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A nice and humorous response from Andy Burnham – politicalbetting.com

Also probably the first time we’ve had a PM (or soon to be) and leader of the opposition who both look like they enjoy/relish the job rather than being pained by it since Blair-Cameron.

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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,780
    First. Like Andy.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,780
    dixiedean said:

    First. Like Andy.

    But not First Lord of the Treasury for me anytime soon.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,113
    Speaker going off again about announcements made other than in Parliament, this time on locations of asylum centre facilities.

    https://x.com/basilthegreat/status/2070123156870713562

    At what point does the Speaker start applying sanctions to ministers, given that this has been going on since 1997, under many PMs and many Speakers?
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 742
    This is about as good a response to KB's jibe at PMQs as he could muster.
    I still don't like Burnham, but he is infinitely more likeable than SKS
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,961
    Baffling.
    @tse seems to have bought into the Burnham fantasy. As I quite like being a member of PB I won't point and laugh as much as I should, but still!

  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,473
    Credit where credits due
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,140
    edited 3:33PM
    Omnium said:

    Baffling.
    @tse seems to have bought into the Burnham fantasy. As I quite like being a member of PB I won't point and laugh as much as I should, but still!

    No.

    He’s an improvement on Starmer but then again my cat would also be an improvement on Starmer.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,961

    Omnium said:

    Baffling.
    @tse seems to have bought into the Burnham fantasy. As I quite like being a member of PB I won't point and laugh as much as I should, but still!

    No.

    He’s an improvement on Starmer but so would my cat.
    Well in a years time I suspect you'll hold a different view. As your cat will be the PM though I'm not going to argue.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,113
    edited 3:37PM
    Sweeney74 said:

    This is about as good a response to KB's jibe at PMQs as he could muster.
    I still don't like Burnham, but he is infinitely more likeable than SKS

    You’d definitely choose Burnham over Starmer as the guy you meet for a beer or two.

    Personally I have a bit of a soft spot for him, for his work on the Hillsborough Inquiry.

    He got booed and shouted down by the memorial service Anfield crowd as SoS DCMS, and got a standing ovation from that same crowd a couple of years later.

    1st one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z3mBIi084Q
    2nd one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FedZPS1nrwk
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,594
    edited 3:37PM
    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,550
    Omnium said:

    Baffling.
    @tse seems to have bought into the Burnham fantasy. As I quite like being a member of PB I won't point and laugh as much as I should, but still!

    That’s a heck of a leap from the thread header. It is possible to say something nice about a politician without “buying into the fantasy”.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,961
    DougSeal said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling.
    @tse seems to have bought into the Burnham fantasy. As I quite like being a member of PB I won't point and laugh as much as I should, but still!

    That’s a heck of a leap from the thread header. It is possible to say something nice about a politician without “buying into the fantasy”.
    True, but as the salmon took the hook...
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,240
    Sweeney74 said:

    This is about as good a response to KB's jibe at PMQs as he could muster.
    I still don't like Burnham, but he is infinitely more likeable than SKS

    Burnham probably has the most 'normal' personal life of any PM since Cameron which must work in his favour as well.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,476
    I'm not sure Andy always looks like he's enjoying his job. I've been with him off and on all day - the restaurant car was the best place for reading and socialising - and he's been dour throughout. Even when he dropped off my chicken kebab just now there was a look of boredom combined with barely disguised contempt.

    I tell you what though, anyone who enjoys a long train journey (I've been on this for 17 hours a far and 3 to go) would love the Dogu Express. The views are incredible. I've managed to get 3/4 through the highly relevant Snow by Orhan Pamuk which is set in tonight's destination, Kars.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 742
    Sandpit said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    This is about as good a response to KB's jibe at PMQs as he could muster.
    I still don't like Burnham, but he is infinitely more likeable than SKS

    You’d definitely choose Burnham over Starmer as the guy you meet for a beer or two.

    Personally I have a bit of a soft spot for him, for his work on the Hillsborough Inquiry.

    He got booed and shouted down by the memorial service Anfield crowd as SoS DCMS, and got a standing ovation from that same crowd a couple of years later.

    1st one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z3mBIi084Q
    2nd one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FedZPS1nrwk
    I do give him credit for that.

    At the minute it feels like a lot of people are projecting onto him the sort of leader they wish the Labour government had, rather than judging him on what he’s actually saying and doing.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,476
    One of my cats would be a hopeless pm. The other I reckon could do a decent job.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,631

    Omnium said:

    Baffling.
    @tse seems to have bought into the Burnham fantasy. As I quite like being a member of PB I won't point and laugh as much as I should, but still!

    No.

    He’s an improvement on Starmer but then again my cat would also be an improvement on Starmer.
    My cat's vomit would be an improvement on Starmer.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,220
    2 lawyers employed by the Post Office have been charged by the Solicitor's Regulation Authority

    https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/sra-charges-two-solicitors-linked-to-post-office-scandal/5127169.article
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,240
    rcs1000 said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling.
    @tse seems to have bought into the Burnham fantasy. As I quite like being a member of PB I won't point and laugh as much as I should, but still!

    No.

    He’s an improvement on Starmer but then again my cat would also be an improvement on Starmer.
    My cat's vomit would be an improvement on Starmer.
    "Tough on furballs, tough on the causes of furballs."
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,780
    One other new thing for a PM.
    He's a natural on social media.
    Actually looks comfortable doing it.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,140
    rcs1000 said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling.
    @tse seems to have bought into the Burnham fantasy. As I quite like being a member of PB I won't point and laugh as much as I should, but still!

    No.

    He’s an improvement on Starmer but then again my cat would also be an improvement on Starmer.
    My cat's vomit would be an improvement on Starmer.
    The worst thing about Starmer is I fear he’s ruined the love and affection the public have for lawyers.

    He’s also ruined the perception that lawyers are brilliant.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,952
    rcs1000 said:

    Omnium said:

    Baffling.
    @tse seems to have bought into the Burnham fantasy. As I quite like being a member of PB I won't point and laugh as much as I should, but still!

    No.

    He’s an improvement on Starmer but then again my cat would also be an improvement on Starmer.
    My cat's vomit would be an improvement on Starmer.
    Would it be able to take responsibility for everything, by firing you?
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,552
    Be interesting to see how long Mr Burnham does enjoy / relish the job. He isn't even in post yet.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,170
    eek said:

    2 lawyers employed by the Post Office have been charged by the Solicitor's Regulation Authority

    https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/sra-charges-two-solicitors-linked-to-post-office-scandal/5127169.article

    Justice being delivered slower than from the Royal Mail.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,140
    MelonB said:

    One of my cats would be a hopeless pm. The other I reckon could do a decent job.

    All my cats would be bribery risks.

    Offer them some salmon and they’d do whatever you asked them to do.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,961
    AnneJGP said:

    Be interesting to see how long Mr Burnham does enjoy / relish the job. He isn't even in post yet.

    I think there's a chance that when Rachel shows him her bottom drawer he may pull out altogether.

    (I'd like to disassociate myself from my own post above :) )
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,113
    eek said:

    2 lawyers employed by the Post Office have been charged by the Solicitor's Regulation Authority

    https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/sra-charges-two-solicitors-linked-to-post-office-scandal/5127169.article

    Ooh, are we going to start seeing consequences for those involved?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,113
    Sweeney74 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    This is about as good a response to KB's jibe at PMQs as he could muster.
    I still don't like Burnham, but he is infinitely more likeable than SKS

    You’d definitely choose Burnham over Starmer as the guy you meet for a beer or two.

    Personally I have a bit of a soft spot for him, for his work on the Hillsborough Inquiry.

    He got booed and shouted down by the memorial service Anfield crowd as SoS DCMS, and got a standing ovation from that same crowd a couple of years later.

    1st one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z3mBIi084Q
    2nd one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FedZPS1nrwk
    I do give him credit for that.

    At the minute it feels like a lot of people are projecting onto him the sort of leader they wish the Labour government had, rather than judging him on what he’s actually saying and doing.
    Oh indeed. He still comes across as a totally empty suit, but at least he’s more personable and empathetic than the other empty suit he replaces.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,476

    MelonB said:

    One of my cats would be a hopeless pm. The other I reckon could do a decent job.

    All my cats would be bribery risks.

    Offer them some salmon and they’d do whatever you asked them to do.
    Mine take more of a Nigel Farage crypto approach: they'd take the Salmon, but "without any expectation of actually doing anything for the donor'.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 742
    Sandpit said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    This is about as good a response to KB's jibe at PMQs as he could muster.
    I still don't like Burnham, but he is infinitely more likeable than SKS

    You’d definitely choose Burnham over Starmer as the guy you meet for a beer or two.

    Personally I have a bit of a soft spot for him, for his work on the Hillsborough Inquiry.

    He got booed and shouted down by the memorial service Anfield crowd as SoS DCMS, and got a standing ovation from that same crowd a couple of years later.

    1st one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z3mBIi084Q
    2nd one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FedZPS1nrwk
    I do give him credit for that.

    At the minute it feels like a lot of people are projecting onto him the sort of leader they wish the Labour government had, rather than judging him on what he’s actually saying and doing.
    Oh indeed. He still comes across as a totally empty suit, but at least he’s more personable and empathetic than the other empty suit he replaces.
    Or, empty black dark blue t-shirt
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,550
    edited 3:57PM
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    2 lawyers employed by the Post Office have been charged by the Solicitor's Regulation Authority

    https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/sra-charges-two-solicitors-linked-to-post-office-scandal/5127169.article

    Ooh, are we going to start seeing consequences for those involved?
    Not yet. Jane McCloud is being referred for not cooperating with the inquiry by running off to Australia. The other, Gould, is a former solicitor of Seema Misra who appears to have raised dodgy invoices. Of the two only the latter, not a PO lawyer, will see consequences given McCloud is on the other side of the world. Significantly neither were heard from at the inquiry.

    I’ve no doubt that when Sir Wyn finally reports those who were questioned at the inquiry will be referred.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,594
    Omnium said:

    AnneJGP said:

    Be interesting to see how long Mr Burnham does enjoy / relish the job. He isn't even in post yet.

    I think there's a chance that when Rachel shows him her bottom drawer he may pull out altogether.

    (I'd like to disassociate myself from my own post above :) )
    'Bottom drawer' is an ancient expression redolent of a vanished world, though it was still around, in its meaning of "a young woman's collection of household linens, clothing, crockery, and cutlery, steadily gathered over years in preparation for her marriage"
    when I was much younger. If it is still around in that sense I have missed it!

  • eekeek Posts: 34,220
    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    2 lawyers employed by the Post Office have been charged by the Solicitor's Regulation Authority

    https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/sra-charges-two-solicitors-linked-to-post-office-scandal/5127169.article

    Ooh, are we going to start seeing consequences for those involved?
    The first one is aimed at the lawyer who moved to Australia rather than talk to the inquiry.

    Other seems to have been taking their postmaster clients for a ride
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,550
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    2 lawyers employed by the Post Office have been charged by the Solicitor's Regulation Authority

    https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/sra-charges-two-solicitors-linked-to-post-office-scandal/5127169.article

    Ooh, are we going to start seeing consequences for those involved?
    The first one is aimed at the lawyer who moved to Australia rather than talk to the inquiry.

    Other seems to have been taking their postmaster clients for a ride

    “ In a statement, Jonathan Peddie, executive director of investigations, enforcement and litigation at the SRA said: ‘We have referred two cases to the Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal. The cases refer to conduct that took place in the period after the main events of the Post Office Horizon scandal.

    ‘Our wider investigations are still ongoing. This includes issues relating directly to the Horizon scandal, where we are working closely with the Inquiry team and the Metropolitan Police. We can and will act if we find that solicitors we regulate fail to meet our standards.’”


    Wish Sir Wyn would hurry up so we can get some referrals of the others under investigation
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,635
    WFH today - the temperature maxed out at 29.0C at my desk. Thank goodness for a fan.

    Now enjoying a welcome breeze in the garden.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,272
    edited 4:05PM
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    2 lawyers employed by the Post Office have been charged by the Solicitor's Regulation Authority

    https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/sra-charges-two-solicitors-linked-to-post-office-scandal/5127169.article

    Ooh, are we going to start seeing consequences for those involved?
    The first one is aimed at the lawyer who moved to Australia rather than talk to the inquiry.

    Other seems to have been taking their postmaster clients for a ride
    duplicate
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,918
    I hope NZ don't bat deep.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,240

    WFH today - the temperature maxed out at 29.0C at my desk. Thank goodness for a fan.

    You've got to feel sorry for SKS in this weather.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,594
  • PJHPJH Posts: 1,158
    MelonB said:

    MelonB said:

    One of my cats would be a hopeless pm. The other I reckon could do a decent job.

    All my cats would be bribery risks.

    Offer them some salmon and they’d do whatever you asked them to do.
    Mine take more of a Nigel Farage crypto approach: they'd take the Salmon, but "without any expectation of actually doing anything for the donor'.
    I believe that of your cats. Not so of Farage.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,881
    Boris Johnson could do this too.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,170
    DougSeal said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    2 lawyers employed by the Post Office have been charged by the Solicitor's Regulation Authority

    https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/sra-charges-two-solicitors-linked-to-post-office-scandal/5127169.article

    Ooh, are we going to start seeing consequences for those involved?
    Not yet. Jane McCloud is being referred for not cooperating with the inquiry by running off to Australia. The other, Gould, is a former solicitor of Seema Misra who appears to have raised dodgy invoices. Of the two only the latter, not a PO lawyer, will see consequences given McCloud is on the other side of the world. Significantly neither were heard from at the inquiry.

    I’ve no doubt that when Sir Wyn finally reports those who were questioned at the inquiry will be referred.
    What an absurd system. If this was working class rather than middle class criminals there is no way the state would actively design a system that protects them from prosecution for a couple of decades.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,230
    tlg86 said:

    I hope NZ don't bat deep.

    With England's attack, and tomorrow's sunshine, they might have a crack at some test records tomorrow as they grind England into the dust.
    Highest innings total at Nottingham is 658.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,082

    WFH today - the temperature maxed out at 29.0C at my desk. Thank goodness for a fan.

    You've got to feel sorry for SKS in this weather.
    At least he doesn’t have to worry about his fan coming across his desk.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,881
    tlg86 said:

    I hope NZ don't bat deep.

    In this heat, I wonder if they could get De Kock out.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,961

    Boris Johnson could do this too.

    Indeed. Commenting on PB is easy. We're all delighted that you've embraced a possible mentor. Not sure about the choice mind. Still, if you keep at it I'm sure you'll master it eventually.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,113
    tlg86 said:

    I hope NZ don't bat deep.

    What on Earth is this pitch? One extreme to the other!
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,028
    Also probably the first time we’ve had a PM (or soon to be) and leader of the opposition who both look like they enjoy/relish the job rather than being pained by it since Blair-Cameron.

    What about Boris-Corbyn?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,071

    tlg86 said:

    I hope NZ don't bat deep.

    In this heat, I wonder if they could get De Kock out.
    Probably - but not for long.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,883
    Jamie Smith catches a ball. Miracles do happen!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,235
    NZ batsman finally falls asleep at the crease. Is this the collapse?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,068
    edited 4:34PM

    Also probably the first time we’ve had a PM (or soon to be) and leader of the opposition who both look like they enjoy/relish the job rather than being pained by it since Blair-Cameron.

    What about Boris-Corbyn?

    Corbyn never looked as if he enjoyed the job. IIRC, he finds Parliamentary politics to be rather beneath him, compared to protest, direct action, standing for principles instead of policy. He couldn't cope with basic tasks like running meetings, holding people to deadlines, and generally not fucking around. Whether you like him or not, he simply wan't up to snuff per Attlee.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,028
    viewcode said:

    Also probably the first time we’ve had a PM (or soon to be) and leader of the opposition who both look like they enjoy/relish the job rather than being pained by it since Blair-Cameron.

    What about Boris-Corbyn?

    Corbyn never looked as if he enjoyed the job. IIRC, he finds Parliamentary politics to be rather beneath him, compared to protest, direct action, standing for principles instead of policy, running meetings, holding people to deadlines, and generally fucking around. Whether you like him or not, he simply wan't up to snuff per Attlee.
    He wasn't up to snuff, certainly, but he seemed to enjoy it despite not being good at it. At times anyway.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,784

    Sienna Rodgers
    @siennamarla
    NEW: The Labour leadership timetable I revealed on Tuesday has been signed off by the full NEC

    Confirmed that if there is just one candidate as expected and Burnham gets the required affiliate nominations, it all ends on 16 July with a special conference the next day

    https://x.com/siennamarla/status/2070164466973458531
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,113

    DougSeal said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    2 lawyers employed by the Post Office have been charged by the Solicitor's Regulation Authority

    https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/sra-charges-two-solicitors-linked-to-post-office-scandal/5127169.article

    Ooh, are we going to start seeing consequences for those involved?
    Not yet. Jane McCloud is being referred for not cooperating with the inquiry by running off to Australia. The other, Gould, is a former solicitor of Seema Misra who appears to have raised dodgy invoices. Of the two only the latter, not a PO lawyer, will see consequences given McCloud is on the other side of the world. Significantly neither were heard from at the inquiry.

    I’ve no doubt that when Sir Wyn finally reports those who were questioned at the inquiry will be referred.
    What an absurd system. If this was working class rather than middle class criminals there is no way the state would actively design a system that protects them from prosecution for a couple of decades.
    They’re not even being prosecuted by the State, they’re under investigation by their own professional body. The harshest punishment available is that they’re stuck off the register as practicing solicitors.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,140


    Sienna Rodgers
    @siennamarla
    NEW: The Labour leadership timetable I revealed on Tuesday has been signed off by the full NEC

    Confirmed that if there is just one candidate as expected and Burnham gets the required affiliate nominations, it all ends on 16 July with a special conference the next day

    https://x.com/siennamarla/status/2070164466973458531

    Please note the the footer on my header.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,028


    Sienna Rodgers
    @siennamarla
    NEW: The Labour leadership timetable I revealed on Tuesday has been signed off by the full NEC

    Confirmed that if there is just one candidate as expected and Burnham gets the required affiliate nominations, it all ends on 16 July with a special conference the next day

    https://x.com/siennamarla/status/2070164466973458531

    So he'll become PM the same day most schools break up for summer.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,071
    edited 4:41PM
    Yes, very good from Andy. I personally don't much value charisma/affability in a political leader - I prefer a calm bloodless professionalism where the laughs are few and far between - but I've come to recognise it's absolutely essential in order to beat They Who Must Be Beaten. It's way more important to 'connect' than to 'deliver'. The latter (esp as regards the economy in an electoral timeframe) is mainly luck anyway since it depends more on what happens in the world than on anything you do. So given this, I'm over the moon to have this attribute on the pitch and playing for the team I support.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,668
    algarkirk said:

    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o

    When they say "fellow travellers"....?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,140
    algarkirk said:

    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o

    It's not the devout Muslim speaking but I think banning alcohol at airport and planes needs to be instigated.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,136

    algarkirk said:

    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o

    It's not the devout Muslim speaking but I think banning alcohol at airport and planes needs to be instigated.
    Utter woke nonsense
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,668

    tlg86 said:

    I hope NZ don't bat deep.

    In this heat, I wonder if they could get De Kock out.
    Terrible risk of sunburn though....
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,918
    DavidL said:

    NZ batsman finally falls asleep at the crease. Is this the collapse?

    I'm claiming that wicket.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,113

    algarkirk said:

    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o

    It's not the devout Muslim speaking but I think banning alcohol at airport and planes needs to be instigated.
    Well you can fly Saudia then. No drinks in their lounges nor on their planes.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,666
    Surely eyelashes was a Kemi misspeak for eyebrows?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,668

    MelonB said:

    One of my cats would be a hopeless pm. The other I reckon could do a decent job.

    All my cats would be bribery risks.

    Offer them some salmon and they’d do whatever you asked them to do.
    So likee Farage and crypto regulation then...
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,666
    MelonB said:

    I'm not sure Andy always looks like he's enjoying his job. I've been with him off and on all day - the restaurant car was the best place for reading and socialising - and he's been dour throughout. Even when he dropped off my chicken kebab just now there was a look of boredom combined with barely disguised contempt.

    I tell you what though, anyone who enjoys a long train journey (I've been on this for 17 hours a far and 3 to go) would love the Dogu Express. The views are incredible. I've managed to get 3/4 through the highly relevant Snow by Orhan Pamuk which is set in tonight's destination, Kars.

    The are times when we really miss that old ‘off topic’ button.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,666


    Sienna Rodgers
    @siennamarla
    NEW: The Labour leadership timetable I revealed on Tuesday has been signed off by the full NEC

    Confirmed that if there is just one candidate as expected and Burnham gets the required affiliate nominations, it all ends on 16 July with a special conference the next day

    https://x.com/siennamarla/status/2070164466973458531

    So he'll become PM the same day most schools break up for summer.
    There’s a UK-EU summit with Ursula in the diary for the 22nd
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,795

    algarkirk said:

    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o

    It's not the devout Muslim speaking but I think banning alcohol at airport and planes needs to be instigated.
    Yeah, collective punishment. Great idea. 👍

    As for this bloke in this article. Some tough guy he was !! Took down by corpulent retired sales managers from Trafford.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,473
    edited 4:52PM
    IanB2 said:


    Sienna Rodgers
    @siennamarla
    NEW: The Labour leadership timetable I revealed on Tuesday has been signed off by the full NEC

    Confirmed that if there is just one candidate as expected and Burnham gets the required affiliate nominations, it all ends on 16 July with a special conference the next day

    https://x.com/siennamarla/status/2070164466973458531

    So he'll become PM the same day most schools break up for summer.
    There’s a UK-EU summit with Ursula in the diary for the 22nd
    As far as I recall it has been postponed by the EU

    https://www.libdems.org.uk/press/release/davey-on-cancelled-eu-uk-summit-this-is-the-cost-of-chaos-for-britain
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,140

    algarkirk said:

    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o

    It's not the devout Muslim speaking but I think banning alcohol at airport and planes needs to be instigated.
    Utter woke nonsense
    Have you ever heard of a good news story involving somebody pissed on an airplane?

    It's always bad news stories like this.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,276
    algarkirk said:

    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o

    Another Reform voter lost forever. I know one shouldn't judge by appearances, but a "heart of gold" cage fighter...
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,276
    IanB2 said:

    Surely eyelashes was a Kemi misspeak for eyebrows?

    I am afraid I have had to flag you. Kemi never misspeaks.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,028

    algarkirk said:

    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o

    It's not the devout Muslim speaking but I think banning alcohol at airport and planes needs to be instigated.
    Utter woke nonsense
    Have you ever heard of a good news story involving somebody pissed on an airplane?

    It's always bad news stories like this.
    Because people enjoying themselves and behaving responsibly isn't newsworthy. 🤦‍♂️
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,961

    algarkirk said:

    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o

    It's not the devout Muslim speaking but I think banning alcohol at airport and planes needs to be instigated.
    Utter woke nonsense
    Have you ever heard of a good news story involving somebody pissed on an airplane?

    It's always bad news stories like this.
    Because people enjoying themselves and behaving responsibly isn't newsworthy. 🤦‍♂️
    You'll not be saying that in Burnham's Britain.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,795

    algarkirk said:

    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o

    It's not the devout Muslim speaking but I think banning alcohol at airport and planes needs to be instigated.
    Utter woke nonsense
    Have you ever heard of a good news story involving somebody pissed on an airplane?

    It's always bad news stories like this.
    Because people enjoying themselves and behaving responsibly isn't newsworthy. 🤦‍♂️
    Hence the prohibition brigade always look at edge cases, be it drinking, gambling or anything else looked down on.

    Working class people having fun.

    Heaven forbid.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,883
    IanB2 said:

    Surely eyelashes was a Kemi misspeak for eyebrows?

    Impossible. She never makes mistakes.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,082
    edited 4:58PM
    Taz said:

    algarkirk said:

    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o

    It's not the devout Muslim speaking but I think banning alcohol at airport and planes needs to be instigated.
    Yeah, collective punishment. Great idea. 👍

    As for this bloke in this article. Some tough guy he was !! Took down by corpulent retired sales managers from Trafford.
    Isn’t the ban on drink driving collective punishment? There are probably millions who could drive home safely from the pub but it’s not allowed because some idiots push it too far and end up causing death or injury.

    Sticking shit-faced muppets in a hot tin can at 30,000 feet could have bad consequences, usually doesn’t but just because it usually doesn’t is that a reason to allow it?

    Personally I can see both sides of the argument but like I said, there are many laws we have because of a few idiots or small bad possibilities.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,071
    IanB2 said:

    Surely eyelashes was a Kemi misspeak for eyebrows?

    No, Andy is famous for his lashes. Perhaps she's a bit jealous.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,082
    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    Surely eyelashes was a Kemi misspeak for eyebrows?

    No, Andy is famous for his lashes. Perhaps she's a bit jealous.
    Liz Truss perks up.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,521
    Sandpit said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    This is about as good a response to KB's jibe at PMQs as he could muster.
    I still don't like Burnham, but he is infinitely more likeable than SKS

    You’d definitely choose Burnham over Starmer as the guy you meet for a beer or two.

    Personally I have a bit of a soft spot for him, for his work on the Hillsborough Inquiry.

    He got booed and shouted down by the memorial service Anfield crowd as SoS DCMS, and got a standing ovation from that same crowd a couple of years later.

    1st one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z3mBIi084Q
    2nd one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FedZPS1nrwk
    I do give him credit for that.

    At the minute it feels like a lot of people are projecting onto him the sort of leader they wish the Labour government had, rather than judging him on what he’s actually saying and doing.
    Oh indeed. He still comes across as a totally empty suit, but at least he’s more personable and empathetic than the other empty suit he replaces.
    Could you name any current politicians who are "full suits"?
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,028
    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    Surely eyelashes was a Kemi misspeak for eyebrows?

    No, Andy is famous for his lashes. Perhaps she's a bit jealous.
    Andy is famous for his mascara.
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,550
    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    2 lawyers employed by the Post Office have been charged by the Solicitor's Regulation Authority

    https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/sra-charges-two-solicitors-linked-to-post-office-scandal/5127169.article

    Ooh, are we going to start seeing consequences for those involved?
    Not yet. Jane McCloud is being referred for not cooperating with the inquiry by running off to Australia. The other, Gould, is a former solicitor of Seema Misra who appears to have raised dodgy invoices. Of the two only the latter, not a PO lawyer, will see consequences given McCloud is on the other side of the world. Significantly neither were heard from at the inquiry.

    I’ve no doubt that when Sir Wyn finally reports those who were questioned at the inquiry will be referred.
    What an absurd system. If this was working class rather than middle class criminals there is no way the state would actively design a system that protects them from prosecution for a couple of decades.
    They’re not even being prosecuted by the State, they’re under investigation by their own professional body. The harshest punishment available is that they’re stuck off the register as practicing solicitors.
    No. A number of them are under investigation by the Metropolitan Police. Which is another complication. All the lawyers who got a warning against self incrimination from Sir Wyn are liable to prosecution. It’s the same for the lawyers and non-lawyers at the PO
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,082

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    Surely eyelashes was a Kemi misspeak for eyebrows?

    No, Andy is famous for his lashes. Perhaps she's a bit jealous.
    Andy is famous for his mascara.
    Isn’t it called “guy-liner” these days?
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,172
    edited 5:05PM
    'A quiver to have in your bow' you wouldn't get that from a state school boy.......

    Talking of which any one listening to radio 4 News with Evan Davis would have heard him interview a woman in Venezuala describing the damage and other things surrounding the earthquakes. She was super articulate and gave the best description- as in painting a picture -that I have so far heard. All we were told at the end of her interview is that she was a Canadian who teaches at a local school.

    I was particularly curious who and how they uncovered this wasted talent.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,071
    viewcode said:

    Also probably the first time we’ve had a PM (or soon to be) and leader of the opposition who both look like they enjoy/relish the job rather than being pained by it since Blair-Cameron.

    What about Boris-Corbyn?

    Corbyn never looked as if he enjoyed the job. IIRC, he finds Parliamentary politics to be rather beneath him, compared to protest, direct action, standing for principles instead of policy. He couldn't cope with basic tasks like running meetings, holding people to deadlines, and generally not fucking around. Whether you like him or not, he simply wan't up to snuff per Attlee.
    That's right as regards being party leader. He got that job but never aspired to it. And it was reciprocated. The job didn't really aspire to him either.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,795
    boulay said:

    Taz said:

    algarkirk said:

    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o

    It's not the devout Muslim speaking but I think banning alcohol at airport and planes needs to be instigated.
    Yeah, collective punishment. Great idea. 👍

    As for this bloke in this article. Some tough guy he was !! Took down by corpulent retired sales managers from Trafford.
    Isn’t the ban on drink driving collective punishment? There are probably millions who could drive home safely from the pub but it’s not allowed because some idiots push it too far and end up causing death or injury.

    Sticking shit-faced muppets in a hot tin can at 30,000 feet could have bad consequences, usually doesn’t but just because it usually doesn’t is that a reason to allow it?

    Personally I can see both sides of the argument but like I said, there are many laws we have because of a few idiots or small bad possibilities.
    No, the drink driving issue isnt and it’s not a ban. You can drink and drive legally up to a limit.

    It is not comparable either as when you go on a plane as a passenger you are not flying it or part of the cabin crew for whom the drink allowance is considerably lower than that for drivers

    We always get these edge cases and tedious puritans using them to try to stop people from having a drink when the vast vast majority of flights and people who,have a drink pass off with no issue

    I’ve just flown to and from Kos. Had a drink on the way out, didn’t on the way back as I was driving.

    Plenty on the flight had a drink. Both ways. No issue at all.


  • algarkirk said:

    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o

    They forgot about his cheeky smile that lights up the room.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,741
    Roger said:

    'A quiver to have in your bow' you wouldn't get that from a state school boy.......

    Talking of which any one listening to radio 4 News with Evan Davis would have heard him interview a woman in Venezuala describing the damage and other things surrounding the earthquakes. She was super articulate and gave the best description- as in painting a picture -that I have so far heard. All we were told at the end of her interview is that she was a Canadian who teaches at a local school.

    I was particularly curious who and how they uncovered this wasted talent.

    She's not wasted, she's a teacher. They don't last long if they get drunk all the time (except at Denstone College).
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,140
    edited 5:10PM
    Taz said:

    algarkirk said:

    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o

    It's not the devout Muslim speaking but I think banning alcohol at airport and planes needs to be instigated.
    Yeah, collective punishment. Great idea. 👍

    As for this bloke in this article. Some tough guy he was !! Took down by corpulent retired sales managers from Trafford.
    A few years ago a friend of mine was on a flight where a woman got pissed and tried to open the door mid flight, the blokes who were trying to restrain her didn't have decency to punch her, until another woman went up and punched her lights out.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,464

    algarkirk said:

    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o

    It's not the devout Muslim speaking but I think banning alcohol at airport and planes needs to be instigated.
    Utter woke nonsense
    Have you ever heard of a good news story involving somebody pissed on an airplane?

    It's always bad news stories like this.
    Why would one hear about it if they all had a wonderful time singing Music Hall favourites?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,071

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    Surely eyelashes was a Kemi misspeak for eyebrows?

    No, Andy is famous for his lashes. Perhaps she's a bit jealous.
    Andy is famous for his mascara.
    No, his lashes are so striking that people used to wonder if he touched them up. But that is not the case.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,113
    boulay said:

    Taz said:

    algarkirk said:

    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o

    It's not the devout Muslim speaking but I think banning alcohol at airport and planes needs to be instigated.
    Yeah, collective punishment. Great idea. 👍

    As for this bloke in this article. Some tough guy he was !! Took down by corpulent retired sales managers from Trafford.
    Isn’t the ban on drink driving collective punishment? There are probably millions who could drive home safely from the pub but it’s not allowed because some idiots push it too far and end up causing death or injury.

    Sticking shit-faced muppets in a hot tin can at 30,000 feet could have bad consequences, usually doesn’t but just because it usually doesn’t is that a reason to allow it?

    Personally I can see both sides of the argument but like I said, there are many laws we have because of a few idiots or small bad possibilities.
    Pilots drinking and flying can and do get in serious trouble. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-68606629

    You’re otherwise comparing being a passenger in the vehicle to being in charge of it.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 9,677
    viewcode said:

    Also probably the first time we’ve had a PM (or soon to be) and leader of the opposition who both look like they enjoy/relish the job rather than being pained by it since Blair-Cameron.

    What about Boris-Corbyn?

    Corbyn never looked as if he enjoyed the job. IIRC, he finds Parliamentary politics to be rather beneath him, compared to protest, direct action, standing for principles instead of policy. He couldn't cope with basic tasks like running meetings, holding people to deadlines, and generally not fucking around. Whether you like him or not, he simply wan't up to snuff per Attlee.
    Corbyn's exemplary attendance and voting record in the HoC over the last 43 years does not suggest a chap who finds parliamentary politics beneath him. Quite the opposite, in fact.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,603
    Roger said:

    'A quiver to have in your bow' you wouldn't get that from a state school boy.......

    Talking of which any one listening to radio 4 News with Evan Davis would have heard him interview a woman in Venezuala describing the damage and other things surrounding the earthquakes. She was super articulate and gave the best description- as in painting a picture -that I have so far heard. All we were told at the end of her interview is that she was a Canadian who teaches at a local school.

    I was particularly curious who and how they uncovered this wasted talent.

    People who went to state school also know words.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,795

    algarkirk said:

    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o

    They forgot about his cheeky smile that lights up the room.
    He loved his Gran and used to run errands for her
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,113
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    DougSeal said:

    Sandpit said:

    DougSeal said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    2 lawyers employed by the Post Office have been charged by the Solicitor's Regulation Authority

    https://www.lawgazette.co.uk/news/sra-charges-two-solicitors-linked-to-post-office-scandal/5127169.article

    Ooh, are we going to start seeing consequences for those involved?
    Not yet. Jane McCloud is being referred for not cooperating with the inquiry by running off to Australia. The other, Gould, is a former solicitor of Seema Misra who appears to have raised dodgy invoices. Of the two only the latter, not a PO lawyer, will see consequences given McCloud is on the other side of the world. Significantly neither were heard from at the inquiry.

    I’ve no doubt that when Sir Wyn finally reports those who were questioned at the inquiry will be referred.
    What an absurd system. If this was working class rather than middle class criminals there is no way the state would actively design a system that protects them from prosecution for a couple of decades.
    They’re not even being prosecuted by the State, they’re under investigation by their own professional body. The harshest punishment available is that they’re stuck off the register as practicing solicitors.
    No. A number of them are under investigation by the Metropolitan Police. Which is another complication. All the lawyers who got a warning against self incrimination from Sir Wyn are liable to prosecution. It’s the same for the lawyers and non-lawyers at the PO
    So they’re going to no-comment the SRO process to avoid incriminating themselves in potential criminal cases down the line?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,071
    boulay said:

    kinabalu said:

    IanB2 said:

    Surely eyelashes was a Kemi misspeak for eyebrows?

    No, Andy is famous for his lashes. Perhaps she's a bit jealous.
    Liz Truss perks up.
    Oh no. That's the last thing we need.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,053

    Taz said:

    algarkirk said:

    Every required element is present in this BBC story, a parable for our age:


    A man who was restrained on a Jet2 flight by fellow travellers after he allegedly assaulted another passenger and cabin crew, has died.

    Police were called to reports of a passenger attacking another customer and a staff member on the Jet2 flight from Cyprus to Manchester and being "disruptive and aggressive" in the early hours of Monday.

    On landing at Manchester Airport, officers used handcuffs to detain Callum Kerr, 35, of Warrington, but quickly found he was "unresponsive" and performed CPR on him before taking him to hospital, Greater Manchester Police (GMP) said.

    Kerr, a bare-knuckle fighter, died on Tuesday. An investigation into his death is under way.

    Paying tribute, Kerr's loved ones said: "Callum was a family man, father to three beautiful young children, a lover of sport and with a heart of gold."


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c17ypedelk9o

    It's not the devout Muslim speaking but I think banning alcohol at airport and planes needs to be instigated.
    Yeah, collective punishment. Great idea. 👍

    As for this bloke in this article. Some tough guy he was !! Took down by corpulent retired sales managers from Trafford.
    A few years ago a friend of mine was on a flight where a woman got pissed and tried to open the door, the blokes who were trying to restrain her didn't have decency to punch her, until another woman went up and punched her lights out.
    You just need airlines or airports to stop serving people beyond a certain point. Which can have quite a low bar.

    The vast majority who have a couple of drinks cause no issues. Regulate to stop those who think the plane is a night club, rather than a few casual drinks.
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