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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,680

    Argentina a credit to sporting behaviour. How well they take defeat.

    Bunch of absolute arses every one.

    Messi wasn't to be fair but well done to Spain
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,998

    Cannot believe we have to wait four years until the next World Cup.

    If has been a fantastic event. Trump has mere minutes to fuck it all up. I wonder if Trump gets one of those disgusting signet rings.
    They look so chavvy
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,965
    Consolation: The Loser had to pretend to watch this, meanwhile doing no damage to the US, and the world. (Probably.)
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,157

    Paredes punches Spanish players after the defeat.

    I wonder whether Trump will give us a Jesse Owens moment.

    He put his hands on his neck too.

    Scum.
    They should be barred from international football and their place taken by the Falklands.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,574

    Cannot believe we have to wait four years until the next World Cup.

    Not convinced by the "fade and 'locs" hairstyle of the tournament.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,902
    HYUFD said:

    Argentina a credit to sporting behaviour. How well they take defeat.

    Bunch of absolute arses every one.

    Messi wasn't to be fair but well done to Spain
    Meesibtried to get a Spanish player sent off for covering his mouth. He's as bad as the rest.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,368
    Burnham tells Times:

    "He said the fact the tax-free personal allowance has been frozen at £12,570 for five years was “the thing I heard the most on the doorsteps” while campaigning in the Makerfield by-election"

  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,349

    Paredes punches Spanish players after the defeat.

    I wonder whether Trump will give us a Jesse Owens moment.

    He put his hands on his neck too.

    Scum.
    They should be barred from international football and their place taken by the Falklands.
    I chose Argentina in the PB predictions competition. I’m glad I lost.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,190

    Burnham tells Times:

    "He said the fact the tax-free personal allowance has been frozen at £12,570 for five years was “the thing I heard the most on the doorsteps” while campaigning in the Makerfield by-election"

    Perhaps he thinks it should be lower?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,368
    Burnham's father is unaware he will become PM tomorrow


    His father, who is suffering from Alzheimer’s and is in a care home, is unaware that he is about to become prime minister. “That’s a sadness because he would be [proud],” he said. “But the way I look at it, it’s his achievement as well. A whole family achievement although he doesn’t know it.”

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2078952405606039965
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,680
    edited July 19

    Burnham tells Times:

    "He said the fact the tax-free personal allowance has been frozen at £12,570 for five years was “the thing I heard the most on the doorsteps” while campaigning in the Makerfield by-election"

    Well with his spending pledges and nationalisations it is unlikely he can fund it all with just higher taxes on the wealthy
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 849
    Congratulations to Spain, deserved winners. Proud of my tournament champion guess, at least I got the first letter of the winning team correct.

    Well worth reminding ourselves who the last team were to beat this fantastic Spain side over 90 mins in a competitive match!

    Hopefully Trumpfantino doesn't drop the cup ...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,693
    FIFA result 1-0
    Real result 3-0
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,998

    Burnham tells Times:

    "He said the fact the tax-free personal allowance has been frozen at £12,570 for five years was “the thing I heard the most on the doorsteps” while campaigning in the Makerfield by-election"

    Did he knock on the local hmrc office then?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,574

    FIFA result 1-0
    Real result 3-0

    No wonder the Argentinians are pissed off, FIFA promised them the cup.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,211
    Poor Trump having to shake Sanchez’s hand.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,693

    HYUFD said:

    Argentina a credit to sporting behaviour. How well they take defeat.

    Bunch of absolute arses every one.

    Messi wasn't to be fair but well done to Spain
    Meesibtried to get a Spanish player sent off for covering his mouth. He's as bad as the rest.
    Yes that was very poor sportsmanship. But Argentina demonstrated zero sportsmanship over 120 minutes. Bunch of *****!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,843
    Ugh, Gianna Infantino is wearing trainers with a suit.

    Arrest him now.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,693
    Foxy said:

    FIFA result 1-0
    Real result 3-0

    No wonder the Argentinians are pissed off, FIFA promised them the cup.
    Infantino in white tennis shoes and a suit. What a tw@t.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,157
    White trainers? Jeez.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,642

    Burnham's father is unaware he will become PM tomorrow


    His father, who is suffering from Alzheimer’s and is in a care home, is unaware that he is about to become prime minister. “That’s a sadness because he would be [proud],” he said. “But the way I look at it, it’s his achievement as well. A whole family achievement although he doesn’t know it.”

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2078952405606039965

    More than half of Burnham’s salary will be going on the care costs. From a family that has made a similar sacrifice for multiple of older relatives, I hope he can deliver some sort mandatory insurance scheme that makes it less of a lottery.

    Anyway, football justice tonight. It’s not all bad.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,444

    Ugh, Gianna Infantino is wearing trainers with a suit.

    Arrest him now.

    He really looks like a puppet from Team America.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,693
    Match officials getting presented with medals from the biggest **** in the World.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,275
    edited July 19

    Cannot believe we have to wait four years until the next World Cup.

    We don't. The Euros are effectively the World Cup in terms of the major contenders, aside of course from Argentina (and even that is arguable given Messi's age; look how Ronaldo has faded). Euro 2028. Hosted in Britain.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,574

    Cannot believe we have to wait four years until the next World Cup.

    We don't. The Euros are effectively the World Cup in terms of the major contenders, aside of course from Argentina (and even that is arguable given Messi's age; look how Ronaldo has faded). Euros 2028. Hosted in Britain.
    Yes, Argentina are the only competitive New World team now, and how good will they be post Messi?

    Brazil not in the running any more.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,693
    Welsh fellow wins Golden Ball trophy.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,463
    edited July 19
    del
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,463
    edited July 19
    Foxy said:

    Cannot believe we have to wait four years until the next World Cup.

    We don't. The Euros are effectively the World Cup in terms of the major contenders, aside of course from Argentina (and even that is arguable given Messi's age; look how Ronaldo has faded). Euros 2028. Hosted in Britain.
    Yes, Argentina are the only competitive New World team now, and how good will they be post Messi?

    Brazil not in the running any more.
    It was eye opening how poor Brazil were technically and flair wise, that is their trademark. They have been beaten in the past by teams being more tactically aware, having better strategy, but Brazil players were generally just rather shit. Putting Vini aside, would any of the Brazilian midfield get in England team ahead of Rice and Bellingham?
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,157
    edited July 19
    Mark Carney being mostly cut out of the presentation pictures.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,693
    Foxy said:

    Cannot believe we have to wait four years until the next World Cup.

    We don't. The Euros are effectively the World Cup in terms of the major contenders, aside of course from Argentina (and even that is arguable given Messi's age; look how Ronaldo has faded). Euros 2028. Hosted in Britain.
    Yes, Argentina are the only competitive New World team now, and how good will they be post Messi?

    Brazil not in the running any more.
    Some of the African countries, particularly North African countries look an awful lot closer to Jules Rimet than Brazil.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,746
    While the result was fine, the game was rubbish, wasn't it?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,463

    While the result was fine, the game was rubbish, wasn't it?

    It is more often than not the case. Knackered players, super high pressure. There was a run of Champions League finals that were dire as well.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,444

    While the result was fine, the game was rubbish, wasn't it?

    It is more often than not the case. Knackered players, super high pressure. There was a run of Champions League finals that were dire as well.
    And some that were definitely not. Istanbul 2005.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,463
    edited July 19

    While the result was fine, the game was rubbish, wasn't it?

    It is more often than not the case. Knackered players, super high pressure. There was a run of Champions League finals that were dire as well.
    And some that were definitely not. Istanbul 2005.
    The 2019-2024 period wasn't great, but the worst ones were the later 90s / 2000s not including the Instanbul miracle. Lots of Italian teams doing what Argentina now do.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,971
    I'm really glad I avoided watching more than 5mins of that game.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,275
    Nigelb said:

    I'm really glad I avoided watching more than 5mins of that game.

    Here is ITV's 12-minute World Cup Final highlights video:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3YeBJazWPE
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,574

    Foxy said:

    Cannot believe we have to wait four years until the next World Cup.

    We don't. The Euros are effectively the World Cup in terms of the major contenders, aside of course from Argentina (and even that is arguable given Messi's age; look how Ronaldo has faded). Euros 2028. Hosted in Britain.
    Yes, Argentina are the only competitive New World team now, and how good will they be post Messi?

    Brazil not in the running any more.
    Some of the African countries, particularly North African countries look an awful lot closer to Jules Rimet than Brazil.
    One thing this WC showed, the gap across nations has narrowed significantly. Very few absolute push over teams these days. At worst, they are high organised and can frustrate for large periods of games. Shouldn't really be a surprise as so many of a wide range of nations play in top 5 leagues in Europe now.
    We are spoilt in England. Even my shocking League 1 team had 3 players at the World Cup, and several more former players.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,368
    Eabhal said:

    Burnham's father is unaware he will become PM tomorrow


    His father, who is suffering from Alzheimer’s and is in a care home, is unaware that he is about to become prime minister. “That’s a sadness because he would be [proud],” he said. “But the way I look at it, it’s his achievement as well. A whole family achievement although he doesn’t know it.”

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2078952405606039965

    More than half of Burnham’s salary will be going on the care costs. From a family that has made a similar sacrifice for multiple of older relatives, I hope he can deliver some sort mandatory insurance scheme that makes it less of a lottery.

    Anyway, football justice tonight. It’s not all bad.
    Dilnot still sits on the shelf. An immediate plan to reduce the level of horrible lottery of social care.

    Start with that whilst the next three years are spent sorting out a National Care Service whatever that is.

  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,971

    Nigelb said:

    I'm really glad I avoided watching more than 5mins of that game.

    Here is ITV's 12-minute World Cup Final highlights video:-
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3YeBJazWPE
    You're joking.
    Or did you mean 1.2 minutes ?
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,541
    Foxy said:

    Foxy said:

    Cannot believe we have to wait four years until the next World Cup.

    We don't. The Euros are effectively the World Cup in terms of the major contenders, aside of course from Argentina (and even that is arguable given Messi's age; look how Ronaldo has faded). Euros 2028. Hosted in Britain.
    Yes, Argentina are the only competitive New World team now, and how good will they be post Messi?

    Brazil not in the running any more.
    Some of the African countries, particularly North African countries look an awful lot closer to Jules Rimet than Brazil.
    One thing this WC showed, the gap across nations has narrowed significantly. Very few absolute push over teams these days. At worst, they are high organised and can frustrate for large periods of games. Shouldn't really be a surprise as so many of a wide range of nations play in top 5 leagues in Europe now.
    We are spoilt in England. Even my shocking League 1 team had 3 players at the World Cup, and several more former players.
    In the same ( but perhaps opposite direction ) vein Brazil had a 34 yr old who’s been far from stellar at Man U, an ex Wolves striker, and a bloke each playing at Brentford and Bournemouth.

    Not exactly Pele, Tostao, Carlos Alberto, and Jairzinho is it?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,131

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    carnforth said:

    I’m told that of the 80 students who graduated at Exeter university in computer science just two have found jobs as Labour tax policies and AI have killed the market. Feel desperate for the grads who have given 3 years of their life and £60K to discover they’re unwanted.

    https://x.com/kelvmackenzie/status/2078893948966207507?s=20

    Putting aside his political rant, I would be interested to know if this is really true. Exeter is quite a highly ranked university. And those numbers feel so apocalyptic not to be believed.

    80 responded to the survey and 2 reported having found a job, or 10 responded and 2 reported?

    And department ranking and university ranking are different things.
    I mean we should start with the person tweeting, has known once or twice to get the facts wrong or it could be my mate's son goes there and he says only 2 people he knows have a job (and he doesn't actually attend any lectures and knows f##k all people on the course but not going to admit to his parents he spent 3 years in his room playing FIFA). Universities are pretty hot these days on pestering students about their employment status as they want all the data, but it could be a dodgy survey.
    From someone who did quite a few hiring rounds over the past couple of years - compsci students are a glut.

    Every single one seems to have done the same course and acquired the same skills and been told to write their CV and cover letter the same way. At one point last year I was getting around 80 compsci masters students applying for each post we had open.

    And you couldn't tell them apart. Totally generic "I gave institution N-thousand pounds and now I can say I did django, some jquery and can talk about microservices without really understanding them as that's what my lecturer said".

    Once in a while I get an application from a somewhat self-taught kid who's done an HNC and fiddled about with raspberry pi's and some random tech sh*t and I couldn't hire them quick enough.

    Anecdotally, there are a lot of unemployed graduates doubling down by doing their Masters. The jobs market is perhaps worse than post GFC when a lot of graduates were given offers to start a year from now. Many junior computing jobs have been passed to AI, and even mid-level jobs. As I may have mentioned, the young woman who serves my fish and chips has a degree.
    I've still not come across any sign of the AI stuff affecting hiring. Aside from the fever dreams of middle-management (who are more at risk than the actual junior IT staff). I've seen a few people not having their contracts renewed - but it's been more in the (again) management and product/project management roles and 'technical documentation' side. But 'actual' on-the-ground IT staff still seem to be in demand - junior, mid or senior.
    Where I am, the head of IT has taken the view that AI means every developer has a bunch of assistants. Assistants who are a very inexperienced, but have read a lot.
    My head of IT thinks AI means you can double-click 'claude.exe' and then say 'solve all the problems. make no mistakes.'
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,157

    Eabhal said:

    Burnham's father is unaware he will become PM tomorrow


    His father, who is suffering from Alzheimer’s and is in a care home, is unaware that he is about to become prime minister. “That’s a sadness because he would be [proud],” he said. “But the way I look at it, it’s his achievement as well. A whole family achievement although he doesn’t know it.”

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2078952405606039965

    More than half of Burnham’s salary will be going on the care costs. From a family that has made a similar sacrifice for multiple of older relatives, I hope he can deliver some sort mandatory insurance scheme that makes it less of a lottery.

    Anyway, football justice tonight. It’s not all bad.
    Dilnot still sits on the shelf. An immediate plan to reduce the level of horrible lottery of social care.

    Start with that whilst the next three years are spent sorting out a National Care Service whatever that is.

    The problem is that care homes are mostly rubbish, at least round here, because they are run at a level that the local council is prepared to pay for. I expect the situation is slightly better where there are more self-funders, but it shouldn't be just a case of finding a way of paying current costs, we probably need to pay more.

    He should try looking after his father at home. That's even more of an eye opener.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,664
    I liked the half time entertainment.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 41,009
    edited 12:06AM
    Just watched the match on iPlayer, was busy earlier.

    Can't believe Argentina played in their usual obnoxious way.

    Very pleased Spain won.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,664
    What are we calling this day in British Politics? B-Day?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,856
    eek said:

    Andy Burnham: We’re not in the right place as a country. People can feel that

    On the eve of entering No 10, the prime minister-to-be promises a break with Westminster’s old ways and says he will lead by persuasion, not diktat


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/andy-burnham-prime-minister-interview-labour-mbn0g0w6l

    The thing is he can't do any worse than the last 7...
    "Hold my hat," says Andy Burnham. Personally, I will be happy(er) if he's better than the last one.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,610

    What are we calling this day in British Politics? B-Day?

    WOTN Day, surely?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,288
    [pops in. Sees who won]

    Oh, Argentina lost? That's absolutely terrible

    :)

    [dances a little jig]
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,608
    viewcode said:

    [pops in. Sees who won]

    Oh, Argentina lost? That's absolutely terrible

    :)

    [dances a little jig]

    Ditto.

    Wake up

    Check score

    *little cheer inside*

    Get up and go to work.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,608
    Talking of little cheers inside, here’s another massive WildBerries warehouse near Moscow, experiencing a large and unexpected conflagration. 🔥

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2079020549359931500
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 8,012
    Wonderful news that Argentinal lost.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,724
    @phillewis.bsky.social

    Pool report from
    @svdate.bsky.social
    , who is at the World Cup ceremony:

    "The president walked onto the field at 1826 to a sustained chorus of boos.

    Ambient crowd noise was about 78 decibels. Booing brought it to 84."
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,275

    Wonderful news that Argentinal lost.

    I don't really care. It should have been England, and the FA needs to work out what went wrong. Squad selection, tactics, too heavy a domestic league programme, acclimatisation to heat and humidity? It was notable that Bellingham plays in Spain, for instance, both hotter and with a lighter league programme. Too many of our squad were carrying minor injuries; too many exhausted after 90 minutes or less in those conditions.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,611
    Good morning on Andy Burnham day.

    Will the winners be smiling when they see their in-trays? Can’t see Ed being happy with the Foreign Office so will he be Chancellor at the end?

    Thrills and spills to come.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,598

    Foxy said:

    Cannot believe we have to wait four years until the next World Cup.

    We don't. The Euros are effectively the World Cup in terms of the major contenders, aside of course from Argentina (and even that is arguable given Messi's age; look how Ronaldo has faded). Euros 2028. Hosted in Britain.
    Yes, Argentina are the only competitive New World team now, and how good will they be post Messi?

    Brazil not in the running any more.
    Some of the African countries, particularly North African countries look an awful lot closer to Jules Rimet than Brazil.
    One thing this WC showed, the gap across nations has narrowed significantly. Very few absolute push over teams these days. At worst, they are high organised and can frustrate for large periods of games. Shouldn't really be a surprise as so many of a wide range of nations play in top 5 leagues in Europe now.
    Scotland has a real problem in that the quality of players coming through in recent times is nothing like the quality or quantity of previous times but our problems pale into insignificance with those of Brazil. What on earth has happened to what used to be the greatest footballing country on earth?

    I think at least a part of the problem has to be that so many of their players now play in western Europe and are taught the western European way of playing. All of the spontaneity has been ground out of them. They are probably better athletes but they are definitely poorer footballers. I miss the old Brazil, the WC is not the same without them.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,423
    Good morning from El Campello in Spain as we prepare to drive north towards Bordeaux and home.

    Some party here last night! Wifey is half Spanish, kids quarter Spanish so we joined in the fun.

    Talking about fun, the briefings and counter-briefings on Burnham are getting silly.

    I opined on Emergency Podcast that Mahmood as chancellor was kite-flying and I hope I'm right that it's Milliband. An Energy-driven recovery would be great! And will Burnham unlock the North Sea as briefed, or not as also briefed. And if not, why is he going to Aberdeen early doors? To say Fuck You as Sunak did in Manchester?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,275
    I Run a US Factory. What I Just Saw in China Should Terrify You.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqe39Dx-rQ0

    An American manufacturer of filtration equipment opines.

    TL/DR; China's advantage is agglomeration, a clustering of different parts of the production chain, and not (any more) cheap labour. America's (and Britain's) problem is a loss of skills and component suppliers.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,275
    JD Vance breaks ranks in gamble for power
    US vice-president is positioning himself to lead the Maga movement – but must avoid becoming a political casualty
    ...
    However, others like Marc Short, a veteran Republican adviser, believe his political skills allow him to be “flexible on his convictions – if he has any”.

    Mr Vance has detected a change in the Republican Party and the country at large.

    Like Richard Nixon, a man whom he openly admires and in some ways resembles, he senses a silent majority he can speak to.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2026/07/19/jd-vance-is-returning-to-his-base/ (£££)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,598
    Jury speech this morning. Hopefully will have the jury out for their deliberations by lunch time and I can then concentrate on the cabinet taking shape. So far Burnham has contrived to be all things to all people. Today he has to start making choices.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,598
    Sandpit said:

    Talking of little cheers inside, here’s another massive WildBerries warehouse near Moscow, experiencing a large and unexpected conflagration. 🔥

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2079020549359931500

    To be honest I am struggling to see why WildBerries is a legitimate target. The war is becoming ever more brutal and civilians on both sides suffer ever more.

    Massive missile attack on Kyiv last night. Most of the drones stopped but most of the missiles got through because of the shortage of Patriots. I think the Ukrainians are trying to bring it home to Russians what a price they have to pay for Putin's madness in the hope that this triggers a coup or a collapse. It would save a lot of lives in the long run if it works but the attempt to have any rules of war is failing once again.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,409
    Well done Spain but a failure of a world cup overall. Overshadowed by accusation of bias referees and federations.

    Lots of empty seats we could all see on TV, but fifa wants us to believe people paying $100s of dollars were choosing to watch from the concourse.

    I guess I'm getting old
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,724
    @dominicervolina.com

    In other sports news of the day, a golfer at The Open Championship told officials he wanted to call Trump to ask him for assistance after he was penalized for breaking a rule

    https://bsky.app/profile/dominicervolina.com/post/3mr26c4w5in2w
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,856
    edited 5:54AM
    DavidL said:

    Foxy said:

    Cannot believe we have to wait four years until the next World Cup.

    We don't. The Euros are effectively the World Cup in terms of the major contenders, aside of course from Argentina (and even that is arguable given Messi's age; look how Ronaldo has faded). Euros 2028. Hosted in Britain.
    Yes, Argentina are the only competitive New World team now, and how good will they be post Messi?

    Brazil not in the running any more.
    Some of the African countries, particularly North African countries look an awful lot closer to Jules Rimet than Brazil.
    One thing this WC showed, the gap across nations has narrowed significantly. Very few absolute push over teams these days. At worst, they are high organised and can frustrate for large periods of games. Shouldn't really be a surprise as so many of a wide range of nations play in top 5 leagues in Europe now.
    Scotland has a real problem in that the quality of players coming through in recent times is nothing like the quality or quantity of previous times but our problems pale into insignificance with those of Brazil. What on earth has happened to what used to be the greatest footballing country on earth?

    I think at least a part of the problem has to be that so many of their players now play in western Europe and are taught the western European way of playing. All of the spontaneity has been ground out of them. They are probably better athletes but they are definitely poorer footballers. I miss the old Brazil, the WC is not the same without them.
    Scotland also failed to even pick their best centre back: Ryan Porteus.

    He's one of the best defenders in MLS, and made Messi look very ordinary earlier this year.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,275
    The Open was won by Ryan Fox who touched 1,000 in-running on Betfair.

    The 39-year-old New Zealander, who is the son of All Black rugby legend Grant, shot a two-under 68 to finish one ahead of American Cameron Young and lift the Claret Jug.
    ...
    Fox's career has often been overshadowed by his father Grant's achievements, given he helped the All Blacks win the 1987 World Cup and was once their record points scorer.

    The family's strong sporting stock also includes Ryan's grandfather Merv Wallace, who captained and coached the New Zealand cricket team.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/articles/c89nv0v1e22o
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,557
    Scaloni can save his tears . He sent the team out to kick and cheat their way to a win.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,857

    Wonderful news that Argentinal lost.

    I don't really care. It should have been England, and the FA needs to work out what went wrong. Squad selection, tactics, too heavy a domestic league programme, acclimatisation to heat and humidity? It was notable that Bellingham plays in Spain, for instance, both hotter and with a lighter league programme. Too many of our squad were carrying minor injuries; too many exhausted after 90 minutes or less in those conditions.
    Yes, in an alternative universe, England just lost to Spain in the final. That team would have run rings round our boys.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,977
    1,600 Russian troops, 85 artillery systems/MLRS and 6 anti-aircraft units not reporting for duty in Ukraine today.

    That's net 800 fewer troops to fight the SMO today than yesterday.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,977

    The Open was won by Ryan Fox who touched 1,000 in-running on Betfair.

    The 39-year-old New Zealander, who is the son of All Black rugby legend Grant, shot a two-under 68 to finish one ahead of American Cameron Young and lift the Claret Jug.
    ...
    Fox's career has often been overshadowed by his father Grant's achievements, given he helped the All Blacks win the 1987 World Cup and was once their record points scorer.

    The family's strong sporting stock also includes Ryan's grandfather Merv Wallace, who captained and coached the New Zealand cricket team.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/golf/articles/c89nv0v1e22o

    Can't fail to be a top sportsman when named "Merv"....
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,977
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Talking of little cheers inside, here’s another massive WildBerries warehouse near Moscow, experiencing a large and unexpected conflagration. 🔥

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2079020549359931500

    To be honest I am struggling to see why WildBerries is a legitimate target. The war is becoming ever more brutal and civilians on both sides suffer ever more.

    Massive missile attack on Kyiv last night. Most of the drones stopped but most of the missiles got through because of the shortage of Patriots. I think the Ukrainians are trying to bring it home to Russians what a price they have to pay for Putin's madness in the hope that this triggers a coup or a collapse. It would save a lot of lives in the long run if it works but the attempt to have any rules of war is failing once again.
    "I am struggling to see why WildBerries is a legitimate target"

    Because they are part of the infrastructure supplying the Russian miitary, from drones to uniforms.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,608
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Talking of little cheers inside, here’s another massive WildBerries warehouse near Moscow, experiencing a large and unexpected conflagration. 🔥

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2079020549359931500

    To be honest I am struggling to see why WildBerries is a legitimate target. The war is becoming ever more brutal and civilians on both sides suffer ever more.

    Massive missile attack on Kyiv last night. Most of the drones stopped but most of the missiles got through because of the shortage of Patriots. I think the Ukrainians are trying to bring it home to Russians what a price they have to pay for Putin's madness in the hope that this triggers a coup or a collapse. It would save a lot of lives in the long run if it works but the attempt to have any rules of war is failing once again.
    WildBerries have been used by the Russians for the logistics of small drones. They’re shipping the parts from China to Russia, shipping them to the groups making the drones all over Russia, then shipping them to the military who send them the last few miles to the front lines. Not just the drones either, loads of other dual-use equipment such as night vision goggles and uniforms, shipped by the container-load from China. The Ukranians will argue that’s a legitimate target, especially given that the Russian missiles are raining down on apartment buildings and underground shelters in Kyiv

    The problem with the Patriots is that there simply aren’t enough of the missiles out there, and the production time for each unit is around two years. Ukraine and Iran have consumed almost all of them. The Ukranians are working on a new interceptor solution themselves, and will shortly start on their own Patriot production, but will take time to set up. In the meantime they need to find the factories and supply lines for the Russian missiles, and take them out.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,971

    I Run a US Factory. What I Just Saw in China Should Terrify You.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqe39Dx-rQ0

    An American manufacturer of filtration equipment opines.

    TL/DR; China's advantage is agglomeration, a clustering of different parts of the production chain, and not (any more) cheap labour. America's (and Britain's) problem is a loss of skills and component suppliers.

    That's been true for quite a long time.
    The US has been making a decent start at re-industrialising since Biden's administration; Europe quite is some way behind, as are we.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,724

    I Run a US Factory. What I Just Saw in China Should Terrify You.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqe39Dx-rQ0

    An American manufacturer of filtration equipment opines.

    TL/DR; China's advantage is agglomeration, a clustering of different parts of the production chain, and not (any more) cheap labour. America's (and Britain's) problem is a loss of skills and component suppliers.

    This was true back when Apple tried to onshore production of the trashcan Mac and couldn't find a US supplier for the tiny screws they needed
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,780
    rkrkrk said:

    Well done Spain but a failure of a world cup overall. Overshadowed by accusation of bias referees and federations.

    Lots of empty seats we could all see on TV, but fifa wants us to believe people paying $100s of dollars were choosing to watch from the concourse.

    I guess I'm getting old

    It was a shambles , US should never ever get a world cup again , they have no clue on sporting events, just for money making and parading of sad loser celebrities to pad out for TV adverts. Worst world cup ever.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,780
    DavidL said:

    Jury speech this morning. Hopefully will have the jury out for their deliberations by lunch time and I can then concentrate on the cabinet taking shape. So far Burnham has contrived to be all things to all people. Today he has to start making choices.

    Hard to not see it being the same old useless faces shuffled around a bit , talentless bunch who would struggle to run a bath, I am not optimistic that we will see anything different. Hopefully he will cut spending , welfare , etc but doubt it very much, IMF here we come with begging bowl is still more likely.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,780
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Talking of little cheers inside, here’s another massive WildBerries warehouse near Moscow, experiencing a large and unexpected conflagration. 🔥

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2079020549359931500

    To be honest I am struggling to see why WildBerries is a legitimate target. The war is becoming ever more brutal and civilians on both sides suffer ever more.

    Massive missile attack on Kyiv last night. Most of the drones stopped but most of the missiles got through because of the shortage of Patriots. I think the Ukrainians are trying to bring it home to Russians what a price they have to pay for Putin's madness in the hope that this triggers a coup or a collapse. It would save a lot of lives in the long run if it works but the attempt to have any rules of war is failing once again.
    They should bomb everything and anything as the Russians do to Ukraine , show the thick idiot public what they are doing to Ukraine. Fight fire with fire.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,971
    Nigelb said:

    I Run a US Factory. What I Just Saw in China Should Terrify You.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqe39Dx-rQ0

    An American manufacturer of filtration equipment opines.

    TL/DR; China's advantage is agglomeration, a clustering of different parts of the production chain, and not (any more) cheap labour. America's (and Britain's) problem is a loss of skills and component suppliers.

    That's been true for quite a long time.
    The US has been making a decent start at re-industrialising since Biden's administration; Europe quite is some way behind, as are we.
    Also their attempts to weaponise their domination of strategic minerals production is starting to undermine that domination (in a mirror image of the US tech export restrictions).

    Chinese export controls are starting to threaten China's own critical mineral monopolies. At the Wagerup alumina refinery in Western Australia, Alcoa has announced days ago a final investment decision on installation of gallium recovery circuits.

    The project enjoys support from the Japanese and Australian governments through the Japan Australia Gallium Associates (JAGA) joint venture, as well as from the U.S. government. 🧵

    https://x.com/wang_seaver/status/2078921749446488251
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,977
    IanB2 said:

    Wonderful news that Argentinal lost.

    I don't really care. It should have been England, and the FA needs to work out what went wrong. Squad selection, tactics, too heavy a domestic league programme, acclimatisation to heat and humidity? It was notable that Bellingham plays in Spain, for instance, both hotter and with a lighter league programme. Too many of our squad were carrying minor injuries; too many exhausted after 90 minutes or less in those conditions.
    Yes, in an alternative universe, England just lost to Spain in the final. That team would have run rings round our boys.
    Maybe. Spain needed 120 minutes to out one past Argentina. We put 6 past France in 90.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,780
    Foxy said:

    Cannot believe we have to wait four years until the next World Cup.

    We don't. The Euros are effectively the World Cup in terms of the major contenders, aside of course from Argentina (and even that is arguable given Messi's age; look how Ronaldo has faded). Euros 2028. Hosted in Britain.
    Yes, Argentina are the only competitive New World team now, and how good will they be post Messi?

    Brazil not in the running any more.
    They are the usual thugs they have always been , always hope they win nothing.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,843

    NEW THREAD

  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,519

    Cannot believe we have to wait four years until the next World Cup.

    We don't. The Euros are effectively the World Cup in terms of the major contenders, aside of course from Argentina (and even that is arguable given Messi's age; look how Ronaldo has faded). Euro 2028. Hosted in Britain.
    Nations League first: England v Spain on 25th September.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,608
    malcolmg said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Talking of little cheers inside, here’s another massive WildBerries warehouse near Moscow, experiencing a large and unexpected conflagration. 🔥

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2079020549359931500

    To be honest I am struggling to see why WildBerries is a legitimate target. The war is becoming ever more brutal and civilians on both sides suffer ever more.

    Massive missile attack on Kyiv last night. Most of the drones stopped but most of the missiles got through because of the shortage of Patriots. I think the Ukrainians are trying to bring it home to Russians what a price they have to pay for Putin's madness in the hope that this triggers a coup or a collapse. It would save a lot of lives in the long run if it works but the attempt to have any rules of war is failing once again.
    They should bomb everything and anything as the Russians do to Ukraine , show the thick idiot public what they are doing to Ukraine. Fight fire with fire.
    Disagree. This war clearly has a good side and a bad side, more than any other war in recent times.

    But even ignoring that, why would you waste your weapons on civilians when there’s plenty of military targets to hit first.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,808
    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Talking of little cheers inside, here’s another massive WildBerries warehouse near Moscow, experiencing a large and unexpected conflagration. 🔥

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2079020549359931500

    To be honest I am struggling to see why WildBerries is a legitimate target. The war is becoming ever more brutal and civilians on both sides suffer ever more.
    I reckon, on the basis of zero evidence, that Vladislav Bakalchuck paid the Ukrainians to do it. It would be very on brand for all concerned. WB is run by his ex Mrs and he is super salty about it. After being divorced and ousted from the company he tried to storm the offices with armed Chechnyan bastards resulting in a gunfight in reception. "The Office: Russia"

    We're going to drone Moscow anyway so we might as well get a payday and hit WB, is archetypal thinking for the Kiev junta.

    Legitimate or not, and really who gives a fuck any more, it's not a brilliant target for either disrupting the Russian military or bringing the war home to the Muscovites. Doing Sheremetovo, for example, would have been a much better PIRA style spectacular. So they picked WB for some other reason...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,610
    Dura_Ace said:

    DavidL said:

    Sandpit said:

    Talking of little cheers inside, here’s another massive WildBerries warehouse near Moscow, experiencing a large and unexpected conflagration. 🔥

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2079020549359931500

    To be honest I am struggling to see why WildBerries is a legitimate target. The war is becoming ever more brutal and civilians on both sides suffer ever more.
    I reckon, on the basis of zero evidence, that Vladislav Bakalchuck paid the Ukrainians to do it. It would be very on brand for all concerned. WB is run by his ex Mrs and he is super salty about it. After being divorced and ousted from the company he tried to storm the offices with armed Chechnyan bastards resulting in a gunfight in reception. "The Office: Russia"

    We're going to drone Moscow anyway so we might as well get a payday and hit WB, is archetypal thinking for the Kiev junta.

    Legitimate or not, and really who gives a fuck any more, it's not a brilliant target for either disrupting the Russian military or bringing the war home to the Muscovites. Doing Sheremetovo, for example, would have been a much better PIRA style spectacular. So they picked WB for some other reason...
    It wouldn't have been a target if VVP hadn't launched his brilliant SMO...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,857

    IanB2 said:

    Wonderful news that Argentinal lost.

    I don't really care. It should have been England, and the FA needs to work out what went wrong. Squad selection, tactics, too heavy a domestic league programme, acclimatisation to heat and humidity? It was notable that Bellingham plays in Spain, for instance, both hotter and with a lighter league programme. Too many of our squad were carrying minor injuries; too many exhausted after 90 minutes or less in those conditions.
    Yes, in an alternative universe, England just lost to Spain in the final. That team would have run rings round our boys.
    Maybe. Spain needed 120 minutes to out one past Argentina. We put 6 past France in 90.
    Yeah but France kept letting us have the ball
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