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  • eekeek Posts: 34,545

    viewcode said:

    Had Starmer been what now appears to be himself since he became Prime Minister, he’d probably be looking forward to another term

    The stick seems to have been removed from his arse

    His problem was not the warmth of his personality or the lack therof. It was the fact that he was not competent at the job. Given the importance of the job this was not tolerable. He should have had that insight sooner and resigned on his own terms, but he dragged it out until he was forced out on somebody else's terms. He will shortly cease to be PM and that is right and proper.
    The job has beaten Starmer, but it beat Brown, May and Sunak in similarly dismal ways. In each case, it's not clear that there was an obviously better alternative whose path they were blocking. And whilst Cameron looked in confident command of the ship of state, it now rather looks like he confidently steered it into multiple icebergs.

    Running the country should be challenging. But perhaps not this challenging.
    This country is too centralised and way too much power has ended up in No 10 over the past 40 years.

    How you go about fixing that and not transferring even more power to the Treasury is something I hope Andy can start on but it's a 10-20 year task.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,556
    If Argentina win on merit that is fine. I only hope there is no leg up for them from FIFA.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,022
    Pro_Rata said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    KIRKLEES POST:

    Another go at electing a leader will take place tonight at a full council meeting scheduled from 5.30-9pm.

    Nationally there are currently two councils who have failed to select a leader, ourselves and Oldham, all other impasses, in such as Birmingham, Cambridge, iirc Chelmsford have been resolved. It seems over a lot of the last few years politics has often mirrored across Standedge, albeit in different variants.

    Previously, the two candidates, the Green leader of a coalition containing LD and varying Independents and the Reform leader have failed to gain the leadership. It is not an X vs Y FPTP vote, it takes the form of two votes, one for or against X (or abstain), one for or against Y.

    The Conservative group of 9 councillors have voted against both Green and Reform candidates in previous meetings, defeating both and saying they will only support a grand coalition.

    It seems a lot of the preliminary fact finding discussions and questions between the parties were conducted on copy to all councillor email chains with a view to transparency. (some of the article covering this, for which I bought a physical newspaper as a one off as the best form of reading - over £3!!! - is below).

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/kirklees-council-crisis-heated-confrontations-34150156

    It looks like the Reform leader Cllr Wood (of, "we don't know what an amendment is" fame) is quite a radical her way or no way type who stonewalls anything not entirely to her liking, and would have liked to meet opposing politicians individually and face-to-face (perhaps to pick off individual Conservatives) so refused to engage at all with the email discovery.

    It was also the Reform group that refused to countenance any rescheduling around the England game.

    She has lost two councillors since May, one went independent one resigned (by-election 13/8), so the numbers are:

    Green 12
    Varied Ind 14
    LD 5 (31 supporting Green coalition)

    Con 9

    Reform 27
    ex-Reform Ind 1 (27 or 28 supporting Reform)

    I think tonight some of the business prior to the vote will debate a Reform motion along the lines of "per precedent largest party should be able to form a cabinet" (let us be in charge). There is a Tory suggested amendment that in the circumstances the leadership only be valid for 12 months (Cllr Wood - "in they did not consult me on this amendment").

    The thought crosses my mind that the coalition grouping could all sign up as a single group and reveal they have greater numbers in a single political group than Reform, though I feel such a trick improbable.

    It does look to be edging a little towards a 12 month Reform led council though, the alternative being a process whereby the auditors invite the government to ultimately take over running of the council. I'm not at all certain of that outcome though.

    All will become clear, or not, tonight.

    Eldest granddaughter works for Kirklees! She and her colleagues are keeping their heads down and getting on with their jobs.
    Cllr Wood of Reform reported by Yorkshire Live as having been elected leader. Hopefully she's genned up a bit on things since May, though her stobbornness says not..
    Kirklees are interesting on active travel, as I think @Taz will affirm.

    They are way ahead from here; I'm currently having removal of a number of blatantly unlawful barriers NFAd for further action ("does not meet our criteria for taking further action"), so my thoughts are having to move on to potential legal strategy.

    But I need enough rejections (I would prefer action, of course), and FOIs, to understand the attitude and the tool I need to skin this particular cat.

    Every time I put in a report I explain the laws they are breaching, and suggest how it can be fixed sufficiently for now in half an hour or so of maintenance time, and that it is a litigation risk.

    A friend who did this in York spent his first 3 years talking to the Council, by which time he had succeeded in having ONE bollard moved precisely THREE feet. And they only started moving when he went legal.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,556

    Tuchel: “You don’t have to be a horse to be a good jockey.”

    Maybe this applies to the CoE post?

    Certainly the insistence that a Chancellor needs to be a trained economist is a recent one.
    Or someone who worked in accounts?
  • eekeek Posts: 34,545
    dixiedean said:

    kinabalu said:

    FF43 said:

    Kerching

    FT reporting Shabana Mahmood to be Burnham’s Chancellor.

    Certainly a better option than eco-nutter Milband, light fingered Haigh or Cooper-Balls. Surely can't be worse than Reeves.
    Given Mahmood has no experience in economics and as far we can tell no interest in it either, and her signature policy on immigration is directly inimical to growth, I would expect Mahmood to be worse than Reeves.

    Maybe she will surprise on the upside. Which is another way of saying there's no reason to believe she will.
    Utterly depressing, more stolid policies then a reform sweep 2029.
    RR was the first female Chancellor and it was made a big deal of. All the more so, I sense, because of the ongoing absence of a female Labour leader.

    I think it's possible that this would play into the thinking on the replacement. Context being Reeves has only done two years and the new leader is yet again male.

    It would, on this basis, devolve into a Mahmood v Cooper choice. And Mahmood is the sharper tougher politician of those two.

    Aftertime wisdom from me here though. I backed Pat McFadden.
    Not sure about the gender dynamics it just feels like the first true tell of the Burnham years. When he has to decide he'll lean rightward and from COE everything else follows. No borrowing beyond self contained rules, no national house building, limited industrial investment most likely for defence, no nationalisation of water. Seems we'll be getting Starmer mk2: a little shiner and more personable,
    I've been repeatedly assured by numerous posters that he's a dangerous Socialist who'll have the IMF in in weeks.
    Weeks? I'm expecting them to arrive by July 31st...
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,534
    edited 6:47PM
    MattW said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    KIRKLEES POST:

    Another go at electing a leader will take place tonight at a full council meeting scheduled from 5.30-9pm.

    Nationally there are currently two councils who have failed to select a leader, ourselves and Oldham, all other impasses, in such as Birmingham, Cambridge, iirc Chelmsford have been resolved. It seems over a lot of the last few years politics has often mirrored across Standedge, albeit in different variants.

    Previously, the two candidates, the Green leader of a coalition containing LD and varying Independents and the Reform leader have failed to gain the leadership. It is not an X vs Y FPTP vote, it takes the form of two votes, one for or against X (or abstain), one for or against Y.

    The Conservative group of 9 councillors have voted against both Green and Reform candidates in previous meetings, defeating both and saying they will only support a grand coalition.

    It seems a lot of the preliminary fact finding discussions and questions between the parties were conducted on copy to all councillor email chains with a view to transparency. (some of the article covering this, for which I bought a physical newspaper as a one off as the best form of reading - over £3!!! - is below).

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/kirklees-council-crisis-heated-confrontations-34150156

    It looks like the Reform leader Cllr Wood (of, "we don't know what an amendment is" fame) is quite a radical her way or no way type who stonewalls anything not entirely to her liking, and would have liked to meet opposing politicians individually and face-to-face (perhaps to pick off individual Conservatives) so refused to engage at all with the email discovery.

    It was also the Reform group that refused to countenance any rescheduling around the England game.

    She has lost two councillors since May, one went independent one resigned (by-election 13/8), so the numbers are:

    Green 12
    Varied Ind 14
    LD 5 (31 supporting Green coalition)

    Con 9

    Reform 27
    ex-Reform Ind 1 (27 or 28 supporting Reform)

    I think tonight some of the business prior to the vote will debate a Reform motion along the lines of "per precedent largest party should be able to form a cabinet" (let us be in charge). There is a Tory suggested amendment that in the circumstances the leadership only be valid for 12 months (Cllr Wood - "in they did not consult me on this amendment").

    The thought crosses my mind that the coalition grouping could all sign up as a single group and reveal they have greater numbers in a single political group than Reform, though I feel such a trick improbable.

    It does look to be edging a little towards a 12 month Reform led council though, the alternative being a process whereby the auditors invite the government to ultimately take over running of the council. I'm not at all certain of that outcome though.

    All will become clear, or not, tonight.

    Eldest granddaughter works for Kirklees! She and her colleagues are keeping their heads down and getting on with their jobs.
    Cllr Wood of Reform reported by Yorkshire Live as having been elected leader. Hopefully she's genned up a bit on things since May, though her stobbornness says not..
    Kirklees are interesting on active travel, as I think @Taz will affirm.

    They are way ahead from here; I'm currently having removal of a number of blatantly unlawful barriers NFAd for further action ("does not meet our criteria for taking further action"), so my thoughts are having to move on to potential legal strategy.

    But I need enough rejections (I would prefer action, of course), and FOIs, to understand the attitude and the tool I need to skin this particular cat.

    Every time I put in a report I explain the laws they are breaching, and suggest how it can be fixed sufficiently for now in half an hour or so of maintenance time, and that it is a litigation risk.

    A friend who did this in York spent his first 3 years talking to the Council, by which time he had succeeded in having ONE bollard moved precisely THREE feet. And they only started moving when he went legal.
    Unlikely.

    I know nothing about the place. You’re probably confusing it with the North East.

    My cycling, on my new e-bike, is limited to Durham, Gateshead and the Toon.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,556
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Farage v Binface has made it to Japanese TV!

    https://x.com/wokeratimarty/status/2077015805980459458

    I'm still wondering if Farage is actually going to hand his nomination papers in...
    Does he know where to find Clacton to hand them in?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,240
    Taz said:

    Tuchel: “You don’t have to be a horse to be a good jockey.”

    Maybe this applies to the CoE post?

    Mr Wilson was one of the greatest.

    Not horse !!
    He was a shadow. Never full CoE.

  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,742
    Mad stat, no other Premier League club has ever achieved this.

    A Tottenham Hotspur player will win this World Cup with his country. It's the third tournament in a row that will have happened.

    https://x.com/AlasdairGold/status/2077136804491194861
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,534
    edited 6:48PM
    Jockey Wilson !!

    He wasn’t a horse but he was a ruddy good jockey.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,742
    Hopefully the England players took some Viagra to help them get past a semi.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,839

    IanB2 said:

    Go Tuchel.

    We need to be good defensively, good when attacking, and take care of Messi. He clearly has everything covered off.

    Just to add that it would also be helpful if we scored more goals than Argentina.
    My prediction, fwiw, Argentina after penalties. I know.
    As I predicted Argentina to win the WC in the PB 2026 prediction competition I am suffering considerable cognitive disassociation, buyers remorse and gambling fever simultaneously. May the best team win or lose as the case may be.

    Is this a convenient and diplomatic moment to remind younger viewers that Alf Ramsey described the Argentinians as 'animals' in 1966? Our relations have been, let us say, spasmodic now for exactly 60 years. I remember well the furore at the time, and things have never fully recovered. It is 1966, not 1982 or the Hand of God that kicked things off.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,240

    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    ·
    2h
    “Set to” is a valuable journalistic phrase
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,228

    viewcode said:

    Had Starmer been what now appears to be himself since he became Prime Minister, he’d probably be looking forward to another term

    The stick seems to have been removed from his arse

    His problem was not the warmth of his personality or the lack therof. It was the fact that he was not competent at the job. Given the importance of the job this was not tolerable. He should have had that insight sooner and resigned on his own terms, but he dragged it out until he was forced out on somebody else's terms. He will shortly cease to be PM and that is right and proper.
    The job has beaten Starmer, but it beat Brown, May and Sunak in similarly dismal ways. In each case, it's not clear that there was an obviously better alternative whose path they were blocking. And whilst Cameron looked in confident command of the ship of state, it now rather looks like he confidently steered it into multiple icebergs.

    Running the country should be challenging. But perhaps not this challenging.
    We should do it the same way Finland does: the PM is in charge of domestic politics but the Foreign Secretary does foreign affairs. There are only three external domains the PM *must* attend to: US, Russia, China. The rest can be legitimately farmed off to the Foreign Secretary(s). We can have a FS for the EU, a FS for the Commonwealth, a FS for Africa, a FS for South America and so on. This reducing the workload down to doable levels.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,921
    Any predictions?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,906

    Hopefully the England players took some Viagra to help them get past a semi.

    You wood say that....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,742
    Taz said:

    Jockey Wilson !!

    He wasn’t a horse but he was a ruddy good jockey.

    Dexy's Midnight Runners even did a song about him.


  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,155

    Mad stat, no other Premier League club has ever achieved this.

    A Tottenham Hotspur player will win this World Cup with his country. It's the third tournament in a row that will have happened.

    https://x.com/AlasdairGold/status/2077136804491194861

    West Ham did it three times in 1966.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,742

    Mad stat, no other Premier League club has ever achieved this.

    A Tottenham Hotspur player will win this World Cup with his country. It's the third tournament in a row that will have happened.

    https://x.com/AlasdairGold/status/2077136804491194861

    West Ham did it three times in 1966.
    That's a different stat.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,802
    We beat Mexico at over 7,000 feet asl in their home stadium against a massive home crowd. This one shouldn’t be so bad.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,906

    Mad stat, no other Premier League club has ever achieved this.

    A Tottenham Hotspur player will win this World Cup with his country. It's the third tournament in a row that will have happened.

    https://x.com/AlasdairGold/status/2077136804491194861

    The Spurs that nearly got relegated? That Spurs?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,520
    I’m a nervous wreck already !
  • MattWMattW Posts: 34,022
    Taz said:

    MattW said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    KIRKLEES POST:

    Another go at electing a leader will take place tonight at a full council meeting scheduled from 5.30-9pm.

    Nationally there are currently two councils who have failed to select a leader, ourselves and Oldham, all other impasses, in such as Birmingham, Cambridge, iirc Chelmsford have been resolved. It seems over a lot of the last few years politics has often mirrored across Standedge, albeit in different variants.

    Previously, the two candidates, the Green leader of a coalition containing LD and varying Independents and the Reform leader have failed to gain the leadership. It is not an X vs Y FPTP vote, it takes the form of two votes, one for or against X (or abstain), one for or against Y.

    The Conservative group of 9 councillors have voted against both Green and Reform candidates in previous meetings, defeating both and saying they will only support a grand coalition.

    It seems a lot of the preliminary fact finding discussions and questions between the parties were conducted on copy to all councillor email chains with a view to transparency. (some of the article covering this, for which I bought a physical newspaper as a one off as the best form of reading - over £3!!! - is below).

    https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/kirklees-council-crisis-heated-confrontations-34150156

    It looks like the Reform leader Cllr Wood (of, "we don't know what an amendment is" fame) is quite a radical her way or no way type who stonewalls anything not entirely to her liking, and would have liked to meet opposing politicians individually and face-to-face (perhaps to pick off individual Conservatives) so refused to engage at all with the email discovery.

    It was also the Reform group that refused to countenance any rescheduling around the England game.

    She has lost two councillors since May, one went independent one resigned (by-election 13/8), so the numbers are:

    Green 12
    Varied Ind 14
    LD 5 (31 supporting Green coalition)

    Con 9

    Reform 27
    ex-Reform Ind 1 (27 or 28 supporting Reform)

    I think tonight some of the business prior to the vote will debate a Reform motion along the lines of "per precedent largest party should be able to form a cabinet" (let us be in charge). There is a Tory suggested amendment that in the circumstances the leadership only be valid for 12 months (Cllr Wood - "in they did not consult me on this amendment").

    The thought crosses my mind that the coalition grouping could all sign up as a single group and reveal they have greater numbers in a single political group than Reform, though I feel such a trick improbable.

    It does look to be edging a little towards a 12 month Reform led council though, the alternative being a process whereby the auditors invite the government to ultimately take over running of the council. I'm not at all certain of that outcome though.

    All will become clear, or not, tonight.

    Eldest granddaughter works for Kirklees! She and her colleagues are keeping their heads down and getting on with their jobs.
    Cllr Wood of Reform reported by Yorkshire Live as having been elected leader. Hopefully she's genned up a bit on things since May, though her stobbornness says not..
    Kirklees are interesting on active travel, as I think @Taz will affirm.

    They are way ahead from here; I'm currently having removal of a number of blatantly unlawful barriers NFAd for further action ("does not meet our criteria for taking further action"), so my thoughts are having to move on to potential legal strategy.

    But I need enough rejections (I would prefer action, of course), and FOIs, to understand the attitude and the tool I need to skin this particular cat.

    Every time I put in a report I explain the laws they are breaching, and suggest how it can be fixed sufficiently for now in half an hour or so of maintenance time, and that it is a litigation risk.

    A friend who did this in York spent his first 3 years talking to the Council, by which time he had succeeded in having ONE bollard moved precisely THREE feet. And they only started moving when he went legal.
    Unlikely.

    I know nothing about the place. You’re probably confusing it with the North East.

    My cycling, on my new e-bike, is limited to Durham, Gateshead and the Toon.
    Aha. I had you in a slightly different area. Thanks.

    Oh I remember - I think it was Pagan2 who was in that area.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,534
    Can’t believe I just heard ‘Are you ready to Rumbllllllllllllllllllle’

    Love it

    The spirit of Michael Buffer !
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,742
    A friend has sent this message to me, he says

    'I haven't been this nervous about a semi since I watched Brokeback Mountain.'
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,906
    Andy_JS said:

    Any predictions?

    4-4 after 90 minutes.

    I'm watching with a guy just out of hospital for heart surgery. I'm not entirely sure he'd survive the full 90....
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,534

    Taz said:

    Jockey Wilson !!

    He wasn’t a horse but he was a ruddy good jockey.

    Dexy's Midnight Runners even did a song about him.


    I remember it when it went out live

    Class.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,308
    Andy_JS said:

    Any predictions?

    Somebody is getting banished to Tory Home....
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,742

    Mad stat, no other Premier League club has ever achieved this.

    A Tottenham Hotspur player will win this World Cup with his country. It's the third tournament in a row that will have happened.

    https://x.com/AlasdairGold/status/2077136804491194861

    The Spurs that nearly got relegated? That Spurs?
    Spurs are European Royalty.

    They've won more UEFA trophies than Arsenal including the most recent one.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,533
    God save the king!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,742
    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Jockey Wilson !!

    He wasn’t a horse but he was a ruddy good jockey.

    Dexy's Midnight Runners even did a song about him.


    I remember it when it went out live

    Class.

    Some say it was deliberate, some say it was an error, either way, it was soo funny
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,802
    Crap sound in the stadium
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,817
    Argentina win on anthems.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,556

    Mad stat, no other Premier League club has ever achieved this.

    A Tottenham Hotspur player will win this World Cup with his country. It's the third tournament in a row that will have happened.

    https://x.com/AlasdairGold/status/2077136804491194861

    So it was so close to a Championship player in all four Semi sides.

    Oh Goodness. That misery Shearer is summarising.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 37,155
    Sandpit said:

    God save the king!!

    GSTK and cut to David Beckham.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,240
    England expects that every man will do his duty

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,240
    England expects that every man will do his duty

  • jonny83jonny83 Posts: 1,281
    Close physical game, will be at least one red card. England to sneak it 2-1. Spain will be too much for England in the final.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,921
    I'll got for 2-2 after 90 mins+stoppgage time, before extra time. Not sure after that.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,802
    edited 6:58PM
    Buy whatever the spreads are offering on yellow cards
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,502
    I am ready, man! Ready to get it on!
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,534

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    Jockey Wilson !!

    He wasn’t a horse but he was a ruddy good jockey.

    Dexy's Midnight Runners even did a song about him.


    I remember it when it went out live

    Class.

    Some say it was deliberate, some say it was an error, either way, it was soo funny
    I have no doubt whatsoever it was intentional.

    Probably a joke by the production crew.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,802
    Andy_JS said:

    I'll got for 2-2 after 90 mins+stoppgage time, before extra time. Not sure after that.

    At least we can now relax for ninety minutes?

    *never bet against Andy_JS*
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,802
    Like I said, buy the spreads on yellows. Our players don’t even need to be near the ball to get into a fight
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,534
    Shearer ‘Argy Bargy in the middle of the park, bring it on”

    I’m guessing the more woke elements at the BBC won’t be chuffed at that.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,596
    edited 7:09PM
    The battle of Atlanta.

    Rodger’s likely in to drift central and James supply width and crosses, a completely different plan from all other games LF to offer wide.

    Key for me is Messi only plays walking football these days and Alverez not natural at 9 so both will play in Englands hands by standing off not trying to drag England defence about.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,533
    South Americans trying to draw cards from the ref. How unusual.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,921
    The Falklands War has resumed I see. (Joke).
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,802
    How many men will be left on the pitch come game end?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,512
    No way are 22 men going to be on the pitch at the whistle.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,534
    Impressive and bright start from England.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,118
    Argentina playing about as cleanly as a dockside hooker at the moment.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,663
    "At some point a football match will break out"
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,534
    One for @Foxy


    Leeds United are taking legal action against Leicester City after being denied automatic promotion in 2023-24, when the latter broke financial rules.

    They feel they missed out on significant funds as a result of Leicester's PSR breach #lufc


    https://x.com/berencross/status/2077444520891777307?s=61
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 277
    Is there football on tonight...Asking for a friend?

    Peter.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,512
    Taz said:

    One for @Foxy


    Leeds United are taking legal action against Leicester City after being denied automatic promotion in 2023-24, when the latter broke financial rules.

    They feel they missed out on significant funds as a result of Leicester's PSR breach #lufc


    https://x.com/berencross/status/2077444520891777307?s=61

    Yes, been knocking around for months that one.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,802

    Is there football on tonight...Asking for a friend?

    Peter.

    A punchup masquerading as a potential football match
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,742
    Annual reminder the Mbappe remains the only footballer named after two degrees you can get from Oxford.

    https://x.com/sidin/status/2077109392189595773
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 5,005
    Is this going to be like that France-Paraguay game?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,118
    Do Argentina know that football is a game played standing up?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,308

    Is this going to be like that France-Paraguay game?

    Can see this ref give England a red card despite 99 fouls from Argentina.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,512
    Ref needs to get a grip on this.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,802
    edited 7:18PM
    Whoever wins this will be carrying so many knocks and bumps that Spain has the final in the bag
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,118
    Foxy said:

    Ref needs to get a grip on this.

    That's assuming he hasn't been "prepped" by FIFA.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,512
    IanB2 said:

    Whoever wins this will be carrying so many knocks and bumps that Spain has the final in the bag

    There's a high chance of real injuries in this sort of game.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,512
    No one in the box for these crosses.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,118
    If England have a chance here it's because Argentina are clearly way too emotional about this game.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,534
    IanB2 said:

    Whoever wins this will be carrying so many knocks and bumps that Spain has the final in the bag

    There’s a few on yellow cards that need to be careful too
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,512

    If England have a chance here it's because Argentina are clearly way too emotional about this game.

    They are trying to provoke. It isn't emotion, its the plan.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,118
    IanB2 said:

    Whoever wins this will be carrying so many knocks and bumps that Spain has the final in the bag

    Yes, I think that's very likely.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,025

    If England have a chance here it's because Argentina are clearly way too emotional about this game.

    It’s not emotion, it’s because they know England are better. They’re having to go to the dark arts tonight.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,502
    Phew! we survived unscathed up to the hydration break!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,533
    Air conditioned indoor stadium in Atlanta, but somehow we need a “hydration break”…
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,308
    Argentina rugby team appear to have turned up for this game.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,910
    World class shithousery.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,913
    Taz said:

    IanB2 said:

    Whoever wins this will be carrying so many knocks and bumps that Spain has the final in the bag

    There’s a few on yellow cards that need to be careful too
    I thought they were wiped after the quarter finals?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,802
    Sandpit said:

    Air conditioned indoor stadium in Atlanta, but somehow we need a “hydration break”…

    US TV fills the gap with adverts
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,988
    Foxy said:

    No way are 22 men going to be on the pitch at the whistle.

    No cards in the first quarter. Some sort of miracle.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,802
    edited 7:28PM
    One foul almost every two minutes so far
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 15,596
    Stately start from England.

    Simonee son of Simonee has no class.

    Tactically it could be Man City v Chelsea in that Champions League final.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,800
    Sandpit said:

    Air conditioned indoor stadium in Atlanta, but somehow we need a “hydration break”…

    In American, 'hyrdration' is spelt 'advertising'.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,921
    The Argentinians are desperate to provoke us into getting the first card. Hopefully we won't fall for it.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,025
    Lol, they know their audience, but yeah, they're scum:


  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,533
    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Air conditioned indoor stadium in Atlanta, but somehow we need a “hydration break”…

    US TV fills the gap with adverts
    I know that, you know that, everybody knows that, but no-one dares to actually call them out on it.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,534
    rcs1000 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Air conditioned indoor stadium in Atlanta, but somehow we need a “hydration break”…

    In American, 'hyrdration' is spelt 'advertising'.
    I didn’t think that type of flour was popular over there.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,871
    SKS said today in his last PMQs that Labour was "found to be institutionally antisemitic", presumably by the EHRC.

    This is a total and complete lie. Straightforward fabrication. As a lawyer, he must know it's a lie.

    He really is the most execrably dishonest man, who seems to have forgotten he's been forced out of power discredited by his association with Mandelson, disgraced by his complicity in genocide and so reviled by voters that his Party has to find a new leader from outside of the PLP to try rescue his government from electoral oblivion.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,921

    If England have a chance here it's because Argentina are clearly way too emotional about this game.

    1982 is still on their minds, even though none of the team was alive then.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,556
    This referee is not going to be much use to us. No Argy yellows yet and they are kicking lumps out of us.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,913
    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Air conditioned indoor stadium in Atlanta, but somehow we need a “hydration break”…

    US TV fills the gap with adverts
    I know that, you know that, everybody knows that, but no-one dares to actually call them out on it.
    ..


  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,533
    How is that blatant trip not a booking? 📒
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,671

    If England have a chance here it's because Argentina are clearly way too emotional about this game.

    I find it hard to believe that the England players give two hoots about the Falklands either way. Even if they've ever heard of the place.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,921
    I wonder if the more traditionally protestant areas of Scotland are less likely to be supporting Argentina tonight than the traditionally Catholic areas. Particularly those areas of Scotland with a strong British military tradition.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,533

    SKS said today in his last PMQs that Labour was "found to be institutionally antisemitic", presumably by the EHRC.

    This is a total and complete lie. Straightforward fabrication. As a lawyer, he must know it's a lie.

    He really is the most execrably dishonest man, who seems to have forgotten he's been forced out of power discredited by his association with Mandelson, disgraced by his complicity in genocide and so reviled by voters that his Party has to find a new leader from outside of the PLP to try rescue his government from electoral oblivion.

    If England don’t make the final, will it be Israel’s fault?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,742
    tlg86 said:

    Lol, they know their audience, but yeah, they're scum:


    All tournament Liverpool have been posting when one of their players is about to play in a match.

    https://x.com/LFC/status/2071549239281262796/photo/1

    https://x.com/LFC/status/2066060571943039192/photo/1
  • ManOfGwentManOfGwent Posts: 324
    edited 7:37PM
    Andy_JS said:

    I wonder if the more traditionally protestant areas of Scotland are less likely to be supporting Argentina tonight than the traditionally Catholic areas. Particularly those areas of Scotland with a strong British military tradition.

    Not necessarily relevant to your point. But as an atheist Welshman, come on England!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,921
    I knew that would happen. We get the first yellow card.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,988
    Did he just book everyone to make up for it?
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,356
    Suddenly the FIFA Peace Prize doesn't look so dodgy.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,534
    First yellow card. An England player

    What a wonderful, impartial and fair ref we have.
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