallus on the ballot paper next to Nick Clegg's name.JackW said:
Do you really want to become the "Traitorous Pig Dog" of Hallam ....TheScreamingEagles said:Yeah, I'm not voting Lib Dem now, Clegg can go whistle.
In fact, I might even vote Labour.
Well it is kinda a mark indicating a clear preference for one candidate.0 -
Limit should be ONE, if they want any more children after that they should pay for it themselves.MattW said:
Hmm.surbiton said:
Sean, looks like you will end up voting Tory after all !Sean_F said:
Attempting to blame the Conservatives for SLAB's calamity is pathetic, though very much in character.dr_spyn said:
What a surprise to find that the Guardian story leads the front page of the BBC website.FrancisUrquhart said:
Wonder what the BBC will run tomorrow.TheScreamingEagles said:Bloody hell the Lib Dems must have some shocking private polling.
https://twitter.com/hendopolis/status/593524967666384897
I notice they didn't get their copy of the Times today at Beeboid towers.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32526461
Though I noticed that The Herald has Brown trying to copy The SNP to blame the Tories for Labour's feelings.
France pays nothing for the first child.
Ireland limits it to 2 children.
Italy pays nothing when income is over about 35k.
A trope ripe for questioning.
I'd support a limit of 3 children receiving CB.0