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High peak ?TheScreamingEagles said:Went canvassing yesterday, forgotten how much fun it is.
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It seems most of Ed's announcements were also promised in 1997. I guess the difference is that Blair was just lying, as he clearly thought it was better not to tackle these as UK economy boomed in the late 90's.Morris_Dancer said:Non-doms: according to Andrew Neil's Twitter account, Labour promised to abolish the status in 1997.
As I've said before, Labour are better at PR than the Conservatives, but bloody awful at actually governing.
We'll see whether that 1997 promise or Balls a few months ago makes the broadcast or print media.
I think Ed does believe he can and should do these things and we will be better off for doing it. Hollande thought it was just as easy to soak the rich and no austerity, what is Red Ed's favourite world leader doing now?0 -
Sky news report leads with Ed Balls comments...0
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Yep - sounds like he is going to go "Hollande on steroids" - that worked well for the FrenchSimonStClare said:Morning all.
Labour had 13 years to do something about Nom-Doms , there was a reason why they didn’t.
This new policy by Ed shows a significant shift to the left imho and is just another attack on wealth creators and big employers.
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My resources will be deployed exclusively in West Yorkshire.Pulpstar said:
High peak ?TheScreamingEagles said:Went canvassing yesterday, forgotten how much fun it is.
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F1: I think P3 finishes at about 6am on Saturday. If so, I'll put up the pre-qualifying piece on Friday.0
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Jeremy Clarkson is set to make his first appearance on the BBC since losing his job as co-presenter on Top Gear.
The controversial broadcaster will appear as the guest host of Have I Got News for You on 24 April.
"Jeremy's contract has not been renewed on Top Gear but he isn't banned from appearing on the BBC," a BBC spokesman said.
Clarkson has hosted the satirical news quiz on numerous occasions.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-322147990 -
Ed strikes me as a man who is well prepared to follow through.FrancisUrquhart said:
It seems most of Ed's announcements were also promised in 1997. I guess the difference is that Blair was just lying, as he clearly thought it was better not to tackle these as UK economy boomed in the late 90's.Morris_Dancer said:Non-doms: according to Andrew Neil's Twitter account, Labour promised to abolish the status in 1997.
As I've said before, Labour are better at PR than the Conservatives, but bloody awful at actually governing.
We'll see whether that 1997 promise or Balls a few months ago makes the broadcast or print media.
I think Ed does believe he can and should do these things and we will be better for doing it.0 -
I think you are right.Pulpstar said:
Ed strikes me as a man who is well prepared to follow through.FrancisUrquhart said:
It seems most of Ed's announcements were also promised in 1997. I guess the difference is that Blair was just lying, as he clearly thought it was better not to tackle these as UK economy boomed in the late 90's.Morris_Dancer said:Non-doms: according to Andrew Neil's Twitter account, Labour promised to abolish the status in 1997.
As I've said before, Labour are better at PR than the Conservatives, but bloody awful at actually governing.
We'll see whether that 1997 promise or Balls a few months ago makes the broadcast or print media.
I think Ed does believe he can and should do these things and we will be better for doing it.0 -
Aha - Halifax, Guiseley, Dewsbury and KeighleyTheScreamingEagles said:
My resources will be deployed exclusively in West Yorkshire.Pulpstar said:
High peak ?TheScreamingEagles said:Went canvassing yesterday, forgotten how much fun it is.
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Afraid to answer the question?BenM said:
It won't cost money.Philip_Thompson said:
Nonsense is it an anachronistic relic, the name may unusual be but many, many nations only charge local incomes and not foreign incomes unless they're brought in (exactly the same as the UK). There are plenty of nations for non-doms to up sticks and move to very, very easily if they wish to do so.BenM said:
Defending an anachronistic relic of the colonial age.Philip_Thompson said:I find it highly entertaining on this thread that the PB Tory response seems to be "only if this raises money" while the PB Labour response seems to say "this is right and fair even if it costs money".
In which case PB Labourites, what budgets do you think should be cut to make this change if it costs money. Welsh Labour cut the NHS budget while English Tories increased it - do PB Labourites want to cut the NHS budget to pay for this change or would you prefer to cut something else?
Has it really come to this for Tories?!
But if you're so keen on costing the Treasury money in the name of "relics" where would you prefer to be cut? Do you want to cut the NHS or something else?
Has it really come to this for Labour?
The Tories managed to spew £3bn on a reform no one wanted to make the NHS far worse than it was in 2010. Nothing to do with tax.
Tory bunker billowing with smoke again.
Considering that Ed Balls and Alastair Darling have both said it will cost money, I repeat - if it costs money which departments do you want to cut to pay for it?0 -
For Ceredigion watchers
Plaid Cymru has been urged to remove its general election candidate for Ceredigion over claims that he once compared some English-born residents of rural Wales to Nazis.
Mike Parker said he was "younger and angrier" when he said in 2001 parts of Wales were inhabited by "gun-toting Final Solution crackpots".
Plaid said he now recognised the language he used as "inappropriate".
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-322145040 -
Is this race live on the BBC, or is it one of their treacherous delayed highlight shows?Morris_Dancer said:F1: I think P3 finishes at about 6am on Saturday. If so, I'll put up the pre-qualifying piece on Friday.
As an aside, how long has the BBC contract got left? Is there a chance that we'll lose all races (bar the British GP, which I think is protected) from terrestrial TV?0 -
So like the second half of the 19th century. Oh well. Will prepare my daughter accordingly.Alanbrooke said:
I think this is more than cyclical Charles, the size of the shock will stick with several generations. It will be like Germans and inflation.Charles said:
These things go in cycles. If it's the fate of my generation to be beaten then so be it. We'll still be here, doing our bit to help the UK, when the beating stopsAlanbrooke said:
I'm afraid Charles your now stuck with banker bashing for the rest of your working life. Osborne needed to put some blood on the carpet early on to kill the issue. He didn't and now it will hang around like a bad smell and get dragged out at every election.Charles said:
You're right.Plato said:
So EdM sticks to the NHS instead and reverts to class war and non-doms? It's so lacking in coherence and grown-up economics - it'd be laughable if it wasn't so serious.
But it will be popular - it's a new variety on "evil bankers will pay for good stuff for me"
But it send a very clear, very unpleasant message.
The demonisation of a specific group of individuals - which seems at the heart of Labour's approach - is very worrying. What next: should all bankers be forced to wear little yellow strips of cloth on their arms to indicate their wealth?0 -
Could we be heading for another polling disaster like 1992?TheScreamingEagles said:The pollsters predict: Miliband nudging ahead
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/08/the-poll-of-pollsters-with-a-month-to-go-its-miliband-by-a-whisker
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If the polls are right, don't change much and UNS is followed even if only E+W, then Ed is PM.TheScreamingEagles said:The pollsters predict: Miliband nudging ahead
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/08/the-poll-of-pollsters-with-a-month-to-go-its-miliband-by-a-whisker0 -
The likes of Elmet & Rothwell and Pudsey are going to be High Noon in this election.Pulpstar said:
Aha - Halifax, Guiseley, Dewsbury and KeighleyTheScreamingEagles said:
My resources will be deployed exclusively in West Yorkshire.Pulpstar said:
High peak ?TheScreamingEagles said:Went canvassing yesterday, forgotten how much fun it is.
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UKIP's general downweighting and the Lib Dems general upweighting could be overdone I'll admit.GIN1138 said:
Could we be heading for another polling disaster like 1992?TheScreamingEagles said:The pollsters predict: Miliband nudging ahead
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/08/the-poll-of-pollsters-with-a-month-to-go-its-miliband-by-a-whisker0 -
One Labour person in charge of Treasury matters to another Labour Party Leader.
"There is nothing that you could ever say to me now that I could ever believe."
Fast forward to Ed Balls position on nomdoms in January..... and compare to what RedEdMiliband has said.0 -
@ToryTreasury: Fastest unravelling on record? Shows why Ed Miliband and Ed Balls should never be allowed anywhere near our economy http://t.co/H6AIEUsU5L0
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I think the polls are going to be largely right.GIN1138 said:
Could we be heading for another polling disaster like 1992?TheScreamingEagles said:The pollsters predict: Miliband nudging ahead
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/08/the-poll-of-pollsters-with-a-month-to-go-its-miliband-by-a-whisker
Where things will go wrong is UNS.0 -
I see the Tory Letter got another Labour donor
Among the new signatories is Simon Woodroffe (pictured), the founder of Yo! Sushi and a former Labour backer, who appeared in a 2004 political broadcast.
I heard a lovely intv with Mr Woodroffe just after he sold Yo! - he asked for the entire balance of the sale to be sent to his current account so he could stand at an ATM and print off the balance slip of £42000000.
I was impressed at such a simple little pleasure.0 -
Tory Treasury @ToryTreasury 14m14 minutes ago
HMRC data: more than 60% of non-doms here for 5 years or less - majority of non-doms unaffected by Labour policy
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It looks like the treacherous delayed highlight show I'm afraid.JosiasJessop said:
Is this race live on the BBC, or is it one of their treacherous delayed highlight shows?Morris_Dancer said:F1: I think P3 finishes at about 6am on Saturday. If so, I'll put up the pre-qualifying piece on Friday.
As an aside, how long has the BBC contract got left? Is there a chance that we'll lose all races (bar the British GP, which I think is protected) from terrestrial TV?
BBC do have Bahrain next weekend if that's any consolation?
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/30704154
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So to sum up:
1: Taxing only locally-earned income like this is done in many nations including Ireland
2: Anyone in the UK has the right to move to Ireland.
3: Alastair Darling said it will cost the UK money
4: Ed Balls said it will cost the UK money
5: Its a good idea because ...0 -
So Ed Balls thinks it would cost the UK money..are EdM and Ed Balls actually talking to each other... it all sounds rather chaotic to me0
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I don't understand this non-dom stuff. What tax advantage would accrue from claiming non-dom status as a citizen of Ireland, for example?0
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It's not the details of the policy that are the issue.NickPalmer said:
I agree on the last sentence, of course, but I don't actually think anyone is demonising individual bankers as people. ... here we are merely discussing the exact proportions of large incomes to be paid in tax.
It's ongoing meme: "bankers destroyed the economy" ; "rich foreigners not paying their fair share"; "immigrants stealing our jobs"; "all muslims are about to join ISIS and/or murder us in our beds" [NB to be clear not all of these are Labour memes - you aren't the only guilty ones]
In each case it is the identification of a group of "others" that normal people rarely, if ever, have much interaction with, and blaming them for everything that is wrong with our country.
A Britain like that is a smaller and less pleasant country in my view. And I will condemn UKIP or Labour or whoever else promulgates it. Some Tories do, but not the leadership - who rightly focus on tax evasion and aggressive tax avoidance and on benefit fraud.
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Mr. Pit, last year's race aside, Bahrain has tended to be bloody awful as a spectacle. It's my view overtaking is harder this year, which may mean it returns to tedium in Bahrain.
Mr. Jessop, not sure about the contract. The BBC's Judas approach to coverage was and remains despicable [fair enough to lose it, not fair enough to do a deal to take it, for the first time ever, off of free-to-air TV].0 -
Ed Miliband believes he will gain at least one more vote.Philip_Thompson said:So to sum up:
1: Taxing only locally-earned income like this is done in many nations including Ireland
2: Anyone in the UK has the right to move to Ireland.
3: Alastair Darling said it will cost the UK money
4: Ed Balls said it will cost the UK money
5: Its a good idea because ...
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I called it *thrashing about* earlier. I think I was understating it.richardDodd said:
So Ed Balls thinks it would cost the UK money..are EdM and Ed Balls actually talking to each other... it all sounds rather chaotic to me
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It means all their earnings in Ireland is still taxed in Ireland, not the UK.OblitusSumMe said:I don't understand this non-dom stuff. What tax advantage would accrue from claiming non-dom status as a citizen of Ireland, for example?
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Going to be a shocking night for the Tories if they don't hold onto Elmet.TheScreamingEagles said:
The likes of Elmet & Rothwell and Pudsey are going to be High Noon in this election.Pulpstar said:
Aha - Halifax, Guiseley, Dewsbury and KeighleyTheScreamingEagles said:
My resources will be deployed exclusively in West Yorkshire.Pulpstar said:
High peak ?TheScreamingEagles said:Went canvassing yesterday, forgotten how much fun it is.
Also I reckon Dave can't afford to lose Pudsey - Ed can just about become PM without it.
If Ed doesn't gain Dewsbury he ain't going to be PM0 -
It seems to me that after a couple of shaky days at the start of the campaign, Labour are being very successful in dominating the media narrative with policy announcements at the start of each day.
Tories best hope is very much a repeat of 1992, namely understating in the polls and Labour support melting away at the last minute.
If Labour do get in (either with SNP or LD support) or on their own, then they better be sure that they do not foul up the economy this time. If they do, with perceived weak leadership and with UKIP waiting in the wings to sweep much of their WWC vote, they will be finished, maybe forever.0 -
And it knocks Blair's 'unhelpful' intervention off the news cycle.TCPoliticalBetting said:
Ed Miliband believes he will gain at least one more vote.Philip_Thompson said:So to sum up:
1: Taxing only locally-earned income like this is done in many nations including Ireland
2: Anyone in the UK has the right to move to Ireland.
3: Alastair Darling said it will cost the UK money
4: Ed Balls said it will cost the UK money
5: Its a good idea because ...0 -
I thought ISIS were odds on to win Dewsbury at this rate.Pulpstar said:
Going to be a shocking night for the Tories if they don't hold onto Elmet.TheScreamingEagles said:
The likes of Elmet & Rothwell and Pudsey are going to be High Noon in this election.Pulpstar said:
Aha - Halifax, Guiseley, Dewsbury and KeighleyTheScreamingEagles said:
My resources will be deployed exclusively in West Yorkshire.Pulpstar said:
High peak ?TheScreamingEagles said:Went canvassing yesterday, forgotten how much fun it is.
Also I reckon Dave can't afford to lose Pudsey - Ed can just about become PM without it.
If Ed doesn't gain Dewsbury he ain't going to be PM0 -
Ha ha - Guido's elves have found the video of Balls from January saying that abolishing non-dom status "Probably ends up costing Britain money".
He's also being a good representative for the Irish Chamber of Commerce, pointing out why the affected non-doms should relocate there! I expect Luxembourg, Monaco and Switzerland to be promoting themselves too, as well as the Asian city states.0 -
Different party?SMukesh said:
The election is in 1 month.different leader,different party,different times...in case you haven't noticedTCPoliticalBetting said:
If this latest red wheeze from Labour is so wonderful, why oh why did they not do it when they were in power for 13 years?SMukesh said:Perfect timing from Ed to differentiate between Labour and the Cons.
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A much better way of putting what I was trying to say! I agree.Charles said:
It's not the details of the policy that are the issue.NickPalmer said:
I agree on the last sentence, of course, but I don't actually think anyone is demonising individual bankers as people. ... here we are merely discussing the exact proportions of large incomes to be paid in tax.
It's ongoing meme: "bankers destroyed the economy" ; "rich foreigners not paying their fair share"; "immigrants stealing our jobs"; "all muslims are about to join ISIS and/or murder us in our beds" [NB to be clear not all of these are Labour memes - you aren't the only guilty ones]
In each case it is the identification of a group of "others" that normal people rarely, if ever, have much interaction with, and blaming them for everything that is wrong with our country.
A Britain like that is a smaller and less pleasant country in my view. And I will condemn UKIP or Labour or whoever else promulgates it. Some Tories do, but not the leadership - who rightly focus on tax evasion and aggressive tax avoidance and on benefit fraud.
How many times over have they spent the bankers' bonus tax now?0 -
Elmet & Rothwell is one of those seats were you'd think, Majority of 8% and 16% Lib Dems there, Labour should hose up, according to all the hype.Pulpstar said:
Going to be a shocking night for the Tories if they don't hold onto Elmet.TheScreamingEagles said:
The likes of Elmet & Rothwell and Pudsey are going to be High Noon in this election.Pulpstar said:
Aha - Halifax, Guiseley, Dewsbury and KeighleyTheScreamingEagles said:
My resources will be deployed exclusively in West Yorkshire.Pulpstar said:
High peak ?TheScreamingEagles said:Went canvassing yesterday, forgotten how much fun it is.
Also I reckon Dave can't afford to lose Pudsey - Ed can just about become PM without it.
If Ed doesn't gain Dewsbury he ain't going to be PM
But we're very confident on holding the seat.
Which makes me think, the 2010 Lib Dems to Lab switchers might not be that influential.0 -
hi all, I have a question, apologies if it has been discussed on here before.
Taking the odds available with bookmakers in each constituency and apportioning seats on that basis, as has been done by firstpastthepost.net in recent weeks, suggests that Labout would have a small lead in seats (currently 280-275), clearly contrasting with the current Most Seats market on Betfair and with bookmakers. My question is, do people think these findings are invalidated by likely restrictions on how much bookmakers will allow to be bet on individual seats ie do they treat them almost like novelty bets? My suspicion is that the answer is yes but I haven't tried to place a hefty bet on a constituency bet. Given that there are clearly people leaving lumpy four-figure bets on Tories to get most seats on Betfair at around 1.5, does this highlight a lack of sophistication amongst those punters or simply reflect it's not worth the effort trying to bet on multiple individual seats at better odds given likely restrictions? And does anyone have personal experience of how much it's possible to get on with bookmakers on an individual seat?0 -
@GuidoFawkes: Norman Smith slams Balls: "this was meant to be be a major manifesto pledge... and it's gone pear shaped"0
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The opinions given in the article and the headline don't tally.TheScreamingEagles said:The pollsters predict: Miliband nudging ahead
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/apr/08/the-poll-of-pollsters-with-a-month-to-go-its-miliband-by-a-whisker0 -
@rosschawkins: Surely Lab knew that Balls iv was out there? Must have expected it to hit social media and get played back to back with his clips on telly0
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I lost count at 9x. Think there's been a few more since then...JonCisBack said:
A much better way of putting what I was trying to say! I agree.Charles said:
It's not the details of the policy that are the issue.NickPalmer said:
I agree on the last sentence, of course, but I don't actually think anyone is demonising individual bankers as people. ... here we are merely discussing the exact proportions of large incomes to be paid in tax.
It's ongoing meme: "bankers destroyed the economy" ; "rich foreigners not paying their fair share"; "immigrants stealing our jobs"; "all muslims are about to join ISIS and/or murder us in our beds" [NB to be clear not all of these are Labour memes - you aren't the only guilty ones]
In each case it is the identification of a group of "others" that normal people rarely, if ever, have much interaction with, and blaming them for everything that is wrong with our country.
A Britain like that is a smaller and less pleasant country in my view. And I will condemn UKIP or Labour or whoever else promulgates it. Some Tories do, but not the leadership - who rightly focus on tax evasion and aggressive tax avoidance and on benefit fraud.
How many times over have they spent the bankers' bonus tax now?0 -
If this really is a "major" part of the Labour manifesto, that blank piece of paper is still very empty.Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: Norman Smith slams Balls: "this was meant to be be a major manifesto pledge... and it's gone pear shaped"
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?TheScreamingEagles said:Well done agent Ed Balls.
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Of course Labour will foul up the economy. It's what they do.Greenwich_Floater said:
If Labour do get in (either with SNP or LD support) or on their own, then they better be sure that they do not foul up the economy this time.Greenwich_Floater said:
If they do, with perceived weak leadership and with UKIP waiting in the wings to sweep much of their WWC vote, they will be finished, maybe forever.
Every cloud has a silver lining....
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The question, at this point, for betting types, is not whether non-dom policy will work, but will it change the vote?0
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How patriotic!Sandpit said:Ha ha - Guido's elves have found the video of Balls from January saying that abolishing non-dom status "Probably ends up costing Britain money".
He's also being a good representative for the Irish Chamber of Commerce, pointing out why the affected non-doms should relocate there! I expect Luxembourg, Monaco and Switzerland to be promoting themselves too, as well as the Asian city states.0 -
@JoshGrimstone: .@BBCNormanS desribes #BallsUp on non-doms as 'major gaffe moment"
Chaos from @UKLabour
How could they ever be trust to run the economy?0 -
Did Tony Blair suggest this line of attack? Or perhaps Mandy?
I can't think of who else could benefit from it!Scott_P said:@rosschawkins: Surely Lab knew that Balls iv was out there? Must have expected it to hit social media and get played back to back with his clips on telly
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Going going gone.
https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/585735738941124608/photo/1
Good job Labour don't run breweries.0 -
Mr Dancer,Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Pit, last year's race aside, Bahrain has tended to be bloody awful as a spectacle. It's my view overtaking is harder this year, which may mean it returns to tedium in Bahrain.
Mr. Jessop, not sure about the contract. The BBC's Judas approach to coverage was and remains despicable [fair enough to lose it, not fair enough to do a deal to take it, for the first time ever, off of free-to-air TV].
Last year's race was brilliant because I didn't go for the first time in 5 years.
The good news (for you if not for me) is that I'm not going this year either, so it may be another classic!0 -
Watch the video I posted in the comment before that.Charles said:
?TheScreamingEagles said:Well done agent Ed Balls.
Ed Balls has sunk the non doms policy.0 -
Tax expert on Sky News, George Bull, it will "affect only 5,000 people"!
"We think it will affect very few."
Stunned. 5,000 is a WTF. Add to the circa 30,000 upset by being on a zero hour contract.
Labour have become the party of the "less than 0.1%".0 -
Eh ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Elmet & Rothwell is one of those seats were you'd think, Majority of 8% and 16% Lib Dems there, Labour should hose up, according to all the hype.Pulpstar said:
Going to be a shocking night for the Tories if they don't hold onto Elmet.TheScreamingEagles said:
The likes of Elmet & Rothwell and Pudsey are going to be High Noon in this election.Pulpstar said:
Aha - Halifax, Guiseley, Dewsbury and KeighleyTheScreamingEagles said:
My resources will be deployed exclusively in West Yorkshire.Pulpstar said:
High peak ?TheScreamingEagles said:Went canvassing yesterday, forgotten how much fun it is.
Also I reckon Dave can't afford to lose Pudsey - Ed can just about become PM without it.
If Ed doesn't gain Dewsbury he ain't going to be PM
But we're very confident on holding the seat.
Which makes me think, the 2010 Lib Dems to Lab switchers might not be that influential.
I've never been tempted to hedge out of the extraordinary 9-2 either @Antifrank or Nabavi pointed out on Elmet a couple of years back - once.
Elmet take Labour over 300 seats methinks !0 -
"ISIS List of Punishments..."
Put some of those punishments up for referendum here, and you might be surprised at how much support they get.0 -
@GuidoFawkes: Correction: Earlier we mistakenly stated @labourpress had stopped bringing a spoon to a knife fight. This was an error, and we apologise.0
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The MSM and Twitter are all having a laugh at the Non Dom fiasco..well done Ed and Ed0
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I know, it was my point, people used to say you could stick half the 2010 Lib Dem share onto Lab's 2010 vote.Pulpstar said:
Eh ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Elmet & Rothwell is one of those seats were you'd think, Majority of 8% and 16% Lib Dems there, Labour should hose up, according to all the hype.Pulpstar said:
Going to be a shocking night for the Tories if they don't hold onto Elmet.TheScreamingEagles said:
The likes of Elmet & Rothwell and Pudsey are going to be High Noon in this election.Pulpstar said:
Aha - Halifax, Guiseley, Dewsbury and KeighleyTheScreamingEagles said:
My resources will be deployed exclusively in West Yorkshire.Pulpstar said:
High peak ?TheScreamingEagles said:Went canvassing yesterday, forgotten how much fun it is.
Also I reckon Dave can't afford to lose Pudsey - Ed can just about become PM without it.
If Ed doesn't gain Dewsbury he ain't going to be PM
But we're very confident on holding the seat.
Which makes me think, the 2010 Lib Dems to Lab switchers might not be that influential.
I've never been tempted to hedge out of the extraordinary 9-2 either @Antifrank or Nabavi pointed out on Elmet a couple of years back - once.
They don't say that now.0 -
Was it Croc Dundee or Indiana Jones who started this meme? Croc did the "No this is a knife" and Indie shot a bloke - but which was first?Scott_P said:
@GuidoFawkes: Correction: Earlier we mistakenly stated @labourpress had stopped bringing a spoon to a knife fight. This was an error, and we apologise.
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Ironically I thought your post at 10:10 was a much better way of phrasing what I was trying to say!JonCisBack said:
A much better way of putting what I was trying to say! I agree.Charles said:
It's not the details of the policy that are the issue.NickPalmer said:
I agree on the last sentence, of course, but I don't actually think anyone is demonising individual bankers as people. ... here we are merely discussing the exact proportions of large incomes to be paid in tax.
It's ongoing meme: "bankers destroyed the economy" ; "rich foreigners not paying their fair share"; "immigrants stealing our jobs"; "all muslims are about to join ISIS and/or murder us in our beds" [NB to be clear not all of these are Labour memes - you aren't the only guilty ones]
In each case it is the identification of a group of "others" that normal people rarely, if ever, have much interaction with, and blaming them for everything that is wrong with our country.
A Britain like that is a smaller and less pleasant country in my view. And I will condemn UKIP or Labour or whoever else promulgates it. Some Tories do, but not the leadership - who rightly focus on tax evasion and aggressive tax avoidance and on benefit fraud.
How many times over have they spent the bankers' bonus tax now?0 -
The Untouchables.Plato said:Was it Croc Dundee or Indiana Jones who started this meme? Croc did the "No this is a knife" and Indie shot a bloke - but which was first?
Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: Correction: Earlier we mistakenly stated @labourpress had stopped bringing a spoon to a knife fight. This was an error, and we apologise.
You wanna know how to get Capone? They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. *That's* the *Chicago* way! And that's how you get Capone0 -
When Norman Smith attacks Labour they really really have effed up.Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: Norman Smith slams Balls: "this was meant to be be a major manifesto pledge... and it's gone pear shaped"
Still, will the voters notice?
This is the time for the Conservatives to roll out the posters and spend their war chest.
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Oliver Cooper @OliverCooper
For a policy launch to completely unravel by 10:30am is pretty shambolic, even for Labour.0 -
Balls gone pear-shaped?Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: Norman Smith slams Balls: "this was meant to be be a major manifesto pledge... and it's gone pear shaped"
That must hurt!0 -
Top trolling on the BBC comments board:
"435. Posted by F1Fan
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Here is a real life scenario for you all - this is actually legal!
I run an internet based business, I host my site on a server in Hong Kong and declare that when I die I wish to be buried in the republic of Ireland.
Although I make a salary of 1.5 million per year I now have to pay only £30,000 tax.
Oh and I have to ensure I take lots of holidays abroad, but hey I can afford it."0 -
I noticed that no one in poster display has noted buying up strategically important sites yet. Before GE2010 = we had quite a good handle on which ones were block booked way in advance [client unknown but an educated guess].
Anyone out there who can find out?TCPoliticalBetting said:
When Norman Smith attacks Labour they really really have effed up.Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: Norman Smith slams Balls: "this was meant to be be a major manifesto pledge... and it's gone pear shaped"
Still, will the voters notice?
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To be fair to Ed Balls, I think he know's the NomDom policy is nonsense and was being truthful in January when he admitted it was a pointless policy - He's probably been forced into the annoucement by Mad Milli.0
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The first Indiana Jones film (1981) came out before 'Dundee' (1986).
Also, I believe the original Indy script called for a long fist-fight with the sword-wielding guy; shooting him was an ab-lib Ford thought up on the day to save time.0 -
Must have been Indy - RotLA was back in early 80s and Croc not until 1985/6?Plato said:Was it Croc Dundee or Indiana Jones who started this meme? Croc did the "No this is a knife" and Indie shot a bloke - but which was first?
Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: Correction: Earlier we mistakenly stated @labourpress had stopped bringing a spoon to a knife fight. This was an error, and we apologise.
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Love it. Thanx.A_Man_Called_Horse said:
The first Indiana Jones film (1981) came out before 'Dundee' (1986).
Also, I believe the original Indy script called for a long fist-fight with the sword-wielding guy; shooting him was an ab-lib Ford thought up on the day to save time.0 -
Wow the BBC Election Live rolling coverage page currently virtually back-to-back on this mornings #BallsUp
BenM seems to have gone rather quiet without ever saying what he'd prefer to cut if it costs money like Balls thinks.0 -
If they really have not bought up the key sites, then their campaign plan is very deficient. very bad planning, not the way to handle a big launch when you have buckets of dosh.Plato said:I noticed that no one in poster display has noted buying up strategically important sites yet. Before GE2010 = we had quite a good handle on which ones were block booked way in advance [client unknown but an educated guess].
Anyone out there who can find out?TCPoliticalBetting said:
When Norman Smith attacks Labour they really really have effed up.Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: Norman Smith slams Balls: "this was meant to be be a major manifesto pledge... and it's gone pear shaped"
Still, will the voters notice?
This is the time for the Conservatives to roll out the posters and spend their war chest.
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Nick Palmer,
Only just saw your reply now but thank you for your kind comments and answer.
Good luck with the campaign (and I say this as someone who is not a Labour member).
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I live in an ultra-marginal and we have posters in town with Milliband in Salmond's pocket up.0
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Plato said:
I thought ISIS were odds on to win Dewsbury at this rate.
Pulpstar said:
Going to be a shocking night for the Tories if they don't hold onto Elmet.TheScreamingEagles said:
The likes of Elmet & Rothwell and Pudsey are going to be High Noon in this election.Pulpstar said:
Aha - Halifax, Guiseley, Dewsbury and KeighleyTheScreamingEagles said:
My resources will be deployed exclusively in West Yorkshire.Pulpstar said:
High peak ?TheScreamingEagles said:Went canvassing yesterday, forgotten how much fun it is.
Also I reckon Dave can't afford to lose Pudsey - Ed can just about become PM without it.
If Ed doesn't gain Dewsbury he ain't going to be PM
Are ISIS a registered political party in the UK?0 -
Which onePhilip_Thompson said:I live in an ultra-marginal and we have posters in town with Milliband in Salmond's pocket up.
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Only one response. Men only.Charles said:
Balls gone pear-shaped?Scott_P said:@GuidoFawkes: Norman Smith slams Balls: "this was meant to be be a major manifesto pledge... and it's gone pear shaped"
That must hurt!
http://checkemlads.com/v1.htm
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The two eds
It's more like Dick and non-Dom.0 -
Those 16% Lib Dems would probably go 5% for the Lib Dems this time, 5% for Labour, 2% Conservative, 2% UKIP, 2% for Others this time round. An advantage for Labour, but hardly decisive.Pulpstar said:
Eh ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Elmet & Rothwell is one of those seats were you'd think, Majority of 8% and 16% Lib Dems there, Labour should hose up, according to all the hype.Pulpstar said:
Going to be a shocking night for the Tories if they don't hold onto Elmet.TheScreamingEagles said:
The likes of Elmet & Rothwell and Pudsey are going to be High Noon in this election.Pulpstar said:
Aha - Halifax, Guiseley, Dewsbury and KeighleyTheScreamingEagles said:
My resources will be deployed exclusively in West Yorkshire.Pulpstar said:
High peak ?TheScreamingEagles said:Went canvassing yesterday, forgotten how much fun it is.
Also I reckon Dave can't afford to lose Pudsey - Ed can just about become PM without it.
If Ed doesn't gain Dewsbury he ain't going to be PM
But we're very confident on holding the seat.
Which makes me think, the 2010 Lib Dems to Lab switchers might not be that influential.
I've never been tempted to hedge out of the extraordinary 9-2 either @Antifrank or Nabavi pointed out on Elmet a couple of years back - once.
Elmet take Labour over 300 seats methinks !
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Warrington South.Pulpstar said:
Which onePhilip_Thompson said:I live in an ultra-marginal and we have posters in town with Milliband in Salmond's pocket up.
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Three way marginal last time: 35.8% Con (Gain from Lab), 33.0% Lab, 27.5 LD
So far not seen a single Lab poster (though at the last Euros we had Unite posters in town as well as Con and UKIP).0 -
Ed Balls has flip flopped on this faster than he's changed the status of his home to claim MPs expenses.dr_spyn said:0 -
@itvnews: Ed Balls said in January that abolishing non-dom status 'would probably cost Britain money' http://t.co/TFPYtQ0Okf http://t.co/R541G3lZrO0
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I've just unveiled #UKIP's new poster in #Grimsby. Our fisheries have been gutted by the EU. #UKIP will change this. pic.twitter.com/seq6yIf1IN
— Nigel Farage (@Nigel_Farage) April 8, 2015
See also UKIP & EFD pamphlet called "Stolen Seas". No link, google it.
Now I linked it:
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Hell yes....we are gonna shut you down boiiiiiiyPulpstar said:Top trolling on the BBC comments board:
"435. Posted by F1Fan
on
8 minutes ago
Here is a real life scenario for you all - this is actually legal!
I run an internet based business, I host my site on a server in Hong Kong and declare that when I die I wish to be buried in the republic of Ireland.
Although I make a salary of 1.5 million per year I now have to pay only £30,000 tax.
Oh and I have to ensure I take lots of holidays abroad, but hey I can afford it." 0 -
MikeK said:
I've just unveiled #UKIP's new poster in #Grimsby. Our fisheries have been gutted by the EU. #UKIP will change this. pic.twitter.com/seq6yIf1IN
— Nigel Farage (@Nigel_Farage) April 8, 2015
See also UKIP & EFD pamphlet called "Stolen Seas". No link, google it.
The UK Fishermen who sold their quotas to the Spanish gutted the industry.
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Add 20% of the Lib Dem vote to Labour for a net effect maybe on average.Sean_F said:
Those 16% Lib Dems would probably go 5% for the Lib Dems this time, 5% for Labour, 2% Conservative, 2% UKIP, 2% for Others this time round. An advantage for Labour, but hardly decisive.Pulpstar said:
Eh ?TheScreamingEagles said:
Elmet & Rothwell is one of those seats were you'd think, Majority of 8% and 16% Lib Dems there, Labour should hose up, according to all the hype.Pulpstar said:
Going to be a shocking night for the Tories if they don't hold onto Elmet.TheScreamingEagles said:
The likes of Elmet & Rothwell and Pudsey are going to be High Noon in this election.Pulpstar said:
Aha - Halifax, Guiseley, Dewsbury and KeighleyTheScreamingEagles said:
My resources will be deployed exclusively in West Yorkshire.Pulpstar said:
High peak ?TheScreamingEagles said:Went canvassing yesterday, forgotten how much fun it is.
Also I reckon Dave can't afford to lose Pudsey - Ed can just about become PM without it.
If Ed doesn't gain Dewsbury he ain't going to be PM
But we're very confident on holding the seat.
Which makes me think, the 2010 Lib Dems to Lab switchers might not be that influential.
I've never been tempted to hedge out of the extraordinary 9-2 either @Antifrank or Nabavi pointed out on Elmet a couple of years back - once.
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MikeK said:
I've just unveiled #UKIP's new poster in #Grimsby. Our fisheries have been gutted by the EU. #UKIP will change this. pic.twitter.com/seq6yIf1IN
— Nigel Farage (@Nigel_Farage) April 8, 2015
See also UKIP & EFD pamphlet called "Stolen Seas". No link, google it.
BUT BUT BUT the BBC told us on the radio all day yesterday it is ok, fishing has gone (no mention why), but there are wind turbines now.0 -
There's one by the Redbridge roundabout (border of Wanstead and Ilford.)Philip_Thompson said:I live in an ultra-marginal and we have posters in town with Milliband in Salmond's pocket up.
To be honest, I think most people seeing it would wonder why the SNP are campaigning in Essex.0 -
Oh dear. Another case of the two Eds not briefing each other - or ad hoc policy on the hoof?Scott_P said:@itvnews: Ed Balls said in January that abolishing non-dom status 'would probably cost Britain money' http://t.co/TFPYtQ0Okf http://t.co/R541G3lZrO
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Do any Labour-leaning posters have any comments to make over the success of the government's troubled families scheme?
Or are they more interested in hatred of the rich (excepting 'their' rich) than helping the less fortunate?0 -
EdM is making a speech about NonDoms shortly - this will be fun. I wouldn't normally watch him - but after the debacle this morning, I can't wait to hear the rationale for it.0
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All gone pear shaped.
http://order-order.com/2015/04/08/bbc-on-labour-non-dom-gaffe-its-all-gone-pear-shaped/#_@/b-TYV7E9nUDVTA
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Interesting poll tonight.....so I hear!0
