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  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,574

    Odd that Cooper wasn't flagged as a sacking earlier...

    Given she has walked down Downing Streer in front of the cameras is it job switch.
    She will have got a job she wanted. Long-term ally of Burnham.
    Defence?
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,538

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think British politics is finally about to stabilize.

    Burnham will win en election (probably in Spring) meaning he'll be PM for longer than anyone since Cameron. Farage is imploding. He won't lead REF at the election. As a result, Reform will fall apart amid much very entertaining recrimination and in-fighting.

    Conservatives are alive thanks to Kemi. When Labour eventually gets turfed out the Tories will take over...

    The two-party system survives... We endure!












    If we have a gilt strike in September, I'm the new Ragersarmus! 😂


    Quite a few people across the divide have suggested Farage won’t lead Reform.

    Conversely I think that may help them. On a micro level I know people, like my in-laws, who should be certs for Reform but won’t touch it because of him.

    Of course he will attract others. Would they stay ?
    Farage leaving would help Reform, seriously?

    You must be seeing something in Bob, Suella, Richard or Zia that I'm not seeing.
    Plus the assumption is therefore that the growing funding scandal won't have any affect on the Party, only its leaders? Colour me sceptical on that one. Carole Cadwallader seems quite convinced that the ST has the dirt that links Moscow and Clacton...
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,740
    viewcode said:

    MikeL said:

    Miliband Foreign Secretary

    Oh, bugger. He's being moved from a role he had a real talent for, to one he doesn't have an obvious skill at.
    Not really.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,606
    viewcode said:

    DavidL said:

    viewcode said:

    We are now up to 11 individuals who sat around the cabinet table of previous Prime Minister Keir Starmer who have been sacked or left the government now that Andy Burnham is in No 10.

    Indeed. Departures so far

    Darren Jones is out as chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
    David Lammy is out as Justice Secretary and Deputy PM
    Hilary Benn is out as Northern Ireland Secretary
    Jenny Chapman is out as international development minister
    Jo Stevens is out as Wales Secretary
    Liz Kendall is out as Technology Secretary
    Nick Thomas-Symonds is out as paymaster general and Cabinet Office minister
    Peter Kyle is out as Business Secretary
    Rachel Reeves is out as Chancellor
    Richard Hermer is out as Attorney General
    Steve Reed is out as Housing Secretary
    Richard Hermer's departure is surely a great relief and the end of the ridiculous Chagos deal. Good riddence.
    One hopes, certainly
    Hermer might lose out on some of his spec fee but them's the breaks.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,791

    Lol BBC has just posted an entry in it's live feed

    Who is Ed Miliband?

    What are the chances of anyone who ins interested enough to follow that feed not know who Ed is?

    Worth every penny

    https://x.com/scottygb/status/2078859979755233403?s=61
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,574
    What about Wes?
  • Suspect charged in Anne Widdecombe murder.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,690
    Angela Rayner now walking up Downing Street
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,999

    Lol BBC has just posted an entry in it's live feed

    Who is Ed Miliband?

    What are the chances of anyone who ins interested enough to follow that feed not know who Ed is?

    Does it mention the bacon sandwich and the Edstone?
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,675

    John Healey is COE

    Money for defence !!!
    From where exactly? There’s no magic money trees. 🙂

    Healey is a hopeless out of touch politician with zero communication skills.
    What Labour is doing to itself today is delicious.
    Casino's happy to make a contribution, I hear.
    I've argued consistently for a 2p increase in basic and top rate to fully fund defence, as you know.

    So less of that lip.
    That's a bit rich, given the insults you've hurled at me over the years.

    But I forgive you - you (and others on here) save me from the echo chamber of my progressive friends.
    My name calling and insult of you got deleted. I was so close to quitting at that point, so disappointed was I.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,162
    HYUFD said:

    Angela Rayner now walking up Downing Street

    In her best Deidre Barlow glasses
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,727
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think British politics is finally about to stabilize.

    Burnham will win en election (probably in Spring) meaning he'll be PM for longer than anyone since Cameron. Farage is imploding. He won't lead REF at the election. As a result, Reform will fall apart amid much very entertaining recrimination and in-fighting.

    Conservatives are alive thanks to Kemi. When Labour eventually gets turfed out the Tories will take over...

    The two-party system survives... We endure!












    If we have a gilt strike in September, I'm the new Ragersarmus! 😂


    Quite a few people across the divide have suggested Farage won’t lead Reform.

    Conversely I think that may help them. On a micro level I know people, like my in-laws, who should be certs for Reform but won’t touch it because of him.

    Of course he will attract others. Would they stay ?
    Farage leaving would help Reform, seriously?

    You must be seeing something in Bob, Suella, Richard or Zia that I'm not seeing.
    I said ‘may’ not ‘will’

    He’s very marmite.
    All of Reform are very marmite. The party is very marmite.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,675
    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    New Labour returns. Things can only get …

    Hardly, this looks like a Brown government with a Corbynite twinge replacing a vaguely New Labour government if anything, just with Burnham a bit more charismatic than Brown
    Spot on HY.

    I’m not so sure this has been wholly a Burnham purge, as different wing and faction of a party not seeing themselves sitting in a Burnham cabinet, having to deliver Burnham’s bizarre back to seventies manifesto they don’t agree with. Would you choose to be in Burnham’s cabinet with the likes of Louise Haigh and Useless Lucy barking at you to raise your game?

    As I said weeks ago, with the Burnham takeover, it’s not so much Burnham himself but that horror show of uselessness around him that will be his cabinet.

    Let’s see Burnham’s cabinet come under pressure in their jobs - as you always will no matter how good or shit you are in government ministries - then how they manage facing the media. Starmer’s government collectively may not have great reputation for decisiveness and delivery, but individually there was talent especially in communication - the difference between Reeves doing a Chancellor media round, and Healey, will be chalk and cheese.

    Just like the US Democrats to replace Biden as candidate, Labour really needed a contest here. They certainly would have been more united on the other side of it, than they are tonight without one. Great day today for Farage and Kemi Badenoch, just as the Democrats mess up was for Trump.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,486

    DougSeal said:

    Anyone predict the CoE? Anyone?

    Henry VIII?
    Mahmood as Catherine of Aragon

    You must think that I'm crazy
    You wanna replace me?
    Baby, there's n-n-n-n-n-n-no way
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,531
    Yvette, Lisa and Angela all in No 10.

    "When shall we three meet again?"
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,311
    HYUFD said:

    Angela Rayner now walking up Downing Street

    Oh God
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,999
    HYUFD said:

    Angela Rayner now walking up Downing Street

    She is going to be health minister isn’t she? The irony
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,690

    HYUFD said:

    Battlebus said:

    New Labour returns. Things can only get …

    Hardly, this looks like a Brown government with a Corbynite twinge replacing a vaguely New Labour government if anything, just with Burnham a bit more charismatic than Brown
    Spot on HY.

    I’m not so sure this has been wholly a Burnham purge, as different wing and faction of a party not seeing themselves sitting in a Burnham cabinet, having to deliver Burnham’s bizarre back to seventies manifesto they don’t agree with. Would you choose to be in Burnham’s cabinet with the likes of Louise Haigh and Useless Lucy barking at you to raise your game?

    As I said weeks ago, with the Burnham takeover, it’s not so much Burnham himself but that horror show of uselessness around him that will be his cabinet.

    Let’s see Burnham’s cabinet come under pressure in their jobs - as you always will no matter how good or shit you are in government ministries - then how they manage facing the media. Starmer’s government collectively may not have great reputation for decisiveness and delivery, but individually there was talent especially in communication - the difference between Reeves doing a Chancellor media round, and Healey, will be chalk and cheese.

    Just like the US Democrats to replace Biden as candidate, Labour really needed a contest here. They certainly would have been more united on the other side of it, than they are tonight without one. Great day today for Farage and Kemi Badenoch, just as the Democrats mess up was for Trump.
    To an extent but I expect Burnham to get a poll bounce nonetheless, he also has more charisma and is a better communicator than Harris was even if policy wise they are not miles apart
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,531

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think British politics is finally about to stabilize.

    Burnham will win en election (probably in Spring) meaning he'll be PM for longer than anyone since Cameron. Farage is imploding. He won't lead REF at the election. As a result, Reform will fall apart amid much very entertaining recrimination and in-fighting.

    Conservatives are alive thanks to Kemi. When Labour eventually gets turfed out the Tories will take over...

    The two-party system survives... We endure!












    If we have a gilt strike in September, I'm the new Ragersarmus! 😂


    Quite a few people across the divide have suggested Farage won’t lead Reform.

    Conversely I think that may help them. On a micro level I know people, like my in-laws, who should be certs for Reform but won’t touch it because of him.

    Of course he will attract others. Would they stay ?
    Farage leaving would help Reform, seriously?

    You must be seeing something in Bob, Suella, Richard or Zia that I'm not seeing.
    I said ‘may’ not ‘will’

    He’s very marmite.
    All of Reform are very marmite. The party is very marmite.
    That's a terrible slur - mind the makers of Marmite don't sue.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,162
    edited July 20

    Yvette, Lisa and Angela all in No 10.

    "When shall we three meet again?"

    Nandy is really not up the job of running a jumble sale, let alone a major department.

    Philipson is even worse.

    Where are the equivalents of Mo Mowlam in the current party?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,085

    Suspect charged in Anne Widdecombe murder.

    I’m sure the timing of this announcement is entirely coincidental.
  • tlg86 said:

    Suspect charged in Anne Widdecombe murder.

    I’m sure the timing of this announcement is entirely coincidental.
    They had until tomorrow to question him, so not entirely surprising - Westminster Mags appearance tomorrow.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,311
    kinabalu said:

    What about Wes?

    He'll get the NI office or something, the perennial FU of British politics.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,749
    You have to laugh at all those political journalists and other pundits getting it so wrong on the next Chancellor. I think they convinced themselves that Mahmood was going to get the job, but with no evidence whatsoever.
    Congratulations to Burnham's team on being leak free: nobody, but nobody, put Healey in the frame.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,450

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think British politics is finally about to stabilize.

    Burnham will win en election (probably in Spring) meaning he'll be PM for longer than anyone since Cameron. Farage is imploding. He won't lead REF at the election. As a result, Reform will fall apart amid much very entertaining recrimination and in-fighting.

    Conservatives are alive thanks to Kemi. When Labour eventually gets turfed out the Tories will take over...

    The two-party system survives... We endure!












    If we have a gilt strike in September, I'm the new Ragersarmus! 😂


    Quite a few people across the divide have suggested Farage won’t lead Reform.

    Conversely I think that may help them. On a micro level I know people, like my in-laws, who should be certs for Reform but won’t touch it because of him.

    Of course he will attract others. Would they stay ?
    Farage leaving would help Reform, seriously?

    You must be seeing something in Bob, Suella, Richard or Zia that I'm not seeing.
    I said ‘may’ not ‘will’

    He’s very marmite.
    All of Reform are very marmite. The party is very marmite.
    That would leave the Tory party as beer, which doesn't quite work, but Reform as the scrapings definitely does.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,486

    You have to laugh at all those political journalists and other pundits getting it so wrong on the next Chancellor. I think they convinced themselves that Mahmood was going to get the job, but with no evidence whatsoever.
    Congratulations to Burnham's team on being leak free: nobody, but nobody, put Healey in the frame.

    I think Ben did.

    I think his predictions have been eerily accurate.

    Anyone see Ben and Burnham in the same room?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,989

    You have to laugh at all those political journalists and other pundits getting it so wrong on the next Chancellor. I think they convinced themselves that Mahmood was going to get the job, but with no evidence whatsoever.
    Congratulations to Burnham's team on being leak free: nobody, but nobody, put Healey in the frame.

    Although, he walked from office - making Starmer's position on the defence review untenable and firing the starting pistol for the transfer of power.

    He was always going to be well rewarded for that.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,661
    Cicero said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think British politics is finally about to stabilize.

    Burnham will win en election (probably in Spring) meaning he'll be PM for longer than anyone since Cameron. Farage is imploding. He won't lead REF at the election. As a result, Reform will fall apart amid much very entertaining recrimination and in-fighting.

    Conservatives are alive thanks to Kemi. When Labour eventually gets turfed out the Tories will take over...

    The two-party system survives... We endure!












    If we have a gilt strike in September, I'm the new Ragersarmus! 😂


    Quite a few people across the divide have suggested Farage won’t lead Reform.

    Conversely I think that may help them. On a micro level I know people, like my in-laws, who should be certs for Reform but won’t touch it because of him.

    Of course he will attract others. Would they stay ?
    Farage leaving would help Reform, seriously?

    You must be seeing something in Bob, Suella, Richard or Zia that I'm not seeing.
    Plus the assumption is therefore that the growing funding scandal won't have any affect on the Party, only its leaders? Colour me sceptical on that one. Carole Cadwallader seems quite convinced that the ST has the dirt that links Moscow and Clacton...
    The drip feeding of news every Sunday screams that the Sunday Times have enough to make Reform's finances being front page news throughout the Summer.
  • MonkeysMonkeys Posts: 883

    Lol BBC has just posted an entry in it's live feed

    Who is Ed Miliband?

    What are the chances of anyone who ins interested enough to follow that feed not know who Ed is?

    Does it mention the bacon sandwich and the Edstone?
    Some journalist should do a little story on what happened to the Edstone.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,855

    You have to laugh at all those political journalists and other pundits getting it so wrong on the next Chancellor. I think they convinced themselves that Mahmood was going to get the job, but with no evidence whatsoever.
    Congratulations to Burnham's team on being leak free: nobody, but nobody, put Healey in the frame.

    Meanwhile a few simpletons on PB were saying "She's doing a good job,why move her?"

  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,989

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think British politics is finally about to stabilize.

    Burnham will win en election (probably in Spring) meaning he'll be PM for longer than anyone since Cameron. Farage is imploding. He won't lead REF at the election. As a result, Reform will fall apart amid much very entertaining recrimination and in-fighting.

    Conservatives are alive thanks to Kemi. When Labour eventually gets turfed out the Tories will take over...

    The two-party system survives... We endure!












    If we have a gilt strike in September, I'm the new Ragersarmus! 😂


    Quite a few people across the divide have suggested Farage won’t lead Reform.

    Conversely I think that may help them. On a micro level I know people, like my in-laws, who should be certs for Reform but won’t touch it because of him.

    Of course he will attract others. Would they stay ?
    Farage leaving would help Reform, seriously?

    You must be seeing something in Bob, Suella, Richard or Zia that I'm not seeing.
    I said ‘may’ not ‘will’

    He’s very marmite.
    All of Reform are very marmite. The party is very marmite.
    That's a terrible slur - mind the makers of Marmite don't sue.
    Reform leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

    Marmite - not so much.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,685

    You have to laugh at all those political journalists and other pundits getting it so wrong on the next Chancellor. I think they convinced themselves that Mahmood was going to get the job, but with no evidence whatsoever.
    Congratulations to Burnham's team on being leak free: nobody, but nobody, put Healey in the frame.

    You have to laugh at all those political journalists and other pundits getting it so wrong on the next Chancellor. I think they convinced themselves that Mahmood was going to get the job, but with no evidence whatsoever.
    Congratulations to Burnham's team on being leak free: nobody, but nobody, put Healey in the frame.

    Ummm .... TSE has just reminded us upthread that kinabalu did



  • eekeek Posts: 34,661

    You have to laugh at all those political journalists and other pundits getting it so wrong on the next Chancellor. I think they convinced themselves that Mahmood was going to get the job, but with no evidence whatsoever.
    Congratulations to Burnham's team on being leak free: nobody, but nobody, put Healey in the frame.

    Meanwhile a few simpletons on PB were saying "She's doing a good job,why move her?"

    And those simpletons were 100% correct, why move someone who is seemingly actually managing the Home Office instead of being managed by it.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,927

    Suspect charged in Anne Widdecombe murder.

    No terrorist charges yet. Obviously hadn't got an I support Palestine Action t shirt in his closet...
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 20,051
    edited July 20
    DougSeal said:

    Anyone predict the CoE? Anyone?

    Somebody did.

    The misdirection briefing over chancellor is very funny.

    But fair play to the mysterious people who this morning and at lunchtime curiously backed John Healey for chancellor at odds of up to 130/1, days after the last time any bets been placed on him for the job with Betfair.


    https://bsky.app/profile/jim.londoncentric.media/post/3mr3u4r453c22
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,194
    FF43 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Anyone predict the CoE? Anyone?

    Somebody did.

    The misdirection briefing over chancellor is very funny.

    But fair play to the mysterious people who this morning and at lunchtime curiously backed John Healey for chancellor at odds of up to 130/1, days after the last time any bets been placed on him for the job with Betfair.


    https://bsky.app/profile/jim.londoncentric.media/post/3mr3u4r453c22
    Will this be investigated with the same vigour as the election bets? Thought not…
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,084
    HYUFD said:

    Healey Chancellor. A safe pair of hands but will be expected to implement Burnham's economic agenda

    It was always going to be interesting to see what job Healey got, if any, after resigning from Cabinet on a point of principle over policy.

    Provided he doesn't wreck his own reputation with a bungled budget Britain now has a chancellor with a strong political position. That's normally been a good thing, I think.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,685
    Well Andy Burnham, you never had my support but this is a promising start
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,749
    geoffw said:

    You have to laugh at all those political journalists and other pundits getting it so wrong on the next Chancellor. I think they convinced themselves that Mahmood was going to get the job, but with no evidence whatsoever.
    Congratulations to Burnham's team on being leak free: nobody, but nobody, put Healey in the frame.

    You have to laugh at all those political journalists and other pundits getting it so wrong on the next Chancellor. I think they convinced themselves that Mahmood was going to get the job, but with no evidence whatsoever.
    Congratulations to Burnham's team on being leak free: nobody, but nobody, put Healey in the frame.

    Ummm .... TSE has just reminded us upthread that kinabalu did



    I thought kinabalu's punt was Pat McFadden?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,531
    FF43 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Anyone predict the CoE? Anyone?

    Somebody did.

    The misdirection briefing over chancellor is very funny.

    But fair play to the mysterious people who this morning and at lunchtime curiously backed John Healey for chancellor at odds of up to 130/1, days after the last time any bets been placed on him for the job with Betfair.


    https://bsky.app/profile/jim.londoncentric.media/post/3mr3u4r453c22
    Oh-oh. Let's hope they can show themselves to be well outside the loop.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,302
    FF43 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Anyone predict the CoE? Anyone?

    Somebody did.

    The misdirection briefing over chancellor is very funny.

    But fair play to the mysterious people who this morning and at lunchtime curiously backed John Healey for chancellor at odds of up to 130/1, days after the last time any bets been placed on him for the job with Betfair.


    https://bsky.app/search?q=Healey+betfair+130
    Healey was backed into odds-on but then drifted back out to around 5 as late money came for Shabana Mahmood as she and Ed walked along Downing Street.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,791

    Suspect charged in Anne Widdecombe murder.

    No terrorist charges yet. Obviously hadn't got an I support Palestine Action t shirt in his closet...
    Talking of which

    UK police find no evidence of terror offence over the Islamic shindig

    https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-police-find-no-evidence-terror-offence-islamic-event-threat-probe-2026-07-18/
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,791
    RobD said:

    FF43 said:

    DougSeal said:

    Anyone predict the CoE? Anyone?

    Somebody did.

    The misdirection briefing over chancellor is very funny.

    But fair play to the mysterious people who this morning and at lunchtime curiously backed John Healey for chancellor at odds of up to 130/1, days after the last time any bets been placed on him for the job with Betfair.


    https://bsky.app/profile/jim.londoncentric.media/post/3mr3u4r453c22
    Will this be investigated with the same vigour as the election bets? Thought not…
    I wouldn’t bet on it.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,727
    Not that comfortable with Burnham sacking the more able Starmerite, however he has absolutely blindsided the Daily Telegraph with Healey.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,413

    Not that comfortable with Burnham sacking the more able Starmerite, however he has absolutely blindsided the Daily Telegraph with Healey.

    "You said defence need a bucket load more money. Well, now it's your job to find it."

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,531
    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Although Madri is fake Spanish and not sold in Spain IIRC
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,589
    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    I’m boycotting Malbec for a year (unless it’s from Cahors, obviously).
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,589
    edited July 20
    Why does Vanilla now always post me in duplicate?
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,162
    What on earth was Powell wearing?
  • Suspect charged in Anne Widdecombe murder.

    No terrorist charges yet. Obviously hadn't got an I support Palestine Action t shirt in his closet...
    CPS can lay additional charges at any time, assume they're having a good look at all his electronic devices. Allegedly was a moderator on a particularly loony Subreddit, so it might take them a while.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,589

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Although Madri is fake Spanish and not sold in Spain IIRC
    Twas the joke.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,727
    edited July 20
    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Mahou.

    Bless you.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,661

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Although Madri is fake Spanish and not sold in Spain IIRC
    That was Taz's joke which I think everyone else already got.

    We've discussed how fake Madri is mulitple times on here.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,413

    Suspect charged in Anne Widdecombe murder.

    Daily Mail lawyers breathe deep signs of relief.

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,311
    Taz said:

    GIN1138 said:

    I think British politics is finally about to stabilize.

    Burnham will win en election (probably in Spring) meaning he'll be PM for longer than anyone since Cameron. Farage is imploding. He won't lead REF at the election. As a result, Reform will fall apart amid much very entertaining recrimination and in-fighting.

    Conservatives are alive thanks to Kemi. When Labour eventually gets turfed out the Tories will take over...

    The two-party system survives... We endure!












    If we have a gilt strike in September, I'm the new Ragersarmus! 😂


    Quite a few people across the divide have suggested Farage won’t lead Reform.

    Conversely I think that may help them.
    Only if REF was a sensible, normal party. But they are not.

    REF is just a cult, and like all cults when they lose their leader, after the event, it will fall apart amid recrimination and in-fighting.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,239
    edited July 20
    MelonB said:

    I’m boycotting Malbec for a year (unless it’s from Cahors, obviously).

    I shall now solidly patronise Hawksmoor and avoid Gaucho.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,791
    MelonB said:

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    I’m boycotting Malbec for a year (unless it’s from Cahors, obviously).
    How’s your harvest shaping up this year ?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,531
    eek said:

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Although Madri is fake Spanish and not sold in Spain IIRC
    That was Taz's joke which I think everyone else already got.

    We've discussed how fake Madri is mulitple times on here.
    Ah fair point - my bad.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,685
    Isn't Madri Rodri's madre?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,606

    Yvette, Lisa and Angela all in No 10.

    "When shall we three meet again?"

    "Well, I can do next Tuesday".

    Wyrd Sisters,
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,589
    Taz said:

    MelonB said:

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    I’m boycotting Malbec for a year (unless it’s from Cahors, obviously).
    How’s your harvest shaping up this year ?
    Small because of frost in early May, but ripe because of heatwave ever since.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,531
    biggles said:

    MelonB said:

    I’m boycotting Malbec for a year (unless it’s from Cahors, obviously).

    I shall now solidly patronise Hawksmoor and avoid Gaucho.
    That would be a misteak
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,084
    In Russian War News, the Russian Ministry of Finance has announced an indefinite pause in government bond sales. This is a bit of an issue because Russia is running a large and growing budget deficit and has bonds maturing that need to be repaid.

    The main options would appear to be having the central bank print money, seizing bank deposits, or going cap in hand to the Chinese.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,413
    No time to waste...

    Kemi Badenoch

    @KemiBadenoch
    ·
    9m
    Congratulations to John Healey on his appointment.

    He can now ensure the Defence Investment Plan is properly funded. Conservatives will work with him to cut benefits so we can fund defence.

    Because we can’t have higher taxes or even more borrowing.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,413
    Yvette for defence?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,855
    Whether a lager with a Spanish name was originally brewed in Spain or not, the stuff you buy here is brewed in the UK anyway.


  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511
    People who drink Madri, worse than those that like Pineapple on pizza...discuss....
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511
    People who drink Madri, worse than those that like Pineapple on pizza...discuss....
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,791
    MelonB said:

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Although Madri is fake Spanish and not sold in Spain IIRC
    Twas the joke.
    Indeed.

    That’s the gag !!

    A pub in the Toon has a large display outside for Madri with “The spirit of Madrid” emblazoned on it.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,685

    In Russian War News, the Russian Ministry of Finance has announced an indefinite pause in government bond sales. This is a bit of an issue because Russia is running a large and growing budget deficit and has bonds maturing that need to be repaid.

    The main options would appear to be having the central bank print money, seizing bank deposits, or going cap in hand to the Chinese.

    This feels big. They could of course default on the repayments, or get bondholders to take a haircut ...

  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 1,095

    No time to waste...

    Kemi Badenoch

    @KemiBadenoch
    ·
    9m
    Congratulations to John Healey on his appointment.

    He can now ensure the Defence Investment Plan is properly funded. Conservatives will work with him to cut benefits so we can fund defence.

    Because we can’t have higher taxes or even more borrowing.

    But if the Bank of England organised things a bit better could have £20bn a year extra.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511
    Taz said:

    MelonB said:

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Although Madri is fake Spanish and not sold in Spain IIRC
    Twas the joke.
    Indeed.

    That’s the gag !!

    A pub in the Toon has a large display outside for Madri with “The spirit of Madrid” emblazoned on it.
    Whoever has done the marketing for them has knocked it out the park. Its amazing what people will fall for.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,565
    No sign of Wes Streeting !
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,486
    geoffw said:

    In Russian War News, the Russian Ministry of Finance has announced an indefinite pause in government bond sales. This is a bit of an issue because Russia is running a large and growing budget deficit and has bonds maturing that need to be repaid.

    The main options would appear to be having the central bank print money, seizing bank deposits, or going cap in hand to the Chinese.

    This feels big. They could of course default on the repayments, or get bondholders to take a haircut ...

    Pass a law saying that the bondholders have been repaid and it is illegal for anyone to say otherwise.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,162

    Yvette for defence?

    She needs a decent size job for having to give up the FCO
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,413
    Miliband says foreign secretary job is 'honour of my life'

    BBC


    Yeh, right.

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,861
    This has to be a spoof, right?


  • IcarusIcarus Posts: 1,095
    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Perhaps not "Madrí Excepcional is a British beer developed in Burton on Trent[ by Coors, the parent company of Carling"
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,486

    Miliband says foreign secretary job is 'honour of my life'

    BBC


    Yeh, right.

    More than leading his party?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,413
    nico67 said:

    No sign of Wes Streeting !

    Wasn't he reported as crying in a lift the other day?

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,984
    tlg86 said:

    Hmmm, voluntary aided and catholic doesn’t sound very open to the riff raff.

    You obviously don't know the North West.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,861
    Foss said:

    Mortimer said:

    Mortimer said:

    HYUFD said:

    Burnham set to restore the 50% additional rate of income tax for the highest paid workers in first potential breach of the 2024 Labour manifesto

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39817308/andy-burnham-tax-rate-hike/

    Predicted that.

    Idiot. (Burnham, not you)
    Final nail in the coffin of aspiration. The games gone....
    Strangely, I aspire to be paid enough to have to pay 50% on some of it.
    You can pay 50% already old chum….voluntary payments are accepted by HMRC
    Er no...

    If you consistently overpay your taxes year after year, HMRC will treat it as an ongoing mistake that needs correcting, rather than accepting it as extra revenue.
    The treasury will let you make a voluntary payment here: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/voluntary-payments-donations-to-government
    Are those payments tax deductible?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511
    edited July 20
    Icarus said:

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Perhaps not "Madrí Excepcional is a British beer developed in Burton on Trent[ by Coors, the parent company of Carling"
    I was outside the Coors home brewery the other week. Its f##king massive.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,311
    rcs1000 said:

    This has to be a spoof, right?


    Lol!
  • nico67 said:

    No sign of Wes Streeting !

    Wasn't he reported as crying in a lift the other day?

    He immediately denied it, so probably one of those Guido 'spotted' bullshit posts.

    Although it would be funny if he knifed Starmer in the front, cut a deal with Burnham and then Burnham offered him Minister for Paperclips.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,574

    geoffw said:

    You have to laugh at all those political journalists and other pundits getting it so wrong on the next Chancellor. I think they convinced themselves that Mahmood was going to get the job, but with no evidence whatsoever.
    Congratulations to Burnham's team on being leak free: nobody, but nobody, put Healey in the frame.

    You have to laugh at all those political journalists and other pundits getting it so wrong on the next Chancellor. I think they convinced themselves that Mahmood was going to get the job, but with no evidence whatsoever.
    Congratulations to Burnham's team on being leak free: nobody, but nobody, put Healey in the frame.

    Ummm .... TSE has just reminded us upthread that kinabalu did



    I thought kinabalu's punt was Pat McFadden?
    🙂 - I definitely did a long odds bet on a seasoned old guy who wasn't Shabana Mahmood or Ed Miliband.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,727
    edited July 20

    No time to waste...

    Kemi Badenoch

    @KemiBadenoch
    ·
    9m
    Congratulations to John Healey on his appointment.

    He can now ensure the Defence Investment Plan is properly funded. Conservatives will work with him to cut benefits so we can fund defence.

    Because we can’t have higher taxes or even more borrowing.

    Very one dimensionally predictable from PB's favourite girl.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,486

    nico67 said:

    No sign of Wes Streeting !

    Wasn't he reported as crying in a lift the other day?

    He immediately denied it, so probably one of those Guido 'spotted' bullshit posts.

    Although it would be funny if he knifed Starmer in the front, cut a deal with Burnham and then Burnham offered him Minister for Paperclips.
    Never believe anything until its officially denied?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,861
    biggles said:

    MelonB said:

    I’m boycotting Malbec for a year (unless it’s from Cahors, obviously).

    I shall now solidly patronise Hawksmoor and avoid Gaucho.
    To be fair, Gaucho has *really* gone off the boil. Fifteen years ago it was great. Ten years ago it was decent. Now it is pretty poor.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,511
    edited July 20

    No time to waste...

    Kemi Badenoch

    @KemiBadenoch
    ·
    9m
    Congratulations to John Healey on his appointment.

    He can now ensure the Defence Investment Plan is properly funded. Conservatives will work with him to cut benefits so we can fund defence.

    Because we can’t have higher taxes or even more borrowing.

    Very one dimensionally predictable from your girl PB.
    Models hereself on Argentian footballers. Two footed studs shows every time. More skillful opponents see it coming and leave her in the dust.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,486

    No time to waste...

    Kemi Badenoch

    @KemiBadenoch
    ·
    9m
    Congratulations to John Healey on his appointment.

    He can now ensure the Defence Investment Plan is properly funded. Conservatives will work with him to cut benefits so we can fund defence.

    Because we can’t have higher taxes or even more borrowing.

    Regular reminder that pensions are the biggest part of the benefits bill.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,413

    Icarus said:

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Perhaps not "Madrí Excepcional is a British beer developed in Burton on Trent[ by Coors, the parent company of Carling"
    I was outside the Coors home brewery the other week. Its f##king massive.
    We drink a lot of beer.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,626

    No time to waste...

    Kemi Badenoch

    @KemiBadenoch
    ·
    9m
    Congratulations to John Healey on his appointment.

    He can now ensure the Defence Investment Plan is properly funded. Conservatives will work with him to cut benefits so we can fund defence.

    Because we can’t have higher taxes or even more borrowing.

    Very one dimensionally predictable from PB's favourite girl.
    @MoonRabbit ??
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,791

    Taz said:

    MelonB said:

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Although Madri is fake Spanish and not sold in Spain IIRC
    Twas the joke.
    Indeed.

    That’s the gag !!

    A pub in the Toon has a large display outside for Madri with “The spirit of Madrid” emblazoned on it.
    Whoever has done the marketing for them has knocked it out the park. Its amazing what people will fall for.
    Especially the hipster with a flat cap holding a pint as part of the branding.
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,162

    nico67 said:

    No sign of Wes Streeting !

    Wasn't he reported as crying in a lift the other day?

    He immediately denied it, so probably one of those Guido 'spotted' bullshit posts.

    Although it would be funny if he knifed Starmer in the front, cut a deal with Burnham and then Burnham offered him Minister for Paperclips.
    Is it better to have him in a lesser role or to have him agitating from the backbenches?
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,791

    Icarus said:

    Taz said:

    On the news, large crowds in Madrid to welcome home the Spanish soccer team.

    I’m sure they’ll be downing plenty of Madri tonight over there.

    Perhaps not "Madrí Excepcional is a British beer developed in Burton on Trent[ by Coors, the parent company of Carling"
    I was outside the Coors home brewery the other week. Its f##king massive.
    In Burton ?
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