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  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 26,333
    Taz said:

    Anyhoo

    Making redundancies today

    Labour values in action

    Can’t be easy.

    I hate it.

    But sales are just tumble weed and we have to react.

    If that stupid prat Reeves hadnt cost us £400k on NI we'd just tough it out.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,775
    Scott_xP said:

    @alexpartridge87.bsky.social‬

    Welcome aboard your Avanti West Coast service, calling at Stockport, Stoke on Trent, Stafford and the Finland Station

    Branch line to Downing Street from Manchester HS3 or AB1
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,005
    RIP Alan Greenspan.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,005
    Sweeney74 said:

    Steve Bray's "Ode to Joy" plays out while Starmer resigns.

    A tribute to the film Die Hard, a film that was released in July 1988, which confirms it isn't a Christmas film and the British public agree with me.
    In that case you and the British Public are wrong.

    Die Hard isn’t merely set at Christmas. Christmas is integral to the plot. The office party is the reason most of the building is empty and why the hostages are all gathered together. McClane is in Los Angeles because it’s Christmas. His entire character arc is about reconciling with his wife and rebuilding his family at Christmas. The soundtrack is full of Christmas music, the imagery is Christmas imagery throughout, and the story ends with redemption, reconciliation and good triumphing over evil.

    A July release date proves nothing. Miracle on 34th Street was released in June.

    Hill I will die (hard) on.
    Is Home Alone a Christmas movie?

    Die Hard is Home Alone for grown-ups.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,613

    Never saw SKS's lips quiver for the Kids of Gaza shot in their heads by the IDF but today they did.

    This is a tough audience...
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,508

    Fuxsake.

    Paddy O'Connell is the man on the spot at Platform 13 at Euston for WATO.

    In other news WATO indirectly suggesting the need for a GE.

    a) Paddy O'Connell is a smarmy, self-serving git; and
    b) we do need a GE.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 44,508

    RIP Alan Greenspan.

    How we used to stufy carefully his "Pool of Available Workers" indicator.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 727

    Sweeney74 said:

    Steve Bray's "Ode to Joy" plays out while Starmer resigns.

    A tribute to the film Die Hard, a film that was released in July 1988, which confirms it isn't a Christmas film and the British public agree with me.
    In that case you and the British Public are wrong.

    Die Hard isn’t merely set at Christmas. Christmas is integral to the plot. The office party is the reason most of the building is empty and why the hostages are all gathered together. McClane is in Los Angeles because it’s Christmas. His entire character arc is about reconciling with his wife and rebuilding his family at Christmas. The soundtrack is full of Christmas music, the imagery is Christmas imagery throughout, and the story ends with redemption, reconciliation and good triumphing over evil.

    A July release date proves nothing. Miracle on 34th Street was released in June.

    Hill I will die (hard) on.
    Is Home Alone a Christmas movie?

    Die Hard is Home Alone for grown-ups.
    Well, quite... not sure if you're agreeing with me or not

    Home Alone is universally accepted as a Christmas film despite also being a family comedy, a caper film and an object lesson in improvised anti-personnel warfare.

    Like Die Hard, the plot only works because it’s Christmas. The family are travelling for Christmas, Kevin is left behind because of Christmas travel chaos, and the story culminates in family reconciliation at Christmas.

    The fact that Die Hard is essentially Home Alone for adults doesn’t make it less of a Christmas film. It just has a higher body count.
  • After losing a £100 treble on KoN/SNP/SNP on Thursday albeit mainly offset by the single on Burnham, I am not counting my chickens on LABurnham till i receive the winnings (should it happen)

    LABurnham's are notoriously poisonous...
    Also almost impossible to get rid of
    Beautiful wood though when you cut them up
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,626
    edited 12:39PM
    Sweeney74 said:

    Steve Bray's "Ode to Joy" plays out while Starmer resigns.

    A tribute to the film Die Hard, a film that was released in July 1988, which confirms it isn't a Christmas film and the British public agree with me.
    In that case you and the British Public are wrong.

    Die Hard isn’t merely set at Christmas. Christmas is integral to the plot. The office party is the reason most of the building is empty and why the hostages are all gathered together. McClane is in Los Angeles because it’s Christmas. His entire character arc is about reconciling with his wife and rebuilding his family at Christmas. The soundtrack is full of Christmas music, the imagery is Christmas imagery throughout, and the story ends with redemption, reconciliation and good triumphing over evil.

    A July release date proves nothing. Miracle on 34th Street was released in June.

    Hill I will die (hard) on.
    I'll be beside you.

    Edit: Holiday Inn- the original Bing Crosby 'White Christmas' film was released in July and 'White Christmas' itself was released in October.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,473
    "Burnham's train from Manchester to London delayed"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckger03mrl0t
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,402
    Sky at Euston. Lots of people walk past.

    "No Frank, they're not here for you. Weird Al Yankovic is on the train"
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,473

    Sky News have got a helicopter following Burnham’s train into London.

    Drone would be better surely?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,228

    Never saw SKS's lips quiver for the Kids of Gaza shot in their heads by the IDF but today they did.

    my fathers' day mooch around a house and gallery was marred by a racist old woman loudly opining on baby-killing that is a human rights atrocity and that which is fine, her friend, a head it appeared, was equally opiniated on the large minority in her state school who "weren't integrating" as opposed to another minority who didn't attend her school, instead going to their own faith school.
    Didn't seem to have occurred to her in the slightest that by attending her state school they were integrating.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,005
    Sweeney74 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Steve Bray's "Ode to Joy" plays out while Starmer resigns.

    A tribute to the film Die Hard, a film that was released in July 1988, which confirms it isn't a Christmas film and the British public agree with me.
    In that case you and the British Public are wrong.

    Die Hard isn’t merely set at Christmas. Christmas is integral to the plot. The office party is the reason most of the building is empty and why the hostages are all gathered together. McClane is in Los Angeles because it’s Christmas. His entire character arc is about reconciling with his wife and rebuilding his family at Christmas. The soundtrack is full of Christmas music, the imagery is Christmas imagery throughout, and the story ends with redemption, reconciliation and good triumphing over evil.

    A July release date proves nothing. Miracle on 34th Street was released in June.

    Hill I will die (hard) on.
    Is Home Alone a Christmas movie?

    Die Hard is Home Alone for grown-ups.
    Well, quite... not sure if you're agreeing with me or not

    Home Alone is universally accepted as a Christmas film despite also being a family comedy, a caper film and an object lesson in improvised anti-personnel warfare.

    Like Die Hard, the plot only works because it’s Christmas. The family are travelling for Christmas, Kevin is left behind because of Christmas travel chaos, and the story culminates in family reconciliation at Christmas.

    The fact that Die Hard is essentially Home Alone for adults doesn’t make it less of a Christmas film. It just has a higher body count.
    100% agreeing with you.

    Home Alone is absolutely a Christmas movie, and Die Hard is a more explosive Home Alone.

    It is absolutely a Christmas movie.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,473

    Fuxsake.

    Paddy O'Connell is the man on the spot at Platform 13 at Euston for WATO.

    In other news WATO indirectly suggesting the need for a GE.

    There is no need for a GE. But then there wasn't when Truss, Sunsk etc took over either, but it didn't stop Labour calling for one.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,205
    Andy_JS said:

    "Burnham's train from Manchester to London delayed"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckger03mrl0t

    Burnham is travelling first class apparently like a good socialist
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,473
    Sweeney74 said:

    Steve Bray's "Ode to Joy" plays out while Starmer resigns.

    A tribute to the film Die Hard, a film that was released in July 1988, which confirms it isn't a Christmas film and the British public agree with me.
    In that case you and the British Public are wrong.

    Die Hard isn’t merely set at Christmas. Christmas is integral to the plot. The office party is the reason most of the building is empty and why the hostages are all gathered together. McClane is in Los Angeles because it’s Christmas. His entire character arc is about reconciling with his wife and rebuilding his family at Christmas. The soundtrack is full of Christmas music, the imagery is Christmas imagery throughout, and the story ends with redemption, reconciliation and good triumphing over evil.

    A July release date proves nothing. Miracle on 34th Street was released in June.

    Hill I will die (hard) on.
    But, still, wouldn't a Christmas film usually be released around that time?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,626
    edited 12:43PM
    HYUFD said:

    Brixian59 said:

    Burnham and Streeting in tandem would be formidable

    Centre left keep all but the idiots happy, Centre Right soothe the markets and make great appeal to disaffected one nation Tories in seats where it's Labour v Reform

    Both excellent communicators.

    On a personal level I've no doubt Starmer is the same as May, Cameron, Brown, Blair, Major.,decent people who you could disagree with, question their competency and politics but at heart decent men and women

    As for Farage, of course he's desperate for a General Election, he's like an aging right winger whose legs have gone, body has been abused by alcohol and fags and can't offer anything at all


    He's desperate too to grab power, overturn democracy and turn the UK in to a totalitarian state. He can die waiting.

    We don't want the political equivalent of Wee Willie Johnstone or Ted McMinn


    The woman who was responsible for the Windrush scandal and for telling legally settled immigrants they shouldn't be here was not, in any way, a decent person.
    Still, May was PM for longer than Starmer, Sunak and Truss were and even Boris only beat her by a few months
    Which has nothing at all to do with the question of whether or not she was a decent person. Pesonally I regard her as in the same vein as Farage whe it comes to immigration. The only difference is, sadly, she was in a position to do something.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,775
    Andy_JS said:

    "Burnham's train from Manchester to London delayed"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckger03mrl0t

    KoN best know you can claim Delay Repay for 25% of the cost of your single ticket (or 12.5% of a return ticket) for a 19 min delay.

    If he doesn't its a resignation matter

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,699
    Andy_JS said:

    "Burnham's train from Manchester to London delayed"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckger03mrl0t

    Arrived at Euston now according to your (live) link.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,613
    Scott_xP said:

    @alexpartridge87.bsky.social‬

    Welcome aboard your Avanti West Coast service, calling at Stockport, Stoke on Trent, Stafford and the Finland Station

    Read that as Alan Partridge.

    Thought "That's bit highbrow, Alan..."
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,040

    NEW THREAD

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,473
    Andy_JS said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Steve Bray's "Ode to Joy" plays out while Starmer resigns.

    A tribute to the film Die Hard, a film that was released in July 1988, which confirms it isn't a Christmas film and the British public agree with me.
    In that case you and the British Public are wrong.

    Die Hard isn’t merely set at Christmas. Christmas is integral to the plot. The office party is the reason most of the building is empty and why the hostages are all gathered together. McClane is in Los Angeles because it’s Christmas. His entire character arc is about reconciling with his wife and rebuilding his family at Christmas. The soundtrack is full of Christmas music, the imagery is Christmas imagery throughout, and the story ends with redemption, reconciliation and good triumphing over evil.

    A July release date proves nothing. Miracle on 34th Street was released in June.

    Hill I will die (hard) on.
    But, still, wouldn't a Christmas film usually be released around that time?
    Is Last Christmas a Christmas movie?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,632
    Nigelb said:

    Starmer care about Starmer . He threw colleagues to the wolves and civil servants. He must go down as one of the worst MPs possibly eclipsing the utterly useless Brown as the worst PM since my teens.

    Was your favourite Johnson or Truss?
    Maggie
    I am guessing your were but a wean in 1990. I remember Thatcher and from my side of the fence it was not a happy time in the country, and we are reaping the rewards now. Not least the fallout from the Big Bang, deindustrialisation, denationalisation and the Right to Buy.
    Time to consign her, for better or worse, to history.
    Thatcherism (whatever it actually was) is irrelevant to addressing our current problems.
    (Even if it bequeathed us with some of them.)
    I am reading Jones’s Tyranny of Nostalgia now, and his account of the Thatcher government’s economic policy, certainly on the macro side and during the first half of her tenure, is shockingly bad, arising from their obsession with monetarist ideology unsupported either by evidence or practical application, which did significant damage. It was only their return to a bit more pragmatism, and the payoff from some of their supply side changes plus of course the bonanza of North Sea oil, that pulled things around during their later term. The story the Tories told at the time and subsequently rests upon the damage done back then being an unavoidable consequences of vitally needed changes, but the truth appears closer to the causes of recklessness, ignorance and incompetence.
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 727

    Sweeney74 said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Steve Bray's "Ode to Joy" plays out while Starmer resigns.

    A tribute to the film Die Hard, a film that was released in July 1988, which confirms it isn't a Christmas film and the British public agree with me.
    In that case you and the British Public are wrong.

    Die Hard isn’t merely set at Christmas. Christmas is integral to the plot. The office party is the reason most of the building is empty and why the hostages are all gathered together. McClane is in Los Angeles because it’s Christmas. His entire character arc is about reconciling with his wife and rebuilding his family at Christmas. The soundtrack is full of Christmas music, the imagery is Christmas imagery throughout, and the story ends with redemption, reconciliation and good triumphing over evil.

    A July release date proves nothing. Miracle on 34th Street was released in June.

    Hill I will die (hard) on.
    Is Home Alone a Christmas movie?

    Die Hard is Home Alone for grown-ups.
    Well, quite... not sure if you're agreeing with me or not

    Home Alone is universally accepted as a Christmas film despite also being a family comedy, a caper film and an object lesson in improvised anti-personnel warfare.

    Like Die Hard, the plot only works because it’s Christmas. The family are travelling for Christmas, Kevin is left behind because of Christmas travel chaos, and the story culminates in family reconciliation at Christmas.

    The fact that Die Hard is essentially Home Alone for adults doesn’t make it less of a Christmas film. It just has a higher body count.
    100% agreeing with you.

    Home Alone is absolutely a Christmas movie, and Die Hard is a more explosive Home Alone.

    It is absolutely a Christmas movie.
    As an aside, someone pointed out to me recently that from the Xenomorph's POV, Alien is just Die Hard in space.
    It spends most of it's time crawling through ducts being chased by a man with a beard.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,994

    I am feeling optimistic about the UK and the future.

    Cambridge men as PM and Chancellor.

    Trying to find a market on Burnham to win more seats than Starmer in 2024.

    The first Cambridge PM since Stanley Baldwin. The first Cambridge CoE since Kwasi Kwarteng.
    I went to university in Cambridge. I didn't go to Cambridge University, though.

    Anglia Ruskin; Almost (a) Real University!
    It won't have been called Anglia Ruskin in your day though!
    I went as an 'elderly' post-grad in the 90's.
    The best sort of postgrad! I say that as someone who teaches lots of postgrads.
    A driving instructor told me the best pupils were women and teenage boys, and the worst were middle-aged men because they knew it all and wouldn't learn, whereas women were more amenable to instruction and teenagers were so desperate to pass that they'd put their egos aside for one hour a week.
    It used to be said that to get a private pilots’ licence took 20 plus your age in years, hours in the plane to get to the point of passing the test.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,775
    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Burnham's train from Manchester to London delayed"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckger03mrl0t

    Burnham is travelling first class apparently like a good socialist
    Dennis Skinner never did.

    Jezza sits on the floor so other people can have his seat

    Burnham is a class traitor headlines for weeks now as Billionaire newspaper owners shit themselves they may have to pay some tax
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,015
    IanB2 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Starmer care about Starmer . He threw colleagues to the wolves and civil servants. He must go down as one of the worst MPs possibly eclipsing the utterly useless Brown as the worst PM since my teens.

    Was your favourite Johnson or Truss?
    Maggie
    I am guessing your were but a wean in 1990. I remember Thatcher and from my side of the fence it was not a happy time in the country, and we are reaping the rewards now. Not least the fallout from the Big Bang, deindustrialisation, denationalisation and the Right to Buy.
    Time to consign her, for better or worse, to history.
    Thatcherism (whatever it actually was) is irrelevant to addressing our current problems.
    (Even if it bequeathed us with some of them.)
    I am reading Jones’s Tyranny of Nostalgia now, and his account of the Thatcher government’s economic policy, certainly on the macro side and during the first half of her tenure, is shockingly bad, arising from their obsession with monetarist ideology unsupported either by evidence or practical application, which did significant damage. It was only their return to a bit more pragmatism, and the payoff from some of their supply side changes plus of course the bonanza of North Sea oil, that pulled things around during their later term. The story the Tories told at the time and subsequently rests upon the damage done back then being an unavoidable consequences of vitally needed changes, but the truth appears closer to the causes of recklessness, ignorance and incompetence.
    Which of the two did you mean?
    • The Thatcher government’s economic policy, certainly on the macro side and during the first half of her tenure, is shockingly bad.
    • His account (of the Thatcher government’s economic policy, certainly on the macro side and during the first half of her tenure) is shockingly bad,
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,652
    I presume LedByDonkeys will be thinking up their latest wheeze over this.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,652

    Scott_xP said:

    @alexpartridge87.bsky.social‬

    Welcome aboard your Avanti West Coast service, calling at Stockport, Stoke on Trent, Stafford and the Finland Station

    Read that as Alan Partridge.

    Thought "That's bit highbrow, Alan..."

    Scott_xP said:

    @alexpartridge87.bsky.social‬

    Welcome aboard your Avanti West Coast service, calling at Stockport, Stoke on Trent, Stafford and the Finland Station

    Read that as Alan Partridge.

    Thought "That's bit highbrow, Alan..."
    Well ‘Backstabbing Central’ is quite fitting.
  • BobSykesBobSykes Posts: 53
    Hooray.. Finally managed to find a way to view and post comments again!

    Mixed feelings on Burnham. Much as i don't greatly like him based on his previous in government and as my metro mayor, and think the obvious success i see every day in Manchester owes much to those he's piggybacked on to, i think he'll be a reasonable PM and considerably better than Starmer. As a working class origins Lancastrian, and Manchester based for two decades myself, i identify more with Burnham than i could with Starmer or any of his recent predecessors. So kind of want him to succeed, to a point, even if I'm moderately centre right and would obviously prefer to have a sensible one nation Tory government in power.

    They need to get him started now though if they aren't having a contest it would be ludicrous to wait until July or later if it's a coronation.

    Interesting times....

  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,419

    Taz said:

    Anyhoo

    Making redundancies today

    Labour values in action

    Can’t be easy.

    I hate it.

    But sales are just tumble weed and we have to react.

    If that stupid prat Reeves hadnt cost us £400k on NI we'd just tough it out.
    You're also saving the jobs of others that may have gone had you struggled on. Hope you've got a matrix on the selection process as some get upset, as you might expect, and come back via an ET.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,994

    Sky at Euston. Lots of people walk past.

    "No Frank, they're not here for you. Weird Al Yankovic is on the train"

    Can we campaign to get 81 votes for Weird Al?
  • Herner_WerzogHerner_Werzog Posts: 18

    The more I think about it, Sir Keir Starmer is a bit like Sir Winston Churchill.

    Churchill was a brilliant wartime PM but a terrible peacetime PM.

    Starmer decent LOTO but woeful PM.

    Harsh on WSC. His Indian summer premiership was scarcely "terrible" and Eden won a majority on the back of it. Indeed, Churchill compares favourably with his immediate successor.
    Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe WSC had his doubts about Eden's suitability for the top job. In the event, he was proved right.
    After his final dinner at Downing Street Churchill is said to have sat on his bed and muttered “I don’t believe Anthony can do it”. It remains to be seen whether those who worked with Andy Burnham before and who note his desire to be liked will have identified his principal limitation in the top job.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,574
    And, to show that war is a contested process:

    A Russian attack damaged a production facility of General Cherry, one of Ukraine's largest drone manufacturers, the company's founder Yaroslav Gryshyn said on June 22.

    "This is war. We were prepared for such events," Gryshyn wrote on Facebook. "The enemy will not succeed in stopping us."


    https://kyivindependent.com/russian-attack-damages-production-facility-of-ukraines-fpv-giant/
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,402
    Whining SNP woman sneers at parliament whilst being sworn in
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,402
    Which King will swear allegiance to which King...?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,140
    TOPPING said:

    RIP Alan Greenspan.

    How we used to stufy carefully his "Pool of Available Workers" indicator.
    “I know you think you understand what you thought I said , but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard isn't what I meant.”
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 29,005
    edited 1:55PM

    Which King will swear allegiance to which King...?

    Only one has been elected, but they're both inferior to the Egyptian King.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,472

    HYUFD said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Burnham's train from Manchester to London delayed"

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckger03mrl0t

    Burnham is travelling first class apparently like a good socialist
    Dennis Skinner never did.

    Jezza sits on the floor so other people can have his seat

    Burnham is a class traitor headlines for weeks now as Billionaire newspaper owners shit themselves they may have to pay some tax
    I'd imagine this is going to be a security nightmare.

    Departing PM and almost certain successor who wants to travel by bus and 2nd Class Train.

    Go figure
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