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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,311
    Foxy said:

    tlg86 said:

    Foxy said:

    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    tlg86 said:

    I’m in Croyde this week so got Spotlight news on. They’ve just said that there were cameras in Anne Widdacombe’s house which caught the attack.

    If so, why the fuck did the police allow the idea that it was a burglary develop? What an utter disgrace.

    I guess your average Devon plod is more like the detectives in Hot Fuzz than Poirot. Why does it matter to you so much that it took them 48 hours to nick the alleged killer?

    An aggravated burglary is a reasonable first assumption in such a murder, in the absence of domestic violence.

    Been binge watching Criminal Minds, but it should not take an FBI Behavioural Analyst to profile that a body hit with a hammer 21 times is overkill and more than just a burglary, especially combined with the victimology.

    Given the nature of the murder, and the nature of the victim, terrorism should have been the first thought.
    Even now I am not convinced the murder was terrorism, as there seems no attempt to terrorise others by the killing.

    We do not yet know the motive (if there was a clear one) and it looks to me that the offence of murder during the course of an aggravated burglary fits the known facts quite well.
    Come now, foxy. One doesn't travel hundreds of miles to steal a wallet. Other motives for taking a wallet after killing someone are available.
    The coppers didn't know the bad guy had driven 300 miles at that point.

    I don't know why a I am defending the rozzers. I can't stand 'em.
    Foxy's comment begins "Even now I am not convinced...".
    ...the murder was terrorism"

    The UK definition of Terrorism is an action or threat designed to influence the government or intimidate the public. Its purpose is to advance a political, religious or ideological cause.

    We do not yet know if that was the motive for the killing.
    Do at least accept that it was almost certainly an assassination? That’s what the scandal is. The police kept saying there was no evidence of it being a targeted attack.
    It is clear now that it was a targetted killing, but that was far from immediately obvious.

    The retrospectoscope is only useful looking backwards rather than forwards.
    It was immediately obvious to me as soon as the police said they suspected foul play.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 91,021

    Nigelb said:

    Drapatyi replaces Syrsky, per a Ukrainian government source.
    https://x.com/michaeldweiss/status/2079652890071777643

    So is Fedorov coming back?
    Probably not, since he's said he won't.
    But it perhaps defuses the political situation. And also demonstrates the government can't ignore public opinion.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,887

    Andy Burnham makes first Labour figure to call for Starmer to quit a minister

    Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, will be a minister in the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade after accepting a place in the Lords


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-anas-sarwar-starmer-minister-lords-3w7tkhpnz

    Rewarding disloyalty and failure... good move Andy
    You are so partisan.
    Sarwar has been a poor leader for SLab.

    Rewarding him with a peerage and a government job seems undeserved.
    Are you new to politics?
    Why are so concerned about my opinions? Seems unnecessarily personal...
    It's tedious to read, a bit like Brixian's posts at times.

    For example you seemed be to shocked that Burnham had appointed a non lawyer as Lord Chancellor, this is not unprecedented.

    In the last decade or so the Tories appointed at least four non lawyers to the role.

    Chris Grayling, Michael Gove, Liz Truss, and David Lidington.
    Although TBF three of the names off the list you quote do not bode well.
    One of the many tragedies of Brexit was it ended Michael Gove's tenure as Justice Secretary, he was going to be transformative, he realised the justice system focuses too much on punishment and not on rehabilitation and a lot of people come out of prison as worse people.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,224
    Having previously sacked the Defence Minister for having lost a power struggle with the Chief of the Army, Zelensky has now been forced to fire the chief of the army.

    Zelensky sacks Ukraine's top army commander after days of protests
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cyvl35z3917o

    That’s not really a great outcome all around, but the key person damaged is undoubtedly Zelensky. We might see a new Ukrainian president this year.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,311

    Andy Burnham makes first Labour figure to call for Starmer to quit a minister

    Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, will be a minister in the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade after accepting a place in the Lords


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-anas-sarwar-starmer-minister-lords-3w7tkhpnz

    Rewarding disloyalty and failure... good move Andy
    You are so partisan.
    Sarwar has been a poor leader for SLab.

    Rewarding him with a peerage and a government job seems undeserved.
    Are you new to politics?
    Why are so concerned about my opinions? Seems unnecessarily personal...
    It's tedious to read, a bit like Brixian's posts at times.

    For example you seemed be to shocked that Burnham had appointed a non lawyer as Lord Chancellor, this is not unprecedented.

    In the last decade or so the Tories appointed at least four non lawyers to the role.

    Chris Grayling, Michael Gove, Liz Truss, and David Lidington.
    Although TBF three of the names off the list you quote do not bode well.
    One of the many tragedies of Brexit was it ended Michael Gove's tenure as Justice Secretary, he was going to be transformative, he realised the justice system focuses too much on punishment and not on rehabilitation and a lot of people come out of prison as worse people.
    Brexit was a liberation, not a tragedy.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,728

    nico67 said:

    Convicted fraudster Louise Haigh stripped of oversight of fraud office

    Brief for tackling public sector scams handed to Pat McFadden, the Work and Pensions Secretary, instead


    Louise Haigh, a convicted fraudster, is being stripped of responsibility for tackling public sector fraud in her new Cabinet role.

    Ms Haigh, the new Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, was appointed to Andy Burnham’s top team on Monday.

    She admitted misleading police more than a decade ago after wrongly telling officers her work phone had been stolen when she was “mugged while on a night out” in 2013.

    She claimed she initially believed the phone had been taken but later found the handset at home.

    The following year, six months before she became an MP, Ms Haigh pleaded guilty to making a false report to police and was handed a conditional discharge by magistrates. It is understood that the conviction is now classified as “spent”.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5183178a9c7f99c2

    The headline seems ridiculously over the top . I mean what did she have to gain from misleading police and I tend to think it was a genuine mistake . She should of course have informed the police immediately that she had found her phone .
    I've seen the following sequence play out in the early company mobile phone era, circa 2000 (so a decade earlier):-

    1. Person: I want a new phone
    2. Person to HR: my phone's been nicked. Please get me a new one.
    3. HR to Person: OK, here's a new phone. We'll claim it on insurance.
    4. HR to Insurance: an employee's had their phone nicked, send money.
    5. Insurance to HR: we need a crime number.
    6. HR to Person: we need a crime number.
    7. Person to Police: my phone's been nicked. I need a crime number.

    Maybe adding the mugging claim prompted the police actually to investigate and it all unravelled from there.

    But who knows? It's embarrassing but hardly crime of the century.
    It does however show a disregard for honesty.

    Maybe I'm unusual but I wouldn't get past my conscience on that one.
    When it comes to a disregard for honesty, I recall several Prime Ministers back, we had a certain Boris Johnson.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,311
    Taz said:

    Meet the new boss

    Same as the old boss.


    “ NEW UK PM BURNHAM APPROVES USE OF UK BASES FOR SOME US STRIKES ON IRAN”


    https://x.com/deitaone/status/2079644764782084116?s=61

    Realpolitik
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,728

    nico67 said:

    Small boat arrivals are down 47% compared to the same time last year .

    This can’t be attributed to unfavourable weather conditions .

    There’s been none in the last ten days . I look forward to the media reporting on this , cue tumbleweed …….

    That means there will be a massive surge of 1,000+ in a day the next time conditions are optimal.
    What's suboptimal about the recent and current conditions? Can't you just accept some good news?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,846
    edited July 21
    nico67 said:

    Convicted fraudster Louise Haigh stripped of oversight of fraud office

    Brief for tackling public sector scams handed to Pat McFadden, the Work and Pensions Secretary, instead


    Louise Haigh, a convicted fraudster, is being stripped of responsibility for tackling public sector fraud in her new Cabinet role.

    Ms Haigh, the new Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, was appointed to Andy Burnham’s top team on Monday.

    She admitted misleading police more than a decade ago after wrongly telling officers her work phone had been stolen when she was “mugged while on a night out” in 2013.

    She claimed she initially believed the phone had been taken but later found the handset at home.

    The following year, six months before she became an MP, Ms Haigh pleaded guilty to making a false report to police and was handed a conditional discharge by magistrates. It is understood that the conviction is now classified as “spent”.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5183178a9c7f99c2

    The headline seems ridiculously over the top . I mean what did she have to gain from misleading police and I tend to think it was a genuine mistake . She should of course have informed the police immediately that she had found her phone .
    It was not an innocent mistake. According to the Guardian the court papers showed she admitted she had intentionally lied in order to get a newer, better phone.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/10/louise-haigh-pleaded-guilty-to-lying-that-phone-was-stolen-paper-shows
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,677
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
    It would be filtered out from enhanced DBS checks after 12 years, surely? Fraud, conditional discharge...
    Nah, because she'd be working in banking she'd be barred, for example lawyers and accountants have to declare certain spent convictions.
    Yet she can be the Chief Operating Officer for an entire government.

    I knew the spotlight would be on Lou. She is the Peter Mandelson of this government.
    No, Mandeleson had a long track record of repeated bad behaviour with no real repentance.

    Haigh has gone straight and was a very effective Transport minister.

    She deserves a second chance. She knows she won't get a third.
    “Haigh has gone straight”

    LOL 🤣

    She’s the same old Loo. Trouble will find her. Watch this space.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,846

    Taz said:

    Meet the new boss

    Same as the old boss.


    “ NEW UK PM BURNHAM APPROVES USE OF UK BASES FOR SOME US STRIKES ON IRAN”


    https://x.com/deitaone/status/2079644764782084116?s=61

    Realpolitik
    Poor decision.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,566

    nico67 said:

    Convicted fraudster Louise Haigh stripped of oversight of fraud office

    Brief for tackling public sector scams handed to Pat McFadden, the Work and Pensions Secretary, instead


    Louise Haigh, a convicted fraudster, is being stripped of responsibility for tackling public sector fraud in her new Cabinet role.

    Ms Haigh, the new Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, was appointed to Andy Burnham’s top team on Monday.

    She admitted misleading police more than a decade ago after wrongly telling officers her work phone had been stolen when she was “mugged while on a night out” in 2013.

    She claimed she initially believed the phone had been taken but later found the handset at home.

    The following year, six months before she became an MP, Ms Haigh pleaded guilty to making a false report to police and was handed a conditional discharge by magistrates. It is understood that the conviction is now classified as “spent”.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5183178a9c7f99c2

    The headline seems ridiculously over the top . I mean what did she have to gain from misleading police and I tend to think it was a genuine mistake . She should of course have informed the police immediately that she had found her phone .
    It was not an innocent mistake. According to the Guardian the court papers showed she admitted she had intentionally lied in order to get a newer, better phone.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/10/louise-haigh-pleaded-guilty-to-lying-that-phone-was-stolen-paper-shows
    Oh I didn’t see that before . She really was very stupid .
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,532

    nico67 said:

    Small boat arrivals are down 47% compared to the same time last year .

    This can’t be attributed to unfavourable weather conditions .

    There’s been none in the last ten days . I look forward to the media reporting on this , cue tumbleweed …….

    That means there will be a massive surge of 1,000+ in a day the next time conditions are optimal.
    That may be so of course but... aren't conditions pretty optimal right now?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,887
    edited July 21

    Taz said:

    Meet the new boss

    Same as the old boss.


    “ NEW UK PM BURNHAM APPROVES USE OF UK BASES FOR SOME US STRIKES ON IRAN”


    https://x.com/deitaone/status/2079644764782084116?s=61

    Realpolitik
    Poor decision.
    It's hyperbole from that account which is well known for pushing a narrative.

    Bloomberg say it is the same policy as Starmer.

    Defensive operations only.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-07-21/burnham-approves-use-of-uk-bases-for-some-us-strikes-on-iran
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,730
    Taz said:

    Meet the new boss

    Same as the old boss.


    “ NEW UK PM BURNHAM APPROVES USE OF UK BASES FOR SOME US STRIKES ON IRAN”


    https://x.com/deitaone/status/2079644764782084116?s=61

    That is disappointing if not unexpected. As a confirmed lefty Burnham might just get away with bombing Gaza.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,728
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgwp0kz4g9t

    Hegseth says Iran war has cost $37.5bn so far

    That's a lot of money to spend on losing a war.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 91,021

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It's called rehabilitation ?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,086
    Nigelb said:

    Drapatyi replaces Syrsky, per a Ukrainian government source.
    https://x.com/michaeldweiss/status/2079652890071777643

    Drapatyi is a very popular pick. This is what one Ukrainian commentator has to say.

    "Drapatyi first gained national recognition in 2014 during the liberation of Mariupol, where he personally led an armored breakthrough into the city. During the full-scale war, he played key roles in Ukraine's Kherson counteroffensive and later commanded the defense against Russia's cross-border offensive toward Kharkiv in 2024.

    As commander of the Ground Forces, Drapatyi pushed for decentralized command, promoted younger combat-tested officers and openly challenged bureaucratic stagnation within the military. He also became known for emphasizing accountability, closer cooperation with frontline commanders and the rapid integration of new technologies, including expanded drone capabilities."


    I think it's probably a good change, and it's another example of civil society forcing Zelensky to back down, for the benefit of the country - demonstrating yet again why a democracy is better than a dictatorship.

    Now we'll see what happens with Fedorov.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 866
    edited July 21

    malcolmg said:

    Wait, Sarwar's jacking it in already? After just standing at the Holyrood election? Are there enough of them left in SLab for a decent leadership punch up?

    Have not been for years so they just keep scraping the barrel,
    The only two Slab MSPs I can name are Jackie Bailie and Paul Sweeney.

    Wikipedia informs me Joe Fagan is an MSP as of the 2026 election, so he should run on the slogan - Scottish Labour - That's Livin Alright.
    Slab only have 17 MSPs - their lowest ever total. Of these 17, six were first elected in May 2026. Two of their MSPs, Sarwar and Baroness Clark of Kilwinning are either in or heading for the Lords.

    Jackie Baillie could have the job if she wants it, but the next Holyrood election wont be fought until she is 67. There's not a wide selection in terms of candidates, one of the front runners - Monica Lennon - didnt get back in. Neither did Martin Whitfield in their most winnable seat (East Lothian), who was ranked too low in the list to get back in.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,799

    Taz said:

    Meet the new boss

    Same as the old boss.


    “ NEW UK PM BURNHAM APPROVES USE OF UK BASES FOR SOME US STRIKES ON IRAN”


    https://x.com/deitaone/status/2079644764782084116?s=61

    Realpolitik
    Poor decision.
    It's hyperbole from that account which is well known for pushing a narrative.

    Bloomberg say it is the same policy as Starmer.

    Defensive operations only.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-07-21/burnham-approves-use-of-uk-bases-for-some-us-strikes-on-iran
    ‘Defensive’ can mean a multitude of things. Just like defining whatever you want as a military target to justify blowing it up. As both sides have done

    As it’s the same policy as SKS then ‘meet the new boss…” is most fitting.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,799

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgwp0kz4g9t

    Hegseth says Iran war has cost $37.5bn so far

    That's a lot of money to spend on losing a war.

    And it looks like Israel has no desire to get involved based on what warmonger Smotrich was saying.

    Current situation suits them fine. They can just carry on annexing South Lebanon while making a total mug of Trump.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,313

    nico67 said:

    Convicted fraudster Louise Haigh stripped of oversight of fraud office

    Brief for tackling public sector scams handed to Pat McFadden, the Work and Pensions Secretary, instead


    Louise Haigh, a convicted fraudster, is being stripped of responsibility for tackling public sector fraud in her new Cabinet role.

    Ms Haigh, the new Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, was appointed to Andy Burnham’s top team on Monday.

    She admitted misleading police more than a decade ago after wrongly telling officers her work phone had been stolen when she was “mugged while on a night out” in 2013.

    She claimed she initially believed the phone had been taken but later found the handset at home.

    The following year, six months before she became an MP, Ms Haigh pleaded guilty to making a false report to police and was handed a conditional discharge by magistrates. It is understood that the conviction is now classified as “spent”.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5183178a9c7f99c2

    The headline seems ridiculously over the top . I mean what did she have to gain from misleading police and I tend to think it was a genuine mistake . She should of course have informed the police immediately that she had found her phone .
    I've seen the following sequence play out in the early company mobile phone era, circa 2000 (so a decade earlier):-

    1. Person: I want a new phone
    2. Person to HR: my phone's been nicked. Please get me a new one.
    3. HR to Person: OK, here's a new phone. We'll claim it on insurance.
    4. HR to Insurance: an employee's had their phone nicked, send money.
    5. Insurance to HR: we need a crime number.
    6. HR to Person: we need a crime number.
    7. Person to Police: my phone's been nicked. I need a crime number.

    Maybe adding the mugging claim prompted the police actually to investigate and it all unravelled from there.

    But who knows? It's embarrassing but hardly crime of the century.
    It does however show a disregard for honesty.

    Maybe I'm unusual but I wouldn't get past my conscience on that one.
    Me neither but stuff goes on.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,730
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    That was cruel. I thought is it Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) or Tainted Love or maybe Going to a Go-Go? So I opened it...
    Okay, here’s a Northern Soul,banger and favourite of Ian Levine, interpreted by Pans People

    https://youtu.be/E7CZIYY8GhM?si=vZdIxX82qHu1nHAt
    Now then, now then.

    Just check out the lneup. Good choice mind.
    One of the greatest tragedies of TV prior to 78 is the lack of retention of material in the archives.

    TOTP was especially savaged
    I found Steve Wright/ Mark Radcliffe's TOTP2 useful. There is some great early seventies material available that isn't found anywhere else.

    My particular favourite TOTP clip after Sweet's Fox on the Run, Virginia Plain, Maggie May and Starman is Andy Kim's Rock me Gently, spoiled I am afraid by that disgusting old white haired Yorkshire pedo pawing underage girls.
    I met John Henshall at a convention who developed the Fish Eye lens and returned the Jean Genie to the BBC. Nice chap

    Many performances from the early days exist as they were sold to overseas stations for pop programs so survived as inserts.

    Some colour ones exist in private hands. Unlikely so see the light of day.

    TOTP fandom is almost as bad as Dr Who fandom.

    I have a real affinity for the early pans people pop videos they made, as well as the videos they made to accompany songs they couldn’t get artists over for,

    This is my favourite.

    https://youtu.be/IXP7q3T1Tmc?is=kwBFZ7KLHlj7MCqY
    I've not seen that before, although I love the Persuaders title sequence.
    I watched the first dozen on the ITV YouTube channel. Quite fun.

    It’s a great title sequence
    I love that title sequence . John Barry was an absolute legend . I remember as a kid so excited towards Christmas when they’d show a Bond film .
    He was an absolute genius.

    His theme to Midnight Cowboy is amazing. Just a guy with a harmonica yet soooooo good.
    I read John (Nigel) Taylor's autobiography. For you it is worth a read, he discusses the benefits of the Midland Red bus from Alcester via Hollywood into Birmingham, as opposed to a WMPTE bus from the Maypole. Gay Hill Golf Club gets an interesting name check too. He writes about difficulties John Barry had over the score for A View to a Kill with Nick Rhodes. I knew Nick Rhodes (as Nicholas Bates) very, very well at Woodrush. He was an over confident arse at school, so to learn he was telling John Barry how to do his job came as no surprise.
    Thanks. I will have to look it up. See if it is on audible.

    Didn’t realise there was such a Midlands connection.

    That story reminds me of the time a newcomer actor playing a companion in Dr Who gave advice to Richard Todd on how to act !!
    Nick's mum had the toyshop in the Maypole they lived in a big house ( by our1970s standards) off Hollywood Lane.

    The Birmingham connections with the Rum Runner and Barbarella's are key to the story.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,799

    Andy Burnham makes first Labour figure to call for Starmer to quit a minister

    Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, will be a minister in the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade after accepting a place in the Lords


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-anas-sarwar-starmer-minister-lords-3w7tkhpnz

    Rewarding disloyalty and failure... good move Andy
    You are so partisan.
    Sarwar has been a poor leader for SLab.

    Rewarding him with a peerage and a government job seems undeserved.
    Are you new to politics?
    Why are so concerned about my opinions? Seems unnecessarily personal...
    It's tedious to read, a bit like Brixian's posts at times.

    For example you seemed be to shocked that Burnham had appointed a non lawyer as Lord Chancellor, this is not unprecedented.

    In the last decade or so the Tories appointed at least four non lawyers to the role.

    Chris Grayling, Michael Gove, Liz Truss, and David Lidington.
    Although TBF three of the names off the list you quote do not bode well.
    One of the many tragedies of Brexit was it ended Michael Gove's tenure as Justice Secretary, he was going to be transformative, he realised the justice system focuses too much on punishment and not on rehabilitation and a lot of people come out of prison as worse people.
    Not good as given they went in they weren’t exactly paragons of virtue.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,085
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It's called rehabilitation ?
    Not usually as a cabinet minister.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,086

    nico67 said:

    Convicted fraudster Louise Haigh stripped of oversight of fraud office

    Brief for tackling public sector scams handed to Pat McFadden, the Work and Pensions Secretary, instead


    Louise Haigh, a convicted fraudster, is being stripped of responsibility for tackling public sector fraud in her new Cabinet role.

    Ms Haigh, the new Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, was appointed to Andy Burnham’s top team on Monday.

    She admitted misleading police more than a decade ago after wrongly telling officers her work phone had been stolen when she was “mugged while on a night out” in 2013.

    She claimed she initially believed the phone had been taken but later found the handset at home.

    The following year, six months before she became an MP, Ms Haigh pleaded guilty to making a false report to police and was handed a conditional discharge by magistrates. It is understood that the conviction is now classified as “spent”.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5183178a9c7f99c2

    The headline seems ridiculously over the top . I mean what did she have to gain from misleading police and I tend to think it was a genuine mistake . She should of course have informed the police immediately that she had found her phone .
    I've seen the following sequence play out in the early company mobile phone era, circa 2000 (so a decade earlier):-

    1. Person: I want a new phone
    2. Person to HR: my phone's been nicked. Please get me a new one.
    3. HR to Person: OK, here's a new phone. We'll claim it on insurance.
    4. HR to Insurance: an employee's had their phone nicked, send money.
    5. Insurance to HR: we need a crime number.
    6. HR to Person: we need a crime number.
    7. Person to Police: my phone's been nicked. I need a crime number.

    Maybe adding the mugging claim prompted the police actually to investigate and it all unravelled from there.

    But who knows? It's embarrassing but hardly crime of the century.
    It does however show a disregard for honesty.

    Maybe I'm unusual but I wouldn't get past my conscience on that one.
    Upthread someone says that she didn't just do it once, but multiple times, and so her employer investigated her over it. That's pretty bad.

    I couldn't do it. I went to elaborate lengths to pay for a cucumber I accidentally didn't pay for. I just know that if I didn't the feeling of dishonesty would stay with me for life. I still feel bad about cheating at a game of Risk once.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,799
    Andy Burnham as the Fast Show character !

    https://x.com/latsot/status/2079545538907652141?s=61
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,086

    Ukraine-Russia war latest: Moscow strikes gas tanker off coast of Romania as Putin steps up attacks on shipping
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-live-putin-zelensky-moscow-drone-attack-b3018561.html

    Between the Americans, Iranians, Russians and Ukrainians, there soon won't be any tankers left. (Sorry for the sing-song nature of that sentence but I can't be bothered to recast it.)

    Should be a boom time for shipbuilders.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,887
    Anyhoo, Donald Trump will be bombing me when he sees the morning thread.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,799

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    That was cruel. I thought is it Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) or Tainted Love or maybe Going to a Go-Go? So I opened it...
    Okay, here’s a Northern Soul,banger and favourite of Ian Levine, interpreted by Pans People

    https://youtu.be/E7CZIYY8GhM?si=vZdIxX82qHu1nHAt
    Now then, now then.

    Just check out the lneup. Good choice mind.
    One of the greatest tragedies of TV prior to 78 is the lack of retention of material in the archives.

    TOTP was especially savaged
    I found Steve Wright/ Mark Radcliffe's TOTP2 useful. There is some great early seventies material available that isn't found anywhere else.

    My particular favourite TOTP clip after Sweet's Fox on the Run, Virginia Plain, Maggie May and Starman is Andy Kim's Rock me Gently, spoiled I am afraid by that disgusting old white haired Yorkshire pedo pawing underage girls.
    I met John Henshall at a convention who developed the Fish Eye lens and returned the Jean Genie to the BBC. Nice chap

    Many performances from the early days exist as they were sold to overseas stations for pop programs so survived as inserts.

    Some colour ones exist in private hands. Unlikely so see the light of day.

    TOTP fandom is almost as bad as Dr Who fandom.

    I have a real affinity for the early pans people pop videos they made, as well as the videos they made to accompany songs they couldn’t get artists over for,

    This is my favourite.

    https://youtu.be/IXP7q3T1Tmc?is=kwBFZ7KLHlj7MCqY
    I've not seen that before, although I love the Persuaders title sequence.
    I watched the first dozen on the ITV YouTube channel. Quite fun.

    It’s a great title sequence
    I love that title sequence . John Barry was an absolute legend . I remember as a kid so excited towards Christmas when they’d show a Bond film .
    He was an absolute genius.

    His theme to Midnight Cowboy is amazing. Just a guy with a harmonica yet soooooo good.
    I read John (Nigel) Taylor's autobiography. For you it is worth a read, he discusses the benefits of the Midland Red bus from Alcester via Hollywood into Birmingham, as opposed to a WMPTE bus from the Maypole. Gay Hill Golf Club gets an interesting name check too. He writes about difficulties John Barry had over the score for A View to a Kill with Nick Rhodes. I knew Nick Rhodes (as Nicholas Bates) very, very well at Woodrush. He was an over confident arse at school, so to learn he was telling John Barry how to do his job came as no surprise.
    Thanks. I will have to look it up. See if it is on audible.

    Didn’t realise there was such a Midlands connection.

    That story reminds me of the time a newcomer actor playing a companion in Dr Who gave advice to Richard Todd on how to act !!
    Nick's mum had the toyshop in the Maypole they lived in a big house ( by our1970s standards) off Hollywood Lane.

    The Birmingham connections with the Rum Runner and Barbarella's are key to the story.
    I meant with John Barry. But I misread your comment. I thought it was a book about John Barry !!

    What a doofus !
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,728
    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It's called rehabilitation ?
    Not usually as a cabinet minister.
    Peter Hain?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,887

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It's called rehabilitation ?
    Not usually as a cabinet minister.
    Peter Hain?
    Don't forget Winston Churchill who was a wanted fugitive.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,611

    nico67 said:

    Small boat arrivals are down 47% compared to the same time last year .

    This can’t be attributed to unfavourable weather conditions .

    There’s been none in the last ten days . I look forward to the media reporting on this , cue tumbleweed …….

    That means there will be a massive surge of 1,000+ in a day the next time conditions are optimal.
    That may be so of course but... aren't conditions pretty optimal right now?
    I was sailing off the IoW last week . Perfect boating conditions, with light seas and easterly winds of 2-4 knots.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,857

    Anyhoo, Donald Trump will be bombing me when he sees the morning thread.

    He's not a fan of AV then?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,695

    Taz said:

    Meet the new boss

    Same as the old boss.


    “ NEW UK PM BURNHAM APPROVES USE OF UK BASES FOR SOME US STRIKES ON IRAN”


    https://x.com/deitaone/status/2079644764782084116?s=61

    Realpolitik
    On this issue at least Polanski already claiming no change

    '@ZackPolanski
    This is an appalling lack of judgement and the surest sign yet that Britain will continue to be Trump's lackey.

    The war in Iran has cost countless lives, and breached international law - yet we continue to support it.

    Very, very concerning. Very, very continuity Starmer.'

    https://x.com/ZackPolanski/status/2079646513223872982?s=20
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,611
    edited July 21

    Ukraine-Russia war latest: Moscow strikes gas tanker off coast of Romania as Putin steps up attacks on shipping
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-live-putin-zelensky-moscow-drone-attack-b3018561.html

    Between the Americans, Iranians, Russians and Ukrainians, there soon won't be any tankers left. (Sorry for the sing-song nature of that sentence but I can't be bothered to recast it.)

    The Russians have also hit a couple of grain carriers off Odesa in recent days.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,677
    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
    It would be filtered out from enhanced DBS checks after 12 years, surely? Fraud, conditional discharge...
    Nah, because she'd be working in banking she'd be barred, for example lawyers and accountants have to declare certain spent convictions.
    Yet she can be the Chief Operating Officer for an entire government.

    I knew the spotlight would be on Lou. She is the Peter Mandelson of this government.
    No, Mandeleson had a long track record of repeated bad behaviour with no real repentance.

    Haigh has gone straight and was a very effective Transport minister.

    She deserves a second chance. She knows she won't get a third.
    “ very effective Transport minister”

    While serving as Transport Secretary in October 2024, Louise Haigh was publicly reprimanded by Prime Minister after calling for a public boycott of P&O Ferries. On the eve of a major government investment summit, Haigh referred to P&O Ferries as a "rogue operator" and explicitly urged consumers to boycott the company, so threatening a major investment from P&O's Dubai-based parent company. Number 10 had to swiftly step in to state the Transport Secretaries remarks were not the government's position.

    Earlier in September 2024, Haigh faced intense backlash after greenlighting a 15% pay rise for ASLEF train drivers. Government spokesman were forced to confirm to the press that "Lou went rogue" offering the massive, inflation-busting raise without broader cabinet authorization.

    In May 2025, Haigh publicly went to war with Downing Street's internal operations during an interview. She specifically targeted officials for trying to sack working-class, northern, female MPs.

    Amongst radical policy Haigh has recently set out in essays, she has called for:
    * A massive loosening of Labour’s strict fiscal debt rules, extending targets from 5 to 10 years.
    * re-examining the mandate of the independent Bank of England.
    * Implementing a land value tax to entirely replace the current stamp duty system on house purchases.

    You could ask the MODs to delete your original post, if you are feeling embarrassed about it. 🙂
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,348
    nico67 said:

    Small boat arrivals are down 47% compared to the same time last year .

    This can’t be attributed to unfavourable weather conditions .

    There’s been none in the last ten days . I look forward to the media reporting on this , cue tumbleweed …….

    The current figure to 20 July (12,469) is not just 47% down on the 23,534 who had arrived this time last year. It is also substantially lower than it was at the same stage in any of the last 4 years. The next lowest of the preceding 4 years was 14,362 to 20 July 2023.

    But as you say, this isn't going to be reported. It doesn't fit the narrative that the rate of immigration in general is rising not falling and is out of control.

  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,492

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
    It would be filtered out from enhanced DBS checks after 12 years, surely? Fraud, conditional discharge...
    Nah, because she'd be working in banking she'd be barred, for example lawyers and accountants have to declare certain spent convictions.
    Yet she can be the Chief Operating Officer for an entire government.

    I knew the spotlight would be on Lou. She is the Peter Mandelson of this government.
    No, Mandeleson had a long track record of repeated bad behaviour with no real repentance.

    Haigh has gone straight and was a very effective Transport minister.

    She deserves a second chance. She knows she won't get a third.
    “ very effective Transport minister”

    While serving as Transport Secretary in October 2024, Louise Haigh was publicly reprimanded by Prime Minister after calling for a public boycott of P&O Ferries. On the eve of a major government investment summit, Haigh referred to P&O Ferries as a "rogue operator" and explicitly urged consumers to boycott the company, so threatening a major investment from P&O's Dubai-based parent company. Number 10 had to swiftly step in to state the Transport Secretaries remarks were not the government's position.

    Earlier in September 2024, Haigh faced intense backlash after greenlighting a 15% pay rise for ASLEF train drivers. Government spokesman were forced to confirm to the press that "Lou went rogue" offering the massive, inflation-busting raise without broader cabinet authorization.

    In May 2025, Haigh publicly went to war with Downing Street's internal operations during an interview. She specifically targeted officials for trying to sack working-class, northern, female MPs.

    Amongst radical policy Haigh has recently set out in essays, she has called for:
    * A massive loosening of Labour’s strict fiscal debt rules, extending targets from 5 to 10 years.
    * re-examining the mandate of the independent Bank of England.
    * Implementing a land value tax to entirely replace the current stamp duty system on house purchases.

    You could ask the MODs to delete your original post, if you are feeling embarrassed about it. 🙂
    The third of those "radical policies" is an excellent proposal, the merits of which have often been discussed here.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,500
    a

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It's called rehabilitation ?
    Not usually as a cabinet minister.
    Peter Hain?
    Don't forget Winston Churchill who was a wanted fugitive.
    As Home Sec. Churchill based his prisons policy on his own experience of being in the clink.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,416
    I'm sorry - is this a lost outtake from The Office?

    Give me strength.



    Ministry of Justice
    @MoJGovUK

    Welcoming @AlexJJNorris as Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice. Let's get started...

    https://x.com/MoJGovUK/status/2079586039312650371

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,985

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
    It would be filtered out from enhanced DBS checks after 12 years, surely? Fraud, conditional discharge...
    Nah, because she'd be working in banking she'd be barred, for example lawyers and accountants have to declare certain spent convictions.
    Yet she can be the Chief Operating Officer for an entire government.

    I knew the spotlight would be on Lou. She is the Peter Mandelson of this government.
    No, Mandeleson had a long track record of repeated bad behaviour with no real repentance.

    Haigh has gone straight and was a very effective Transport minister.

    She deserves a second chance. She knows she won't get a third.
    “ very effective Transport minister”

    While serving as Transport Secretary in October 2024, Louise Haigh was publicly reprimanded by Prime Minister after calling for a public boycott of P&O Ferries. On the eve of a major government investment summit, Haigh referred to P&O Ferries as a "rogue operator" and explicitly urged consumers to boycott the company, so threatening a major investment from P&O's Dubai-based parent company. Number 10 had to swiftly step in to state the Transport Secretaries remarks were not the government's position.

    Earlier in September 2024, Haigh faced intense backlash after greenlighting a 15% pay rise for ASLEF train drivers. Government spokesman were forced to confirm to the press that "Lou went rogue" offering the massive, inflation-busting raise without broader cabinet authorization.

    In May 2025, Haigh publicly went to war with Downing Street's internal operations during an interview. She specifically targeted officials for trying to sack working-class, northern, female MPs.

    Amongst radical policy Haigh has recently set out in essays, she has called for:
    * A massive loosening of Labour’s strict fiscal debt rules, extending targets from 5 to 10 years.
    * re-examining the mandate of the independent Bank of England.
    * Implementing a land value tax to entirely replace the current stamp duty system on house purchases.

    You could ask the MODs to delete your original post, if you are feeling embarrassed about it. 🙂
    The third of those "radical policies" is an excellent proposal, the merits of which have often been discussed here.
    The second of those was the situation under which the great Margaret Thatcher operated.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,500

    nico67 said:

    Small boat arrivals are down 47% compared to the same time last year .

    This can’t be attributed to unfavourable weather conditions .

    There’s been none in the last ten days . I look forward to the media reporting on this , cue tumbleweed …….

    The current figure to 20 July (12,469) is not just 47% down on the 23,534 who had arrived this time last year. It is also substantially lower than it was at the same stage in any of the last 4 years. The next lowest of the preceding 4 years was 14,362 to 20 July 2023.

    But as you say, this isn't going to be reported. It doesn't fit the narrative that the rate of immigration in general is rising not falling and is out of control.

    I refer you to the anecdote of Norman Tebbit vs Brian Redhead on Radio 4 back in the late 80s.

    Tebbit baited Redhead for a while over his failure to ask a question about unemployment figures. Which Redhead had always done while they were going up.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 41,029
    £50 doesn't even buy a meal? It buys about 6 or 7 meals in Wetherspoons.

    https://news.sky.com/video/50-doesnt-even-buy-a-meal-what-people-think-of-burnhams-electricity-vat-cut-13565758
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,985

    a

    tlg86 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It's called rehabilitation ?
    Not usually as a cabinet minister.
    Peter Hain?
    Don't forget Winston Churchill who was a wanted fugitive.
    As Home Sec. Churchill based his prisons policy on his own experience of being in the clink.
    But radical to expect the Home Secretary to have been locked up, mind.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 41,029
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    tlg86 said:

    I’m in Croyde this week so got Spotlight news on. They’ve just said that there were cameras in Anne Widdacombe’s house which caught the attack.

    If so, why the fuck did the police allow the idea that it was a burglary develop? What an utter disgrace.

    I guess your average Devon plod is more like the detectives in Hot Fuzz than Poirot. Why does it matter to you so much that it took them 48 hours to nick the alleged killer?

    An aggravated burglary is a reasonable first assumption in such a murder, in the absence of domestic violence.

    Been binge watching Criminal Minds, but it should not take an FBI Behavioural Analyst to profile that a body hit with a hammer 21 times is overkill and more than just a burglary, especially combined with the victimology.

    Given the nature of the murder, and the nature of the victim, terrorism should have been the first thought.
    Even now I am not convinced the murder was terrorism, as there seems no attempt to terrorise others by the killing.

    We do not yet know the motive (if there was a clear one) and it looks to me that the offence of murder during the course of an aggravated burglary fits the known facts quite well.
    You could argue it terrorises anyone in Reform in a public role.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,985
    Andy_JS said:
    Buys 167.66 Lee Anderson meals.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,165

    I'm sorry - is this a lost outtake from The Office?

    Give me strength.



    Ministry of Justice
    @MoJGovUK

    Welcoming @AlexJJNorris as Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice. Let's get started...

    https://x.com/MoJGovUK/status/2079586039312650371

    Lucy Powell put out a very similar video via her department's X account
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,416
    edited July 21
    Alex Wickham
    @alexwickham

    EXCLUSIVE: Andy Burnham has approved the use of British military bases by the US for what the UK calls defensive strikes against Iran, in a continuation of Keir Starmer’s policy even as Trump ramps up his war.


    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2079643036154249417
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,492

    Alex Wickham
    @alexwickham

    EXCLUSIVE: Andy Burnham has approved the use of British military bases by the US for what the UK calls defensive strikes against Iran, in a continuation of Keir Starmer’s policy even as Trump ramps up his war.


    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2079643036154249417

    More interesting would be approving offensive strikes.

    The sooner the regime is toppled, the better. No point pissing around with half measures like the Yanks are doing, leaving the Strait closed but not toppling the regime.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,348

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
    It would be filtered out from enhanced DBS checks after 12 years, surely? Fraud, conditional discharge...
    Nah, because she'd be working in banking she'd be barred, for example lawyers and accountants have to declare certain spent convictions.
    Yet she can be the Chief Operating Officer for an entire government.

    I knew the spotlight would be on Lou. She is the Peter Mandelson of this government.
    No, Mandeleson had a long track record of repeated bad behaviour with no real repentance.

    Haigh has gone straight and was a very effective Transport minister.

    She deserves a second chance. She knows she won't get a third.
    “ very effective Transport minister”

    While serving as Transport Secretary in October 2024, Louise Haigh was publicly reprimanded by Prime Minister after calling for a public boycott of P&O Ferries. On the eve of a major government investment summit, Haigh referred to P&O Ferries as a "rogue operator" and explicitly urged consumers to boycott the company, so threatening a major investment from P&O's Dubai-based parent company. Number 10 had to swiftly step in to state the Transport Secretaries remarks were not the government's position.

    Earlier in September 2024, Haigh faced intense backlash after greenlighting a 15% pay rise for ASLEF train drivers. Government spokesman were forced to confirm to the press that "Lou went rogue" offering the massive, inflation-busting raise without broader cabinet authorization.

    In May 2025, Haigh publicly went to war with Downing Street's internal operations during an interview. She specifically targeted officials for trying to sack working-class, northern, female MPs.

    Amongst radical policy Haigh has recently set out in essays, she has called for:
    * A massive loosening of Labour’s strict fiscal debt rules, extending targets from 5 to 10 years.
    * re-examining the mandate of the independent Bank of England.
    * Implementing a land value tax to entirely replace the current stamp duty system on house purchases.

    You could ask the MODs to delete your original post, if you are feeling embarrassed about it. 🙂
    The third of those "radical policies" is an excellent proposal, the merits of which have often been discussed here.
    And the fact that Starmer saw fit to publically reprimand Haigh and do nothing in response to P&O's disgraceful downgrading of pay and conditions for its ferry staff reflects badly on no-one apart from Starmer.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,165

    I'm sorry - is this a lost outtake from The Office?

    Give me strength.



    Ministry of Justice
    @MoJGovUK

    Welcoming @AlexJJNorris as Lord Chancellor and Secretary of State for Justice. Let's get started...

    https://x.com/MoJGovUK/status/2079586039312650371

    Powell's video

    https://x.com/i/status/2079628888599138555
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,677

    Foxy said:

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
    It would be filtered out from enhanced DBS checks after 12 years, surely? Fraud, conditional discharge...
    Nah, because she'd be working in banking she'd be barred, for example lawyers and accountants have to declare certain spent convictions.
    Yet she can be the Chief Operating Officer for an entire government.

    I knew the spotlight would be on Lou. She is the Peter Mandelson of this government.
    No, Mandeleson had a long track record of repeated bad behaviour with no real repentance.

    Haigh has gone straight and was a very effective Transport minister.

    She deserves a second chance. She knows she won't get a third.
    “ very effective Transport minister”

    While serving as Transport Secretary in October 2024, Louise Haigh was publicly reprimanded by Prime Minister after calling for a public boycott of P&O Ferries. On the eve of a major government investment summit, Haigh referred to P&O Ferries as a "rogue operator" and explicitly urged consumers to boycott the company, so threatening a major investment from P&O's Dubai-based parent company. Number 10 had to swiftly step in to state the Transport Secretaries remarks were not the government's position.

    Earlier in September 2024, Haigh faced intense backlash after greenlighting a 15% pay rise for ASLEF train drivers. Government spokesman were forced to confirm to the press that "Lou went rogue" offering the massive, inflation-busting raise without broader cabinet authorization.

    In May 2025, Haigh publicly went to war with Downing Street's internal operations during an interview. She specifically targeted officials for trying to sack working-class, northern, female MPs.

    Amongst radical policy Haigh has recently set out in essays, she has called for:
    * A massive loosening of Labour’s strict fiscal debt rules, extending targets from 5 to 10 years.
    * re-examining the mandate of the independent Bank of England.
    * Implementing a land value tax to entirely replace the current stamp duty system on house purchases.

    You could ask the MODs to delete your original post, if you are feeling embarrassed about it. 🙂
    The third of those "radical policies" is an excellent proposal, the merits of which have often been discussed here.
    Well there we are. The resident Uber Pirate likes a bit of Lou on a roll, demonstrating her radical “vision thing”.

    That says a lot. More than I can say.

    Did you find her orange hair rather persuasive as well? She has form for luring husbands away from their wives.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,789
    X
    Alistair Grant@alistairkgrant
    Asked if he would ever take up a seat in the House of Lords a whole two and a half months ago, Anas Sarwar said: "No. I'm focused on being First Minister of this great country."
    https://x.com/alistairkgrant/status/2079633976172355783

    Alistair Grant@alistairkgrant
    Fair to say Labour's opponents will have some fun with this.

    Anas Sarwar in 2022: “The House of Lords, in its current form, as an institution has no place in 21st century politics. It is unacceptable...to have unelected representatives wielding such power."
    https://x.com/alistairkgrant/status/2079639733123047813

    Kevin Schofield@KevinASchofield
    Not a bad result for the man who led Scottish Labour to a disastrous result on May 7.

    And what message does it send out to Scottish Labour MPs left on the backbenches?
    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/2079651065134194774
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 866
    fitalass said:

    X
    Alistair Grant@alistairkgrant
    Asked if he would ever take up a seat in the House of Lords a whole two and a half months ago, Anas Sarwar said: "No. I'm focused on being First Minister of this great country."
    https://x.com/alistairkgrant/status/2079633976172355783

    Alistair Grant@alistairkgrant
    Fair to say Labour's opponents will have some fun with this.

    Anas Sarwar in 2022: “The House of Lords, in its current form, as an institution has no place in 21st century politics. It is unacceptable...to have unelected representatives wielding such power."
    https://x.com/alistairkgrant/status/2079639733123047813

    Kevin Schofield@KevinASchofield
    Not a bad result for the man who led Scottish Labour to a disastrous result on May 7.

    And what message does it send out to Scottish Labour MPs left on the backbenches?
    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/2079651065134194774

    I think Sarwar was looking for a way out, but goodness it doesn't look great. I don't expect he will continue as Scottish Labour leader

    Funnily enough, Monica Lennon, who had lost her seat, is next in line to replace him in the Glasgow list, if he stands down.

    No pressure, Anas
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,165
    fitalass said:

    X
    Alistair Grant@alistairkgrant
    Asked if he would ever take up a seat in the House of Lords a whole two and a half months ago, Anas Sarwar said: "No. I'm focused on being First Minister of this great country."
    https://x.com/alistairkgrant/status/2079633976172355783

    Alistair Grant@alistairkgrant
    Fair to say Labour's opponents will have some fun with this.

    Anas Sarwar in 2022: “The House of Lords, in its current form, as an institution has no place in 21st century politics. It is unacceptable...to have unelected representatives wielding such power."
    https://x.com/alistairkgrant/status/2079639733123047813

    Kevin Schofield@KevinASchofield
    Not a bad result for the man who led Scottish Labour to a disastrous result on May 7.

    And what message does it send out to Scottish Labour MPs left on the backbenches?
    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/2079651065134194774

    It is worth remembering that his father had his nomination to become a peer was rejected by the authorities on the recommendation of HMRC, so Anas may have had a rather negative view of the institution.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,846
    Nigelb said:

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It's called rehabilitation ?
    True but others have pointed out there is an exception made under law for fraud when declaring previous convictions in a court case.

    So I do think putting her in charge of dealing with fraud would have been a step.too far.

    But I don"t think.it should prevent her holding other ministerial positions.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 91,021
    Zelenskyy’s full address tonight announcing the appointment of new Commander in Chief Mykhailo Drapatyi. He says the General Staff will also be reconfigured. Zelenskyy also offered former defense minister Mykhailo Fedorov a new position, but did not say whether he’d accepted. As first reported
    @FT, Fedorov turned down an offer to head up a defense tech czar role at the National Security and Defense Council, saying he’d only take back MoD. More changes coming tomorrow and throughout the week.

    https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/2079666469781307826
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,846
    Andy_JS said:
    If you are really in trouble i can buy a good few days meals.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,416
    Can Antonia Romeo do shorthand?

    Viewing her taking notes as Burnham speaks to his first Cabinet on BBC News she seems to write very quickly.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 91,021
    Fedorov..

    https://x.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/2079664838473613443
    Congratulations to Major General Mykhailo Drapatyi on his appointment as Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

    This is a breath of fresh air and a new source of hope in the fight of free people for freedom and justice. It is the voice of change that could no longer be ignored.

    Now, the high expectations of the Ukrainian people must be met with a clear vision for bringing the War of Independence to a successful conclusion, a strong team and decisive action focused on saving the lives of our service members, accelerating the robotization of the battlefield, delivering asymmetric strikes and exhausting Russia’s economy.

    I also called General Oleksandr Syrskyi to thank him for the defense of the Kyiv region, the Kharkiv counteroffensive and other historic battles.

    These achievements are already an important part of Ukraine’s history.

    But now we must move even faster, write the next chapters of that history and correct the mistakes of the past.

    Thank you to everyone who made this possible.

  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 866

    fitalass said:

    X
    Alistair Grant@alistairkgrant
    Asked if he would ever take up a seat in the House of Lords a whole two and a half months ago, Anas Sarwar said: "No. I'm focused on being First Minister of this great country."
    https://x.com/alistairkgrant/status/2079633976172355783

    Alistair Grant@alistairkgrant
    Fair to say Labour's opponents will have some fun with this.

    Anas Sarwar in 2022: “The House of Lords, in its current form, as an institution has no place in 21st century politics. It is unacceptable...to have unelected representatives wielding such power."
    https://x.com/alistairkgrant/status/2079639733123047813

    Kevin Schofield@KevinASchofield
    Not a bad result for the man who led Scottish Labour to a disastrous result on May 7.

    And what message does it send out to Scottish Labour MPs left on the backbenches?
    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/2079651065134194774

    It is worth remembering that his father had his nomination to become a peer was rejected by the authorities on the recommendation of HMRC, so Anas may have had a rather negative view of the institution.
    To be fair to Anas, at least he has stuck with living in Scotland. Maybe it was the peerage rejection which convinced his father to leave.

    Ridiculous state of affairs all round though. Some new backbench MSPs looking for leadership.

    They are also left looking at the farce in Lothian region, where relative newcomer to Slab Irshad Ahmed topped the list above Martin Whitfield in dubious circumstances.

    Heres a question brains trust: we can have a PM from the Lords, can we have a First Minister?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,416
    George Eaton
    @georgeeaton
    ·
    1h
    Not said enough in recent weeks that Bridget Phillipson was the cabinet minister who did the most to secure the abolition of the two-child benefit cap (cited by Starmer as his proudest moment).

    https://x.com/georgeeaton/status/2079646924060123327

    Narrator: Starmer spent months blocking the change to the point, iirc, he threw MPs off the Labour whip for trying to get it passed as legislation initially.

  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,857

    nico67 said:

    Small boat arrivals are down 47% compared to the same time last year .

    This can’t be attributed to unfavourable weather conditions .

    There’s been none in the last ten days . I look forward to the media reporting on this , cue tumbleweed …….

    The current figure to 20 July (12,469) is not just 47% down on the 23,534 who had arrived this time last year. It is also substantially lower than it was at the same stage in any of the last 4 years. The next lowest of the preceding 4 years was 14,362 to 20 July 2023.

    But as you say, this isn't going to be reported. It doesn't fit the narrative that the rate of immigration in general is rising not falling and is out of control.

    This is the equivalent of inflation falling, prices still going up.

    Yes the rate at which people are entering the country illegally is falling, but the aggregate number of illegal migrants in the country continues to rise.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,707
    HYUFD said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    And Burnham as a trade sector journalist for all of 5 minutes before becoming a researcher for Tessa Jowell. Mahmood specialised in private indemnity law but didn't exactly work for a business or firm.

    Even if majority Oxbridge, 55% of the Cabinet went to one of those elite universities it is also a very state educated Cabinet. 72% of Burnham's Cabinet went to a comprehensive, just 24% a private school. Indeed more were educated in the North of England, 41% than received a private education

    https://www.suttontrust.com/our-research/sutton-trust-cabinet-analysis-2026/
    They both worked in the private sector, ergo FU's claim is demonstrably false.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,707

    Taz said:

    Andy Burnham has appointed the most Oxbridge-educated Cabinet in modern times. 17 of the 28 Ministers appointed were educated at either Oxford or Cambridge, according to analysis by The i Paper

    And yet bugger all of them (i think 3) have had a job in the private sector let alone run a business.

    I started looking at the careers of the Cabinet, working down from the PM, and I only had to look at the first seven before I found four who have worked in the private sector (Burnham: journalist, Haigh:Aviva, Mahmood: barrister, Streeting: PWC). No doubt if I continued my efforts I would have found many more.
    Must try harder!
    Haigh ended up with a conviction for fraud !!
    Police caution (now spent) but then it was spent when Starmer sacked her. So what has changed?
    It would still show up on an enhanced DBS check which means she couldn't work for me.
    She must be gutted about that.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,742

    Andy Burnham makes first Labour figure to call for Starmer to quit a minister

    Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, will be a minister in the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade after accepting a place in the Lords


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-anas-sarwar-starmer-minister-lords-3w7tkhpnz

    Rewarding disloyalty and failure... good move Andy
    You are so partisan.
    Sarwar has been a poor leader for SLab.

    Rewarding him with a peerage and a government job seems undeserved.
    Are you new to politics?
    Why are so concerned about my opinions? Seems unnecessarily personal...
    It's tedious to read, a bit like Brixian's posts at times.

    For example you seemed be to shocked that Burnham had appointed a non lawyer as Lord Chancellor, this is not unprecedented.

    In the last decade or so the Tories appointed at least four non lawyers to the role.

    Chris Grayling, Michael Gove, Liz Truss, and David Lidington.
    Although TBF three of the names off the list you quote do not bode well.
    One of the many tragedies of Brexit was it ended Michael Gove's tenure as Justice Secretary, he was going to be transformative, he realised the justice system focuses too much on punishment and not on rehabilitation and a lot of people come out of prison as worse people.
    Indeed. Another was the fact that our very own Roger was forced to queue for literally some of an hour with a group of Somalians, just to get back to the green green grass of home (France). Cruel cruel Brexit.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,627
    fitalass said:

    X
    Alistair Grant@alistairkgrant
    Asked if he would ever take up a seat in the House of Lords a whole two and a half months ago, Anas Sarwar said: "No. I'm focused on being First Minister of this great country."
    https://x.com/alistairkgrant/status/2079633976172355783

    Alistair Grant@alistairkgrant
    Fair to say Labour's opponents will have some fun with this.

    Anas Sarwar in 2022: “The House of Lords, in its current form, as an institution has no place in 21st century politics. It is unacceptable...to have unelected representatives wielding such power."
    https://x.com/alistairkgrant/status/2079639733123047813

    Kevin Schofield@KevinASchofield
    Not a bad result for the man who led Scottish Labour to a disastrous result on May 7.

    And what message does it send out to Scottish Labour MPs left on the backbenches?
    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/2079651065134194774

    House of Lords = House of Unelected Has-Beens!
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,423
    edited July 21

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgwp0kz4g9t

    Hegseth says Iran war has cost $37.5bn so far

    That's a lot of money to spend on losing a war.

    Vladimir Putin says, "Hold my coat" ...

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,730
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    nico67 said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:
    That was cruel. I thought is it Do I Love You (Indeed I Do) or Tainted Love or maybe Going to a Go-Go? So I opened it...
    Okay, here’s a Northern Soul,banger and favourite of Ian Levine, interpreted by Pans People

    https://youtu.be/E7CZIYY8GhM?si=vZdIxX82qHu1nHAt
    Now then, now then.

    Just check out the lneup. Good choice mind.
    One of the greatest tragedies of TV prior to 78 is the lack of retention of material in the archives.

    TOTP was especially savaged
    I found Steve Wright/ Mark Radcliffe's TOTP2 useful. There is some great early seventies material available that isn't found anywhere else.

    My particular favourite TOTP clip after Sweet's Fox on the Run, Virginia Plain, Maggie May and Starman is Andy Kim's Rock me Gently, spoiled I am afraid by that disgusting old white haired Yorkshire pedo pawing underage girls.
    I met John Henshall at a convention who developed the Fish Eye lens and returned the Jean Genie to the BBC. Nice chap

    Many performances from the early days exist as they were sold to overseas stations for pop programs so survived as inserts.

    Some colour ones exist in private hands. Unlikely so see the light of day.

    TOTP fandom is almost as bad as Dr Who fandom.

    I have a real affinity for the early pans people pop videos they made, as well as the videos they made to accompany songs they couldn’t get artists over for,

    This is my favourite.

    https://youtu.be/IXP7q3T1Tmc?is=kwBFZ7KLHlj7MCqY
    I've not seen that before, although I love the Persuaders title sequence.
    I watched the first dozen on the ITV YouTube channel. Quite fun.

    It’s a great title sequence
    I love that title sequence . John Barry was an absolute legend . I remember as a kid so excited towards Christmas when they’d show a Bond film .
    He was an absolute genius.

    His theme to Midnight Cowboy is amazing. Just a guy with a harmonica yet soooooo good.
    I read John (Nigel) Taylor's autobiography. For you it is worth a read, he discusses the benefits of the Midland Red bus from Alcester via Hollywood into Birmingham, as opposed to a WMPTE bus from the Maypole. Gay Hill Golf Club gets an interesting name check too. He writes about difficulties John Barry had over the score for A View to a Kill with Nick Rhodes. I knew Nick Rhodes (as Nicholas Bates) very, very well at Woodrush. He was an over confident arse at school, so to learn he was telling John Barry how to do his job came as no surprise.
    Thanks. I will have to look it up. See if it is on audible.

    Didn’t realise there was such a Midlands connection.

    That story reminds me of the time a newcomer actor playing a companion in Dr Who gave advice to Richard Todd on how to act !!
    Nick's mum had the toyshop in the Maypole they lived in a big house ( by our1970s standards) off Hollywood Lane.

    The Birmingham connections with the Rum Runner and Barbarella's are key to the story.
    I meant with John Barry. But I misread your comment. I thought it was a book about John Barry !!

    What a doofus !
    No, John (Nigel) the Duran Duran bass player. I am sure there are very good biographies about John Barry but I don't believe three will be a paragraph discussing Gay Hill Golf club.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,730

    Andy Burnham makes first Labour figure to call for Starmer to quit a minister

    Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, will be a minister in the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade after accepting a place in the Lords


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-anas-sarwar-starmer-minister-lords-3w7tkhpnz

    Rewarding disloyalty and failure... good move Andy
    You are so partisan.
    Sarwar has been a poor leader for SLab.

    Rewarding him with a peerage and a government job seems undeserved.
    Are you new to politics?
    Why are so concerned about my opinions? Seems unnecessarily personal...
    It's tedious to read, a bit like Brixian's posts at times.

    For example you seemed be to shocked that Burnham had appointed a non lawyer as Lord Chancellor, this is not unprecedented.

    In the last decade or so the Tories appointed at least four non lawyers to the role.

    Chris Grayling, Michael Gove, Liz Truss, and David Lidington.
    Although TBF three of the names off the list you quote do not bode well.
    One of the many tragedies of Brexit was it ended Michael Gove's tenure as Justice Secretary, he was going to be transformative, he realised the justice system focuses too much on punishment and not on rehabilitation and a lot of people come out of prison as worse people.
    Indeed. Another was the fact that our very own Roger was forced to queue for literally some of an hour with a group of Somalians, just to get back to the green green grass of home (France). Cruel cruel Brexit.
    He would have had to do that pre- Brexit as Somalia pirates posing as refugees were immediately kicked back to France, Bishop Brennan style, the moment they arrived, under the terms of the Dublin Convention.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,730

    Anyhoo, Donald Trump will be bombing me when he sees the morning thread.

    Does he think you are Ed Miliband?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 41,029
    edited July 21
    According to Nick Watt on Newsnight, there's already rancour on the part of Starmer supporters. He quotes one as saying, in response to Anas Sarwar's potential appointment:

    "Yet another senior figure who betrayed Keir rewarded. If Andy thinks there won't be consequences, he is going to be disappointed."
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 866
    Andy_JS said:

    According to Nick Watt on Newsnight, there's already rancour on the part of Starmer supporters. He quotes one as saying, in response to Anas Sarwar's potential appointment:

    "Yet another senior figure who betrayed Keir rewarded. If Andy thinks there won't be consequences, he is going to be disappointed."

    Toys out the pram time. Starmers pals will have to sober up from their booze party to be any good in a fight
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,641

    Anyhoo, Donald Trump will be bombing me when he sees the morning thread.

    He's not a fan of AV then?
    He's really not, they have it in Alaska (I think) and they are worried it could mean the Democrats pick up a win.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,641

    nico67 said:

    Convicted fraudster Louise Haigh stripped of oversight of fraud office

    Brief for tackling public sector scams handed to Pat McFadden, the Work and Pensions Secretary, instead


    Louise Haigh, a convicted fraudster, is being stripped of responsibility for tackling public sector fraud in her new Cabinet role.

    Ms Haigh, the new Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, was appointed to Andy Burnham’s top team on Monday.

    She admitted misleading police more than a decade ago after wrongly telling officers her work phone had been stolen when she was “mugged while on a night out” in 2013.

    She claimed she initially believed the phone had been taken but later found the handset at home.

    The following year, six months before she became an MP, Ms Haigh pleaded guilty to making a false report to police and was handed a conditional discharge by magistrates. It is understood that the conviction is now classified as “spent”.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5183178a9c7f99c2

    The headline seems ridiculously over the top . I mean what did she have to gain from misleading police and I tend to think it was a genuine mistake . She should of course have informed the police immediately that she had found her phone .
    It was not an innocent mistake. According to the Guardian the court papers showed she admitted she had intentionally lied in order to get a newer, better phone.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jan/10/louise-haigh-pleaded-guilty-to-lying-that-phone-was-stolen-paper-shows
    An important difference in determining how much it should matter years later.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,985
    DoctorG said:

    Andy_JS said:

    According to Nick Watt on Newsnight, there's already rancour on the part of Starmer supporters. He quotes one as saying, in response to Anas Sarwar's potential appointment:

    "Yet another senior figure who betrayed Keir rewarded. If Andy thinks there won't be consequences, he is going to be disappointed."

    Toys out the pram time. Starmers pals will have to sober up from their booze party to be any good in a fight
    Yep.
    No matter how bad Andy B may be I doubt there'll be many Labour folk pining for the halcyon days of Sir Keir anytime soon.
    Or ever.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,677
    Andy_JS said:

    According to Nick Watt on Newsnight, there's already rancour on the part of Starmer supporters. He quotes one as saying, in response to Anas Sarwar's potential appointment:

    "Yet another senior figure who betrayed Keir rewarded. If Andy thinks there won't be consequences, he is going to be disappointed."

    The Starmerites don’t like being trolled. Well whoopee what a shock.

    So what are “the consequences” - managerialated to death somehow? Trick them into forming a "blue-ribbon task force" and host 50 town halls to draft a green paper about drafting a white paper? Trap them in an offsite weekend retreat to debate a mission statement about the reset governments use of the Union Jack, on basis it can’t possibly be the same as Starmer’s, can it? Hack the computer system to change the reporting lines of cabinet and ministerial departments every 48 hours, until no one knows who is in charge of what? Use Agent McFadden to introduce a strict Key Performance Indicator (KPI) framework with impossible contradictory metrics, something like increasing voter turnout while cutting all campaign engagement budgets. Useless Lucy would certainly fall it. Cancel all new swanky mobile phone upgrades for “red heads”, sit back and see what happens.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,240
    edited July 21
    Some politicians need to discover some backbone.

    James Murray: CST until May, SofS for three months, and now sent to a more junior HMT position as FST.

    You don’t have to take that sort of humiliation, James.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Murray_(British_politician,_born_1983)
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,165
    Fuller list of junior ministers

    https://x.com/i/status/2079683366903791762

    Dan Jarvis dropping back down to his previous job
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,313
    edited 2:35AM

    Andy_JS said:

    According to Nick Watt on Newsnight, there's already rancour on the part of Starmer supporters. He quotes one as saying, in response to Anas Sarwar's potential appointment:

    "Yet another senior figure who betrayed Keir rewarded. If Andy thinks there won't be consequences, he is going to be disappointed."

    The Starmerites don’t like being trolled. Well whoopee what a shock.

    So what are “the consequences” - managerialated to death somehow? Trick them into forming a "blue-ribbon task force" and host 50 town halls to draft a green paper about drafting a white paper? Trap them in an offsite weekend retreat to debate a mission statement about the reset governments use of the Union Jack, on basis it can’t possibly be the same as Starmer’s, can it? Hack the computer system to change the reporting lines of cabinet and ministerial departments every 48 hours, until no one knows who is in charge of what? Use Agent McFadden to introduce a strict Key Performance Indicator (KPI) framework with impossible contradictory metrics, something like increasing voter turnout while cutting all campaign engagement budgets. Useless Lucy would certainly fall it. Cancel all new swanky mobile phone upgrades for “red heads”, sit back and see what happens.
    There have been similar reports in other, admittedly right-leaning, media of shock and anger at the expulsion of Starmer supporters. It may well be that Burnham has gone too far in casting out all of the Starmerites. As argued on pb last week, he should have been aiming at a Cabinet balanced across all wings of the party. Whether any will be missed by the voter on the Clapham omnibus is another matter.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 41,029

    Andy_JS said:

    According to Nick Watt on Newsnight, there's already rancour on the part of Starmer supporters. He quotes one as saying, in response to Anas Sarwar's potential appointment:

    "Yet another senior figure who betrayed Keir rewarded. If Andy thinks there won't be consequences, he is going to be disappointed."

    The Starmerites don’t like being trolled. Well whoopee what a shock.

    So what are “the consequences” - managerialated to death somehow? Trick them into forming a "blue-ribbon task force" and host 50 town halls to draft a green paper about drafting a white paper? Trap them in an offsite weekend retreat to debate a mission statement about the reset governments use of the Union Jack, on basis it can’t possibly be the same as Starmer’s, can it? Hack the computer system to change the reporting lines of cabinet and ministerial departments every 48 hours, until no one knows who is in charge of what? Use Agent McFadden to introduce a strict Key Performance Indicator (KPI) framework with impossible contradictory metrics, something like increasing voter turnout while cutting all campaign engagement budgets. Useless Lucy would certainly fall it. Cancel all new swanky mobile phone upgrades for “red heads”, sit back and see what happens.
    There have been similar reports in other, admittedly right-leaning, media of shock and anger at the expulsion of Starmer supporters. It may well be that Burnham has gone too far in casting out all of the Starmerites. As argued on pb last week, he should have been aiming at a Cabinet balanced across all wings of the party. Whether any will be missed by the voter on the Clapham omnibus is another matter.
    The MP for Peckham has a prominent position in cabinet.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,313
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    According to Nick Watt on Newsnight, there's already rancour on the part of Starmer supporters. He quotes one as saying, in response to Anas Sarwar's potential appointment:

    "Yet another senior figure who betrayed Keir rewarded. If Andy thinks there won't be consequences, he is going to be disappointed."

    The Starmerites don’t like being trolled. Well whoopee what a shock.

    So what are “the consequences” - managerialated to death somehow? Trick them into forming a "blue-ribbon task force" and host 50 town halls to draft a green paper about drafting a white paper? Trap them in an offsite weekend retreat to debate a mission statement about the reset governments use of the Union Jack, on basis it can’t possibly be the same as Starmer’s, can it? Hack the computer system to change the reporting lines of cabinet and ministerial departments every 48 hours, until no one knows who is in charge of what? Use Agent McFadden to introduce a strict Key Performance Indicator (KPI) framework with impossible contradictory metrics, something like increasing voter turnout while cutting all campaign engagement budgets. Useless Lucy would certainly fall it. Cancel all new swanky mobile phone upgrades for “red heads”, sit back and see what happens.
    There have been similar reports in other, admittedly right-leaning, media of shock and anger at the expulsion of Starmer supporters. It may well be that Burnham has gone too far in casting out all of the Starmerites. As argued on pb last week, he should have been aiming at a Cabinet balanced across all wings of the party. Whether any will be missed by the voter on the Clapham omnibus is another matter.
    The MP for Peckham has a prominent position in cabinet.
    Miatta Fahnbulleh – MP for Peckham and the Clapham omnibus.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 91,021
    Andy Burnham's latest Ministerial appointments

    Dan Jarvis - Security Minister

    Anna Turley - Home Office Minister

    Kirsty McNeill - Foreign Office Minister

    James Murray - Financial Secretary to the Treasury and Paymaster General

    Lucy Rigby - Economic Secretary to the Treasury

    Catherine McKinnell - Justice Minister

    Katie White - Energy Security and Net Zero Minister

    Andrew Western - Work and Pensions Minister

    Dame Diana Johnson - Health and Social Care Minister

    Florence Eshalomi - Housing, Communities and Local Government Minister

    Kate Dearden - Business, Innovation, Science and Trade Minister

    Chris McDonald - Business, Innovation, Science and Trade Minister

    Ian Murray - Digital, Culture, Media and Sport Minister

    Emma Hardy - Environment, Food and Rural Affairs Minister

    Emma Foody - Government Whip

    Andy Slaughter - Solicitor General

    Rachel Blake, Nicholas Dakin, Baroness Chapman of Darlington, Lord Livermore, Lord Stockwood, Lord Whitehead, Lord Vallance and Lord Timpson have left Government

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2079684770607341970
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 91,021
    Ministers and whips who have been re-appointed:

    Stephen Doughty - Foreign Office Minister

    Sarah Jones - Home Office Minister

    Lord Hanson of Flint - Home Office Minister

    Sarah Sackman - Justice Minister

    Luke Pollard - Defence Minister

    Lord Coaker - Defence Minister

    Michael Shanks - Energy Security and Net Zero Minister

    Georgia Gould - Education Minister

    Sir Stephen Timms - Work and Pensions Minister

    Baroness Smith of Malvern - Work and Pensions and Education Minister

    Baroness Sherlock - Work and Pensions Minister

    Karin Smyth - Health and Social Care Minister

    Lord Hendy of Richmond Hill - Transport Minister

    Lord Kennedy of Southwark - Lords Chief Whip

    Sir Mark Tami - Deputy Chief Whip

    Gen Kitchen - Government Whip

    Baroness Smith of Cluny KC - HM Advocate General for Scotland

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2079685261752148123
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,579
    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    According to Nick Watt on Newsnight, there's already rancour on the part of Starmer supporters. He quotes one as saying, in response to Anas Sarwar's potential appointment:

    "Yet another senior figure who betrayed Keir rewarded. If Andy thinks there won't be consequences, he is going to be disappointed."

    The Starmerites don’t like being trolled. Well whoopee what a shock.

    So what are “the consequences” - managerialated to death somehow? Trick them into forming a "blue-ribbon task force" and host 50 town halls to draft a green paper about drafting a white paper? Trap them in an offsite weekend retreat to debate a mission statement about the reset governments use of the Union Jack, on basis it can’t possibly be the same as Starmer’s, can it? Hack the computer system to change the reporting lines of cabinet and ministerial departments every 48 hours, until no one knows who is in charge of what? Use Agent McFadden to introduce a strict Key Performance Indicator (KPI) framework with impossible contradictory metrics, something like increasing voter turnout while cutting all campaign engagement budgets. Useless Lucy would certainly fall it. Cancel all new swanky mobile phone upgrades for “red heads”, sit back and see what happens.
    There have been similar reports in other, admittedly right-leaning, media of shock and anger at the expulsion of Starmer supporters. It may well be that Burnham has gone too far in casting out all of the Starmerites. As argued on pb last week, he should have been aiming at a Cabinet balanced across all wings of the party. Whether any will be missed by the voter on the Clapham omnibus is another matter.
    The MP for Peckham has a prominent position in cabinet.
    Right Wing clap trap.

    Desperate in some cases.

    Healy , McFadden, Cooper , Alexanders, Streeting, both Reynolds are hardly left or soft left, not part of the very close Starmer cabal but not anything but Labour right.

    Rachel Reeves was offered a role, I think shes right to step down, her sister gets an effective promotion.

    No one would argue Haigh and Rayner were never coming back,Starmer had been encouraged to bring both back.

    Powell is the soft left equivalent of Kendall to the right. Neither are particularly capable but thts in reality a Starmer darling swop for a Burnham darling swap and Lucy is far more popular with the majority of MP's than Liz.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,623
    edited 5:03AM
    Who doesn’t like the smell of wild berries in the morning… (apart from russians)

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/2079746804506079691

    Edit: it gets better, there’s two lots of wild berries to smell today.

    https://x.com/bohuslavskakate/status/2079752608948863265
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,994

    Andy_JS said:

    According to Nick Watt on Newsnight, there's already rancour on the part of Starmer supporters. He quotes one as saying, in response to Anas Sarwar's potential appointment:

    "Yet another senior figure who betrayed Keir rewarded. If Andy thinks there won't be consequences, he is going to be disappointed."

    The Starmerites don’t like being trolled. Well whoopee what a shock.

    So what are “the consequences” - managerialated to death somehow? Trick them into forming a "blue-ribbon task force" and host 50 town halls to draft a green paper about drafting a white paper? Trap them in an offsite weekend retreat to debate a mission statement about the reset governments use of the Union Jack, on basis it can’t possibly be the same as Starmer’s, can it? Hack the computer system to change the reporting lines of cabinet and ministerial departments every 48 hours, until no one knows who is in charge of what? Use Agent McFadden to introduce a strict Key Performance Indicator (KPI) framework with impossible contradictory metrics, something like increasing voter turnout while cutting all campaign engagement budgets. Useless Lucy would certainly fall it. Cancel all new swanky mobile phone upgrades for “red heads”, sit back and see what happens.
    There have been similar reports in other, admittedly right-leaning, media of shock and anger at the expulsion of Starmer supporters. It may well be that Burnham has gone too far in casting out all of the Starmerites. As argued on pb last week, he should have been aiming at a Cabinet balanced across all wings of the party. Whether any will be missed by the voter on the Clapham omnibus is another matter.
    The Starmerites will be sat waiting for something to cross their desk - to start the fightback.

    Nothing will ever come...
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,611
    Brixian59 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Andy_JS said:

    According to Nick Watt on Newsnight, there's already rancour on the part of Starmer supporters. He quotes one as saying, in response to Anas Sarwar's potential appointment:

    "Yet another senior figure who betrayed Keir rewarded. If Andy thinks there won't be consequences, he is going to be disappointed."

    The Starmerites don’t like being trolled. Well whoopee what a shock.

    So what are “the consequences” - managerialated to death somehow? Trick them into forming a "blue-ribbon task force" and host 50 town halls to draft a green paper about drafting a white paper? Trap them in an offsite weekend retreat to debate a mission statement about the reset governments use of the Union Jack, on basis it can’t possibly be the same as Starmer’s, can it? Hack the computer system to change the reporting lines of cabinet and ministerial departments every 48 hours, until no one knows who is in charge of what? Use Agent McFadden to introduce a strict Key Performance Indicator (KPI) framework with impossible contradictory metrics, something like increasing voter turnout while cutting all campaign engagement budgets. Useless Lucy would certainly fall it. Cancel all new swanky mobile phone upgrades for “red heads”, sit back and see what happens.
    There have been similar reports in other, admittedly right-leaning, media of shock and anger at the expulsion of Starmer supporters. It may well be that Burnham has gone too far in casting out all of the Starmerites. As argued on pb last week, he should have been aiming at a Cabinet balanced across all wings of the party. Whether any will be missed by the voter on the Clapham omnibus is another matter.
    The MP for Peckham has a prominent position in cabinet.
    Right Wing clap trap.

    Desperate in some cases.

    Healy , McFadden, Cooper , Alexanders, Streeting, both Reynolds are hardly left or soft left, not part of the very close Starmer cabal but not anything but Labour right.

    Rachel Reeves was offered a role, I think shes right to step down, her sister gets an effective promotion.

    No one would argue Haigh and Rayner were never coming back,Starmer had been encouraged to bring both back.

    Powell is the soft left equivalent of Kendall to the right. Neither are particularly capable but thts in reality a Starmer darling swop for a Burnham darling swap and Lucy is far more popular with the majority of MP's than Liz.
    Powell is also Deputy Leader, so has her own mandate.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,622

    Convicted fraudster Louise Haigh stripped of oversight of fraud office

    Brief for tackling public sector scams handed to Pat McFadden, the Work and Pensions Secretary, instead


    Louise Haigh, a convicted fraudster, is being stripped of responsibility for tackling public sector fraud in her new Cabinet role.

    Ms Haigh, the new Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, was appointed to Andy Burnham’s top team on Monday.

    She admitted misleading police more than a decade ago after wrongly telling officers her work phone had been stolen when she was “mugged while on a night out” in 2013.

    She claimed she initially believed the phone had been taken but later found the handset at home.

    The following year, six months before she became an MP, Ms Haigh pleaded guilty to making a false report to police and was handed a conditional discharge by magistrates. It is understood that the conviction is now classified as “spent”.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5183178a9c7f99c2

    Will she be the first one to be sacked after all the media attacks on her honesty. It may be 'spent' but not in people's minds.

    And Sanwar to the HoL. What a reward for a backstabber (and failure in Scotland)
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,887

    NEW THREAD

  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,579
    Battlebus said:

    Convicted fraudster Louise Haigh stripped of oversight of fraud office

    Brief for tackling public sector scams handed to Pat McFadden, the Work and Pensions Secretary, instead


    Louise Haigh, a convicted fraudster, is being stripped of responsibility for tackling public sector fraud in her new Cabinet role.

    Ms Haigh, the new Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, was appointed to Andy Burnham’s top team on Monday.

    She admitted misleading police more than a decade ago after wrongly telling officers her work phone had been stolen when she was “mugged while on a night out” in 2013.

    She claimed she initially believed the phone had been taken but later found the handset at home.

    The following year, six months before she became an MP, Ms Haigh pleaded guilty to making a false report to police and was handed a conditional discharge by magistrates. It is understood that the conviction is now classified as “spent”.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5183178a9c7f99c2

    Will she be the first one to be sacked after all the media attacks on her honesty. It may be 'spent' but not in people's minds.

    And Sanwar to the HoL. What a reward for a backstabber (and failure in Scotland)
    Burnham is a far smarter politician than Starmer.

    Expect some long over due kick backs!

    Farage is already in the gutter

    The web hacking and Uni/College USA Offer lying leader of the Opposition has gotten away very very lightly with those serious mis-steps so far. Expect that to change and the Tories have many skeletons in a lot of closets on the mainly Sunak era front bench!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,791

    nico67 said:

    Convicted fraudster Louise Haigh stripped of oversight of fraud office

    Brief for tackling public sector scams handed to Pat McFadden, the Work and Pensions Secretary, instead


    Louise Haigh, a convicted fraudster, is being stripped of responsibility for tackling public sector fraud in her new Cabinet role.

    Ms Haigh, the new Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, was appointed to Andy Burnham’s top team on Monday.

    She admitted misleading police more than a decade ago after wrongly telling officers her work phone had been stolen when she was “mugged while on a night out” in 2013.

    She claimed she initially believed the phone had been taken but later found the handset at home.

    The following year, six months before she became an MP, Ms Haigh pleaded guilty to making a false report to police and was handed a conditional discharge by magistrates. It is understood that the conviction is now classified as “spent”.


    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/5183178a9c7f99c2

    The headline seems ridiculously over the top . I mean what did she have to gain from misleading police and I tend to think it was a genuine mistake . She should of course have informed the police immediately that she had found her phone .
    I've seen the following sequence play out in the early company mobile phone era, circa 2000 (so a decade earlier):-

    1. Person: I want a new phone
    2. Person to HR: my phone's been nicked. Please get me a new one.
    3. HR to Person: OK, here's a new phone. We'll claim it on insurance.
    4. HR to Insurance: an employee's had their phone nicked, send money.
    5. Insurance to HR: we need a crime number.
    6. HR to Person: we need a crime number.
    7. Person to Police: my phone's been nicked. I need a crime number.

    Maybe adding the mugging claim prompted the police actually to investigate and it all unravelled from there.

    But who knows? It's embarrassing but hardly crime of the century.
    I only robbed one bank , still a criminal
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,791

    Andy Burnham makes first Labour figure to call for Starmer to quit a minister

    Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, will be a minister in the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade after accepting a place in the Lords


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-anas-sarwar-starmer-minister-lords-3w7tkhpnz

    Rewarding disloyalty and failure... good move Andy
    You are so partisan.
    Sarwar has been a poor leader for SLab.

    Rewarding him with a peerage and a government job seems undeserved.
    Are you new to politics?
    Why are so concerned about my opinions? Seems unnecessarily personal...
    It's tedious to read, a bit like Brixian's posts at times.

    For example you seemed be to shocked that Burnham had appointed a non lawyer as Lord Chancellor, this is not unprecedented.

    In the last decade or so the Tories appointed at least four non lawyers to the role.

    Chris Grayling, Michael Gove, Liz Truss, and David Lidington.
    Although TBF three of the names off the list you quote do not bode well.
    One of the many tragedies of Brexit was it ended Michael Gove's tenure as Justice Secretary, he was going to be transformative, he realised the justice system focuses too much on punishment and not on rehabilitation and a lot of people come out of prison as worse people.
    He was totally useless, pity he had not been rumbled years before
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,728

    nico67 said:

    Small boat arrivals are down 47% compared to the same time last year .

    This can’t be attributed to unfavourable weather conditions .

    There’s been none in the last ten days . I look forward to the media reporting on this , cue tumbleweed …….

    The current figure to 20 July (12,469) is not just 47% down on the 23,534 who had arrived this time last year. It is also substantially lower than it was at the same stage in any of the last 4 years. The next lowest of the preceding 4 years was 14,362 to 20 July 2023.

    But as you say, this isn't going to be reported. It doesn't fit the narrative that the rate of immigration in general is rising not falling and is out of control.

    This is the equivalent of inflation falling, prices still going up.

    Yes the rate at which people are entering the country illegally is falling, but the aggregate number of illegal migrants in the country continues to rise.
    It doesn’t. Deportations are up. The asylum backlog is down.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,224
    malcolmg said:

    Andy Burnham makes first Labour figure to call for Starmer to quit a minister

    Anas Sarwar, the Scottish Labour leader, will be a minister in the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade after accepting a place in the Lords


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-anas-sarwar-starmer-minister-lords-3w7tkhpnz

    Rewarding disloyalty and failure... good move Andy
    You are so partisan.
    Sarwar has been a poor leader for SLab.

    Rewarding him with a peerage and a government job seems undeserved.
    Are you new to politics?
    Why are so concerned about my opinions? Seems unnecessarily personal...
    It's tedious to read, a bit like Brixian's posts at times.

    For example you seemed be to shocked that Burnham had appointed a non lawyer as Lord Chancellor, this is not unprecedented.

    In the last decade or so the Tories appointed at least four non lawyers to the role.

    Chris Grayling, Michael Gove, Liz Truss, and David Lidington.
    Although TBF three of the names off the list you quote do not bode well.
    One of the many tragedies of Brexit was it ended Michael Gove's tenure as Justice Secretary, he was going to be transformative, he realised the justice system focuses too much on punishment and not on rehabilitation and a lot of people come out of prison as worse people.
    He was totally useless, pity he had not been rumbled years before
    *Raises hand rather irritably*
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