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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,668

    Elon Musk

    @elonmusk
    ·
    1h
    In the future, a trillion times a trillion dollars will be spent on making antimatter to travel to other star systems

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2068041714653179981

    ===

    Yes Elon, it's called inflation.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,132
    edited 8:44PM
    O/T

    Those profligate Lib Dems and Greens took over from the Tories in 2024 and look how finances have fared:

    https://www.dorsetcouncil.gov.uk/news/dorset-council-delivers-first-ever-underspend-as-finances-improve
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,424

    kle4 said:

    A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu—NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/us/flu-outbreak-air-force-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rFA.LASy.Em3OYzAscBzB&smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Why do we need to relearn the lesson that vaccines are a good thing?
    Because some people are absolute [redacted].

    One of my father's colleague said recently he mentioned vaccinating a child and their parent threatened them with violence, this isn't an uncommon experience in the last few years.
    But it did mean Andrew Wakefield got to shag Elle Macpherson, so there’s that.
    It's worse than that.

    We've got a new generation, radicalised by social media, who are anti-vaxx, we'll see the damage in the UK in the next few years as herd immunity is wiped out.
    And plenty of them are in Reform.
    There’s a lot of blame to go around. Every time a celeb or journalist made light of not understanding science it was a step on the road. Every time concerned middle class parents started asking questions, just in case, it was another step on the road. But truly Andrew Wakefield is the biggest source of concern. A malign actor if ever there was one.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,132

    Every time I check the Met office forecast for my bit of midlands the likely weather midweek to Friday gets hotter.

    The French Cauldron is coming.

    Brace.

    My bit of wilts is showing 30 deg C. Think I’ll cope.
    Wilts by name, wilts by nature?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,976

    Harriet Harman says it's time for another white man to lead Labour.

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2068037517904142485

    'Andy Burnham is going to become prime minister.'

    May I. put it on record that I don't give a shit what Harperson says.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,424

    Every time I check the Met office forecast for my bit of midlands the likely weather midweek to Friday gets hotter.

    The French Cauldron is coming.

    Brace.

    My bit of wilts is showing 30 deg C. Think I’ll cope.
    Wilts by name, wilts by nature?
    I will need to keep an eye on the younger plants, for sure.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,638

    In my Not Entirely Humble Opinion: If the US does well in the World Cup, it will be a set back for the Loser.

    First, because he won't be able to attend any of the matches, because the boos would be so loud.

    Second, because the team is "diverse". In this sport, as well as others, those choosing the players almost always choose players for their athletic skills, rather than the color of their skins.

    Third, because some of those players, I am nearly certain, are immigrants, or the children of immigrants.

    Fourth, your best player, Folarin Balogun, has birthright citizenship because his mother was stopped from flying back to London.
  • MaffewMaffew Posts: 238
    Nigelb said:

    A famous Belgian.

    Belgium lost a physics giant.

    RIP Francois Englert.

    https://x.com/ThomasVanRiet2/status/2067995408249344117

    Fellow Nobel Laureate with Peter Higgs of eponymous boson fame.

    You can currently buy Peter Higgs' old flat in Edinburgh for a relative steal (in terms of a big flat in the New Town). https://www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/167270969#/?channel=RES_BUY
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 920


    Elon Musk

    @elonmusk
    ·
    1h
    In the future, a trillion times a trillion dollars will be spent on making antimatter to travel to other star systems

    https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2068041714653179981

    ===

    Yes Elon, it's called inflation.

    Cosmic inflation?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,668

    Harriet Harman says it's time for another white man to lead Labour.

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2068037517904142485

    'Andy Burnham is going to become prime minister.'

    May I. put it on record that I don't give a shit what Harperson says.
    Is it the shortest come back in history? Has she even had one meeting in new role, the name and details of which escape me and the rest of the country?

  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,950

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    mwadams said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Starmer wasn't a Ming Vase, he was an Empty Vase.

    And this shows just how pointless such a strategy is in politics.

    A lesson for the ages.

    The Ming vase strategy was an imperative so as not to scare the horses. Being a shite PM was not a great second step.
    Yep. His problem was not MV. Everybody does MV when an election is in the bag bar screw ups. It's the political equivalent of closing down the game 3/0 up with 10 mins left. That was not the SKS problem. The SKS problem was an inability (and quite a special one) to connect with the public. That's why he's going and that's why Burnham is taking over. He has shown that he can. Mayor votes plus polling and now this clinching final step, thumping the populist right in a by-election.
    The ghost of the Sheffield Rally looms large. Yeah, woow, yeah!
    But in a Lancs accent. Totally different.
    I would argue that the big problem was that they had absolutely no idea what to do once in Government. They had wasted 15 years in opposition in-fighting and complaining. They couldn't do Blair's trick of just carrying on with a competent Tory administration's policies (there wasn't one). The global conditions remained unfavourable for coasting.

    So what changes when Andy Burnham takes the helm? How do they magic up a decade of intellectual effort and policy development in, say, 6 weeks?

    On the other hand, the other guys clown shoes are bigger, so they have that electoral asset - which is all they seem to care about. Government is just an inconvenient distraction from campaigning.
    That's fair criticism about lack of a plan but you are overegging it bigtime. He took over as LOTO in 2020 and until Johnson imploded (2022) and then Truss trashed the Tory brand beyond redemption the realistic goal was rebuilding the party not 'preparing for government'. He had less than 2 years for that.

    His remarkable inability to connect with the public is why he has become in short order the most unpopular PM in living memory. That's the main reason he's having to be replaced. It's not the only reason but it's by a distance the main one.
    His poor reaction to Southport, where he was like a rabbit in the headlights rather than a father of the nation, turned the public against him. He never recovered.
    I don't think it was any one episode.
    It just picked up speed from there, unpopular policy decisions like cutting your old mum's winter fuel allowance and his oddly poor communication skills. For a former barrister, he's not great at responses which aren't very scripted.

    'Friends' are always quoted as saying how very witty he is, and great company, but it doesn't come over that way to the public. Reminds me a bit of Gordon Brown in that respect.
    Ironically he is 2 things people often say they want. He's not like normal politicians and he's authentic. He's a serious white collar professional, uncomfortable with emoting and shmaltz, and doesn't pretend otherwise. PM requires much more in these difficult times.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,024


    How in the name of god did Australia beat Turkey, they are rubbish.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,424
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    mwadams said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Starmer wasn't a Ming Vase, he was an Empty Vase.

    And this shows just how pointless such a strategy is in politics.

    A lesson for the ages.

    The Ming vase strategy was an imperative so as not to scare the horses. Being a shite PM was not a great second step.
    Yep. His problem was not MV. Everybody does MV when an election is in the bag bar screw ups. It's the political equivalent of closing down the game 3/0 up with 10 mins left. That was not the SKS problem. The SKS problem was an inability (and quite a special one) to connect with the public. That's why he's going and that's why Burnham is taking over. He has shown that he can. Mayor votes plus polling and now this clinching final step, thumping the populist right in a by-election.
    The ghost of the Sheffield Rally looms large. Yeah, woow, yeah!
    But in a Lancs accent. Totally different.
    I would argue that the big problem was that they had absolutely no idea what to do once in Government. They had wasted 15 years in opposition in-fighting and complaining. They couldn't do Blair's trick of just carrying on with a competent Tory administration's policies (there wasn't one). The global conditions remained unfavourable for coasting.

    So what changes when Andy Burnham takes the helm? How do they magic up a decade of intellectual effort and policy development in, say, 6 weeks?

    On the other hand, the other guys clown shoes are bigger, so they have that electoral asset - which is all they seem to care about. Government is just an inconvenient distraction from campaigning.
    That's fair criticism about lack of a plan but you are overegging it bigtime. He took over as LOTO in 2020 and until Johnson imploded (2022) and then Truss trashed the Tory brand beyond redemption the realistic goal was rebuilding the party not 'preparing for government'. He had less than 2 years for that.

    His remarkable inability to connect with the public is why he has become in short order the most unpopular PM in living memory. That's the main reason he's having to be replaced. It's not the only reason but it's by a distance the main one.
    His poor reaction to Southport, where he was like a rabbit in the headlights rather than a father of the nation, turned the public against him. He never recovered.
    I don't think it was any one episode.
    It just picked up speed from there, unpopular policy decisions like cutting your old mum's winter fuel allowance and his oddly poor communication skills. For a former barrister, he's not great at responses which aren't very scripted.

    'Friends' are always quoted as saying how very witty he is, and great company, but it doesn't come over that way to the public. Reminds me a bit of Gordon Brown in that respect.
    Ironically he is 2 things people often say they want. He's not like normal politicians and he's authentic. He's a serious white collar professional, uncomfortable with emoting and shmaltz, and doesn't pretend otherwise. PM requires much more in these difficult times.
    I find his speaking style off putting. Did he argue in court like that?? (No idea if he did argue in court).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,668

    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    Where we are tonight:

    * Sir Keir Starmer is weighing up his future after cabinet ministers called on him to quit and make way for Andy Burnham as Britain’s next prime minister

    * While publicly he insists he will fight on, privately his position is said to be ‘nuanced’. He will make up his mind about whether to fight on this weekend after speaking to his wife and family

    * Starmer is considering his position after a series of what one aide described as “brutal” conversations with cabinet ministers. Heidi Alexander was said to have been “direct” with Starmer about his unpopularity

    * Yvette Cooper, the foreign secretary, is also said to have pressed Starmer to set out a timeline for his departure during a one-to-one meeting. A spokeswoman for Cooper declined to comment

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2068065592561557542
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,668
    This one is laugh out loud:


    * Starmer is said to have told cabinet ministers that he had polling of Labour members that suggested he could win a leadership election against Burnham and said the mayor had not set out a policy platform on which to be judged

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2068065592561557542
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,951
    Some stats to liven up the commute @viewcode

    Giving you a clearer picture of driving test waiting times:

    'What the new data includes

    The additional pieces of data we are now reporting are:

    the average waiting time between booking and taking a driving test (median)
    the number of tests provided in a month through driving examiner overtime
    the total number of appointments that we’ve made available over the next 24 weeks of the booking window (as measured at the end of the month)
    the total number of tests that have already been booked in that booking window
    the total number of tests that are still available to book in the booking window
    the percentage of tests that are still available to book in the booking window

    All of this is available at national, regional and driving test centre level. It will be updated on the second Wednesday of each month with the previous month’s data.'

    https://despatch.blog.gov.uk/2026/06/18/giving-you-a-clearer-picture-of-driving-test-waiting-times/
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,930

    This one is laugh out loud:


    * Starmer is said to have told cabinet ministers that he had polling of Labour members that suggested he could win a leadership election against Burnham and said the mayor had not set out a policy platform on which to be judged

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2068065592561557542

    That poll is legit but the questions are a bit hypothetical.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,132
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN's Take (who cares, but here is is, as I rarely comment these days?)

    Starmer is done! Burnham will be PM before summer recess starts (just like Boris in 2019 ??? )

    Aberdeen has proved Kemi's Conservatives are still alive. It might even have taken them off "life support" and placed them in "high dependency" - Like cockroaches in a nuclear winter... Somehow, the Tories ALWAYS survive and have since maybe... 1680 ???

    Yet again Nigel Farage has proved that on the day... When it REALLY counts, he just isn't quite up to it!

    Rupert who???

    Looking to the future:

    Burnham will get a honeymoon and I think its quite likely he calls an election for 6th May 2027, which he will win. Labours majority will be reduced from the weird Labour landslide of 2024 and may be in line with Boris' 80 seat 2019 majority. Labour remain in power until 2032.

    Unexpectedly, Kemi's Conservatives will GAIN seats from the 2024 disaster (maybe ending up with +220)

    Stupid old bores Nigel and Rupert will knock chunks out of each other between downing their next magnums of wine... Hopefully after Election 2027 when they both do surprisingly little, these daft old fools just fuck off and die (or lets say "retire" for those easily offended 😂 )

    One other take:

    Sadly, as I like her, Kemi may end up a Kinnock figure. Someone who somehow managed to keep the Tories alive through all of the bad times, but who never ends up being PM. But, I'm increasingly confident that when Lab is eventually turfed out of office, it will be the Conservatives that take over....

    Ob La Di Ob La Da (life goes on)

    Thanks for reading. See you next time.


    Don't leave it so long Gin!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,074
    edited 8:59PM

    kle4 said:

    A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu—NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/us/flu-outbreak-air-force-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rFA.LASy.Em3OYzAscBzB&smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Why do we need to relearn the lesson that vaccines are a good thing?
    Because some people are absolute [redacted].

    One of my father's colleague said recently he mentioned vaccinating a child and their parent threatened them with violence, this isn't an uncommon experience in the last few years.
    But it did mean Andrew Wakefield got to shag Elle Macpherson, so there’s that.
    It's worse than that.

    We've got a new generation, radicalised by social media, who are anti-vaxx, we'll see the damage in the UK in the next few years as herd immunity is wiped out.
    And plenty of them are in Reform.
    There’s a lot of blame to go around. Every time a celeb or journalist made light of not understanding science it was a step on the road. Every time concerned middle class parents started asking questions, just in case, it was another step on the road. But truly Andrew Wakefield is the biggest source of concern. A malign actor if ever there was one.
    Nah, there have been anti-vaxxers ever since Jenner invented the technique in Georgian times. When I was at Med School parents were refusing whooping cough vaccine, and I remember a small epidemic of it in South London. Wakefield was simply a waypoint.

    Anti-vaxxing seems to now be part of the package of right wing politics, alongside the "Great Replacement Theory", "Cultural Marxism" and anti-abortion. It comes as a bundle via MAGA dominated Social Media.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,132

    Harriet Harman says it's time for another white man to lead Labour.

    https://x.com/SkyNews/status/2068037517904142485

    'Andy Burnham is going to become prime minister.'

    May I. put it on record that I don't give a shit what Harperson says.
    A question which cries out for the answer: No!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,424
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu—NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/us/flu-outbreak-air-force-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rFA.LASy.Em3OYzAscBzB&smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Why do we need to relearn the lesson that vaccines are a good thing?
    Because some people are absolute [redacted].

    One of my father's colleague said recently he mentioned vaccinating a child and their parent threatened them with violence, this isn't an uncommon experience in the last few years.
    But it did mean Andrew Wakefield got to shag Elle Macpherson, so there’s that.
    It's worse than that.

    We've got a new generation, radicalised by social media, who are anti-vaxx, we'll see the damage in the UK in the next few years as herd immunity is wiped out.
    And plenty of them are in Reform.
    There’s a lot of blame to go around. Every time a celeb or journalist made light of not understanding science it was a step on the road. Every time concerned middle class parents started asking questions, just in case, it was another step on the road. But truly Andrew Wakefield is the biggest source of concern. A malign actor if ever there was one.
    Nah, there have been anti-vaxxers ever since Jenner invented the technique in Georgian times. When I was at Med School parents were refusing whooping cough vaccine, and I remember a small epidemic of it in South London. Wakefield was simply a waypoint.

    Anti-vaxxing seems to now be part of the package of right wing politics, alongside the "Great Replacement Theory", "Cultural Marxism" and anti-abortion. It comes as a bundle via MAGA dominated Social Media.
    While I accept that anti vax didn’t start with Wakefield his influence has been huge. Anyone complaining about mercury in vaccines can be traced back to Wakefield. The man who wanted to make millions from single shots when he got MMR banned.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,074
    boulay said:



    How in the name of god did Australia beat Turkey, they are rubbish.

    Yes very poor finishing, but they have been better this half.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,762
    edited 9:06PM
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu—NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/us/flu-outbreak-air-force-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rFA.LASy.Em3OYzAscBzB&smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Why do we need to relearn the lesson that vaccines are a good thing?
    Because some people are absolute [redacted].

    One of my father's colleague said recently he mentioned vaccinating a child and their parent threatened them with violence, this isn't an uncommon experience in the last few years.
    But it did mean Andrew Wakefield got to shag Elle Macpherson, so there’s that.
    It's worse than that.

    We've got a new generation, radicalised by social media, who are anti-vaxx, we'll see the damage in the UK in the next few years as herd immunity is wiped out.
    And plenty of them are in Reform.
    There’s a lot of blame to go around. Every time a celeb or journalist made light of not understanding science it was a step on the road. Every time concerned middle class parents started asking questions, just in case, it was another step on the road. But truly Andrew Wakefield is the biggest source of concern. A malign actor if ever there was one.
    Nah, there have been anti-vaxxers ever since Jenner invented the technique in Georgian times. When I was at Med School parents were refusing whooping cough vaccine, and I remember a small epidemic of it in South London. Wakefield was simply a waypoint.

    Anti-vaxxing seems to now be part of the package of right wing politics, alongside the "Great Replacement Theory", "Cultural Marxism" and anti-abortion. It comes as a bundle via MAGA dominated Social Media.
    Eventually it'll swing back around to being a lefty-high status position.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,132

    kle4 said:

    A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu—NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/us/flu-outbreak-air-force-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rFA.LASy.Em3OYzAscBzB&smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Why do we need to relearn the lesson that vaccines are a good thing?
    Because some people are absolute [redacted].

    One of my father's colleague said recently he mentioned vaccinating a child and their parent threatened them with violence, this isn't an uncommon experience in the last few years.
    But it did mean Andrew Wakefield got to shag Elle Macpherson, so there’s that.
    It's worse than that.

    We've got a new generation, radicalised by social media, who are anti-vaxx, we'll see the damage in the UK in the next few years as herd immunity is wiped out.
    It's not just a new generation. I saw an 89 yo woman at CAB this week who confided to me that her grandson had long-Covid and that Covid was a hoax. She'd read it in a 'really interesting' free paper called The Light apparently, so it must be true.

    I couldn't resist asking her how he got long-Covid if Covid was a hoax. (I'll probably get struck off.)
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,132
    edited 9:07PM
    Foss said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu—NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/us/flu-outbreak-air-force-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rFA.LASy.Em3OYzAscBzB&smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Why do we need to relearn the lesson that vaccines are a good thing?
    Because some people are absolute [redacted].

    One of my father's colleague said recently he mentioned vaccinating a child and their parent threatened them with violence, this isn't an uncommon experience in the last few years.
    But it did mean Andrew Wakefield got to shag Elle Macpherson, so there’s that.
    It's worse than that.

    We've got a new generation, radicalised by social media, who are anti-vaxx, we'll see the damage in the UK in the next few years as herd immunity is wiped out.
    And plenty of them are in Reform.
    There’s a lot of blame to go around. Every time a celeb or journalist made light of not understanding science it was a step on the road. Every time concerned middle class parents started asking questions, just in case, it was another step on the road. But truly Andrew Wakefield is the biggest source of concern. A malign actor if ever there was one.
    Nah, there have been anti-vaxxers ever since Jenner invented the technique in Georgian times. When I was at Med School parents were refusing whooping cough vaccine, and I remember a small epidemic of it in South London. Wakefield was simply a waypoint.

    Anti-vaxxing seems to now be part of the package of right wing politics, alongside the "Great Replacement Theory", "Cultural Marxism" and anti-abortion. It comes as a bundle via MAGA dominated Social Media.
    Eventually it'll swing back around to being a lefty-high status position.
    It can't 'swing back' to what it's never been.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,074

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu—NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/us/flu-outbreak-air-force-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rFA.LASy.Em3OYzAscBzB&smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Why do we need to relearn the lesson that vaccines are a good thing?
    Because some people are absolute [redacted].

    One of my father's colleague said recently he mentioned vaccinating a child and their parent threatened them with violence, this isn't an uncommon experience in the last few years.
    But it did mean Andrew Wakefield got to shag Elle Macpherson, so there’s that.
    It's worse than that.

    We've got a new generation, radicalised by social media, who are anti-vaxx, we'll see the damage in the UK in the next few years as herd immunity is wiped out.
    And plenty of them are in Reform.
    There’s a lot of blame to go around. Every time a celeb or journalist made light of not understanding science it was a step on the road. Every time concerned middle class parents started asking questions, just in case, it was another step on the road. But truly Andrew Wakefield is the biggest source of concern. A malign actor if ever there was one.
    Nah, there have been anti-vaxxers ever since Jenner invented the technique in Georgian times. When I was at Med School parents were refusing whooping cough vaccine, and I remember a small epidemic of it in South London. Wakefield was simply a waypoint.

    Anti-vaxxing seems to now be part of the package of right wing politics, alongside the "Great Replacement Theory", "Cultural Marxism" and anti-abortion. It comes as a bundle via MAGA dominated Social Media.
    While I accept that anti vax didn’t start with Wakefield his influence has been huge. Anyone complaining about mercury in vaccines can be traced back to Wakefield. The man who wanted to make millions from single shots when he got MMR banned.
    Interesting article here on the anti-vaxx Whooping cough scare and its consequences in the Seventies and Eighties. Wakefield merely repeated it.

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12922137/

    I think the mercury issue was a different anti-vaxx scare to Wakefield too.

  • In completely non-surprising news, Streeting rumoured to abandon his leadership campaign
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,006


    Steven Swinford
    @Steven_Swinford
    Where we are tonight:

    * Sir Keir Starmer is weighing up his future after cabinet ministers called on him to quit and make way for Andy Burnham as Britain’s next prime minister

    * While publicly he insists he will fight on, privately his position is said to be ‘nuanced’. He will make up his mind about whether to fight on this weekend after speaking to his wife and family

    * Starmer is considering his position after a series of what one aide described as “brutal” conversations with cabinet ministers. Heidi Alexander was said to have been “direct” with Starmer about his unpopularity

    * Yvette Cooper, the foreign secretary, is also said to have pressed Starmer to set out a timeline for his departure during a one-to-one meeting. A spokeswoman for Cooper declined to comment

    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2068065592561557542

    He won't fight. He's just making it clear how unhappy he is about being ousted so any comments about supporting Burnham later will be clear lies.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,006
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu—NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/us/flu-outbreak-air-force-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rFA.LASy.Em3OYzAscBzB&smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Why do we need to relearn the lesson that vaccines are a good thing?
    Because some people are absolute [redacted].

    One of my father's colleague said recently he mentioned vaccinating a child and their parent threatened them with violence, this isn't an uncommon experience in the last few years.
    But it did mean Andrew Wakefield got to shag Elle Macpherson, so there’s that.
    It's worse than that.

    We've got a new generation, radicalised by social media, who are anti-vaxx, we'll see the damage in the UK in the next few years as herd immunity is wiped out.
    And plenty of them are in Reform.
    There’s a lot of blame to go around. Every time a celeb or journalist made light of not understanding science it was a step on the road. Every time concerned middle class parents started asking questions, just in case, it was another step on the road. But truly Andrew Wakefield is the biggest source of concern. A malign actor if ever there was one.
    Nah, there have been anti-vaxxers ever since Jenner invented the technique in Georgian times. When I was at Med School parents were refusing whooping cough vaccine, and I remember a small epidemic of it in South London. Wakefield was simply a waypoint.

    Anti-vaxxing seems to now be part of the package of right wing politics, alongside the "Great Replacement Theory", "Cultural Marxism" and anti-abortion. It comes as a bundle via MAGA dominated Social Media.
    Yes, used to be hipster lefty cliche, now firmly part of default right wingers (in the US).

    Classic everythingism as seen on left and right now, in that positions that don't inevitably have to go together are treated as if you must agree with all of them.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,074

    Foss said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu—NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/us/flu-outbreak-air-force-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rFA.LASy.Em3OYzAscBzB&smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Why do we need to relearn the lesson that vaccines are a good thing?
    Because some people are absolute [redacted].

    One of my father's colleague said recently he mentioned vaccinating a child and their parent threatened them with violence, this isn't an uncommon experience in the last few years.
    But it did mean Andrew Wakefield got to shag Elle Macpherson, so there’s that.
    It's worse than that.

    We've got a new generation, radicalised by social media, who are anti-vaxx, we'll see the damage in the UK in the next few years as herd immunity is wiped out.
    And plenty of them are in Reform.
    There’s a lot of blame to go around. Every time a celeb or journalist made light of not understanding science it was a step on the road. Every time concerned middle class parents started asking questions, just in case, it was another step on the road. But truly Andrew Wakefield is the biggest source of concern. A malign actor if ever there was one.
    Nah, there have been anti-vaxxers ever since Jenner invented the technique in Georgian times. When I was at Med School parents were refusing whooping cough vaccine, and I remember a small epidemic of it in South London. Wakefield was simply a waypoint.

    Anti-vaxxing seems to now be part of the package of right wing politics, alongside the "Great Replacement Theory", "Cultural Marxism" and anti-abortion. It comes as a bundle via MAGA dominated Social Media.
    Eventually it'll swing back around to being a lefty-high status position.
    It can't 'swing back' to what it's never been.
    No there has always been a hippie type antivaxxism alongside the far right one. Often associated with other types of "alternative" medicine like herbalism and "natural" childbirth.

    This is a sad story from Australia of a needless death as a result:

    https://thoughtcatalog.com/jeremy-london/2026/06/stacey-hatfield-a-30-year-old-wellness-influencer-died-hours-after-giving-birth-at-home-with-no-doctor-or-midwife-present/


  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,394

    O/T

    Those profligate Lib Dems and Greens took over from the Tories in 2024 and look how finances have fared:

    https://www.dorsetcouncil.gov.uk/news/dorset-council-delivers-first-ever-underspend-as-finances-improve

    Great to hear such an unbiased account of the council's efforts from.... the council.
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 178
    There is something oddly sad about the fact that increasingly the core of the criticism of Starmer is that he dithers and can't make decisions and now when he has to decide if he fights or stands down...

    He dithers and can't make a decision!

    Peter.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,394
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Labour think Andy Burnham is 'the holy grail'. They're wrong | Andrew Neil"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTMrHdZ7wuU

    We don't. We think he's the best option to turn things around. The holy grail wasn't really perceived as the best chance to turn things around. Least that wasn't how it was presented in the accounts I've read.
    Of course Brillo has a track record of making all the right calls. Austerity, Brexit, Boris Johnson and Liz Truss's budget.
    Ought to have gracefully moved into 'contemplation only' mode by now. Many of the world's problems are caused by self-regarding old men not doing that.
    No comment.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,914
    "Fourth, your best player, Folarin Balogun, has birthright citizenship because his mother was stopped from flying back to London."

    That Abe Lincoln was one far-sighted man! Another bonus from the 13th amendment!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    (Which, to be frank, was passed in the House, and ratified by a sufficient majority of states by means not entirely admirable. The majority in the Senate did not require special help.

    Here is one detail many of you might like: Nevada was admitted to the union after its state consitutition was telegraphed to Washington, D. C.)
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,034
    Bedford train crash looks pretty nasty, one dead at least, 11 injured.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy8dy2pr8ymt

    Looks like a train from Corby, which was switching tracks, ploughed into the back of a train from Nottingham which was running several minutes late.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,566
    edited 9:18PM

    Starmer considers resigning. End of June bet still on

    Theoretically possible but not going to happen.

    Burnham will let Starmer hit his second anniversary in July. He's not in a hurry and if it saves face and lets Starmer go with a bit of dignity, why not agree to that?
    When does Burnham stop being Mayor? Is that job now vacant or is he in post until replaced in a Mayoral by-election, presumably also to be held in July?
    I believe he stopped being Mayor the instant he was elected an MP. By law, AIUI, you cannot be an MP and a mayor who has a police & crime commissioner role. In being elected an MP, he thus instantly becomes disqualified for the mayor role.
    Doesn’t he have to take the oath etc before he legally becomes an MP? Or thinking again, that must be to sit in parliament, since the SF lot are MPs without the oath.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,132
    Anyone care to guess how many of the PB Competition entrants had Andy Burnham down to be PM by the end of the year?
  • GaussianGaussian Posts: 920

    kle4 said:

    A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu—NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/us/flu-outbreak-air-force-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rFA.LASy.Em3OYzAscBzB&smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Why do we need to relearn the lesson that vaccines are a good thing?
    Because some people are absolute [redacted].

    One of my father's colleague said recently he mentioned vaccinating a child and their parent threatened them with violence, this isn't an uncommon experience in the last few years.
    But it did mean Andrew Wakefield got to shag Elle Macpherson, so there’s that.
    It's worse than that.

    We've got a new generation, radicalised by social media, who are anti-vaxx, we'll see the damage in the UK in the next few years as herd immunity is wiped out.
    It's not just a new generation. I saw an 89 yo woman at CAB this week who confided to me that her grandson had long-Covid and that Covid was a hoax. She'd read it in a 'really interesting' free paper called The Light apparently, so it must be true.

    I couldn't resist asking her how he got long-Covid if Covid was a hoax. (I'll probably get struck off.)
    What was her reply?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,394
    boulay said:

    Manchester online news site is reporting that Restore's Mayor candidate will be father of Scarlett West, who was a victim of grooming gangs across Greater Manchester.

    “I will be there to protect the people of Manchester as much as if they were my own flesh and blood.”

    Oh.

    Gross comment.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,006

    "Fourth, your best player, Folarin Balogun, has birthright citizenship because his mother was stopped from flying back to London."

    That Abe Lincoln was one far-sighted man! Another bonus from the 13th amendment!
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

    (Which, to be frank, was passed in the House, and ratified by a sufficient majority of states by means not entirely admirable. The majority in the Senate did not require special help.

    Here is one detail many of you might like: Nevada was admitted to the union after its state consitutition was telegraphed to Washington, D. C.)

    I love that. Hopefully one of the shorter ones.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,132

    O/T

    Those profligate Lib Dems and Greens took over from the Tories in 2024 and look how finances have fared:

    https://www.dorsetcouncil.gov.uk/news/dorset-council-delivers-first-ever-underspend-as-finances-improve

    Great to hear such an unbiased account of the council's efforts from.... the council.
    Numbers don't lie @Lucky
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,493

    O/T

    Those profligate Lib Dems and Greens took over from the Tories in 2024 and look how finances have fared:

    https://www.dorsetcouncil.gov.uk/news/dorset-council-delivers-first-ever-underspend-as-finances-improve

    Great to hear such an unbiased account of the council's efforts from.... the council.
    Either it’s the first ever underspend or it isn’t. If you want to say it’s a lie then back up that assertion.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,566
    boulay said:



    How in the name of god did Australia beat Turkey, they are rubbish.

    Their goalie saved everything in that match, but in this one he can’t be expected to defend against his own team
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,762

    Foss said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu—NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/us/flu-outbreak-air-force-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rFA.LASy.Em3OYzAscBzB&smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Why do we need to relearn the lesson that vaccines are a good thing?
    Because some people are absolute [redacted].

    One of my father's colleague said recently he mentioned vaccinating a child and their parent threatened them with violence, this isn't an uncommon experience in the last few years.
    But it did mean Andrew Wakefield got to shag Elle Macpherson, so there’s that.
    It's worse than that.

    We've got a new generation, radicalised by social media, who are anti-vaxx, we'll see the damage in the UK in the next few years as herd immunity is wiped out.
    And plenty of them are in Reform.
    There’s a lot of blame to go around. Every time a celeb or journalist made light of not understanding science it was a step on the road. Every time concerned middle class parents started asking questions, just in case, it was another step on the road. But truly Andrew Wakefield is the biggest source of concern. A malign actor if ever there was one.
    Nah, there have been anti-vaxxers ever since Jenner invented the technique in Georgian times. When I was at Med School parents were refusing whooping cough vaccine, and I remember a small epidemic of it in South London. Wakefield was simply a waypoint.

    Anti-vaxxing seems to now be part of the package of right wing politics, alongside the "Great Replacement Theory", "Cultural Marxism" and anti-abortion. It comes as a bundle via MAGA dominated Social Media.
    Eventually it'll swing back around to being a lefty-high status position.
    It can't 'swing back' to what it's never been.
    Here's Jill Stein for a start: Jill Stein on vaccines: People have ‘real questions’
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,132
    edited 9:21PM
    Gaussian said:

    kle4 said:

    A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu—NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/us/flu-outbreak-air-force-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rFA.LASy.Em3OYzAscBzB&smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Why do we need to relearn the lesson that vaccines are a good thing?
    Because some people are absolute [redacted].

    One of my father's colleague said recently he mentioned vaccinating a child and their parent threatened them with violence, this isn't an uncommon experience in the last few years.
    But it did mean Andrew Wakefield got to shag Elle Macpherson, so there’s that.
    It's worse than that.

    We've got a new generation, radicalised by social media, who are anti-vaxx, we'll see the damage in the UK in the next few years as herd immunity is wiped out.
    It's not just a new generation. I saw an 89 yo woman at CAB this week who confided to me that her grandson had long-Covid and that Covid was a hoax. She'd read it in a 'really interesting' free paper called The Light apparently, so it must be true.

    I couldn't resist asking her how he got long-Covid if Covid was a hoax. (I'll probably get struck off.)
    What was her reply?
    She hadn't considered that. 'Maybe it was the vaccine.'
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,006
    edited 9:24PM
    IanB2 said:

    Starmer considers resigning. End of June bet still on

    Theoretically possible but not going to happen.

    Burnham will let Starmer hit his second anniversary in July. He's not in a hurry and if it saves face and lets Starmer go with a bit of dignity, why not agree to that?
    When does Burnham stop being Mayor? Is that job now vacant or is he in post until replaced in a Mayoral by-election, presumably also to be held in July?
    I believe he stopped being Mayor the instant he was elected an MP. By law, AIUI, you cannot be an MP and a mayor who has a police & crime commissioner role. In being elected an MP, he thus instantly becomes disqualified for the mayor role.
    Doesn’t he have to take the oath etc before he legally becomes an MP? Or thinking again, that must be to sit in parliament, since the SF lot are MPs without the oath.
    Sounds about right. Like how councillors do become councillors 4 days after the election, but cannot take any actions as a councillor until and other than making a declaration of acceptance of office.

    MPs it seems have much greater flexibility, and no time limit to swear by.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,161

    Bedford train crash looks pretty nasty, one dead at least, 11 injured.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy8dy2pr8ymt

    Looks like a train from Corby, which was switching tracks, ploughed into the back of a train from Nottingham which was running several minutes late.

    Updated numbers from East of England Ambulance are 89 injured, 11 'very serious'. Plus one fatality. Awful numbers.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,024

    boulay said:

    Manchester online news site is reporting that Restore's Mayor candidate will be father of Scarlett West, who was a victim of grooming gangs across Greater Manchester.

    “I will be there to protect the people of Manchester as much as if they were my own flesh and blood.”

    Oh.

    Gross comment.
    Why? He’s going to play on Restore’s anti-immigration angle. Where the fuck was he when his daughter was lost to these shitbags? So many problems in the UK are down to terrible parenting and people need to look at themselves half the time.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,394
    DougSeal said:

    O/T

    Those profligate Lib Dems and Greens took over from the Tories in 2024 and look how finances have fared:

    https://www.dorsetcouncil.gov.uk/news/dorset-council-delivers-first-ever-underspend-as-finances-improve

    Great to hear such an unbiased account of the council's efforts from.... the council.
    Either it’s the first ever underspend or it isn’t. If you want to say it’s a lie then back up that assertion.
    If we were talking about a Tory underspend, we'd literally be naming the pensioners who died in their own piss because of the council cuts that have clearly been made:

    We’ve put proper controls in place, taken tough decisions and focused on living within our means.

    But I'm sure they were nice cuts rather than nasty Tory cuts.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,006

    O/T

    Those profligate Lib Dems and Greens took over from the Tories in 2024 and look how finances have fared:

    https://www.dorsetcouncil.gov.uk/news/dorset-council-delivers-first-ever-underspend-as-finances-improve

    Great to hear such an unbiased account of the council's efforts from.... the council.
    If the numbers are fraudulent, or achieved with serious negative effects, i hope the opposition there is on the case then.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,086

    Anyone care to guess how many of the PB Competition entrants had Andy Burnham down to be PM by the end of the year?

    Isn’t it zero
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,394
    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Manchester online news site is reporting that Restore's Mayor candidate will be father of Scarlett West, who was a victim of grooming gangs across Greater Manchester.

    “I will be there to protect the people of Manchester as much as if they were my own flesh and blood.”

    Oh.

    Gross comment.
    Why? He’s going to play on Restore’s anti-immigration angle. Where the fuck was he when his daughter was lost to these shitbags? So many problems in the UK are down to terrible parenting and people need to look at themselves half the time.
    Perhaps you should try informing yourself about what grooming is and the situation that parents of victims found themselves in.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,668

    Bedford train crash looks pretty nasty, one dead at least, 11 injured.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy8dy2pr8ymt

    Looks like a train from Corby, which was switching tracks, ploughed into the back of a train from Nottingham which was running several minutes late.

    Updated numbers from East of England Ambulance are 89 injured, 11 'very serious'. Plus one fatality. Awful numbers.
    Grim.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,132

    DougSeal said:

    O/T

    Those profligate Lib Dems and Greens took over from the Tories in 2024 and look how finances have fared:

    https://www.dorsetcouncil.gov.uk/news/dorset-council-delivers-first-ever-underspend-as-finances-improve

    Great to hear such an unbiased account of the council's efforts from.... the council.
    Either it’s the first ever underspend or it isn’t. If you want to say it’s a lie then back up that assertion.
    If we were talking about a Tory underspend, we'd literally be naming the pensioners who died in their own piss because of the council cuts that have clearly been made:

    We’ve put proper controls in place, taken tough decisions and focused on living within our means.

    But I'm sure they were nice cuts rather than nasty Tory cuts.
    The gradual realisation that neoliberalism is a load of old bollocks must be hard. We feel your pain.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,914
    edited 9:26PM
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,024

    boulay said:

    boulay said:

    Manchester online news site is reporting that Restore's Mayor candidate will be father of Scarlett West, who was a victim of grooming gangs across Greater Manchester.

    “I will be there to protect the people of Manchester as much as if they were my own flesh and blood.”

    Oh.

    Gross comment.
    Why? He’s going to play on Restore’s anti-immigration angle. Where the fuck was he when his daughter was lost to these shitbags? So many problems in the UK are down to terrible parenting and people need to look at themselves half the time.
    Perhaps you should try informing yourself about what grooming is and the situation that parents of victims found themselves in.
    Thanks but I understand fully what grooming is. If he thinks the problem was immigrants the. He doesn’t understand the problem. They were part of the problem but not the whole problem.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,132
    eek said:

    Anyone care to guess how many of the PB Competition entrants had Andy Burnham down to be PM by the end of the year?

    Isn’t it zero
    It is. At least I'm in good company on this question.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,394

    DougSeal said:

    O/T

    Those profligate Lib Dems and Greens took over from the Tories in 2024 and look how finances have fared:

    https://www.dorsetcouncil.gov.uk/news/dorset-council-delivers-first-ever-underspend-as-finances-improve

    Great to hear such an unbiased account of the council's efforts from.... the council.
    Either it’s the first ever underspend or it isn’t. If you want to say it’s a lie then back up that assertion.
    If we were talking about a Tory underspend, we'd literally be naming the pensioners who died in their own piss because of the council cuts that have clearly been made:

    We’ve put proper controls in place, taken tough decisions and focused on living within our means.

    But I'm sure they were nice cuts rather than nasty Tory cuts.
    The gradual realisation that neoliberalism is a load of old bollocks must be hard. We feel your pain.
    Apparently it's not a load of bollocks, it's jolly nice and sensible - Dorset Council's press release told me.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,086

    Bedford train crash looks pretty nasty, one dead at least, 11 injured.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy8dy2pr8ymt

    Looks like a train from Corby, which was switching tracks, ploughed into the back of a train from Nottingham which was running several minutes late.

    Updated numbers from East of England Ambulance are 89 injured, 11 'very serious'. Plus one fatality. Awful numbers.
    Grim.
    I’ve had confirmation that the driver of the 360 is the person who died
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,493

    DougSeal said:

    O/T

    Those profligate Lib Dems and Greens took over from the Tories in 2024 and look how finances have fared:

    https://www.dorsetcouncil.gov.uk/news/dorset-council-delivers-first-ever-underspend-as-finances-improve

    Great to hear such an unbiased account of the council's efforts from.... the council.
    Either it’s the first ever underspend or it isn’t. If you want to say it’s a lie then back up that assertion.
    If we were talking about a Tory underspend, we'd literally be naming the pensioners who died in their own piss because of the council cuts that have clearly been made:

    We’ve put proper controls in place, taken tough decisions and focused on living within our means.

    But I'm sure they were nice cuts rather than nasty Tory cuts.
    Cry me a fucking river, then stop dissembling and answer my question. Otherwise I’ll conclude that the missive from the council, despite being from your political opponents, was truthful and it was the first underspend.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,161
    eek said:

    Bedford train crash looks pretty nasty, one dead at least, 11 injured.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy8dy2pr8ymt

    Looks like a train from Corby, which was switching tracks, ploughed into the back of a train from Nottingham which was running several minutes late.

    Updated numbers from East of England Ambulance are 89 injured, 11 'very serious'. Plus one fatality. Awful numbers.
    Grim.
    I’ve had confirmation that the driver of the 360 is the person who died
    It didn't look survivable from the static picture of the impact. We forget how risky these types of jobs can be. There's clearly been some horrific failure somewhere for this to happen.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,899

    There is something oddly sad about the fact that increasingly the core of the criticism of Starmer is that he dithers and can't make decisions and now when he has to decide if he fights or stands down...

    He dithers and can't make a decision!

    Peter.

    Hey, come on, that's not fair. He needs to spend the weekend thinking on which cabinet position Burnham's going to turn down.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,521

    O/T

    Those profligate Lib Dems and Greens took over from the Tories in 2024 and look how finances have fared:

    https://www.dorsetcouncil.gov.uk/news/dorset-council-delivers-first-ever-underspend-as-finances-improve

    Great to hear such an unbiased account of the council's efforts from.... the council.
    Numbers don't lie @Lucky
    He uses statistics like a blind man uses a lamppost: for support not illumination
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,668

    eek said:

    Anyone care to guess how many of the PB Competition entrants had Andy Burnham down to be PM by the end of the year?

    Isn’t it zero
    It is. At least I'm in good company on this question.
    My Labour party friend who is deep in the party and the unions told me over beers in April that soon it would be Burnham.

    Far too bloody late for the PB Competition.

    Just so annoying :smile:
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,521
    DougSeal said:

    O/T

    Those profligate Lib Dems and Greens took over from the Tories in 2024 and look how finances have fared:

    https://www.dorsetcouncil.gov.uk/news/dorset-council-delivers-first-ever-underspend-as-finances-improve

    Great to hear such an unbiased account of the council's efforts from.... the council.
    Either it’s the first ever underspend or it isn’t. If you want to say it’s a lie then back up that assertion.
    The underspending was £169,000 on a budget of £417,000,000. That’s 0.04%

    It hardly lives up to the enthusiasm of the headline
  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 13,493

    DougSeal said:

    O/T

    Those profligate Lib Dems and Greens took over from the Tories in 2024 and look how finances have fared:

    https://www.dorsetcouncil.gov.uk/news/dorset-council-delivers-first-ever-underspend-as-finances-improve

    Great to hear such an unbiased account of the council's efforts from.... the council.
    Either it’s the first ever underspend or it isn’t. If you want to say it’s a lie then back up that assertion.
    The underspending was £169,000 on a budget of £417,000,000. That’s 0.04%

    It hardly lives up to the enthusiasm of the headline
    A hyperbolic headline? Say it ain’t so!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,966

    Some stats to liven up the commute @viewcode

    Giving you a clearer picture of driving test waiting times:

    'What the new data includes

    The additional pieces of data we are now reporting are:

    the average waiting time between booking and taking a driving test (median)
    the number of tests provided in a month through driving examiner overtime
    the total number of appointments that we’ve made available over the next 24 weeks of the booking window (as measured at the end of the month)
    the total number of tests that have already been booked in that booking window
    the total number of tests that are still available to book in the booking window
    the percentage of tests that are still available to book in the booking window

    All of this is available at national, regional and driving test centre level. It will be updated on the second Wednesday of each month with the previous month’s data.'

    https://despatch.blog.gov.uk/2026/06/18/giving-you-a-clearer-picture-of-driving-test-waiting-times/

    That's actually quite kind of you, but I am working from home at the moment
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,886
    edited 9:51PM
    The difference this time is that Scotland won their first group game so are not playing 'catch up' as such. However as I alluded to earlier 4 points should be enough and Scotland's best chance of getting another point is tonight notwithstanding Brazil are not the team of old.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,024

    The difference this time is that Scotland won their first group game so are not playing 'catch up' as such. However as I alluded to earlier 4 points should be enough and Scotland's best chance of getting another point is tonight notwithstanding Brazil are not the team of old.

    I think Scotland will lose their next two matches but will go through as a best third place finisher. Morocco are v good and Brazil are ok.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,886
    boulay said:

    The difference this time is that Scotland won their first group game so are not playing 'catch up' as such. However as I alluded to earlier 4 points should be enough and Scotland's best chance of getting another point is tonight notwithstanding Brazil are not the team of old.

    I think Scotland will lose their next two matches but will go through as a best third place finisher. Morocco are v good and Brazil are ok.
    3 points in third place may be enough and some teams will get through on that. However in this situation Scotland's goal difference would be -1 at best and maybe somewhat worse than that.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,668
    edited 9:59PM
    New Statesman reporting that Geraldine Coggins will be Green candidate for Manch mayor.

    Leader of Greens on Trafford council.

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,394
    DougSeal said:

    DougSeal said:

    O/T

    Those profligate Lib Dems and Greens took over from the Tories in 2024 and look how finances have fared:

    https://www.dorsetcouncil.gov.uk/news/dorset-council-delivers-first-ever-underspend-as-finances-improve

    Great to hear such an unbiased account of the council's efforts from.... the council.
    Either it’s the first ever underspend or it isn’t. If you want to say it’s a lie then back up that assertion.
    If we were talking about a Tory underspend, we'd literally be naming the pensioners who died in their own piss because of the council cuts that have clearly been made:

    We’ve put proper controls in place, taken tough decisions and focused on living within our means.

    But I'm sure they were nice cuts rather than nasty Tory cuts.
    Cry me a fucking river, then stop dissembling and answer my question. Otherwise I’ll conclude that the missive from the council, despite being from your political opponents, was truthful and it was the first underspend.
    Where have I said it is not the first underspend?

    What I suggested is that the council's own account of its brilliant work is likely to be biased representation of the facts. Perhaps we should accept Kent County Council's press releases about its work without scrutiny too?

    The council has balanced its budget by cutting its costs and raising taxes.

    Oddly the glowing account of its own success makes no mention of council tax, which is apparently now the highest in the land - must have slipped their mind.

    https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/25968680.dorset-residents-face-highest-council-tax-bills-country/

    It seems they also replaced hundreds of council workers with bots.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg8wvyyjyvo

    I'm all for it, but again it's slightly confusing to see the seal-clapping for it from our lefty contingent.

    They also 'right-sized' (I've never heard this term for cut before) the long-term infrastructure budget. I'm all for it, I think councils are pretty bad at infrastructure, but if there's one thing that I thought PB shrewdies all agreed upon, it's the deep foolihardiness of cancelling infrastructure investment to pay today's bills. But I guess not in this case.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,024

    boulay said:

    The difference this time is that Scotland won their first group game so are not playing 'catch up' as such. However as I alluded to earlier 4 points should be enough and Scotland's best chance of getting another point is tonight notwithstanding Brazil are not the team of old.

    I think Scotland will lose their next two matches but will go through as a best third place finisher. Morocco are v good and Brazil are ok.
    3 points in third place may be enough and some teams will get through on that. However in this situation Scotland's goal difference would be -1 at best and maybe somewhat worse than that.
    I think there will be enough third placed teams on one or two points. I think it only needs three third place teams to be worse.
  • AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 4,161
    Alright Scotland, it's time.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,379
    Good luck Scotland.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,034
    Ooops! Morocco score inside 90 secs.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,899

    Alright Scotland, it's time.

    Not time enough.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,424
    Oops
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,668
    Paging @TSE


    Gideon Rachman
    @gideonrachman

    If Andy Burnham becomes prime minister, he will be the first Cambridge educated prime minister since Baldwin in the 1930s. Also the first English literature student ever? A blow for diversity! After the dismal parade of Oxford PPE and law grads.

    https://x.com/gideonrachman/status/2067919348153397264
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,024

    Ooops! Morocco score inside 90 secs.

    Lulling Morocco into a false sense of security. A sneaky tactic.
  • Alright Scotland, it's time.

    Not time enough.
    As they say in Glasgow, baws.

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,424
    So who are ‘Mar’? If we show Germany games will we have ‘Deu’?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,034
    edited 10:07PM

    eek said:

    Bedford train crash looks pretty nasty, one dead at least, 11 injured.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cy8dy2pr8ymt

    Looks like a train from Corby, which was switching tracks, ploughed into the back of a train from Nottingham which was running several minutes late.

    Updated numbers from East of England Ambulance are 89 injured, 11 'very serious'. Plus one fatality. Awful numbers.
    Grim.
    I’ve had confirmation that the driver of the 360 is the person who died
    It didn't look survivable from the static picture of the impact. We forget how risky these types of jobs can be. There's clearly been some horrific failure somewhere for this to happen.
    Yes, the Corby train had just crossed over from the slow London-bound track onto the fast London-bound track - which was already occupied by the Nottingham service.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,899

    Alright Scotland, it's time.

    Not time enough.
    As they say in Glasgow, baws.

    Might be an early bed kind of night
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,034
    That could so easily have been 2-0 :grimace:
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,492
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu—NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/us/flu-outbreak-air-force-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rFA.LASy.Em3OYzAscBzB&smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Why do we need to relearn the lesson that vaccines are a good thing?
    Because some people are absolute [redacted].

    One of my father's colleague said recently he mentioned vaccinating a child and their parent threatened them with violence, this isn't an uncommon experience in the last few years.
    But it did mean Andrew Wakefield got to shag Elle Macpherson, so there’s that.
    It's worse than that.

    We've got a new generation, radicalised by social media, who are anti-vaxx, we'll see the damage in the UK in the next few years as herd immunity is wiped out.
    And plenty of them are in Reform.
    There’s a lot of blame to go around. Every time a celeb or journalist made light of not understanding science it was a step on the road. Every time concerned middle class parents started asking questions, just in case, it was another step on the road. But truly Andrew Wakefield is the biggest source of concern. A malign actor if ever there was one.
    Nah, there have been anti-vaxxers ever since Jenner invented the technique in Georgian times. When I was at Med School parents were refusing whooping cough vaccine, and I remember a small epidemic of it in South London. Wakefield was simply a waypoint.

    Anti-vaxxing seems to now be part of the package of right wing politics, alongside the "Great Replacement Theory", "Cultural Marxism" and anti-abortion. It comes as a bundle via MAGA dominated Social Media.
    It seems to be an extreme manifestation of rugged individualism. An insistence on not being reliant on anyone else for anything, including the benefits of medical science, and that if one is strong enough, you won't get ill anyway. All then bolstered by a healthy dose of survivorship bias.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,024

    So who are ‘Mar’? If we show Germany games will we have ‘Deu’?

    Curaçao were CAW for some reason. It’s not like there are other countries in the WC beginning with CUR and why CAW? Curasow? On that basis should Scotland be FFS?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,379
    Didn't realise until just now that Morocco are as highly-ranked as number 5 in the world, sandwiched between England and Brazil.

    https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,034

    So who are ‘Mar’? If we show Germany games will we have ‘Deu’?

    Curacao were shown as CUW for some reason. The native name is Korsou.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,024

    Alright Scotland, it's time.

    Not time enough.
    As they say in Glasgow, baws.

    Might be an early bed kind of night
    The Scotland defence beat you to it.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,424
    Andy_JS said:

    Didn't realise until just now that Morocco are as highly-ranked as number 5 in the world, sandwiched between England and Brazil.

    https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men

    Damn good team.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,862

    So who are ‘Mar’? If we show Germany games will we have ‘Deu’?

    No, "GER"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FIFA_country_codes
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,424
    CatMan said:

    So who are ‘Mar’? If we show Germany games will we have ‘Deu’?

    No, "GER"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FIFA_country_codes
    Missing my point.
  • Andy_JS said:

    Didn't realise until just now that Morocco are as highly-ranked as number 5 in the world, sandwiched between England and Brazil.

    https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men

    Damn good team.
    This was very much the classic 'Group of Death' draw for Scotland.

    Still, I'm sure they can probably pick up a point against *checks fixtures* Brazil.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,424

    Andy_JS said:

    Didn't realise until just now that Morocco are as highly-ranked as number 5 in the world, sandwiched between England and Brazil.

    https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men

    Damn good team.
    This was very much the classic 'Group of Death' draw for Scotland.

    Still, I'm sure they can probably pick up a point against *checks fixtures* Brazil.
    Pre the expansion to 48 teams it would have been a hideous draw. But pre expansion Scotland wouldn’t have been at the finals…
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,862

    CatMan said:

    So who are ‘Mar’? If we show Germany games will we have ‘Deu’?

    No, "GER"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FIFA_country_codes
    Missing my point.
    Well this is what Claude says:

    FIFA codes are generally just three-letter abbreviations derived from a country's name, and Morocco is a pretty straightforward case: MAR comes from "Maroc," the French name for Morocco (and also close to the Arabic "al-Maghrib" in spirit, though it's really the French spelling driving it).
    This pattern is common in FIFA codes — they often follow the French or local-language name rather than the English one, since French has historically been one of FIFA's official languages alongside English and Spanish. A few similar examples:

    Germany is GER in English contexts but FIFA actually uses GER too (derived from German "Deutschland" would give GER differently, but FIFA aligns with IOC-style codes which can vary)
    Spain is ESP, from "España"
    Wales is WAL

    So MAR fits the broader convention of FIFA codes being built from the country's name in French or the local language rather than always defaulting to English. It's largely inherited from the ISO 3166-1 and IOC country code traditions, which FIFA's codes loosely track (with occasional FIFA-specific quirks).
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,492

    kle4 said:

    A major flu outbreak has sickened nearly 160 troops at Lackland Air Force Base in Texas less than two months after Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth announced that U.S. troops would no longer be required to be vaccinated for the flu—NYT

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/18/us/flu-outbreak-air-force-base.html?unlocked_article_code=1.rFA.LASy.Em3OYzAscBzB&smid=nytcore-ios-share

    Why do we need to relearn the lesson that vaccines are a good thing?
    Because some people are absolute [redacted].

    One of my father's colleague said recently he mentioned vaccinating a child and their parent threatened them with violence, this isn't an uncommon experience in the last few years.
    But it did mean Andrew Wakefield got to shag Elle Macpherson, so there’s that.
    It's worse than that.

    We've got a new generation, radicalised by social media, who are anti-vaxx, we'll see the damage in the UK in the next few years as herd immunity is wiped out.
    It's not just a new generation. I saw an 89 yo woman at CAB this week who confided to me that her grandson had long-Covid and that Covid was a hoax. She'd read it in a 'really interesting' free paper called The Light apparently, so it must be true.

    I couldn't resist asking her how he got long-Covid if Covid was a hoax. (I'll probably get struck off.)
    I had a look at "The Light" so that you don't have to. The latest [June] issue includes an article musing on the purpose of the "obviously fake" Artemis mission. Sigh.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,899

    Andy_JS said:

    Didn't realise until just now that Morocco are as highly-ranked as number 5 in the world, sandwiched between England and Brazil.

    https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men

    Damn good team.
    This was very much the classic 'Group of Death' draw for Scotland.

    Still, I'm sure they can probably pick up a point against *checks fixtures* Brazil.
    Pre the expansion to 48 teams it would have been a hideous draw. But pre expansion Scotland wouldn’t have been at the finals…
    We did win our group to be fair, so even without expansion we would have been there, but we would still have been jammy gits in doing so.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,074
    Andy_JS said:

    Didn't realise until just now that Morocco are as highly-ranked as number 5 in the world, sandwiched between England and Brazil.

    https://inside.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/men

    Yes, won the AFCON, in court...
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