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  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,766
    Probably just making sure to put our minds at rest.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,567
    edited 2:33PM

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    Always disappointing when a politician has an ugly house. Shades of Sturgeon.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,448

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    algarkirk said:

    Taz said:

    More wisdom after the event from Labour figures about Gaza desperate to ingratiate themselves with Burnham

    This time James Murray.

    I fully expect an Israel-sceptic Labour Party going forward. Gone is the uncritical support of the Far Right Israeli govt..

    Got to get the progressives back online.

    “ 'By the time we called for a ceasefire in Gaza, as an opposition party, it felt to me that it was overdue,' says Health Secretary @jamesmurray_ldn”

    https://x.com/skynews/status/2075468833301668163?s=61

    Oh, and thanks Robert.

    I wonder what broad and general government position and policy on Israel and its relations with the Arab/Islamic world, WRT both words and deeds, would command a reasonable degree of assent from the UK population?

    I don't think the general UK population cares about Gaza, nor do they give two hoots about Israel either.
    In fairness its pretty mutual. Neither the residents of Gaza nor Israel are likely to spend any time caring what we think.
    Though strangely Israel/Israelis seem to expend large amounts of effort and cash to influence opinion in the UK.
    Do you think Westminster, Holyrood and Cardiff are the only governments who waste money?
    I dare say Bibi considers months and months of Starmer & co wibbling and prevaricating over Gaza as money well spent. Israel having the right to cut off power and water to Gaza would have been a high point.
    You are assuming that there is a cause and effect here but wibbling and prevaricating is all that Starmer has done for 2 years. He really doesn't need any help, well he does, but you know what I mean.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,694

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    I just saw that too.
    WTF.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,448
    carnforth said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    Always disappointing when a politician has an ugly house. Shades of Sturgeon.
    But Sturgeon had the advantage of never noticing.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 868
    edited 2:40PM
    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,567
    Nigelb said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    I just saw that too.
    WTF.
    Though she was discovered by a carer. So if she needed carers, she may have been frail, and it could just be a fall down the stairs for example.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,765
    carnforth said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    Always disappointing when a politician has an ugly house. Shades of Sturgeon.
    I think 'ugly' is a bit harsh. It looks a bit dated to modern eyes is all.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,192
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    algarkirk said:

    Taz said:

    More wisdom after the event from Labour figures about Gaza desperate to ingratiate themselves with Burnham

    This time James Murray.

    I fully expect an Israel-sceptic Labour Party going forward. Gone is the uncritical support of the Far Right Israeli govt..

    Got to get the progressives back online.

    “ 'By the time we called for a ceasefire in Gaza, as an opposition party, it felt to me that it was overdue,' says Health Secretary @jamesmurray_ldn”

    https://x.com/skynews/status/2075468833301668163?s=61

    Oh, and thanks Robert.

    I wonder what broad and general government position and policy on Israel and its relations with the Arab/Islamic world, WRT both words and deeds, would command a reasonable degree of assent from the UK population?

    I don't think the general UK population cares about Gaza, nor do they give two hoots about Israel either.
    In fairness its pretty mutual. Neither the residents of Gaza nor Israel are likely to spend any time caring what we think.
    Though strangely Israel/Israelis seem to expend large amounts of effort and cash to influence opinion in the UK.
    Do you think Westminster, Holyrood and Cardiff are the only governments who waste money?
    I dare say Bibi considers months and months of Starmer & co wibbling and prevaricating over Gaza as money well spent. Israel having the right to cut off power and water to Gaza would have been a high point.
    You are assuming that there is a cause and effect here but wibbling and prevaricating is all that Starmer has done for 2 years. He really doesn't need any help, well he does, but you know what I mean.
    I wouldn’t be so crass as to suggest that Starmer could be bribed, but lobbying is about getting a voice at the big table. On the cushion that takes the shape of the last arse that sat on him metric, pretty sure Starmer would be shaped by arses that have funded him and his cabinet to the tune of £100,000s.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,694
    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    I just saw that too.
    WTF.
    Though she was discovered by a carer. So if she needed carers, she may have been frail, and it could just be a fall down the stairs for example.
    If true, not the worst of ways to go.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,811
    Shocking news re the reports about Ann Widdecombe.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,407
    edited 2:51PM
    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    I just saw that too.
    WTF.
    Though she was discovered by a carer. So if she needed carers, she may have been frail, and it could just be a fall down the stairs for example.
    The BBC have promoted to top story. Even as a bit of breaking news that strikes me that it could be something more than 'checking over a fall'. I rather hope I'm wrong and you're right.

    EDIT: BBC headline updated to "Police launch murder investigation" - male suspect
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,567
    Pro_Rata said:

    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    I just saw that too.
    WTF.
    Though she was discovered by a carer. So if she needed carers, she may have been frail, and it could just be a fall down the stairs for example.
    The BBC have promoted to top story. Even as a bit of breaking news that strikes me that it could be something more than 'checking over a fall'. I rather hope I'm wrong and you're right.
    Sadly, it may turn out that naming the house "Widdecombe's rest" with a bloody pig plaque on the garden wall was a poor idea.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,192
    SandraMc said:

    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.

    Does he become French or British?

    Zverev looks a beast, would fancy him in the final in this form.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,403
    SandraMc said:

    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.

    Zverev showing no Mersey.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 868
    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    I just saw that too.
    WTF.
    Though she was discovered by a carer. So if she needed carers, she may have been frail, and it could just be a fall down the stairs for example.
    Regarding stairs, it was a bungalow. But it might have been a split level bungalow. My mother lived in a bungalow but there were three steps between the living room and the kitchen.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,765
    SandraMc said:

    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    I just saw that too.
    WTF.
    Though she was discovered by a carer. So if she needed carers, she may have been frail, and it could just be a fall down the stairs for example.
    Regarding stairs, it was a bungalow. But it might have been a split level bungalow. My mother lived in a bungalow but there were three steps between the living room and the kitchen.
    The picture in the Sun shows at least part of it had a second story.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 868
    Fery out.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,567
    edited 2:53PM
    Police looking for white male suspect. Sounds a lot more certain now.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,403

    SandraMc said:

    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.

    Zverev showing no Mersey.
    Such is life.

    7-6, 6-2, 6-4
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,877
    Apparently they're looking for a male suspect. Sounds like it’s a bit more than crossing the t’s and dotting the i’s.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,694
    Pro_Rata said:

    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    I just saw that too.
    WTF.
    Though she was discovered by a carer. So if she needed carers, she may have been frail, and it could just be a fall down the stairs for example.
    The BBC have promoted to top story. Even as a bit of breaking news that strikes me that it could be something more than 'checking over a fall'. I rather hope I'm wrong and you're right.

    EDIT: BBC headline updated to "Police launch murder investigation" - male suspect
    "Our murder enquiry is moving at a significant pace" doesn't sound like a fall investigation.
    Damn.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,351
    SandraMc said:

    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.

    SNP BAAAD
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,482
    Andy_JS said:

    Shocking news re the reports about Ann Widdecombe.

    Yes, absolutely terrible news if true but we must let the police investigation run its course
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,765

    SandraMc said:

    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.

    Zverev showing no Mersey.
    Such is life.

    7-6, 6-2, 6-4
    Bloody amazing run and came up against the French Open winner playing really well. The key for Fery will be how he kicks on from here. Top 10 is not out the question (and if Draper can get back to fitness we could have two in the top ten).
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,811
    "Devon and Cornwall Police have launched a murder investigation after the death of Ann Widdecombe.

    Police officers were called to an address at Haytor, in Dartmoor, at around 11.40am on Thursday.

    The force said Widdecombe was found dead at the property and had sustained serious injuries. "

    https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-burnham-starmer-labour-tories-badenoch-farage-12593360
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 80,003

    SandraMc said:

    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.

    Zverev showing no Mersey.
    Such is life.

    7-6, 6-2, 6-4
    A shame, given what a disgusting person Zverev is. I was hoping Fery would wallop him.

    Hopefully Sinner or Djokovic will oblige instead.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,295

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    Gosh, how awful (if she was murdered)

    RIP.
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,960
    edited 3:01PM

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    algarkirk said:

    Taz said:

    More wisdom after the event from Labour figures about Gaza desperate to ingratiate themselves with Burnham

    This time James Murray.

    I fully expect an Israel-sceptic Labour Party going forward. Gone is the uncritical support of the Far Right Israeli govt..

    Got to get the progressives back online.

    “ 'By the time we called for a ceasefire in Gaza, as an opposition party, it felt to me that it was overdue,' says Health Secretary @jamesmurray_ldn”

    https://x.com/skynews/status/2075468833301668163?s=61

    Oh, and thanks Robert.

    I wonder what broad and general government position and policy on Israel and its relations with the Arab/Islamic world, WRT both words and deeds, would command a reasonable degree of assent from the UK population?

    I don't think the general UK population cares about Gaza, nor do they give two hoots about Israel either.
    In fairness its pretty mutual. Neither the residents of Gaza nor Israel are likely to spend any time caring what we think.
    Though strangely Israel/Israelis seem to expend large amounts of effort and cash to influence opinion in the UK.
    Do you think Westminster, Holyrood and Cardiff are the only governments who waste money?
    I dare say Bibi considers months and months of Starmer & co wibbling and prevaricating over Gaza as money well spent. Israel having the right to cut off power and water to Gaza would have been a high point.
    You are assuming that there is a cause and effect here but wibbling and prevaricating is all that Starmer has done for 2 years. He really doesn't need any help, well he does, but you know what I mean.
    I wouldn’t be so crass as to suggest that Starmer could be bribed, but lobbying is about getting a voice at the big table. On the cushion that takes the shape of the last arse that sat on him metric, pretty sure Starmer would be shaped by arses that have funded him and his cabinet to the tune of £100,000s.
    Its all around parliament. Plenty of MPs benefit from their friendship with Israel (CFI, LFI) meaning all expenses paid trips to the state and a good wedge for their election funds.

    https://www.trackisraellobby.uk/.
  • KnightOutKnightOut Posts: 284

    Andy_JS said:

    Dopermean said:

    Listened to Jo White, Labour MP for Bassetlaw '24 intake, on WATO.
    Campaigned as Labour, elected as Labour but wants Reform UK policies, I think because her constituents voted Reform in the council elections but possibly she's also quite Reform minded.

    It's disappointing that someone elected on the Labour manifesto isn't prepared to campaign for it once elected, I think she should just join Reform.


    But this is the future of UK politics. All parties becoming more like Reform. Even Ed Davey complained about the plans to remove Churchill from banknotes.
    Andy, politics is cyclical. What goes around comes around. Team Farage is not the long term future of British politics. Mind you authoritarians only have to win once...
    I think you might want to do a bit of research around authoritarianism. Banter bans, shutting down unfriendly media, blashphemy laws, rozzers coming round to warn you off saying anything too fruity, a papers please society - these are some of the accoutrements of actual authoritarianism. If your dictionary definition of authoritarian just says 'someone who once said something nice about Putin', perhaps you should upgrade from the Fisher Price edition.

    Indeed. I have no time whatsoever for Farage, and he's far from the 'Libertarian' he once dubiously claimed to be, but the most egregious examples of Authoritarianism are almost always to be found on the left.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,833
    No longer a vacancy for plucky British loser....
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,581
    Horrible news about Widdecombe. Assaults on elderly and/or vulnerable people disturbs me just as those on young children.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,175
    Absolutely shocking news about Anne Widdecombe.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,567

    No longer a vacancy for plucky British loser....

    Rather rude to Ann.
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,766
    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    I just saw that too.
    WTF.
    Though she was discovered by a carer. So if she needed carers, she may have been frail, and it could just be a fall down the stairs for example.
    The BBC have promoted to top story. Even as a bit of breaking news that strikes me that it could be something more than 'checking over a fall'. I rather hope I'm wrong and you're right.

    EDIT: BBC headline updated to "Police launch murder investigation" - male suspect
    "Our murder enquiry is moving at a significant pace" doesn't sound like a fall investigation.
    Damn.
    They do have to interview 25 million suspects.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,833

    Absolutely shocking news about Anne Widdecombe.

    Too soon...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,765
    ydoethur said:

    SandraMc said:

    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.

    Zverev showing no Mersey.
    Such is life.

    7-6, 6-2, 6-4
    A shame, given what a disgusting person Zverev is. I was hoping Fery would wallop him.

    Hopefully Sinner or Djokovic will oblige instead.
    Whats the goss on Zverev?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,972
    I thought it was odd just how much time GB News were spending on it this morning. I reckon they knew.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,173

    Absolutely shocking news about Anne Widdecombe.

    Wow. I thought she had died of natural causes. Murdered?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,567
    Dura_Ace said:

    Nigelb said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    Police investigating Ann Widdecombe’s death
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/07/10/police-investigating-ann-widdecombe-death/ (£££)


    POLICE are investigating the sudden death of Ann Widdecombe over fears she was murdered, it emerged today.

    The 78-year-old former Tory minister turned Reform UK politician was found dead at her Dartmoor home in Devon, on Thursday.

    It is understood she was found covered in blood after sustaining a serious head wound.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/39714312/ann-widdecombe-dead-police-suspicious/

    I just saw that too.
    WTF.
    Though she was discovered by a carer. So if she needed carers, she may have been frail, and it could just be a fall down the stairs for example.
    The BBC have promoted to top story. Even as a bit of breaking news that strikes me that it could be something more than 'checking over a fall'. I rather hope I'm wrong and you're right.

    EDIT: BBC headline updated to "Police launch murder investigation" - male suspect
    "Our murder enquiry is moving at a significant pace" doesn't sound like a fall investigation.
    Damn.
    They do have to interview 25 million suspects.
    Steve Bray, lead pipe, library.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,567

    ydoethur said:

    SandraMc said:

    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.

    Zverev showing no Mersey.
    Such is life.

    7-6, 6-2, 6-4
    A shame, given what a disgusting person Zverev is. I was hoping Fery would wallop him.

    Hopefully Sinner or Djokovic will oblige instead.
    Whats the goss on Zverev?
    He beats women (allegedly).
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,766
    If the Les Dawson tribute act died of Covid, which seems unlikely, then we finally have a winner for the pandemic dead pool. @nichomar
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,811
    "Tom Harwood
    @tomhfh

    This isn’t a murder investigation into a former politician.

    It’s a murder investigation into the hitherto currently serving Justice Spokeswoman for the Reform Party."

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/2075594931217809733
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,175
    RobD said:

    Absolutely shocking news about Anne Widdecombe.

    Wow. I thought she had died of natural causes. Murdered?
    Police have opened a murder investigation, seeking a white male suspect.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,482

    RobD said:

    Absolutely shocking news about Anne Widdecombe.

    Wow. I thought she had died of natural causes. Murdered?
    Police have opened a murder investigation, seeking a white male suspect.
    Tommy Robinson already stirring

    'A nationwide manhunt has begun for a "white male" as a murder investigation begins into former MP Ann Widdecombe’s death.

    Ann Widdecombe was found "covered in blood at her home in Devon after sustaining a serious head wound" according to reports.'

    https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/2075596801286066314?s=20
  • eekeek Posts: 34,487
    Andy_JS said:

    "Tom Harwood
    @tomhfh

    This isn’t a murder investigation into a former politician.

    It’s a murder investigation into the hitherto currently serving Justice Spokeswoman for the Reform Party."

    https://x.com/tomhfh/status/2075594931217809733

    Are they that desperate in Clacton that Farage needs sympathy votes?
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,712
    The Home Secretary and the police have asked people not to speculate about Widdecombe's death. So off we go, PB.

    Meanwhile - could this give Farage the excuse to call off the Clacton by-election as a mark of respect?
  • eekeek Posts: 34,487

    SandraMc said:

    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.

    Zverev showing no Mersey.
    Such is life.

    7-6, 6-2, 6-4
    Goes up to 36th in the rankings which means, I think, he has a guaranteed entry into events for the next year or so.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,877

    The Home Secretary and the police have asked people not to speculate about Widdecombe's death. So off we go, PB.

    Meanwhile - could this give Farage the excuse to call off the Clacton by-election as a mark of respect?

    The writ has already been signed and delivered.

    https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/632c49cd2e26ca0e3f952e9f/6a50bd7b25718b3c35df32cc_Writ received for by-election in Clacton July 2026 TDC JD.JPG
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,712
    Foss said:

    The Home Secretary and the police have asked people not to speculate about Widdecombe's death. So off we go, PB.

    Meanwhile - could this give Farage the excuse to call off the Clacton by-election as a mark of respect?

    The writ has already been signed and delivered.

    https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/632c49cd2e26ca0e3f952e9f/6a50bd7b25718b3c35df32cc_Writ received for by-election in Clacton July 2026 TDC JD.JPG
    Thanks, though I wasn't being serious.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,765
    eek said:

    SandraMc said:

    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.

    Zverev showing no Mersey.
    Such is life.

    7-6, 6-2, 6-4
    Goes up to 36th in the rankings which means, I think, he has a guaranteed entry into events for the next year or so.
    Yep - guaranteed entry to the main draw at the slams and all the other events will be after him too. Plus as he has very few points to defend from last year, any he gathers are just lifting him up the rankings. Not impossible he gets seeded at the US Open.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,826

    The Home Secretary and the police have asked people not to speculate about Widdecombe's death. So off we go, PB.

    Meanwhile - could this give Farage the excuse to call off the Clacton by-election as a mark of respect?

    Too late for that now. The wheels are in motion.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,302
    Cripes when I heard about Widdecombe, thought it was going to be another Bonnie Tyler type natural causes story tbh
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,302

    The Home Secretary and the police have asked people not to speculate about Widdecombe's death. So off we go, PB.

    Meanwhile - could this give Farage the excuse to call off the Clacton by-election as a mark of respect?

    Too late for that now. The wheels are in motion.
    Eh ? They've opened a murder investigation looking for a 'white male' suspect and are asking people not to err speculate ?

    I don't get this.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,826
    Pulpstar said:

    Cripes when I heard about Widdecombe, thought it was going to be another Bonnie Tyler type natural causes story tbh

    Well, she was 78, so Widdecombe was three years older than Tyler. But I guess the assumption that they're nearly dead anyway is one of the things that makes old people a bit more vulnerable to murder.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,811
    Social media is full of malicious communications regarding the death of Ann Widdecombe. Will anything be done about it, or does that law (which I don't agree with in the first place) only get applied to certain people?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,303

    eek said:

    SandraMc said:

    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.

    Zverev showing no Mersey.
    Such is life.

    7-6, 6-2, 6-4
    Goes up to 36th in the rankings which means, I think, he has a guaranteed entry into events for the next year or so.
    Yep - guaranteed entry to the main draw at the slams and all the other events will be after him too. Plus as he has very few points to defend from last year, any he gathers are just lifting him up the rankings. Not impossible he gets seeded at the US Open.
    Before this tournament he was 114th. If he loses every single match between now and the next Wimbledon he would still be ranked about 75th-80th going into it.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,773
    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,567
    Andy_JS said:

    Social media is full of malicious communications regarding the death of Ann Widdecombe. Will anything be done about it, or does that law (which I don't agree with in the first place) only get applied to certain people?

    For a start, you can't libel the dead. So that cuts some of it out, at least.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,826
    Andy_JS said:

    Social media is full of malicious communications regarding the death of Ann Widdecombe. Will anything be done about it, or does that law (which I don't agree with in the first place) only get applied to certain people?

    I believe a legal distinction is drawn between celebrating the death of a dead person (distasteful, but not illegal unless the death was perpetrated by a terrorist, in which case you would be guilty of glorifying terrorism) and calling for the death of living people.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,760

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,482
    edited 3:44PM
    Andy_JS said:

    Social media is full of malicious communications regarding the death of Ann Widdecombe. Will anything be done about it, or does that law (which I don't agree with in the first place) only get applied to certain people?

    On the left, on the right you can already imagine who social media posters are speculating carried out this awful murder
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,765

    eek said:

    SandraMc said:

    Fery sinking at Wimbledon.

    Zverev showing no Mersey.
    Such is life.

    7-6, 6-2, 6-4
    Goes up to 36th in the rankings which means, I think, he has a guaranteed entry into events for the next year or so.
    Yep - guaranteed entry to the main draw at the slams and all the other events will be after him too. Plus as he has very few points to defend from last year, any he gathers are just lifting him up the rankings. Not impossible he gets seeded at the US Open.
    Before this tournament he was 114th. If he loses every single match between now and the next Wimbledon he would still be ranked about 75th-80th going into it.
    Although a bad show at Wimbledon would then be catastrophic as he will be defending a lot.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,581
    edited 3:47PM

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    Alternatively: domestic clean energy generation close to large urban population centre and existing transmission, constructed on ecological desert agricultural monoculture adjacent to an industrial estate, rejected by NIMBYs.

    This is why we need nodal pricing. NIMBYism is perfectly rational unless people enjoy energy cost discounts for living next to this stuff.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,482
    edited 3:46PM
    Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch has been responding to the news of the police’s murder investigation into the death of Ann Widdecombe.

    “I’ve been stunned to hear this awful news," she says during a visit to Portsmouth.

    “To be honest, I’ve really struggled to find the words.

    “Ann Widdecombe was a very fun and feisty woman who spoke her mind.

    “She was 78 years old. She was an elderly woman. I don’t understand how someone could do something so horrific to an elderly person.

    “It was a nasty, horrific attack. My heart is breaking for her family."

    Badenoch continues: “It is one thing when someone dies but to know they have been murdered in this horrible way is just awful.

    “The Conservative Party is reeling.

    “I want to convey my condolences to Nigel Farage and to everyone in Reform on behalf of the Conservatives because we’ve both lost a friend.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp9l8l05vxet
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,192
    edited 3:47PM
    Double uh oh.

    Tory ex-MP #AnnWiddecombe is dead!

    She opposed every gay law reform for 40 years, supporting every legal discrimination against LGBTs

    She also backed bids to 'cure' homosexuality & said people should have the right to discriminate against LGBTs

    BIGOT!

    https://x.com/petertatchell/status/2075573480590823652?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    You're a prick.

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/2075592256619200641?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,192
    HYUFD said:

    Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch has been responding to the news of the police’s murder investigation into the death of Ann Widdecombe.

    “I’ve been stunned to hear this awful news," she says during a visit to Portsmouth.

    “To be honest, I’ve really struggled to find the words.

    “Ann Widdecombe was a very fun and feisty woman who spoke her mind.

    “She was 78 years old. She was an elderly woman. I don’t understand how someone could do something so horrific to an elderly person.

    “It was a nasty, horrific attack. My heart is breaking for her family."

    Badenoch continues: “It is one thing when someone dies but to know they have been murdered in this horrible way is just awful.

    “The Conservative Party is reeling.

    “I want to convey my condolences to Nigel Farage and to everyone in Reform on behalf of the Conservatives because we’ve both lost a friend.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp9l8l05vxet

    Kemi not holding back on the speculating then.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,302

    Andy_JS said:

    Social media is full of malicious communications regarding the death of Ann Widdecombe. Will anything be done about it, or does that law (which I don't agree with in the first place) only get applied to certain people?

    I believe a legal distinction is drawn between celebrating the death of a dead person (distasteful, but not illegal unless the death was perpetrated by a terrorist, in which case you would be guilty of glorifying terrorism) and calling for the death of living people.
    Please tell me this is not what the HS means by "speculation". Because for instance labelling her death (As someone has done on bluesky) as entertainment is not speculation.
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,943
    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    But lower food bills
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,411
    edited 3:52PM
    Agassi's analysis is good but it suffers from the handicap of being largely inaudible.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,581

    Andy_JS said:

    Social media is full of malicious communications regarding the death of Ann Widdecombe. Will anything be done about it, or does that law (which I don't agree with in the first place) only get applied to certain people?

    I believe a legal distinction is drawn between celebrating the death of a dead person (distasteful, but not illegal unless the death was perpetrated by a terrorist, in which case you would be guilty of glorifying terrorism) and calling for the death of living people.
    Surely celebrating the murder would also cross the line into incitement? So the timing really matters here.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,175

    Double uh oh.

    Tory ex-MP #AnnWiddecombe is dead!

    She opposed every gay law reform for 40 years, supporting every legal discrimination against LGBTs

    She also backed bids to 'cure' homosexuality & said people should have the right to discriminate against LGBTs

    BIGOT!

    https://x.com/petertatchell/status/2075573480590823652?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    You're a prick.

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/2075592256619200641?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Tatchell's always been a wrongun, the least we can say about him is that he is consistent in his awfulness.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,760

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    But lower food bills
    I thought you were 'state_go_away'?

    (Also, I would note that more solar power, means more gas for the Haber process, which means more fertilezer and therefore cheaper food.)
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,482
    edited 3:57PM
    PM Starmer now speaking says the most important thing is for the public to help the police arrest as quickly as possible the dangerous man who committed this act and come forward with any information. Starmer has already spoken to Farage and Burnham and the Chief Constable and sends his condolences to Ann Widdecombe's family and friends.

    Starmer won't be drawn yet on whether this was a politically motivated assassination as with the murders of MPs Jo Cox and David Amess
  • state_go_awaystate_go_away Posts: 5,943

    HYUFD said:

    Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch has been responding to the news of the police’s murder investigation into the death of Ann Widdecombe.

    “I’ve been stunned to hear this awful news," she says during a visit to Portsmouth.

    “To be honest, I’ve really struggled to find the words.

    “Ann Widdecombe was a very fun and feisty woman who spoke her mind.

    “She was 78 years old. She was an elderly woman. I don’t understand how someone could do something so horrific to an elderly person.

    “It was a nasty, horrific attack. My heart is breaking for her family."

    Badenoch continues: “It is one thing when someone dies but to know they have been murdered in this horrible way is just awful.

    “The Conservative Party is reeling.

    “I want to convey my condolences to Nigel Farage and to everyone in Reform on behalf of the Conservatives because we’ve both lost a friend.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp9l8l05vxet

    Kemi not holding back on the speculating then.

    HYUFD said:

    Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch has been responding to the news of the police’s murder investigation into the death of Ann Widdecombe.

    “I’ve been stunned to hear this awful news," she says during a visit to Portsmouth.

    “To be honest, I’ve really struggled to find the words.

    “Ann Widdecombe was a very fun and feisty woman who spoke her mind.

    “She was 78 years old. She was an elderly woman. I don’t understand how someone could do something so horrific to an elderly person.

    “It was a nasty, horrific attack. My heart is breaking for her family."

    Badenoch continues: “It is one thing when someone dies but to know they have been murdered in this horrible way is just awful.

    “The Conservative Party is reeling.

    “I want to convey my condolences to Nigel Farage and to everyone in Reform on behalf of the Conservatives because we’ve both lost a friend.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp9l8l05vxet

    Kemi not holding back on the speculating then.
    Nothing speculating there
  • StockyStocky Posts: 10,506
    Pulpstar said:

    The Home Secretary and the police have asked people not to speculate about Widdecombe's death. So off we go, PB.

    Meanwhile - could this give Farage the excuse to call off the Clacton by-election as a mark of respect?

    Too late for that now. The wheels are in motion.
    Eh ? They've opened a murder investigation looking for a 'white male' suspect and are asking people not to err speculate ?

    I don't get this.
    Pulpstar said:

    The Home Secretary and the police have asked people not to speculate about Widdecombe's death. So off we go, PB.

    Meanwhile - could this give Farage the excuse to call off the Clacton by-election as a mark of respect?

    Too late for that now. The wheels are in motion.
    Eh ? They've opened a murder investigation looking for a 'white male' suspect and are asking people not to err speculate ?

    I don't get this.
    Only just heard about this awful and shocking news.

    Have they said what leads them to suspect a white male? Camera footage somewhere presumably?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,527
    edited 3:59PM
    deleted
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,567
    Guess Farage did need that security money after all.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,581
    edited 4:02PM

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    But lower food bills
    80 hectares in the NE of England* is not going to put a dent in global food prices. Nor is the solar farm in energy prices tbf, but there are other reasons why you might value that more than the other.

    * rated only moderate for agricultural value, no SSSI etc etc
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,826
    Pulpstar said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Social media is full of malicious communications regarding the death of Ann Widdecombe. Will anything be done about it, or does that law (which I don't agree with in the first place) only get applied to certain people?

    I believe a legal distinction is drawn between celebrating the death of a dead person (distasteful, but not illegal unless the death was perpetrated by a terrorist, in which case you would be guilty of glorifying terrorism) and calling for the death of living people.
    Please tell me this is not what the HS means by "speculation". Because for instance labelling her death (As someone has done on bluesky) as entertainment is not speculation.
    There are two different things going on, I assume.

    One is people celebrating the death of a political opponent, which I think demeans the person who is doing the celebrating, but in truth I am a flawed person, and I expect to celebrate the death of the Presidents of at least two nuclear powers. With God's grace I will not have to wait long to so demean myself.

    The second is speculation about the motives for Widdecombe's murder. At present we have no information on which to base this, except for the race of the suspect, and so literally almost anything is possible. Some of this speculation might prove to be very upsetting to friends of the deceased, and some would have the potential to provoke civil disorder, were it to be taken seriously.

    It's become de rigeur for politicians and police to ask the public not to speculate in situations like this, because although it is pointless - we have no information to go on - it can have serious consequences. But, of course, it is very natural to try to come up with explanations for why such a thing would have happened. So I'm not surprised people speculate.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,826
    Eabhal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Social media is full of malicious communications regarding the death of Ann Widdecombe. Will anything be done about it, or does that law (which I don't agree with in the first place) only get applied to certain people?

    I believe a legal distinction is drawn between celebrating the death of a dead person (distasteful, but not illegal unless the death was perpetrated by a terrorist, in which case you would be guilty of glorifying terrorism) and calling for the death of living people.
    Surely celebrating the murder would also cross the line into incitement? So the timing really matters here.
    I think it would only be considered incitement if there was at least an allusion to repeating the act for other, possibly similar, victims. E.g. I would plead a fair cop to inciting the destruction of further Russian oil refineries, and not just celebrating the destruction of those that have already occurred.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,709
    HYUFD said:

    PM Starmer now speaking says the most important thing is for the public to help the police arrest as quickly as possible the dangerous man who committed this act and come forward with any information. Starmer has already spoken to Farage and Burnham and the Chief Constable and sends his condolences to Ann Widdecombe's family and friends.

    Starmer won't be drawn yet on whether this was a politically motivated assassination as with the murders of MPs Jo Cox and David Amess

    Nor should he. Assuming he knows not much more than we do, making any statement that might imply it was politically motivated would be terrible behaviour.

    We will know soon enough and really it makes bugger all difference to the fact that an elderly lady has been killed (assuming it turns out it was murder)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,811

    The Home Secretary and the police have asked people not to speculate about Widdecombe's death. So off we go, PB.

    Meanwhile - could this give Farage the excuse to call off the Clacton by-election as a mark of respect?

    Speculating is a no no, but celebrating her death is okay? Seems the wrong way round to me.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,281
    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    But lower food bills
    80 hectares in the NE of England* is not going to put a dent in global food prices. Nor is the solar farm in energy prices tbf, but there are other reasons why you might value that more than the other.

    * rated only moderate for agricultural value, no SSSI etc etc
    Trouble is that, if you live on or in the green belt, its main value is that you, personally, don't have any development around you. And whilst Bart's "if you don't own it, you don't get a say in what happens to it" has an elegant simplicity, it's not where we are and good luck winning an election on that platform.

    And I suspect that even if you offered people free energy bills forever, they would still rather not have the development.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,949
    edited 4:10PM
    carnforth said:

    Police looking for white male suspect. Sounds a lot more certain now.

    In that sort of house in that type of location, it is possible there is security camera footage, whcih would result in teh type of detail reported.

    So I'd just take it at face value, and hope the enquiry proceeds well.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,581

    Eabhal said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Social media is full of malicious communications regarding the death of Ann Widdecombe. Will anything be done about it, or does that law (which I don't agree with in the first place) only get applied to certain people?

    I believe a legal distinction is drawn between celebrating the death of a dead person (distasteful, but not illegal unless the death was perpetrated by a terrorist, in which case you would be guilty of glorifying terrorism) and calling for the death of living people.
    Surely celebrating the murder would also cross the line into incitement? So the timing really matters here.
    I think it would only be considered incitement if there was at least an allusion to repeating the act for other, possibly similar, victims. E.g. I would plead a fair cop to inciting the destruction of further Russian oil refineries, and not just celebrating the destruction of those that have already occurred.
    Interesting question. I’d suggest it is incitement because it encourages further politically motivated murders by implication, but NAL.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,760

    Double uh oh.

    Tory ex-MP #AnnWiddecombe is dead!

    She opposed every gay law reform for 40 years, supporting every legal discrimination against LGBTs

    She also backed bids to 'cure' homosexuality & said people should have the right to discriminate against LGBTs

    BIGOT!

    https://x.com/petertatchell/status/2075573480590823652?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q


    You're a prick.

    https://x.com/rupertlowe10/status/2075592256619200641?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    Tatchell's always been a wrongun, the least we can say about him is that he is consistent in his awfulness.
    Peter Tatchell being a prick is not new news.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,736

    HYUFD said:

    Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch has been responding to the news of the police’s murder investigation into the death of Ann Widdecombe.

    “I’ve been stunned to hear this awful news," she says during a visit to Portsmouth.

    “To be honest, I’ve really struggled to find the words.

    “Ann Widdecombe was a very fun and feisty woman who spoke her mind.

    “She was 78 years old. She was an elderly woman. I don’t understand how someone could do something so horrific to an elderly person.

    “It was a nasty, horrific attack. My heart is breaking for her family."

    Badenoch continues: “It is one thing when someone dies but to know they have been murdered in this horrible way is just awful.

    “The Conservative Party is reeling.

    “I want to convey my condolences to Nigel Farage and to everyone in Reform on behalf of the Conservatives because we’ve both lost a friend.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cp9l8l05vxet

    Kemi not holding back on the speculating then.
    None of that looks to be speculating to me, nor unreasonable in any way.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,826

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    But lower food bills
    80 hectares in the NE of England* is not going to put a dent in global food prices. Nor is the solar farm in energy prices tbf, but there are other reasons why you might value that more than the other.

    * rated only moderate for agricultural value, no SSSI etc etc
    Trouble is that, if you live on or in the green belt, its main value is that you, personally, don't have any development around you. And whilst Bart's "if you don't own it, you don't get a say in what happens to it" has an elegant simplicity, it's not where we are and good luck winning an election on that platform.

    And I suspect that even if you offered people free energy bills forever, they would still rather not have the development.
    I don't think winning an election is the main problem. The problem is that if there's no legal avenue for people to dispute what a neighbour does with their land then prime will turn to illegal methods to do so. We would see a rise in violence and intimidation and other civil disturbances.

    One of the roles of the planning system is to absorb and dissipate peoples frustrations, and provide a way for the most objectionable corners to be knocked off proposals so that people can reconcile themselves to them.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,581

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    But lower food bills
    80 hectares in the NE of England* is not going to put a dent in global food prices. Nor is the solar farm in energy prices tbf, but there are other reasons why you might value that more than the other.

    * rated only moderate for agricultural value, no SSSI etc etc
    Trouble is that, if you live on or in the green belt, its main value is that you, personally, don't have any development around you. And whilst Bart's "if you don't own it, you don't get a say in what happens to it" has an elegant simplicity, it's not where we are and good luck winning an election on that platform.

    And I suspect that even if you offered people free energy bills forever, they would still rather not have the development.
    Agree - though I think from the evidence in things like vouchers for walking 10,000 steps, people have irrationally large positive responses to even small incentives.

    And free year-round energy from living close to the local solar farm is a pretty big incentive.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,281

    HYUFD said:

    PM Starmer now speaking says the most important thing is for the public to help the police arrest as quickly as possible the dangerous man who committed this act and come forward with any information. Starmer has already spoken to Farage and Burnham and the Chief Constable and sends his condolences to Ann Widdecombe's family and friends.

    Starmer won't be drawn yet on whether this was a politically motivated assassination as with the murders of MPs Jo Cox and David Amess

    Nor should he. Assuming he knows not much more than we do, making any statement that might imply it was politically motivated would be terrible behaviour.

    We will know soon enough and really it makes bugger all difference to the fact that an elderly lady has been killed (assuming it turns out it was murder)
    Even if Starmer does know much more than we do, even if he has been told that the police have a pretty shrewd idea of who, what and why, such a statement would still be pretty terrible. If this case goes to trial, we will find out soon enough.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,760

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    But lower food bills
    80 hectares in the NE of England* is not going to put a dent in global food prices. Nor is the solar farm in energy prices tbf, but there are other reasons why you might value that more than the other.

    * rated only moderate for agricultural value, no SSSI etc etc
    Trouble is that, if you live on or in the green belt, its main value is that you, personally, don't have any development around you. And whilst Bart's "if you don't own it, you don't get a say in what happens to it" has an elegant simplicity, it's not where we are and good luck winning an election on that platform.

    And I suspect that even if you offered people free energy bills forever, they would still rather not have the development.
    Here's the thing: the Green Belt is just a subsidy from people who don't own their homes, and towards people who do own homes on the edge of large towns and cities.

    I find that quite morally hard to justify.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,482
    edited 4:19PM

    HYUFD said:

    PM Starmer now speaking says the most important thing is for the public to help the police arrest as quickly as possible the dangerous man who committed this act and come forward with any information. Starmer has already spoken to Farage and Burnham and the Chief Constable and sends his condolences to Ann Widdecombe's family and friends.

    Starmer won't be drawn yet on whether this was a politically motivated assassination as with the murders of MPs Jo Cox and David Amess

    Nor should he. Assuming he knows not much more than we do, making any statement that might imply it was politically motivated would be terrible behaviour.

    We will know soon enough and really it makes bugger all difference to the fact that an elderly lady has been killed (assuming it turns out it was murder)
    The political implications though if it was a politically motivated murder of a senior figure in Reform and former Tory minister would be huge, even more so than the Charlie Kirk killing in the US, though of course even if it wasn't it would still be a terrible murder
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,760

    HYUFD said:

    PM Starmer now speaking says the most important thing is for the public to help the police arrest as quickly as possible the dangerous man who committed this act and come forward with any information. Starmer has already spoken to Farage and Burnham and the Chief Constable and sends his condolences to Ann Widdecombe's family and friends.

    Starmer won't be drawn yet on whether this was a politically motivated assassination as with the murders of MPs Jo Cox and David Amess

    Nor should he. Assuming he knows not much more than we do, making any statement that might imply it was politically motivated would be terrible behaviour.

    We will know soon enough and really it makes bugger all difference to the fact that an elderly lady has been killed (assuming it turns out it was murder)
    Even if Starmer does know much more than we do, even if he has been told that the police have a pretty shrewd idea of who, what and why, such a statement would still be pretty terrible. If this case goes to trial, we will find out soon enough.
    Sources close to the Prime Minister have called upon the Police to investigate the movements of the former Mayor of Manchester.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,303
    rcs1000 said:

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    But lower food bills
    80 hectares in the NE of England* is not going to put a dent in global food prices. Nor is the solar farm in energy prices tbf, but there are other reasons why you might value that more than the other.

    * rated only moderate for agricultural value, no SSSI etc etc
    Trouble is that, if you live on or in the green belt, its main value is that you, personally, don't have any development around you. And whilst Bart's "if you don't own it, you don't get a say in what happens to it" has an elegant simplicity, it's not where we are and good luck winning an election on that platform.

    And I suspect that even if you offered people free energy bills forever, they would still rather not have the development.
    Here's the thing: the Green Belt is just a subsidy from people who don't own their homes, and towards people who do own homes on the edge of large towns and cities.

    I find that quite morally hard to justify.
    Good point that doesn't get enough attention. However it is not "just" that - it clearly does some other things too.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,694
    President Trump has indicated that the United States will seek rehearing of the Supreme Court's ruling on birthright citizenship.

    Rule 44 allows 25 days to seek rehearing. It requires the support of at least one Justice from the majority, and is rarely granted.

    https://x.com/olex_scherba/status/2075340025013690644
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,826
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    But lower food bills
    80 hectares in the NE of England* is not going to put a dent in global food prices. Nor is the solar farm in energy prices tbf, but there are other reasons why you might value that more than the other.

    * rated only moderate for agricultural value, no SSSI etc etc
    Trouble is that, if you live on or in the green belt, its main value is that you, personally, don't have any development around you. And whilst Bart's "if you don't own it, you don't get a say in what happens to it" has an elegant simplicity, it's not where we are and good luck winning an election on that platform.

    And I suspect that even if you offered people free energy bills forever, they would still rather not have the development.
    Agree - though I think from the evidence in things like vouchers for walking 10,000 steps, people have irrationally large positive responses to even small incentives.

    And free year-round energy from living close to the local solar farm is a pretty big incentive.
    A solar farm, like a battery energy storage site, is a pretty benign form of development as far as things go.

    Compare to a sewage works, pig farm, factory, housing estate, quarry or landfill site. Most people would choose the solar farm every time in preference.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,949
    edited 4:21PM
    Eabhal said:

    rcs1000 said:

    A good news story:

    "Plans for large solar farm rejected"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdy1x9wglo

    On greenbelt. Get to feck.

    All those people facing higher electricity bills will thank you for your help in this matter.
    But lower food bills
    80 hectares in the NE of England* is not going to put a dent in global food prices. Nor is the solar farm in energy prices tbf, but there are other reasons why you might value that more than the other.

    * rated only moderate for agricultural value, no SSSI etc etc
    It was well-argued opposition to it.

    I think they need to reconsider then come back with a modified proposal.

    It could be made acceptable in planning terms.

    https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/26264886.seaham-solar-park-plans-refused-durham-county-council/

    The circumstances of the decision are a little murky:

    The decision came after the developer submitted an appeal against the council for failing to determine the application within the required timescale. However, council officers said they had not received confirmation from the Planning Inspectorate that the appeal had been accepted.

    "It is extremely disappointing that this decision was made the day before this committee meeting," the council said.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,811
    "Madeline Grant
    @Madz_Grant

    Adam Boulton talking mean-spiritedly about Ann Widdecombe in front of what looks like a picture of himself. He describes her – a possible murder victim – as a 'spinster', a 'battleaxe', 'a bruiser', an 'old maid', and mentions her virginity, before speculating irresponsibly about her death. Horrible, horrible stuff"

    https://x.com/Madz_Grant/status/2075611852818563408
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