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Sean_F said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

TheWatcher said:

JEO said:

TheWatcher said:

How did the launch of Labour's 'Minority Manifesto' go earlier today?

Is a minority manifesto what I think it is? A separate manifesto for people depending on the colour of their skin?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/13/labour-ethnic-minority-voters-manifesto-top-jobs-quotas-hate-crime-reforms

http://www2.labour.org.uk/harman-and-miliband-launch-labours-bame-manifesto

So basically they are going to stuff the civil service and elsewhere with people based upon meeting quotas, rather than address the real underlying issues. Apparently, it is a really bad thing that our civil service hires people from the worlds best universities, so they will cut down on that.

The inescapable fact is that people from good universities are going to dominate the top jobs. I don't think that's a bad thing.

Exactly....the key to all of this is education, education, education....and fostering a culture where educational achievement is highly desired.

As Labour correctly point out if you are under 25 and black you are twice as likely to be unemployed. What they seem less keen to tell people is why is that? And if you are under 25 and from Chinese or Indian background the opposite is true.

I mean I guess you could claim racism or note that as a group those from Indian and Chinese backgrounds out perform the average of pretty much every metric when it comes to educational attainment etc.

Richard_Nabavi said:

Tissue_Price said:

The Labour wordings are even better. FWIW I got 80% & 20%

I scored 0% on the Labour manifesto. Well that's a surprise.

I got 0% as well but gave the NHS full backing. Not quite sure what happened there, think the Sun must have that mis-marked.

Labour have released a dodgy dossier on the Tory manifesto

http://www.labouremail.org.uk/files/uploads/bfbb7d84-8f8f-5a24-21c9-3ac9a65b4905.pdf

MaxPB said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Tissue_Price said:

The Labour wordings are even better. FWIW I got 80% & 20%

I scored 0% on the Labour manifesto. Well that's a surprise.

I got 0% as well but gave the NHS full backing. Not quite sure what happened there, think the Sun must have that mis-marked.

The £8 Bn is the Conservative policy, that's why :P

Sheesh !

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Plato said:

A decade ago we had some female cancer thingy at work which demanded that we wore pink. I was browbeaten into playing along by my HR Dir as *showing concern*

I looked at my wardrobe and noticed that with over 20ft of hanging space - there wasn't a single pink garment. Not even undies.

I really don't like this identity politics stuff - at all.

Beverley_C said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

And as for Labour's idea of mini-manifestos for specific sub-groups...

... Was there ever a dafter idea? At best it's incredibly patronising ("we didn't think you were important enough to include these policies in our grown-up manifesto"), or else it looks like a deliberate attempt to present contradictory messages to different groups. Or even to deliberately encourage division on ethnic and other grounds.

Indeed. Labour's pink lady bus annoyed a lot of women simply because it was PINK. It is a nice colour but it could equally have been red.

Would the Labour "Men's Policy Bus" go round painted BLUE?

Is it true that CRUK's "Race for Life" is only meant for women/girls?

All the cancer 'cure' stuff demanding ever greater efforts and money all over the media is really quite vile, the way it cynically plays upon people's hopes and emotions.

Unlike AIDS (for example) there isn't a single cause of cancer, and therefore there can never be a single cure. We shouldn't be able to cure cancer - we should be able not to suffer from it. But that wouldn't suit corporations or governments.

Scott_P said:

Labour have released a dodgy dossier on the Tory manifesto

http://www.labouremail.org.uk/files/uploads/bfbb7d84-8f8f-5a24-21c9-3ac9a65b4905.pdf

"The Tories have the capability of winning the Election in 45 minutes!"

The Tories want ID to be required to vote. If we had a problem with impersonation at the vote there would be occasions when someone has turned up to vote to find that someone else has voted for them already.

Are there news stories about this from previous elections? Any estimates of how widespread it is?

weejonnie said:

TheWatcher said:

JEO said:

TheWatcher said:

How did the launch of Labour's 'Minority Manifesto' go earlier today?

Is a minority manifesto what I think it is? A separate manifesto for people depending on the colour of their skin?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/13/labour-ethnic-minority-voters-manifesto-top-jobs-quotas-hate-crime-reforms

http://www2.labour.org.uk/harman-and-miliband-launch-labours-bame-manifesto

If it is it means that the Labour party is VERY racist - no doubt Diane Abbott has her paws in this. Imagine if UKIP had written a separate manifesto for white Englishmen only.

Imagine if UKIP were demanding that a particular percentage of jobs were reserved for white people.

weejonnie said:

TheWatcher said:

JEO said:

TheWatcher said:

How did the launch of Labour's 'Minority Manifesto' go earlier today?

Is a minority manifesto what I think it is? A separate manifesto for people depending on the colour of their skin?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/13/labour-ethnic-minority-voters-manifesto-top-jobs-quotas-hate-crime-reforms

http://www2.labour.org.uk/harman-and-miliband-launch-labours-bame-manifesto

If it is it means that the Labour party is VERY racist - no doubt Diane Abbott has her paws in this. Imagine if UKIP had written a separate manifesto for white Englishmen only.

What an incredible country we live in, where the people who preach and practice explicit discrimination between races are those who call others racist.. and genuinely think they have right on their side

Plato said:

I've quite a wrack and my angora jumpers used to provoke A LOT of comments in the mid 90s from male colleagues.

I'm sure they'd be banned nowadays. It was a bit much but a great distraction when I wanted to sway an argument."No, I'm up here..."

Beverley_C said:

Plato said:

A decade ago we had some female cancer thingy at work which demanded that we wore pink. I was browbeaten into playing along by my HR Dir as *showing concern*

I looked at my wardrobe and noticed that with over 20ft of hanging space - there wasn't a single pink garment. Not even undies.

I have a pink vest top. The only problem is that even I look "chesty" in it. Definitely Not Suitable For Work but if I had been "browbeaten" as you werr I would have worn it anyway... or my one other pink item, a magenta coloured satin nightie (knee length - very modest)

Wrack or Rack?

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Plato said:

A decade ago we had some female cancer thingy at work which demanded that we wore pink. I was browbeaten into playing along by my HR Dir as *showing concern*

I looked at my wardrobe and noticed that with over 20ft of hanging space - there wasn't a single pink garment. Not even undies.

I really don't like this identity politics stuff - at all.

Beverley_C said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

And as for Labour's idea of mini-manifestos for specific sub-groups...

... Was there ever a dafter idea? At best it's incredibly patronising ("we didn't think you were important enough to include these policies in our grown-up manifesto"), or else it looks like a deliberate attempt to present contradictory messages to different groups. Or even to deliberately encourage division on ethnic and other grounds.

Indeed. Labour's pink lady bus annoyed a lot of women simply because it was PINK. It is a nice colour but it could equally have been red.

Would the Labour "Men's Policy Bus" go round painted BLUE?

Is it true that CRUK's "Race for Life" is only meant for women/girls?

Yes. It is beneath contempt.

I explained to their latest chugger at my door that that is why I wasn't giving anything.

I came across this when they banned a dad/lad pair who's wife/mum had died friom cancer because they weren't women.

They now admit boys up to 11 after they got it in the neck for banning a 7 year old boy in Chesterfield who wanted to run with his mum.

http://www.civilsociety.co.uk/fundraising/news/content/12114/boys_can_join_race_for_life_after_mothers_campaign_success

Ha! Got 60% Con, 10% Lab, 25% LibDem, 60% UKIP. So in the UK, as in the US, there is no party I am wholeheartedly for. But, yikes!!, I got 60% Green too. Just because I cycle and can pronounce quinoa, I've been to Brighton, think we lock too many up and would decriminalize pot. What about all the incredibly stupid economics?

Disgraceful stuff from Labour

“On the current fast stream civil service programme, almost everyone is Oxbridge educated and they are all white, so we will introduce a combination of diversity targets and quotas to address that – including for working-class candidates”, he added.

How the f*ck are they going to decide who is working class enough - do you get bonus points for owning a whippet, or do you have to have sniffed glue on a Glasgow Housing estate or what ?!

Plato said:

IIRC Gordon claimed in a GE speech that Labour would cure cancer in 20yrs.

I'm sure a fellow PBer will be able to find this one.

Luckyguy1983 said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Plato said:

A decade ago we had some female cancer thingy at work which demanded that we wore pink. I was browbeaten into playing along by my HR Dir as *showing concern*

I looked at my wardrobe and noticed that with over 20ft of hanging space - there wasn't a single pink garment. Not even undies.

I really don't like this identity politics stuff - at all.

Beverley_C said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

And as for Labour's idea of mini-manifestos for specific sub-groups...

... Was there ever a dafter idea? At best it's incredibly patronising ("we didn't think you were important enough to include these policies in our grown-up manifesto"), or else it looks like a deliberate attempt to present contradictory messages to different groups. Or even to deliberately encourage division on ethnic and other grounds.

Indeed. Labour's pink lady bus annoyed a lot of women simply because it was PINK. It is a nice colour but it could equally have been red.

Would the Labour "Men's Policy Bus" go round painted BLUE?

Is it true that CRUK's "Race for Life" is only meant for women/girls?

All the cancer 'cure' stuff demanding ever greater efforts and money all over the media is really quite vile, the way it cynically plays upon people's hopes and emotions.

Unlike AIDS (for example) there isn't a single cause of cancer, and therefore there can never be a single cure. We shouldn't be able to cure cancer - we should be able not to suffer from it. But that wouldn't suit corporations or governments.

Deeply stupid man.

Cancer is the result of sustained minute attacks on the body's system. If we stopped stuffing ourselves with refined sugar, refined flour, and rancid unsaturated industrially produced oils and margerines, we'd take a huge step toward eliminating cancer.

But what do we actually do? Have a BAKE OFF or a TEA PARTY.

Scott_P said:

Beverley_C said:

We had the Lady Bus. In pink....

I am sorry, is "Lady Bus" a euphemism ...?

Did you get Gloria, and were they giving out Candy Floss?

Can we have a pink feminist wibble-bubble and put the Guardian and Harriet Harman inside. Sealed?

Mr. Pulpstar, quite.

Pulpstar said:

Disgraceful stuff from Labour

“On the current fast stream civil service programme, almost everyone is Oxbridge educated and they are all white, so we will introduce a combination of diversity targets and quotas to address that – including for working-class candidates”, he added.

How the f*ck are they going to decide who is working class enough - do you get bonus points for owning a whippet, or do you have to have sniffed glue on a Glasgow Housing estate or what ?!

When they have floated these things before, normally "working class" uses definitions about if the individuals parents went to uni and what careers they had.

Neither of my parents went to university, nor had particularly exciting job titles, but it would be disingenuous to class my upbringing as working class, but when I have looked before at these things I would have met the criteria and IMO making a total mockery.

http://www.sunnation.co.uk/forget-23-days-to-go-voting-has-already-begun/

Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire

Chalk up 1 vote for the Tories !

Pulpstar said:

Disgraceful stuff from Labour

“On the current fast stream civil service programme, almost everyone is Oxbridge educated and they are all white, so we will introduce a combination of diversity targets and quotas to address that – including for working-class candidates”, he added.

How the f*ck are they going to decide who is working class enough - do you get bonus points for owning a whippet, or do you have to have sniffed glue on a Glasgow Housing estate or what ?!

Presumably, it would be like Monty Python's Grim Up North sketch.

Plato said:

I do. You're a charming fellow and very masculine body hair wise. I never forget a forearm.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheWatcher said:

Plato said:

I've quite a wrack and my angora jumpers used to provoke A LOT of comments in the mid 90s from male colleagues.

I'm sure they'd be banned nowadays. It was a bit much but a great distraction when I wanted to sway an argument."No, I'm up here..."

Beverley_C said:

Plato said:

A decade ago we had some female cancer thingy at work which demanded that we wore pink. I was browbeaten into playing along by my HR Dir as *showing concern*

I looked at my wardrobe and noticed that with over 20ft of hanging space - there wasn't a single pink garment. Not even undies.

I have a pink vest top. The only problem is that even I look "chesty" in it. Definitely Not Suitable For Work but if I had been "browbeaten" as you werr I would have worn it anyway... or my one other pink item, a magenta coloured satin nightie (knee length - very modest)

Sunil has just passed out.

Not sure if Plato remembers, but we did meet at a PB bash many moons ago.

Permission to swoon?

Thank you!

But seriously I was under the impression most women dislike body hair - not suggesting it's the only reason I'm still single!

TheWatcher said:

weejonnie said:

TheWatcher said:

JEO said:

TheWatcher said:

How did the launch of Labour's 'Minority Manifesto' go earlier today?

Is a minority manifesto what I think it is? A separate manifesto for people depending on the colour of their skin?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/13/labour-ethnic-minority-voters-manifesto-top-jobs-quotas-hate-crime-reforms

http://www2.labour.org.uk/harman-and-miliband-launch-labours-bame-manifesto

If it is it means that the Labour party is VERY racist - no doubt Diane Abbott has her paws in this. Imagine if UKIP had written a separate manifesto for white Englishmen only.

The whole thing's a disgrace.

Imagine how insulted you'd feel as someone from an ethnic minority who's worked their backside off to get a first class degree and land a career in the civil service, only to discover that it was largely irrelevant, and you were picked for the job on the basis of skin colour. I'd go ballistic.

Exactly, well said.

The trickle down effect of such policies are we get Kevin Pietersen playing for England, despite having no concern for England whatsoever, because he was too white for the SA team.

Obviously I have more sympathy for positive discrimination in South Africa, but it isn't necessary in England. If Sadiq Khan gets the mayoralty, any kids I have will lose out to non white kids because of their skin colour (unless my kids mother turns out to be non white I guess)

In the 21st Century. Madness

MattW said:

Dear God, it's worse.

The CRUK drones tried to ban mums because they had new born male babies.

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/mums-banned-fundraiser-due-baby-1453246

How can they get away with that?

Sunil_Prasannan said:

murali_s said:

As Tim would say "Off go the PB Burleys on race"

Personally, very impressed with Labour's BAME manifesto. Lots to work on to get true equality and fairness...

Why can't there be a single manifesto for everyone?

Any sign of "Vote Wes Streeting" posters around Sunil.

Pulpstar - backing London Labour
Backing the South West Tories
Backing the SNP

Well I'd like to comment on this, but in deference to OGH's legal situation I'll just post it:

https://twitter.com/georgegalloway/status/587945160283201537

My five takes on the Conservative manifesto launch:

1. This was a major offer. Labour's big pre-manifesto pledge was to end non-dom status, but it was announced the week before. Conservative policies on Right to Buy and childcare are chunky, high-value giveaways.

2. Cameron is continuing the 'safe and steady' strategy. His delivery was assured but it wasn't as lively as Miliband's speech yesterday - and the audience was more subdued. It's a quiet confidence in Tory ranks vs Labour's belief that the tide is turning.

3. Foreign policy: Ed Miliband barely touched on it yesterday. Cameron went for it today - on Trident, IS, even deporting hate preachers. It's all part of a strategy to appear as the statesman vs pretender to the job.

4. Cuts. We still don't have all the details. We know that £12bn of welfare savings still need to be found and this manifesto won't help you if you're looking for where they'll fall.

5. Should this all have been announced sooner? Loading these policy announcements into an election campaign may give the Conservatives momentum, but it only allows three weeks to embed them into the public's consciousness.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-32301269

On the last point, some might argue that the last 3 weeks is the only time people are actually paying attention

Mr. Anorak, chutzpah?

That's one word for it.

''Personally, very impressed with Labour's BAME manifesto. Lots to work on to get true equality and fairness...''

If its that good why aren't they sharing it with everyone?

Because 'whitey' won't like it??

Ishmael_X said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

MattW said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Plato said:

A decade ago we had some female cancer thingy at work which demanded that we wore pink. I was browbeaten into playing along by my HR Dir as *showing concern*

I looked at my wardrobe and noticed that with over 20ft of hanging space - there wasn't a single pink garment. Not even undies.

I really don't like this identity politics stuff - at all.

Beverley_C said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

And as for Labour's idea of mini-manifestos for specific sub-groups...

... Was there ever a dafter idea? At best it's incredibly patronising ("we didn't think you were important enough to include these policies in our grown-up manifesto"), or else it looks like a deliberate attempt to present contradictory messages to different groups. Or even to deliberately encourage division on ethnic and other grounds.

Indeed. Labour's pink lady bus annoyed a lot of women simply because it was PINK. It is a nice colour but it could equally have been red.

Would the Labour "Men's Policy Bus" go round painted BLUE?

Is it true that CRUK's "Race for Life" is only meant for women/girls?

Yes. It is beneath contempt.

I explained to their latest chugger at my door that that is why I wasn't giving anything.

I came across this when they banned a dad/lad pair who's wife/mum had died friom cancer because they weren't women.

They now admit boys up to 11 after they got it in the neck for banning a 7 year old boy in Chesterfield who wanted to run with his mum.

http://www.civilsociety.co.uk/fundraising/news/content/12114/boys_can_join_race_for_life_after_mothers_campaign_success

I would imagine Cancer was a "gender-neutral" issue.

Don't you believe it, tits and ovaries vs balls and prostates. Neutral territory exists too, of course

Men get breast cancer too!

Mr. Taffys, wouldn't want to make the whites angry.

The Labour race discrimination policies are the result of uncontrolled immigration.

Immigrants tend to be poorer than the population they immigrate to, and hence they tend to do less well paid jobs, because they are still better off than the life they'd have had in the country they were born in.

If immigration were controlled by the UKIP Australian points style system, immigrants would be by definition be in good jobs. Therefore the climb from immigrant to judge, MP, CEO or whatever it is wouldn't be as steep as it was for the descendents of immigrants from the 60s and 70s

If you looked at the peers of the immigrants from the 60s and 70s, the white people who lived in the towns they moved to, their grandchildren would not be judges, MPs or CEO anymore than those of the immigrants. I would think the status in terms of prestigious jobs would be roughly similar. It isn't about colour, but social class and money, and its the same for everyone

Online v Phone...

http://www.comres.co.uk/look-past-polls-of-polls-the-conservatives-have-been-leading-all-year/

Key para (but then he would say that, wouldn't he...)

We’ve been conducting voting intention both online and by telephone for the past five years, and up to now they’ve told a similar story throughout. In the heat of an election campaign though, people signed up to online panels may be at risk of being over-surveyed: bombarded with voting intention questions and information about the campaign in order to get their opinion of it. In this instance, for the time being at least, telephone polling of randomised landline and mobile numbers becomes your photographer’s dark room: used when you need to get the very crispest definition between your colours but requiring lots of time and attention. By polling day, telephone polls were most accurate in the 2010 General Election, the AV referendum in 2011 and at the Scottish referendum last year.

Plato said:

Oh, I don't mind it. Just never get your back waxed and let it go stubbly. There is NOTHING funnier/sadder/more revolting than that.

I had a chappy who'd been making eyes at me for years. He plucked up courage to ask me out and then I discovered he waxed his back - it was hilarious, the hair stopped at his shoulders like a welcome mat, and the stubble poked through his shirt.

I fell about laughing at such poorly executed vanity. I think that effected his game. A lot...

Even now, I still LOL about it.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Plato said:

I do. You're a charming fellow and very masculine body hair wise. I never forget a forearm.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

TheWatcher said:

Plato said:

I've quite a wrack and my angora jumpers used to provoke A LOT of comments in the mid 90s from male colleagues.

I'm sure they'd be banned nowadays. It was a bit much but a great distraction when I wanted to sway an argument."No, I'm up here..."

Beverley_C said:

Plato said:

A decade ago we had some female cancer thingy at work which demanded that we wore pink. I was browbeaten into playing along by my HR Dir as *showing concern*

I looked at my wardrobe and noticed that with over 20ft of hanging space - there wasn't a single pink garment. Not even undies.

I have a pink vest top. The only problem is that even I look "chesty" in it. Definitely Not Suitable For Work but if I had been "browbeaten" as you werr I would have worn it anyway... or my one other pink item, a magenta coloured satin nightie (knee length - very modest)

Sunil has just passed out.

Not sure if Plato remembers, but we did meet at a PB bash many moons ago.

Permission to swoon?

Thank you!

But seriously I was under the impression most women dislike body hair - not suggesting it's the only reason I'm still single!

One of my school fellows was ordered to have a haircut on his chest, by a master who was obviously very jealous of his masculinity ...

@Plato: And you knew the poor man was coming as well!! - not sure this method of canvassing would go down well in Eastbourne but it would liven up some of the older (male) codgers. Was it a hot day chez vous?

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Plato said:

I was advised by a professional stylist to wear chokers and neck scarves to keep attention upwards.

I'm no Dolly Parton but it was most amusing. The Tesco delivery guy today suffered the same affliction. I wasn't wearing a bra under my tee-shirt. Poor fellow was transfixed.

JosiasJessop said:

Beverley_C said:

Plato said:

I've quite a wrack and .... a great distraction when I wanted to sway an argument."No, I'm up here..."

Good for you! I always wanted one of those tee-shirts.

I got in trouble a few years ago. A friend had a new girlfriend, now his wife, who combined both thin waist and rather large breasts. When I first met her she was wearing a low-cut top with a gold chain and crucifix hanging in her cleavage. I found my gaze slowly moving down from her face to the cleavage whilst I was talking to her. Then I would look up, and the chain would drag my gaze down once again.

When I told Mrs J this, she jokingly told me off. A few weeks later she met the lady, and she found herself doing exactly the same thing. ;-)

(Edit: and when I was on my long walk, my then-GF would wear a promotional T-shirt with the website on. It turned out that the text was right over her breasts. When people asked her for more information, she would say 'read my tits').

murali_s said:

As Tim would say "Off go the PB Burleys on race"

Personally, very impressed with Labour's BAME manifesto. Lots to work on to get true equality and fairness...

I'm not sure that I'd view Tim as having a particularly good idea of right and wrong.

NOT winning here...

@paulwaugh: Priceless Lib Dem leaflet: ‘you shdn’t vote’ for Nick Clegg cos he’s ‘not interested in yr local area’
http://t.co/SJoOxAwypC

TGOHF said:

Pulpstar said:

PeterC said:

Bob__Sykes said:

Pulpstar said:

Tissue_Price said:

Danny565 said:

Plato said:

How did you feel about the Labour manifesto? What caught your eye? It's passed me by and I really need to read it.

Danny565 said:

Think the manifestos might well be the turning point of the whole election. Labour completely miscalculated: people don't want "credibility", they want HOPE that things are going to get better, and on that score the Tories are outgunning Labour (even if they don't keep any of their promises).

I thought nothing about it tbh. It's just so incredibly bland that you wonder why they're bothering to stand in this election atall if they have that little to say.

Even more depressing is their reaction to the Tory manifesto today. People don't want to hear nitpicking about how realistic or "costed" things are; people are currently so desperate for some hope that they WANT to believe things are going to get better.

Indeed, Purseybear will be delighted. Or maybe she won't. Hard to tell. Difficult call. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.

90% probability Con Gain Westmorland and Lonsdale I heard.

Best get on fast.

I'd love to see W&L back in the Tory column. I spend a lot of my time there, and still find it hard to believe it's not blue!

Will have big implications for any renewal of the Con/Lib coalition and/or LibDem leadership contest if Farron is out.

It'll have big implications for the Lib Dems too as Julian Huppert is the sole remaining MP.

News from Huppertville is that with the Con candidate getting herself in a tangle at a local hustings over "writsbands for the mentally disabled" that Hupperts nailed on nails are now nailed on.

Can't believe the way the odds have moved that the bookies have taken much on the reds for the seat.

Was the implication that "wristbands for the mentally disabled" should be compulsory ?

If so, then perhaps she should go the full measure and consider they wear a star on their out garments and carry a bell too.

Not really - sure there are lots of Commandos in your area.

Plato said:

I'm not much for underwear. My mum wasn't either. Is that TMI?

Financier said:

@Plato: And you knew the poor man was coming as well!! - not sure this method of canvassing would go down well in Eastbourne but it would liven up some of the older (male) codgers. Was it a hot day chez vous?

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Plato said:

I was advised by a professional stylist to wear chokers and neck scarves to keep attention upwards.

I'm no Dolly Parton but it was most amusing. The Tesco delivery guy today suffered the same affliction. I wasn't wearing a bra under my tee-shirt. Poor fellow was transfixed.

JosiasJessop said:

Beverley_C said:

Plato said:

I've quite a wrack and .... a great distraction when I wanted to sway an argument."No, I'm up here..."

Good for you! I always wanted one of those tee-shirts.

I got in trouble a few years ago. A friend had a new girlfriend, now his wife, who combined both thin waist and rather large breasts. When I first met her she was wearing a low-cut top with a gold chain and crucifix hanging in her cleavage. I found my gaze slowly moving down from her face to the cleavage whilst I was talking to her. Then I would look up, and the chain would drag my gaze down once again.

When I told Mrs J this, she jokingly told me off. A few weeks later she met the lady, and she found herself doing exactly the same thing. ;-)

(Edit: and when I was on my long walk, my then-GF would wear a promotional T-shirt with the website on. It turned out that the text was right over her breasts. When people asked her for more information, she would say 'read my tits').

Sean_F said:

weejonnie said:

TheWatcher said:

JEO said:

TheWatcher said:

How did the launch of Labour's 'Minority Manifesto' go earlier today?

Is a minority manifesto what I think it is? A separate manifesto for people depending on the colour of their skin?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/13/labour-ethnic-minority-voters-manifesto-top-jobs-quotas-hate-crime-reforms

http://www2.labour.org.uk/harman-and-miliband-launch-labours-bame-manifesto

If it is it means that the Labour party is VERY racist - no doubt Diane Abbott has her paws in this. Imagine if UKIP had written a separate manifesto for white Englishmen only.

Imagine if UKIP were demanding that a particular percentage of jobs were reserved for white people.

Why I'm voting Tory, Sean. Whatever social policy nonsense Clegg and Cameron may decide if reelected will be a picnic compared to what Labour under Miliband will put the country through.