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Cons ahead in the mega YouGov poll
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Ed Miliband would give his right bollock to become the next Ramsey MacDonald.foxinsoxuk said:
Either of the other two options is a better bet. This is not going to be a National govt like 1932, and no Labour frontbencher wants to be Ramsey MacDonald.PeterC said:
That is a reasonable point of view. But the choice will be between:Boab said:This is just about the dumbest thing I've ever read on here.
A Grand Coalition is Alex Salmond and the SNP's dream scenario.
The remaining Labour voters in Scotland would join the exodus from their party, that teamed up with the hated Tories.
Alex Salmond could position himself as 'Leader of the Opposistion' grilling David Cameron (or another Tory replacement) whilst the Labour leader sat sheepishly by his side.
And finally axing the Barnett Formula would see support for independence skyrocket.
Of course, none of this will happen, as nobody is that stupid.MarqueeMark said:A Grand Coalition is worth considering just for the look on Alex Salmond's face....
That would be his fish well and truly smoked. First agenda item at the first Grand Coalition Cabinet Meeting: axing the Barnett formula as it applies to Scotland...
unstable minority government lacking authority or genuine mandate;
second election;
grand coalition.
Which is the least worst?0 -
If you had a camera pointed at you everytime you were out of your own house there would be plenty of photos that could be published of you with a weird look on your face. Not all voluntary, see microexpressions https://travismagazine.wordpress.com/2010/08/15/microexpressions-unmasking-the-face/MarqueeMark said:
They really need to be photos of politicians BEFORE the voters gave them their votes. It is easy enough to look a prat once you have the keys to the White House....OblitusSumMe said:
I was going to argue that looking silly in the occasional photo did not seem to be correlated with electoral success, but then the only embarrassing photo I could find that even approached the awfulness of those Miliband photos was this one of Al Gore, which, um, would make the opposite point (I was actually searching for silly photos involving Merkel when that one came up).MarqueeMark said:
But look at those pictures. Then imagine him as our Prime Minister, tasked with going to Moscow to negotiate the gas to Europe being turned back on.isam said:
SadTheScreamingEagles said:Superb trolling from CCHQ
https://twitter.com/CCHQPress/status/580653929647718400
The equivalent of Tim going on about Cameron's bald patch
How must teenagers with hang ups on their appearance feel when they see the government ridiculing opponents for how they look?
Like it or not, looking the part is part of the job spec.
Perhaps someone else would be able to find silly photos of successful leading politicians?
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/g20-brisbane-summit-that-awkward-moment-when-world-leaders-meet-funny-photos-1474875
The point is that some get published some don't, possibly correlated with the News organisation's political standpoint.0 -
@TSEofPB: Times/YouGov poll with a sample size of 8,271 has Con 34, Lab 33, LD 8, UKIP 14, Grn 5. Lots of details in this poll https://t.co/JaHmu75IbJ0
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I am surprised people on here are not making more of an issue of the SNP saying they will block every bill from a Tory government. That effectively means that a Conservative minority government will only happen if Labour decide to allow it. In my humble view, this reduces the chance of David Cameron staying on as PM substantially. Assuming a hung parliment, power will now entirely be in Labour's hands. Given an SNP-Labour coalition has been ruled out, they will need to decide between:
1) Forming their own minority government
2) Allowing a Conservative minority government
3) Forming a grand coalition
Option 1 would require the consent of the SNP and would mean the SNP would have them over a barrel to negotiate terms. Option 2 would be deeply opposed by Ed Miliband as he is very left-wing and would be very opposed to a more right-wing government than the coalition. They'd get constant flack from allowing it to happen from their base when they could have "just done a deal with the SNP". Option 3 would likely mean the Tories being very conciliatory, as they know the only other option is the SNP trying to destroy the union from government.
So it ultimately means a very tough deal from the SNP (and a tiny government majority) or a very good deal from the Tories (and a huge government majority). I think Option 3 is far more likely than people give it credit for. It would also mean Alex Salmond as Leader of the Opposition.0 -
Lolz. It was a terrible deal as were all the bank bailouts.Smarmeron said:@TheScreamingEagles
So, you are saying "Gordo" struck a brilliant deal for the general public, in the same way the DTI struck one with Lloyds?
Strange? I thought you blue boys reckoned he was an idiot?
Make your mind up?
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Quite.TGOHF said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11493741/Will-Alex-Salmond-ever-shut-up.html
"The man who lost the referendum on Scottish independence is swanning around like he owns the Union"
"I cannot account for whatever is going on inside that great big head of a gifted man who used to have a greater grasp of reality. Perhaps it is denial, or addiction to attention, or excitement about his return to the Commons (a place he loves). Whatever it is, he is behaving as though Nicola Sturgeon is still his deputy and he didn't resign."0 -
That's pretty committal, Franky.antifrank said:On topic, it seems tolerably clear that the two main parties are tied right now. If you can't draw that conclusion after four ties in a row, when can you?
Will you be announcing later whether you think water might be wet?0 -
Rod Crosby seems to be a lot quieter on the prediction front as April approaches.0
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Interesting. The combined scores for the over 40's voters (40-59 added to 60+) are 74 to the Tories, 63 to Labour. That looks to me like Labour are stuffed in the age groups that predominantly vote....TheScreamingEagles said:Cons ahead in the mega YouGov poll
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/wwqytvw1lq/YG-Archive-150325-TheTimes.pdf
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Angus Robertson.JEO said:I am surprised people on here are not making more of an issue of the SNP saying they will block every bill from a Tory government. That effectively means that a Conservative minority government will only happen if Labour decide to allow it. In my humble view, this reduces the chance of David Cameron staying on as PM substantially. Assuming a hung parliment, power will now entirely be in Labour's hands. Given an SNP-Labour coalition has been ruled out, they will need to decide between:
1) Forming their own minority government
2) Allowing a Conservative minority government
3) Forming a grand coalition
Option 1 would require the consent of the SNP and would mean the SNP would have them over a barrel to negotiate terms. Option 2 would be deeply opposed by Ed Miliband as he is very left-wing and would be very opposed to a more right-wing government than the coalition. They'd get constant flack from allowing it to happen from their base when they could have "just done a deal with the SNP". Option 3 would likely mean the Tories being very conciliatory, as they know the only other option is the SNP trying to destroy the union from government.
So it ultimately means a very tough deal from the SNP (and a tiny government majority) or a very good deal from the Tories (and a huge government majority). I think Option 3 is far more likely than people give it credit for. It would also mean Alex Salmond as Leader of the Opposition.0 -
@TheScreamingEagles
In the same way we bailed out all the other private companies.
The "markets" have a special form of social security. We pay for their mistakes.0 -
Pulpstar,
Once Alex Salmond wins his seat, I think it is very likely he will replace Angus Robertson as parliamentary leader.0 -
Would it be bad form to suggest Nigel Farage already has?Pulpstar said:
Ed Miliband would give his right bollock to become the next Ramsey MacDonald.foxinsoxuk said:
Either of the other two options is a better bet. This is not going to be a National govt like 1932, and no Labour frontbencher wants to be Ramsey MacDonald.PeterC said:
That is a reasonable point of view. But the choice will be between:Boab said:This is just about the dumbest thing I've ever read on here.
A Grand Coalition is Alex Salmond and the SNP's dream scenario.
The remaining Labour voters in Scotland would join the exodus from their party, that teamed up with the hated Tories.
Alex Salmond could position himself as 'Leader of the Opposistion' grilling David Cameron (or another Tory replacement) whilst the Labour leader sat sheepishly by his side.
And finally axing the Barnett Formula would see support for independence skyrocket.
Of course, none of this will happen, as nobody is that stupid.MarqueeMark said:A Grand Coalition is worth considering just for the look on Alex Salmond's face....
That would be his fish well and truly smoked. First agenda item at the first Grand Coalition Cabinet Meeting: axing the Barnett formula as it applies to Scotland...
unstable minority government lacking authority or genuine mandate;
second election;
grand coalition.
Which is the least worst?
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I note some speculation down thread that this will be the last Dave/Ed show at PMQ's
I think not. Whilst Ed will resign as Labour leader shortly after his May 7th defeat he will remain as LotO until UNITE decide on the next leader.
Meanwhile ....
I've been chatting at some length this morning with a trusted and previously most reliable source and that intel together with a few other confidential juicy snippets will move one of the "JackW Dozen" firmly when the new projection is published exclusively on PB at 9:00am on Saturday morning.
Teasingly placing PBers on high alert and gripping tenterhooks I know but it's the price you have to pay for having my mighty ARSE in the forefront of political discourse in OGH's mighty organ.0 -
You know me, no sitting on the fence here.Peter_the_Punter said:
That's pretty committal, Franky.antifrank said:On topic, it seems tolerably clear that the two main parties are tied right now. If you can't draw that conclusion after four ties in a row, when can you?
Will you be announcing later whether you think water might be wet?
But as for the water is wet pronouncement, well, that depends:
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So Kippers and Labour folk ended up thinking less of Dave after his three terms comment. I'm shocked.
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Option 1 would suit the Conservatives very nicely. They have no more interest in helping UKIP than Labour has in helping the SNP by forming a grand coalition.JEO said:I am surprised people on here are not making more of an issue of the SNP saying they will block every bill from a Tory government. That effectively means that a Conservative minority government will only happen if Labour decide to allow it. In my humble view, this reduces the chance of David Cameron staying on as PM substantially. Assuming a hung parliment, power will now entirely be in Labour's hands. Given an SNP-Labour coalition has been ruled out, they will need to decide between:
1) Forming their own minority government
2) Allowing a Conservative minority government
3) Forming a grand coalition
Option 1 would require the consent of the SNP and would mean the SNP would have them over a barrel to negotiate terms. Option 2 would be deeply opposed by Ed Miliband as he is very left-wing and would be very opposed to a more right-wing government than the coalition. They'd get constant flack from allowing it to happen from their base when they could have "just done a deal with the SNP". Option 3 would likely mean the Tories being very conciliatory, as they know the only other option is the SNP trying to destroy the union from government.
So it ultimately means a very tough deal from the SNP (and a tiny government majority) or a very good deal from the Tories (and a huge government majority). I think Option 3 is far more likely than people give it credit for. It would also mean Alex Salmond as Leader of the Opposition.
In practice, Labour would probably need to cobble something together with the Lib Dems as well as the SNP in order to get English-only votes through.0 -
Another day nearer, another day confirming Ed Miliband will become the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
We're like passengers on that ill-fated plane yesterday, on a collision course with a mountain and nothing appears likely to change our course or save us.
And the more the Tories and Salmond remind us what is going to happen, the more likely it seems that it will!0 -
Not good news for Ed Miliband. I suspect we will see a re-run of 1992.TheScreamingEagles said:Cons ahead in the mega YouGov poll
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/wwqytvw1lq/YG-Archive-150325-TheTimes.pdf0 -
Looking at those figures you start to wonder why anyone bothers paying newspaper pundits a wage.TheScreamingEagles said:So Kippers and Labour folk ended up thinking less of Dave after his three terms comment. I'm shocked.
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/bol7rkqx90/SunResults_150324_Cameron_Website.pdf0 -
Relax. OGH to the rescue of Labour hopesweejonnie said:Not good news for Ed Miliband. I suspect we will see a re-run of 1992.
@MSmithsonPB: ENGLAND ONLY data from ComRes/Mail phone poll has CON ahead by 3.7%. At GE10 CON 11.4% ahead in England
The Tories can't win here...0 -
I know, as I said, at work yesterday, among many several left wing colleagues, the discussion centred mostly on shredded wheat (and Ed Miliband won't be Prime Minister)antifrank said:
Looking at those figures you start to wonder why anyone bothers paying newspaper pundits a wage.TheScreamingEagles said:So Kippers and Labour folk ended up thinking less of Dave after his three terms comment. I'm shocked.
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/bol7rkqx90/SunResults_150324_Cameron_Website.pdf0 -
same thingis it not , its that toppish left bit of EnglandTheScreamingEagles said:
Wallace is a Lancastrian.Smarmeron said:@TheScreamingEagles
45 days till we find out if it is the Scottish or the Yorkshire one?0 -
Depends if you think taking the piss out of cancer patients is bad form or not I supposeMarqueeMark said:
Would it be bad form to suggest Nigel Farage already has?Pulpstar said:
Ed Miliband would give his right bollock to become the next Ramsey MacDonald.foxinsoxuk said:
Either of the other two options is a better bet. This is not going to be a National govt like 1932, and no Labour frontbencher wants to be Ramsey MacDonald.PeterC said:
That is a reasonable point of view. But the choice will be between:Boab said:This is just about the dumbest thing I've ever read on here.
A Grand Coalition is Alex Salmond and the SNP's dream scenario.
The remaining Labour voters in Scotland would join the exodus from their party, that teamed up with the hated Tories.
Alex Salmond could position himself as 'Leader of the Opposistion' grilling David Cameron (or another Tory replacement) whilst the Labour leader sat sheepishly by his side.
And finally axing the Barnett Formula would see support for independence skyrocket.
Of course, none of this will happen, as nobody is that stupid.MarqueeMark said:A Grand Coalition is worth considering just for the look on Alex Salmond's face....
That would be his fish well and truly smoked. First agenda item at the first Grand Coalition Cabinet Meeting: axing the Barnett formula as it applies to Scotland...
unstable minority government lacking authority or genuine mandate;
second election;
grand coalition.
Which is the least worst?0 -
Honestly, in the last day or so, I've mostly been reassuring
1) Labour supporters that Ed is likely to be PM in May
2) Lib Dem supporters it won't be that bad.0 -
Wars have started over less.malcolmg said:
same thingis it not , its that toppish left bit of EnglandTheScreamingEagles said:
Wallace is a Lancastrian.Smarmeron said:@TheScreamingEagles
45 days till we find out if it is the Scottish or the Yorkshire one?
Yorkshire is brilliant, Lancashire is not bad.0 -
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French may be in a position to reveal preliminary contents of the A320 CVR this afternoon...0
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http://www.itv.com/news/2015-03-25/ed-miliband-david-will-not-return-to-uk-to-stand-for-election/
When did Ed tell David he can't return from exile?0 -
WTF
JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT THINGS COULDN’T GET ANY WORSE FOR ENGLISH CRICKET…
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/just-when-you-thought-things-couldnt-get-any-worse-for-english-cricket/?CMP=spklr-Editorial-TWITTER-SunNation-20150325-SunNation-PostID0 -
It's all part of the fierce quest for total neutrality at all times.Scott_P said:
Relax. OGH to the rescue of Labour hopesweejonnie said:Not good news for Ed Miliband. I suspect we will see a re-run of 1992.
@MSmithsonPB: ENGLAND ONLY data from ComRes/Mail phone poll has CON ahead by 3.7%. At GE10 CON 11.4% ahead in England
The Tories can't win here...
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Mike holds a great affection for my ARSE and has been very close to it from the start but even his most favoured blandishments would fail to penetrate the inner workings of PB's greatest asset.Smarmeron said:@JackW
As long as it isn't OGH's organ in your ARSE?
There is not enough mind bleach in all of Scotland's distilleries to cope with that.
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I don't think your comments in the second paragraph are appropriate at allBob__Sykes said:Another day nearer, another day confirming Ed Miliband will become the next Prime Minister of the United Kingdom.
We're like passengers on that ill-fated plane yesterday, on a collision course with a mountain and nothing appears likely to change our course or save us.
And the more the Tories and Salmond remind us what is going to happen, the more likely it seems that it will!0 -
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"English Cricket Winning Here" .... if nowhere else.TheScreamingEagles said:WTF
JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT THINGS COULDN’T GET ANY WORSE FOR ENGLISH CRICKET…
http://www.sunnation.co.uk/just-when-you-thought-things-couldnt-get-any-worse-for-english-cricket/?CMP=spklr-Editorial-TWITTER-SunNation-20150325-SunNation-PostID
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The issue is surface tension and adhesion I believe. Soap helps; or so I try to assure Fox jr.SimonStClare said:0 -
Ordinarily, I wouldn't. But when people put their health information in the public domain to both sell their book and to run down the NHS, I get slightly less squeamish....isam said:
Depends if you think taking the piss out of cancer patients is bad form or not I supposeMarqueeMark said:
Would it be bad form to suggest Nigel Farage already has?Pulpstar said:
Ed Miliband would give his right bollock to become the next Ramsey MacDonald.foxinsoxuk said:
Either of the other two options is a better bet. This is not going to be a National govt like 1932, and no Labour frontbencher wants to be Ramsey MacDonald.PeterC said:
That is a reasonable point of view. But the choice will be between:Boab said:This is just about the dumbest thing I've ever read on here.
A Grand Coalition is Alex Salmond and the SNP's dream scenario.
The remaining Labour voters in Scotland would join the exodus from their party, that teamed up with the hated Tories.
Alex Salmond could position himself as 'Leader of the Opposistion' grilling David Cameron (or another Tory replacement) whilst the Labour leader sat sheepishly by his side.
And finally axing the Barnett Formula would see support for independence skyrocket.
Of course, none of this will happen, as nobody is that stupid.MarqueeMark said:A Grand Coalition is worth considering just for the look on Alex Salmond's face....
That would be his fish well and truly smoked. First agenda item at the first Grand Coalition Cabinet Meeting: axing the Barnett formula as it applies to Scotland...
unstable minority government lacking authority or genuine mandate;
second election;
grand coalition.
Which is the least worst?
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Correct. That is why "wetting agents" are often required, soap being a common examplefoxinsoxuk said:
The issue is surface tension and adhesion I believe.0 -
You could 'swim' in a tank of plastic balls without getting wetSimonStClare said:I’ll take your word for it – but if you can swim in it, then it’s 'very' wet imho.
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Would you have better or worse buoyancy in a pool of heavy water?foxinsoxuk said:
The issue is surface tension and adhesion I believe. Soap helps; or so I try to assure Fox jr.SimonStClare said:
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Sunday Times claimed at the weekend that they had it on good authority that David M was still keen to be PM and that he had some kind of 'break' clause in his contract in New York after 3 or 5 years (I can't recall which) after which he could consider a move back to UK.dr_spyn said:http://www.itv.com/news/2015-03-25/ed-miliband-david-will-not-return-to-uk-to-stand-for-election/
When did Ed tell David he can't return from exile?
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I am shocked, shocked that there is an article in the Telegraph where displeasure at Salmond is stated. Thanks for bringing this amazing revelation to our attention.TGOHF said:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11493741/Will-Alex-Salmond-ever-shut-up.html
"The man who lost the referendum on Scottish independence is swanning around like he owns the Union"
"I cannot account for whatever is going on inside that great big head of a gifted man who used to have a greater grasp of reality. Perhaps it is denial, or addiction to attention, or excitement about his return to the Commons (a place he loves). Whatever it is, he is behaving as though Nicola Sturgeon is still his deputy and he didn't resign."
What next? Mirror critical of David Cameron? Daily Mail not that keen on immigrants?
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Was Fox jnr in St. Albans yesterday.foxinsoxuk said:
The issue is surface tension and adhesion I believe. Soap helps; or so I try to assure Fox jr.SimonStClare said:
I passed a "student type" whose relationship with soap and water was clearly only of the most casual, brief and probably annual basis.
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I thought UNITE were planning to break with Labour if Ed doesn't win.JackW said:I note some speculation down thread that this will be the last Dave/Ed show at PMQ's
I think not. Whilst Ed will resign as Labour leader shortly after his May 7th defeat he will remain as LotO until UNITE decide on the next leader.
Meanwhile ....
I've been chatting at some length this morning with a trusted and previously most reliable source and that intel together with a few other confidential juicy snippets will move one of the "JackW Dozen" firmly when the new projection is published exclusively on PB at 9:00am on Saturday morning.
Teasingly placing PBers on high alert and gripping tenterhooks I know but it's the price you have to pay for having my mighty ARSE in the forefront of political discourse in OGH's mighty organ.0 -
@skymarkwhite: BREAKING - Top Gear presenter Jeremy Clarkson has been sacked by the BBC over his fracas with a producer0
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The people who did buy the risk made a shed load of money from their investment. Correctly priced, even toxic waste has value.Smarmeron said:@TheScreamingEagles
So where did the money come from to pay for all this "bad debt"? Did the City in an act of generosity buy the package?
Who would be stupid enough to buy billions in liabilities?0 -
@paulwaugh: Cam seen as 'arrogant', EdM + Clegg 'weak', Farage 'racist' - Gogglebox-style, Populus/MailOnline poll http://t.co/So6WqbImOs0
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One lead apiece, and four ties, for this week.TheScreamingEagles said:@TSEofPB: Times/YouGov poll with a sample size of 8,271 has Con 34, Lab 33, LD 8, UKIP 14, Grn 5. Lots of details in this poll https://t.co/JaHmu75IbJ
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As it is the final PMQs today, is this the point wher Nick Clegg symbolically stands up, crosses the floor of the house and sits down in his old spot just along from Dennis Skinner?
Then, one by one, the rest of the Lib Dems (except for David Laws) follow him across.0 -
SeanT incoming ....TheScreamingEagles said:@skymarkwhite: BREAKING - Top Gear presenter Jeremy Clarkson has been sacked by the BBC over his fracas with a producer
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... as P45s are showered from the gallery above.SandyRentool said:As it is the final PMQs today, is this the point wher Nick Clegg symbolically stands up, crosses the floor of the house and sits down in his old spot just along from Dennis Skinner?
Then, one by one, the rest of the Lib Dems (except for David Laws) follow him across.0 -
Am I blind or has that not been broken down by geography in the tables?TheScreamingEagles said:@TSEofPB: Times/YouGov poll with a sample size of 8,271 has Con 34, Lab 33, LD 8, UKIP 14, Grn 5. Lots of details in this poll https://t.co/JaHmu75IbJ
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Rank "arrogant", "weak", "racist" in terms of worst character for our PM to have.....Scott_P said:@paulwaugh: Cam seen as 'arrogant', EdM + Clegg 'weak', Farage 'racist' - Gogglebox-style, Populus/MailOnline poll http://t.co/So6WqbImOs
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Only pulling Mr P's leg - Pure H2O is electrically neutral so doesn’t stick or cling which is how we normally define ‘wetness’ - however, add some free charged hydroxyls and things become positively soggy.foxinsoxuk said:
The issue is surface tension and adhesion I believe. Soap helps; or so I try to assure Fox jr.SimonStClare said: 0 -
What .... and pass up the opportunity to elect and pull the strings of the next Labour leader. I should coco.rottenborough said:
I thought UNITE were planning to break with Labour if Ed doesn't win.JackW said:I note some speculation down thread that this will be the last Dave/Ed show at PMQ's
I think not. Whilst Ed will resign as Labour leader shortly after his May 7th defeat he will remain as LotO until UNITE decide on the next leader.
Meanwhile ....
I've been chatting at some length this morning with a trusted and previously most reliable source and that intel together with a few other confidential juicy snippets will move one of the "JackW Dozen" firmly when the new projection is published exclusively on PB at 9:00am on Saturday morning.
Teasingly placing PBers on high alert and gripping tenterhooks I know but it's the price you have to pay for having my mighty ARSE in the forefront of political discourse in OGH's mighty organ.
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Indeed !Alistair said:
Am I blind or has that not been broken down by geography in the tables?TheScreamingEagles said:@TSEofPB: Times/YouGov poll with a sample size of 8,271 has Con 34, Lab 33, LD 8, UKIP 14, Grn 5. Lots of details in this poll https://t.co/JaHmu75IbJ
Though unless there is a colossal Plaid surge it is OK for the SNP.0 -
Hilarious. UKIP of course in its deeply principled way rises above objecting to how people look.isam said:
I agree that unattractive politicians are at a disadvantage, rightly or wrongly. I've said the same as you re May. But I would be angry and disappointed at Ukip if they put out tweets/posters mocking her for her appearance, or pointing out her physical bad points... I would probably not vote for them if they did that in factMarqueeMark said:
Probably not. But I would just observe that in recent years the Tory party only seems to feel comfortable with those who are "middling". John Major - middling. Hague. IDS. Howard. All middling. Heseltine, Portillo? A bit too flash, a bit too full of themselves.isam said:
Doesn't say much for you reallyMarqueeMark said:
Well, you're wrong.isam said:
Sorry I disagree and I don't believe you would say the same if the roles were reversedMarqueeMark said:
But look at those pictures. Then imagine him as our Prime Minister, tasked with going to Moscow to negotiate the gas to Europe being turned back on.isam said:
SadTheScreamingEagles said:Superb trolling from CCHQ
https://twitter.com/CCHQPress/status/580653929647718400
The equivalent of Tim going on about Cameron's bald patch
How must teenagers with hang ups on their appearance feel when they see the government ridiculing opponents for how they look?
Like it or not, looking the part is part of the job spec.
I'd probably laugh myself silly at the collected "awkward" photos of Michael Gove, if he were put forward as the next PM....
Cameron was a bit risky, being an attractive, fresh-faced guy. But it was either him or a bloke who was in the SAS. The SAS is so not middling....
And just to show I am equally vacuous to the left and the right, I would say that Theresa May has no chance of leadership whilst ever she has those panda eyes. The Uncle Fester tribute act is not a good look when becoming party leader. Not middling enough. She's gonna need to take a break for a few weeks - and have a bit of work done....
"But I really do have a problem with people with negroid features."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31565770
Physician heal thyself.
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Flashy is someone who needs constant reassurance that the Pope is indeed a Catholic.Alistair said:
I am shocked, shocked that there is an article in the Telegraph where displeasure at Salmond is stated. Thanks for bringing this amazing revelation to our attention.TGOHF said:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11493741/Will-Alex-Salmond-ever-shut-up.html
"The man who lost the referendum on Scottish independence is swanning around like he owns the Union"
"I cannot account for whatever is going on inside that great big head of a gifted man who used to have a greater grasp of reality. Perhaps it is denial, or addiction to attention, or excitement about his return to the Commons (a place he loves). Whatever it is, he is behaving as though Nicola Sturgeon is still his deputy and he didn't resign."
What next? Mirror critical of David Cameron? Daily Mail not that keen on immigrants?0 -
Perhaps Ed's union backers will get him to ask questions about Cameron's support for a chap "bullied" an underling in the workplace ?JackW said:
SeanT incoming ....TheScreamingEagles said:@skymarkwhite: BREAKING - Top Gear presenter Jeremy Clarkson has been sacked by the BBC over his fracas with a producer
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You're not blind.Alistair said:
Am I blind or has that not been broken down by geography in the tables?TheScreamingEagles said:@TSEofPB: Times/YouGov poll with a sample size of 8,271 has Con 34, Lab 33, LD 8, UKIP 14, Grn 5. Lots of details in this poll https://t.co/JaHmu75IbJ
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Was that 'chap' a former senior politician who threw mobile telephones around his office, and smashed up keyboards?TGOHF said:
Perhaps Ed's union backers will get him to ask questions about Cameron's support for a chap "bullied" an underling in the workplace ?JackW said:
SeanT incoming ....TheScreamingEagles said:@skymarkwhite: BREAKING - Top Gear presenter Jeremy Clarkson has been sacked by the BBC over his fracas with a producer
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They all seem as popular as a cup of cold sick.MarqueeMark said:
Rank "arrogant", "weak", "racist" in terms of worst character for our PM to have.....Scott_P said:@paulwaugh: Cam seen as 'arrogant', EdM + Clegg 'weak', Farage 'racist' - Gogglebox-style, Populus/MailOnline poll http://t.co/So6WqbImOs
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Len McCluskey v Alex Salmond
The Royal Rumble to be Labour's chief puppet master.
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it would be political lunacy. They have a problem with not getting the credit of being in a coalition, to abandon it just before an election is not a way to improve the situation.SandyRentool said:As it is the final PMQs today, is this the point wher Nick Clegg symbolically stands up, crosses the floor of the house and sits down in his old spot just along from Dennis Skinner?
Then, one by one, the rest of the Lib Dems (except for David Laws) follow him across.0 -
I'd have thought breaking down by geography is the only point of a mega poll.Alistair said:
Am I blind or has that not been broken down by geography in the tables?TheScreamingEagles said:@TSEofPB: Times/YouGov poll with a sample size of 8,271 has Con 34, Lab 33, LD 8, UKIP 14, Grn 5. Lots of details in this poll https://t.co/JaHmu75IbJ
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Cameron is 1/2 to be prime minister after the general election, laying this is free money. There is no prospect of a Conservative majority, and even a hugely improbable Con/Lib/UKIP coalition will not command a majority. Given the way the cards are falling Miliband should be around 2/5 to be PM after the election so is currently massive value.0
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But so was Danny's Big Yellow Box. Wiser counsel didn't stop that clusterfcuk tho....notme said:
it would be political lunacy.SandyRentool said:As it is the final PMQs today, is this the point wher Nick Clegg symbolically stands up, crosses the floor of the house and sits down in his old spot just along from Dennis Skinner?
Then, one by one, the rest of the Lib Dems (except for David Laws) follow him across.
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Mr. Ross, welcome to pb.com.
'Free money' is overstating it, but the odds do look too short.0 -
My favourite result in that super-poll
Would you be delighted or dismayed with ...
A conservative majority government - 45 %
A labour majority government - 49 %
A con/LD coalition - 52 %
A con/lab coalition - 54 %
Everyone is unpopular, don't vote for them.
The will/will not questions later are also pretty grim reading. Nothing will get better, regardless of who is in power. Although 40 % of Labour voters aren't even convinced they'll do anything about the economy, which is absolutely spectacular stuff.
We're going to get the politics and government we deserve sooner rather than later. (god willing).
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From the Times article I think they were more interested in age and gender splitsSean_F said:
I'd have thought breaking down by geography is the only point of a mega poll.Alistair said:
Am I blind or has that not been broken down by geography in the tables?TheScreamingEagles said:@TSEofPB: Times/YouGov poll with a sample size of 8,271 has Con 34, Lab 33, LD 8, UKIP 14, Grn 5. Lots of details in this poll https://t.co/JaHmu75IbJ
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Guys, come on! This is a really dull argument about such a minor point!TheScreamingEagles said:
When it is close to dividend time shares are often sold ex dividend.Smarmeron said:@TheScreamingEagles
"They don't refuse it. They just aren't eligible to have the dividend. "
Lower class shares for the idiots? Do they get a vote on the company board?
You can get future dividends.
You really should stop talking about things you have no knowledge about.
All shares receive dividends. However, because it takes a couple of days to sort out the paperwork and process the payments there are two dates: the "record date" and the "payment date". They can be up to 5 business days apart (with the record date first, obviously).
If you are a "shareholder of record" on the "record date" you are eligble to receive the dividend paid on the "payment date". This is regardless of whether you still own the shares or not. Hence if you sell your shares after the "record date" but before the "payment date" they are referred to as "ex dividend" which means that the seller will retain the right to the previously declared dividend payment. The price is lower to compensate for this.
The vast majority of shares traded carry the right to receive all dividends (ie are cum dividend) and hence this term is rarely used except in specific situations (eg tender offers) where a buyer may choose to pay a higher face value but want to retain the dividend - no economic impact but can have a presentational benefit.
Simples.0 -
Interesting that one person described Nick Clegg as a 'slag'.
One of Clegg's scorned famous thirty perhaps?0 -
In 2001 the astronaut who goes through the Star Gate finds a glass of water in the place he ends up. He drinks it and it tastes disgusting, being apparently pure H2O. He concludes that whoever laid it on was taking no chances.SimonStClare said:
Only pulling Mr P's leg - Pure H2O is electrically neutral so doesn’t stick or cling which is how we normally define ‘wetness’ - however, add some free charged hydroxyls and things become positively soggy.foxinsoxuk said:
The issue is surface tension and adhesion I believe. Soap helps; or so I try to assure Fox jr.SimonStClare said:
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Labour minority in to 3.15/3.3 on Betfair.0
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Remind us of how many times over the last 5 years you and others have said that the coalition would not last a full 5 years . The Mary Poppins of political forecasting practically wrong in every way .SandyRentool said:As it is the final PMQs today, is this the point wher Nick Clegg symbolically stands up, crosses the floor of the house and sits down in his old spot just along from Dennis Skinner?
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Can you please not talk about Mike failing to penetrate your ARSE before the lagershed.JackW said:
Mike holds a great affection for my ARSE and has been very close to it from the start but even his most favoured blandishments would fail to penetrate the inner workings of PB's greatest asset.Smarmeron said:@JackW
As long as it isn't OGH's organ in your ARSE?
There is not enough mind bleach in all of Scotland's distilleries to cope with that.
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The Guardian use a wonderful photo of Jeremy Clarkson riding a bicycle to head their live blog on the news.TheScreamingEagles said:@skymarkwhite: BREAKING - Top Gear presenter Jeremy Clarkson has been sacked by the BBC over his fracas with a producer
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I'm very glad to see SNP/PC "5" though, SNP/PC "4" would have given me a heart attack on such a large poll !TheScreamingEagles said:
From the Times article I think they were more interested in age and gender splitsSean_F said:
I'd have thought breaking down by geography is the only point of a mega poll.Alistair said:
Am I blind or has that not been broken down by geography in the tables?TheScreamingEagles said:@TSEofPB: Times/YouGov poll with a sample size of 8,271 has Con 34, Lab 33, LD 8, UKIP 14, Grn 5. Lots of details in this poll https://t.co/JaHmu75IbJ
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...tighter than a duck's orifice.TheScreamingEagles said:@TSEofPB: Times/YouGov poll with a sample size of 8,271 has Con 34, Lab 33, LD 8, UKIP 14, Grn 5. Lots of details in this poll https://t.co/JaHmu75IbJ
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From that YouGov poll, the party leaders have the following top three attributes:
David Cameron: out of touch, smug, arrogant
Ed Miliband: out of his depth, weak, weird
Nick Clegg: out of his depth, weak, out of touch
Nigel Farage: arrogant, smug, stands up for Britain
Of the attributes offered for consideration,
David Cameron is most: out of touch, smug, doesn't listen, competent, up to the job, determined
Ed Miliband is most: principled, out of his depth, fair (joint), shares my values, weird, on my side
Nick Clegg is most: likeable, weak, fair (joint), indecisive
Nigel Farage is most: arrogant, stands up for Britain, dishonest, ruthless, down to earth0 -
So you judge people by their looks and take the piss out of cancer patientsMarqueeMark said:
Ordinarily, I wouldn't. But when people put their health information in the public domain to both sell their book and to run down the NHS, I get slightly less squeamish....isam said:
Depends if you think taking the piss out of cancer patients is bad form or not I supposeMarqueeMark said:
Would it be bad form to suggest Nigel Farage already has?Pulpstar said:
Ed Miliband would give his right bollock to become the next Ramsey MacDonald.foxinsoxuk said:
Either of the other two options is a better bet. This is not going to be a National govt like 1932, and no Labour frontbencher wants to be Ramsey MacDonald.PeterC said:
That is a reasonable point of view. But the choice will be between:Boab said:This is just about the dumbest thing I've ever read on here.
A Grand Coalition is Alex Salmond and the SNP's dream scenario.
The remaining Labour voters in Scotland would join the exodus from their party, that teamed up with the hated Tories.
Alex Salmond could position himself as 'Leader of the Opposistion' grilling David Cameron (or another Tory replacement) whilst the Labour leader sat sheepishly by his side.
And finally axing the Barnett Formula would see support for independence skyrocket.
Of course, none of this will happen, as nobody is that stupid.MarqueeMark said:A Grand Coalition is worth considering just for the look on Alex Salmond's face....
That would be his fish well and truly smoked. First agenda item at the first Grand Coalition Cabinet Meeting: axing the Barnett formula as it applies to Scotland...
unstable minority government lacking authority or genuine mandate;
second election;
grand coalition.
Which is the least worst?
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And the government formed off the back of such a result would be rougher than a badger's ring.BenM said:
...tighter than a duck's orifice.TheScreamingEagles said:@TSEofPB: Times/YouGov poll with a sample size of 8,271 has Con 34, Lab 33, LD 8, UKIP 14, Grn 5. Lots of details in this poll https://t.co/JaHmu75IbJ
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Alistair
I was told about this poll while down south (Liverpool) yesterday by a journalist contact. He said the sample was 6,00. In fact it was 8,000. He said that it was nip and tuck between Tory and Labour - it is a Tory lead of one! Finally he said that the SNP lead in Scotland was massive. However there is no sign of a breakdown in the tables!
Now the Times could be holding it back for a story as they are entitled to do. However this seems strange given that the regional breakdown must include a statistically valid Scottish sample. And if it doesn't then why wouldn't they just publish it as they do the tiny daily cross breaks.
On balance they must be planning to publish.Otheriwse there might be reputational risks for The Times/ Yougov.0 -
A no mark councillor who was sacked for saying it... While CCHQ use the same thought process in their campaignBond_James_Bond said:
Hilarious. UKIP of course in its deeply principled way rises above objecting to how people look.isam said:
I agree that unattractive politicians are at a disadvantage, rightly or wrongly. I've said the same as you re May. But I would be angry and disappointed at Ukip if they put out tweets/posters mocking her for her appearance, or pointing out her physical bad points... I would probably not vote for them if they did that in factMarqueeMark said:
Probably not. But I would just observe that in recent years the Tory party only seems to feel comfortable with those who are "middling". John Major - middling. Hague. IDS. Howard. All middling. Heseltine, Portillo? A bit too flash, a bit too full of themselves.isam said:
Doesn't say much for you reallyMarqueeMark said:
Well, you're wrong.isam said:
Sorry I disagree and I don't believe you would say the same if the roles were reversedMarqueeMark said:
But look at those pictures. Then imagine him as our Prime Minister, tasked with going to Moscow to negotiate the gas to Europe being turned back on.isam said:
SadTheScreamingEagles said:Superb trolling from CCHQ
https://twitter.com/CCHQPress/status/580653929647718400
The equivalent of Tim going on about Cameron's bald patch
How must teenagers with hang ups on their appearance feel when they see the government ridiculing opponents for how they look?
Like it or not, looking the part is part of the job spec.
I'd probably laugh myself silly at the collected "awkward" photos of Michael Gove, if he were put forward as the next PM....
Cameron was a bit risky, being an attractive, fresh-faced guy. But it was either him or a bloke who was in the SAS. The SAS is so not middling....
And just to show I am equally vacuous to the left and the right, I would say that Theresa May has no chance of leadership whilst ever she has those panda eyes. The Uncle Fester tribute act is not a good look when becoming party leader. Not middling enough. She's gonna need to take a break for a few weeks - and have a bit of work done....
"But I really do have a problem with people with negroid features."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31565770
Physician heal thyself.0 -
I'm trying to work out at what price I lay off my profit on this market. Not yet by some distance, anyway.Pulpstar said:Labour minority in to 3.15/3.3 on Betfair.
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It's OK when the Tories do it. You should know that by now.isam said:
A no mark councillor who was sacked for saying it... While CCHQ use the same thought process in their campaignBond_James_Bond said:
Hilarious. UKIP of course in its deeply principled way rises above objecting to how people look.isam said:
I agree that unattractive politicians are at a disadvantage, rightly or wrongly. I've said the same as you re May. But I would be angry and disappointed at Ukip if they put out tweets/posters mocking her for her appearance, or pointing out her physical bad points... I would probably not vote for them if they did that in factMarqueeMark said:
Probably not. But I would just observe that in recent years the Tory party only seems to feel comfortable with those who are "middling". John Major - middling. Hague. IDS. Howard. All middling. Heseltine, Portillo? A bit too flash, a bit too full of themselves.isam said:
Doesn't say much for you reallyMarqueeMark said:
Well, you're wrong.isam said:
Sorry I disagree and I don't believe you would say the same if the roles were reversedMarqueeMark said:
But look at those pictures. Then imagine him as our Prime Minister, tasked with going to Moscow to negotiate the gas to Europe being turned back on.isam said:
SadTheScreamingEagles said:Superb trolling from CCHQ
https://twitter.com/CCHQPress/status/580653929647718400
The equivalent of Tim going on about Cameron's bald patch
How must teenagers with hang ups on their appearance feel when they see the government ridiculing opponents for how they look?
Like it or not, looking the part is part of the job spec.
I'd probably laugh myself silly at the collected "awkward" photos of Michael Gove, if he were put forward as the next PM....
Cameron was a bit risky, being an attractive, fresh-faced guy. But it was either him or a bloke who was in the SAS. The SAS is so not middling....
And just to show I am equally vacuous to the left and the right, I would say that Theresa May has no chance of leadership whilst ever she has those panda eyes. The Uncle Fester tribute act is not a good look when becoming party leader. Not middling enough. She's gonna need to take a break for a few weeks - and have a bit of work done....
"But I really do have a problem with people with negroid features."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-31565770
Physician heal thyself.
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@Scotslass SNP/PC "5" indicates anywhere between 40 and 55% I think for SNP.0
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Me: Never forecast it. Others: Plenty. My duff forecast was Yes to win the IndyRef. I also forecast Newcastle to qualify for Europe last season, but let's just forget about that one.MarkSenior said:
Remind us of how many times over the last 5 years you and others have said that the coalition would not last a full 5 years . The Mary Poppins of political forecasting practically wrong in every way .SandyRentool said:As it is the final PMQs today, is this the point wher Nick Clegg symbolically stands up, crosses the floor of the house and sits down in his old spot just along from Dennis Skinner?
Then, one by one, the rest of the Lib Dems (except for David Laws) follow him across.0 -
I bring glad tidings....
The Samplemiser returns just in time!
http://sprout016.sprout.yale.edu/samplemiser/
Last time, it predicted the lead exactly (7.3%)0 -
You would float a little higher - heavy water (D2O) has a higher atomic mass than normal water (H2O) and a higher density so to displace your weight requires a lower volume.MarqueeMark said:
Would you have better or worse buoyancy in a pool of heavy water?foxinsoxuk said:
The issue is surface tension and adhesion I believe. Soap helps; or so I try to assure Fox jr.SimonStClare said:
Soap is a good wetting agent - but it is absolutely hopeless on hydrocarbons e.g. grease because the ch2-ch3 groups are not slightly charged. That is why you use detergents.0 -
Good job Ed doesn't do brewing.
Paul Waugh @paulwaugh 1m1 minute ago
Labour sent three chickens to Downing Street to get a pic with PM's car as he left for PMQs Only trouble was they turned up 20 mins too late
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Arf - I couldn't possibly comment Mr Bond, I suggest you consult with the script writer.Bond_James_Bond said:
Is that accurate then?SimonStClare said:
Only pulling Mr P's leg - Pure H2O is electrically neutral so doesn’t stick or cling which is how we normally define ‘wetness’ - however, add some free charged hydroxyls and things become positively soggy.foxinsoxuk said:
The issue is surface tension and adhesion I believe. Soap helps; or so I try to assure Fox jr.SimonStClare said: 0 -
I see Ed has been out and about with his child props on the school run, in a staged piece for Good Morning Britain. Desperate stuff.dr_spyn said:Good job Ed doesn't do brewing.
Paul Waugh @paulwaugh 1m1 minute ago
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Con 34, Lab 33 is just a two point swing from Kellner's 36-31.
Allowing for the usual under/over statement of Con/Lab in polls compared to final results, we're within a whisker.0
