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  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,858
    Maybe the Egyptians were right after all
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,843
    We all know VAR will not overturn that.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,977
    You aren't Argentina; you aren't allowed to score.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,580
    No foul surely?
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,589
    edited July 19
    Vanilla…
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,589
    Foxy said:

    Tres said:

    over 200 minutes of world cup finals held in USA and no goals.

    never again

    Argies yet to have a shot on target.
    They’ll have 5 in penalties. Though hopefully fewer.

    At least after tonight the world’s social media enthusiasm for annexing and ethnically cleansing the Falkland Islands just for the Bantz will die down and the trolls will move on to the next thing.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,445
    There was no foul there, that is absurd.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,694
    Nothing wrong with any of that, except the referee blew his whistle too early.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,597
    edited July 19

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    carnforth said:

    I’m told that of the 80 students who graduated at Exeter university in computer science just two have found jobs as Labour tax policies and AI have killed the market. Feel desperate for the grads who have given 3 years of their life and £60K to discover they’re unwanted.

    https://x.com/kelvmackenzie/status/2078893948966207507?s=20

    Putting aside his political rant, I would be interested to know if this is really true. Exeter is quite a highly ranked university. And those numbers feel so apocalyptic not to be believed.

    80 responded to the survey and 2 reported having found a job, or 10 responded and 2 reported?

    And department ranking and university ranking are different things.
    I mean we should start with the person tweeting, has known once or twice to get the facts wrong or it could be my mate's son goes there and he says only 2 people he knows have a job (and he doesn't actually attend any lectures and knows f##k all people on the course but not going to admit to his parents he spent 3 years in his room playing FIFA). Universities are pretty hot these days on pestering students about their employment status as they want all the data, but it could be a dodgy survey.
    From someone who did quite a few hiring rounds over the past couple of years - compsci students are a glut.

    Every single one seems to have done the same course and acquired the same skills and been told to write their CV and cover letter the same way. At one point last year I was getting around 80 compsci masters students applying for each post we had open.

    And you couldn't tell them apart. Totally generic "I gave institution N-thousand pounds and now I can say I did django, some jquery and can talk about microservices without really understanding them as that's what my lecturer said".

    Once in a while I get an application from a somewhat self-taught kid who's done an HNC and fiddled about with raspberry pi's and some random tech sh*t and I couldn't hire them quick enough.

    Anecdotally, there are a lot of unemployed graduates doubling down by doing their Masters. The jobs market is perhaps worse than post GFC when a lot of graduates were given offers to start a year from now. Many junior computing jobs have been passed to AI, and even mid-level jobs. As I may have mentioned, the young woman who serves my fish and chips has a degree.
    I've still not come across any sign of the AI stuff affecting hiring. Aside from the fever dreams of middle-management (who are more at risk than the actual junior IT staff). I've seen a few people not having their contracts renewed - but it's been more in the (again) management and product/project management roles and 'technical documentation' side. But 'actual' on-the-ground IT staff still seem to be in demand - junior, mid or senior.
    Where I am, the head of IT has taken the view that AI means every developer has a bunch of assistants. Assistants who are a very inexperienced, but have read a lot.
    While true, I'm getting to the point where a for the AI to be useful enough to justify cutting staff it costing roughly the same as the human being...

    Now that may drop as token prices fall but for the day to day stuff I do the dataset is so contaminated with historic deprecated crap you can't trust AI to give you anything usable in the first 5 attempts.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,160
    That's not helping the conspiracy theories.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,858
    edited July 19
    Christ. At least with cricket you know beforehand that fuck all is going to happen.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,270

    Fuck me FIFA want Messi to win. This is so bent.

    Completely.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,490
    eek said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    carnforth said:

    I’m told that of the 80 students who graduated at Exeter university in computer science just two have found jobs as Labour tax policies and AI have killed the market. Feel desperate for the grads who have given 3 years of their life and £60K to discover they’re unwanted.

    https://x.com/kelvmackenzie/status/2078893948966207507?s=20

    Putting aside his political rant, I would be interested to know if this is really true. Exeter is quite a highly ranked university. And those numbers feel so apocalyptic not to be believed.

    80 responded to the survey and 2 reported having found a job, or 10 responded and 2 reported?

    And department ranking and university ranking are different things.
    I mean we should start with the person tweeting, has known once or twice to get the facts wrong or it could be my mate's son goes there and he says only 2 people he knows have a job (and he doesn't actually attend any lectures and knows f##k all people on the course but not going to admit to his parents he spent 3 years in his room playing FIFA). Universities are pretty hot these days on pestering students about their employment status as they want all the data, but it could be a dodgy survey.
    From someone who did quite a few hiring rounds over the past couple of years - compsci students are a glut.

    Every single one seems to have done the same course and acquired the same skills and been told to write their CV and cover letter the same way. At one point last year I was getting around 80 compsci masters students applying for each post we had open.

    And you couldn't tell them apart. Totally generic "I gave institution N-thousand pounds and now I can say I did django, some jquery and can talk about microservices without really understanding them as that's what my lecturer said".

    Once in a while I get an application from a somewhat self-taught kid who's done an HNC and fiddled about with raspberry pi's and some random tech sh*t and I couldn't hire them quick enough.

    Anecdotally, there are a lot of unemployed graduates doubling down by doing their Masters. The jobs market is perhaps worse than post GFC when a lot of graduates were given offers to start a year from now. Many junior computing jobs have been passed to AI, and even mid-level jobs. As I may have mentioned, the young woman who serves my fish and chips has a degree.
    I've still not come across any sign of the AI stuff affecting hiring. Aside from the fever dreams of middle-management (who are more at risk than the actual junior IT staff). I've seen a few people not having their contracts renewed - but it's been more in the (again) management and product/project management roles and 'technical documentation' side. But 'actual' on-the-ground IT staff still seem to be in demand - junior, mid or senior.
    Where I am, the head of IT has taken the view that AI means every developer has a bunch of assistants. Assistants who are a very inexperienced, but have read a lot.
    While true, I'm getting to the point where a for the AI to be useful enough to justify cutting staff it costing roughly the same as the human being...

    Now that may drop as token prices fall but for the day to day stuff I do the dataset is so contaminated with historic deprecated crap you can't true AI to give you anything usable in the first 5 attempts.
    Depends how you use it.

    For example, while I’m reviewing a pull request, I get Claude to review the same code, in the background. I write up my thoughts, then look at what Claude has found.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,580
    eek said:

    ohnotnow said:

    ohnotnow said:

    carnforth said:

    I’m told that of the 80 students who graduated at Exeter university in computer science just two have found jobs as Labour tax policies and AI have killed the market. Feel desperate for the grads who have given 3 years of their life and £60K to discover they’re unwanted.

    https://x.com/kelvmackenzie/status/2078893948966207507?s=20

    Putting aside his political rant, I would be interested to know if this is really true. Exeter is quite a highly ranked university. And those numbers feel so apocalyptic not to be believed.

    80 responded to the survey and 2 reported having found a job, or 10 responded and 2 reported?

    And department ranking and university ranking are different things.
    I mean we should start with the person tweeting, has known once or twice to get the facts wrong or it could be my mate's son goes there and he says only 2 people he knows have a job (and he doesn't actually attend any lectures and knows f##k all people on the course but not going to admit to his parents he spent 3 years in his room playing FIFA). Universities are pretty hot these days on pestering students about their employment status as they want all the data, but it could be a dodgy survey.
    From someone who did quite a few hiring rounds over the past couple of years - compsci students are a glut.

    Every single one seems to have done the same course and acquired the same skills and been told to write their CV and cover letter the same way. At one point last year I was getting around 80 compsci masters students applying for each post we had open.

    And you couldn't tell them apart. Totally generic "I gave institution N-thousand pounds and now I can say I did django, some jquery and can talk about microservices without really understanding them as that's what my lecturer said".

    Once in a while I get an application from a somewhat self-taught kid who's done an HNC and fiddled about with raspberry pi's and some random tech sh*t and I couldn't hire them quick enough.

    Anecdotally, there are a lot of unemployed graduates doubling down by doing their Masters. The jobs market is perhaps worse than post GFC when a lot of graduates were given offers to start a year from now. Many junior computing jobs have been passed to AI, and even mid-level jobs. As I may have mentioned, the young woman who serves my fish and chips has a degree.
    I've still not come across any sign of the AI stuff affecting hiring. Aside from the fever dreams of middle-management (who are more at risk than the actual junior IT staff). I've seen a few people not having their contracts renewed - but it's been more in the (again) management and product/project management roles and 'technical documentation' side. But 'actual' on-the-ground IT staff still seem to be in demand - junior, mid or senior.
    Where I am, the head of IT has taken the view that AI means every developer has a bunch of assistants. Assistants who are a very inexperienced, but have read a lot.
    While true, I'm getting to the point where a for the AI to be useful enough to justify cutting staff it costing roughly the same as the human being...
    The system we have is Accurx Scribe:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accurx

    The AI generated letters are rather patronising and waffley, and need proof reading for hallucinations, but it does actually work fairly well.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,397
    A game for the ages.

    Not.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,397
    Count Binface
    @CountBinface

    Wayne Rooney to be new BBC commentator for Eurovision. #VoteBinface
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,360

    A game for the ages.

    Not.

    A game that they have been playing for ages, without much of interest.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,397
    @Tomorrow'sMPs
    @tomorrowsmps
    ·
    2h
    🔵 MAIDSTONE & MALLING: MP Helen Grant announces she will stand down at the next election. She's the first MP this parliament to announce their retirement.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,160

    A game for the ages.

    Not.

    Either Fra - Arg or Esp - Eng would have been better.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,858
    At last. GOAL!! 1:0 Spain!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,614
    AT LAST!!!
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,360

    Count Binface
    @CountBinface

    Wayne Rooney to be new BBC commentator for Eurovision. #VoteBinface

    Binface to be the BBC football commentator would be an improvement.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,843
    Yes!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,694
    Yes!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,191
    IanB2 said:

    At last. GOAL!! 1:0 Spain!

    Dios mio!
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,445
    GET IN!!!!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,519
    Thank God!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,519
    Thank God!
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,270
    Woohoo!
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,685
    What's FIFA gonna do now?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,488
    edited July 19
    FIFA and the ref, I mean Argentina, are going to have to work really hard now.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,270
    geoffw said:

    What's FIFA gonna do now?

    Spain need to get another one in.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,160
    Hurrah. A game of football might finally break out.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,685

    geoffw said:

    What's FIFA gonna do now?

    Spain need to get another one in.
    Should be a crap shoot against 10 argies

  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,445
    Remarkable stat then.

    Shots SPA 20 - 0 ARG
    On Target SPA 12 - 0 ARG
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,598

    Hurrah. A game of football might finally break out.

    It's too late for that. This has been the worst final I can remember.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,580
    geoffw said:

    geoffw said:

    What's FIFA gonna do now?

    Spain need to get another one in.
    Should be a crap shoot against 10 argies

    I doubt it. Argentina finally attacking.

    Needs careful game management.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,449

    Remarkable stat then.

    Shots SPA 20 - 0 ARG
    On Target SPA 12 - 0 ARG

    xG apparently only 1.94 - 0.00
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,270


    Where's the team photo?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,858
    edited July 19
    ..
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,614
    OFFSIDE!!
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,685
    edited July 19
    crap

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,598
    Pro_Rata said:

    Remarkable stat then.

    Shots SPA 20 - 0 ARG
    On Target SPA 12 - 0 ARG

    xG apparently only 1.94 - 0.00
    That sounds about right if you count the one wrongly disallowed.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,843
    nico67 said:

    Argentina are a fxcking disgrace with their negative football . Utterly shameful performance. Please Spain don’t fxck this up now .

    We should give Gibraltar to Spain if Spain win this, that's how much I want Argentina to lose.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,843
    What the feck was that from Nico Williams?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,488
    The Black Eyed Peas have let themselves go
    https://x.com/ALANMYERSMEDIA/status/2078936220470542529?s=20
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,270

    nico67 said:

    Argentina are a fxcking disgrace with their negative football . Utterly shameful performance. Please Spain don’t fxck this up now .

    We should give Gibraltar to Spain if Spain win this, that's how much I want Argentina to lose.
    I'm in a hotel in Mallorca with my kids fast asleep and I can hear British guys screaming "come on!" from neighbouring rooms and houses.

    No-one is supporting Argentina.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,843

    nico67 said:

    Argentina are a fxcking disgrace with their negative football . Utterly shameful performance. Please Spain don’t fxck this up now .

    It's the worst behaviour I can ever recall seeing.

    They deserve to be trounced, not just lose 1-0
    The 1990 final was worse than this, utter shithousery from Argentina from start to finish, ended up with 2 players sent off as they lost to West Germany.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,685

    nico67 said:

    Argentina are a fxcking disgrace with their negative football . Utterly shameful performance. Please Spain don’t fxck this up now .

    We should give Gibraltar to Spain if Spain win this, that's how much I want Argentina to lose.
    I'm in a hotel in Mallorca with my kids fast asleep and I can hear British guys screaming "come on!" from neighbouring rooms and houses.

    No-one is supporting Argentina.
    For Crissake you're in Spain!

  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,589

    nico67 said:

    Argentina are a fxcking disgrace with their negative football . Utterly shameful performance. Please Spain don’t fxck this up now .

    We should give Gibraltar to Spain if Spain win this, that's how much I want Argentina to lose.
    I’ve always thought we should give them the isle of Portland, and we can keep Gibraltar. Similar shape and geology. Useful Spanish naval base location. And imagine the excellent tourism and stag do opportunities for us.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,488

    nico67 said:

    Argentina are a fxcking disgrace with their negative football . Utterly shameful performance. Please Spain don’t fxck this up now .

    We should give Gibraltar to Spain if Spain win this, that's how much I want Argentina to lose.
    I'm in a hotel in Mallorca with my kids fast asleep and I can hear British guys screaming "come on!" from neighbouring rooms and houses.

    No-one is supporting Argentina.
    The Millwall of international football.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,977
    5 minutes added. LOL...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,397
    Fuck FIFA
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,598
    How can you have 5 minutes added to 15? That's ridiculous.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 5,021
    The football is officially going on forever.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,580

    5 minutes added. LOL...

    Messi-time...
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,843

    5 minutes added. LOL...

    Bascially they'll keep on playing until Argentina score.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,445
    LOL, what a joke giving 5 minutes added to Extra Time because of all the stoppages Argentina are behind.

    There wasn't even that long added on to the second half, when there was 3 minutes of a hydration break.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,397

    5 minutes added. LOL...

    Bascially they'll keep on playing until Argentina score.
    Feels that way.

    Just depressing.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,694
    5 minutes my arse!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,598

    5 minutes added. LOL...

    Bascially they'll keep on playing until Argentina score.
    The economics of football.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,858
    A miserable match ameliorated only by having avoided the greater misery of the wrong side winning.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,939
    👍👍
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,614
    HUZZAH!!!!!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,397
    Praise the gods
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,445
    Best team won, and glad they did!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,580
    IanB2 said:

    A miserable match ameliorated only by having avoided the greater misery of the wrong side winning.

    I had Spain in the Predictions contest 😎
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,205
    Lovely jubly
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,614
    Peron, Galtieri, Maradonna, Batistuta, Messi, your boys took one hell of a beating!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,397
    Fuck u FIFA.

    Your boys were beat.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,270

    Fuck FIFA

    Please, I love America!
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,685
    DavidL said:

    5 minutes added. LOL...

    Bascially they'll keep on playing until Argentina score.
    The economics of football.
    What does anyone gain by winning in such a way? Do they pat themselves on the back and say 'We played well'?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,580
    Worth staying on to see Trump give the Trophy to Messi, after a recount...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,397

    5 minutes my arse!

    Surprised it wasn't 11
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,270
    Thank fuck for that
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,360

    Peron, Galtieri, Maradonna, Batistuta, Messi, your boys took one hell of a beating!

    General Belgrano, you’re sunk again.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,999
    Uk government should withdraw the work visas for all premier league argie players
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,160
    Bad losers. Surprise surprise.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,977
    Time to turn off to avoid Trump stealing the Trophy.....
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,694
    Paredes punches Spanish players after the defeat.

    I wonder whether Trump will give us a Jesse Owens moment.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,191

    Paredes punches Spanish players after the defeat.

    I wonder whether Trump will give us a Jesse Owens moment.

    They are just a bunch of pathetic children.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,270

    Paredes punches Spanish players after the defeat.

    I wonder whether Trump will give us a Jesse Owens moment.

    As long as he doesn't try to kiss the captain.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,909
    Argentina a credit to sporting behaviour. How well they take defeat.

    Bunch of absolute arses every one.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,598
    AnneJGP said:

    DavidL said:

    5 minutes added. LOL...

    Bascially they'll keep on playing until Argentina score.
    The economics of football.
    What does anyone gain by winning in such a way? Do they pat themselves on the back and say 'We played well'?
    I really don't get it. They disgraced themselves and should have had more than 1 player sent off. The number of fouls on players who were running towards but not on the ball was disgraceful.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,694

    nico67 said:

    Argentina are a fxcking disgrace with their negative football . Utterly shameful performance. Please Spain don’t fxck this up now .

    We should give Gibraltar to Spain if Spain win this, that's how much I want Argentina to lose.
    I'm in a hotel in Mallorca with my kids fast asleep and I can hear British guys screaming "come on!" from neighbouring rooms and houses.

    No-one is supporting Argentina.
    The Millwall of international football.
    The Restore of Internationat football.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,843

    Paredes punches Spanish players after the defeat.

    I wonder whether Trump will give us a Jesse Owens moment.

    Animals.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,270
    AnneJGP said:

    DavidL said:

    5 minutes added. LOL...

    Bascially they'll keep on playing until Argentina score.
    The economics of football.
    What does anyone gain by winning in such a way? Do they pat themselves on the back and say 'We played well'?
    They've probably taken a bit of a lead from Trump, who absolutely operates in this way.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,397
    Foxy said:

    Worth staying on to see Trump give the Trophy to Messi, after a recount...

    ICE to arrest the entire Spanish team as they get back on the coach?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,449
    The Americans won't do it, but they should be seriously booed throughout their collections of their LOOOSERS medals.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,843
    Cannot believe we have to wait four years until the next World Cup.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,445

    Paredes punches Spanish players after the defeat.

    I wonder whether Trump will give us a Jesse Owens moment.

    He put his hands on his neck too.

    Scum.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,445

    Paredes punches Spanish players after the defeat.

    I wonder whether Trump will give us a Jesse Owens moment.

    Animals.
    That's offensive.

    To drum playing muppets.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,694

    Cannot believe we have to wait four years until the next World Cup.

    If has been a fantastic event. Trump has mere minutes to fuck it all up. I wonder if Trump gets one of those disgusting signet rings.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,160
    edited July 19

    Paredes punches Spanish players after the defeat.

    I wonder whether Trump will give us a Jesse Owens moment.

    He put his hands on his neck too.

    Scum.
    Deleted
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,614
    Paredes got a Red Card right at the end!
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