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  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,518

    You have to hope Burnham manages to file his Election Expenses within the statutory 35 days. All this money which we are led to believe is sloshing around on the right. Surely for someone who can give Nigel £5M or someone else some equally extravagant packet of small change it would be worth a few £10ks to go to the High Court and ask for a writ of undue election, just for the sheer hell of it.

    Was the BBC Question Time lawful or not ? Did every candidate get exactly the same airtime - well clearly not as half of them weren't even invited ! Seems to me Fiona Bruce was not a fair arbitress.

    I do think the peerage for the MP who stood aside would be very challengable. Seems to me he was offered an inducement to seek an office of profit under the Crown, not sure which one he took, but that would seem to be contrary to some very early eighteenth century legislation about malfeasance.

    Your sour grapes would be better if your last paragraph had any merit. Josh Simons doesn't have a peerage.
    @A_View_From_Cumbria5 and the truth have a somewhat…open…relationship
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,158
    Nigelb said:

    Barnesian said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2069050613304840403

    BREAKING

    The Brexit reset summit with the EU - which was scheduled for July 22nd - has been postponed

    Antonia Costa, the president of the European Council, says that he hopes that Starmer's successor will provide 'continuity'

    This was going to be a big moment for Starmer, but is now heading into the middle distance. Over to Andy Burnham...

    He doesn't even get his big swansong legacy international summit. Politics is a tough game.
    Starmer will get the NATO summit in Ankara.
    And say what ?
    "I've failed to meet my commitments to NATO" ... or "talk to my successor" ?

    Desperate prevarication on defence plans and funding decisions is one of the more solid charges against his government.
    Burnham will be glad to miss it.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,423

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    It has been suggested Burnham will introduce a 10% IHT care levy on all estates

    Seems a sensible suggestion but the entitled children of estates may kick and scream

    Taxes on death are famously popular with voters.
    A universal 10% inheritance tax would raise many billions more pounds than the current 40% inheritance tax, that most people with actual money do an awful lot to avoid.

    Arthur Laffer was right.
    You’re describing tax avoidance, not the Laffer effect. Common mistake.

    Unless you’re suggesting rich people aren’t dying as a result of IHT?
    Can you not use pejorative terms like 'tax avoidance' and use the neutral term 'tax minimisation strategies.'
    If you implement a one week moratorium on links to the Telegraph we have a deal. The 0.01ppt movement in borrowing costs histrionics earlier today (and posted by some gullible PBer) was just ridiculous.
    The Telegraph produces great comedy, who can forget the cyclist doing 50mph.
    I've done 52 mph on a cycle no problem. You just need a high enough hill.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,617

    This campaign is pointless, may as well just finish nominations tomorrow

    The way to end the process is for so many to nominate Burnham that no other candidate is possible.

    Then just get on with booking the removsals van.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,478

    Scott_xP said:

    dixiedean said:

    I'd like to apply to be a professional Northerner. What's the salary?

    All the black pudding you can eat. And a whippet.
    I love black pudding, so that would be a plus, but no way am I eating whippet.

    Sounds like a job for @Leon_VotedForStarmer
    Be no meat on a whippet.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,187
    AI auto-subtitling still has some way to go based on this:

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2069064123162239162
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,442
    edited 3:41PM
    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    It has been suggested Burnham will introduce a 10% IHT care levy on all estates

    Seems a sensible suggestion but the entitled children of estates may kick and scream

    Taxes on death are famously popular with voters.
    A universal 10% inheritance tax would raise many billions more pounds than the current 40% inheritance tax, that most people with actual money do an awful lot to avoid.

    Arthur Laffer was right.
    You’re describing tax avoidance, not the Laffer effect. Common mistake.

    Unless you’re suggesting rich people aren’t dying as a result of IHT?
    I’m simply saying that a flat 10% tax raises more money than the current 40% arrangements, which mostly hit the middle-classes in the South East who have little more in assets than their own house.

    The wealthy spend a lot of effort in setting up trusts and making early gifts to children, that simply wouldn’t occur under a 10% IHT regime.
    I don’t disagree - but I think it’s important to distinguish when a tax is undermined by [removed out of sensitivity to TSE], in contrast to when it deters an activity that’s good for the wider economy.

    I don’t care at all if the only asset is your £1 million house. It’s just a variation on people whining about being cash poor - sell it, buy a cottage in Yorkshire for £200k and you’ve got £800k left for the pub, yacht and robo-lawnmower.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,424
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Yet another vanilla duplicate

    Forcing people to sell family homes on the death of a partner is not a good look. Most families don't hold 10% of the value their assets in easily accessible cash so would either have to sell or take out a loan.
    The special carve out for family homes is one of the main reasons the housing market is so ridiculously overpriced, and why pensioners cling onto family homes. We should tax them more than other assets, not the other way round.

    But IHT is stupid tax in general. Replace it and CT with an annual 1% property tax.
    Seems sensible but would it raise enough to compensate?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,479

    This campaign is pointless, may as well just finish nominations tomorrow

    100% agree. All the delay does is give valuable political space and airtime to the likes of Lowe, Farage and Polanski.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,478
    Andy_JS said:

    Larry the cat is 19 years old and he sees off another PM. Long live Larry. 😊

    Are we not onto the 3rd Larry by now? Trigger's Downing Street cat, as it were.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,265

    This campaign is pointless, may as well just finish nominations tomorrow

    Congratulations for your prescient ramping of Burnham here at a time when it still appeared that there was not a credible route back for him and he was I think still beyond single figure odds. I now believe your claim to have a decent source.

    Last year I did at least manage to get the timing of Starmer's exit date in the 3rd quarter of 2026 right, because it seemed obvious long ago that the May elections would catastrophic for Labour and thus the catalyst that set things in motion. So although my cash was on Rayner and Miliband I still managed a slight profit overall on the markets around Starmer's departure.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,442
    edited 3:46PM

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Yet another vanilla duplicate

    Forcing people to sell family homes on the death of a partner is not a good look. Most families don't hold 10% of the value their assets in easily accessible cash so would either have to sell or take out a loan.
    The special carve out for family homes is one of the main reasons the housing market is so ridiculously overpriced, and why pensioners cling onto family homes. We should tax them more than other assets, not the other way round.

    But IHT is stupid tax in general. Replace it and CT with an annual 1% property tax.
    Seems sensible but would it raise enough to compensate?
    More than enough. You’d have up to £40 billion left over, depending on how house prices respond. And most people would get a substantial tax cut, particularly in Red Wall areas.

    Council tax = £50 billion
    IHT = £8 billion
    1% property = £100 billion at current prices

    I’d do the rest abolishing Stsmp Duty (£15 billion) and on clearing the deficit.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,598
    Well done @viewcode for the witty and inventive header.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,156

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Yet another vanilla duplicate

    Forcing people to sell family homes on the death of a partner is not a good look. Most families don't hold 10% of the value their assets in easily accessible cash so would either have to sell or take out a loan.
    The special carve out for family homes is one of the main reasons the housing market is so ridiculously overpriced, and why pensioners cling onto family homes. We should tax them more than other assets, not the other way round.

    But IHT is stupid tax in general. Replace it and CT with an annual 1% property tax.
    Seems sensible but would it raise enough to compensate?
    It's Stamp Duty that needs to go - the plan we've always returned to was 1% property tax (and I think it's less than that) to replace both stamp duty and CT.

    If it also needs to cover IHT that's extra.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,009
    Royal Mail having fun.

    https://x.com/royalmail/status/2069036565301485961

    Are you moving house…?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,023

    Well done @viewcode for the witty and inventive header.

    (the cheque's in the mail. Thank you. :) )
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,211

    This campaign is pointless, may as well just finish nominations tomorrow

    The way to end the process is for so many to nominate Burnham that no other candidate is possible.

    Then just get on with booking the removsals van.
    Could well happen, why wouldn't you nominate Burnham at this point in time if you're in the Labour party.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,171
    edited 3:52PM

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    It has been suggested Burnham will introduce a 10% IHT care levy on all estates

    Seems a sensible suggestion but the entitled children of estates may kick and scream

    Taxes on death are famously popular with voters.
    A universal 10% inheritance tax would raise many billions more pounds than the current 40% inheritance tax, that most people with actual money do an awful lot to avoid.

    Arthur Laffer was right.
    You’re describing tax avoidance, not the Laffer effect. Common mistake.

    Unless you’re suggesting rich people aren’t dying as a result of IHT?
    Can you not use pejorative terms like 'tax avoidance' and use the neutral term 'tax minimisation strategies.'
    It’s another irregular verb.
    I minimise my tax.
    You tax avoid.
    He tax evades.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,170

    Andy_JS said:

    Larry the cat is 19 years old and he sees off another PM. Long live Larry. 😊

    Are we not onto the 3rd Larry by now? Trigger's Downing Street cat, as it were.
    Appropriately for the thread, I believe he simply regenerates periodically, into another similar looking cat.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,100

    Andy_JS said:

    Larry the cat is 19 years old and he sees off another PM. Long live Larry. 😊

    Are we not onto the 3rd Larry by now? Trigger's Downing Street cat, as it were.
    "Alright, Dave?"
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,100
    viewcode said:

    Well done @viewcode for the witty and inventive header.

    (the cheque's in the mail. Thank you. :) )
    B b b but isn't Burnham the new Doctor?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,617
    Selebian said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Larry the cat is 19 years old and he sees off another PM. Long live Larry. 😊

    Are we not onto the 3rd Larry by now? Trigger's Downing Street cat, as it were.
    Appropriately for the thread, I believe he simply regenerates periodically, into another similar looking cat.
    Shhhh! You'll let the cat out of the, er, cat....
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,171
    Battlebus said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    It has been suggested Burnham will introduce a 10% IHT care levy on all estates

    Seems a sensible suggestion but the entitled children of estates may kick and scream

    Taxes on death are famously popular with voters.
    A universal 10% inheritance tax would raise many billions more pounds than the current 40% inheritance tax, that most people with actual money do an awful lot to avoid.

    Arthur Laffer was right.
    You’re describing tax avoidance, not the Laffer effect. Common mistake.

    Unless you’re suggesting rich people aren’t dying as a result of IHT?
    Can you not use pejorative terms like 'tax avoidance' and use the neutral term 'tax minimisation strategies.'
    If you implement a one week moratorium on links to the Telegraph we have a deal. The 0.01ppt movement in borrowing costs histrionics earlier today (and posted by some gullible PBer) was just ridiculous.
    The Telegraph produces great comedy, who can forget the cyclist doing 50mph.
    I've done 52 mph on a cycle no problem. You just need a high enough hill.
    Or cliff. Hint: you may only do 52mph once!
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,521
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Yet another vanilla duplicate

    Forcing people to sell family homes on the death of a partner is not a good look. Most families don't hold 10% of the value their assets in easily accessible cash so would either have to sell or take out a loan.
    The special carve out for family homes is one of the main reasons the housing market is so ridiculously overpriced, and why pensioners cling onto family homes. We should tax them more than other assets, not the other way round.

    But IHT is stupid tax in general. Replace it and CT with an annual 1% property tax.
    Seems sensible but would it raise enough to compensate?
    More than enough. You’d have up to £40 billion left over, depending on how house prices respond. And most people would get a substantial tax cut, particularly in Red Wall areas.

    Council tax = £50 billion
    IHT = £8 billion
    1% property = £100 billion at current prices

    I’d do the rest abolishing Stsmp Duty (£15 billion) and on clearing the deficit.
    It'll be accompanied by tens of thousands of stories of cash poor asset rich people. Of course the centrists Dads of PB won't care, but pols will, as will journos, and most importantly regular people who 'know someone's Gran who had to sell their house and move into rented'.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,043
    edited 3:58PM

    You have to hope Burnham manages to file his Election Expenses within the statutory 35 days. All this money which we are led to believe is sloshing around on the right. Surely for someone who can give Nigel £5M or someone else some equally extravagant packet of small change it would be worth a few £10ks to go to the High Court and ask for a writ of undue election, just for the sheer hell of it.

    Was the BBC Question Time lawful or not ? Did every candidate get exactly the same airtime - well clearly not as half of them weren't even invited ! Seems to me Fiona Bruce was not a fair arbitress.

    I do think the peerage for the MP who stood aside would be very challengable. Seems to me he was offered an inducement to seek an office of profit under the Crown, not sure which one he took, but that would seem to be contrary to some very early eighteenth century legislation about malfeasance.

    You talk an immense amount of crap.

    I am guessing being from Cumbria I bet you've never heard of Viscount Whitelaw and David MacLean.

    Do you know if they were prosecuted for malfeasance when the former triggered a by-election in Penrith and The Border in 1983 so they could get a peerage?

    Also Josh Simons isn't a peer.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,617

    Battlebus said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    It has been suggested Burnham will introduce a 10% IHT care levy on all estates

    Seems a sensible suggestion but the entitled children of estates may kick and scream

    Taxes on death are famously popular with voters.
    A universal 10% inheritance tax would raise many billions more pounds than the current 40% inheritance tax, that most people with actual money do an awful lot to avoid.

    Arthur Laffer was right.
    You’re describing tax avoidance, not the Laffer effect. Common mistake.

    Unless you’re suggesting rich people aren’t dying as a result of IHT?
    Can you not use pejorative terms like 'tax avoidance' and use the neutral term 'tax minimisation strategies.'
    If you implement a one week moratorium on links to the Telegraph we have a deal. The 0.01ppt movement in borrowing costs histrionics earlier today (and posted by some gullible PBer) was just ridiculous.
    The Telegraph produces great comedy, who can forget the cyclist doing 50mph.
    I've done 52 mph on a cycle no problem. You just need a high enough hill.
    Or cliff. Hint: you may only do 52mph once!
    52 mph shows such lack of ambition when there's terminal velocity to be achieved!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,043
    I've stroked Larry the Cat.

    He's a bit of an arsehole at times.

    I once saw him see a mouse, and he just started playing on his back.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,442
    edited 3:57PM
    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Yet another vanilla duplicate

    Forcing people to sell family homes on the death of a partner is not a good look. Most families don't hold 10% of the value their assets in easily accessible cash so would either have to sell or take out a loan.
    The special carve out for family homes is one of the main reasons the housing market is so ridiculously overpriced, and why pensioners cling onto family homes. We should tax them more than other assets, not the other way round.

    But IHT is stupid tax in general. Replace it and CT with an annual 1% property tax.
    Seems sensible but would it raise enough to compensate?
    More than enough. You’d have up to £40 billion left over, depending on how house prices respond. And most people would get a substantial tax cut, particularly in Red Wall areas.

    Council tax = £50 billion
    IHT = £8 billion
    1% property = £100 billion at current prices

    I’d do the rest abolishing Stsmp Duty (£15 billion) and on clearing the deficit.
    It'll be accompanied by tens of thousands of stories of cash poor asset rich people. Of course the centrists Dads of PB won't care, but pols will, as will journos, and most importantly regular people who 'know someone's Gran who had to sell their house and move into rented'.
    Not really. Compare 1% to your council tax bill. I have a rough model that suggests a large majority of people will get a tax cut - I’d get 20% off.

  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,521
    Eabhal said:

    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Yet another vanilla duplicate

    Forcing people to sell family homes on the death of a partner is not a good look. Most families don't hold 10% of the value their assets in easily accessible cash so would either have to sell or take out a loan.
    The special carve out for family homes is one of the main reasons the housing market is so ridiculously overpriced, and why pensioners cling onto family homes. We should tax them more than other assets, not the other way round.

    But IHT is stupid tax in general. Replace it and CT with an annual 1% property tax.
    Seems sensible but would it raise enough to compensate?
    More than enough. You’d have up to £40 billion left over, depending on how house prices respond. And most people would get a substantial tax cut, particularly in Red Wall areas.

    Council tax = £50 billion
    IHT = £8 billion
    1% property = £100 billion at current prices

    I’d do the rest abolishing Stsmp Duty (£15 billion) and on clearing the deficit.
    It'll be accompanied by tens of thousands of stories of cash poor asset rich people. Of course the centrists Dads of PB won't care, but pols will, as will journos, and most importantly regular people who 'know someone's Gran who had to sell their house and move into rented'.
    Not really. Compare 1% to your council tax bill. I have a rough model that suggests a large majority of people will get a tax cut - I’d get 20% off.

    Mine would double - and I've just paid a stamp duty bill too.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,023

    I've stroked Larry the Cat.

    He's a bit of an arsehole at times.

    I once saw him see a mouse, and he just started playing on his back.

    Must have been a very big mouse...

    😎
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,171

    I've stroked Larry the Cat.

    He's a bit of an arsehole at times.

    I once saw him see a mouse, and he just started playing on his back.

    A mouse is small beer when you’re surrounded by rats.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,521
    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Yet another vanilla duplicate

    Forcing people to sell family homes on the death of a partner is not a good look. Most families don't hold 10% of the value their assets in easily accessible cash so would either have to sell or take out a loan.
    The special carve out for family homes is one of the main reasons the housing market is so ridiculously overpriced, and why pensioners cling onto family homes. We should tax them more than other assets, not the other way round.

    But IHT is stupid tax in general. Replace it and CT with an annual 1% property tax.
    Seems sensible but would it raise enough to compensate?
    More than enough. You’d have up to £40 billion left over, depending on how house prices respond. And most people would get a substantial tax cut, particularly in Red Wall areas.

    Council tax = £50 billion
    IHT = £8 billion
    1% property = £100 billion at current prices

    I’d do the rest abolishing Stsmp Duty (£15 billion) and on clearing the deficit.
    It'll be accompanied by tens of thousands of stories of cash poor asset rich people. Of course the centrists Dads of PB won't care, but pols will, as will journos, and most importantly regular people who 'know someone's Gran who had to sell their house and move into rented'.
    Not really. Compare 1% to your council tax bill. I have a rough model that suggests a large majority of people will get a tax cut - I’d get 20% off.

    Mine would double - and I've just paid a stamp duty bill too.
    And most importantly, lots of JOURNALIST'S taxes would go up biggly.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,982
    What does it say about the Labour Party that not one of the 122 members of the Cabinet was strong enough to challenge a complete loser like Starmer?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,982
    Eabhal said:

    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Yet another vanilla duplicate

    Forcing people to sell family homes on the death of a partner is not a good look. Most families don't hold 10% of the value their assets in easily accessible cash so would either have to sell or take out a loan.
    The special carve out for family homes is one of the main reasons the housing market is so ridiculously overpriced, and why pensioners cling onto family homes. We should tax them more than other assets, not the other way round.

    But IHT is stupid tax in general. Replace it and CT with an annual 1% property tax.
    Seems sensible but would it raise enough to compensate?
    More than enough. You’d have up to £40 billion left over, depending on how house prices respond. And most people would get a substantial tax cut, particularly in Red Wall areas.

    Council tax = £50 billion
    IHT = £8 billion
    1% property = £100 billion at current prices

    I’d do the rest abolishing Stsmp Duty (£15 billion) and on clearing the deficit.
    It'll be accompanied by tens of thousands of stories of cash poor asset rich people. Of course the centrists Dads of PB won't care, but pols will, as will journos, and most importantly regular people who 'know someone's Gran who had to sell their house and move into rented'.
    Not really. Compare 1% to your council tax bill. I have a rough model that suggests a large majority of people will get a tax cut - I’d get 20% off.

    Is be 3k worse off
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,442

    Eabhal said:

    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Yet another vanilla duplicate

    Forcing people to sell family homes on the death of a partner is not a good look. Most families don't hold 10% of the value their assets in easily accessible cash so would either have to sell or take out a loan.
    The special carve out for family homes is one of the main reasons the housing market is so ridiculously overpriced, and why pensioners cling onto family homes. We should tax them more than other assets, not the other way round.

    But IHT is stupid tax in general. Replace it and CT with an annual 1% property tax.
    Seems sensible but would it raise enough to compensate?
    More than enough. You’d have up to £40 billion left over, depending on how house prices respond. And most people would get a substantial tax cut, particularly in Red Wall areas.

    Council tax = £50 billion
    IHT = £8 billion
    1% property = £100 billion at current prices

    I’d do the rest abolishing Stsmp Duty (£15 billion) and on clearing the deficit.
    It'll be accompanied by tens of thousands of stories of cash poor asset rich people. Of course the centrists Dads of PB won't care, but pols will, as will journos, and most importantly regular people who 'know someone's Gran who had to sell their house and move into rented'.
    Not really. Compare 1% to your council tax bill. I have a rough model that suggests a large majority of people will get a tax cut - I’d get 20% off.

    Is be 3k worse off
    This might not be the best forum to seek examples.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,587
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Yet another vanilla duplicate

    Forcing people to sell family homes on the death of a partner is not a good look. Most families don't hold 10% of the value their assets in easily accessible cash so would either have to sell or take out a loan.
    The special carve out for family homes is one of the main reasons the housing market is so ridiculously overpriced, and why pensioners cling onto family homes. We should tax them more than other assets, not the other way round.

    But IHT is stupid tax in general. Replace it and CT with an annual 1% property tax.
    IHT is a stupid tax because it is only paid by those who are both unprepared and middle class.

    Those who are wealthy and/or oganized simply route around it.

    It would make much more sense, as has been noted before, to follow the example of Trusts, and simply have a small annual levy (say 0.3% of land value, which would raise 23bn).

    That would raise as much as IHT and Capital Gains (which between them raise 22bn, with 8bn being IHT and 14bn being Stamp Duty), and be much fairer.

    The other advantage of this is that it would take in foreign owners of British land, where we currently collect almost no taxes.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,170

    Battlebus said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    It has been suggested Burnham will introduce a 10% IHT care levy on all estates

    Seems a sensible suggestion but the entitled children of estates may kick and scream

    Taxes on death are famously popular with voters.
    A universal 10% inheritance tax would raise many billions more pounds than the current 40% inheritance tax, that most people with actual money do an awful lot to avoid.

    Arthur Laffer was right.
    You’re describing tax avoidance, not the Laffer effect. Common mistake.

    Unless you’re suggesting rich people aren’t dying as a result of IHT?
    Can you not use pejorative terms like 'tax avoidance' and use the neutral term 'tax minimisation strategies.'
    If you implement a one week moratorium on links to the Telegraph we have a deal. The 0.01ppt movement in borrowing costs histrionics earlier today (and posted by some gullible PBer) was just ridiculous.
    The Telegraph produces great comedy, who can forget the cyclist doing 50mph.
    I've done 52 mph on a cycle no problem. You just need a high enough hill.
    Or cliff. Hint: you may only do 52mph once!
    Could manage it (briefly) twice - once during the acceleration phase and once, very briefly, during the rapid deceleration phase.
  • FlatlanderFlatlander Posts: 6,024

    Battlebus said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    It has been suggested Burnham will introduce a 10% IHT care levy on all estates

    Seems a sensible suggestion but the entitled children of estates may kick and scream

    Taxes on death are famously popular with voters.
    A universal 10% inheritance tax would raise many billions more pounds than the current 40% inheritance tax, that most people with actual money do an awful lot to avoid.

    Arthur Laffer was right.
    You’re describing tax avoidance, not the Laffer effect. Common mistake.

    Unless you’re suggesting rich people aren’t dying as a result of IHT?
    Can you not use pejorative terms like 'tax avoidance' and use the neutral term 'tax minimisation strategies.'
    If you implement a one week moratorium on links to the Telegraph we have a deal. The 0.01ppt movement in borrowing costs histrionics earlier today (and posted by some gullible PBer) was just ridiculous.
    The Telegraph produces great comedy, who can forget the cyclist doing 50mph.
    I've done 52 mph on a cycle no problem. You just need a high enough hill.
    Or cliff. Hint: you may only do 52mph once!
    52 mph shows such lack of ambition when there's terminal velocity to be achieved!
    I've done 50mph on a bike but not for a while. Speed wobbles when descending into Hawes put me off that a bit...

    Best left to Tom Pidcock et al.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,479
    "The Football Association will not issue guidance to the England squad over whether to shake hands with the Ghanaian player Thomas Partey, who has been charged with seven counts of rape, ITV News understands. England are due to meet Ghana in their second World Cup match in Boston at 9pm BST on Tuesday."

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-06-22/will-england-players-shake-thomas-parteys-hand-at-their-match-against-ghana
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,587
    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Yet another vanilla duplicate

    Forcing people to sell family homes on the death of a partner is not a good look. Most families don't hold 10% of the value their assets in easily accessible cash so would either have to sell or take out a loan.
    The special carve out for family homes is one of the main reasons the housing market is so ridiculously overpriced, and why pensioners cling onto family homes. We should tax them more than other assets, not the other way round.

    But IHT is stupid tax in general. Replace it and CT with an annual 1% property tax.
    Seems sensible but would it raise enough to compensate?
    More than enough. You’d have up to £40 billion left over, depending on how house prices respond. And most people would get a substantial tax cut, particularly in Red Wall areas.

    Council tax = £50 billion
    IHT = £8 billion
    1% property = £100 billion at current prices

    I’d do the rest abolishing Stsmp Duty (£15 billion) and on clearing the deficit.
    It'll be accompanied by tens of thousands of stories of cash poor asset rich people. Of course the centrists Dads of PB won't care, but pols will, as will journos, and most importantly regular people who 'know someone's Gran who had to sell their house and move into rented'.
    That's a very poor way to make tax policy.
  • This campaign is pointless, may as well just finish nominations tomorrow

    Congratulations for your prescient ramping of Burnham here at a time when it still appeared that there was not a credible route back for him and he was I think still beyond single figure odds. I now believe your claim to have a decent source.

    Last year I did at least manage to get the timing of Starmer's exit date in the 3rd quarter of 2026 right, because it seemed obvious long ago that the May elections would catastrophic for Labour and thus the catalyst that set things in motion. So although my cash was on Rayner and Miliband I still managed a slight profit overall on the markets around Starmer's departure.
    Thanks. They seemed to be very accurate on Starmer’s thinking (especially that he would never fight a leadership election) and that Burnham was likely to become the next PM on the basis he’d be able to secure a seat. And my friend was also very early on a “coronation”.

    I got on him at 3.25, so probably should have put my money on him earlier although I wasn’t 100% confident in my friend either. But I’ve still made a decent profit assuming he doesn’t somehow now not become the PM.

    I was never convinced Rayner would run. And indeed she won’t.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,009
    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Yet another vanilla duplicate

    Forcing people to sell family homes on the death of a partner is not a good look. Most families don't hold 10% of the value their assets in easily accessible cash so would either have to sell or take out a loan.
    The special carve out for family homes is one of the main reasons the housing market is so ridiculously overpriced, and why pensioners cling onto family homes. We should tax them more than other assets, not the other way round.

    But IHT is stupid tax in general. Replace it and CT with an annual 1% property tax.
    Seems sensible but would it raise enough to compensate?
    More than enough. You’d have up to £40 billion left over, depending on how house prices respond. And most people would get a substantial tax cut, particularly in Red Wall areas.

    Council tax = £50 billion
    IHT = £8 billion
    1% property = £100 billion at current prices

    I’d do the rest abolishing Stsmp Duty (£15 billion) and on clearing the deficit.
    It'll be accompanied by tens of thousands of stories of cash poor asset rich people. Of course the centrists Dads of PB won't care, but pols will, as will journos, and most importantly regular people who 'know someone's Gran who had to sell their house and move into rented'.
    Not really. Compare 1% to your council tax bill. I have a rough model that suggests a large majority of people will get a tax cut - I’d get 20% off.

    Mine would double - and I've just paid a stamp duty bill too.
    The fairest way to transition, would be on the sale of property at the price paid. But that would leave a huge hole from the lack of SDLT in the first few years.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,526

    nico67 said:

    It just shows that you can never predict anything with politics especially in recent years .

    But Starmer and Reeves managed to start kicking the foundations away when they decided to burn so much political capital on one of the biggest political own goals of all time.

    Quite how neither saw the utter stupidity of the WFA decision is beyond me !

    And you can trace back to the implosion in Starmers approval ratings from there .

    That's easy to argue with hindsight. But at the time, the state pension had risen by quite a lot (around £800 in the previous year, I think), and they didn't foresee that there'd be such a negative reaction to the withdrawal of a couple of hundred quid WFA. And, to be honest, I can't quite see why it provoked the visceral reaction it did, including from people who are keen to abandon the triple lock.
    It got a visceral reaction because “freezing grannies” is easy to understand by everyone and no amount of (perfectly accurate) stating that other things have gone up by (fill in exact percentage to two decimal points) is going to challenge that narrative at the water cooler at work. or down the Lamb and Flag on a Friday night. That and it being the first act of note from a (channels inner Neil Kinnock circa1985 ) Labour, a Labour govt.

    Why not just tax it at normal rates? Poor granny keeps it all, middling granny only loses 20% well off granny loses 40% and maybe it could’ve been phased out for 45% granny who was probably spending in Antigua in February anyway. Probably would’ve raised about as much as they ended up doing anyway once all clawbacks and u turns were done and dusted.

    Completely politically clueless.
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,526

    nico67 said:

    It just shows that you can never predict anything with politics especially in recent years .

    But Starmer and Reeves managed to start kicking the foundations away when they decided to burn so much political capital on one of the biggest political own goals of all time.

    Quite how neither saw the utter stupidity of the WFA decision is beyond me !

    And you can trace back to the implosion in Starmers approval ratings from there .

    That's easy to argue with hindsight. But at the time, the state pension had risen by quite a lot (around £800 in the previous year, I think), and they didn't foresee that there'd be such a negative reaction to the withdrawal of a couple of hundred quid WFA. And, to be honest, I can't quite see why it provoked the visceral reaction it did, including from people who are keen to abandon the triple lock.
    It got a visceral reaction because “freezing grannies” is easy to understand by everyone and no amount of (perfectly accurate) stating that other things have gone up by (fill in exact percentage to two decimal points) is going to challenge that narrative at the water cooler at work. or down the Lamb and Flag on a Friday night. That and it being the first act of note from a (channels inner Neil Kinnock circa1985 ) Labour, a Labour govt.

    Why not just tax it at normal rates? Poor granny keeps it all, middling granny only loses 20% well off granny loses 40% and maybe it could’ve been phased out for 45% granny who was probably spending in Antigua in February anyway. Probably would’ve raised about as much as they ended up doing anyway once all clawbacks and u turns were done and dusted.

    Completely politically clueless.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,919
    FPT: Somewhat to my surprise, Seattle has done reasonably well, hosting its part of the World Cup.

    Some of the success is because of that common desire to impress visitors. So, for example, the mayor of Seattle, Katie Wilson, was talked into allowing some security camras to be turned on, shortly before visitors began arriving, and is now advocating efforts at reducing open air drug use in notorious hot spots.

    And, until today, we have been lucky in the weather here, but the weather forecasters are predicting hot weather for Wednesday, and possible cool rain for Friday.

    So, in minor celebration, here's a rotating webcam from on top of Seattle's best-known landmark:
    https://www.spaceneedle.com/webcam

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Wilson

  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,170
    edited 4:23PM
    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Yet another vanilla duplicate

    Forcing people to sell family homes on the death of a partner is not a good look. Most families don't hold 10% of the value their assets in easily accessible cash so would either have to sell or take out a loan.
    The special carve out for family homes is one of the main reasons the housing market is so ridiculously overpriced, and why pensioners cling onto family homes. We should tax them more than other assets, not the other way round.

    But IHT is stupid tax in general. Replace it and CT with an annual 1% property tax.
    Seems sensible but would it raise enough to compensate?
    More than enough. You’d have up to £40 billion left over, depending on how house prices respond. And most people would get a substantial tax cut, particularly in Red Wall areas.

    Council tax = £50 billion
    IHT = £8 billion
    1% property = £100 billion at current prices

    I’d do the rest abolishing Stsmp Duty (£15 billion) and on clearing the deficit.
    It'll be accompanied by tens of thousands of stories of cash poor asset rich people. Of course the centrists Dads of PB won't care, but pols will, as will journos, and most importantly regular people who 'know someone's Gran who had to sell their house and move into rented'.
    Not really. Compare 1% to your council tax bill. I have a rough model that suggests a large majority of people will get a tax cut - I’d get 20% off.

    Is be 3k worse off
    This might not be the best forum to seek examples.
    Also worse for us, but we're benefitting from the whole council-tax-only-gets-revalued-routinely-on-sale-even-if-you've-doubled-the-size-of-your-house thing. So I couldn't really complain.
  • I’m hearing Burnham has at least 250 MPs now, I suspect he will surpass 300 easily
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,872
    Andy_JS said:

    "The Football Association will not issue guidance to the England squad over whether to shake hands with the Ghanaian player Thomas Partey, who has been charged with seven counts of rape, ITV News understands. England are due to meet Ghana in their second World Cup match in Boston at 9pm BST on Tuesday."

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-06-22/will-england-players-shake-thomas-parteys-hand-at-their-match-against-ghana

    Bizarrely he's been refused a visa to Canada but not the US.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,171

    FPT: Somewhat to my surprise, Seattle has done reasonably well, hosting its part of the World Cup.

    Some of the success is because of that common desire to impress visitors. So, for example, the mayor of Seattle, Katie Wilson, was talked into allowing some security camras to be turned on, shortly before visitors began arriving, and is now advocating efforts at reducing open air drug use in notorious hot spots.

    And, until today, we have been lucky in the weather here, but the weather forecasters are predicting hot weather for Wednesday, and possible cool rain for Friday.

    So, in minor celebration, here's a rotating webcam from on top of Seattle's best-known landmark:
    https://www.spaceneedle.com/webcam

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Wilson

    Is it appropriate that Seattle’s landmark includes “needle” in its name?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,009
    edited 4:33PM

    FPT: Somewhat to my surprise, Seattle has done reasonably well, hosting its part of the World Cup.

    Some of the success is because of that common desire to impress visitors. So, for example, the mayor of Seattle, Katie Wilson, was talked into allowing some security camras to be turned on, shortly before visitors began arriving, and is now advocating efforts at reducing open air drug use in notorious hot spots.

    And, until today, we have been lucky in the weather here, but the weather forecasters are predicting hot weather for Wednesday, and possible cool rain for Friday.

    So, in minor celebration, here's a rotating webcam from on top of Seattle's best-known landmark:
    https://www.spaceneedle.com/webcam

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Wilson

    Following from literally half a world away, the US is producing a great advert for itself at the moment.

    Whether it’s the large groups of fans taking over the match cities, or the numerous Europeans doing once-in-a-lifetime road trips, everyone seems to be having a massive party. The Scots drinking Boston almost out of beer is possibly the highlight so far, along with the German fan Freddy who’s running around the South being offered serious hospitality by local celebrities.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,045
    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Yet another vanilla duplicate

    Forcing people to sell family homes on the death of a partner is not a good look. Most families don't hold 10% of the value their assets in easily accessible cash so would either have to sell or take out a loan.
    The special carve out for family homes is one of the main reasons the housing market is so ridiculously overpriced, and why pensioners cling onto family homes. We should tax them more than other assets, not the other way round.

    But IHT is stupid tax in general. Replace it and CT with an annual 1% property tax.
    Seems sensible but would it raise enough to compensate?
    More than enough. You’d have up to £40 billion left over, depending on how house prices respond. And most people would get a substantial tax cut, particularly in Red Wall areas.

    Council tax = £50 billion
    IHT = £8 billion
    1% property = £100 billion at current prices

    I’d do the rest abolishing Stsmp Duty (£15 billion) and on clearing the deficit.
    It'll be accompanied by tens of thousands of stories of cash poor asset rich people. Of course the centrists Dads of PB won't care, but pols will, as will journos, and most importantly regular people who 'know someone's Gran who had to sell their house and move into rented'.
    It shouldn't be too complicated to permit deferred tax payments and create a charge on the property that accrued interest as well. For the cash poor property rich.

    At least as a transition measure.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,009
    edited 4:37PM
    Labour MPs photo caption competition.



    "Hands up if you've ever run a business."
    https://x.com/burnsidewastosh/status/2069091025977589885
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,982

    I’m hearing Burnham has at least 250 MPs now, I suspect he will surpass 300 easily


    Pathetic cowards
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,171
    Ratters said:

    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Yet another vanilla duplicate

    Forcing people to sell family homes on the death of a partner is not a good look. Most families don't hold 10% of the value their assets in easily accessible cash so would either have to sell or take out a loan.
    The special carve out for family homes is one of the main reasons the housing market is so ridiculously overpriced, and why pensioners cling onto family homes. We should tax them more than other assets, not the other way round.

    But IHT is stupid tax in general. Replace it and CT with an annual 1% property tax.
    Seems sensible but would it raise enough to compensate?
    More than enough. You’d have up to £40 billion left over, depending on how house prices respond. And most people would get a substantial tax cut, particularly in Red Wall areas.

    Council tax = £50 billion
    IHT = £8 billion
    1% property = £100 billion at current prices

    I’d do the rest abolishing Stsmp Duty (£15 billion) and on clearing the deficit.
    It'll be accompanied by tens of thousands of stories of cash poor asset rich people. Of course the centrists Dads of PB won't care, but pols will, as will journos, and most importantly regular people who 'know someone's Gran who had to sell their house and move into rented'.
    It shouldn't be too complicated to permit deferred tax payments and create a charge on the property that accrued interest as well. For the cash poor property rich.

    At least as a transition measure.
    I thought that was already done for care costs.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,907
    welshowl said:

    nico67 said:

    It just shows that you can never predict anything with politics especially in recent years .

    But Starmer and Reeves managed to start kicking the foundations away when they decided to burn so much political capital on one of the biggest political own goals of all time.

    Quite how neither saw the utter stupidity of the WFA decision is beyond me !

    And you can trace back to the implosion in Starmers approval ratings from there .

    That's easy to argue with hindsight. But at the time, the state pension had risen by quite a lot (around £800 in the previous year, I think), and they didn't foresee that there'd be such a negative reaction to the withdrawal of a couple of hundred quid WFA. And, to be honest, I can't quite see why it provoked the visceral reaction it did, including from people who are keen to abandon the triple lock.
    It got a visceral reaction because “freezing grannies” is easy to understand by everyone and no amount of (perfectly accurate) stating that other things have gone up by (fill in exact percentage to two decimal points) is going to challenge that narrative at the water cooler at work. or down the Lamb and Flag on a Friday night. That and it being the first act of note from a (channels inner Neil Kinnock circa1985 ) Labour, a Labour govt.

    Why not just tax it at normal rates? Poor granny keeps it all, middling granny only loses 20% well off granny loses 40% and maybe it could’ve been phased out for 45% granny who was probably spending in Antigua in February anyway. Probably would’ve raised about as much as they ended up doing anyway once all clawbacks and u turns were done and dusted.

    Completely politically clueless.
    As I keep saying

    1) Identify issues
    2) Come up with a Labour adjacent policy to deal with issue

    Labour MPs and members are going to get the pom-poms out for cutting welfare. But offer them :"We will target more money on the poor, and take it off those who are on £50K plus income" - and they might even smile.

    Similarly - illegal immigration. Expelling people on charted planes - not popular. Go after the companies and the criminal gangs who exploit illegal workers - and add in defending minimum wage and working conditions. You'll have the unions coming round to sing the Red Flag.

    Can I be Labour leader, please?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,054
    Andy_JS said:

    "The Football Association will not issue guidance to the England squad over whether to shake hands with the Ghanaian player Thomas Partey, who has been charged with seven counts of rape, ITV News understands. England are due to meet Ghana in their second World Cup match in Boston at 9pm BST on Tuesday."

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-06-22/will-england-players-shake-thomas-parteys-hand-at-their-match-against-ghana

    The whole “innocent until found guilty” seems to apply selectively these days. Best just to carry out the formalities and not make a judgement.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,907

    Ratters said:

    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Yet another vanilla duplicate

    Forcing people to sell family homes on the death of a partner is not a good look. Most families don't hold 10% of the value their assets in easily accessible cash so would either have to sell or take out a loan.
    The special carve out for family homes is one of the main reasons the housing market is so ridiculously overpriced, and why pensioners cling onto family homes. We should tax them more than other assets, not the other way round.

    But IHT is stupid tax in general. Replace it and CT with an annual 1% property tax.
    Seems sensible but would it raise enough to compensate?
    More than enough. You’d have up to £40 billion left over, depending on how house prices respond. And most people would get a substantial tax cut, particularly in Red Wall areas.

    Council tax = £50 billion
    IHT = £8 billion
    1% property = £100 billion at current prices

    I’d do the rest abolishing Stsmp Duty (£15 billion) and on clearing the deficit.
    It'll be accompanied by tens of thousands of stories of cash poor asset rich people. Of course the centrists Dads of PB won't care, but pols will, as will journos, and most importantly regular people who 'know someone's Gran who had to sell their house and move into rented'.
    It shouldn't be too complicated to permit deferred tax payments and create a charge on the property that accrued interest as well. For the cash poor property rich.

    At least as a transition measure.
    I thought that was already done for care costs.
    Apparently, a large number of homes are now "blocked" from being taken by councils for care costs, by children moving back in with the parents. And establishing habitation rights.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,054
    Sandpit said:

    Labour MPs photo caption competition.



    "Hands up if you've ever run a business."
    https://x.com/burnsidewastosh/status/2069091025977589885

    The Lynx Manchester effect.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,907
    boulay said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The Football Association will not issue guidance to the England squad over whether to shake hands with the Ghanaian player Thomas Partey, who has been charged with seven counts of rape, ITV News understands. England are due to meet Ghana in their second World Cup match in Boston at 9pm BST on Tuesday."

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-06-22/will-england-players-shake-thomas-parteys-hand-at-their-match-against-ghana

    The whole “innocent until found guilty” seems to apply selectively these days. Best just to carry out the formalities and not make a judgement.
    That's a criminal legal judgement. There is also, in a number of jurisdictions, the civil case standard of proof. Then you have "he's a nasty shit, but he isn't a criminal".

    The idea that, until someone is legally proven to the criminal case standard, they must be treated as completely innocent is actually a very new idea.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,009
    edited 4:44PM

    welshowl said:

    nico67 said:

    It just shows that you can never predict anything with politics especially in recent years .

    But Starmer and Reeves managed to start kicking the foundations away when they decided to burn so much political capital on one of the biggest political own goals of all time.

    Quite how neither saw the utter stupidity of the WFA decision is beyond me !

    And you can trace back to the implosion in Starmers approval ratings from there .

    That's easy to argue with hindsight. But at the time, the state pension had risen by quite a lot (around £800 in the previous year, I think), and they didn't foresee that there'd be such a negative reaction to the withdrawal of a couple of hundred quid WFA. And, to be honest, I can't quite see why it provoked the visceral reaction it did, including from people who are keen to abandon the triple lock.
    It got a visceral reaction because “freezing grannies” is easy to understand by everyone and no amount of (perfectly accurate) stating that other things have gone up by (fill in exact percentage to two decimal points) is going to challenge that narrative at the water cooler at work. or down the Lamb and Flag on a Friday night. That and it being the first act of note from a (channels inner Neil Kinnock circa1985 ) Labour, a Labour govt.

    Why not just tax it at normal rates? Poor granny keeps it all, middling granny only loses 20% well off granny loses 40% and maybe it could’ve been phased out for 45% granny who was probably spending in Antigua in February anyway. Probably would’ve raised about as much as they ended up doing anyway once all clawbacks and u turns were done and dusted.

    Completely politically clueless.
    As I keep saying

    1) Identify issues
    2) Come up with a Labour adjacent policy to deal with issue

    Labour MPs and members are going to get the pom-poms out for cutting welfare. But offer them :"We will target more money on the poor, and take it off those who are on £50K plus income" - and they might even smile.

    Similarly - illegal immigration. Expelling people on charted planes - not popular. Go after the companies and the criminal gangs who exploit illegal workers - and add in defending minimum wage and working conditions. You'll have the unions coming round to sing the Red Flag.

    Can I be Labour leader, please?
    That was Keir’s biggest problem, he simply couldn’t sell his policies to his own party. It’s not difficult to come up with the right left language both for the news and for the MPs.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,907
    Sandpit said:

    welshowl said:

    nico67 said:

    It just shows that you can never predict anything with politics especially in recent years .

    But Starmer and Reeves managed to start kicking the foundations away when they decided to burn so much political capital on one of the biggest political own goals of all time.

    Quite how neither saw the utter stupidity of the WFA decision is beyond me !

    And you can trace back to the implosion in Starmers approval ratings from there .

    That's easy to argue with hindsight. But at the time, the state pension had risen by quite a lot (around £800 in the previous year, I think), and they didn't foresee that there'd be such a negative reaction to the withdrawal of a couple of hundred quid WFA. And, to be honest, I can't quite see why it provoked the visceral reaction it did, including from people who are keen to abandon the triple lock.
    It got a visceral reaction because “freezing grannies” is easy to understand by everyone and no amount of (perfectly accurate) stating that other things have gone up by (fill in exact percentage to two decimal points) is going to challenge that narrative at the water cooler at work. or down the Lamb and Flag on a Friday night. That and it being the first act of note from a (channels inner Neil Kinnock circa1985 ) Labour, a Labour govt.

    Why not just tax it at normal rates? Poor granny keeps it all, middling granny only loses 20% well off granny loses 40% and maybe it could’ve been phased out for 45% granny who was probably spending in Antigua in February anyway. Probably would’ve raised about as much as they ended up doing anyway once all clawbacks and u turns were done and dusted.

    Completely politically clueless.
    As I keep saying

    1) Identify issues
    2) Come up with a Labour adjacent policy to deal with issue

    Labour MPs and members are going to get the pom-poms out for cutting welfare. But offer them :"We will target more money on the poor, and take it off those who are on £50K plus income" - and they might even smile.

    Similarly - illegal immigration. Expelling people on charted planes - not popular. Go after the companies and the criminal gangs who exploit illegal workers - and add in defending minimum wage and working conditions. You'll have the unions coming round to sing the Red Flag.

    Can I be Labour leader, please?
    That was Keir’s biggest problem, he simply couldn’t sell his policies to his own party. It’s not difficult to come up with the right left language both for the news and for the MPs.
    His problem was that he was trying to sell policies that were antithetical to much of Labour.

    And that's the problem with the "Right Wing Media" thesis. Many Labour voters have moved to the The Hyper Right Wing Neon Nazi Imperialist Party... The Greens.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,777
    You go to the cinema for a couple of films and when you come out

    Downing Street is Coronation Street.

    When does the King meet the King
  • https://x.com/hackblackburn/status/2069053919913766938

    Tory MP: “He’s not the Messiah”

    Burnham: “Naughty boy”M

    Burnham the Bantersaurus Rex
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,949

    You go to the cinema for a couple of films and when you come out

    Downing Street is Coronation Street.

    When does the King meet the King

    I think the King will be crying into his cornflakes when he asks Burnham to form a government. One can't do one's role if the populace lets one down.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,171
    Hang on, if King Andy is returned unopposed, then he'll be PM in time for the World Cup Final?

    *checks odds of England victory*
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,474

    Ratters said:

    Mortimer said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Yet another vanilla duplicate

    Forcing people to sell family homes on the death of a partner is not a good look. Most families don't hold 10% of the value their assets in easily accessible cash so would either have to sell or take out a loan.
    The special carve out for family homes is one of the main reasons the housing market is so ridiculously overpriced, and why pensioners cling onto family homes. We should tax them more than other assets, not the other way round.

    But IHT is stupid tax in general. Replace it and CT with an annual 1% property tax.
    Seems sensible but would it raise enough to compensate?
    More than enough. You’d have up to £40 billion left over, depending on how house prices respond. And most people would get a substantial tax cut, particularly in Red Wall areas.

    Council tax = £50 billion
    IHT = £8 billion
    1% property = £100 billion at current prices

    I’d do the rest abolishing Stsmp Duty (£15 billion) and on clearing the deficit.
    It'll be accompanied by tens of thousands of stories of cash poor asset rich people. Of course the centrists Dads of PB won't care, but pols will, as will journos, and most importantly regular people who 'know someone's Gran who had to sell their house and move into rented'.
    It shouldn't be too complicated to permit deferred tax payments and create a charge on the property that accrued interest as well. For the cash poor property rich.

    At least as a transition measure.
    I thought that was already done for care costs.
    It is.

    My mother in law spent 4 years in a care home, well looked after and happy in return for her state pension and a small private pension and a 10k charge on her property for each of the 4 years

    Her son and daughter in law who was a gobshite wanted to sell the house, had they done she'd have died as all the money ran out.

    I'd done a quick calculation that the amount of the charge was very similar to house price inflation.

    I'd explained that if he assumed that 50% of the value was his inheritance based on the day she went in to care, and he'd get that sum 5 years later but not the proceeds of the house inflation, he still didn't get it.

    He collared exactly what he would have done on 2018 values when she passed in 2022. Better than coughing up the lot of he'd sold

    It's a scheme that coukd be easily adapted and extended.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,009
    British Saturday Night Live’s new Burnham impersonator? Comic Russell Kane nails the impression.

    https://x.com/sorelle_arduino/status/2065728803356193057
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,777
    Andy is hitting the ground running

    https://x.com/algorecrave/status/2069026389685137461
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,009
    Messi misses a penalty!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,183
    Unlike Messi. Boy's useless.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,117
    edited 5:10PM
    He certainly has the zeitgeist, at the moment
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,253
    CatMan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The Football Association will not issue guidance to the England squad over whether to shake hands with the Ghanaian player Thomas Partey, who has been charged with seven counts of rape, ITV News understands. England are due to meet Ghana in their second World Cup match in Boston at 9pm BST on Tuesday."

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-06-22/will-england-players-shake-thomas-parteys-hand-at-their-match-against-ghana

    Bizarrely he's been refused a visa to Canada but not the US.
    Hope is this bizarre? The US is run by a rapist.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,116
    Casual destruction of a listed building, disgraceful.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,117
    kle4 said:

    Casual destruction of a listed building, disgraceful.
    That’s him liberalising planning and building regulations. @BartholomewRoberts likes this
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,949

    He certainly has the zeitgeist, at the moment
    Madness. Some hopeless loon turns up from the regions and is Jean d'Arc.

  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,423
    From previous pic ...

    Interesting pose.


  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,116

    I’m hearing Burnham has at least 250 MPs now, I suspect he will surpass 300 easily

    It will be kind of funny which MPs don't sign, and why, given it is very very easy to do it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,116
    Andy_JS said:

    This campaign is pointless, may as well just finish nominations tomorrow

    100% agree. All the delay does is give valuable political space and airtime to the likes of Lowe, Farage and Polanski.
    Whilst I agree the delay is pointless let's have some perspective, a week or two won't make any appreciable difference even in this 24hr news cycle age.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,450
    Just to clarify: my understanding is that a Burnham proposes to scrap the current IHT and replace it with a flat 10% rate with far fewer exemptions.

    So really not red meat for the left. Actually good news mainly for the well off.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,585
    Andy_JS said:

    "Lewis Goodall
    @lewis_goodall

    Steve Bray blasting Ode to Joy, ruining nationally historic moments like this for us and posterity, is a complete disgrace. A yob."

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/2068975930270179330

    why do the effete cops not arrest the twat for disturbing the peace and bad taste.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,183

    Hang on, if King Andy is returned unopposed, then he'll be PM in time for the World Cup Final?

    *checks odds of England victory*

    Its wedding invites he needs to watch out for. WC finals are fine.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,949
    It's just all so embarrassing.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,116
    Omnium said:

    It's just all so embarrassing.

    You really need to narrow that down.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,585

    Scott_xP said:

    dixiedean said:

    I'd like to apply to be a professional Northerner. What's the salary?

    All the black pudding you can eat. And a whippet.
    My three year old son loves black pudding, although disturbingly he calls it black willy.
    he is going to have good taste by the sound of things
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,949
    kle4 said:

    Omnium said:

    It's just all so embarrassing.

    You really need to narrow that down.
    Well, I'd like to, but its an almost impossible task.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,231

    Battlebus said:

    Eabhal said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Pulpstar said:

    It has been suggested Burnham will introduce a 10% IHT care levy on all estates

    Seems a sensible suggestion but the entitled children of estates may kick and scream

    Taxes on death are famously popular with voters.
    A universal 10% inheritance tax would raise many billions more pounds than the current 40% inheritance tax, that most people with actual money do an awful lot to avoid.

    Arthur Laffer was right.
    You’re describing tax avoidance, not the Laffer effect. Common mistake.

    Unless you’re suggesting rich people aren’t dying as a result of IHT?
    Can you not use pejorative terms like 'tax avoidance' and use the neutral term 'tax minimisation strategies.'
    If you implement a one week moratorium on links to the Telegraph we have a deal. The 0.01ppt movement in borrowing costs histrionics earlier today (and posted by some gullible PBer) was just ridiculous.
    The Telegraph produces great comedy, who can forget the cyclist doing 50mph.
    I've done 52 mph on a cycle no problem. You just need a high enough hill.
    Or cliff. Hint: you may only do 52mph once!
    52 mph shows such lack of ambition when there's terminal velocity to be achieved!
    I've done 50mph on a bike but not for a while. Speed wobbles when descending into Hawes put me off that a bit...

    Best left to Tom Pidcock et al.
    Rule #85
    true your rims :)
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,585
    Scott_xP said:

    dixiedean said:

    I'd like to apply to be a professional Northerner. What's the salary?

    All the black pudding you can eat. And a whippet.
    Can I get an interview
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,009
    God to see the booing of the “hydration” ad break continues from the fans.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,907
    a
    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Lewis Goodall
    @lewis_goodall

    Steve Bray blasting Ode to Joy, ruining nationally historic moments like this for us and posterity, is a complete disgrace. A yob."

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/2068975930270179330

    why do the effete cops not arrest the twat for disturbing the peace and bad taste.
    Seems a bit hash to arrest Starmer, just as he resigned.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,921
    Omnium said:

    kle4 said:

    Omnium said:

    It's just all so embarrassing.

    You really need to narrow that down.
    Well, I'd like to, but its an almost impossible task.
    Can you start by telling us what's not embarrassing?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,638
    MelonB said:

    Just to clarify: my understanding is that a Burnham proposes to scrap the current IHT and replace it with a flat 10% rate with far fewer exemptions.

    So really not red meat for the left. Actually good news mainly for the well off.

    Yep. Very bad for the vast majority of people who don't currently pay any IHT but very good for the wealthiest in society. Not exactly great left wing policies and certainly not good for re-election prospects.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,585
    Sweeney74 said:

    SNP clown shoe of an MP doing the performative Sovereign People of Scotland bit again...
    utterly embarrassing

    get up off your belly and grow a spine rather than be a London lickspittle
  • RichardrRichardr Posts: 108
    CatMan said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The Football Association will not issue guidance to the England squad over whether to shake hands with the Ghanaian player Thomas Partey, who has been charged with seven counts of rape, ITV News understands. England are due to meet Ghana in their second World Cup match in Boston at 9pm BST on Tuesday."

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-06-22/will-england-players-shake-thomas-parteys-hand-at-their-match-against-ghana

    Bizarrely he's been refused a visa to Canada but not the US.
    He may have been banned in Canada anyway, but "The ruling revealed that when applying for a temporary resident visa, Partey answered "No" when asked whether he had been arrested, charged with, or committed a criminal offence."
    I suspect it was the relevant FA that filled in the forms.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,183
    Omnium said:

    He certainly has the zeitgeist, at the moment
    Madness. Some hopeless loon turns up from the regions and is Jean d'Arc.

    IIRC that's the way it works.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,009
    edited 5:31PM
    So Andy Burnham used to refer to Theresa May as “Unelected PM… with no mandate”.

    https://x.com/andyburnhamgm/status/838883169180995584
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,423
    Sweeney74 said:

    SNP clown shoe of an MP doing the performative Sovereign People of Scotland bit again...
    utterly embarrassing

    Suspect a bit of trolling here. Jacob Rees Moggs dad was a fan of the "Sovereign People". He even wrote a book about it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sovereign_Individual
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,611
    Sandpit said:

    Labour MPs photo caption competition.



    "Hands up if you've ever run a business."
    https://x.com/burnsidewastosh/status/2069091025977589885

    When he bucks up, you'll be wanting to delete this picture.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,009

    MelonB said:

    Just to clarify: my understanding is that a Burnham proposes to scrap the current IHT and replace it with a flat 10% rate with far fewer exemptions.

    So really not red meat for the left. Actually good news mainly for the well off.

    Yep. Very bad for the vast majority of people who don't currently pay any IHT but very good for the wealthiest in society. Not exactly great left wing policies and certainly not good for re-election prospects.
    If they can make it work so that it frees up huge amounts of council tax to actually provide local services, on the other hand, then every Labour MP can point to the filled potholes, new buses, and clean town centres at the next election.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,156

    MelonB said:

    Just to clarify: my understanding is that a Burnham proposes to scrap the current IHT and replace it with a flat 10% rate with far fewer exemptions.

    So really not red meat for the left. Actually good news mainly for the well off.

    Yep. Very bad for the vast majority of people who don't currently pay any IHT but very good for the wealthiest in society. Not exactly great left wing policies and certainly not good for re-election prospects.
    The really wealth avoid IHT, its middle class people who are most subjected to it
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