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  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672

    So Dave rules out a VAT rise just as he did before the last election. Clearly, that kills the issue stone dead.

    Tories have a fairly easy out on that...Coalition. Obviously Labour can then say, but but back in 1990's etc, but then we just descend into well when Labour said no rise in x or y and it happened.

    Yes, they can try to blame the LibDems. But presumably the LibDems might clarify. Dave will be asked about this again and again. And again and again the context will be that the last two times the Tories were in government they raised VAT having said that they would not beforehand.

    Well the out is still easy in terms of Lib Dems, they might say Tories pushed for VAT rise, and Tories say but Lib Dems wouldn't cut such and such.

    You hope that Dave gets asked this again and again. It will just come down to do people believe him or not and also the guns will turn around and say so Ed what taxes are you going to rule out rising...You can't just throw out look look Tory tax rise and not expect to get the same back.

    I would say in terms of perception, Tories are seen as the party of lower taxes in the way Labour are of the NHS....neither are true, but I don't see the advantage for Ed to focus on tax when most people perceptions are Labour are the party who will increase your taxes.

    Dave will be asked again and again, and again and again he will seek to blame the LibDems. But he will be asked again and again, and that is the point. Labour needs to motivate its vote. On NI, the Tories promised to reverse the 1% employee rise introduced by Brown. When they took power they didn't.
  • JEOJEO Posts: 3,656
    After performances from David Cameron like that, you have to wonder whether it was a mistake to avoid a one on one debate with Ed Miliband.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,711
    I suspect Osborne/Crosby have a similar trap planned for Miliband on the NHS.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,387
    edited March 2015
    Ed flat out on the canvas... Lefties in stunned silence...
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    TBH, I'm going to be glued to the Scottish results like nothing else on May 8th small hours.

    Whether the Tories win an OM isn't half as entertaining as watching SLAB.

    It is extraordinary to think that at the next PMQs there just might be no Scottish Labour MPs for the Speaker to call.....

  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,981
    So tedious. I don't know how anyone can bear to come on here and just listen to Tory/Labour cheering. You don't even get to see the match. Does anyone seriously enjoy reading these whooping posts?
  • Roger said:

    So tedious. I don't know how anyone can bear to come on here and just listen to Tory/Labour cheering. You don't even get to see the match. Does anyone seriously enjoy reading these whooping posts?

    Don't be so hard on yourself Roger, we know you're trying your best.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Plato said:

    TBH, I'm going to be glued to the Scottish results like nothing else on May 8th small hours.

    Whether the Tories win an OM isn't half as entertaining as watching SLAB.

    It is extraordinary to think that at the next PMQs there just might be no Scottish Labour MPs for the Speaker to call.....

    I'm going to need a very stiff drink around midnight too :E
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    Roger said:

    So tedious. I don't know how anyone can bear to come on here and just listen to Tory/Labour cheering. You don't even get to see the match. Does anyone seriously enjoy reading these whooping posts?

    yes.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    Dave will be asked again and again, and again and again he will seek to blame the LibDems. But he will be asked again and again, and that is the point. Labour needs to motivate its vote. On NI, the Tories promised to reverse the 1% employee rise introduced by Brown. When they took power they didn't.

    It's not a question of 'blaming' the LibDems. It was a budget agreed by both parties after negotiations. That doesn't mean that a budget introduced by either of the two parties alone would have been identical. In particular, the LibDems would no doubt have pushed for the higher income-tax allowances and for changes in spending plans. As a result the difference had to be made up elsewhere.

    I'm baffled as to why you are having trouble comprehending this. It's simple enough, surely.
  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915
    Roger said:

    So tedious. I don't know how anyone can bear to come on here and just listen to Tory/Labour cheering. You don't even get to see the match. Does anyone seriously enjoy reading these whooping posts?

    Roger just go and open another bottle of champagne to calm yourself down.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I can't remember the last time I actually REWOUND PMQs and watched it again purely for the laughs.

    *wipes tears from eyes*
    antifrank said:

    I didn't see Prime Minister's Questions, but am I right in imagining it as the verbal form of this cartoon?

    http://farm1.staticflickr.com/24/58683008_2dc4c01d94_z.jpg?zz=1

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,947
    JEO said:

    After performances from David Cameron like that, you have to wonder whether it was a mistake to avoid a one on one debate with Ed Miliband.

    But then the risk is that Ed gets the "aw, bless...." sympathy vote from all those traumatised maternal instincts....
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,137
    Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.
  • TheWatcherTheWatcher Posts: 5,262
    edited March 2015
    Roger said:

    So tedious. I don't know how anyone can bear to come on here and just listen to Tory/Labour cheering. You don't even get to see the match. Does anyone seriously enjoy reading these whooping posts?

    A nice lunch in Quo Vadis will lift your spirits. They've got some excellent rum in the bar upstairs, if you fancy a good drink afterwards. Pricey, mind.
  • Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.

    I think Ed will be ruling out a NI tax increase very shortly, if he doesn't, then the Tory attack lines really kick up a notch.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Paul Waugh ‏@paulwaugh 3m3 minutes ago
    PMQs is often more about party morale than substance. But morale still matters. And after 5 yrs, EdM saved the worst til last.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,485
    Three points on PMQ's:

    1) Miliband asking for a direct answer, getting one, and then saying 'I don't believe you', is incredibly weak. In fact, pathetically so.

    2) Cameron was wrong about Crossrail: the bill passed under Labour, as did the contracts for the initial enabling works. The coalition did award all the other major contracts and spend most of the money; then again, the way it is funded meant that, once the ground was broken, it would have been a very hard project to cancel.

    3) It was boring enough to send my son to sleep. Could letting a nine-month old watch PMQ's be seen as some form of cruel and unusual punishment? :-)
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415

    Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.

    I think Ed will be ruling out a NI tax increase very shortly, if he doesn't, then the Tory attack lines really kick up a notch.
    £150k rate of tax up to 50p is Labour's plan isn't it ?
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    Out on the road today... could someone put up the link to pmq's if available. I need a good laugh.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/live/bbctwo and just rewind back
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,947
    antifrank said:

    I didn't see Prime Minister's Questions, but am I right in imagining it as the verbal form of this cartoon?

    http://farm1.staticflickr.com/24/58683008_2dc4c01d94_z.jpg?zz=1

    You did very well to find that. Larson's lawyers normally come down very heavily on any use of his cartoons on the net....
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821

    Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.

    I think Ed will be ruling out a NI tax increase very shortly, if he doesn't, then the Tory attack lines really kick up a notch.
    I doubt if they can afford to rule out an NI increase.
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    Cameron won that easily, but I find it a bit intellectually dishonest for the prime minister of a coaltion to be taunting the opposition for them possibly being in a future coalition because 'they can't win on their own'
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,981
    watcher

    A nice lunch in Quo Vadis will lift your spirits.


    Thanks! A man after my own heart.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.

    The 7 way debate - sounds like Cam will turn all guns on Ed and ignore the other 5. Ed may do the same - either on himself or Cam....

  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    Is that it then? Has Ed had his 15 minutes of fame?
    The nation keeps its fingers crossed...
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    Chuka in distress.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I've only been there twice - first time was FAB and very boozy, the second was a birthday treat and it was FREEZING cold. WTF was going on with their AC?

    I wanted to put on gloves and hated it.

    Roger said:

    So tedious. I don't know how anyone can bear to come on here and just listen to Tory/Labour cheering. You don't even get to see the match. Does anyone seriously enjoy reading these whooping posts?

    A nice lunch in Quo Vadis will lift your spirits. They've got some excellent rum in the bar upstairs, if you fancy a good drink afterwards. Pricey, mind.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,947

    Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.

    But when we DO get going, the voters will run a mile from Ed?

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited March 2015
    isam said:

    Cameron won that easily, but I find it a bit intellectually dishonest for the prime minister of a coaltion to be taunting the opposition for them possibly being in a future coalition because 'they can't win on their own'

    There's a big difference between being dependent on the support of the LibDems, who have been serious and responsible, and being dependent on a party which wants to break up the union and, whilst it's waiting to do that, wants to extract as much loot from England as possible.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012
    isam said:

    Cameron won that easily, but I find it a bit intellectually dishonest for the prime minister of a coaltion to be taunting the opposition for them possibly being in a future coalition because 'they can't win on their own'

    Its politically astute though.
    How intellectually dishonest is it for Farage to say we can repeal the race relations act? How much of a liar is he to say UKIP are colour blind.
  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    chestnut said:

    Chuka in distress.

    think I prefer Charlotte in that dress...
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672

    Dave will be asked again and again, and again and again he will seek to blame the LibDems. But he will be asked again and again, and that is the point. Labour needs to motivate its vote. On NI, the Tories promised to reverse the 1% employee rise introduced by Brown. When they took power they didn't.

    It's not a question of 'blaming' the LibDems. It was a budget agreed by both parties after negotiations. That doesn't mean that a budget introduced by either of the two parties alone would have been identical. In particular, the LibDems would no doubt have pushed for the higher income-tax allowances and for changes in spending plans. As a result the difference had to be made up elsewhere.

    I'm baffled as to why you are having trouble comprehending this. It's simple enough, surely.

    Indeed - the Tories agreed to put up VAT having said that they wouldn't.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,947
    Roger said:

    watcher

    A nice lunch in Quo Vadis will lift your spirits.


    Thanks! A man after my own heart.

    Also Ralph Fiennes fav.....

  • JonathanDJonathanD Posts: 2,400
    chestnut said:

    Chuka in distress.


    From the BBC feed - is it right for Labour to say they didn't go into politics to tax people?

    "Shadow business secretary Chuka Umunna is under pressure on the Daily Politics to categorically rule out raising national insurance contributions. "It is not our policy to increase national insurance… we haven't gone into politics to tax people. What we want to do is reduce people's taxes," he replies - without categorically ruling it out."
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,972
    edited March 2015
    Pulpstar said:

    Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.

    I think Ed will be ruling out a NI tax increase very shortly, if he doesn't, then the Tory attack lines really kick up a notch.
    £150k rate of tax up to 50p is Labour's plan isn't it ?
    I think so.

    I read somewhere on the reasons why the Tories went along with the big increases on the personal allowance, as it made the national insurance contributions look even larger on the average payslip.

    So they could use this line of attack in 2015.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Regarding stockmarket I hope we remember the way it crashed in disappointment after Scotland failed to gain its independence.
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.

    I think Ed will be ruling out a NI tax increase very shortly, if he doesn't, then the Tory attack lines really kick up a notch.
    I doubt if they can afford to rule out an NI increase.
    Labour cannot afford anything in their spending plans. I'm sure an employers NI increase - a tax on jobs - is a nailed on certainty if Labour win.
  • Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.

    Think we really got going today
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    I'd kidnap his Quiz Show character purely for intellectual reasons...

    Roger said:

    watcher

    A nice lunch in Quo Vadis will lift your spirits.


    Thanks! A man after my own heart.

    Also Ralph Fiennes fav.....

  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Roger said:

    So tedious. I don't know how anyone can bear to come on here and just listen to Tory/Labour cheering. You don't even get to see the match. Does anyone seriously enjoy reading these whooping posts?

    A nice lunch in Quo Vadis will lift your spirits. They've got some excellent rum in the bar upstairs, if you fancy a good drink afterwards. Pricey, mind.
    Alex recommends pink champagne. Labour supporters had better get used to taking his advice.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135
    Mike's bar chart omits Monday's Populus, which gives Labour a lead!

    Populus is the Gold Standard :lol:
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    isam said:

    Cameron won that easily, but I find it a bit intellectually dishonest for the prime minister of a coaltion to be taunting the opposition for them possibly being in a future coalition because 'they can't win on their own'

    Its politically astute though.
    How intellectually dishonest is it for Farage to say we can repeal the race relations act? How much of a liar is he to say UKIP are colour blind.
    Dear lord you are obsessed with Ukip ting tong

    It isn't intellectually dishonest for farage to say that can be repealed and he isn't a liar to say Ukip are colour blind
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    JEO said:

    After performances from David Cameron like that, you have to wonder whether it was a mistake to avoid a one on one debate with Ed Miliband.

    But then the risk is that Ed gets the "aw, bless...." sympathy vote from all those traumatised maternal instincts....
    Thats right.. Even I get upset when I stand on a snail.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135
    edited March 2015
    Part-ELBOW for the first FIVE polls this week (Populus, Ashcroft, ComRes and two YG) gives Labour a 0.5% lead, which is what they had for week-ending 22nd March.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 43,485
    RodCrosby said:
    An interesting theory - PPrune is both excellent and infuriating in these sort of developing stories - there's a heck of a great deal of chaff, but also an occasional superb head of wheat.

    If it is something like this, then it may be like the BA5320 flight, when a pilot nearly died after being sucked out of a failed window - only quick thinking by a steward saved him. ISTR it was also difficult for them to make radio mayday calls die to the wind noise.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_5390

    ( I know I have sucked, head and wind in this comment. Any smuttiness is purely in the mind of the reader).
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    edited March 2015

    isam said:

    Cameron won that easily, but I find it a bit intellectually dishonest for the prime minister of a coaltion to be taunting the opposition for them possibly being in a future coalition because 'they can't win on their own'

    There's a big difference between being dependent on the support of the LibDems, who have been serious and responsible, and being dependent on a party which wants to break up the union and, whilst it's waiting to do that, wants to extract as much loot from England as possible.
    The thrust of his point was 'they can't win in their own'

    Neither could he. Poor from Cameron there
  • Part-ELBOW for the first FIVE polls this week (Populus, Ashcroft, ComRes and two YG) gives Labour a 0.5% lead, which is what they had for week-ending 22nd March.

    But that doesn't include the mega YouGov?
  • notmenotme Posts: 3,293

    So Dave rules out a VAT rise just as he did before the last election. Clearly, that kills the issue stone dead.

    He didnt rule it out, he just said he had no intentions. Ruling it out is very different.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Pulpstar said:

    Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.

    I think Ed will be ruling out a NI tax increase very shortly, if he doesn't, then the Tory attack lines really kick up a notch.
    £150k rate of tax up to 50p is Labour's plan isn't it ?
    I think so.

    I read somewhere on the reasons why the Tories went along with the big increases on the personal allowance, as it made the national insurance contributions look even larger on the average payslip.

    So they could use this line of attack in 2015.
    I've always found it slightly flabbergasting the way the rate of Employee NI gets cut from 12% to 2% when you move to the 40% income tax rate. It effectively means you only have a marginal 10% tax rise rather than 20% on your higher earnings.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    What was Mr Danzuch [sp] thinking of getting a PMQ slot after his recent comments?

    Does he want to kill off EdM?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,947
    JonathanD said:

    chestnut said:

    Chuka in distress.


    From the BBC feed - is it right for Labour to say they didn't go into politics to tax people?

    " we haven't gone into politics to tax people."
    Well he may have joined the wrong party then!

  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,300
    Plato said:

    What was Mr Danzuch [sp] thinking of getting a PMQ slot after his recent comments?

    Does he want to kill off EdM?

    Ed was doing a very good job without external help.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,688

    isam said:

    Cameron won that easily, but I find it a bit intellectually dishonest for the prime minister of a coaltion to be taunting the opposition for them possibly being in a future coalition because 'they can't win on their own'

    Its politically astute though.
    How intellectually dishonest is it for Farage to say we can repeal the race relations act? How much of a liar is he to say UKIP are colour blind.
    As a party they are completely colour blind. Just as I would hope the Tories and Labour are.

    All three parties (as well as the Lib Dems) contain small numbers of racists and homophobes. The important point is that they do not remain part of the party structure when the are exposed.

    How is Ken Gregory by the way? Still happily serving as a Tory councillor in Thanet?
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    @isam

    Thanks for those links on sadiq khan you posted the other night,a very dangerous individual if he became leader of anything.

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135
    Plato said:

    What was Mr Danzuch [sp] thinking of getting a PMQ slot after his recent comments?

    Does he want to kill off EdM?

    Danczuk!
  • currystarcurrystar Posts: 1,171
    Some real word Construction info.

    I would say now that the Construction Industry in the South of England is busier than at any point ever. It is really quite amazing the amount of work there is about. Wages are rising very quickly.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135

    Part-ELBOW for the first FIVE polls this week (Populus, Ashcroft, ComRes and two YG) gives Labour a 0.5% lead, which is what they had for week-ending 22nd March.

    But that doesn't include the mega YouGov?
    Has it been de-embargoed??
  • RodCrosbyRodCrosby Posts: 7,737

    RodCrosby said:
    An interesting theory - PPrune is both excellent and infuriating in these sort of developing stories - there's a heck of a great deal of chaff, but also an occasional superb head of wheat.

    If it is something like this, then it may be like the BA5320 flight, when a pilot nearly died after being sucked out of a failed window - only quick thinking by a steward saved him. ISTR it was also difficult for them to make radio mayday calls die to the wind noise.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_5390

    ( I know I have sucked, head and wind in this comment. Any smuttiness is purely in the mind of the reader).
    Sounds like the oxygen system then failed. Has happened before...
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airways_Flight_522
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Does anyone have a running total of the # of MPs standing down and the likely number to be unseated by party?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Ah runners on the green - Dubai World Cup & London marathon this weekend must be.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,064

    Dave will be asked again and again, and again and again he will seek to blame the LibDems. But he will be asked again and again, and that is the point. Labour needs to motivate its vote. On NI, the Tories promised to reverse the 1% employee rise introduced by Brown. When they took power they didn't.

    It's not a question of 'blaming' the LibDems. It was a budget agreed by both parties after negotiations. That doesn't mean that a budget introduced by either of the two parties alone would have been identical. In particular, the LibDems would no doubt have pushed for the higher income-tax allowances and for changes in spending plans. As a result the difference had to be made up elsewhere.

    I'm baffled as to why you are having trouble comprehending this. It's simple enough, surely.

    Indeed - the Tories agreed to put up VAT having said that they wouldn't.
    No, Labour's £137bn deficit forced the coalition government to raise taxes.
  • Part-ELBOW for the first FIVE polls this week (Populus, Ashcroft, ComRes and two YG) gives Labour a 0.5% lead, which is what they had for week-ending 22nd March.

    But that doesn't include the mega YouGov?
    Has it been de-embargoed??
    Yes
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,780
    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.

    I think Ed will be ruling out a NI tax increase very shortly, if he doesn't, then the Tory attack lines really kick up a notch.
    £150k rate of tax up to 50p is Labour's plan isn't it ?
    I think so.

    I read somewhere on the reasons why the Tories went along with the big increases on the personal allowance, as it made the national insurance contributions look even larger on the average payslip.

    So they could use this line of attack in 2015.
    I've always found it slightly flabbergasting the way the rate of Employee NI gets cut from 12% to 2% when you move to the 40% income tax rate. It effectively means you only have a marginal 10% tax rise rather than 20% on your higher earnings.
    Thats becuase it's historically linked in with making a contribution to your pension entitlement. You're pension is capped, so your NI is too (at least in principle). It was Brown which brought in the continuation of NI which was effectively a penny on higher rate tax.

    Remember, it's not a tax (TM).

    Employers NI doesn't get capped of course.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135

    Part-ELBOW for the first FIVE polls this week (Populus, Ashcroft, ComRes and two YG) gives Labour a 0.5% lead, which is what they had for week-ending 22nd March.

    But that doesn't include the mega YouGov?
    Has it been de-embargoed??
    Yes
    Oh I thought you emailed me 'cos it was embargoed! OK, I stick into my ELBOW asap!
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Three points on PMQ's:

    1) Miliband asking for a direct answer, getting one, and then saying 'I don't believe you', is incredibly weak. In fact, pathetically so.

    2) Cameron was wrong about Crossrail: the bill passed under Labour, as did the contracts for the initial enabling works. The coalition did award all the other major contracts and spend most of the money; then again, the way it is funded meant that, once the ground was broken, it would have been a very hard project to cancel.

    3) It was boring enough to send my son to sleep. Could letting a nine-month old watch PMQ's be seen as some form of cruel and unusual punishment? :-)

    Labour also left the 2 giant aircraft carriers without catapults for the Tories to finish.

    I hope your son did not cr@p in his pants on you like Miliband seems to have done on his party..
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    Didn't watch PMQs but having just checkd the reaction on the BBC it seems Cameron did his usual thing of not bothering to anwser the questions put to him. On a different note I see the reaction on here from Tories was that it was yet another stellar peformance by Dave and I'll give you this, he's good at tub thumping and boosting morale on his own side. But succeeding in politics involves persuading the waverers not simply preaching to the converted. Dave seems to have a 35% strategy, he just doesn't realise it.
  • Part-ELBOW for the first FIVE polls this week (Populus, Ashcroft, ComRes and two YG) gives Labour a 0.5% lead, which is what they had for week-ending 22nd March.

    But that doesn't include the mega YouGov?
    Has it been de-embargoed??
    Yes
    Oh I thought you emailed me 'cos it was embargoed! OK, I stick into my ELBOW asap!
    I sent it, because I didn't want you to miss it.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,780

    . Dave seems to have a 35% strategy, he just doesn't realise it.

    whereas Ed does have a 35% strategy, and he's failing at it....
  • Didn't watch PMQs but having just checkd the reaction on the BBC it seems Cameron did his usual thing of not bothering to anwser the questions put to him. On a different note I see the reaction on here from Tories was that it was yet another stellar peformance by Dave and I'll give you this, he's good at tub thumping and boosting morale on his own side. But succeeding in politics involves persuading the waverers not simply preaching to the converted. Dave seems to have a 35% strategy, he just doesn't realise it.

    Err no, Dave did answer the question, which tripped Ed up.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,533

    Didn't watch PMQs but having just checkd the reaction on the BBC it seems Cameron did his usual thing of not bothering to anwser the questions put to him.

    https://vine.co/v/O3O02IAMPzK

    Nope...not answering the question there.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @jameschappers: Labour says it will continue with Tory VAT bombshell posters even though Cameron has just categorically ruled out a rise #pmqs
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,415
    Watching without sound it looks to me judging by body language that Danczuk passed Dave the ball to stick into an open net.

    I'm guessing he got some of his lines about Ed in the reply ?
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118

    @isam

    Thanks for those links on sadiq khan you posted the other night,a very dangerous individual if he became leader of anything.

    Not a problem... Yes would make London a horrible place if we elect politicians that want policies to favour one race over another

    I'm hoping to question David Lammy on this later at the Matt Forde political pundit show
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    What a weird line of questioning by Ed. Asking a straight question and then saying "ah but nobody believes you so nahnahnahnahnah, here's another question that nobody will believe your answer to..."

  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362

    Didn't watch PMQs but having just checkd the reaction on the BBC it seems Cameron did his usual thing of not bothering to anwser the questions put to him. On a different note I see the reaction on here from Tories was that it was yet another stellar peformance by Dave and I'll give you this, he's good at tub thumping and boosting morale on his own side. But succeeding in politics involves persuading the waverers not simply preaching to the converted. Dave seems to have a 35% strategy, he just doesn't realise it.

    I'm not a tory,I've posted on here when Ed as had a good PMQ's,just reporting how I saw it.

  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,928
    So Cameron was only asked one question in half an hour was he? How strange.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,672
    MaxPB said:

    Dave will be asked again and again, and again and again he will seek to blame the LibDems. But he will be asked again and again, and that is the point. Labour needs to motivate its vote. On NI, the Tories promised to reverse the 1% employee rise introduced by Brown. When they took power they didn't.

    It's not a question of 'blaming' the LibDems. It was a budget agreed by both parties after negotiations. That doesn't mean that a budget introduced by either of the two parties alone would have been identical. In particular, the LibDems would no doubt have pushed for the higher income-tax allowances and for changes in spending plans. As a result the difference had to be made up elsewhere.

    I'm baffled as to why you are having trouble comprehending this. It's simple enough, surely.

    Indeed - the Tories agreed to put up VAT having said that they wouldn't.
    No, Labour's £137bn deficit forced the coalition government to raise taxes.

    Yes, they can try that too.

  • Pulpstar said:

    Watching without sound it looks to me judging by body language that Danczuk passed Dave the ball to stick into an open net.

    I'm guessing he got some of his lines about Ed in the reply ?

    Yup, he asked about immigration as well.

    If a bookie had a market on him defecting to UKIP in the next 18 months, I'd be backing that to the hilt.
  • VerulamiusVerulamius Posts: 1,550
    Is the mega YouGov a separate poll from the daily YouGovs or just their amalgamation?
  • weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820

    JonathanD said:

    chestnut said:

    Chuka in distress.


    From the BBC feed - is it right for Labour to say they didn't go into politics to tax people?

    " we haven't gone into politics to tax people."
    Well he may have joined the wrong party then!

    If he isn't going to tax people he only has two real options.

    1) Tax corporations - which will go down like a lead balloon when people realise it's really a tax on their pensions.

    2) Cuts worse than Thatcher.

    Which one(s) will it be?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135
    edited March 2015

    Part-ELBOW for the first FIVE polls this week (Populus, Ashcroft, ComRes and two YG) gives Labour a 0.5% lead, which is what they had for week-ending 22nd March.

    But that doesn't include the mega YouGov?
    Has it been de-embargoed??
    Yes
    Oh I thought you emailed me 'cos it was embargoed! OK, I stick into my ELBOW asap!
    I sent it, because I didn't want you to miss it.
    OK thanks! Chronologically with regard to fieldwork, however, it would fit in between ComRes and Monday's YG, breaking the "four in a row tied polls" meme!

    I've already posted it to Wikipedia!
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Yup
    Pulpstar said:

    Watching without sound it looks to me judging by body language that Danczuk passed Dave the ball to stick into an open net.

    I'm guessing he got some of his lines about Ed in the reply ?

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,947
    weejonnie said:

    JonathanD said:

    chestnut said:

    Chuka in distress.


    From the BBC feed - is it right for Labour to say they didn't go into politics to tax people?

    " we haven't gone into politics to tax people."
    Well he may have joined the wrong party then!

    If he isn't going to tax people he only has two real options.

    1) Tax corporations - which will go down like a lead balloon when people realise it's really a tax on their pensions.

    2) Cuts worse than Thatcher.

    Which one(s) will it be?
    Given Labour's previous track record - both.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    And desperate.

    It was an inept version of When Did You Stop Beating Your Wife.

    What a weird line of questioning by Ed. Asking a straight question and then saying "ah but nobody believes you so nahnahnahnahnah, here's another question that nobody will believe your answer to..."

  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,135

    Is the mega YouGov a separate poll from the daily YouGovs or just their amalgamation?

    Separate, fieldwork 18th to 23rd.
  • I'm a little surprised that almost everyone is ruling out a majority government.

    We only require a swing of around 3-4% Lab to Con for a majority CON and majority LAB is probably within MOE of most polls.

    With almost 50% of respondents recently declaring that they might change their voting intention between now and the general election, there is still lots up for grabs.

    I still think most of the potential upside is with the tories (better funded campaign, inherent understating in the polls, softish UKIP vote) however it would not take much of an event against them to swing it to labour.

    FWIW, I don't think there will be an overall majority for either tories or labour, but if forced to make a prediction would go tories most votes (by slightly more than polls are showing at present) and tories most seats (probably 20 more than labour at least.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    James Chapman (Mail) ‏@jameschappers 7m7 minutes ago
    Labour says it will continue with Tory VAT bombshell posters even though Cameron has just categorically ruled out a rise #pmqs
  • FlightpathFlightpath Posts: 4,012

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.

    I think Ed will be ruling out a NI tax increase very shortly, if he doesn't, then the Tory attack lines really kick up a notch.
    £150k rate of tax up to 50p is Labour's plan isn't it ?
    I think so.

    I read somewhere on the reasons why the Tories went along with the big increases on the personal allowance, as it made the national insurance contributions look even larger on the average payslip.

    So they could use this line of attack in 2015.
    I've always found it slightly flabbergasting the way the rate of Employee NI gets cut from 12% to 2% when you move to the 40% income tax rate. It effectively means you only have a marginal 10% tax rise rather than 20% on your higher earnings.
    Thats becuase it's historically linked in with making a contribution to your pension entitlement. You're pension is capped, so your NI is too (at least in principle). It was Brown which brought in the continuation of NI which was effectively a penny on higher rate tax.

    Remember, it's not a tax (TM).

    Employers NI doesn't get capped of course.
    You make a good point to remind people about that. That's why I think its wrong to merge NI and tax no matter how alluringly logical it might seem. It removes all together the contributory principle that should underpin welfare.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Guardian live blog
    My PMQs Verdict: Well, that was worth the hype. Normally exchanges at PMQs are heated, but relatively inconsequential. But today we got a proper announcement - a surprise fiscal statement, with a significant implications for a potential Conservative government - and David Cameron deployed it with perfect timing. It is rare to see a PMQs ambush executed with more aplomb.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Is Mr Galloway standing again?

    Didn't watch PMQs but having just checkd the reaction on the BBC it seems Cameron did his usual thing of not bothering to anwser the questions put to him. On a different note I see the reaction on here from Tories was that it was yet another stellar peformance by Dave and I'll give you this, he's good at tub thumping and boosting morale on his own side. But succeeding in politics involves persuading the waverers not simply preaching to the converted. Dave seems to have a 35% strategy, he just doesn't realise it.

    I'm not a tory,I've posted on here when Ed as had a good PMQ's,just reporting how I saw it.

  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Sounds bleak for Ed. But I predict that no voters will care and the polls will be unmoved until we really get going.

    I think Ed will be ruling out a NI tax increase very shortly, if he doesn't, then the Tory attack lines really kick up a notch.
    £150k rate of tax up to 50p is Labour's plan isn't it ?
    I think so.

    I read somewhere on the reasons why the Tories went along with the big increases on the personal allowance, as it made the national insurance contributions look even larger on the average payslip.

    So they could use this line of attack in 2015.
    I've always found it slightly flabbergasting the way the rate of Employee NI gets cut from 12% to 2% when you move to the 40% income tax rate. It effectively means you only have a marginal 10% tax rise rather than 20% on your higher earnings.

    That's a feature, not a bug.
  • DaemonBarberDaemonBarber Posts: 1,626
    TGOHF said:

    James Chapman (Mail) ‏@jameschappers 7m7 minutes ago
    Labour says it will continue with Tory VAT bombshell posters even though Cameron has just categorically ruled out a rise #pmqs

    So continuing with their nobody-believes-the-tories meme...
    Are they really wanting to reduce the turnout to absolute minimum levels? Surely only the Tories will benefit from that course of action?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,947
    TGOHF said:

    James Chapman (Mail) ‏@jameschappers 7m7 minutes ago
    Labour says it will continue with Tory VAT bombshell posters even though Cameron has just categorically ruled out a rise #pmqs

    1. they will have paid the printers.

    2. they have nothing else to say instead.

    3. Labour is very much at ease with itself when it comes to lying. From dodgy dossiers to dodgy posters is hardly a leap....
  • isamisam Posts: 41,118
    @tgohf posts link to labour vat bombshell posters even though someone else has already done so #oldnews
  • TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Plato said:

    Is Mr Galloway standing again?

    Didn't watch PMQs but having just checkd the reaction on the BBC it seems Cameron did his usual thing of not bothering to anwser the questions put to him. On a different note I see the reaction on here from Tories was that it was yet another stellar peformance by Dave and I'll give you this, he's good at tub thumping and boosting morale on his own side. But succeeding in politics involves persuading the waverers not simply preaching to the converted. Dave seems to have a 35% strategy, he just doesn't realise it.

    I'm not a tory,I've posted on here when Ed as had a good PMQ's,just reporting how I saw it.

    Indeed he is plato,but how can you not vote for this Guy.

    http://www.ukip-bradford.org.uk/tags/bradford_west
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited March 2015
    Alex Salmond's Poodle was a killer line.

    I rather like Mr Pound, but he set up another one-liner there re SNP

    EDIT I also loved the Richard III line - there's a great headline in the Times yesterday re his funeral "A hearse, a hearse" LOL
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Will the tories "Jobs Tax Bombshell" poster be released before or after their "Ed as Salmond's poodle" cartoon?

    Could go either way
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