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Given the recent pronouncements of Nick Clegg ruling out the Lib Dems joining a Lab/SNP coalition and Vince Cable saying he could stomach another coalition with the Tories (though he would like George Osborne’s job) it might not be wise to back them, particularly based on projections/forecasts the numbers for a Con/Lib Dem coalition don’t look possible.
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Back Harpie.0
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Harman seems obvious unless I'm missing something. I think it's unlikely Ed would want to move her to a different ministerial position.0
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I hope the 'kle4 test' becomes a thing. It would have been better if I had a better user name though. My tagline used to be 'DedicatedFenceSitter', and the FenceSitter test would actually work. Oh well, what could have been.
On topic, agreed, SNP figures seems unlikely, so its between LDs, Lab or no one. I think Ed will have a deputy even if it is a Lab figure and not a coalition arrangement one. Why change his current one I guess?0 -
HICIDPM.
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Funny segment on Sunday Politics.
The summation of the postion in Scotland showed a brief soundbite from Nicola, Jackson Carlaw, Jim Murphy and Jo Swinson.
During Jim Murphy's piece, in the background you could clearly hear : -
"bawheid"
"yer a bawheid Murphy"
"nothing but a bawheid"
"bawheid"
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Agree. Has anyone worked out why we have one yet?0
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At least in a coalition in makes some kind of sense - the LDs did not on the basis on their seat numbers deserve a Great Office of State, and Clegg needed to maximise the cabinet positions he could assign to other party members, so making him DPM frees up a space he might have taken at a department, and recognises that, irrespective of departmental position, as the junior party leader he is an integral part of the government.Edit - people will say there is no power in the post, and that's true, but in this instance the point is being the junior party leader is important as even if in no position everything will need to go through you too, and the DPM position is a helpful non-important role to give an official position to that.DavidL said:Agree. Has anyone worked out why we have one yet?
For a non-coalition government, only useful as a formal recognition of a chief supporter I guess.
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IMO, Ed won't appoint a Deputy.0
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OGH for deputy PM! Oh, he's not standing? Thats a shame, but I suppose he doesn't want to be inside the bubble.
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Taking the job was Clegg’s first mistake.DavidL said:Agree. Has anyone worked out why we have one yet?
Which US VP said the job was like a bucket of cold p**s? Same applies.0 -
John Nance Garner, "not worth a bucket of warm piss"OldKingCole said:
Taking the job was Clegg’s first mistake.DavidL said:Agree. Has anyone worked out why we have one yet?
Which US VP said the job was like a bucket of cold p**s? Same applies.
I managed to put that quote into a PB thread header once.0 -
Dave getting passionate and campaigning in Yeovil0
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Yes he should have taken a department. Health probably. Couldn't have the FO because of the EU.OldKingCole said:
Taking the job was Clegg’s first mistake.DavidL said:Agree. Has anyone worked out why we have one yet?
Which US VP said the job was like a bucket of cold p**s? Same applies.0 -
Tory tails must be up in the SW - right for the heart of the Lib Dem position...TheScreamingEagles said:Dave getting passionate and campaigning in Yeovil
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Surely it was in Clegg's interest to have as many of his LD colleagues in senior positions as possible? He gets them to fill all of the departments they managed to negotiate for, locking them in to the coalition that much more tightly. He already has influence through his leadership of the party, so the title is just a formality.DavidL said:
Yes he should have taken a department. Health probably. Couldn't have the FO because of the EU.OldKingCole said:
Taking the job was Clegg’s first mistake.DavidL said:Agree. Has anyone worked out why we have one yet?
Which US VP said the job was like a bucket of cold p**s? Same applies.
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It's supposed to be a myth that politicians ever want to lose an election, but if I were Miliband I think I'd be quite happy if Cameron stays in Number 10 for the time being. It'd give people on the Left a chance to reflect and realise that if they want power they need to return to the Labour fold (at least until there's electoral reform). I think there'll be another general election within 12 months, and the 3rd/4th parties will get squeezed. And it'd give him a chance to resign with some dignity in order for the party to find a more electable leader.
OTOH, if Ed does sneak into Number 10 on May 7th, it will be a remarkable achievement indeed if he manages to govern effectively while standing up to Salmond and co. If he were to manage it, he'd stroll back into power at the following election, but is he man enough?0 -
With the LDs not likely in any case to have the seat numbers to make a second coalition viable, it would seem in the interest of the Tories to gain as many as they can from the LDs to go for most seats, even if it is most seats and destined for opposition.Pulpstar said:
Tory tails must be up in the SW - right for the heart of the Lib Dem position...TheScreamingEagles said:Dave getting passionate and campaigning in Yeovil
I don't think its a myth, so much as something people usually comfort themselves with when their side looks like they are going to lose anyway (though I grant this is not universally the case).Dadge said:It's supposed to be a myth that politicians ever want to lose an election
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FPT. GeoffM
"Only if there's an equivalent and suitable title for you tampon advertisers."
The Most Noble Order of the Sanitary Towel?0 -
How would the fav, no DPM, come about?0
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'It's a funny ol' elecrorial world init, guvner?' Ne'er mind, dem polls 've gorrit all worked out aint they?'kle4 said:
So some are saying the SNP prefer Cameron as PM as it helps with another IndyRef.RodCrosby said:Sturgeon: Miliband prefers Cameron as PM, rather than work with the SNP...
Sturgeon says Miliband would prefer Cameron as PM rather than work with the SNP.
Farage is said to prefer Cameron over Miliband as PM.
A Clegg run LDs would probably prefer Cameron as PM.
A lot of people seem to prefer Cameron as PM, it would be a shame for them to be all so disappointed.
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Geoff. I have made a decision for you. Based on the info you gave I have looked up the two candidates you were considering. The UKIP candidate is a Cardiff Uni alumni (my alma mater) so I think you have to vote for him even though he doesn't look old enough to shave :-)0 -
It is a fairly recent invention I think invented by Mrs T for her Willie. Was HH Deputy PM under Brown or was there no DPM?isam said:How would the fav, no DPM, come about?
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Minority Lab.isam said:How would the fav, no DPM, come about?
Any two-party coalition I suspect the leader of the second party will follow Clegg's precedence and take the title. Minority Lab and there's nobody who 'needs' to take it.0 -
Part of Clegg, and Cameron’s, problem was that the Tories wouldn’t have stood for such a pro-European as FS, and anyway it had been promised to Hague. The Chancellorship had been promised to Osborne, and not giving him something good would have caused major ructions. That leaves the Home Office as one of the Great Offices, and although I understand Heath offered it to Jeremy Thorpe (no, really) in Feb 1974 it’s generally considered a poisoned chalice.kle4 said:
Surely it was in Clegg's interest to have as many of his LD colleagues in senior positions as possible? He gets them to fill all of the departments they managed to negotiate for, locking them in to the coalition that much more tightly. He already has influence through his leadership of the party, so the title is just a formality.DavidL said:
Yes he should have taken a department. Health probably. Couldn't have the FO because of the EU.OldKingCole said:
Taking the job was Clegg’s first mistake.DavidL said:Agree. Has anyone worked out why we have one yet?
Which US VP said the job was like a bucket of cold p**s? Same applies.
Although May’s managed to stay the course.0 -
A pitcher of warm spit. LBJ's typically colourful opinion.OldKingCole said:
Taking the job was Clegg’s first mistake.DavidL said:Agree. Has anyone worked out why we have one yet?
Which US VP said the job was like a bucket of cold p**s? Same applies.0 -
Bah, the first Deputy PM was Clement Attlee in 1942.foxinsoxuk said:
It is a fairly recent invention I think invented by Mrs T for her Willie. Was HH Deputy PM under Brown or was there no DPM?isam said:How would the fav, no DPM, come about?
Clegg is the ninth person to hold the office, though it has been vacant for long periods at a time.
But if the current coalition ends, and there's a minority Govt, either Con or Lab, and they don't appoint a Deputy PM.
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It makes sense for coalition partner leader to be DPM rather than take an office for himself. Like the Prime Minister himself that then allows the DPM to keep his finger in every pie and manage his party accordingly rather than obsessing over just one issue.
If Clegg had taken eg Chief Secretary of the Treasury for himself then would he be able to also keep on top of the Lib-Dem priorities for Education, Health and all other departments not ran by LDs themselves?0 -
But since we dont live in a presidential system, and the Prime Minister is just first amongst equals, that doesnt hold true. Clegg has been at the very heart of this government.TheScreamingEagles said:
John Nance Garner, "not worth a bucket of warm piss"OldKingCole said:
Taking the job was Clegg’s first mistake.DavidL said:Agree. Has anyone worked out why we have one yet?
Which US VP said the job was like a bucket of cold p**s? Same applies.
I managed to put that quote into a PB thread header once.0 -
Is Attlee the only DPM to become PM? No one else springs to mind.TheScreamingEagles said:
Bah, the first Deputy PM was Clement Attlee in 1942.foxinsoxuk said:
It is a fairly recent invention I think invented by Mrs T for her Willie. Was HH Deputy PM under Brown or was there no DPM?isam said:How would the fav, no DPM, come about?
Clegg is the ninth person to hold the office, though it has been vacant for long periods at a time.
But if the current coalition ends, and there's a minority Govt, either Con or Lab, and they don't appoint a Deputy PM.0 -
I agree, I said winning the Euros was the equivalentnotme said:
But since we dont live in a presidential system, and the Prime Minister is just first amongst equals, that doesnt hold true. Clegg has been at the very heart of this government.TheScreamingEagles said:
John Nance Garner, "not worth a bucket of warm piss"OldKingCole said:
Taking the job was Clegg’s first mistake.DavidL said:Agree. Has anyone worked out why we have one yet?
Which US VP said the job was like a bucket of cold p**s? Same applies.
I managed to put that quote into a PB thread header once.
I’m sure oppositions view winning the European elections in the same way John Nance Garner viewed the American Vice-Presidency, “it is not worth a bucket of warm piss”
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Anthony Eden is the only other.foxinsoxuk said:
Is Attlee the only DPM to become PM? No one else springs to mind.TheScreamingEagles said:
Bah, the first Deputy PM was Clement Attlee in 1942.foxinsoxuk said:
It is a fairly recent invention I think invented by Mrs T for her Willie. Was HH Deputy PM under Brown or was there no DPM?isam said:How would the fav, no DPM, come about?
Clegg is the ninth person to hold the office, though it has been vacant for long periods at a time.
But if the current coalition ends, and there's a minority Govt, either Con or Lab, and they don't appoint a Deputy PM.0 -
Surely the most sure fire bet on the election is that Clegg wont survive as Lib Dem leader. The only possible circumstance would be if the Tories get near a majority and they need the twenty odd seats the Libs can provide but even then I'm sure the party would look for a new leader.0
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DPM to Churchill second time around?TheScreamingEagles said:
Anthony Eden is the only other.foxinsoxuk said:
Is Attlee the only DPM to become PM? No one else springs to mind.TheScreamingEagles said:
Bah, the first Deputy PM was Clement Attlee in 1942.foxinsoxuk said:
It is a fairly recent invention I think invented by Mrs T for her Willie. Was HH Deputy PM under Brown or was there no DPM?isam said:How would the fav, no DPM, come about?
Clegg is the ninth person to hold the office, though it has been vacant for long periods at a time.
But if the current coalition ends, and there's a minority Govt, either Con or Lab, and they don't appoint a Deputy PM.0 -
Mr. Roger, depends what time scale you're talking. If we have a Election 2: Elect Harder, Clegg would still be leader. If he keeps his seat.0
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Yup.foxinsoxuk said:
DPM to Churchill second time around?TheScreamingEagles said:
Anthony Eden is the only other.foxinsoxuk said:
Is Attlee the only DPM to become PM? No one else springs to mind.TheScreamingEagles said:
Bah, the first Deputy PM was Clement Attlee in 1942.foxinsoxuk said:
It is a fairly recent invention I think invented by Mrs T for her Willie. Was HH Deputy PM under Brown or was there no DPM?isam said:How would the fav, no DPM, come about?
Clegg is the ninth person to hold the office, though it has been vacant for long periods at a time.
But if the current coalition ends, and there's a minority Govt, either Con or Lab, and they don't appoint a Deputy PM.0 -
I think that if the LDs pull off an unfeasable 40+ seats then he could survive. Otherwise he is toast.Roger said:Surely the most sure fire bet on the election is that Clegg wont survive as Lib Dem leader. The only possible circumstance would be if the Tories get near a majority and they need the twenty odd seats the Libs can provide but even then I'm sure the party would look for a new leader.
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'Elect Harder' would actually be a great name for a second election this year - it would be the parties saying they'd heard what we'd said, and we were idiots who needed to try harder and do it again.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Roger, depends what time scale you're talking. If we have a Election 2: Elect Harder, Clegg would still be leader. If he keeps his seat.
I do think it unlikely Clegg will remain in post as LD leader for more than a week, post election. If they have the numbers to make a Tory coalition viable and he keeps his seat, maybe he stays in place for the look of it, before it is decided a deal won't be made. But more likely he resigns as soon as it is clear the LDs on their own cannot make any coalition viable.
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Once again 'Daily Politics' spent the last 10 minutes talking about the Conservatives/leadership again. Not a single comment about whether EdM will still be leader after the election.
Too much talk of conservative mps ringing up journalists last week 'whinging' about the campaign.
LISTEN ALL THOSE CONSERVATIVE MPS WHO READ THIS BLOG - SHUT UP. AS YOU HAVE SEEN TODAY, BORIS IS NOT THE STAR STRIKER, SO KEEP YOUR DISCIPLINE FOR GOODNESS SAKE.0 -
Exactly.notme said:
But since we dont live in a presidential system, and the Prime Minister is just first amongst equals, that doesnt hold true. Clegg has been at the very heart of this government.TheScreamingEagles said:
John Nance Garner, "not worth a bucket of warm piss"OldKingCole said:
Taking the job was Clegg’s first mistake.DavidL said:Agree. Has anyone worked out why we have one yet?
Which US VP said the job was like a bucket of cold p**s? Same applies.
I managed to put that quote into a PB thread header once.
Clegg's wielded tremendous power and authority this Parliament. Not for having responsibility for any single department by itself, but by commanding the Lib Dems and thus having essentially veto power over every department.
This made the role of DPM perfect for his position. Clegg has been the quintessential jack of all trades, master of none.0 -
Nichola Sturgeon. She is going to be running the show anyway .Or Stephanie Flanders.0
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OT. Its snowing bloody hard around Aberdeen at the moment. Not sure I would like to be pounding the pavements in this weather.
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Welcome to pb.com, Mr. Swan.0
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I
this YouGov poll, I got it today...
What do you think will be the most likely cause of the apocalypse?
Climate change
Worldwide revolution
Alien invasion
Judgement day
Nuclear war
Zombies
Something else
Don’t think there will be an apocalypse0 -
Miss Plato, no vampire option? Disappointing.
Mr. Tyndall, been odd in Yorkshire, very sunny, and warm when it's still, but the intermittent wind a few hours ago was icy.0 -
I think it will be when the sun goes supernova, but it will be about 5 billion years from now. I suppose that falls under "don't think there will be an apocalypse".Plato said:I
this YouGov poll, I got it today...
What do you think will be the most likely cause of the apocalypse?
Climate change
Worldwide revolution
Alien invasion
Judgement day
Nuclear war
Zombies
Something else
Don’t think there will be an apocalypse0 -
Wibble.LadyBucket said:Once again 'Daily Politics' spent the last 10 minutes talking about the Conservatives/leadership again. Not a single comment about whether EdM will still be leader after the election.
Too much talk of conservative mps ringing up journalists last week 'whinging' about the campaign.
LISTEN ALL THOSE CONSERVATIVE MPS WHO READ THIS BLOG - SHUT UP. AS YOU HAVE SEEN TODAY, BORIS IS NOT THE STAR STRIKER, SO KEEP YOUR DISCIPLINE FOR GOODNESS SAKE.
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Does anyone know how many more polls we're likely to get before election day?0
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YesAndyJS said:Does anyone know how many more polls we're likely to get before election day?
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Well, don't keep it to yourself; spread the news.TheScreamingEagles said:
YesAndyJS said:Does anyone know how many more polls we're likely to get before election day?
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"'Elect Harder' would actually be a great name for a second election this year - it would be the parties saying they'd heard what we'd said, and we were idiots who needed to try harder and do it again."
Other possibilities
Election 2 - electric bugaloo
Election 3D (we all get glasses for this one)
2 Elect 2 Furious
I still know who you elected last summer
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rfw753 @rfw753 5h5 hours ago Brighton, England
I've just voted UKIP and it felt great. Change is coming and a ray of hope for us working, law abiding...
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I'm expecting at least 32 GB wide polls between now and election dayMikeK said:
Well, don't keep it to yourself; spread the news.TheScreamingEagles said:
YesAndyJS said:Does anyone know how many more polls we're likely to get before election day?
11 YouGovs, 2 ICMs, 2 Ipsos Moris, 3 Ashcrofts, 2 ComRes phone polls, 1 ComRes online poll, 1 Opinium, 4 Populus, 1 TNS, 2 Panelbases, 3 Survations and a Partridge in a pear tree.0 -
@PickardJE: Nicola Sturgeon: "I suspect Ed Miliband will change his tune once the votes are cast."0
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..... and a Partridge in a pear tree being the most reliable one.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm expecting at least 32 GB wide polls between now and election dayMikeK said:
Well, don't keep it to yourself; spread the news.TheScreamingEagles said:
YesAndyJS said:Does anyone know how many more polls we're likely to get before election day?
11 YouGovs, 2 ICMs, 2 Ipsos Moris, 3 Ashcrofts, 2 ComRes phone polls, 1 ComRes online poll, 1 Opinium, 4 Populus, 1 TNS, 2 Panelbases, 3 Survations and a Partridge in a pear tree. 0 -
I have to say your enthusiasm and support for your party is admirable and I'm sure it is infectious to those around you.MikeK said:rfw753 @rfw753 5h5 hours ago Brighton, England
I've just voted UKIP and it felt great. Change is coming and a ray of hope for us working, law abiding...
http://dailym.ai/1z7Pdsy
It would be nice if more people cared about their respective party the way you do. I'm a complete charlatan who follows politics (almost) purely for the bloodsport.
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The mere fact that John Prescott held the office induces one to nausea. A man more unfitted to hold the office would be nigh on impossible to find.0
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Ah, but is it an on-line partridge or one that telephones you?MikeK said:
..... and a Partridge in a pear tree being the most reliable one.TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm expecting at least 32 GB wide polls between now and election dayMikeK said:
Well, don't keep it to yourself; spread the news.TheScreamingEagles said:
YesAndyJS said:Does anyone know how many more polls we're likely to get before election day?
11 YouGovs, 2 ICMs, 2 Ipsos Moris, 3 Ashcrofts, 2 ComRes phone polls, 1 ComRes online poll, 1 Opinium, 4 Populus, 1 TNS, 2 Panelbases, 3 Survations and a Partridge in a pear tree.0 -
How about Tony Blair as a candidate for worse than John P? If it were the other way around then I expect that we would have stayed out of Iraq war 2.SquareRoot said:The mere fact that John Prescott held the office induces one to nausea. A man more unfitted to hold the office would be nigh on impossible to find.
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Would you be able to say which constituency?MikeK said:rfw753 @rfw753 5h5 hours ago Brighton, England
I've just voted UKIP and it felt great. Change is coming and a ray of hope for us working, law abiding...
http://dailym.ai/1z7Pdsy0 -
Is my Lord Ashcroft planning one of his megapolls, do you know? And is everyone likely to do an eve-of-poll one?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm expecting at least 32 GB wide polls between now and election dayMikeK said:
Well, don't keep it to yourself; spread the news.TheScreamingEagles said:
YesAndyJS said:Does anyone know how many more polls we're likely to get before election day?
11 YouGovs, 2 ICMs, 2 Ipsos Moris, 3 Ashcrofts, 2 ComRes phone polls, 1 ComRes online poll, 1 Opinium, 4 Populus, 1 TNS, 2 Panelbases, 3 Survations and a Partridge in a pear tree.
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So for a few of those the next poll will also be the last poll they'll do (and therefore fairly or unfairly the only one they'll really be judged on for the next five years after the result is known).TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm expecting at least 32 GB wide polls between now and election dayMikeK said:
Well, don't keep it to yourself; spread the news.TheScreamingEagles said:
YesAndyJS said:Does anyone know how many more polls we're likely to get before election day?
11 YouGovs, 2 ICMs, 2 Ipsos Moris, 3 Ashcrofts, 2 ComRes phone polls, 1 ComRes online poll, 1 Opinium, 4 Populus, 1 TNS, 2 Panelbases, 3 Survations and a Partridge in a pear tree.
Any idea when we will start to get the final polls coming in? I assume some will be eve of poll polls on May 6 (or night of May 5) but will others vary?0 -
Boris really was pony on the Marr show this morning. He's good at Greek and great at Latin, but policy and debate are clearly weak points.0
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Don't know to the first one. I wouldn't be surprised if he did one.JohnLilburne said:
Is my Lord Ashcroft planning one of his megapolls, do you know? And is everyone likely to do an eve-of-poll one?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm expecting at least 32 GB wide polls between now and election dayMikeK said:
Well, don't keep it to yourself; spread the news.TheScreamingEagles said:
YesAndyJS said:Does anyone know how many more polls we're likely to get before election day?
11 YouGovs, 2 ICMs, 2 Ipsos Moris, 3 Ashcrofts, 2 ComRes phone polls, 1 ComRes online poll, 1 Opinium, 4 Populus, 1 TNS, 2 Panelbases, 3 Survations and a Partridge in a pear tree.
I'd expect most will do an eve of election poll, but that is dependent on someone paying them.0 -
@theousherwood: Sturgeon: Ed Miliband won't have the votes to do what he wants. Audio here: https://t.co/sBUCHheOgt
...only what I want...0 -
Polls, schmoles: Jack is preparing an eve of poll Super ARSE. It will be like money in the bank...TheScreamingEagles said:
Don't know to the first one. I wouldn't be surprised if he did one.JohnLilburne said:
Is my Lord Ashcroft planning one of his megapolls, do you know? And is everyone likely to do an eve-of-poll one?TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm expecting at least 32 GB wide polls between now and election dayMikeK said:
Well, don't keep it to yourself; spread the news.TheScreamingEagles said:
YesAndyJS said:Does anyone know how many more polls we're likely to get before election day?
11 YouGovs, 2 ICMs, 2 Ipsos Moris, 3 Ashcrofts, 2 ComRes phone polls, 1 ComRes online poll, 1 Opinium, 4 Populus, 1 TNS, 2 Panelbases, 3 Survations and a Partridge in a pear tree.
I'd expect most will do an eve of election poll, but that is dependent on someone paying them.0 -
I'd expect the final polls to be published Tuesday and Wednesday.Philip_Thompson said:
So for a few of those the next poll will also be the last poll they'll do (and therefore fairly or unfairly the only one they'll really be judged on for the next five years after the result is known).TheScreamingEagles said:
I'm expecting at least 32 GB wide polls between now and election dayMikeK said:
Well, don't keep it to yourself; spread the news.TheScreamingEagles said:
YesAndyJS said:Does anyone know how many more polls we're likely to get before election day?
11 YouGovs, 2 ICMs, 2 Ipsos Moris, 3 Ashcrofts, 2 ComRes phone polls, 1 ComRes online poll, 1 Opinium, 4 Populus, 1 TNS, 2 Panelbases, 3 Survations and a Partridge in a pear tree.
Any idea when we will start to get the final polls coming in? I assume some will be eve of poll polls on May 6 (or night of May 5) but will others vary?
Though some might follow Ipsos Mori's lead in the indyref and get one out on the morning of the election.0 -
I would also not be surprised if in the last few days of the election Lord Ashcroft published a final batch of constituency polling. Especially in Hallam and South Thanet0
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No "50 SNP MPs"?Plato said:I
this YouGov poll, I got it today...
What do you think will be the most likely cause of the apocalypse?
Climate change
Worldwide revolution
Alien invasion
Judgement day
Nuclear war
Zombies
Something else
Don’t think there will be an apocalypse0 -
While looking up Deputy Prime Ministers on Wikipedia, I came across this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Mouser_to_the_Cabinet_Office0
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From the Mail on Sunday headlines I thought it has to be an SNP / Labour agreement post 7th MayPlato said:I
this YouGov poll, I got it today...
What do you think will be the most likely cause of the apocalypse?
Climate change
Worldwide revolution
Alien invasion
Judgement day
Nuclear war
Zombies
Something else
Don’t think there will be an apocalypse0 -
Mr. Pokery, welcome to pb.com.
Lots and lots of new chaps lately.0 -
Yes - but a least he's funny and something the campaign needs, as it is a complete switch off at presentSouthamObserver said:Boris really was pony on the Marr show this morning. He's good at Greek and great at Latin, but policy and debate are clearly weak points.
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Has anyone thought just how our wonderful British Isles has come to this fractured political system. Maybe its just too complex to provide a straight forward answer0
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Just read a comment on here which said that voting UKIP has made someone ' feel great'. Surely this has to be a joke because voting for a reductionist agenda which is both xenophobic and anti-business is not a great idea in the 21st century. Good job that UKIP will get only 2 seats!0
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Just heard a clip on the radio,sounded in great form.TheScreamingEagles said:Dave getting passionate and campaigning in Yeovil
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion and to vote accordingly, and no I am not a UKIP supporterroserees64 said:Just read a comment on here which said that voting UKIP has made someone ' feel great'. Surely this has to be a joke because voting for a reductionist agenda which is both xenophobic and anti-business is not a great idea in the 21st century. Good job that UKIP will get only 2 seats!
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Mr. NorthWales, Labour's incompetent devolution.
The SNP are (in terms of seats) the only real break with the past, or will be, at the election. That's the game-changer.
There are other factors, but that's the big one.0 -
Hopefully the one he lives in.foxinsoxuk said:
Would you be able to say which constituency?MikeK said:rfw753 @rfw753 5h5 hours ago Brighton, England
I've just voted UKIP and it felt great. Change is coming and a ray of hope for us working, law abiding...
http://dailym.ai/1z7Pdsy0 -
A week is a long time in politics.........because of ........Roger said:Surely the most sure fire bet on the election is that Clegg wont survive as Lib Dem leader. The only possible circumstance would be if the Tories get near a majority and they need the twenty odd seats the Libs can provide but even then I'm sure the party would look for a new leader.
.......events dear boy, events.
There is no certainty about the election nor party leaders subsequent to the election.
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If someone feels great at the act of voting, then I welcome that, whoever they choose to vote for; at least they have been inspired, even if what inspired them does not inspire me. If it is not a great idea then it should fade, though even clearly bad ideas do not totally go away.roserees64 said:Just read a comment on here which said that voting UKIP has made someone ' feel great'. Surely this has to be a joke because voting for a reductionist agenda which is both xenophobic and anti-business is not a great idea in the 21st century. Good job that UKIP will get only 2 seats!
Probably. I guess the easy answer is around people not being engaged or served by the traditional two party politics, but frankly I find something encouraging that even in a system that favours a two party system, others are managing to break through in small and large ways. That we are so split between the biggest two choices I think is because the problems and issues we face are such that solutions are not obvious even as two distinct messages (and so that is not even being offered), coupled with fewer people being tribal voters for only the big two now.Big_G_NorthWales said:Has anyone thought just how our wonderful British Isles has come to this fractured political system. Maybe its just too complex to provide a straight forward answer
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BETTING POST
The LibDem seat bands look like pretty much free money. Put money on at 4-1 with Ladbrokes (or others) on 11-20 seats, and a covering bet on 21-30 (11-10 with several).
SkyBet offers an interesting 16-1 on 10 seats or less if you're that way inclined. Nevertheless given there has to be a 90% chance of less than 30 seats for the LibDems, the seat bands look excellent value.
(Given at least nine losses in Scotland, and six certain Labour losses, you only need 10 from the flotsam and jetsam of Conservative and - harder - Labour challenge seats.)
If you genuinely believe Cambridge is going to fall to Labour, then the 16-1 on 10 seats and under looks incredible value.0 -
That is brilliant! Only in the UKJohnLilburne said:While looking up Deputy Prime Ministers on Wikipedia, I came across this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chief_Mouser_to_the_Cabinet_Office
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Depends what you were expecting - it strikes me Boris was essentially there to rally the Tory troops following a so far lacklustre campaign with a bit of good old fashioned knockabout which from where I was sitting he did perfectly well. Shame the plug was pulled before the Ed and Boris show at the end really got going. Boris was not there to push his leadership credentials as some have been suggesting.SouthamObserver said:Boris really was pony on the Marr show this morning. He's good at Greek and great at Latin, but policy and debate are clearly weak points.
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That's God punishing Aberdeen for not voting "Out".Richard_Tyndall said:OT. Its snowing bloody hard around Aberdeen at the moment. Not sure I would like to be pounding the pavements in this weather.
Also, that's God discouraging unionists from voting.
SNP supporters, by the way, don't feel the cold.0 -
Betting question: next LibDem leader; if it's not Farron, who will it be?
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If anyone followed my earlier tipperoo in Scotland you will have money to play with in Betfred acc
Kevin Gameiro fgs 4/1 massive0 -
About half a foot in inverness.rcs1000 said:
That's God punishing Aberdeen for not voting "Out".Richard_Tyndall said:OT. Its snowing bloody hard around Aberdeen at the moment. Not sure I would like to be pounding the pavements in this weather.
Also, that's God discouraging unionists from voting.
SNP supporters, by the way, don't feel the cold.0 -
Carmichael? Even his seat looks to be in play in these SNP heavy times, but he should be safe. They can try to appear they still have nationwide aspirations with a Scot as their leader too. Scottish Secretary, but probably doesn't have much of a profile (which can be a positive and negative depending on the profile)rcs1000 said:Betting question: next LibDem leader; if it's not Farron, who will it be?
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This depends far more than usual on who's going to keep their seat doesn't it?rcs1000 said:Betting question: next LibDem leader; if it's not Farron, who will it be?
Like in '97 when Portillo was a favourite to be post-election leader but lost his seat instead, there is a risk of a Portillo moment for many would-be LD favourites.0 -
Absolutely agree - the 'genie' is out of the bottle and looks that it is inevitable that sometime in the future Scotland will have another referendum but of course the outcome of that is by no means certain eitherMorris_Dancer said:Mr. NorthWales, Labour's incompetent devolution.
The SNP are (in terms of seats) the only real break with the past, or will be, at the election. That's the game-changer.
There are other factors, but that's the big one.0 -
Maybe it will be one of the new 2015 intake...Philip_Thompson said:This depends far more than usual on who's going to keep their seat doesn't it?
Like in '97 when Portillo was a favourite to be post-election leader but lost his seat instead, there is a risk of a Portillo moment for many would-be LD favourites.0 -
One point to note on betting on leadership changes (for any party): if it looks like another election might be called at short notice, or if there are chaotic inter-party negotiations going on, a given party might hang on to its current leader for fear of being caught with its pants down (as it were).0
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I'm still hopeful my Chris Huhne as next Lib Dem leader after Clegg betting slip might still be a winner.rcs1000 said:Betting question: next LibDem leader; if it's not Farron, who will it be?
But probably Norman Lamb or Vince if young Cardinals prefer old Bishops of Rome.0 -
I reckon the SNP will get the "Out" vote in each constituency, and therefore they top out at 37% in Orkney and Shetland. Can the LibDems get 37.1% in O&S? I suspect yes, as they will be the beneficiary of any pro-Union voting.kle4 said:
Carmichael? Even his seat looks to be in play in these SNP heavy times, but he should be safe. They can try to appear they still have nationwide aspirations with a Scot as their leader too.rcs1000 said:Betting question: next LibDem leader; if it's not Farron, who will it be?
I'm thinking, in a 20 seat LibDem party, who will be Farron's opponent.
Not Laws, or Alexander as the former is too right wing (and has baggage) and the latter will be without a seat.
Steve Webb? Norman Lamb?
I might take the 50-1 on Julian Huppert, on the basis that he's likely to have a seat post the election.
Assuming she gets re-elected (25% chance), I reckon Lynne Featherstone would stand. Would she win?0 -
Ukip 'hates modern Britain' and is infected with the 'virus of racism', says Labour's Chuka Umunna
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3056237/Ukip-hates-modern-Britain-infected-virus-racism-says-Labour-s-Chuka-Umunna.html
You can see where we heading under labour again,shut your mouth up on immigration or your a racist.0 -
Will there be that many LD incomers?Scott_P said:
Maybe it will be one of the new 2015 intake...Philip_Thompson said:This depends far more than usual on who's going to keep their seat doesn't it?
Like in '97 when Portillo was a favourite to be post-election leader but lost his seat instead, there is a risk of a Portillo moment for many would-be LD favourites.
Surely most LD seats will be won on an incumbent personal vote, I can't imagine any gains - and any retirements put the seat far more at risk of a loss. There'll be some retirements kept and many a gain or two, but not that many in total I suspect. Nowhere near as much as normal.
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Now that both the Tories and Labour have said they'll have nothing to do with the SNP it's a strange irony that after losing the referendum they'll now almost certainly be the single most important player at Westminster.
PS. It's difficult to know why Miliband has made this seemingly suicidal decision0
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