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Are all the people claiming to be "brought to tears" by Charles Walker out of their minds?
Anyone else sick to death of no-mark tory backbenchers valuing their 15 minutes in the sun more than what's right for their party?
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I was nearly thrown out of the cinema aged 5 when in a stage whisper that could be heard right around the auditorium I excitedly said: "this is the bit where Bambi's mother dies!".tyson said:
Anorak- how could you mention Bambi's mother?Anorak said:
I am still traumatised by Bambi's mother and have never dared to revisit the film since. Ring of Bright Water being the other traumatic experience- I mean who could have made a film that just was so utterly gut wrenching and nihilistic. It makes me well up thinking about the end, and I haven't seen it for 40 years. I wouldn't dare.0 -
On a related topic, can i say i met michael martin when he was still the Speaker, he was an utterly charming man, who was both elegant and self deprecating.0
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The public won't give a toss about the Bercow affair one way or the other. But Cameron hardly sends his troops away with a spring in their step, and the journos will think less of Cameron and his merry band of Bullingdon lite bullies. Cameron has self harmed today. It may appear to be a scratch, but this is one that could become infected.Alanbrooke said:
I doubt the public will care much, it will be all about the co-pilot todayantifrank said:Could someone give me a reason why I should care either way about who the Speaker of the House of Commons is?
And politicians wonder why the public think that they're all out of touch...
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Do you really think that Crosby controls parliamentary business?MaxPB said:
Indeed. What a waste of time this whole affair has been. I'm amazed that Crosby allowed it to happen. Another day wasted not talking about Labour's economic incompetence vs Tory growth after Dave's pledge to stand down in 2020.Alanbrooke said:
Odd that having pummelled Labour yesterday at PMQs they then lift Labour spirits the next day.MikeSmithson said:What a speech and what massive misjudgement by Gove/Hague/Cameron
You only do things like this if you are certain of winning.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32070175
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There's only one film that has made me cry.
The Wrath of Khan, I was about six, and I was gutted when Pointy met his maker.
Fifty Shades of Grey made me cry recently, but that was tears of laugher mostly.0 -
Total miscalculation from the whips office. They must have though they had the numbers. Still, naughty to force it through on the last day, when other members are away.
Not a good show.0 -
Cowardly Cameron and Gove couldnt organise a drinking event in a place where alcoholic beverages are brewed.SMukesh said:ROFL
Let alone run a country 41 days to EICIPM0 -
Talking about parliamentary shenanigans. are labour still preventing that report by the health select committee?bigjohnowls said:
Cowardly Cameron and Gove couldnt organise a drinking event in a place where alcoholic beverages are brewed.SMukesh said:ROFL
Let alone run a country 41 days to EICIPM0 -
Serial killer alertantifrank said:
I was nearly thrown out of the cinema aged 5 when in a stage whisper that could be heard right around the auditorium I excitedly said: "this is the bit where Bambi's mother dies!".tyson said:
Anorak- how could you mention Bambi's mother?Anorak said:
I am still traumatised by Bambi's mother and have never dared to revisit the film since. Ring of Bright Water being the other traumatic experience- I mean who could have made a film that just was so utterly gut wrenching and nihilistic. It makes me well up thinking about the end, and I haven't seen it for 40 years. I wouldn't dare.
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I think that quite a few Tory MP's in safe seats would be more than happy for their party to lose the GE.
Who wants to win in an age where people expect government to do everything?
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A grown man crying over procedural amendments?
Isn't that the definition of a soft shite?0 -
Expecting a Dave actually answered a PMQs question bounce in tonights YG.TheWatcher said:
It's 'hide half an onion in the hanky' time.Anorak said:
I'm relieved I'm not the only one thinking that. It was mildly moving, and obviously passionate, but reducing grown men to tears?! Sheesh.TheWatcher said:
It's quite pathetic, isn't it.GIN1138 said:Are all the people claiming to be "brought to tears" by Charles Walker out of their minds?
Labour are enjoying the moment - and who wouldn't after the complete and utter spanking Miliband bought upon himself yesterday.
Desperate times among some PB Tories methinks.
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So, for example, if you had parties A, B, C and D that wanted to maintain the United Kingdom, and party E that wanted to destroy it, it is reasonable to expect parties A to D to work together than to boost the anti-UK party? I would agree with that, and hope Labour refuse to work with the SNP should there be a hung parliament.NickPalmer said:
Nah. If you get parties A and B who are comparatively and party C which is wildly different (think Front National), you can't reasonably insist that A+B include C.Pulpstar said:
In Britain, of course, the divisions are not that sharp (said he, polishing his options).0 -
However the UKIP candidate looks like a loser too:
"'Hitler achieved a great deal': Ukip MEP sparks anger as he tells its youth wing to copy Nazi leader
Bill Etheridge told Ukip youth conference members to emulate Nazi leader
Lauded Hitler as 'the most magnetic and forceful public speaker in history'
Comes after the West Midlands MEP published a book celebrating golliwogs"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2720860/Hitler-achieved-great-deal-Ukip-MEP-sparks-anger-tells-youth-wing-copy-Nazi-leader.html
What are the odds on Labour?0 -
TheWatcher said:
I think that quite a few Tory MP's in safe seats would be more than happy for their party to lose the GE.notme said:
It's as if they dont really want to win!Alanbrooke said:
Odd that having pummelled Labour yesterday at PMQs they then lift Labour spirits the next day.MikeSmithson said:What a speech and what massive misjudgement by Gove/Hague/Cameron
You only do things like this if you are certain of winning.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32070175
Very much so. If you arent likely to get a shiny seat in Government, then being in Government is grim. Opposition is easy. I think opposition is really easy for Labour. They can rile, they can express moral outrage with impunity.
Social and economic changes and problems that are largely outside the control of a Government, or to be frank, a government might not be the solution, you can blame on the evil toff tories.
They talk with passion about things the baby eating Tory government is doing, which they voted for in the first place, or that was something that they know they would have done themselves.
You dont need a nuanced answer as to why welfare reform is the right thing to do, but there are a few changes that could be made to alleviate the negative impact. You just shout ban the bedroom tax and sanctions.
You dont need a nuanced answer to the changes in the workplace which have meant that many people going into work after a significant period of economic activity are only getting temporary contracts.
Ban zero hour contracts.
Or that in London and a few other areas there is a particular problem caused by increase demand for social housing.
Build council houses and its all fatcher's fault.
You can talk about how someone has rickets, or people visiting foodbanks, or homelessness all show that the people in government are evil and nasty. It makes you feel good.
Blair taught Labour that it wasnt good enough about feeling good about criticising others. You have to manup and show people you have the ability to get your hands dirty and take the burden of Government.0 -
As entertaining as this all is, anyone thinking this will have more impact than Miliband "following through" on stage this evening is deluded 0
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Stupidity and hubris.Alanbrooke said:
Odd that having pummelled Labour yesterday at PMQs they then lift Labour spirits the next day.MikeSmithson said:What a speech and what massive misjudgement by Gove/Hague/Cameron
You only do things like this if you are certain of winning.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-320701750 -
Do you not think this party of ours is small enough already?TheScreamingEagles said:
So far today you've said nice things about Bercow and Reckless.Scrapheap_as_was said:
I'm one - I rate him as my mp.taffys said:I wonder what Bercow's constituents think of him..
I think I might have to expel you from the The Dry but not obsessed by the Gays, Europe & Immigrants New Tory Party if you carry on like this.0 -
Is that why he's hiding his lower body behind a lectern?Pulpstar said:As entertaining as this all is, anyone thinking this will have more impact than Miliband "following through" on stage this evening is deluded
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I had to leave the cinema when I howled and howled with terror at the scene in the Wizard of Oz when the little girl first goes into the forest. To this day, I've never seen the film the whole way through and I can still remember the horror I felt.antifrank said:
I was nearly thrown out of the cinema aged 5 when in a stage whisper that could be heard right around the auditorium I excitedly said: "this is the bit where Bambi's mother dies!".tyson said:
Anorak- how could you mention Bambi's mother?Anorak said:
I am still traumatised by Bambi's mother and have never dared to revisit the film since. Ring of Bright Water being the other traumatic experience- I mean who could have made a film that just was so utterly gut wrenching and nihilistic. It makes me well up thinking about the end, and I haven't seen it for 40 years. I wouldn't dare.
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3-10logical_song said:However the UKIP candidate looks like a loser too:
"'Hitler achieved a great deal': Ukip MEP sparks anger as he tells its youth wing to copy Nazi leader
Bill Etheridge told Ukip youth conference members to emulate Nazi leader
Lauded Hitler as 'the most magnetic and forceful public speaker in history'
Comes after the West Midlands MEP published a book celebrating golliwogs"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2720860/Hitler-achieved-great-deal-Ukip-MEP-sparks-anger-tells-youth-wing-copy-Nazi-leader.html
What are the odds on Labour?0 -
I walked out of the cinema after about ten mins when I was five during Superman because it was boring, and have still never watched itCyclefree said:
I had to leave the cinema when I howled and howled with terror at the scene in the Wizard of Oz when the little girl first goes into the forest. To this day, I've never seen the film the whole way through and I can still remember the horror I felt.antifrank said:
I was nearly thrown out of the cinema aged 5 when in a stage whisper that could be heard right around the auditorium I excitedly said: "this is the bit where Bambi's mother dies!".tyson said:
Anorak- how could you mention Bambi's mother?Anorak said:
I am still traumatised by Bambi's mother and have never dared to revisit the film since. Ring of Bright Water being the other traumatic experience- I mean who could have made a film that just was so utterly gut wrenching and nihilistic. It makes me well up thinking about the end, and I haven't seen it for 40 years. I wouldn't dare.
Cried at Watership Down around that time, and Champ0 -
I know, there's four of us, and we all know what Gangs of Fours can do.DavidL said:
Do you not think this party of ours is small enough already?TheScreamingEagles said:
So far today you've said nice things about Bercow and Reckless.Scrapheap_as_was said:
I'm one - I rate him as my mp.taffys said:I wonder what Bercow's constituents think of him..
I think I might have to expel you from the The Dry but not obsessed by the Gays, Europe & Immigrants New Tory Party if you carry on like this.0 -
At this point in the electoral cycle I imagine he has some level of input. If Gove and Hague went rogue today and did this without Crosby I imagine there are going to be a raised voices.perdix said:
Do you really think that Crosby controls parliamentary business?MaxPB said:
Indeed. What a waste of time this whole affair has been. I'm amazed that Crosby allowed it to happen. Another day wasted not talking about Labour's economic incompetence vs Tory growth after Dave's pledge to stand down in 2020.Alanbrooke said:
Odd that having pummelled Labour yesterday at PMQs they then lift Labour spirits the next day.MikeSmithson said:What a speech and what massive misjudgement by Gove/Hague/Cameron
You only do things like this if you are certain of winning.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-32070175
As horrible as it sounds the Tories are lucky that this pilot sent 150 people to their deaths today as that will dominate the new cycles until tonight when it is Dave vs Ed.0 -
The name also seems to have changed. Who authorised that?DavidL said:
Do you not think this party of ours is small enough already?TheScreamingEagles said:
So far today you've said nice things about Bercow and Reckless.Scrapheap_as_was said:
I'm one - I rate him as my mp.taffys said:I wonder what Bercow's constituents think of him..
I think I might have to expel you from the The Dry but not obsessed by the Gays, Europe & Immigrants New Tory Party if you carry on like this.
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Pathetically predictable smearinglogical_song said:However the UKIP candidate looks like a loser too:
"'Hitler achieved a great deal': Ukip MEP sparks anger as he tells its youth wing to copy Nazi leader
Bill Etheridge told Ukip youth conference members to emulate Nazi leader
Lauded Hitler as 'the most magnetic and forceful public speaker in history'
Comes after the West Midlands MEP published a book celebrating golliwogs"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2720860/Hitler-achieved-great-deal-Ukip-MEP-sparks-anger-tells-youth-wing-copy-Nazi-leader.html
What are the odds on Labour?0 -
Catching up on the airliner story. Absolutely dreadful news (and actually my worst fear about flying). The telegraph graphic suggests there is a keypad which can be used to open the door from the outside. Was this overridden, or did the crew simply forget about it?0
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TheScreamingEagles said:
There's only one film that has made me cry.
The Wrath of Khan, I was about six, and I was gutted when Pointy met his maker.
Fifty Shades of Grey made me cry recently, but that was tears of laugher mostly.
Last scene of The Railway Children (the Agutter version) - on the station platform: always has me welling up......TheScreamingEagles said:There's only one film that has made me cry.
The Wrath of Khan, I was about six, and I was gutted when Pointy met his maker.
Fifty Shades of Grey made me cry recently, but that was tears of laugher mostly.0 -
It's Farage/Putin all over again.logical_song said:However the UKIP candidate looks like a loser too:
"'Hitler achieved a great deal': Ukip MEP sparks anger as he tells its youth wing to copy Nazi leader
Bill Etheridge told Ukip youth conference members to emulate Nazi leader
Lauded Hitler as 'the most magnetic and forceful public speaker in history'
Comes after the West Midlands MEP published a book celebrating golliwogs"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2720860/Hitler-achieved-great-deal-Ukip-MEP-sparks-anger-tells-youth-wing-copy-Nazi-leader.html
What are the odds on Labour?0 -
I like everyone of my generation suffered permanent psychological damage from the memory of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang's 'Child-Catcher'.Cyclefree said:
I had to leave the cinema when I howled and howled with terror at the scene in the Wizard of Oz when the little girl first goes into the forest. To this day, I've never seen the film the whole way through and I can still remember the horror I felt.antifrank said:
I was nearly thrown out of the cinema aged 5 when in a stage whisper that could be heard right around the auditorium I excitedly said: "this is the bit where Bambi's mother dies!".tyson said:
Anorak- how could you mention Bambi's mother?Anorak said:
I am still traumatised by Bambi's mother and have never dared to revisit the film since. Ring of Bright Water being the other traumatic experience- I mean who could have made a film that just was so utterly gut wrenching and nihilistic. It makes me well up thinking about the end, and I haven't seen it for 40 years. I wouldn't dare.0 -
The country is in a terrible state, if only the UK was doing as well as Francebigjohnowls said:
Cowardly Cameron and Gove couldnt organise a drinking event in a place where alcoholic beverages are brewed.SMukesh said:ROFL
Let alone run a country 41 days to EICIPM0 -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32064575
Balls and Osborne gaming themselves into a real stalemate 0 -
I admit to man-tears at the end of LotR-RotK, the bit where Aragorn tells Bilbo - "You bow for no man", and then bends his knee.Cyclefree said:TheScreamingEagles said:There's only one film that has made me cry.
The Wrath of Khan, I was about six, and I was gutted when Pointy met his maker.
Fifty Shades of Grey made me cry recently, but that was tears of laugher mostly.
Last scene of The Railway Children (the Agutter version) - on the station platform: always has me welling up......TheScreamingEagles said:There's only one film that has made me cry.
The Wrath of Khan, I was about six, and I was gutted when Pointy met his maker.
Fifty Shades of Grey made me cry recently, but that was tears of laugher mostly.
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As Directly Elected Dictator Primus inter pares of our party, I can do whatever I like.RobD said:
The name also seems to have changed. Who authorised that?DavidL said:
Do you not think this party of ours is small enough already?TheScreamingEagles said:
So far today you've said nice things about Bercow and Reckless.Scrapheap_as_was said:
I'm one - I rate him as my mp.taffys said:I wonder what Bercow's constituents think of him..
I think I might have to expel you from the The Dry but not obsessed by the Gays, Europe & Immigrants New Tory Party if you carry on like this.0 -
The co-pilot of the Germanwings flight that crashed in the French Alps, named as Andreas Lubitz, appeared to want to "destroy the plane", officials said.
Mr Robin said there was "absolute silence in the cockpit" as the pilot fought to re-enter it.
Passengers could be heard screaming just before the crash, he added.0 -
It can be overridden from the cockpit for a set time period.RobD said:Catching up on the airliner story. Absolutely dreadful news (and actually my worst fear about flying). The telegraph graphic suggests there is a keypad which can be used to open the door from the outside. Was this overridden, or did the crew simply forget about it?
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I see I'm not the only one obsessed with coming up with Balls gags in headlines.Pulpstar said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32064575
Balls and Osborne gaming themselves into a real stalemate
Why have Osborne and Balls neutered themselves?
Balls, neutered I mean really?0 -
"'Hitler achieved a great deal':
This is the problem Ian Kershaw comes up against in his biography. The contrast between Hitler's utterly noxious personality and the momentous nature of the events he personally set in train.
A bit like Milton trying to portray Satan in Paradise Lost.0 -
Do you have the specifics on this? The telegraph article was vague and said it only unlocked the door for five seconds. If there is a time limit, you would think they would make it shorter than the time taken to descend from cruising altitude to the ground!TheWatcher said:
It can be overridden from the cockpit for a set time period.RobD said:Catching up on the airliner story. Absolutely dreadful news (and actually my worst fear about flying). The telegraph graphic suggests there is a keypad which can be used to open the door from the outside. Was this overridden, or did the crew simply forget about it?
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Frodo?DaemonBarber said:
I admit to man-tears at the end of LotR-RotK, the bit where Aragorn tells Bilbo - "You bow for no man", and then bends his knee.Cyclefree said:TheScreamingEagles said:There's only one film that has made me cry.
The Wrath of Khan, I was about six, and I was gutted when Pointy met his maker.
Fifty Shades of Grey made me cry recently, but that was tears of laugher mostly.
Last scene of The Railway Children (the Agutter version) - on the station platform: always has me welling up......TheScreamingEagles said:There's only one film that has made me cry.
The Wrath of Khan, I was about six, and I was gutted when Pointy met his maker.
Fifty Shades of Grey made me cry recently, but that was tears of laugher mostly.0 -
Perhaps you like to name MP's who have been so disadvantaged since say .... WWII ?Morris_Dancer said:Mr. W, this isn't a matter of legislation, though. If they vote against the Speaker but the Speaker survives, the individuals voting against may find themselves at a disadvantage. Surely that's something you can see?
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You mean you didn't cry during Ben Affleck's Daredevil?DaemonBarber said:
I admit to man-tears at the end of LotR-RotK, the bit where Aragorn tells Bilbo - "You bow for no man", and then bends his knee.Cyclefree said:TheScreamingEagles said:There's only one film that has made me cry.
The Wrath of Khan, I was about six, and I was gutted when Pointy met his maker.
Fifty Shades of Grey made me cry recently, but that was tears of laugher mostly.
Last scene of The Railway Children (the Agutter version) - on the station platform: always has me welling up......TheScreamingEagles said:There's only one film that has made me cry.
The Wrath of Khan, I was about six, and I was gutted when Pointy met his maker.
Fifty Shades of Grey made me cry recently, but that was tears of laugher mostly.0 -
Watching the clip on the BBC news site of the announcement of the result, Bercow's contemptuous stare in the direction of the Government front bench coupled by the menacing licking of his lip was chilling, like something out of The Shining.
He'll be even more unbearable in the next Parliament now.
If only he'd lose his seat...0 -
James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers 2m2 minutes ago
Labour sources admit they would not have got MPs back in sufficient numbers to save #Bercow without time from 3 urgent questions he granted0 -
Afternoon all.
Just read the latest on the Germanwings plane crash, BBC now reporting that the Co-pilot 'wanted to destroy plane' – Those poor people; the mind boggles as to what motivation was behind such horror.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32063587
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Post #956.RobD said:
Do you have the specifics on this? The telegraph article was vague and said it only unlocked the door for five seconds. If there is a time limit, you would think they would make it shorter than the time taken to descend from cruising altitude to the ground!TheWatcher said:
It can be overridden from the cockpit for a set time period.RobD said:Catching up on the airliner story. Absolutely dreadful news (and actually my worst fear about flying). The telegraph graphic suggests there is a keypad which can be used to open the door from the outside. Was this overridden, or did the crew simply forget about it?
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/558654-airbus-a320-crashed-southern-france-48.html0 -
I'm amazed that this:Pulpstar said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32064575
Balls and Osborne gaming themselves into a real stalemate
PS It is of course true that Labour has said it would increase the very top rate of income tax from 45% to 50% for the top 1% of earners - those earning more than £150,000 a year. But it is moot whether this will in the long term raise a few billion or just a few hundred million pounds a year, because this group are so skilled at legally avoiding taxes.
Made it into the article. Finally the BBC have recognised that high marginal tax rates are counter productive. It's a shame it is in an article that only anoraks who know this already will read.0 -
Shenanigans on both sidesTGOHF said:James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers 2m2 minutes ago
Labour sources admit they would not have got MPs back in sufficient numbers to save #Bercow without time from 3 urgent questions he granted
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Simon Carr @simonsketch 1m1 minute agoRobD said:
Shenanigans on both sidesTGOHF said:James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers 2m2 minutes ago
Labour sources admit they would not have got MPs back in sufficient numbers to save #Bercow without time from 3 urgent questions he granted
Why Labour was so angry, and why John Bercow looked so relieved was because they all knew he couldn't survive a secret vote for re-election.0 -
@simonsketch: Why Labour was so angry, and why John Bercow looked so relieved was because they all knew he couldn't survive a secret vote for re-election.0
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Mr. W, have there been any such measures to remove a Speaker? If not, there's no comparison to make.0
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Thanks. I had thought there was this kind of mechanism on a couple of threads ago.TheWatcher said:
Post #956.RobD said:
Do you have the specifics on this? The telegraph article was vague and said it only unlocked the door for five seconds. If there is a time limit, you would think they would make it shorter than the time taken to descend from cruising altitude to the ground!TheWatcher said:
It can be overridden from the cockpit for a set time period.RobD said:Catching up on the airliner story. Absolutely dreadful news (and actually my worst fear about flying). The telegraph graphic suggests there is a keypad which can be used to open the door from the outside. Was this overridden, or did the crew simply forget about it?
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/558654-airbus-a320-crashed-southern-france-48.html
This is the thought of thing that should be able to be overridden somehow, perhaps via the satellite connection to the plane (although issues of hacking there).0 -
Bercow is a speaker of his times.
If you want to find fault, blame the times and not the speaker.0 -
I guess that they like elected dictators.TheWatcher said:
It's Farage/Putin all over again.logical_song said:However the UKIP candidate looks like a loser too:
"'Hitler achieved a great deal': Ukip MEP sparks anger as he tells its youth wing to copy Nazi leader
Bill Etheridge told Ukip youth conference members to emulate Nazi leader
Lauded Hitler as 'the most magnetic and forceful public speaker in history'
Comes after the West Midlands MEP published a book celebrating golliwogs"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2720860/Hitler-achieved-great-deal-Ukip-MEP-sparks-anger-tells-youth-wing-copy-Nazi-leader.html
What are the odds on Labour?0 -
I'll admit to that too, but for very different reasons.TheScreamingEagles said:
You mean you didn't cry during Ben Affleck's Daredevil?DaemonBarber said:
I admit to man-tears at the end of LotR-RotK, the bit where Aragorn tells Bilbo - "You bow for no man", and then bends his knee.Cyclefree said:TheScreamingEagles said:There's only one film that has made me cry.
The Wrath of Khan, I was about six, and I was gutted when Pointy met his maker.
Fifty Shades of Grey made me cry recently, but that was tears of laugher mostly.
Last scene of The Railway Children (the Agutter version) - on the station platform: always has me welling up......TheScreamingEagles said:There's only one film that has made me cry.
The Wrath of Khan, I was about six, and I was gutted when Pointy met his maker.
Fifty Shades of Grey made me cry recently, but that was tears of laugher mostly.
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Yeah that's what I meant... Mind on other thingsDavidL said:
Frodo?DaemonBarber said:
I admit to man-tears at the end of LotR-RotK, the bit where Aragorn tells Bilbo - "You bow for no man", and then bends his knee.Cyclefree said:TheScreamingEagles said:There's only one film that has made me cry.
The Wrath of Khan, I was about six, and I was gutted when Pointy met his maker.
Fifty Shades of Grey made me cry recently, but that was tears of laugher mostly.
Last scene of The Railway Children (the Agutter version) - on the station platform: always has me welling up......TheScreamingEagles said:There's only one film that has made me cry.
The Wrath of Khan, I was about six, and I was gutted when Pointy met his maker.
Fifty Shades of Grey made me cry recently, but that was tears of laugher mostly.0 -
A truly dreadful way to finish off a successful Parliament. I really don't know what the Government were thinking about trying to put such an important matter through on the last day.
Bercow is a creep and using the procedure of urgent questions to allow Labour to ingather enough supporters is par for the course. His future is after all what is important (to him).
But if you are going to try underhand tricks to get rid of an irritant for goodness sake make sure they work. Have these lot never read The Prince?
Sad that William Hague ended this way. Deserved better.0 -
Well - any idea where Labour will get the tens of billions they need to avoid cuts (not to mention the additional £8 billion the NHS is screaming for)? To lose one tax (VAT) is unfortunate, to lose another (NI) smacks of carelessness.MaxPB said:
I'm amazed that this:Pulpstar said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32064575
Balls and Osborne gaming themselves into a real stalemate
PS It is of course true that Labour has said it would increase the very top rate of income tax from 45% to 50% for the top 1% of earners - those earning more than £150,000 a year. But it is moot whether this will in the long term raise a few billion or just a few hundred million pounds a year, because this group are so skilled at legally avoiding taxes.
Made it into the article. Finally the BBC have recognised that high marginal tax rates are counter productive. It's a shame it is in an article that only anoraks who know this already will read.
And even if they do - how will they be able to afford the SNP price - £180 billion - that works out at £4.5 billion a vote.0 -
That assumes global satellite coverage. There are great swathes of the globe which don't receive adequate GPS signals, for example.RobD said:
Thanks. I had thought there was this kind of mechanism on a couple of threads ago.TheWatcher said:
Post #956.RobD said:
Do you have the specifics on this? The telegraph article was vague and said it only unlocked the door for five seconds. If there is a time limit, you would think they would make it shorter than the time taken to descend from cruising altitude to the ground!TheWatcher said:
It can be overridden from the cockpit for a set time period.RobD said:Catching up on the airliner story. Absolutely dreadful news (and actually my worst fear about flying). The telegraph graphic suggests there is a keypad which can be used to open the door from the outside. Was this overridden, or did the crew simply forget about it?
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/558654-airbus-a320-crashed-southern-france-48.html
This is the thought of thing that should be able to be overridden somehow, perhaps via the satellite connection to the plane (although issues of hacking there).
And how would the airline control centre know to deactivate the door lock?0 -
The Guardian have this:RobD said:
Do you have the specifics on this? The telegraph article was vague and said it only unlocked the door for five seconds. If there is a time limit, you would think they would make it shorter than the time taken to descend from cruising altitude to the ground!TheWatcher said:
It can be overridden from the cockpit for a set time period.RobD said:Catching up on the airliner story. Absolutely dreadful news (and actually my worst fear about flying). The telegraph graphic suggests there is a keypad which can be used to open the door from the outside. Was this overridden, or did the crew simply forget about it?
"The captain, who had left the cockpit briefly, appears to have punched in an emergency number into the cockpit door to gain re-entry, but the co-pilot deployed a five-minute override."0 -
Apparently, he had taken time off for depression.SimonStClare said:Afternoon all.
Just read the latest on the Germanwings plane crash, BBC now reporting that the Co-pilot 'wanted to destroy plane' – Those poor people; the mind boggles as to what motivation was behind such horror.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32063587
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I used to be very stalwart, I didn't even cry at the finale episode of MASH.
Now I cry at TV adverts involving furry quadrupeds. It's rather bizarre, but oddly satisfying.
However, I detest those Starving African Children With Big Eyes and the other charity ones with Limping Donkeys/Serious Voice Over et al - its so so crassly done.DaemonBarber said:
I admit to man-tears at the end of LotR-RotK, the bit where Aragorn tells Bilbo - "You bow for no man", and then bends his knee.Cyclefree said:TheScreamingEagles said:There's only one film that has made me cry.
The Wrath of Khan, I was about six, and I was gutted when Pointy met his maker.
Fifty Shades of Grey made me cry recently, but that was tears of laugher mostly.
Last scene of The Railway Children (the Agutter version) - on the station platform: always has me welling up......TheScreamingEagles said:There's only one film that has made me cry.
The Wrath of Khan, I was about six, and I was gutted when Pointy met his maker.
Fifty Shades of Grey made me cry recently, but that was tears of laugher mostly.0 -
That's the main reason I think he'll be gone within the year.Scott_P said:@simonsketch: Why Labour was so angry, and why John Bercow looked so relieved was because they all knew he couldn't survive a secret vote for re-election.
At the moment people are focusing on the fact he survived the vote (by the smallest of margins) but he effectively, publicly lost the support of a huge swathe of the House today.
He is in big, big trouble.
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USA rapidly losing influence as first the Saudis then the Egyptians take matters into their own hands in Yemen.
Note: The US pulled it's troops out of Yemen a few days ago in another pathetic Obama retreat.
http://news.yahoo.com/four-egypt-warships-enter-suez-en-route-gulf-114057527.html0 -
But the solutions to whatever problems we are in surely cant be more taxation? We are already far above what we would normally be in terms of tax take from the economy. But yes, the conservatives will be more happy than labour at having boxed labour in to not increase national insurance.MaxPB said:
I'm amazed that this:Pulpstar said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32064575
Balls and Osborne gaming themselves into a real stalemate
PS It is of course true that Labour has said it would increase the very top rate of income tax from 45% to 50% for the top 1% of earners - those earning more than £150,000 a year. But it is moot whether this will in the long term raise a few billion or just a few hundred million pounds a year, because this group are so skilled at legally avoiding taxes.
Made it into the article. Finally the BBC have recognised that high marginal tax rates are counter productive. It's a shame it is in an article that only anoraks who know this already will read.
Gordon Brown increased NI by 10% in 2002 and sold it very successfully as a means to boost nhs spending.0 -
It's very difficult isn't it - basically you have two systems - one that can never be opened against the wishes of the occupant and one that can always be issued against the wishes of the occupant. No matter what you do you will end up in one of these two configurations.RobD said:
Thanks. I had thought there was this kind of mechanism on a couple of threads ago.TheWatcher said:
Post #956.RobD said:
Do you have the specifics on this? The telegraph article was vague and said it only unlocked the door for five seconds. If there is a time limit, you would think they would make it shorter than the time taken to descend from cruising altitude to the ground!TheWatcher said:
It can be overridden from the cockpit for a set time period.RobD said:Catching up on the airliner story. Absolutely dreadful news (and actually my worst fear about flying). The telegraph graphic suggests there is a keypad which can be used to open the door from the outside. Was this overridden, or did the crew simply forget about it?
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/558654-airbus-a320-crashed-southern-france-48.html
This is the thought of thing that should be able to be overridden somehow, perhaps via the satellite connection to the plane (although issues of hacking there).
And at the end of the day, the weak link will always be the human operator (either because they can keep the door shut or force the door open)0 -
Those who voted against Cameron and Hague
Jack of Kent (@JackofKent)
26/03/2015 15:13
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23 Conservatives openly voted against the government ensuring the defeat. Would they have done differently in secret?TGOHF said:
Simon Carr @simonsketch 1m1 minute agoRobD said:
Shenanigans on both sidesTGOHF said:James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers 2m2 minutes ago
Labour sources admit they would not have got MPs back in sufficient numbers to save #Bercow without time from 3 urgent questions he granted
Why Labour was so angry, and why John Bercow looked so relieved was because they all knew he couldn't survive a secret vote for re-election.
I think not.
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I had thought GPS was pretty much anywhere? You are right it would be expensive to put up a big satellite network to allow for constant communications, but if each airline chipped in...TheWatcher said:
That assumes global satellite coverage. There are great swathes of the globe which don't receive adequate GPS signals, for example.RobD said:
Thanks. I had thought there was this kind of mechanism on a couple of threads ago.TheWatcher said:
Post #956.RobD said:
Do you have the specifics on this? The telegraph article was vague and said it only unlocked the door for five seconds. If there is a time limit, you would think they would make it shorter than the time taken to descend from cruising altitude to the ground!TheWatcher said:
It can be overridden from the cockpit for a set time period.RobD said:Catching up on the airliner story. Absolutely dreadful news (and actually my worst fear about flying). The telegraph graphic suggests there is a keypad which can be used to open the door from the outside. Was this overridden, or did the crew simply forget about it?
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/558654-airbus-a320-crashed-southern-france-48.html
This is the thought of thing that should be able to be overridden somehow, perhaps via the satellite connection to the plane (although issues of hacking there).
And how would the airline control centre know to deactivate the door lock?
If the control centre could deactivate the lock at any time, I'd imagine the crew would be able to communicate with them at any time.0 -
If you make it possible for a sane pilot to force his way back into the cockpit controlled by his suicidal co-pilot then you also make it possible for a jihadi terrorist to do the same. There's no perfect system because people are not perfect.RobD said:
Thanks. I had thought there was this kind of mechanism on a couple of threads ago.TheWatcher said:
Post #956.RobD said:
Do you have the specifics on this? The telegraph article was vague and said it only unlocked the door for five seconds. If there is a time limit, you would think they would make it shorter than the time taken to descend from cruising altitude to the ground!TheWatcher said:
It can be overridden from the cockpit for a set time period.RobD said:Catching up on the airliner story. Absolutely dreadful news (and actually my worst fear about flying). The telegraph graphic suggests there is a keypad which can be used to open the door from the outside. Was this overridden, or did the crew simply forget about it?
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/558654-airbus-a320-crashed-southern-france-48.html
This is the thought of thing that should be able to be overridden somehow, perhaps via the satellite connection to the plane (although issues of hacking there).
Perhaps the balance is the wrong way round following the 9/11 attacks, but even if the Pilot had gained access to the cockpit he might not have been able to stop the co-pilot from crashing the plane in this instance.0 -
Probably just not enough time before the plane crashes. How absolutely horrifying for those involved.OblitusSumMe said:
The Guardian have this:RobD said:
Do you have the specifics on this? The telegraph article was vague and said it only unlocked the door for five seconds. If there is a time limit, you would think they would make it shorter than the time taken to descend from cruising altitude to the ground!TheWatcher said:
It can be overridden from the cockpit for a set time period.RobD said:Catching up on the airliner story. Absolutely dreadful news (and actually my worst fear about flying). The telegraph graphic suggests there is a keypad which can be used to open the door from the outside. Was this overridden, or did the crew simply forget about it?
"The captain, who had left the cockpit briefly, appears to have punched in an emergency number into the cockpit door to gain re-entry, but the co-pilot deployed a five-minute override."
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I have got to admit that I have got more lachrymose as I have got older as well.Plato said:I used to be very stalwart, I didn't even cry at the finale episode of MASH.
Now I cry at TV adverts involving furry quadrupeds. It's rather bizarre, but oddly satisfying.
However, I detest those Starving African Children With Big Eyes and the other charity ones with Limping Donkeys/Serious Voice Over et al - its so so crassly done.DaemonBarber said:
I admit to man-tears at the end of LotR-RotK, the bit where Aragorn tells Bilbo - "You bow for no man", and then bends his knee.Cyclefree said:TheScreamingEagles said:There's only one film that has made me cry.
The Wrath of Khan, I was about six, and I was gutted when Pointy met his maker.
Fifty Shades of Grey made me cry recently, but that was tears of laugher mostly.
Last scene of The Railway Children (the Agutter version) - on the station platform: always has me welling up......TheScreamingEagles said:There's only one film that has made me cry.
The Wrath of Khan, I was about six, and I was gutted when Pointy met his maker.
Fifty Shades of Grey made me cry recently, but that was tears of laugher mostly.
I still remember being in a cinema as a young child when Bambi's mother became venison. There was stunned silence as 200-300 kids slowly processed what had happened (thank god antifrank wasn't there). Then there was a sob. And another and then all hell broke loose. At the risk of being labelled another serial killer in the making I found the reaction (not the incident itself I hasten to emphasise) quite funny.
I wonder if any film maker for kids would be so brave today?
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I think Peter Bone, Philip Davies and Graham Brady would be very disappointed to have to vote against the Gov't in secret... on anythingJackW said:
23 Conservatives openly voted against the government ensuring the defeat. Would they have done differently in secret?TGOHF said:
Simon Carr @simonsketch 1m1 minute agoRobD said:
Shenanigans on both sidesTGOHF said:James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers 2m2 minutes ago
Labour sources admit they would not have got MPs back in sufficient numbers to save #Bercow without time from 3 urgent questions he granted
Why Labour was so angry, and why John Bercow looked so relieved was because they all knew he couldn't survive a secret vote for re-election.
I think not. 0 -
You miss the point.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. W, have there been any such measures to remove a Speaker? If not, there's no comparison to make.
Open elections for the Speaker have effectively changed little since WWII and there is no evidence that MP's who voted for other candidates or didn't vote for the Speaker have been disadvantaged .... unless in those immortal words - "you know different?"
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Well he probably shouldn't have been left in the cockpit alone. That would have significantly decreased the chances of him succeeding (unless he incapacitated whoever was in there with him). With this, and MH370, I think the airline industry need to think long and hard about constant real-time communication with their airplanes, and having the ability to override certain things (i.e. the door can be opened with two of the three parties agreeing - crew and control centre in the case of a suicidal pilot)weejonnie said:
It's very difficult isn't it - basically you have two systems - one that can never be opened against the wishes of the occupant and one that can always be issued against the wishes of the occupant. No matter what you do you will end up in one of these two configurations.RobD said:
Thanks. I had thought there was this kind of mechanism on a couple of threads ago.TheWatcher said:
Post #956.RobD said:
Do you have the specifics on this? The telegraph article was vague and said it only unlocked the door for five seconds. If there is a time limit, you would think they would make it shorter than the time taken to descend from cruising altitude to the ground!TheWatcher said:
It can be overridden from the cockpit for a set time period.RobD said:Catching up on the airliner story. Absolutely dreadful news (and actually my worst fear about flying). The telegraph graphic suggests there is a keypad which can be used to open the door from the outside. Was this overridden, or did the crew simply forget about it?
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/558654-airbus-a320-crashed-southern-france-48.html
This is the thought of thing that should be able to be overridden somehow, perhaps via the satellite connection to the plane (although issues of hacking there).
And at the end of the day, the weak link will always be the human operator (either because they can keep the door shut or force the door open)0 -
As mentioned earlier, I don't understand why a suicidal pilot would not just point the nose to the ground. Why put it on a long, slow descent?OblitusSumMe said:
If you make it possible for a sane pilot to force his way back into the cockpit controlled by his suicidal co-pilot then you also make it possible for a jihadi terrorist to do the same. There's no perfect system because people are not perfect.RobD said:
Thanks. I had thought there was this kind of mechanism on a couple of threads ago.TheWatcher said:
Post #956.RobD said:
Do you have the specifics on this? The telegraph article was vague and said it only unlocked the door for five seconds. If there is a time limit, you would think they would make it shorter than the time taken to descend from cruising altitude to the ground!TheWatcher said:
It can be overridden from the cockpit for a set time period.RobD said:Catching up on the airliner story. Absolutely dreadful news (and actually my worst fear about flying). The telegraph graphic suggests there is a keypad which can be used to open the door from the outside. Was this overridden, or did the crew simply forget about it?
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/558654-airbus-a320-crashed-southern-france-48.html
This is the thought of thing that should be able to be overridden somehow, perhaps via the satellite connection to the plane (although issues of hacking there).
Perhaps the balance is the wrong way round following the 9/11 attacks, but even if the Pilot had gained access to the cockpit he might not have been able to stop the co-pilot from crashing the plane in this instance.
I'd prefer to think incapacitation, but that cannot explain why the door override was operated. Which cannot be certain at the moment until (and maybe not even then) they get the FDR data.0 -
I agree there is a balance. Shame he was left on his own, which I don't think is normal for US airlines.OblitusSumMe said:
If you make it possible for a sane pilot to force his way back into the cockpit controlled by his suicidal co-pilot then you also make it possible for a jihadi terrorist to do the same. There's no perfect system because people are not perfect.RobD said:
Thanks. I had thought there was this kind of mechanism on a couple of threads ago.TheWatcher said:
Post #956.RobD said:
Do you have the specifics on this? The telegraph article was vague and said it only unlocked the door for five seconds. If there is a time limit, you would think they would make it shorter than the time taken to descend from cruising altitude to the ground!TheWatcher said:
It can be overridden from the cockpit for a set time period.RobD said:Catching up on the airliner story. Absolutely dreadful news (and actually my worst fear about flying). The telegraph graphic suggests there is a keypad which can be used to open the door from the outside. Was this overridden, or did the crew simply forget about it?
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/558654-airbus-a320-crashed-southern-france-48.html
This is the thought of thing that should be able to be overridden somehow, perhaps via the satellite connection to the plane (although issues of hacking there).
Perhaps the balance is the wrong way round following the 9/11 attacks, but even if the Pilot had gained access to the cockpit he might not have been able to stop the co-pilot from crashing the plane in this instance.0 -
In a measure to prevent terrorism, the passengers were subjected to actual terror
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Plonkers like this lot and David Davis are why the Coalition has been so essential. If the Tories had won 15 more seats in 2010 Cameron would have been under pressure to go it alone and his life would have been a nightmare.Pulpstar said:
I think Peter Bone, Philip Davies and Graham Brady would be very disappointed to have to vote against the Gov't in secret... on anythingJackW said:
23 Conservatives openly voted against the government ensuring the defeat. Would they have done differently in secret?TGOHF said:
Simon Carr @simonsketch 1m1 minute agoRobD said:
Shenanigans on both sidesTGOHF said:James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers 2m2 minutes ago
Labour sources admit they would not have got MPs back in sufficient numbers to save #Bercow without time from 3 urgent questions he granted
Why Labour was so angry, and why John Bercow looked so relieved was because they all knew he couldn't survive a secret vote for re-election.
I think not.
Unfortunately most of them will be back in the next Parliament and the same problem will apply.0 -
Mr. L, in the first episode of Defenders of the Earth, Flash Gordon's wife gets killed by Ming.
Old cartoon, though more recent than Bambi [and there's a slight cop-out result, with the mother's 'soul' inhabiting the Defenders' computer, if I remember rightly].
James May's Toy Stories covered Airfix models, or something similar, and found the cover art had been ridiculously sanitised in recent years (exploding bombs and engines aflame being airbrushed out).0 -
By raising taxes you take spending power out of the economy which will hurt everyone.weejonnie said:
Well - any idea where Labour will get the tens of billions they need to avoid cuts (not to mention the additional £8 billion the NHS is screaming for)? To lose one tax (VAT) is unfortunate, to lose another (NI) smacks of carelessness.MaxPB said:
I'm amazed that this:Pulpstar said:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32064575
Balls and Osborne gaming themselves into a real stalemate
PS It is of course true that Labour has said it would increase the very top rate of income tax from 45% to 50% for the top 1% of earners - those earning more than £150,000 a year. But it is moot whether this will in the long term raise a few billion or just a few hundred million pounds a year, because this group are so skilled at legally avoiding taxes.
Made it into the article. Finally the BBC have recognised that high marginal tax rates are counter productive. It's a shame it is in an article that only anoraks who know this already will read.
And even if they do - how will they be able to afford the SNP price - £180 billion - that works out at £4.5 billion a vote.
Labour recognise this since they did the opposite before the election by cutting VAT to boost spending (and not definitely not to bribe the electorate) so they must realise that extra taxes cut demand.
In the above case it had the effect of bringing spending forward (on top of the govt bringing its own spending forward) so after the election demand fell anyway even as VAT went up.
What is important is to spend what we can afford. Brown increased spending by 50% in real terms between 200 and 2010. We cannot afford that. That is the point of cuts, to remove the structural deficit. The deficits and surpluses of the normal economic cycle have to take care of themselves, although given the size of our previous deficits we would, I suggest if 'prudent', need to run a structural surplus for a time as well.
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I trust all the 23 Tory mps who supported Berkow get the complete whips sh1t bucket poured over them in the new parliament.
Berkow is a Brown stooge put in place to annoy the Tories. But if there is hung parliament the role becomes massively powerful.
Labour will be laughing their socks off knowing he's still in place.0 -
Feeble excuse. He is a self centred partisan Speaker, a creature of the Labour Party. The issue anyway is a secret ballot. Hardly earth shattering.taffys said:Bercow is a speaker of his times.
If you want to find fault, blame the times and not the speaker.0 -
Wife? I remember "Flash, Flash, I love you but we only have 24 hours to save the earth."Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, in the first episode of Defenders of the Earth, Flash Gordon's wife gets killed by Ming.
Old cartoon, though more recent than Bambi [and there's a slight cop-out result, with the mother's 'soul' inhabiting the Defenders' computer, if I remember rightly].
James May's Toy Stories covered Airfix models, or something similar, and found the cover art had been ridiculously sanitised in recent years (exploding bombs and engines aflame being airbrushed out).
One of the great lines and so much better than I have a headache.0 -
Whaever happened to the vote promised by Hague on EVEL?0
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Quite alot of those 23 couldn't give a hoot what the whips think.saddo said:I trust all the 23 Tory mps who supported Berkow get the complete whips sh1t bucket poured over them in the new parliament.
Berkow is a Brown stooge put in place to annoy the Tories. But if there is hung parliament the role becomes massively powerful.
Labour will be laughing their socks off knowing he's still in place.0 -
Why is CNN broadcasting an internal security video showing the security systems of cockpit doors ????
I mean seriously they just did FFS,!!
WTF?
Stunned
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Mr. L, Defenders of the Earth, man! The cartoon, not the film!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMKBQ3uu1Tc
Hmm. It's set in 2015, now I check the Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defenders_of_the_Earth0 -
Weirdly it isn't. The signals tend to be concentrated in areas where air, sea and land traffic is normally routed rather than evenly around the globe. That's why for example the Royal Navy still use traditional methods to navigate, with GPS as a backup rather than the other way around. You'll still find navigators with notebooks and pencil lines on paper charts manoeuvring warships.RobD said:
I had thought GPS was pretty much anywhere?TheWatcher said:
That assumes global satellite coverage. There are great swathes of the globe which don't receive adequate GPS signals, for example.RobD said:
Thanks. I had thought there was this kind of mechanism on a couple of threads ago.TheWatcher said:
Post #956.RobD said:
Do you have the specifics on this? The telegraph article was vague and said it only unlocked the door for five seconds. If there is a time limit, you would think they would make it shorter than the time taken to descend from cruising altitude to the ground!TheWatcher said:
It can be overridden from the cockpit for a set time period.RobD said:Catching up on the airliner story. Absolutely dreadful news (and actually my worst fear about flying). The telegraph graphic suggests there is a keypad which can be used to open the door from the outside. Was this overridden, or did the crew simply forget about it?
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/558654-airbus-a320-crashed-southern-france-48.html
This is the thought of thing that should be able to be overridden somehow, perhaps via the satellite connection to the plane (although issues of hacking there).
And how would the airline control centre know to deactivate the door lock?
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Why shouldn't they?Moses_ said:Why is CNN broadcasting an internal security video showing the security systems of cockpit doors ????
I mean seriously they just did FFS,!!
WTF?
Stunned
You can get instructions for how to make any kind of bomb on-line. It's not like a terrorist wouldn't be able to get this information if they wanted it.0 -
Balbo BigginsDavidL said:
Frodo?DaemonBarber said:
I admit to man-tears at the end of LotR-RotK, the bit where Aragorn tells Bilbo - "You bow for no man", and then bends his knee.Cyclefree said:TheScreamingEagles said:There's only one film that has made me cry.
The Wrath of Khan, I was about six, and I was gutted when Pointy met his maker.
Fifty Shades of Grey made me cry recently, but that was tears of laugher mostly.
Last scene of The Railway Children (the Agutter version) - on the station platform: always has me welling up......TheScreamingEagles said:There's only one film that has made me cry.
The Wrath of Khan, I was about six, and I was gutted when Pointy met his maker.
Fifty Shades of Grey made me cry recently, but that was tears of laugher mostly.
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Indeed, Pulpstar.Pulpstar said:In a measure to prevent terrorism, the passengers were subjected to actual terror
It's not the only instance of well-intentioned security measures having the wrong effect.0 -
I suspect people (and Bercow himself?) rather over state how much support Bercow has with Labour.saddo said:
Labour will be laughing their socks off knowing he's still in place.
Sure, lefties enjoy the fact the Bercow is Speaker and the Tories hate him. Also, he did largely have Labour to thank for getting the job in the first place, but overall I doubt most people in the Labour Party could really care less whether Bercow or Lindsay Hoyle is in the Chair...
As we saw by the way Brown, when it was expedient, served up Speaker Martin's head on a plate, Labour Party patronage can turn on a sixpence...
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I'm not sure fly by wire would allow you to undertake what would be considered an extreme manoeuvre - the flight computer takes over and levels off the aircraft.JosiasJessop said:
As mentioned earlier, I don't understand why a suicidal pilot would not just point the nose to the ground.OblitusSumMe said:
If you make it possible for a sane pilot to force his way back into the cockpit controlled by his suicidal co-pilot then you also make it possible for a jihadi terrorist to do the same. There's no perfect system because people are not perfect.RobD said:
Thanks. I had thought there was this kind of mechanism on a couple of threads ago.TheWatcher said:
Post #956.RobD said:
Do you have the specifics on this? The telegraph article was vague and said it only unlocked the door for five seconds. If there is a time limit, you would think they would make it shorter than the time taken to descend from cruising altitude to the ground!TheWatcher said:
It can be overridden from the cockpit for a set time period.RobD said:Catching up on the airliner story. Absolutely dreadful news (and actually my worst fear about flying). The telegraph graphic suggests there is a keypad which can be used to open the door from the outside. Was this overridden, or did the crew simply forget about it?
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/558654-airbus-a320-crashed-southern-france-48.html
This is the thought of thing that should be able to be overridden somehow, perhaps via the satellite connection to the plane (although issues of hacking there).
Perhaps the balance is the wrong way round following the 9/11 attacks, but even if the Pilot had gained access to the cockpit he might not have been able to stop the co-pilot from crashing the plane in this instance.
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You'd think that one of those daft trolleys with enough weight behind it really ought to be able to pop the door. Maybe trickier when the plane is in a steep descent admittedly.
Just a horrible story. I really don't like flying at the best of times.0 -
Telegraph says the pilot took 6 months off because of depression. Lawyers rubbing hands..0
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Mr. 1000, you can find out how to make bombs online. That doesn't mean it's wise, or acceptable, for news organisations to effectively provide a how-to guide for any watching lunatic [some idiot news organisation, I forget which, provided a helpful travel guide to any moron trying to reach ISIS via Turkey a few weeks ago].0
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WOW..Labour won a major victory in the HOC today.. Did they stop a war..did they stop a hospital closure..did they stop a major tax rise..nooo..apparently they stopped a secret ballot for the Speakers position...A magnificent victory indeed ..a grateful nation should cheer...oh dear..meanwhile some sick effer kills 150 people . Saudi starts a war with its neighbour and Greece is about to walk alone..Good to know that Labour is looking after the nations deepest concerns0
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Some of these cockpit doors are made of Kevlar.DavidL said:You'd think that one of those daft trolleys with enough weight behind it really ought to be able to pop the door. Maybe trickier when the plane is in a steep descent admittedly.
Just a horrible story. I really don't like flying at the best of times.
As a very nervous frequent flyer I'm going via ships in future.0
