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  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,345

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING

    Angela Rayner returns as secretary of state for housing, communities and local government. It's less than 10 months after she left govt over her unpaid stamp duty bill

    A big role in the new government given council housebuilding programme and devolution agenda

    Lucy Powell is the new education secretary

    Bridget Phillipson is left with minister for women and equalities. She remains a full member of cabinet

    Johnny Reynolds is now the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade - sounds like suggestion DSIT is dead is true

    Anneliese Midgeley is chief whip

    *Shudder*

    Powell is a very weak option.


    Powell has for the past year played a pretty pivotal role in facilitating Burnham's journey to No 10, and Starmer's exit from it.

    I wonder if Starmer regards her as weak.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,332
    Looks as if Anneliese Midgley moves straight from the backbenches to the Cabinet as Chief Whip. Signal for a more relaxed regime as promised by Burnham?
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 20,050
    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING

    Angela Rayner returns as secretary of state for housing, communities and local government. It's less than 10 months after she left govt over her unpaid stamp duty bill

    A big role in the new government given council housebuilding programme and devolution agenda

    Lucy Powell is the new education secretary

    Bridget Phillipson is left with minister for women and equalities. She remains a full member of cabinet

    Johnny Reynolds is now the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade - sounds like suggestion DSIT is dead is true

    Anneliese Midgeley is chief whip

    Powell has strong views about student tuition fees. I suspect universities might be a focus, also because they are in financial crisis
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,590
    eek said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    biggles said:

    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    One assumes Ed has been placed there to appease the left. He probably wasn't Burnham's top choice for the job.

    Andy_JS said:

    One assumes Ed has been placed there to appease the left. He probably wasn't Burnham's top choice for the job.

    He's been appointed foreign secretary so he's got no say over domestic policy. It's also akin to N Ireland at the moment with Trump in the White House, trying to play nice while being belittled and mocked.

    Do we have any suggestions for the pet moronic tax policies that the Treasury will get Healey to implement?
    I'm thinking pasty and caravan tax level, stuff that costs more than it could ever raise.

    VED on ebikes or income tax on feed-in-tariff credits.
    It’ll be a push on “fairness” based on harmonising things like income tax and CGT. He’ll balance it out with things like a basic rate cut.
    Merge NIC and Income Tax and a basic rate cut would absolutely be affordable.
    I'll call it for:

    1 - The zero tax income band being synchronised with basic pension.
    2 - The 100k cliff edge being sorted (this may be me hopecasting).
    3 - Something modest being done on triple lock.
    4 - Some tweaks around savings or income for wealthy people.
    5 - Something on Council Tax. I'm speculating to myself about a rapid full revaluation, followed by a Proportional Property Tax to build on it by 2030.

    Success for me will be 2/5 correct. Very success will be 3/5 right.
    2- could be sold as part of a package restoring the Personal allowance to all and a 50% higher additional rate.
    zero chance of a revaluation of council tax - it would take years
    Why? The original valuation was done at speed back in the early nineties.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,924

    del

    Rodney
    "Alright, Dave?"
    I've just been Triggered!
    I've been a victim of this myself. A colleague was convinced I was called the name of one of our technical team. No idea why. Lasted for ages.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,924

    Chris Bryant has also gone in. Wales?

    Underpants secretary, one assumes
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,360
    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Moved

    • Ed Miliband is in as Foreign Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is in as Health Secretary
    • Louise Haigh is in as First Secretary of State
    Departed
    • Darren Jones is out as chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
    • David Lammy is out as Justice Secretary and Deputy PM
    • Ed Miliband is out as Energy Secretary
    • Hilary Benn is out as Northern Ireland Secretary
    • Jenny Chapman is out as international development minister
    • Jo Stevens is out as Wales Secretary
    • Liz Kendall is out as Technology Secretary
    • Nick Thomas-Symonds is out as paymaster general and Cabinet Office minister
    • Peter Kyle is out as Business Secretary
    • Rachel Reeves is out as Chancellor
    • Richard Hermer is out as Attorney General
    • Steve Reed is out as Housing Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is out as Foreign Secretary
    • ? is out as Health Secretary
    • ? is out as First Secretary Of State
    Remains
    • Pat McFadden remains as Work and Pensions Secretary
    • Shabhana Mahmood remains as Home Secretary
    As yet unassigned
    • Angela Rayner
    • Wes Streeting
    • Bridget Phillipson
    • Lucy Powell
    • Anneliese Midgley
    • Lisa Nandy
    • Ellie Reeves
    • Chris Bryant
    Anybody I've missed?
    Quite a few since there are 400-odd Labour MPs.
    Presumably Douglas Alexander is staying on as Scottish Secretary, despite his links to Mandelson.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,590
    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Moved

    • Ed Miliband is in as Foreign Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is in as Health Secretary
    • Louise Haigh is in as First Secretary of State
    Departed
    • Darren Jones is out as chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
    • David Lammy is out as Justice Secretary and Deputy PM
    • Ed Miliband is out as Energy Secretary
    • Hilary Benn is out as Northern Ireland Secretary
    • Jenny Chapman is out as international development minister
    • Jo Stevens is out as Wales Secretary
    • Liz Kendall is out as Technology Secretary
    • Nick Thomas-Symonds is out as paymaster general and Cabinet Office minister
    • Peter Kyle is out as Business Secretary
    • Rachel Reeves is out as Chancellor
    • Richard Hermer is out as Attorney General
    • Steve Reed is out as Housing Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is out as Foreign Secretary
    • ? is out as Health Secretary
    • ? is out as First Secretary Of State
    Remains
    • Pat McFadden remains as Work and Pensions Secretary
    • Shabhana Mahmood remains as Home Secretary
    As yet unassigned
    • Angela Rayner
    • Wes Streeting
    • Bridget Phillipson
    • Lucy Powell
    • Anneliese Midgley
    • Lisa Nandy
    • Ellie Reeves
    • Chris Bryant
    Anybody I've missed?
    Quite a few since there are 400-odd Labour MPs.
    I would expect Miatta Fattenbullah to pop up somewhere.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,590

    Chris Bryant has also gone in. Wales?

    Underpants secretary, one assumes
    Is he having a briefing?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,154
    Foxy said:

    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Moved

    • Ed Miliband is in as Foreign Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is in as Health Secretary
    • Louise Haigh is in as First Secretary of State
    Departed
    • Darren Jones is out as chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
    • David Lammy is out as Justice Secretary and Deputy PM
    • Ed Miliband is out as Energy Secretary
    • Hilary Benn is out as Northern Ireland Secretary
    • Jenny Chapman is out as international development minister
    • Jo Stevens is out as Wales Secretary
    • Liz Kendall is out as Technology Secretary
    • Nick Thomas-Symonds is out as paymaster general and Cabinet Office minister
    • Peter Kyle is out as Business Secretary
    • Rachel Reeves is out as Chancellor
    • Richard Hermer is out as Attorney General
    • Steve Reed is out as Housing Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is out as Foreign Secretary
    • ? is out as Health Secretary
    • ? is out as First Secretary Of State
    Remains
    • Pat McFadden remains as Work and Pensions Secretary
    • Shabhana Mahmood remains as Home Secretary
    As yet unassigned
    • Angela Rayner
    • Wes Streeting
    • Bridget Phillipson
    • Lucy Powell
    • Anneliese Midgley
    • Lisa Nandy
    • Ellie Reeves
    • Chris Bryant
    Anybody I've missed?
    Quite a few since there are 400-odd Labour MPs.
    I would expect Miatta Fattenbullah to pop up somewhere.
    She is inside No10 at the moment
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,306

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING

    Angela Rayner returns as secretary of state for housing, communities and local government. It's less than 10 months after she left govt over her unpaid stamp duty bill

    A big role in the new government given council housebuilding programme and devolution agenda

    Lucy Powell is the new education secretary

    Bridget Phillipson is left with minister for women and equalities. She remains a full member of cabinet

    Johnny Reynolds is now the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade - sounds like suggestion DSIT is dead is true

    Anneliese Midgeley is chief whip

    *Shudder*

    Powell is a very weak option.


    Education clearly not a priority for Burnham.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,323
    edited July 20
    Moved
    • Ed Miliband is in as Foreign Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is in as Health Secretary
    • Louise Haigh is in as First Secretary of State
    • Angela Rayner is in as Housing Secretary
    • Lucy Powell is in as Education Secretary
    • Johnny Reynolds is in as Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade
    • Anneliese Midgeley is in as Chief Whip
    • Jonathan Reynolds is in as Business Secretary,
    Departed
    • Bridget Phillipson is out as Education Secretary
    • Darren Jones is out as chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
    • David Lammy is out as Justice Secretary and Deputy PM
    • Ed Miliband is out as Energy Secretary
    • Hilary Benn is out as Northern Ireland Secretary
    • Jenny Chapman is out as international development minister
    • Jo Stevens is out as Wales Secretary
    • Jonathan Reynolds is out as Chief Whip
    • Liz Kendall is out as Technology Secretary
    • Nick Thomas-Symonds is out as paymaster general and Cabinet Office minister
    • Peter Kyle is out as Business Secretary
    • Rachel Reeves is out as Chancellor
    • Richard Hermer is out as Attorney General
    • Steve Reed is out as Housing Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is out as Foreign Secretary
    • ? is out as Health Secretary
    • ? is out as First Secretary Of State
    • ? is out as DSIT
    Remains
    • Pat McFadden remains as Work and Pensions Secretary
    • Shabhana Mahmood remains as Home Secretary
    • Bridget Phillipson remains as Minister for Women and Equalities
    As yet unassigned
    • Wes Streeting
    • Lisa Nandy
    • Ellie Reeves
    • Chris Bryant
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,306
    glw said:

    Taz said:

    Burnham has lost Owen Jones


    “ Appointing John Healey as Chancellor is a big red flag.

    There's no evidence he supports any sort of transformative economic agenda.

    He does support hiking diverting money from the NHS, education and frontline services in favour of bombs, though!”


    https://x.com/owenjonesjourno/status/2079255578455535904?s=61

    In an ideal world we'd have no bombs. But we live in a world where Putin is completely nuts, and may even be on the cusp of staging an attack on a NATO member, perhaps as an attempt to force a deal with Ukraine that he can live with, or to fold and excuse his failure by saying Russia was fighting all of NATO. So maybe we actually do need some bombs.
    I initially read that as no boobs, and then wondered what fucking planet you were living on.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,323
    AnneJGP said:

    viewcode said:

    Moved

    • Ed Miliband is in as Foreign Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is in as Health Secretary
    • Louise Haigh is in as First Secretary of State
    Departed
    • Darren Jones is out as chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
    • David Lammy is out as Justice Secretary and Deputy PM
    • Ed Miliband is out as Energy Secretary
    • Hilary Benn is out as Northern Ireland Secretary
    • Jenny Chapman is out as international development minister
    • Jo Stevens is out as Wales Secretary
    • Liz Kendall is out as Technology Secretary
    • Nick Thomas-Symonds is out as paymaster general and Cabinet Office minister
    • Peter Kyle is out as Business Secretary
    • Rachel Reeves is out as Chancellor
    • Richard Hermer is out as Attorney General
    • Steve Reed is out as Housing Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is out as Foreign Secretary
    • ? is out as Health Secretary
    • ? is out as First Secretary Of State
    Remains
    • Pat McFadden remains as Work and Pensions Secretary
    • Shabhana Mahmood remains as Home Secretary
    As yet unassigned
    • Angela Rayner
    • Wes Streeting
    • Bridget Phillipson
    • Lucy Powell
    • Anneliese Midgley
    • Lisa Nandy
    • Ellie Reeves
    • Chris Bryant
    Anybody I've missed?
    Quite a few since there are 400-odd Labour MPs.
    Yes, but I was referring to those who have departed their jobs and those who are in Downing Street
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,360
    Foxy said:

    Chris Bryant has also gone in. Wales?

    Underpants secretary, one assumes
    Is he having a briefing?
    Y?
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,119
    Foxy said:

    eek said:

    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    biggles said:

    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    One assumes Ed has been placed there to appease the left. He probably wasn't Burnham's top choice for the job.

    Andy_JS said:

    One assumes Ed has been placed there to appease the left. He probably wasn't Burnham's top choice for the job.

    He's been appointed foreign secretary so he's got no say over domestic policy. It's also akin to N Ireland at the moment with Trump in the White House, trying to play nice while being belittled and mocked.

    Do we have any suggestions for the pet moronic tax policies that the Treasury will get Healey to implement?
    I'm thinking pasty and caravan tax level, stuff that costs more than it could ever raise.

    VED on ebikes or income tax on feed-in-tariff credits.
    It’ll be a push on “fairness” based on harmonising things like income tax and CGT. He’ll balance it out with things like a basic rate cut.
    Merge NIC and Income Tax and a basic rate cut would absolutely be affordable.
    I'll call it for:

    1 - The zero tax income band being synchronised with basic pension.
    2 - The 100k cliff edge being sorted (this may be me hopecasting).
    3 - Something modest being done on triple lock.
    4 - Some tweaks around savings or income for wealthy people.
    5 - Something on Council Tax. I'm speculating to myself about a rapid full revaluation, followed by a Proportional Property Tax to build on it by 2030.

    Success for me will be 2/5 correct. Very success will be 3/5 right.
    2- could be sold as part of a package restoring the Personal allowance to all and a 50% higher additional rate.
    zero chance of a revaluation of council tax - it would take years
    Why? The original valuation was done at speed back in the early nineties.
    Just revalue at last sold price plus a regional house price index by property type (flat, semi, detached etc).

    There will be winners and losers versus what is theoretically fair, but that's the cost of timeliness. And a more work intense methodology would take years and still productive winners and losers.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,306
    biggles said:

    Clearly the remaining cabinet positions are being decided through a form of celebrity death match.

    Not sure I want Wes Streeting for Defence.

    He's not serious enough and a bit of a joke figure.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,505
    edited July 20

    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING

    Angela Rayner returns as secretary of state for housing, communities and local government. It's less than 10 months after she left govt over her unpaid stamp duty bill

    A big role in the new government given council housebuilding programme and devolution agenda

    Lucy Powell is the new education secretary

    Bridget Phillipson is left with minister for women and equalities. She remains a full member of cabinet

    Johnny Reynolds is now the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade - sounds like suggestion DSIT is dead is true

    Anneliese Midgeley is chief whip

    *Shudder*

    Powell is a very weak option.


    Education clearly not a priority for Burnham.
    Science and Technology and Business seeming less so too. Getting rid of DSIT and reappointing the lying lawyer with no business experience to the role he failed at before.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,345
    viewcode said:

    Moved

    • Ed Miliband is in as Foreign Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is in as Health Secretary
    • Louise Haigh is in as First Secretary of State
    Departed
    • Darren Jones is out as chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
    • David Lammy is out as Justice Secretary and Deputy PM
    • Ed Miliband is out as Energy Secretary
    • Hilary Benn is out as Northern Ireland Secretary
    • Jenny Chapman is out as international development minister
    • Jo Stevens is out as Wales Secretary
    • Liz Kendall is out as Technology Secretary
    • Nick Thomas-Symonds is out as paymaster general and Cabinet Office minister
    • Peter Kyle is out as Business Secretary
    • Rachel Reeves is out as Chancellor
    • Richard Hermer is out as Attorney General
    • Steve Reed is out as Housing Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is out as Foreign Secretary
    • ? is out as Health Secretary
    • ? is out as First Secretary Of State
    Remains
    • Pat McFadden remains as Work and Pensions Secretary
    • Shabhana Mahmood remains as Home Secretary
    As yet unassigned
    • Angela Rayner
    • Wes Streeting
    • Bridget Phillipson
    • Lucy Powell
    • Anneliese Midgley
    • Lisa Nandy
    • Ellie Reeves
    • Chris Bryant
    Anybody I've missed?
    Both Reynolds:
    Emma Reynolds at DEFRA unassigned.
    Jonathan Reynolds moved to Business Sec

    And Rayner, Phillipson, Powell and Midgley are all assigned now.



  • Streeting has gone in there - Times Radio saying Justice Sec?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,306
    Foxy said:

    Chris Bryant has also gone in. Wales?

    Underpants secretary, one assumes
    Is he having a briefing?
    It must really drive him crazy he can't escape that decades on.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,154
    Angela Eagle for Defra? FFS

    Miatta has got Energy which is a huge job for someone so new
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,119

    biggles said:

    Clearly the remaining cabinet positions are being decided through a form of celebrity death match.

    Not sure I want Wes Streeting for Defence.

    He's not serious enough and a bit of a joke figure.
    He's serious enough about his career and did a decent enough job at Health.

    Only way to make progress at defence is lobby to improve our armed forces and support Ukraine. With Healey at number 11 he should be pushing at an open door.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,306
    JohnO said:

    Looks as if Anneliese Midgley moves straight from the backbenches to the Cabinet as Chief Whip. Signal for a more relaxed regime as promised by Burnham?

    He says that, and he also says he'll brook no argument with his vision and plan - which will need whipping.

    Both things can't be true.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,408
    Have to say it's been a tremendous day of winning on my BF account.

    Thanks PB!!!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,625

    biggles said:

    Clearly the remaining cabinet positions are being decided through a form of celebrity death match.

    Not sure I want Wes Streeting for Defence.

    He's not serious enough and a bit of a joke figure.
    You must be mixing him up with Miliband.

    Or Ed Davey.
  • interestedinterested Posts: 66
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Dopermean said:

    MattW said:

    biggles said:

    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    One assumes Ed has been placed there to appease the left. He probably wasn't Burnham's top choice for the job.

    Andy_JS said:

    One assumes Ed has been placed there to appease the left. He probably wasn't Burnham's top choice for the job.

    He's been appointed foreign secretary so he's got no say over domestic policy. It's also akin to N Ireland at the moment with Trump in the White House, trying to play nice while being belittled and mocked.

    Do we have any suggestions for the pet moronic tax policies that the Treasury will get Healey to implement?
    I'm thinking pasty and caravan tax level, stuff that costs more than it could ever raise.

    VED on ebikes or income tax on feed-in-tariff credits.
    It’ll be a push on “fairness” based on harmonising things like income tax and CGT. He’ll balance it out with things like a basic rate cut.
    Merge NIC and Income Tax and a basic rate cut would absolutely be affordable.
    I'll call it for:

    1 - The zero tax income band being synchronised with basic pension.
    2 - The 100k cliff edge being sorted (this may be me hopecasting).
    3 - Something modest being done on triple lock.
    4 - Some tweaks around savings or income for wealthy people.
    5 - Something on Council Tax. I'm speculating to ,myself about a rapid full revaluation, followed by a Proportional Property Tax to build on it by 2030.

    Success for me will be 2/5 correct. Very success will be 3/5 right.
    5 is my favourite, hard-pressed renters tax to pay for northern homeowners' bin collections.

    McTernan called it, if you don't appoint a strong Chancellor with a plan then you get the Treasury and policy which is austerity and pet tax policy changes. Healey went native at Defence, so he'll be run by the Treasury.
    My favourite would be encouraging those who live in dwellings that have had massive increases in value since 1991, on which increase they by default have not paid Council Tax, to at last pay what should be owed.

    (Yes, I know how it is calculated.)

    This includes me in some measure.

    Were it me I'd tell them to have it place by the tax year 27-28. That would wake up the civil service.
    What should be owed. So people who paid mortgages, maintenance costs, council taxes on an asset that is in physical real terms is no different from what they bought should be penalised. Anyway how would you distinguish between those that bought 20 years ago and those that bought last year?
    I'm referring to future payments not historic. Historic losses are a sunk cost. We cannot easily correct the past in this case, only ebnsure that the future is better.

    Even in the flawed CT system, I would wish that a revaluation had been done every decade since 1991, but recognise that that is now a sunk cost. Not to have done regular revaluations was absurd.

    It might even have helped in some minor way to stabilise our crazy house price fluctuations.
    You said “those people who live in dwellings that have had massive increases in value since 1991 on which increase they by default have not paid council Tax, to at last pay what should be owed.” Sounds like you were talking about the past.

    Now you say you are only talking about the future.

    So how do you know there will be gains and what they will be, what about those buying at current prices.

    Seems to me all you are talking about is an increase in council tax. Nothing to do with gains. Just they have a property that they may well have borrowed a lot of money to buy so I expect them to pay disproportionately.
  • interestedinterested Posts: 66
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Dopermean said:

    MattW said:

    biggles said:

    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    One assumes Ed has been placed there to appease the left. He probably wasn't Burnham's top choice for the job.

    Andy_JS said:

    One assumes Ed has been placed there to appease the left. He probably wasn't Burnham's top choice for the job.

    He's been appointed foreign secretary so he's got no say over domestic policy. It's also akin to N Ireland at the moment with Trump in the White House, trying to play nice while being belittled and mocked.

    Do we have any suggestions for the pet moronic tax policies that the Treasury will get Healey to implement?
    I'm thinking pasty and caravan tax level, stuff that costs more than it could ever raise.

    VED on ebikes or income tax on feed-in-tariff credits.
    It’ll be a push on “fairness” based on harmonising things like income tax and CGT. He’ll balance it out with things like a basic rate cut.
    Merge NIC and Income Tax and a basic rate cut would absolutely be affordable.
    I'll call it for:

    1 - The zero tax income band being synchronised with basic pension.
    2 - The 100k cliff edge being sorted (this may be me hopecasting).
    3 - Something modest being done on triple lock.
    4 - Some tweaks around savings or income for wealthy people.
    5 - Something on Council Tax. I'm speculating to ,myself about a rapid full revaluation, followed by a Proportional Property Tax to build on it by 2030.

    Success for me will be 2/5 correct. Very success will be 3/5 right.
    5 is my favourite, hard-pressed renters tax to pay for northern homeowners' bin collections.

    McTernan called it, if you don't appoint a strong Chancellor with a plan then you get the Treasury and policy which is austerity and pet tax policy changes. Healey went native at Defence, so he'll be run by the Treasury.
    My favourite would be encouraging those who live in dwellings that have had massive increases in value since 1991, on which increase they by default have not paid Council Tax, to at last pay what should be owed.

    (Yes, I know how it is calculated.)

    This includes me in some measure.

    Were it me I'd tell them to have it place by the tax year 27-28. That would wake up the civil service.
    What should be owed. So people who paid mortgages, maintenance costs, council taxes on an asset that is in physical real terms is no different from what they bought should be penalised. Anyway how would you distinguish between those that bought 20 years ago and those that bought last year?
    I'm referring to future payments not historic. Historic losses are a sunk cost. We cannot easily correct the past in this case, only ebnsure that the future is better.

    Even in the flawed CT system, I would wish that a revaluation had been done every decade since 1991, but recognise that that is now a sunk cost. Not to have done regular revaluations was absurd.

    It might even have helped in some minor way to stabilise our crazy house price fluctuations.
    You said “those people who live in dwellings that have had massive increases in value since 1991 on which increase they by default have not paid council Tax, to at last pay what should be owed.” Sounds like you were talking about the past.

    Now you say you are only talking about the future.

    So how do you know there will be gains and what they will be, what about those buying at current prices.

    Seems to me all you are talking about is an increase in council tax. Nothing to do with gains. Just they have a property that they may well have borrowed a lot of money to buy so I expect them to pay disproportionately.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,154

    Streeting has gone in there - Times Radio saying Justice Sec?

    Can a non lawyer really be Lord Chancellor?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,323
    edited July 20
    Moved
    • Angela Rayner is in as Housing Secretary
    • Anneliese Midgeley is in as Chief Whip
    • Ed Miliband is in as Foreign Secretary
    • Emma Reynolds is in as DEFRA unassigned
    • Jonathan Reynolds is in as Business Secretary aka Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade
    • Louise Haigh is in as First Secretary of State
    • Lucy Powell is in as Education Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is in as Health Secretary
    Departed
    • Bridget Phillipson is out as Education Secretary
    • Darren Jones is out as chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
    • David Lammy is out as Justice Secretary and Deputy PM
    • Ed Miliband is out as Energy Secretary
    • Hilary Benn is out as Northern Ireland Secretary
    • Jenny Chapman is out as international development minister
    • Jo Stevens is out as Wales Secretary
    • Jonathan Reynolds is out as Chief Whip
    • Liz Kendall is out as Technology Secretary
    • Miatta Fahnbulleh is out as Housing Minister
    • Nick Thomas-Symonds is out as paymaster general and Cabinet Office minister
    • Peter Kyle is out as Business Secretary
    • Rachel Reeves is out as Chancellor
    • Richard Hermer is out as Attorney General
    • Steve Reed is out as Housing Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is out as Foreign Secretary
    • ? is out as Health Secretary
    • ? is out as First Secretary Of State
    • ? is out as DSIT
    Remains
    • Bridget Phillipson remains as Minister for Women and Equalities
    • Pat McFadden remains as Work and Pensions Secretary
    • Shabhana Mahmood remains as Home Secretary
    As yet unassigned
    • Alex Norris
    • Angela Eagle
    • Angela Smith
    • Chris Bryant
    • Ellie Reeves
    • Emma Reynolds
    • Heidi Alexander
    • Lisa Nandy
    • Matthew Pennycook
    • Miatta Fahnbulleh
    • Wes Streeting
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,590

    Angela Eagle for Defra? FFS

    Miatta has got Energy which is a huge job for someone so new

    Smart cookie and good media performer, with a PhD from the LSE. Quite strong on climate change.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,360

    Foxy said:

    Chris Bryant has also gone in. Wales?

    Underpants secretary, one assumes
    Is he having a briefing?
    It must really drive him crazy he can't escape that decades on.
    I know. Its pants!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,306
    James_M said:

    So the new department is Business, Innovation, Science and Trade...Office. BIST-O. Suitably northern.

    Will the new Secretary of State get on the gravy train?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,590

    Foxy said:

    Chris Bryant has also gone in. Wales?

    Underpants secretary, one assumes
    Is he having a briefing?
    It must really drive him crazy he can't escape that decades on.
    I know. Its pants!
    He is likely to be caught in the slips.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,360
    With all today’s action, I assume @TheScreamingEagles is on holiday.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,332

    JohnO said:

    Looks as if Anneliese Midgley moves straight from the backbenches to the Cabinet as Chief Whip. Signal for a more relaxed regime as promised by Burnham?

    He says that, and he also says he'll brook no argument with his vision and plan - which will need whipping.

    Both things can't be true.
    Oh, I agree but it's an interesting appointment. Can't recall a backbencher - and one only elected two years ago - going straight to be Chief Whip.
  • Streeting has gone in there - Times Radio saying Justice Sec?

    Can a non lawyer really be Lord Chancellor?
    Tories appointed plenty of non lawyers to the role. Gove, Truss...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,408
    Powell at education?

    Call me sceptical to say the least.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,408
    Johnny Reynolds is in as Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade


    Do I detect the stirrings of the Ministry of Economic Affairs?


  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,360

    Johnny Reynolds is in as Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade


    Do I detect the stirrings of the Ministry of Economic Affairs?


    Who is getting the Ministry of Administrative Affairs?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,154
    Given there is a Cabinet Meeting in the morning, Andy needs to get a wriggle on.

    This has gone on too long.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,345

    JohnO said:

    Looks as if Anneliese Midgley moves straight from the backbenches to the Cabinet as Chief Whip. Signal for a more relaxed regime as promised by Burnham?

    He says that, and he also says he'll brook no argument with his vision and plan - which will need whipping.

    Both things can't be true.
    Corbyn kept the whip for 13 years while rebelling hundreds of times against the Blair and Brown governments.
    Starmer removed the whip from 7 MPs within one month of becoming PM, and didn't stop there.

    So whipping is a matter of degree, and with 400 MPs Burnham can choose which path to take.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,080
    edited July 20
    Surprised that Phillipson wanted to stay in the cabinet. A potential member of the awkward squad from the backbenches.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,332

    Johnny Reynolds is in as Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade


    Do I detect the stirrings of the Ministry of Economic Affairs?


    To mastermind the National Plan?

    Forget about the 1980s, we're back to 1965. Sadly, Johnny Reynolds is no George Brown.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,080
    The one good thing about appointing Rayner as Housing Secretary again is that it gives us the chance for a controlled test. If she succeeds this time in increasing the rate of housebuilding, then we will have verified quite how bad Starmer's leadership of his Cabinet was, in that he will have been shown to have inhibited Rayner from being a success the first time.

    Rather unexpectedly, it would appear that Burnham has the heart and soul of a scientist.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,323
    edited July 20
    Moved
    • Angela Rayner is in as Housing Secretary
    • Anneliese Midgeley is in as Chief Whip
    • Ed Miliband is in as Foreign Secretary
    • Emma Reynolds is in as DEFRA unassigned
    • Jonathan Reynolds is in as Business Secretary aka Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade
    • Miatta Fahnbulleh is in as Energy and Net Zero Secretary
    • Louise Haigh is in as First Secretary of State
    • Lucy Powell is in as Education Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is in as Health Secretary
    Departed
    • Bridget Phillipson is out as Education Secretary
    • Darren Jones is out as chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
    • David Lammy is out as Justice Secretary and Deputy PM
    • Ed Miliband is out as Energy Secretary
    • Hilary Benn is out as Northern Ireland Secretary
    • Jenny Chapman is out as international development minister
    • Jo Stevens is out as Wales Secretary
    • Jonathan Reynolds is out as Chief Whip
    • Liz Kendall is out as Technology Secretary
    • Miatta Fahnbulleh is out as Housing Minister
    • Nick Thomas-Symonds is out as paymaster general and Cabinet Office minister
    • Peter Kyle is out as Business Secretary
    • Rachel Reeves is out as Chancellor
    • Richard Hermer is out as Attorney General
    • Steve Reed is out as Housing Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is out as Foreign Secretary
    • ? is out as Health Secretary
    • ? is out as First Secretary Of State
    • ? is out as DSIT (department merged into Business and Trade, which will be renamed as the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade)
    Remains
    • Bridget Phillipson remains as Minister for Women and Equalities
    • Pat McFadden remains as Work and Pensions Secretary
    • Shabhana Mahmood remains as Home Secretary
    As yet unassigned
    • Alex Norris
    • Angela Eagle
    • Angela Smith
    • Chris Bryant
    • Ellie Reeves
    • Emma Reynolds
    • Heidi Alexander
    • Lisa Nandy
    • Matthew Pennycook
    • Wes Streeting
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,360
    JohnO said:

    Johnny Reynolds is in as Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade


    Do I detect the stirrings of the Ministry of Economic Affairs?


    To mastermind the National Plan?

    Forget about the 1980s, we're back to 1965. Sadly, Johnny Reynolds is no George Brown.
    Why? Is he sober?
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,080
    Is there really still no appointment for Defence?
    Has Al Carns kidnapped all the other contenders?
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,345
    Miatta Fahnbulleh appointed as Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero.

    Formerly a minister for energy consumers she is seen as a close ally of Ed Miliband.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,306

    Is there really still no appointment for Defence?
    Has Al Carns kidnapped all the other contenders?

    It's very slow.

    I can't be arsed staying up for it.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,408

    Miatta Fahnbulleh appointed as Secretary of State for Energy Security and Net Zero.

    Formerly a minister for energy consumers she is seen as a close ally of Ed Miliband.

    Drill baby drill?

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,323

    Johnny Reynolds is in as Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade


    Do I detect the stirrings of the Ministry of Economic Affairs?


    Who is getting the Ministry of Administrative Affairs?
    Department for Administrative Affairs, although Hacker was the Minister for Administrative Affairs before becoming PM. The 1980s DAA is canonically based on the 1960s DEA
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,408

    JohnO said:

    Johnny Reynolds is in as Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade


    Do I detect the stirrings of the Ministry of Economic Affairs?


    To mastermind the National Plan?

    Forget about the 1980s, we're back to 1965. Sadly, Johnny Reynolds is no George Brown.
    Why? Is he sober?
    Maybe that's the problem?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,408

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    ·
    29m
    This is how mental tonight is

    The great
    @SamCoatesSky
    reveals that there are currently ***13*** Cabinet hopefuls waiting in Number 10 to learn their fate
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,154
    Nandy staying at CMS
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,505


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    ·
    29m
    This is how mental tonight is

    The great
    @SamCoatesSky
    reveals that there are currently ***13*** Cabinet hopefuls waiting in Number 10 to learn their fate

    Has somebody not done their homework again?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,505
    edited July 20
    del
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,711


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    ·
    29m
    This is how mental tonight is

    The great
    @SamCoatesSky
    reveals that there are currently ***13*** Cabinet hopefuls waiting in Number 10 to learn their fate

    Hope they're all standing in a row up the staircase...
  • James_MJames_M Posts: 110
    Anyone spot Louie Walsh go in? Maybe they are doing X Factor auditions!
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,345
    JohnO said:

    Johnny Reynolds is in as Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade


    Do I detect the stirrings of the Ministry of Economic Affairs?


    To mastermind the National Plan?

    Forget about the 1980s, we're back to 1965. Sadly, Johnny Reynolds is no George Brown.
    Burnham's 10 Year National Plan could be quite significant in fiscal terms.

    You can justify a lot of public spending as an investment if you look at the potential savings that flow from it over a 10 year horizon rather than the much shorter one favoured by Treasury othodoxy. So it could be seen as a means to loosen the pursestrings without jeopardising the fiscal balance in the very long term.

  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,154


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    ·
    29m
    This is how mental tonight is

    The great
    @SamCoatesSky
    reveals that there are currently ***13*** Cabinet hopefuls waiting in Number 10 to learn their fate

    Are there 13 jobs still available?

    No sign of Douglas Alexander.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,345


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    ·
    29m
    This is how mental tonight is

    The great
    @SamCoatesSky
    reveals that there are currently ***13*** Cabinet hopefuls waiting in Number 10 to learn their fate

    Cabinet musical chairs, with lots of chairs missing.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 862
    Here's an odd situation ...
    I had to look up who Anneliese Midgley was, transpires she is MP for Knowsley. The previous MP for Knowsley, Sir George Howarth died recently. Used to see him sitting up the backbenches near Corbyn before he was prominent. But it appears that no one knows when he died. Wiki hasn't updated it yet, only that the Speaker announce it earlier this month.

    If anyone wants to update Wiki, now is your chance.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Howarth
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,811
    Have we done the fella who has been charged with the Anne Widdecombe murder? I hope I'm not acting in dubious legal territory to mention that my initial reaction is that he looks a right dick: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4n2erympvo
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 926
    Cookie said:

    Have we done the fella who has been charged with the Anne Widdecombe murder? I hope I'm not acting in dubious legal territory to mention that my initial reaction is that he looks a right dick: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4n2erympvo

    Certainly doesn't look 28. More like 48.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,323
    edited July 20
    Moved
    • Angela Rayner is in as Housing Secretary
    • Anneliese Midgeley is in as Chief Whip
    • Ed Miliband is in as Foreign Secretary
    • Emma Reynolds is in as DEFRA unassigned
    • Jonathan Reynolds is in as Business Secretary aka Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade
    • Miatta Fahnbulleh is in as Energy and Net Zero Secretary
    • Louise Haigh is in as First Secretary of State
    • Lucy Powell is in as Education Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is in as Health Secretary
    Departed
    • Bridget Phillipson is out as Education Secretary
    • Darren Jones is out as chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
    • David Lammy is out as Justice Secretary and Deputy PM
    • Ed Miliband is out as Energy Secretary
    • Hilary Benn is out as Northern Ireland Secretary
    • Jenny Chapman is out as international development minister
    • Jo Stevens is out as Wales Secretary
    • Jonathan Reynolds is out as Chief Whip
    • Liz Kendall is out as Technology Secretary
    • Miatta Fahnbulleh is out as Housing Minister
    • Nick Thomas-Symonds is out as paymaster general and Cabinet Office minister
    • Peter Kyle is out as Business Secretary
    • Rachel Reeves is out as Chancellor
    • Richard Hermer is out as Attorney General
    • Steve Reed is out as Housing Secretary
    • Yvette Cooper is out as Foreign Secretary
    • ? is out as Health Secretary
    • ? is out as First Secretary Of State
    • ? is out as DSIT (department merged into Business and Trade, which will be renamed as the Department for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade)
    Remains
    • Bridget Phillipson remains as Minister for Women and Equalities
    • Lisa Nandy remains as Culture Secretary (department renamed as the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport)
    • Pat McFadden remains as Work and Pensions Secretary
    • Shabhana Mahmood remains as Home Secretary
    As yet unassigned
    • Alex Norris
    • Angela Eagle
    • Angela Smith
    • Chris Bryant
    • Douglas Alexander
    • Ellie Reeves
    • Emma Reynolds
    • Heidi Alexander
    • Matthew Pennycook
    • Stephen Kinnock
    • Wes Streeting
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,505
    edited July 20
    Gaussian said:

    Cookie said:

    Have we done the fella who has been charged with the Anne Widdecombe murder? I hope I'm not acting in dubious legal territory to mention that my initial reaction is that he looks a right dick: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4n2erympvo

    Certainly doesn't look 28. More like 48.
    The CCTV footage he looked even older than that.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,981
    edited July 20
    Cookie said:

    Have we done the fella who has been charged with the Anne Widdecombe murder? I hope I'm not acting in dubious legal territory to mention that my initial reaction is that he looks a right dick: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn4n2erympvo

    28?
    Going on 48.

    Edit. I see Gaussian shares my opinion.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,238
    I wonder if he might split DfID back out?
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 5,021


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    ·
    29m
    This is how mental tonight is

    The great
    @SamCoatesSky
    reveals that there are currently ***13*** Cabinet hopefuls waiting in Number 10 to learn their fate

    The old politician's dozen.
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 926


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    ·
    29m
    This is how mental tonight is

    The great
    @SamCoatesSky
    reveals that there are currently ***13*** Cabinet hopefuls waiting in Number 10 to learn their fate

    Cabinet musical chairs, with lots of chairs missing.
    Including Streeting, hopefully to be offered a job as a junior minister for nothing in particular.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 862
    carnforth said:


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    ·
    29m
    This is how mental tonight is

    The great
    @SamCoatesSky
    reveals that there are currently ***13*** Cabinet hopefuls waiting in Number 10 to learn their fate

    Hope they're all standing in a row up the staircase...
    Burnham will need a bigger staircase to fit all the new 'ex PM' photos on it
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,345
    Stephen Kinnock and Douglas Alexander also in No 10.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,154
    Stephen Kinnock and Douglas Alexander now join the Downing Street party

  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,238

    Stephen Kinnock and Douglas Alexander also in No 10.

    Welsh and Scottish Secretaries I expect.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 862

    Stephen Kinnock and Douglas Alexander also in No 10.

    Dougie due a reward for his efforts leading the Holyrood election campaign
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,323


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    ·
    29m
    This is how mental tonight is

    The great
    @SamCoatesSky
    reveals that there are currently ***13*** Cabinet hopefuls waiting in Number 10 to learn their fate

    I reckon eleven, thus:

    Alex Norris
    Angela Eagle
    Angela Smith
    Chris Bryant
    Douglas Alexander
    Ellie Reeves
    Emma Reynolds
    Heidi Alexander
    Matthew Pennycook
    Stephen Kinnock
    Wes Streeting

    Who have I missed?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,154
    viewcode said:


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    ·
    29m
    This is how mental tonight is

    The great
    @SamCoatesSky
    reveals that there are currently ***13*** Cabinet hopefuls waiting in Number 10 to learn their fate

    I reckon eleven, thus:

    Alex Norris
    Angela Eagle
    Angela Smith
    Chris Bryant
    Douglas Alexander
    Ellie Reeves
    Emma Reynolds
    Heidi Alexander
    Matthew Pennycook
    Stephen Kinnock
    Wes Streeting

    Who have I missed?
    Sky reported that Eagle has got DEFRA
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,408

    Stephen Kinnock and Douglas Alexander now join the Downing Street party

    I'm beginning to feel I have been left out! Everyone is there.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 862
    viewcode said:


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    ·
    29m
    This is how mental tonight is

    The great
    @SamCoatesSky
    reveals that there are currently ***13*** Cabinet hopefuls waiting in Number 10 to learn their fate

    I reckon eleven, thus:

    Alex Norris
    Angela Eagle
    Angela Smith
    Chris Bryant
    Douglas Alexander
    Ellie Reeves
    Emma Reynolds
    Heidi Alexander
    Matthew Pennycook
    Stephen Kinnock
    Wes Streeting

    Who have I missed?
    Colonel Mustard, in the billiard room, with the candlestick. Last man/woman standing gets to be NI secretary
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,345
    Gaussian said:


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    ·
    29m
    This is how mental tonight is

    The great
    @SamCoatesSky
    reveals that there are currently ***13*** Cabinet hopefuls waiting in Number 10 to learn their fate

    Cabinet musical chairs, with lots of chairs missing.
    Including Streeting, hopefully to be offered a job as a junior minister for nothing in particular.
    If so he'll need to have brought a sleeping bag and a change of underwear with him, because junior appointments won't be made until tomorrow.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 20,050

    Nandy staying at CMS

    Burnham leaving a placeholder in place. Clearly he's not interested in either culture or Nandy
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,860
    Foxy said:

    MattW said:

    biggles said:

    Dopermean said:

    Andy_JS said:

    One assumes Ed has been placed there to appease the left. He probably wasn't Burnham's top choice for the job.

    Andy_JS said:

    One assumes Ed has been placed there to appease the left. He probably wasn't Burnham's top choice for the job.

    He's been appointed foreign secretary so he's got no say over domestic policy. It's also akin to N Ireland at the moment with Trump in the White House, trying to play nice while being belittled and mocked.

    Do we have any suggestions for the pet moronic tax policies that the Treasury will get Healey to implement?
    I'm thinking pasty and caravan tax level, stuff that costs more than it could ever raise.

    VED on ebikes or income tax on feed-in-tariff credits.
    It’ll be a push on “fairness” based on harmonising things like income tax and CGT. He’ll balance it out with things like a basic rate cut.
    Merge NIC and Income Tax and a basic rate cut would absolutely be affordable.
    I'll call it for:

    1 - The zero tax income band being synchronised with basic pension.
    2 - The 100k cliff edge being sorted (this may be me hopecasting).
    3 - Something modest being done on triple lock.
    4 - Some tweaks around savings or income for wealthy people.
    5 - Something on Council Tax. I'm speculating to myself about a rapid full revaluation, followed by a Proportional Property Tax to build on it by 2030.

    Success for me will be 2/5 correct. Very success will be 3/5 right.
    2- could be sold as part of a package restoring the Personal allowance to all and a 50% higher additional rate.
    Agreed.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,408
    A Labour source says: "A lot of enemies to make on day one, all because Andy can’t say no to his mates."

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/2079309035057143864
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,323

    viewcode said:


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    ·
    29m
    This is how mental tonight is

    The great
    @SamCoatesSky
    reveals that there are currently ***13*** Cabinet hopefuls waiting in Number 10 to learn their fate

    I reckon eleven, thus:

    Alex Norris
    Angela Eagle
    Angela Smith
    Chris Bryant
    Douglas Alexander
    Ellie Reeves
    Emma Reynolds
    Heidi Alexander
    Matthew Pennycook
    Stephen Kinnock
    Wes Streeting

    Who have I missed?
    Sky reported that Eagle has got DEFRA
    Thank you. I thought Emma Reynolds got DEFRA.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 862
    edited July 20

    viewcode said:


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    ·
    29m
    This is how mental tonight is

    The great
    @SamCoatesSky
    reveals that there are currently ***13*** Cabinet hopefuls waiting in Number 10 to learn their fate

    I reckon eleven, thus:

    Alex Norris
    Angela Eagle
    Angela Smith
    Chris Bryant
    Douglas Alexander
    Ellie Reeves
    Emma Reynolds
    Heidi Alexander
    Matthew Pennycook
    Stephen Kinnock
    Wes Streeting

    Who have I missed?
    Sky reported that Eagle has got DEFRA
    Very appropriate appointment.

    White tailed, bald or golden?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,860
    Scott_xP said:

    @Steven_Swinford
    BREAKING

    Angela Rayner returns as secretary of state for housing, communities and local government. It's less than 10 months after she left govt over her unpaid stamp duty bill

    A big role in the new government given council housebuilding programme and devolution agenda

    Lucy Powell is the new education secretary

    Bridget Phillipson is left with minister for women and equalities. She remains a full member of cabinet

    Johnny Reynolds is now the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation, Science and Trade - sounds like suggestion DSIT is dead is true

    Anneliese Midgeley is chief whip

    To be fair, housing is something she now knows rather more about.
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,332
    viewcode said:


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    ·
    29m
    This is how mental tonight is

    The great
    @SamCoatesSky
    reveals that there are currently ***13*** Cabinet hopefuls waiting in Number 10 to learn their fate

    I reckon eleven, thus:

    Alex Norris
    Angela Eagle
    Angela Smith
    Chris Bryant
    Douglas Alexander
    Ellie Reeves
    Emma Reynolds
    Heidi Alexander
    Matthew Pennycook
    Stephen Kinnock
    Wes Streeting

    Who have I missed?
    Poor James Murray whose tenure as Health Secretary was shorter than Liz Truss as PM? But he isn't (yet) on the sacked list.....
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,981
    FF43 said:

    Nandy staying at CMS

    Burnham leaving a placeholder in place. Clearly he's not interested in either culture or Nandy
    Nandy and Burnham go back a long way.
    They were and are again neighbouring MP's.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,431
    viewcode said:


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    ·
    29m
    This is how mental tonight is

    The great
    @SamCoatesSky
    reveals that there are currently ***13*** Cabinet hopefuls waiting in Number 10 to learn their fate

    I reckon eleven, thus:

    Alex Norris
    Angela Eagle
    Angela Smith
    Chris Bryant
    Douglas Alexander
    Ellie Reeves
    Emma Reynolds
    Heidi Alexander
    Matthew Pennycook
    Stephen Kinnock
    Wes Streeting

    Who have I missed?
    How many jobs left?

    After this, he's got all the junior ministers to do. Trouble with this job- it comes at you fast. Like the punch that shatters any plans you may have had beforehand.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,323
    DoctorG said:

    viewcode said:


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    ·
    29m
    This is how mental tonight is

    The great
    @SamCoatesSky
    reveals that there are currently ***13*** Cabinet hopefuls waiting in Number 10 to learn their fate

    I reckon eleven, thus:

    Alex Norris
    Angela Eagle
    Angela Smith
    Chris Bryant
    Douglas Alexander
    Ellie Reeves
    Emma Reynolds
    Heidi Alexander
    Matthew Pennycook
    Stephen Kinnock
    Wes Streeting

    Who have I missed?
    Colonel Mustard, in the billiard room, with the candlestick. Last man/woman standing gets to be NI secretary
    I'm beginning to think he invites two people into the room, offers them one role, and the first one to say yes gets it. It would explain Miliband and Mahmood
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,408

    Rowland Manthorpe
    @rowlsmanthorpe
    Reliably informed that the decision to scrap DSIT originated in the Cabinet Office, where Antonia Romeo wants to have control over AI - although of course it was signed off by Team Burnham, who don't see AI as a major priority

    Apparently this goes right back to Starmer's decision to move GDS away from the Cabinet Office and into DSIT

    Not just the politicians who play politics

    https://x.com/rowlsmanthorpe/status/2079298459476074707
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 5,021

    A Labour source says: "A lot of enemies to make on day one, all because Andy can’t say no to his mates."

    https://x.com/KevinASchofield/status/2079309035057143864

    The Starmer counter-revolution begins here.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,154
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    ·
    29m
    This is how mental tonight is

    The great
    @SamCoatesSky
    reveals that there are currently ***13*** Cabinet hopefuls waiting in Number 10 to learn their fate

    I reckon eleven, thus:

    Alex Norris
    Angela Eagle
    Angela Smith
    Chris Bryant
    Douglas Alexander
    Ellie Reeves
    Emma Reynolds
    Heidi Alexander
    Matthew Pennycook
    Stephen Kinnock
    Wes Streeting

    Who have I missed?
    Sky reported that Eagle has got DEFRA
    Thank you. I thought Emma Reynolds got DEFRA.
    Sky haven't repeated it so may not be reliable
  • glwglw Posts: 10,954


    Rowland Manthorpe
    @rowlsmanthorpe
    Reliably informed that the decision to scrap DSIT originated in the Cabinet Office, where Antonia Romeo wants to have control over AI - although of course it was signed off by Team Burnham, who don't see AI as a major priority

    Apparently this goes right back to Starmer's decision to move GDS away from the Cabinet Office and into DSIT

    Not just the politicians who play politics

    https://x.com/rowlsmanthorpe/status/2079298459476074707

    Hmm, we are screwed.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,505
    edited July 20
    Something clearly hasn't gone quite right. There is no way after weeks of Haigh interviewing people would they have not had their cabinet sorted. But now we are at 10.30pm and there is a football team worth of MPs standing around in #10 to find out if they made the team or got the Jordon Henderson role.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,154
    dixiedean said:

    FF43 said:

    Nandy staying at CMS

    Burnham leaving a placeholder in place. Clearly he's not interested in either culture or Nandy
    Nandy and Burnham go back a long way.
    They were and are again neighbouring MP's.
    Doesn't mean she is up to the task. She is a poor media performer who can't handle pressure
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