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I'd have preferred almost anything else.
To be fair, Bit of challenge to bring back pressies the missus likes.
I thought wifey would like the Mikimoto jewelry I brought back from Japan. This was in the '80s when you could not get it online.
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You are the one who supports the ting tong sneering - 'ugly nativist' - wing of British politics. Where is the 'ting tong' lady in question? Oh I guess you don't know now she has been expelled - despite being so highly thought of she was second on UKIPs regional listisam said:
Back in your hutch ting tongFlightpath said:
No it is not. And you are seriously bonkers.isam said:
Fair enough point about the comparison with bear baiting, witch burning.SouthamObserver said:
Not many people enjoy watching a fox being ripped apart and very few of those on a hunt get to see it or want to see it, though they may see the aftermath. They see the foxes death as a necessity, but they do not see much difference in how it is killed. They may be wrong - but that, I would posit, is what separates hunting from things such as bear baiting, dog fighting and burning women as witches.tyson said:
The visceral enjoyment of seeing an animal ripped apart is as grotesque to me as paedophilia. Doubtless there are a few people who could justify that too.Casino_Royale said:
A very reasonable post SO.SouthamObserver said:"What most anti-fox hunting people really object to is the idea of people they don't like enjoying it."
I am not sure that is true. There have always been large majorities in favour of a ban and my impression is that's because most people feel it is cruel, not because who does it. And it is cruel - the terrified fox is hunted down and torn to shreds by a pack of dogs.
However, as someone once said: that's life. Foxes are a pest and they have to be dealt with. snip
Whilst I don't agree it's as explicitly cruel as you say it is, and do think class stereotypes play a big part in its opposition, you have a very nuanced, balanced and well-considered view on this which is, sadly, rare in this debate. And even brave.
I just do not equate the on-going physical and sexual abuse of a human child, and the resulting life-long trauma that causes, with the one-off chase and killing of a fox.
You are also right that the killing of a fox is not equivalent to sexual abuse of a child, it is equivalent to murdering a child you think of as a pest
A fox is officially vermin. A child is officially a human being.
A child may be a pest, but he/she does not fall under the Pests Act 1954.0 -
As a context, what has been the average house price increase since 1980?Tykejohnno said:What happened to Margaret Thatcher's first Right to Buy council house?
One of the first council houses sold under Margaret Thatcher’s Right To Buy scheme was purchased for more than 20 times its original value 33 years later
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/margaret-thatcher/9983113/Margaret-Thatcher-History-of-one-of-the-first-Right-To-Buy-council-houses.html
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Lest we forget, the Lib Dems did sort of come from nowhere in W&L in 2005, a Tory safe seat since its creation, and they did so by winning the backing of Labour voters or Labour-inclined voters who couldn't be bothered in a safe Tory seat, particularly against the backdrop of Howard's 2005 campaign. Farron won his stonking majority on the back of the Cleggasm, and a catalogue of disaster and infighting amongst the local W&L Tories (and their HQ and voter lists were lost to a fire IIRC), and whilst he's undoubtedly popular locally, his party is pretty toxic up north now and I reckon many in W&L may be less inclined to come out in great numbers for the LDs.Pulpstar said:
90% probability Con Gain Westmorland and Lonsdale I heard.Tissue_Price said:
Indeed, Purseybear will be delighted. Or maybe she won't. Hard to tell. Difficult call. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.Danny565 said:
I thought nothing about it tbh. It's just so incredibly bland that you wonder why they're bothering to stand in this election atall if they have that little to say.Plato said:How did you feel about the Labour manifesto? What caught your eye? It's passed me by and I really need to read it.
Danny565 said:Think the manifestos might well be the turning point of the whole election. Labour completely miscalculated: people don't want "credibility", they want HOPE that things are going to get better, and on that score the Tories are outgunning Labour (even if they don't keep any of their promises).
Even more depressing is their reaction to the Tory manifesto today. People don't want to hear nitpicking about how realistic or "costed" things are; people are currently so desperate for some hope that they WANT to believe things are going to get better.
Best get on fast.
I'd love to see W&L back in the Tory column. I spend a lot of my time there, and still find it hard to believe it's not blue!0 -
My hubbie said it was impossible to buy anything pretty for females in Houston. All the nice cowboy stuff was geared to men - belt buckles, alligator boots, fancy hats - it was all male.
I got a black hat and black boots.
He brought me back the most FABULOUS Chinese art and a lovely gold pen from Switzerland - he was a great gift shopper on the whole, though tended towards the gaudy for my taste.taffys said:I'd have preferred almost anything else.
To be fair, Bit of challenge to bring back pressies the missus likes.
I thought wifey would like the Mikimoto jewelry I brought back from Japan. This was in the '80s when you could not get it online.
But no.0 -
If Ed gets in it will be "only Fools and horses"Bob__Sykes said:
In reality, it has One Foot in the Grave!Pulpstar said:Dave has gone from the NHS being "Open all hours" to now offering "The Good life" !
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Hilarious - for a so-called Tory 90% of your posts could have been written by the Labour press office. You may have been posting for years but your colours are no longer blue.Bob__Sykes said:
In reality, it has One Foot in the Grave!Pulpstar said:Dave has gone from the NHS being "Open all hours" to now offering "The Good life" !
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I'm afraid I have to agree.Richard_Nabavi said:Labour, having gone ludicrously over-the-top a few weeks ago in describing the Conservative plans as swingeing, ideologically-driven cuts, which will take us back to Victorian times, are now having to try to switch to the opposite argument and claim that Cameron is promising unfunded giveaways.
This looks like a deliberate trap set by Osborne, and a rather nifty one. The message which most voters will get is that Conservative austerity can't be all that bad after all. Given that the Conservatives have a considerable advantage in economic credibility, that's quite a good position.
At the same time, Labour seem to have got themselves into a strategic hole with their late conversion to the message: 'any austerity Osborne can do, we can do better'. That won't play well with their core vote, and certainly not in Scotland. What's more the timing is particularly difficult for Miliband: on Thursday he'll face the challengers' debate with three feisty ladies taking chunks from his left and Nigel Farage skewering him on credibility.
I expect the Conservatives to pull ahead (or further ahead) in the next week or two.
I'm just at a loss to understand what the rationale for voting Labour is supposed to be now. This is the problem with having all these idiotic Westminster "game-players" in positions of power in Labour: they're good at short-term tactics, and their "more austerity than Osborne" tactic worked well for a day in the papers yesterday, but it's blown gaping holes in their overarching strategy for the whole election.0 -
Will have big implications for any renewal of the Con/Lib coalition and/or LibDem leadership contest if Farron is out.Bob__Sykes said:
Lest we forget, the Lib Dems did sort of come from nowhere in W&L in 2005, a Tory safe seat since its creation, and they did so by winning the backing of Labour voters or Labour-inclined voters who couldn't be bothered in a safe Tory seat, particularly against the backdrop of Howard's 2005 campaign. Farron won his stonking majority on the back of the Cleggasm, and a catalogue of disaster and infighting amongst the local W&L Tories (and their HQ and voter lists were lost to a fire IIRC), and whilst he's undoubtedly popular locally, his party is pretty toxic up north now and I reckon many in W&L may be less inclined to come out in great numbers for the LDs.Pulpstar said:
90% probability Con Gain Westmorland and Lonsdale I heard.Tissue_Price said:
Indeed, Purseybear will be delighted. Or maybe she won't. Hard to tell. Difficult call. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.Danny565 said:
I thought nothing about it tbh. It's just so incredibly bland that you wonder why they're bothering to stand in this election atall if they have that little to say.Plato said:How did you feel about the Labour manifesto? What caught your eye? It's passed me by and I really need to read it.
Danny565 said:Think the manifestos might well be the turning point of the whole election. Labour completely miscalculated: people don't want "credibility", they want HOPE that things are going to get better, and on that score the Tories are outgunning Labour (even if they don't keep any of their promises).
Even more depressing is their reaction to the Tory manifesto today. People don't want to hear nitpicking about how realistic or "costed" things are; people are currently so desperate for some hope that they WANT to believe things are going to get better.
Best get on fast.
I'd love to see W&L back in the Tory column. I spend a lot of my time there, and still find it hard to believe it's not blue!
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Ishmael_X said:
Very, very rare. Hounds are bred and trained to hunt their proper quarry and nothing else, and the ones that like moonlighting don't last very long. Crop damage does happen, and loss of livestock indirectly caused by leaving gates open, but the farmer gets compensated (or the hunt doesn't get to hunt on his land any more) and the individuals responsible get serious grief from the Field Master.Carnyx said:
Serious question - how many farm animals, pet cats, dogs etc. get, or got, killed by hunts?
And what about crop damage?
Always wondered about those issues ...
Many thanks, both of you.HurstLlama said:
Very little if any crop damage is caused by hunts, which take place in winter when crops aren't growing. Farmers give permission for the hunt to enter their land they wouldn't if it involved damage to their crops. That said some damage does sometimes occur to hedges, fences, gates etc., where it does the hunt, if it is well run, will quickly put it right and/or provide compensation.Carnyx said:
Serious question - how many farm animals, pet cats, dogs etc. get, or got, killed by hunts?
And what about crop damage?
Always wondered about those issues ...
As to farm animals and pets killed by hunts, I have read of it but have never known a case locally. It probably happens but very infrequently and only when something has gone horribly wrong. Farmers lose more livestock to pet dogs not being kept under proper control than they ever do to hounds from the hunt.
I can well believe the livestock issue and not just because there are many more pet pooches than foxhounds - there are plenty of sheep round here where I live. Last time I was in Dorset, I had to report a dog worrying sheep and helped secure the one that had bolted straight through the fence. I was asked if I was a farmer myself!
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@Bob_Sykes
Westmorland is expected to declare at 4 am, I expect an absolute romp for Farron who will no doubt be eagerly awaiting the very tight news from Sheffield Hallam at 4:30 !0 -
though tended towards the gaudy for my taste.
When you get something for the wife there is a temptation as a bloke to make it a 'trophy' purchase.
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Its UKIP who are relying on the Victor Meldrew vote.Bob__Sykes said:
In reality, it has One Foot in the Grave!Pulpstar said:Dave has gone from the NHS being "Open all hours" to now offering "The Good life" !
It's a pity Labour are not running on ''Sorry!'
I have a sad feeling there is a rich seam to be mined here.
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It'll have big implications for the Lib Dems too as Julian Huppert is the sole remaining MP.PeterC said:
Will have big implications for any renewal of the Con/Lib coalition and/or LibDem leadership contest if Farron is out.Bob__Sykes said:
Lest we forget, the Lib Dems did sort of come from nowhere in W&L in 2005, a Tory safe seat since its creation, and they did so by winning the backing of Labour voters or Labour-inclined voters who couldn't be bothered in a safe Tory seat, particularly against the backdrop of Howard's 2005 campaign. Farron won his stonking majority on the back of the Cleggasm, and a catalogue of disaster and infighting amongst the local W&L Tories (and their HQ and voter lists were lost to a fire IIRC), and whilst he's undoubtedly popular locally, his party is pretty toxic up north now and I reckon many in W&L may be less inclined to come out in great numbers for the LDs.Pulpstar said:
90% probability Con Gain Westmorland and Lonsdale I heard.Tissue_Price said:
Indeed, Purseybear will be delighted. Or maybe she won't. Hard to tell. Difficult call. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.Danny565 said:
I thought nothing about it tbh. It's just so incredibly bland that you wonder why they're bothering to stand in this election atall if they have that little to say.Plato said:How did you feel about the Labour manifesto? What caught your eye? It's passed me by and I really need to read it.
Danny565 said:Think the manifestos might well be the turning point of the whole election. Labour completely miscalculated: people don't want "credibility", they want HOPE that things are going to get better, and on that score the Tories are outgunning Labour (even if they don't keep any of their promises).
Even more depressing is their reaction to the Tory manifesto today. People don't want to hear nitpicking about how realistic or "costed" things are; people are currently so desperate for some hope that they WANT to believe things are going to get better.
Best get on fast.
I'd love to see W&L back in the Tory column. I spend a lot of my time there, and still find it hard to believe it's not blue!0 -
I thought Farron was on solid ground for GE2015, am I wrong?PeterC said:
Will have big implications for any renewal of the Con/Lib coalition and/or LibDem leadership contest if Farron is out.Bob__Sykes said:
Lest we forget, the Lib Dems did sort of come from nowhere in W&L in 2005, a Tory safe seat since its creation, and they did so by winning the backing of Labour voters or Labour-inclined voters who couldn't be bothered in a safe Tory seat, particularly against the backdrop of Howard's 2005 campaign. Farron won his stonking majority on the back of the Cleggasm, and a catalogue of disaster and infighting amongst the local W&L Tories (and their HQ and voter lists were lost to a fire IIRC), and whilst he's undoubtedly popular locally, his party is pretty toxic up north now and I reckon many in W&L may be less inclined to come out in great numbers for the LDs.Pulpstar said:
90% probability Con Gain Westmorland and Lonsdale I heard.Tissue_Price said:
Indeed, Purseybear will be delighted. Or maybe she won't. Hard to tell. Difficult call. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.Danny565 said:
I thought nothing about it tbh. It's just so incredibly bland that you wonder why they're bothering to stand in this election atall if they have that little to say.Plato said:How did you feel about the Labour manifesto? What caught your eye? It's passed me by and I really need to read it.
Danny565 said:Think the manifestos might well be the turning point of the whole election. Labour completely miscalculated: people don't want "credibility", they want HOPE that things are going to get better, and on that score the Tories are outgunning Labour (even if they don't keep any of their promises).
Even more depressing is their reaction to the Tory manifesto today. People don't want to hear nitpicking about how realistic or "costed" things are; people are currently so desperate for some hope that they WANT to believe things are going to get better.
Best get on fast.
I'd love to see W&L back in the Tory column. I spend a lot of my time there, and still find it hard to believe it's not blue!0 -
We don't hear much from the "crossover" pundits anymore.Sunil_Prasannan said:
It was 0.8% inc. last night's YG - need to plug in TNS though, watch this space!murali_s said:
How's the part-ELBOW looking? Showing a Labour lead I hope...Sunil_Prasannan said:
No, it was 2%!Scrapheap_as_was said:Did I see a TNS poll out with a Tory lead of ** just ** 3% this morning?
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He is. If he loses, the Lib Dems are going to end up with less than 5 seats for sure. I make him just about the safest, safer than Yeovil, Bath, Orkney even.Plato said:I thought Farron was on solid ground for GE2015, am I wrong?
PeterC said:
Will have big implications for any renewal of the Con/Lib coalition and/or LibDem leadership contest if Farron is out.Bob__Sykes said:
Lest we forget, the Lib Dems did sort of come from nowhere in W&L in 2005, a Tory safe seat since its creation, and they did so by winning the backing of Labour voters or Labour-inclined voters who couldn't be bothered in a safe Tory seat, particularly against the backdrop of Howard's 2005 campaign. Farron won his stonking majority on the back of the Cleggasm, and a catalogue of disaster and infighting amongst the local W&L Tories (and their HQ and voter lists were lost to a fire IIRC), and whilst he's undoubtedly popular locally, his party is pretty toxic up north now and I reckon many in W&L may be less inclined to come out in great numbers for the LDs.Pulpstar said:
90% probability Con Gain Westmorland and Lonsdale I heard.Tissue_Price said:
Indeed, Purseybear will be delighted. Or maybe she won't. Hard to tell. Difficult call. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.Danny565 said:
I thought nothing about it tbh. It's just so incredibly bland that you wonder why they're bothering to stand in this election atall if they have that little to say.Plato said:How did you feel about the Labour manifesto? What caught your eye? It's passed me by and I really need to read it.
Danny565 said:Think the manifestos might well be the turning point of the whole election. Labour completely miscalculated: people don't want "credibility", they want HOPE that things are going to get better, and on that score the Tories are outgunning Labour (even if they don't keep any of their promises).
Even more depressing is their reaction to the Tory manifesto today. People don't want to hear nitpicking about how realistic or "costed" things are; people are currently so desperate for some hope that they WANT to believe things are going to get better.
Best get on fast.
I'd love to see W&L back in the Tory column. I spend a lot of my time there, and still find it hard to believe it's not blue!0 -
Too pessimistic !BenM said:Labour's little bounce-let in polls is over, Tories firming up after last week's so called "wobble".
Updated unscientific don't-rely-on-this BenM 7th May vote share predictor (changes from last time I did it a couple of weeks ago):
Con 35% (-1)
Lab 32% (-1)
Lib Dem 11% (+1)
UKIP 11% (-)
Others 11% (+1)
Seats
Con 287 (+1)
Lab 266 (-4)
Lib Dem 27 (-)
Green 1 (+1)
UKIP 1 (-1)
SNP 48 (+4)
Plaid 2 (-1)
NI 18
Con chances of being largest party now >65% (was >50%).
It's all over for Ed.0 -
Outside shot of the Lib Dems losing Yeovil IMO.Pulpstar said:
He is. If he loses, the Lib Dems are going to end up with less than 5 seats for sure. I make him just about the safest, safer than Yeovil, Bath, Orkney even.Plato said:I thought Farron was on solid ground for GE2015, am I wrong?
PeterC said:
Will have big implications for any renewal of the Con/Lib coalition and/or LibDem leadership contest if Farron is out.Bob__Sykes said:
Lest we forget, the Lib Dems did sort of come from nowhere in W&L in 2005, a Tory safe seat since its creation, and they did so by winning the backing of Labour voters or Labour-inclined voters who couldn't be bothered in a safe Tory seat, particularly against the backdrop of Howard's 2005 campaign. Farron won his stonking majority on the back of the Cleggasm, and a catalogue of disaster and infighting amongst the local W&L Tories (and their HQ and voter lists were lost to a fire IIRC), and whilst he's undoubtedly popular locally, his party is pretty toxic up north now and I reckon many in W&L may be less inclined to come out in great numbers for the LDs.Pulpstar said:
90% probability Con Gain Westmorland and Lonsdale I heard.Tissue_Price said:
Indeed, Purseybear will be delighted. Or maybe she won't. Hard to tell. Difficult call. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.Danny565 said:
I thought nothing about it tbh. It's just so incredibly bland that you wonder why they're bothering to stand in this election atall if they have that little to say.Plato said:How did you feel about the Labour manifesto? What caught your eye? It's passed me by and I really need to read it.
Danny565 said:Think the manifestos might well be the turning point of the whole election. Labour completely miscalculated: people don't want "credibility", they want HOPE that things are going to get better, and on that score the Tories are outgunning Labour (even if they don't keep any of their promises).
Even more depressing is their reaction to the Tory manifesto today. People don't want to hear nitpicking about how realistic or "costed" things are; people are currently so desperate for some hope that they WANT to believe things are going to get better.
Best get on fast.
I'd love to see W&L back in the Tory column. I spend a lot of my time there, and still find it hard to believe it's not blue!0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
Has the manifesto fallen into the sea, or is it more or less ok?0 -
When did Yeovil last change hands? It must be decades.Danny565 said:
Outside shot of the Lib Dems losing Yeovil IMO.Pulpstar said:
He is. If he loses, the Lib Dems are going to end up with less than 5 seats for sure. I make him just about the safest, safer than Yeovil, Bath, Orkney even.Plato said:I thought Farron was on solid ground for GE2015, am I wrong?
PeterC said:
Will have big implications for any renewal of the Con/Lib coalition and/or LibDem leadership contest if Farron is out.Bob__Sykes said:
Lest we forget, the Lib Dems did sort of come from nowhere in W&L in 2005, a Tory safe seat since its creation, and they did so by winning the backing of Labour voters or Labour-inclined voters who couldn't be bothered in a safe Tory seat, particularly against the backdrop of Howard's 2005 campaign. Farron won his stonking majority on the back of the Cleggasm, and a catalogue of disaster and infighting amongst the local W&L Tories (and their HQ and voter lists were lost to a fire IIRC), and whilst he's undoubtedly popular locally, his party is pretty toxic up north now and I reckon many in W&L may be less inclined to come out in great numbers for the LDs.Pulpstar said:
90% probability Con Gain Westmorland and Lonsdale I heard.Tissue_Price said:
Indeed, Purseybear will be delighted. Or maybe she won't. Hard to tell. Difficult call. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.Danny565 said:
I thought nothing about it tbh. It's just so incredibly bland that you wonder why they're bothering to stand in this election atall if they have that little to say.Plato said:How did you feel about the Labour manifesto? What caught your eye? It's passed me by and I really need to read it.
Danny565 said:Think the manifestos might well be the turning point of the whole election. Labour completely miscalculated: people don't want "credibility", they want HOPE that things are going to get better, and on that score the Tories are outgunning Labour (even if they don't keep any of their promises).
Even more depressing is their reaction to the Tory manifesto today. People don't want to hear nitpicking about how realistic or "costed" things are; people are currently so desperate for some hope that they WANT to believe things are going to get better.
Best get on fast.
I'd love to see W&L back in the Tory column. I spend a lot of my time there, and still find it hard to believe it's not blue!0 -
Mr. Surbiton, I agree. Still too close to call, neither side should be getting cocky or wetting themselves. Yet.0
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News from Huppertville is that with the Con candidate getting herself in a tangle at a local hustings over "writsbands for the mentally disabled" that Hupperts nailed on nails are now nailed on.Pulpstar said:
It'll have big implications for the Lib Dems too as Julian Huppert is the sole remaining MP.PeterC said:
Will have big implications for any renewal of the Con/Lib coalition and/or LibDem leadership contest if Farron is out.Bob__Sykes said:
Lest we forget, the Lib Dems did sort of come from nowhere in W&L in 2005, a Tory safe seat since its creation, and they did so by winning the backing of Labour voters or Labour-inclined voters who couldn't be bothered in a safe Tory seat, particularly against the backdrop of Howard's 2005 campaign. Farron won his stonking majority on the back of the Cleggasm, and a catalogue of disaster and infighting amongst the local W&L Tories (and their HQ and voter lists were lost to a fire IIRC), and whilst he's undoubtedly popular locally, his party is pretty toxic up north now and I reckon many in W&L may be less inclined to come out in great numbers for the LDs.Pulpstar said:
90% probability Con Gain Westmorland and Lonsdale I heard.Tissue_Price said:
Indeed, Purseybear will be delighted. Or maybe she won't. Hard to tell. Difficult call. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.Danny565 said:
I thought nothing about it tbh. It's just so incredibly bland that you wonder why they're bothering to stand in this election atall if they have that little to say.Plato said:How did you feel about the Labour manifesto? What caught your eye? It's passed me by and I really need to read it.
Danny565 said:Think the manifestos might well be the turning point of the whole election. Labour completely miscalculated: people don't want "credibility", they want HOPE that things are going to get better, and on that score the Tories are outgunning Labour (even if they don't keep any of their promises).
Even more depressing is their reaction to the Tory manifesto today. People don't want to hear nitpicking about how realistic or "costed" things are; people are currently so desperate for some hope that they WANT to believe things are going to get better.
Best get on fast.
I'd love to see W&L back in the Tory column. I spend a lot of my time there, and still find it hard to believe it's not blue!
Can't believe the way the odds have moved that the bookies have taken much on the reds for the seat.0 -
1983Plato said:When did Yeovil last change hands? It must be decades.
Danny565 said:
Outside shot of the Lib Dems losing Yeovil IMO.Pulpstar said:
He is. If he loses, the Lib Dems are going to end up with less than 5 seats for sure. I make him just about the safest, safer than Yeovil, Bath, Orkney even.Plato said:I thought Farron was on solid ground for GE2015, am I wrong?
PeterC said:
Will have big implications for any renewal of the Con/Lib coalition and/or LibDem leadership contest if Farron is out.Bob__Sykes said:
Lest we forget, the Lib Dems did sort of come from nowhere in W&L in 2005, a Tory safe seat since its creation, and they did so by winning the backing of Labour voters or Labour-inclined voters who couldn't be bothered in a safe Tory seat, particularly against the backdrop of Howard's 2005 campaign. Farron won his stonking majority on the back of the Cleggasm, and a catalogue of disaster and infighting amongst the local W&L Tories (and their HQ and voter lists were lost to a fire IIRC), and whilst he's undoubtedly popular locally, his party is pretty toxic up north now and I reckon many in W&L may be less inclined to come out in great numbers for the LDs.Pulpstar said:
90% probability Con Gain Westmorland and Lonsdale I heard.Tissue_Price said:
Indeed, Purseybear will be delighted. Or maybe she won't. Hard to tell. Difficult call. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.Danny565 said:
I thought nothing about it tbh. It's just so incredibly bland that you wonder why they're bothering to stand in this election atall if they have that little to say.Plato said:How did you feel about the Labour manifesto? What caught your eye? It's passed me by and I really need to read it.
Danny565 said:Think the manifestos might well be the turning point of the whole election. Labour completely miscalculated: people don't want "credibility", they want HOPE that things are going to get better, and on that score the Tories are outgunning Labour (even if they don't keep any of their promises).
Even more depressing is their reaction to the Tory manifesto today. People don't want to hear nitpicking about how realistic or "costed" things are; people are currently so desperate for some hope that they WANT to believe things are going to get better.
Best get on fast.
I'd love to see W&L back in the Tory column. I spend a lot of my time there, and still find it hard to believe it's not blue!0 -
The Conservatives coming second means he'll get a whole bunch of Labour "tactical" votes.TGOHF said:
News from Huppertville is that with the Con candidate getting herself in a tangle at a local hustings over "writsbands for the mentally disabled" that Hupperts nailed on nails are now nailed on.Pulpstar said:
It'll have big implications for the Lib Dems too as Julian Huppert is the sole remaining MP.PeterC said:
Will have big implications for any renewal of the Con/Lib coalition and/or LibDem leadership contest if Farron is out.Bob__Sykes said:
Lest we forget, the Lib Dems did sort of come from nowhere in W&L in 2005, a Tory safe seat since its creation, and they did so by winning the backing of Labour voters or Labour-inclined voters who couldn't be bothered in a safe Tory seat, particularly against the backdrop of Howard's 2005 campaign. Farron won his stonking majority on the back of the Cleggasm, and a catalogue of disaster and infighting amongst the local W&L Tories (and their HQ and voter lists were lost to a fire IIRC), and whilst he's undoubtedly popular locally, his party is pretty toxic up north now and I reckon many in W&L may be less inclined to come out in great numbers for the LDs.Pulpstar said:
90% probability Con Gain Westmorland and Lonsdale I heard.Tissue_Price said:
Indeed, Purseybear will be delighted. Or maybe she won't. Hard to tell. Difficult call. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.Danny565 said:
I thought nothing about it tbh. It's just so incredibly bland that you wonder why they're bothering to stand in this election atall if they have that little to say.Plato said:How did you feel about the Labour manifesto? What caught your eye? It's passed me by and I really need to read it.
Danny565 said:Think the manifestos might well be the turning point of the whole election. Labour completely miscalculated: people don't want "credibility", they want HOPE that things are going to get better, and on that score the Tories are outgunning Labour (even if they don't keep any of their promises).
Even more depressing is their reaction to the Tory manifesto today. People don't want to hear nitpicking about how realistic or "costed" things are; people are currently so desperate for some hope that they WANT to believe things are going to get better.
Best get on fast.
I'd love to see W&L back in the Tory column. I spend a lot of my time there, and still find it hard to believe it's not blue!
Can't believe the way the odds have moved that the bookies have taken much on the reds for the seat.
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All good things and all thatJonCisBack said:
1983Plato said:When did Yeovil last change hands? It must be decades.
Danny565 said:
Outside shot of the Lib Dems losing Yeovil IMO.Pulpstar said:
He is. If he loses, the Lib Dems are going to end up with less than 5 seats for sure. I make him just about the safest, safer than Yeovil, Bath, Orkney even.Plato said:I thought Farron was on solid ground for GE2015, am I wrong?
PeterC said:
Will have big implications for any renewal of the Con/Lib coalition and/or LibDem leadership contest if Farron is out.Bob__Sykes said:
Lest we forget, the Lib Dems did sort of come from nowhere in W&L in 2005, a Tory safe seat since its creation, and they did so by winning the backing of Labour voters or Labour-inclined voters who couldn't be bothered in a safe Tory seat, particularly against the backdrop of Howard's 2005 campaign. Farron won his stonking majority on the back of the Cleggasm, and a catalogue of disaster and infighting amongst the local W&L Tories (and their HQ and voter lists were lost to a fire IIRC), and whilst he's undoubtedly popular locally, his party is pretty toxic up north now and I reckon many in W&L may be less inclined to come out in great numbers for the LDs.Pulpstar said:
90% probability Con Gain Westmorland and Lonsdale I heard.Tissue_Price said:
Indeed, Purseybear will be delighted. Or maybe she won't. Hard to tell. Difficult call. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.Danny565 said:
I thought nothing about it tbh. It's just so incredibly bland that you wonder why they're bothering to stand in this election atall if they have that little to say.Plato said:How did you feel about the Labour manifesto? What caught your eye? It's passed me by and I really need to read it.
Danny565 said:Think the manifestos might well be the turning point of the whole election. Labour completely miscalculated: people don't want "credibility", they want HOPE that things are going to get better, and on that score the Tories are outgunning Labour (even if they don't keep any of their promises).
Even more depressing is their reaction to the Tory manifesto today. People don't want to hear nitpicking about how realistic or "costed" things are; people are currently so desperate for some hope that they WANT to believe things are going to get better.
Best get on fast.
I'd love to see W&L back in the Tory column. I spend a lot of my time there, and still find it hard to believe it's not blue!
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In your hutch ting tongFlightpath said:
You are the one who supports the ting tong sneering - 'ugly nativist' - wing of British politics. Where is the 'ting tong' lady in question? Oh I guess you don't know now she has been expelled - despite being so highly thought of she was second on UKIPs regional listisam said:
Back in your hutch ting tongFlightpath said:
No it is not. And you are seriously bonkers.isam said:
Fair enough point about the comparison with bear baiting, witch burning.SouthamObserver said:
Not many people enjoy watching a fox being ripped apart and very few of those on a hunt get to see it or want to see it, though they may see the aftermath. They see the foxes death as a necessity, but they do not see much difference in how it is killed. They may be wrong - but that, I would posit, is what separates hunting from things such as bear baiting, dog fighting and burning women as witches.tyson said:
The visceral enjoyment of seeing an animal ripped apart is as grotesque to me as paedophilia. Doubtless there are a few people who could justify that too.Casino_Royale said:
A very reasonable post SO.SouthamObserver said:"What most anti-fox hunting people really object to is the idea of people they don't like enjoying it."
I am not sure that is true. There have always been large majorities in favour of a ban and my impression is that's because most people feel it is cruel, not because who does it. And it is cruel - the terrified fox is hunted down and torn to shreds by a pack of dogs.
However, as someone once said: that's life. Foxes are a pest and they have to be dealt with. snip
Whilst I don't agree it's as explicitly cruel as you say it is, and do think class stereotypes play a big part in its opposition, you have a very nuanced, balanced and well-considered view on this which is, sadly, rare in this debate. And even brave.
I just do not equate the on-going physical and sexual abuse of a human child, and the resulting life-long trauma that causes, with the one-off chase and killing of a fox.
You are also right that the killing of a fox is not equivalent to sexual abuse of a child, it is equivalent to murdering a child you think of as a pest
A fox is officially vermin. A child is officially a human being.
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The bit in bold might be a short-term issue. But I agree with the overall thrust of your analysis.Richard_Nabavi said:Labour, having gone ludicrously over-the-top a few weeks ago in describing the Conservative plans as swingeing, ideologically-driven cuts, which will take us back to Victorian times, are now having to try to switch to the opposite argument and claim that Cameron is promising unfunded giveaways.
This looks like a deliberate trap set by Osborne, and a rather nifty one. The message which most voters will get is that Conservative austerity can't be all that bad after all. Given that the Conservatives have a considerable advantage in economic credibility, that's quite a good position.
At the same time, Labour seem to have got themselves into a strategic hole with their late conversion to the message: 'any austerity Osborne can do, we can do better'. That won't play well with their core vote, and certainly not in Scotland. What's more the timing is particularly difficult for Miliband: on Thursday he'll face the challengers' debate with three feisty ladies taking chunks from his left and Nigel Farage skewering him on credibility.
I expect the Conservatives to pull ahead (or further ahead) in the next week or two.0 -
That's pretty astute. The big danger for the Tories now is that they actually have to deliver on this and can't let certain commitments go because of a hung Parliament.Richard_Nabavi said:Labour, having gone ludicrously over-the-top a few weeks ago in describing the Conservative plans as swingeing, ideologically-driven cuts, which will take us back to Victorian times, are now having to try to switch to the opposite argument and claim that Cameron is promising unfunded giveaways.
This looks like a deliberate trap set by Osborne, and a rather nifty one. The message which most voters will get is that Conservative austerity can't be all that bad after all. Given that the Conservatives have a considerable advantage in economic credibility, that's quite a good position.
At the same time, Labour seem to have got themselves into a strategic hole with their late conversion to the message: 'any austerity Osborne can do, we can do better'. That won't play well with their core vote, and certainly not in Scotland. What's more the timing is particularly difficult for Miliband: on Thursday he'll face the challengers' debate with three feisty ladies taking chunks from his left and Nigel Farage skewering him on credibility.
I expect the Conservatives to pull ahead (or further ahead) in the next week or two.
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2nd place will be interesting this time around - Cons were hot favourites to be 3rd in 2010 - but weren't..Pulpstar said:
The Conservatives coming second means he'll get a whole bunch of Labour "tactical" votes.TGOHF said:
News from Huppertville is that with the Con candidate getting herself in a tangle at a local hustings over "writsbands for the mentally disabled" that Hupperts nailed on nails are now nailed on.Pulpstar said:
It'll have big implications for the Lib Dems too as Julian Huppert is the sole remaining MP.PeterC said:
Will have big implications for any renewal of the Con/Lib coalition and/or LibDem leadership contest if Farron is out.Bob__Sykes said:
e's undoubtedly popular locally, his party is pretty toxic up north now and I reckon many in W&L may be less inclined to come out in great numbers for the LDs.Pulpstar said:
90% probability Con Gain Westmorland and Lonsdale I heard.Tissue_Price said:
Indeed, Purseybear will be delighted. Or maybe she won't. Hard to tell. Difficult call. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.Danny565 said:
I thought nothing about it tbh. It's just so incredibly bland that you wonder why they're bothering to stand in this election atall if they have that little to say.Plato said:How did you feel about the Labour manifesto? What caught your eye? It's passed me by and I really need to read it.
Danny565 said:Think the manifestos might well be the turning point of the whole election. Labour completely miscalculated: people don't want "credibility", they want HOPE that things are going to get better, and on that score the Tories are outgunning Labour (even if they don't keep any of their promises).
Even more depressing is their reaction to the Tory manifesto today. People don't want to hear nitpicking about how realistic or "costed" things are; people are currently so desperate for some hope that they WANT to believe things are going to get better.
Best get on fast.
I'd love to see W&L back in the Tory column. I spend a lot of my time there, and still find it hard to believe it's not blue!
Can't believe the way the odds have moved that the bookies have taken much on the reds for the seat.
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A colleague who lives in Hammersmith says he has seen Andy Slaughter several times recently. Putting big push into holding it.
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If Farron is out there won't be enough LibDems to form a coalition.PeterC said:
Will have big implications for any renewal of the Con/Lib coalition and/or LibDem leadership contest if Farron is out.Bob__Sykes said:
Lest we forget, the Lib Dems did sort of come from nowhere in W&L in 2005, a Tory safe seat since its creation, and they did so by winning the backing of Labour voters or Labour-inclined voters who couldn't be bothered in a safe Tory seat, particularly against the backdrop of Howard's 2005 campaign. Farron won his stonking majority on the back of the Cleggasm, and a catalogue of disaster and infighting amongst the local W&L Tories (and their HQ and voter lists were lost to a fire IIRC), and whilst he's undoubtedly popular locally, his party is pretty toxic up north now and I reckon many in W&L may be less inclined to come out in great numbers for the LDs.Pulpstar said:
90% probability Con Gain Westmorland and Lonsdale I heard.Tissue_Price said:
Indeed, Purseybear will be delighted. Or maybe she won't. Hard to tell. Difficult call. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.Danny565 said:
I thought nothing about it tbh. It's just so incredibly bland that you wonder why they're bothering to stand in this election atall if they have that little to say.Plato said:How did you feel about the Labour manifesto? What caught your eye? It's passed me by and I really need to read it.
Danny565 said:Think the manifestos might well be the turning point of the whole election. Labour completely miscalculated: people don't want "credibility", they want HOPE that things are going to get better, and on that score the Tories are outgunning Labour (even if they don't keep any of their promises).
Even more depressing is their reaction to the Tory manifesto today. People don't want to hear nitpicking about how realistic or "costed" things are; people are currently so desperate for some hope that they WANT to believe things are going to get better.
Best get on fast.
I'd love to see W&L back in the Tory column. I spend a lot of my time there, and still find it hard to believe it's not blue!
The predictions on here are getting more extreme by the day. I hope nobody's risking too much money on some of these.0 -
Isn't that electionforecast.co.uk?Pulpstar said:
No, he's quite open about it:Plato said:Really? Well that's more white labeling like Ashcroft - I really don't like this trend.
Pulpstar said:
He's not predicting anything at all this time though, he's just using Hanretty's model.Plato said:I remain highly sceptical about Mr Silver. The UK market is perplexing our own expert pollsters - he comes from a two party system and IIRC was very wrong in his last UK predictions.
Let's see how he calls it this time. Until then, he's in the Angus Reid column credibility wise.
Speaking of Angus Reid, they seemed to have a great methodology and were very keen to learn about the UK market - whatever went so wrong for them?logical_song said:
It will be interesting to see how Nate Silver's predictions work out. He has UKIP on one.Plato said:I really don't know. The sitting MP has a good local rep, the Tories are hitting the streets - but so are the LDs.
It's going to be very tight. I certainly don't think the LDs are 20% near anything. A coin toss IMO.TCPoliticalBetting said:Plato, I think you are near/in Eastbourne, do you see Eastbourne a definite hold for LDs? This NateSilver website does by 20%.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/interactives/uk-general-election-predictions/
U.K. General Election Predictions
"FiveThirtyEight is publishing forecasts for the 2015 parliamentary election developed by Chris Hanretty, Ben Lauderdale and Nick Vivyan, a group of U.K. academics. Their model combines opinion polls, historical election results and census data. More U.K. election coverage »"0 -
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As the day goes on, other policies - beyond the headline-grabbers - in the Conservative manifesto are coming to light. The party wants to change the rules on industrial action so a strike could only go ahead "based on a ballot in which half the workforce has voted". And public sector workers would only be able to go out on strike if it was directly supported by 40% of people entitled to take part. The manifesto states: "We will protect you from disruptive and undemocratic strike action."
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Not at 1-12, doesn't justify the liquidity loss for me. But it's probably a sound enough bet.logical_song said:
If Farron is out there won't be enough LibDems to form a coalition.PeterC said:
Will have big implications for any renewal of the Con/Lib coalition and/or LibDem leadership contest if Farron is out.Bob__Sykes said:
Lest we forget, the Lib Dems did sort of come from nowhere in W&L in 2005, a Tory safe seat since its creation, and they did so by winning the backing of Labour voters or Labour-inclined voters who couldn't be bothered in a safe Tory seat, particularly against the backdrop of Howard's 2005 campaign. Farron won his stonking majority on the back of the Cleggasm, and a catalogue of disaster and infighting amongst the local W&L Tories (and their HQ and voter lists were lost to a fire IIRC), and whilst he's undoubtedly popular locally, his party is pretty toxic up north now and I reckon many in W&L may be less inclined to come out in great numbers for the LDs.Pulpstar said:
90% probability Con Gain Westmorland and Lonsdale I heard.Tissue_Price said:
Indeed, Purseybear will be delighted. Or maybe she won't. Hard to tell. Difficult call. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.Danny565 said:
I thought nothing about it tbh. It's just so incredibly bland that you wonder why they're bothering to stand in this election atall if they have that little to say.Plato said:How did you feel about the Labour manifesto? What caught your eye? It's passed me by and I really need to read it.
Danny565 said:Think the manifestos might well be the turning point of the whole election. Labour completely miscalculated: people don't want "credibility", they want HOPE that things are going to get better, and on that score the Tories are outgunning Labour (even if they don't keep any of their promises).
Even more depressing is their reaction to the Tory manifesto today. People don't want to hear nitpicking about how realistic or "costed" things are; people are currently so desperate for some hope that they WANT to believe things are going to get better.
Best get on fast.
I'd love to see W&L back in the Tory column. I spend a lot of my time there, and still find it hard to believe it's not blue!
The predictions on here are getting more extreme by the day. I hope nobody's risking too much money on some of these.0 -
Mansion tax is a big issue nowhere. Andy is out there because it is a marginal, like it was last time.taffys said:A colleague who lives in Hammersmith says he has seen Andy Slaughter several times recently. Putting big push into holding it.
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Take your pick!surbiton said:
We don't hear much from the "crossover" pundits anymore.Sunil_Prasannan said:
It was 0.8% inc. last night's YG - need to plug in TNS though, watch this space!murali_s said:
How's the part-ELBOW looking? Showing a Labour lead I hope...Sunil_Prasannan said:
No, it was 2%!Scrapheap_as_was said:Did I see a TNS poll out with a Tory lead of ** just ** 3% this morning?
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I got 80%. I'm not in favour of freechild care, but it's a vote winner. Don't recall the other issue so can't be terribly important.MarkHopkins said:0
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Whatever sympathies one might have for David Laws, it wouldn't be difficult to paint him as an expenses cheat who was lucky to get a slap on the wrist. I wonder how the local Tories are campaigning?Plato said:When did Yeovil last change hands? It must be decades.
Danny565 said:
Outside shot of the Lib Dems losing Yeovil IMO.0 -
I loved this one.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/liveScott_P said:As the day goes on, other policies - beyond the headline-grabbers - in the Conservative manifesto are coming to light. The party wants to change the rules on industrial action so a strike could only go ahead "based on a ballot in which half the workforce has voted". And public sector workers would only be able to go out on strike if it was directly supported by 40% of people entitled to take part. The manifesto states: "We will protect you from disruptive and undemocratic strike action."
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Isn't it just! Fun though - I still didn't agree with somethings.BannedInParis said:0
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And as for Labour's idea of mini-manifestos for specific sub-groups...
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/13/labour-ethnic-minority-voters-manifesto-top-jobs-quotas-hate-crime-reforms
... Was there ever a dafter idea? At best it's incredibly patronising ("we didn't think you were important enough to include these policies in our grown-up manifesto"), or else it looks like a deliberate attempt to present contradictory messages to different groups. Or even to deliberately encourage division on ethnic and other grounds.0 -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/liveScott_P said:As the day goes on, other policies - beyond the headline-grabbers - in the Conservative manifesto are coming to light. The party wants to change the rules on industrial action so a strike could only go ahead "based on a ballot in which half the workforce has voted". And public sector workers would only be able to go out on strike if it was directly supported by 40% of people entitled to take part. The manifesto states: "We will protect you from disruptive and undemocratic strike action."
Excellent stuff.
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Cleggars is just terrible on attacking the Tories with his fake laughter on Sky.
Whatever he's doing, it just sounds silly.0 -
Given its geographical significance, perhaps he is desperately seeking a watershed moment.Pulpstar said:Murphy spending time in Cumbernauld of all places shows the suspension of reality Scottish Labour exist in at the moment.
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Envy; Hate; Fatcha.Danny565 said:
I'm afraid I have to agree.Richard_Nabavi said:Labour, having gone ludicrously over-the-top a few weeks ago in describing the Conservative plans as swingeing, ideologically-driven cuts, which will take us back to Victorian times, are now having to try to switch to the opposite argument and claim that Cameron is promising unfunded giveaways.
This looks like a deliberate trap set by Osborne, and a rather nifty one. The message which most voters will get is that Conservative austerity can't be all that bad after all. Given that the Conservatives have a considerable advantage in economic credibility, that's quite a good position.
At the same time, Labour seem to have got themselves into a strategic hole with their late conversion to the message: 'any austerity Osborne can do, we can do better'. That won't play well with their core vote, and certainly not in Scotland. What's more the timing is particularly difficult for Miliband: on Thursday he'll face the challengers' debate with three feisty ladies taking chunks from his left and Nigel Farage skewering him on credibility.
I expect the Conservatives to pull ahead (or further ahead) in the next week or two.
I'm just at a loss to understand what the rationale for voting Labour is supposed to be now.
So the same as before really.0 -
"The party wants to change the rules on democracy so a Govt. could only go ahead "based on a ballot in which half the Electorate has voted". And Govt. would only be able govern if it was directly supported by 40% of people entitled to take part. The manifesto states: "We will protect you from disruptive and undemocratic Government."Plato said:I loved this one.
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I felt very sorry for Mr Laws at the time, but I can see why it'd nark many voters even now.
He's vulnerable for sure.Tissue_Price said:
Whatever sympathies one might have for David Laws, it wouldn't be difficult to paint him as an expenses cheat who was lucky to get a slap on the wrist. I wonder how the local Tories are campaigning?Plato said:When did Yeovil last change hands? It must be decades.
Danny565 said:
Outside shot of the Lib Dems losing Yeovil IMO.0 -
Agree.Richard_Nabavi said:And as for Labour's idea of mini-manifestos for specific sub-groups...
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/13/labour-ethnic-minority-voters-manifesto-top-jobs-quotas-hate-crime-reforms
... Was there ever a dafter idea? At best it's incredibly patronising ("we didn't think you were important enough to include these policies in our grown-up manifesto"), or else it looks like a deliberate attempt to present contradictory messages to different groups. Or even to deliberately encourage division on ethnic and other grounds.
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Conservative party member does not like Clegg attacking her party - shock , horror .Plato said:Cleggars is just terrible on attacking the Tories with his fake laughter on Sky.
Whatever he's doing, it just sounds silly.0 -
Ashcroft has the Tories dropping to low 20s in Cambridge, to the benefit of Huppert.TGOHF said:
2nd place will be interesting this time around - Cons were hot favourites to be 3rd in 2010 - but weren't..Pulpstar said:
The Conservatives coming second means he'll get a whole bunch of Labour "tactical" votes.TGOHF said:
News from Huppertville is that with the Con candidate getting herself in a tangle at a local hustings over "writsbands for the mentally disabled" that Hupperts nailed on nails are now nailed on.Pulpstar said:
It'll have big implications for the Lib Dems too as Julian Huppert is the sole remaining MP.PeterC said:
Will have big implications for any renewal of the Con/Lib coalition and/or LibDem leadership contest if Farron is out.Bob__Sykes said:
e's undoubtedly popular locally, his party is pretty toxic up north now and I reckon many in W&L may be less inclined to come out in great numbers for the LDs.Pulpstar said:
90% probability Con Gain Westmorland and Lonsdale I heard.Tissue_Price said:
Indeed, Purseybear will be delighted. Or maybe she won't. Hard to tell. Difficult call. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.Danny565 said:
I thought nothing about it tbh. It's just so incredibly bland that you wonder why they're bothering to stand in this election atall if they have that little to say.Plato said:How did you feel about the Labour manifesto? What caught your eye? It's passed me by and I really need to read it.
Danny565 said:Think the manifestos might well be the turning point of the whole election. Labour completely miscalculated: people don't want "credibility", they want HOPE that things are going to get better, and on that score the Tories are outgunning Labour (even if they don't keep any of their promises).
Even more depressing is their reaction to the Tory manifesto today. People don't want to hear nitpicking about how realistic or "costed" things are; people are currently so desperate for some hope that they WANT to believe things are going to get better.
Best get on fast.
I'd love to see W&L back in the Tory column. I spend a lot of my time there, and still find it hard to believe it's not blue!
Can't believe the way the odds have moved that the bookies have taken much on the reds for the seat.
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Is a minority manifesto what I think it is? A separate manifesto for people depending on the colour of their skin?TheWatcher said:How did the launch of Labour's 'Minority Manifesto' go earlier today?
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So Emma Reynolds did say Labour had no funding for their housing proposal
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02p4wn90 -
Tory manifesto - 70%Plato said:
Labour manifesto - 20%
They guess I'll be voting Tory then. Probably right.
I had to think hard about some questions though, on both, and not sure the chosen answers always entirely aligned but were better than the alternative option.
On a reading of the actual documents, I think 20% unfairly represents my view of the Labour prospectus, and let's face it, the Sun questions are loaded to make you come out as a Tory.0 -
I'm perplexed that the STORY is about RTB, I thought the No Tax Minimum Wage is the killer message for Joe Average. Recycling old Fatcha stuff is just so uninteresting. Many voters weren't born when she was in power. It's a plaster bogeyman.
It effects more people. Most peculiar, then again I'm a PR wonk with a bias.0 -
Labour's Manifesto co-written by a tax dodger....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3037813/How-Red-Ken-helped-write-Ed-s-manifesto-ANDREW-PIERCE-stories-spin-doctors-DON-T-want-read.html0 -
The Labour wordings are even better. FWIW I got 80% & 20%Plato said:Isn't it just! Fun though - I still didn't agree with somethings.
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Yup. Identity politics at its most base level.
I'd be insulted.JEO said:
Is a minority manifesto what I think it is? A separate manifesto for people depending on the colour of their skin?TheWatcher said:How did the launch of Labour's 'Minority Manifesto' go earlier today?
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I realise some people like the idea of government taking a moral lead more than others, but this idea of using the Pests Act 1954 (which i just googled to check you weren't being satirical) as a guide to where we should draw moral equivalence is absurd.Flightpath said:
No it is not. And you are seriously bonkers.
A fox is officially vermin. A child is officially a human being.
A child may be a pest, but he/she does not fall under the Pests Act 1954.
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@WingsScotland: Nobody on the minimum wage paying income tax is the sort of policy Labour ought to have had, not the Tories.0 -
I trust he's not making another desperate attempt to distance his party from Cyril Smith, the predatory paedophile MP.Plato said:Cleggars is just terrible on attacking the Tories with his fake laughter on Sky.
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That might be good enough for 2ndrcs1000 said:
Ashcroft has the Tories dropping to low 20s in Cambridge, to the benefit of Huppert.TGOHF said:
2nd place will be interesting this time around - Cons were hot favourites to be 3rd in 2010 - but weren't..Pulpstar said:
The Conservatives coming second means he'll get a whole bunch of Labour "tactical" votes.TGOHF said:
News from Huppertville is that with the Con candidate getting herself in a tangle at a local hustings over "writsbands for the mentally disabled" that Hupperts nailed on nails are now nailed on.Pulpstar said:
It'll have big implications for the Lib Dems too as Julian Huppert is the sole remaining MP.PeterC said:
Will have big implications for any renewal of the Con/Lib coalition and/or LibDem leadership contest if Farron is out.Bob__Sykes said:
e's undoubtedly popular locally, his party is pretty toxic up north now and I reckon many in W&L may be less inclined to come out in great numbers for the LDs.Pulpstar said:
90% probability Con Gain Westmorland and Lonsdale I heard.Tissue_Price said:
Indeed, Purseybear will be delighted. Or maybe she won't. Hard to tell. Difficult call. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.Danny565 said:
I thought nothing about it tbh. It's just so incredibly bland that you wonder why they're bothering to stand in this election atall if they have that little to say.Plato said:How did you feel about the Labour manifesto? What caught your eye? It's passed me by and I really need to read it.
Danny565 said:Think the manifestos might well be the turning point of the whole election. Labour completely miscalculated: people don't want "credibility", they want HOPE that things are going to get better, and on that score the Tories are outgunning Labour (even if they don't keep any of their promises).
Even more depressing is their reaction to the Tory manifesto today. People don't want to hear nitpicking about how realistic or "costed" things are; people are currently so desperate for some hope that they WANT to believe things are going to get better.
Best get on fast.
I'd love to see W&L back in the Tory column. I spend a lot of my time there, and still find it hard to believe it's not blue!
Can't believe the way the odds have moved that the bookies have taken much on the reds for the seat.
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I scored 0% on the Labour manifesto. Well that's a surprise.Tissue_Price said:The Labour wordings are even better. FWIW I got 80% & 20%
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''A separate manifesto for people depending on the colour of their skin?''
And one that, on the face of it, labour would rather the majority did not know about...??
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Hence EdM's outrage. It really is a barn-stormer. Perhaps the MSM will notice it shortly.Scott_P said:
ROFL
@WingsScotland: Nobody on the minimum wage paying income tax is the sort of policy Labour ought to have had, not the Tories.0 -
I'm also 60% Katie Hopkins, alarmingly, and 50% UKIP.
And in terms of the previous Sun "How Tory are you" quiz, I got 80% and am, apparently "backing David Cameron all the way".
So there you are.
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UKIP policy for a long timePlato said:Hence EdM's outrage. It really is a barn-stormer. Perhaps the MSM will notice it shortly.
Scott_P said:ROFL
@WingsScotland: Nobody on the minimum wage paying income tax is the sort of policy Labour ought to have had, not the Tories.0 -
Indeed. Labour's pink lady bus annoyed a lot of women simply because it was PINK. It is a nice colour but it could equally have been red.Richard_Nabavi said:And as for Labour's idea of mini-manifestos for specific sub-groups...
... Was there ever a dafter idea? At best it's incredibly patronising ("we didn't think you were important enough to include these policies in our grown-up manifesto"), or else it looks like a deliberate attempt to present contradictory messages to different groups. Or even to deliberately encourage division on ethnic and other grounds.
Would the Labour "Men's Policy Bus" go round painted BLUE?
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Mr. Nabavi, don't you want a free owl?
Miss Plato, a lot of decent people will be offended. But some really buy into the bullshit of identity politics (cf Khan with his ethnic minority quotas).0 -
I agreed with a pro-Labour question and still got 0%.
It Was Rigged!!!Richard_Nabavi said:
I scored 0% on the Labour manifesto. Well that's a surprise.Tissue_Price said:The Labour wordings are even better. FWIW I got 80% & 20%
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Neither of those are the centrepiece, imo. The centrepiece is the childcare.Plato said:I'm perplexed that the STORY is about RTB, I thought the No Tax Minimum Wage is the killer message for Joe Average. Recycling old Fatcha stuff is just so uninteresting. Many voters weren't born when she was in power. It's a plaster bogeyman.
It effects more people. Most peculiar, then again I'm a PR wonk with a bias.0 -
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/13/labour-ethnic-minority-voters-manifesto-top-jobs-quotas-hate-crime-reformsJEO said:
Is a minority manifesto what I think it is? A separate manifesto for people depending on the colour of their skin?TheWatcher said:How did the launch of Labour's 'Minority Manifesto' go earlier today?
http://www2.labour.org.uk/harman-and-miliband-launch-labours-bame-manifesto0 -
Because there's no women's manifesto?Plato said:Yup. Identity politics at its most base level.
I'd be insulted.JEO said:
Is a minority manifesto what I think it is? A separate manifesto for people depending on the colour of their skin?TheWatcher said:How did the launch of Labour's 'Minority Manifesto' go earlier today?
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A decade ago we had some female cancer thingy at work which demanded that we wore pink. I was browbeaten into playing along by my HR Dir as *showing concern*
I looked at my wardrobe and noticed that with over 20ft of hanging space - there wasn't a single pink garment. Not even undies.
I really don't like this identity politics stuff - at all.Beverley_C said:
Indeed. Labour's pink lady bus annoyed a lot of women simply because it was PINK. It is a nice colour but it could equally have been red.Richard_Nabavi said:And as for Labour's idea of mini-manifestos for specific sub-groups...
... Was there ever a dafter idea? At best it's incredibly patronising ("we didn't think you were important enough to include these policies in our grown-up manifesto"), or else it looks like a deliberate attempt to present contradictory messages to different groups. Or even to deliberately encourage division on ethnic and other grounds.
Would the Labour "Men's Policy Bus" go round painted BLUE?0 -
We had the Lady Bus. In pink....Tissue_Price said:Because there's no women's manifesto?
That shows how serious it was.
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I prefer the expression "kiddie-fiddling lard mountain." Either way, it would be extraordinary if a Lib Dem who routinely sought to defend the repellent old pervert, were to attack another poster for undue tribalism.TheWatcher said:
I trust he's not making another desperate attempt to distance his party from Cyril Smith, the predatory paedophile MP.Plato said:Cleggars is just terrible on attacking the Tories with his fake laughter on Sky.
Whatever he's doing, it just sounds silly.0 -
The £8 Billion initial question was a Conservative policy in case you're getting confused.Plato said:I agreed with a pro-Labour question and still got 0%.
It Was Rigged!!!Richard_Nabavi said:
I scored 0% on the Labour manifesto. Well that's a surprise.Tissue_Price said:The Labour wordings are even better. FWIW I got 80% & 20%
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You're right. IIRC the 24-35 age group tend to drift Labour as they're family orientated. Being brazenly offered by the PM £5000 next year is a big bribe that will shift votes purely based on self-interest.
It's a cute move, I don't like it fiscally - but I get it.Tissue_Price said:
Neither of those are the centrepiece, imo. The centrepiece is the childcare.Plato said:I'm perplexed that the STORY is about RTB, I thought the No Tax Minimum Wage is the killer message for Joe Average. Recycling old Fatcha stuff is just so uninteresting. Many voters weren't born when she was in power. It's a plaster bogeyman.
It effects more people. Most peculiar, then again I'm a PR wonk with a bias.0 -
I am sorry, is "Lady Bus" a euphemism ...?Beverley_C said:We had the Lady Bus. In pink....
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So basically they are going to stuff the civil service and elsewhere with people based upon meeting quotas, rather than address the real underlying issues. Apparently, it is a really bad thing that our civil service hires people from the worlds best universities, so they will cut down on that.TheWatcher said:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/13/labour-ethnic-minority-voters-manifesto-top-jobs-quotas-hate-crime-reformsJEO said:
Is a minority manifesto what I think it is? A separate manifesto for people depending on the colour of their skin?TheWatcher said:How did the launch of Labour's 'Minority Manifesto' go earlier today?
http://www2.labour.org.uk/harman-and-miliband-launch-labours-bame-manifesto
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It's a cute move, I don't like it fiscally - but I get it.
There are some big ifs in the tory manifesto.
12 billion savings from benny cuts...??
5 billion from tax avoidance clampdown....???
really....??0 -
1.6 million kids aged 3 or 4. Plus of course another 2.4 million aged 0-2, and a few twinkles in eyes to boot.Plato said:You're right. IIRC the 24-35 age group tend to drift Labour as they're family orientated. Being brazenly offered by the PM £5000 next year is a big bribe that will shift votes purely based on self-interest.
It's a cute move, I don't like it fiscally - but I get it.Tissue_Price said:
Neither of those are the centrepiece, imo. The centrepiece is the childcare.Plato said:I'm perplexed that the STORY is about RTB, I thought the No Tax Minimum Wage is the killer message for Joe Average. Recycling old Fatcha stuff is just so uninteresting. Many voters weren't born when she was in power. It's a plaster bogeyman.
It effects more people. Most peculiar, then again I'm a PR wonk with a bias.0 -
I'm a really bad constituency of one to ask about this. I detest wimmin things. I've used my feminine wiles to great effect. And I think like a bloke in a guys' world.
Being patronised by other wimmin and worse I'm A Feminist Man just annoys me more than anything.
So, the notion of a pink bus to portray me as a *victim* just blows the socks off it.Tissue_Price said:
Because there's no women's manifesto?Plato said:Yup. Identity politics at its most base level.
I'd be insulted.JEO said:
Is a minority manifesto what I think it is? A separate manifesto for people depending on the colour of their skin?TheWatcher said:How did the launch of Labour's 'Minority Manifesto' go earlier today?
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Tories, expenses?Tissue_Price said:
Whatever sympathies one might have for David Laws, it wouldn't be difficult to paint him as an expenses cheat who was lucky to get a slap on the wrist. I wonder how the local Tories are campaigning?Plato said:When did Yeovil last change hands? It must be decades.
Danny565 said:
Outside shot of the Lib Dems losing Yeovil IMO.
Glasshouses, Moats and Duck Houses spring to mind.0 -
Gove has just thrown in the towel:
https://twitter.com/ChrisGibsonNews/status/5879675360267468800 -
How much is all this lot costing ?!Tissue_Price said:
1.6 million kids aged 3 or 4. Plus of course another 2.4 million aged 0-2, and a few twinkles in eyes to boot.Plato said:You're right. IIRC the 24-35 age group tend to drift Labour as they're family orientated. Being brazenly offered by the PM £5000 next year is a big bribe that will shift votes purely based on self-interest.
It's a cute move, I don't like it fiscally - but I get it.Tissue_Price said:
Neither of those are the centrepiece, imo. The centrepiece is the childcare.Plato said:I'm perplexed that the STORY is about RTB, I thought the No Tax Minimum Wage is the killer message for Joe Average. Recycling old Fatcha stuff is just so uninteresting. Many voters weren't born when she was in power. It's a plaster bogeyman.
It effects more people. Most peculiar, then again I'm a PR wonk with a bias.0 -
Plato said:
A decade ago we had some female cancer thingy at work which demanded that we wore pink. I was browbeaten into playing along by my HR Dir as *showing concern*
I looked at my wardrobe and noticed that with over 20ft of hanging space - there wasn't a single pink garment. Not even undies.
I have a pink vest top. The only problem is that even I look "chesty" in it. Definitely Not Suitable For Work but if I had been "browbeaten" as you werr I would have worn it anyway... or my one other pink item, a magenta coloured satin nightie (knee length - very modest)
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There were no claims for moats and duck houses.logical_song said:
Tories, expenses?Tissue_Price said:
Whatever sympathies one might have for David Laws, it wouldn't be difficult to paint him as an expenses cheat who was lucky to get a slap on the wrist. I wonder how the local Tories are campaigning?Plato said:When did Yeovil last change hands? It must be decades.
Danny565 said:
Outside shot of the Lib Dems losing Yeovil IMO.
Glasshouses, Moats and Duck Houses spring to mind.0 -
They're bloody expensive.Pulpstar said:
How much is all this lot costing ?!Tissue_Price said:
1.6 million kids aged 3 or 4. Plus of course another 2.4 million aged 0-2, and a few twinkles in eyes to boot.Plato said:You're right. IIRC the 24-35 age group tend to drift Labour as they're family orientated. Being brazenly offered by the PM £5000 next year is a big bribe that will shift votes purely based on self-interest.
It's a cute move, I don't like it fiscally - but I get it.Tissue_Price said:
Neither of those are the centrepiece, imo. The centrepiece is the childcare.Plato said:I'm perplexed that the STORY is about RTB, I thought the No Tax Minimum Wage is the killer message for Joe Average. Recycling old Fatcha stuff is just so uninteresting. Many voters weren't born when she was in power. It's a plaster bogeyman.
It effects more people. Most peculiar, then again I'm a PR wonk with a bias.0 -
The inescapable fact is that people from good universities are going to dominate the top jobs. I don't think that's a bad thing.FrancisUrquhart said:
So basically they are going to stuff the civil service and elsewhere with people based upon meeting quotas, rather than address the real underlying issues. Apparently, it is a really bad thing that our civil service hires people from the worlds best universities, so they will cut down on that.TheWatcher said:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/13/labour-ethnic-minority-voters-manifesto-top-jobs-quotas-hate-crime-reformsJEO said:
Is a minority manifesto what I think it is? A separate manifesto for people depending on the colour of their skin?TheWatcher said:How did the launch of Labour's 'Minority Manifesto' go earlier today?
http://www2.labour.org.uk/harman-and-miliband-launch-labours-bame-manifesto0 -
I think pretty clear he must have misheard or being incredibly sarcastic (perhaps the media have been asking him that question repeatedly).trublue said:Gove has just thrown in the towel:
https://twitter.com/ChrisGibsonNews/status/5879675360267468800 -
Perhaps, but the Tory challenger does not have an expenses record to defend.logical_song said:
Tories, expenses?Tissue_Price said:
Whatever sympathies one might have for David Laws, it wouldn't be difficult to paint him as an expenses cheat who was lucky to get a slap on the wrist. I wonder how the local Tories are campaigning?Plato said:When did Yeovil last change hands? It must be decades.
Danny565 said:
Outside shot of the Lib Dems losing Yeovil IMO.
Glasshouses, Moats and Duck Houses spring to mind.0 -
Is it true that CRUK's "Race for Life" is only meant for women/girls?Plato said:A decade ago we had some female cancer thingy at work which demanded that we wore pink. I was browbeaten into playing along by my HR Dir as *showing concern*
I looked at my wardrobe and noticed that with over 20ft of hanging space - there wasn't a single pink garment. Not even undies.
I really don't like this identity politics stuff - at all.Beverley_C said:
Indeed. Labour's pink lady bus annoyed a lot of women simply because it was PINK. It is a nice colour but it could equally have been red.Richard_Nabavi said:And as for Labour's idea of mini-manifestos for specific sub-groups...
... Was there ever a dafter idea? At best it's incredibly patronising ("we didn't think you were important enough to include these policies in our grown-up manifesto"), or else it looks like a deliberate attempt to present contradictory messages to different groups. Or even to deliberately encourage division on ethnic and other grounds.
Would the Labour "Men's Policy Bus" go round painted BLUE?0 -
Be gone dull care! David Cameron chose a warm April day in Swindon to announce his manifesto. The sun streamed through the windows of a bright white room and the chill of Labour’s wintry event 24 hours earlier seemed a world away.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b51e67be-e2a6-11e4-ba33-00144feab7de.html
The prime minister made a speech without a trace of negativity. All the language smacked of springtime: “aspiration”, “ambition”, “a good life”, “a brighter future” and “security”. No mention of Labour, Ed Miliband or back-stabbing. Beforehand, Mr Blue Sky, his perky old theme tune, played on the sound system.
Most startlingly there was this: “We are the party of working people offering security at every stage of your life,” he announced, every bit as brazenly as Mr Miliband had called Labour the party of fiscal responsibility. Coming next: “Brussels is brilliant” — Nigel Farage. “No, it’s rubbish” — Nick Clegg.0 -
I've quite a wrack and my angora jumpers used to provoke A LOT of comments in the mid 90s from male colleagues.
I'm sure they'd be banned nowadays. It was a bit much but a great distraction when I wanted to sway an argument."No, I'm up here..."Beverley_C said:Plato said:A decade ago we had some female cancer thingy at work which demanded that we wore pink. I was browbeaten into playing along by my HR Dir as *showing concern*
I looked at my wardrobe and noticed that with over 20ft of hanging space - there wasn't a single pink garment. Not even undies.
I have a pink vest top. The only problem is that even I look "chesty" in it. Definitely Not Suitable For Work but if I had been "browbeaten" as you werr I would have worn it anyway... or my one other pink item, a magenta coloured satin nightie (knee length - very modest)0
