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Dave will be asked again and again, and again and again he will seek to blame the LibDems. But he will be asked again and again, and that is the point. Labour needs to motivate its vote. On NI, the Tories promised to reverse the 1% employee rise introduced by Brown. When they took power they didn't.FrancisUrquhart said:
Well the out is still easy in terms of Lib Dems, they might say Tories pushed for VAT rise, and Tories say but Lib Dems wouldn't cut such and such.SouthamObserver said:
Yes, they can try to blame the LibDems. But presumably the LibDems might clarify. Dave will be asked about this again and again. And again and again the context will be that the last two times the Tories were in government they raised VAT having said that they would not beforehand.FrancisUrquhart said:
Tories have a fairly easy out on that...Coalition. Obviously Labour can then say, but but back in 1990's etc, but then we just descend into well when Labour said no rise in x or y and it happened.SouthamObserver said:So Dave rules out a VAT rise just as he did before the last election. Clearly, that kills the issue stone dead.
You hope that Dave gets asked this again and again. It will just come down to do people believe him or not and also the guns will turn around and say so Ed what taxes are you going to rule out rising...You can't just throw out look look Tory tax rise and not expect to get the same back.
I would say in terms of perception, Tories are seen as the party of lower taxes in the way Labour are of the NHS....neither are true, but I don't see the advantage for Ed to focus on tax when most people perceptions are Labour are the party who will increase your taxes.
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After performances from David Cameron like that, you have to wonder whether it was a mistake to avoid a one on one debate with Ed Miliband.0
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I suspect Osborne/Crosby have a similar trap planned for Miliband on the NHS.0
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Ed flat out on the canvas... Lefties in stunned silence...0
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TBH, I'm going to be glued to the Scottish results like nothing else on May 8th small hours.
Whether the Tories win an OM isn't half as entertaining as watching SLAB.MarqueeMark said:It is extraordinary to think that at the next PMQs there just might be no Scottish Labour MPs for the Speaker to call.....
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So tedious. I don't know how anyone can bear to come on here and just listen to Tory/Labour cheering. You don't even get to see the match. Does anyone seriously enjoy reading these whooping posts?0
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Don't be so hard on yourself Roger, we know you're trying your best.Roger said:So tedious. I don't know how anyone can bear to come on here and just listen to Tory/Labour cheering. You don't even get to see the match. Does anyone seriously enjoy reading these whooping posts?
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I'm going to need a very stiff drink around midnight too :EPlato said:TBH, I'm going to be glued to the Scottish results like nothing else on May 8th small hours.
Whether the Tories win an OM isn't half as entertaining as watching SLAB.MarqueeMark said:It is extraordinary to think that at the next PMQs there just might be no Scottish Labour MPs for the Speaker to call.....
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yes.Roger said:So tedious. I don't know how anyone can bear to come on here and just listen to Tory/Labour cheering. You don't even get to see the match. Does anyone seriously enjoy reading these whooping posts?
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It's not a question of 'blaming' the LibDems. It was a budget agreed by both parties after negotiations. That doesn't mean that a budget introduced by either of the two parties alone would have been identical. In particular, the LibDems would no doubt have pushed for the higher income-tax allowances and for changes in spending plans. As a result the difference had to be made up elsewhere.SouthamObserver said:Dave will be asked again and again, and again and again he will seek to blame the LibDems. But he will be asked again and again, and that is the point. Labour needs to motivate its vote. On NI, the Tories promised to reverse the 1% employee rise introduced by Brown. When they took power they didn't.
I'm baffled as to why you are having trouble comprehending this. It's simple enough, surely.0 -
Roger just go and open another bottle of champagne to calm yourself down.Roger said:So tedious. I don't know how anyone can bear to come on here and just listen to Tory/Labour cheering. You don't even get to see the match. Does anyone seriously enjoy reading these whooping posts?
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I can't remember the last time I actually REWOUND PMQs and watched it again purely for the laughs.
*wipes tears from eyes*antifrank said:I didn't see Prime Minister's Questions, but am I right in imagining it as the verbal form of this cartoon?
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But then the risk is that Ed gets the "aw, bless...." sympathy vote from all those traumatised maternal instincts....JEO said:After performances from David Cameron like that, you have to wonder whether it was a mistake to avoid a one on one debate with Ed Miliband.
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Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.0
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A nice lunch in Quo Vadis will lift your spirits. They've got some excellent rum in the bar upstairs, if you fancy a good drink afterwards. Pricey, mind.Roger said:So tedious. I don't know how anyone can bear to come on here and just listen to Tory/Labour cheering. You don't even get to see the match. Does anyone seriously enjoy reading these whooping posts?
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I think Ed will be ruling out a NI tax increase very shortly, if he doesn't, then the Tory attack lines really kick up a notch.rottenborough said:Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.
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Paul Waugh @paulwaugh 3m3 minutes ago
PMQs is often more about party morale than substance. But morale still matters. And after 5 yrs, EdM saved the worst til last.0 -
Three points on PMQ's:
1) Miliband asking for a direct answer, getting one, and then saying 'I don't believe you', is incredibly weak. In fact, pathetically so.
2) Cameron was wrong about Crossrail: the bill passed under Labour, as did the contracts for the initial enabling works. The coalition did award all the other major contracts and spend most of the money; then again, the way it is funded meant that, once the ground was broken, it would have been a very hard project to cancel.
3) It was boring enough to send my son to sleep. Could letting a nine-month old watch PMQ's be seen as some form of cruel and unusual punishment? :-)0 -
£150k rate of tax up to 50p is Labour's plan isn't it ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I think Ed will be ruling out a NI tax increase very shortly, if he doesn't, then the Tory attack lines really kick up a notch.rottenborough said:Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbctwo and just rewind backSquareRoot said:Out on the road today... could someone put up the link to pmq's if available. I need a good laugh.
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You did very well to find that. Larson's lawyers normally come down very heavily on any use of his cartoons on the net....antifrank said:I didn't see Prime Minister's Questions, but am I right in imagining it as the verbal form of this cartoon?
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I doubt if they can afford to rule out an NI increase.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think Ed will be ruling out a NI tax increase very shortly, if he doesn't, then the Tory attack lines really kick up a notch.rottenborough said:Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.
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Cameron won that easily, but I find it a bit intellectually dishonest for the prime minister of a coaltion to be taunting the opposition for them possibly being in a future coalition because 'they can't win on their own'0
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watcher
A nice lunch in Quo Vadis will lift your spirits.
Thanks! A man after my own heart.0 -
The 7 way debate - sounds like Cam will turn all guns on Ed and ignore the other 5. Ed may do the same - either on himself or Cam....rottenborough said:Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.
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Is that it then? Has Ed had his 15 minutes of fame?
The nation keeps its fingers crossed...0 -
Rumours CVR will indicate windscreen failure...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3010610/French-alps-crash-French-alps-Germanwings-plane-crash-Lufthansa-GWI9525-4U9525-Airbus-A320-Barcelonnette-Alpes-Hautes-Digne-Les-Bains.html0 -
Chuka in distress.0
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I've only been there twice - first time was FAB and very boozy, the second was a birthday treat and it was FREEZING cold. WTF was going on with their AC?
I wanted to put on gloves and hated it.TheWatcher said:
A nice lunch in Quo Vadis will lift your spirits. They've got some excellent rum in the bar upstairs, if you fancy a good drink afterwards. Pricey, mind.Roger said:So tedious. I don't know how anyone can bear to come on here and just listen to Tory/Labour cheering. You don't even get to see the match. Does anyone seriously enjoy reading these whooping posts?
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But when we DO get going, the voters will run a mile from Ed?rottenborough said:Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.
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There's a big difference between being dependent on the support of the LibDems, who have been serious and responsible, and being dependent on a party which wants to break up the union and, whilst it's waiting to do that, wants to extract as much loot from England as possible.isam said:Cameron won that easily, but I find it a bit intellectually dishonest for the prime minister of a coaltion to be taunting the opposition for them possibly being in a future coalition because 'they can't win on their own'
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Its politically astute though.isam said:Cameron won that easily, but I find it a bit intellectually dishonest for the prime minister of a coaltion to be taunting the opposition for them possibly being in a future coalition because 'they can't win on their own'
How intellectually dishonest is it for Farage to say we can repeal the race relations act? How much of a liar is he to say UKIP are colour blind.0 -
Indeed - the Tories agreed to put up VAT having said that they wouldn't.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not a question of 'blaming' the LibDems. It was a budget agreed by both parties after negotiations. That doesn't mean that a budget introduced by either of the two parties alone would have been identical. In particular, the LibDems would no doubt have pushed for the higher income-tax allowances and for changes in spending plans. As a result the difference had to be made up elsewhere.SouthamObserver said:Dave will be asked again and again, and again and again he will seek to blame the LibDems. But he will be asked again and again, and that is the point. Labour needs to motivate its vote. On NI, the Tories promised to reverse the 1% employee rise introduced by Brown. When they took power they didn't.
I'm baffled as to why you are having trouble comprehending this. It's simple enough, surely.0 -
Also Ralph Fiennes fav.....Roger said:watcher
A nice lunch in Quo Vadis will lift your spirits.
Thanks! A man after my own heart.
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chestnut said:
Chuka in distress.
From the BBC feed - is it right for Labour to say they didn't go into politics to tax people?
"Shadow business secretary Chuka Umunna is under pressure on the Daily Politics to categorically rule out raising national insurance contributions. "It is not our policy to increase national insurance… we haven't gone into politics to tax people. What we want to do is reduce people's taxes," he replies - without categorically ruling it out."0 -
I think so.Pulpstar said:
£150k rate of tax up to 50p is Labour's plan isn't it ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I think Ed will be ruling out a NI tax increase very shortly, if he doesn't, then the Tory attack lines really kick up a notch.rottenborough said:Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.
I read somewhere on the reasons why the Tories went along with the big increases on the personal allowance, as it made the national insurance contributions look even larger on the average payslip.
So they could use this line of attack in 2015.0 -
Regarding stockmarket I hope we remember the way it crashed in disappointment after Scotland failed to gain its independence.0
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Labour cannot afford anything in their spending plans. I'm sure an employers NI increase - a tax on jobs - is a nailed on certainty if Labour win.Richard_Nabavi said:
I doubt if they can afford to rule out an NI increase.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think Ed will be ruling out a NI tax increase very shortly, if he doesn't, then the Tory attack lines really kick up a notch.rottenborough said:Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.
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Think we really got going todayrottenborough said:Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.
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I'd kidnap his Quiz Show character purely for intellectual reasons...MarqueeMark said:
Also Ralph Fiennes fav.....Roger said:watcher
A nice lunch in Quo Vadis will lift your spirits.
Thanks! A man after my own heart.0 -
Alex recommends pink champagne. Labour supporters had better get used to taking his advice.TheWatcher said:
A nice lunch in Quo Vadis will lift your spirits. They've got some excellent rum in the bar upstairs, if you fancy a good drink afterwards. Pricey, mind.Roger said:So tedious. I don't know how anyone can bear to come on here and just listen to Tory/Labour cheering. You don't even get to see the match. Does anyone seriously enjoy reading these whooping posts?
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Mike's bar chart omits Monday's Populus, which gives Labour a lead!
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Dear lord you are obsessed with Ukip ting tongFlightpath said:
Its politically astute though.isam said:Cameron won that easily, but I find it a bit intellectually dishonest for the prime minister of a coaltion to be taunting the opposition for them possibly being in a future coalition because 'they can't win on their own'
How intellectually dishonest is it for Farage to say we can repeal the race relations act? How much of a liar is he to say UKIP are colour blind.
It isn't intellectually dishonest for farage to say that can be repealed and he isn't a liar to say Ukip are colour blind0 -
Thats right.. Even I get upset when I stand on a snail.MarqueeMark said:
But then the risk is that Ed gets the "aw, bless...." sympathy vote from all those traumatised maternal instincts....JEO said:After performances from David Cameron like that, you have to wonder whether it was a mistake to avoid a one on one debate with Ed Miliband.
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Part-ELBOW for the first FIVE polls this week (Populus, Ashcroft, ComRes and two YG) gives Labour a 0.5% lead, which is what they had for week-ending 22nd March.0
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An interesting theory - PPrune is both excellent and infuriating in these sort of developing stories - there's a heck of a great deal of chaff, but also an occasional superb head of wheat.RodCrosby said:Rumours CVR will indicate windscreen failure...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3010610/French-alps-crash-French-alps-Germanwings-plane-crash-Lufthansa-GWI9525-4U9525-Airbus-A320-Barcelonnette-Alpes-Hautes-Digne-Les-Bains.html
If it is something like this, then it may be like the BA5320 flight, when a pilot nearly died after being sucked out of a failed window - only quick thinking by a steward saved him. ISTR it was also difficult for them to make radio mayday calls die to the wind noise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_5390
( I know I have sucked, head and wind in this comment. Any smuttiness is purely in the mind of the reader).0 -
The thrust of his point was 'they can't win in their own'Richard_Nabavi said:
There's a big difference between being dependent on the support of the LibDems, who have been serious and responsible, and being dependent on a party which wants to break up the union and, whilst it's waiting to do that, wants to extract as much loot from England as possible.isam said:Cameron won that easily, but I find it a bit intellectually dishonest for the prime minister of a coaltion to be taunting the opposition for them possibly being in a future coalition because 'they can't win on their own'
Neither could he. Poor from Cameron there0 -
But that doesn't include the mega YouGov?Sunil_Prasannan said:Part-ELBOW for the first FIVE polls this week (Populus, Ashcroft, ComRes and two YG) gives Labour a 0.5% lead, which is what they had for week-ending 22nd March.
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He didnt rule it out, he just said he had no intentions. Ruling it out is very different.SouthamObserver said:So Dave rules out a VAT rise just as he did before the last election. Clearly, that kills the issue stone dead.
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I've always found it slightly flabbergasting the way the rate of Employee NI gets cut from 12% to 2% when you move to the 40% income tax rate. It effectively means you only have a marginal 10% tax rise rather than 20% on your higher earnings.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think so.Pulpstar said:
£150k rate of tax up to 50p is Labour's plan isn't it ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I think Ed will be ruling out a NI tax increase very shortly, if he doesn't, then the Tory attack lines really kick up a notch.rottenborough said:Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.
I read somewhere on the reasons why the Tories went along with the big increases on the personal allowance, as it made the national insurance contributions look even larger on the average payslip.
So they could use this line of attack in 2015.0 -
What was Mr Danzuch [sp] thinking of getting a PMQ slot after his recent comments?
Does he want to kill off EdM?0 -
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@isam
Thanks for those links on sadiq khan you posted the other night,a very dangerous individual if he became leader of anything.
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As a party they are completely colour blind. Just as I would hope the Tories and Labour are.Flightpath said:
Its politically astute though.isam said:Cameron won that easily, but I find it a bit intellectually dishonest for the prime minister of a coaltion to be taunting the opposition for them possibly being in a future coalition because 'they can't win on their own'
How intellectually dishonest is it for Farage to say we can repeal the race relations act? How much of a liar is he to say UKIP are colour blind.
All three parties (as well as the Lib Dems) contain small numbers of racists and homophobes. The important point is that they do not remain part of the party structure when the are exposed.
How is Ken Gregory by the way? Still happily serving as a Tory councillor in Thanet?0 -
Danczuk!Plato said:What was Mr Danzuch [sp] thinking of getting a PMQ slot after his recent comments?
Does he want to kill off EdM?0 -
Some real word Construction info.
I would say now that the Construction Industry in the South of England is busier than at any point ever. It is really quite amazing the amount of work there is about. Wages are rising very quickly.0 -
Has it been de-embargoed??TheScreamingEagles said:
But that doesn't include the mega YouGov?Sunil_Prasannan said:Part-ELBOW for the first FIVE polls this week (Populus, Ashcroft, ComRes and two YG) gives Labour a 0.5% lead, which is what they had for week-ending 22nd March.
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Sounds like the oxygen system then failed. Has happened before...JosiasJessop said:
An interesting theory - PPrune is both excellent and infuriating in these sort of developing stories - there's a heck of a great deal of chaff, but also an occasional superb head of wheat.RodCrosby said:Rumours CVR will indicate windscreen failure...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3010610/French-alps-crash-French-alps-Germanwings-plane-crash-Lufthansa-GWI9525-4U9525-Airbus-A320-Barcelonnette-Alpes-Hautes-Digne-Les-Bains.html
If it is something like this, then it may be like the BA5320 flight, when a pilot nearly died after being sucked out of a failed window - only quick thinking by a steward saved him. ISTR it was also difficult for them to make radio mayday calls die to the wind noise.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_5390
( I know I have sucked, head and wind in this comment. Any smuttiness is purely in the mind of the reader).
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Does anyone have a running total of the # of MPs standing down and the likely number to be unseated by party?0
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Ah runners on the green - Dubai World Cup & London marathon this weekend must be.0
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No, Labour's £137bn deficit forced the coalition government to raise taxes.SouthamObserver said:
Indeed - the Tories agreed to put up VAT having said that they wouldn't.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not a question of 'blaming' the LibDems. It was a budget agreed by both parties after negotiations. That doesn't mean that a budget introduced by either of the two parties alone would have been identical. In particular, the LibDems would no doubt have pushed for the higher income-tax allowances and for changes in spending plans. As a result the difference had to be made up elsewhere.SouthamObserver said:Dave will be asked again and again, and again and again he will seek to blame the LibDems. But he will be asked again and again, and that is the point. Labour needs to motivate its vote. On NI, the Tories promised to reverse the 1% employee rise introduced by Brown. When they took power they didn't.
I'm baffled as to why you are having trouble comprehending this. It's simple enough, surely.0 -
YesSunil_Prasannan said:
Has it been de-embargoed??TheScreamingEagles said:
But that doesn't include the mega YouGov?Sunil_Prasannan said:Part-ELBOW for the first FIVE polls this week (Populus, Ashcroft, ComRes and two YG) gives Labour a 0.5% lead, which is what they had for week-ending 22nd March.
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Thats becuase it's historically linked in with making a contribution to your pension entitlement. You're pension is capped, so your NI is too (at least in principle). It was Brown which brought in the continuation of NI which was effectively a penny on higher rate tax.Alistair said:
I've always found it slightly flabbergasting the way the rate of Employee NI gets cut from 12% to 2% when you move to the 40% income tax rate. It effectively means you only have a marginal 10% tax rise rather than 20% on your higher earnings.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think so.Pulpstar said:
£150k rate of tax up to 50p is Labour's plan isn't it ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I think Ed will be ruling out a NI tax increase very shortly, if he doesn't, then the Tory attack lines really kick up a notch.rottenborough said:Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.
I read somewhere on the reasons why the Tories went along with the big increases on the personal allowance, as it made the national insurance contributions look even larger on the average payslip.
So they could use this line of attack in 2015.
Remember, it's not a tax (TM).
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Oh I thought you emailed me 'cos it was embargoed! OK, I stick into my ELBOW asap!TheScreamingEagles said:
YesSunil_Prasannan said:
Has it been de-embargoed??TheScreamingEagles said:
But that doesn't include the mega YouGov?Sunil_Prasannan said:Part-ELBOW for the first FIVE polls this week (Populus, Ashcroft, ComRes and two YG) gives Labour a 0.5% lead, which is what they had for week-ending 22nd March.
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Labour also left the 2 giant aircraft carriers without catapults for the Tories to finish.JosiasJessop said:Three points on PMQ's:
1) Miliband asking for a direct answer, getting one, and then saying 'I don't believe you', is incredibly weak. In fact, pathetically so.
2) Cameron was wrong about Crossrail: the bill passed under Labour, as did the contracts for the initial enabling works. The coalition did award all the other major contracts and spend most of the money; then again, the way it is funded meant that, once the ground was broken, it would have been a very hard project to cancel.
3) It was boring enough to send my son to sleep. Could letting a nine-month old watch PMQ's be seen as some form of cruel and unusual punishment? :-)
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I sent it, because I didn't want you to miss it.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Oh I thought you emailed me 'cos it was embargoed! OK, I stick into my ELBOW asap!TheScreamingEagles said:
YesSunil_Prasannan said:
Has it been de-embargoed??TheScreamingEagles said:
But that doesn't include the mega YouGov?Sunil_Prasannan said:Part-ELBOW for the first FIVE polls this week (Populus, Ashcroft, ComRes and two YG) gives Labour a 0.5% lead, which is what they had for week-ending 22nd March.
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Didn't watch PMQs but having just checkd the reaction on the BBC it seems Cameron did his usual thing of not bothering to anwser the questions put to him. On a different note I see the reaction on here from Tories was that it was yet another stellar peformance by Dave and I'll give you this, he's good at tub thumping and boosting morale on his own side. But succeeding in politics involves persuading the waverers not simply preaching to the converted. Dave seems to have a 35% strategy, he just doesn't realise it.0
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whereas Ed does have a 35% strategy, and he's failing at it....FrankBooth said:. Dave seems to have a 35% strategy, he just doesn't realise it.
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Err no, Dave did answer the question, which tripped Ed up.FrankBooth said:Didn't watch PMQs but having just checkd the reaction on the BBC it seems Cameron did his usual thing of not bothering to anwser the questions put to him. On a different note I see the reaction on here from Tories was that it was yet another stellar peformance by Dave and I'll give you this, he's good at tub thumping and boosting morale on his own side. But succeeding in politics involves persuading the waverers not simply preaching to the converted. Dave seems to have a 35% strategy, he just doesn't realise it.
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https://vine.co/v/O3O02IAMPzKFrankBooth said:Didn't watch PMQs but having just checkd the reaction on the BBC it seems Cameron did his usual thing of not bothering to anwser the questions put to him.
Nope...not answering the question there.0 -
@jameschappers: Labour says it will continue with Tory VAT bombshell posters even though Cameron has just categorically ruled out a rise #pmqs0
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Watching without sound it looks to me judging by body language that Danczuk passed Dave the ball to stick into an open net.
I'm guessing he got some of his lines about Ed in the reply ?0 -
Not a problem... Yes would make London a horrible place if we elect politicians that want policies to favour one race over anotherTykejohnno said:@isam
Thanks for those links on sadiq khan you posted the other night,a very dangerous individual if he became leader of anything.
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What a weird line of questioning by Ed. Asking a straight question and then saying "ah but nobody believes you so nahnahnahnahnah, here's another question that nobody will believe your answer to..."
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I'm not a tory,I've posted on here when Ed as had a good PMQ's,just reporting how I saw it.FrankBooth said:Didn't watch PMQs but having just checkd the reaction on the BBC it seems Cameron did his usual thing of not bothering to anwser the questions put to him. On a different note I see the reaction on here from Tories was that it was yet another stellar peformance by Dave and I'll give you this, he's good at tub thumping and boosting morale on his own side. But succeeding in politics involves persuading the waverers not simply preaching to the converted. Dave seems to have a 35% strategy, he just doesn't realise it.
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So Cameron was only asked one question in half an hour was he? How strange.0
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Yes, they can try that too.MaxPB said:
No, Labour's £137bn deficit forced the coalition government to raise taxes.SouthamObserver said:
Indeed - the Tories agreed to put up VAT having said that they wouldn't.Richard_Nabavi said:
It's not a question of 'blaming' the LibDems. It was a budget agreed by both parties after negotiations. That doesn't mean that a budget introduced by either of the two parties alone would have been identical. In particular, the LibDems would no doubt have pushed for the higher income-tax allowances and for changes in spending plans. As a result the difference had to be made up elsewhere.SouthamObserver said:Dave will be asked again and again, and again and again he will seek to blame the LibDems. But he will be asked again and again, and that is the point. Labour needs to motivate its vote. On NI, the Tories promised to reverse the 1% employee rise introduced by Brown. When they took power they didn't.
I'm baffled as to why you are having trouble comprehending this. It's simple enough, surely.
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Yup, he asked about immigration as well.Pulpstar said:Watching without sound it looks to me judging by body language that Danczuk passed Dave the ball to stick into an open net.
I'm guessing he got some of his lines about Ed in the reply ?
If a bookie had a market on him defecting to UKIP in the next 18 months, I'd be backing that to the hilt.0 -
Is the mega YouGov a separate poll from the daily YouGovs or just their amalgamation?0
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If he isn't going to tax people he only has two real options.MarqueeMark said:
1) Tax corporations - which will go down like a lead balloon when people realise it's really a tax on their pensions.
2) Cuts worse than Thatcher.
Which one(s) will it be?0 -
OK thanks! Chronologically with regard to fieldwork, however, it would fit in between ComRes and Monday's YG, breaking the "four in a row tied polls" meme!TheScreamingEagles said:
I sent it, because I didn't want you to miss it.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Oh I thought you emailed me 'cos it was embargoed! OK, I stick into my ELBOW asap!TheScreamingEagles said:
YesSunil_Prasannan said:
Has it been de-embargoed??TheScreamingEagles said:
But that doesn't include the mega YouGov?Sunil_Prasannan said:Part-ELBOW for the first FIVE polls this week (Populus, Ashcroft, ComRes and two YG) gives Labour a 0.5% lead, which is what they had for week-ending 22nd March.
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Given Labour's previous track record - both.weejonnie said:
If he isn't going to tax people he only has two real options.MarqueeMark said:
1) Tax corporations - which will go down like a lead balloon when people realise it's really a tax on their pensions.
2) Cuts worse than Thatcher.
Which one(s) will it be?
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And desperate.
It was an inept version of When Did You Stop Beating Your Wife.DaemonBarber said:What a weird line of questioning by Ed. Asking a straight question and then saying "ah but nobody believes you so nahnahnahnahnah, here's another question that nobody will believe your answer to..."
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Separate, fieldwork 18th to 23rd.Verulamius said:Is the mega YouGov a separate poll from the daily YouGovs or just their amalgamation?
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I'm a little surprised that almost everyone is ruling out a majority government.
We only require a swing of around 3-4% Lab to Con for a majority CON and majority LAB is probably within MOE of most polls.
With almost 50% of respondents recently declaring that they might change their voting intention between now and the general election, there is still lots up for grabs.
I still think most of the potential upside is with the tories (better funded campaign, inherent understating in the polls, softish UKIP vote) however it would not take much of an event against them to swing it to labour.
FWIW, I don't think there will be an overall majority for either tories or labour, but if forced to make a prediction would go tories most votes (by slightly more than polls are showing at present) and tories most seats (probably 20 more than labour at least.0 -
James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers 7m7 minutes ago
Labour says it will continue with Tory VAT bombshell posters even though Cameron has just categorically ruled out a rise #pmqs0 -
You make a good point to remind people about that. That's why I think its wrong to merge NI and tax no matter how alluringly logical it might seem. It removes all together the contributory principle that should underpin welfare.Slackbladder said:
Thats becuase it's historically linked in with making a contribution to your pension entitlement. You're pension is capped, so your NI is too (at least in principle). It was Brown which brought in the continuation of NI which was effectively a penny on higher rate tax.Alistair said:
I've always found it slightly flabbergasting the way the rate of Employee NI gets cut from 12% to 2% when you move to the 40% income tax rate. It effectively means you only have a marginal 10% tax rise rather than 20% on your higher earnings.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think so.Pulpstar said:
£150k rate of tax up to 50p is Labour's plan isn't it ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I think Ed will be ruling out a NI tax increase very shortly, if he doesn't, then the Tory attack lines really kick up a notch.rottenborough said:Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.
I read somewhere on the reasons why the Tories went along with the big increases on the personal allowance, as it made the national insurance contributions look even larger on the average payslip.
So they could use this line of attack in 2015.
Remember, it's not a tax (TM).
Employers NI doesn't get capped of course.0 -
Guardian live blog
My PMQs Verdict: Well, that was worth the hype. Normally exchanges at PMQs are heated, but relatively inconsequential. But today we got a proper announcement - a surprise fiscal statement, with a significant implications for a potential Conservative government - and David Cameron deployed it with perfect timing. It is rare to see a PMQs ambush executed with more aplomb.
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Is Mr Galloway standing again?Tykejohnno said:
I'm not a tory,I've posted on here when Ed as had a good PMQ's,just reporting how I saw it.FrankBooth said:Didn't watch PMQs but having just checkd the reaction on the BBC it seems Cameron did his usual thing of not bothering to anwser the questions put to him. On a different note I see the reaction on here from Tories was that it was yet another stellar peformance by Dave and I'll give you this, he's good at tub thumping and boosting morale on his own side. But succeeding in politics involves persuading the waverers not simply preaching to the converted. Dave seems to have a 35% strategy, he just doesn't realise it.
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Alistair said:
I've always found it slightly flabbergasting the way the rate of Employee NI gets cut from 12% to 2% when you move to the 40% income tax rate. It effectively means you only have a marginal 10% tax rise rather than 20% on your higher earnings.TheScreamingEagles said:
I think so.Pulpstar said:
£150k rate of tax up to 50p is Labour's plan isn't it ?TheScreamingEagles said:
I think Ed will be ruling out a NI tax increase very shortly, if he doesn't, then the Tory attack lines really kick up a notch.rottenborough said:Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.
I read somewhere on the reasons why the Tories went along with the big increases on the personal allowance, as it made the national insurance contributions look even larger on the average payslip.
So they could use this line of attack in 2015.
That's a feature, not a bug.
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So continuing with their nobody-believes-the-tories meme...TGOHF said:James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers 7m7 minutes ago
Labour says it will continue with Tory VAT bombshell posters even though Cameron has just categorically ruled out a rise #pmqs
Are they really wanting to reduce the turnout to absolute minimum levels? Surely only the Tories will benefit from that course of action?0 -
1. they will have paid the printers.TGOHF said:James Chapman (Mail) @jameschappers 7m7 minutes ago
Labour says it will continue with Tory VAT bombshell posters even though Cameron has just categorically ruled out a rise #pmqs
2. they have nothing else to say instead.
3. Labour is very much at ease with itself when it comes to lying. From dodgy dossiers to dodgy posters is hardly a leap....
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Indeed he is plato,but how can you not vote for this Guy.Plato said:Is Mr Galloway standing again?
Tykejohnno said:
I'm not a tory,I've posted on here when Ed as had a good PMQ's,just reporting how I saw it.FrankBooth said:Didn't watch PMQs but having just checkd the reaction on the BBC it seems Cameron did his usual thing of not bothering to anwser the questions put to him. On a different note I see the reaction on here from Tories was that it was yet another stellar peformance by Dave and I'll give you this, he's good at tub thumping and boosting morale on his own side. But succeeding in politics involves persuading the waverers not simply preaching to the converted. Dave seems to have a 35% strategy, he just doesn't realise it.
http://www.ukip-bradford.org.uk/tags/bradford_west
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Alex Salmond's Poodle was a killer line.
I rather like Mr Pound, but he set up another one-liner there re SNP
EDIT I also loved the Richard III line - there's a great headline in the Times yesterday re his funeral "A hearse, a hearse" LOL0 -
Will the tories "Jobs Tax Bombshell" poster be released before or after their "Ed as Salmond's poodle" cartoon?
Could go either way0