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  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,056
    boulay said:

    Foxy said:

    England are playing Croatia in an air-conditioned stadium - will the still have advert hydration breaks?

    Yep, like all the previous matches in AC venues in the last week.
    Stadiums can have air conditioning? Outside?
    It has a roof.
    Why though
    Why does the millennium stadium in Wales have a roof? Because they can, and because it means perfect conditions for playing sport.
    And it always rains in Cardiff.
    Is it God crying over his mistake?
    No, and it wouldn't be so enriched by the green, green grass of home if it didn't rain all the time.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,755

    kle4 said:

    Burnham is home and dry.

    He’s got spunk. And balls.
    I don't know him that well.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,144

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    My pet hate is when I get a long pdf of the accounts for the charities that I am Trustee of. The AI comments that it is a long document and would I want a one page summary. The answer is No, I want the detail.

    I am yet to find AI useful for anything yet it is drowning us in slop, that gets in the way of real content.
    I did get some use out of AI the other day in figuring our steps to make an old game which has not been maintained work, as the answer is usually buried in some ancient reddit thread somewhere, but that's mainly a consequence of Google Search actually being pretty shit now (the consequences of monopoly perhaps) and the AI search actually being functional.
    Google is now deliberately shit. They know that if you find your search result quickly then you aren't looking at their adverts for long. If they string you along with poor results and paid for placings they get more adverts.
    It's the old adage that if you're paying, you're a customer. If you're not, you're a product.
    I’ve come to the conclusion that all the major tech companies are run by the pointy haired boss from Dilbert.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,056

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/2067276954324140095

    "I've told you I'm voting for you — but if you knock on my door again I might fucking think twice."

    A Labour activist's story from Makerfield today.

    Much of Westminster thinks Burnham has already won. I'm not so convinced.
    Piece from me on why.

    We're all rooting for your boy, the misogynist.

    The comedy value from a Burnham loss would be immense.
    You’re only saying what we’re all thinking.
    I don't dispute that Burnham deserves a bloody nose. It's a shame the one giving it to him is such a vile soul.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,890

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    My pet hate is when I get a long pdf of the accounts for the charities that I am Trustee of. The AI comments that it is a long document and would I want a one page summary. The answer is No, I want the detail.

    I am yet to find AI useful for anything yet it is drowning us in slop, that gets in the way of real content.
    I did get some use out of AI the other day in figuring our steps to make an old game which has not been maintained work, as the answer is usually buried in some ancient reddit thread somewhere, but that's mainly a consequence of Google Search actually being pretty shit now (the consequences of monopoly perhaps) and the AI search actually being functional.
    Google is now deliberately shit. They know that if you find your search result quickly then you aren't looking at their adverts for long. If they string you along with poor results and paid for placings they get more adverts.
    It's the old adage that if you're paying, you're a customer. If you're not, you're a product.
    I’ve come to the conclusion that all the major tech companies are run by the pointy haired boss from Dilbert.
    Bollocks.

    The minor ones are also run by him too.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,144

    Foxy said:

    England are playing Croatia in an air-conditioned stadium - will the still have advert hydration breaks?

    Yep, like all the previous matches in AC venues in the last week.
    Stadiums can have air conditioning? Outside?
    It has a roof.
    Why though
    They apparently haven't learned that you should play football in the winter
    The Scottish Football Association have been examining the American system and are considering introducing a compulsory hot soup and bovril break.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,894
    God save the King!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,997

    Foxy said:

    England are playing Croatia in an air-conditioned stadium - will the still have advert hydration breaks?

    Yep, like all the previous matches in AC venues in the last week.
    Stadiums can have air conditioning? Outside?
    It has a roof.
    Why though
    Why does the millennium stadium in Wales have a roof? Because they can, and because it means perfect conditions for playing sport.
    And it always rains in Cardiff.
    Taff luck!
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,890

    Foxy said:

    England are playing Croatia in an air-conditioned stadium - will the still have advert hydration breaks?

    Yep, like all the previous matches in AC venues in the last week.
    Stadiums can have air conditioning? Outside?
    It has a roof.
    Why though
    They apparently haven't learned that you should play football in the winter
    The Scottish Football Association have been examining the American system and are considering introducing a compulsory hot soup and bovril break.
    Given the average Scottish winter, the dehydration breaks will be most welcome.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,894
    Is it a sign that you’re getting old, when you only know half of the England starting lineup?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,997
    Come on, England!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,374

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    It is overhyped rubbish. And won’t replace any/many jobs.
    Adobe Acrobat is the same. I don't want AI summaries of a simple PDF thanks. Piss off. You are meant to be able to switch it off in the settings but its under the surface waiting to come back.

    Then there's the AI pap marketing proposals with no actual facts. Tell me what you're proposing to do and what it will cost - I am not interested in reading how you can create a bespoke marketing activation that feels authentic for both of us. These people must realise they're getting no business.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,099
    Come on England!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,299
    That wasn't the best of starts from England.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,010
    Pickford looks sunburnt!
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,280

    theProle said:

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    It's almost like they've forgotten all the lessons they (should have) learnt from the infuriating paperclip 20 odd years ago.
    Microsoft absolutely learned the lesson of Clippy. Unfortunately, the lesson they seem to have learned is to not give the mugs any choice in the matter this time.
    At one point, if you told Clippy to fuck off, it came back with "would you like to turn me off?". And then they disabled that feature
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,002
    Pickford having more touches in this match than the whole season.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,074
    edited 8:10PM

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/2067276954324140095

    "I've told you I'm voting for you — but if you knock on my door again I might fucking think twice."

    A Labour activist's story from Makerfield today.

    Much of Westminster thinks Burnham has already won. I'm not so convinced.
    Piece from me on why.

    We're all rooting for your boy, the misogynist.

    The comedy value from a Burnham loss would be immense.
    Hopefully SKS doesn't die laughing if Burnham loses, though I expect him to win
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,060
    The hunt for a legacy goes on.

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2067319015895388403

    Exclusive from @benclatworthy

    The expansion of Heathrow is set to move a step closer as Sir Keir Starmer plans to publish the blueprint for a third runway within days
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,997
    England Penalty!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,299
    Damn. Penalty saved.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,997
    Ooops - save!
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,997
    But encroachment - retake!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,894
    🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿⚽️
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,997
    1-0!
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,080

    theProle said:

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    It's almost like they've forgotten all the lessons they (should have) learnt from the infuriating paperclip 20 odd years ago.
    Microsoft absolutely learned the lesson of Clippy. Unfortunately, the lesson they seem to have learned is to not give the mugs any choice in the matter this time.
    At one point, if you told Clippy to fuck off, it came back with "would you like to turn me off?". And then they disabled that feature
    There used to be a plugin for `vim` called `vigor`. It would just pop up and say things like "It looks like you're trying to type [Cancel]", "You pressed cursor-left [Undo]".
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,799

    Foxy said:

    England are playing Croatia in an air-conditioned stadium - will the still have advert hydration breaks?

    Yep, like all the previous matches in AC venues in the last week.
    Stadiums can have air conditioning? Outside?
    It has a roof.
    Why though
    Why does the millennium stadium in Wales have a roof? Because they can, and because it means perfect conditions for playing sport.
    In the case of Texas, high heat combined with high humidity are common. A roof, apart from keeping the sun off, enables air conditioning, as noted.

    Air conditioning can be used to massively reduce humidity,
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,930
    Name on the trophy.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,099
    Stupid, stupid encroachment. But hey, who's complaining?
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,374

    The hunt for a legacy goes on.

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2067319015895388403

    Exclusive from @benclatworthy

    The expansion of Heathrow is set to move a step closer as Sir Keir Starmer plans to publish the blueprint for a third runway within days

    I think it's too late for this, and also I appreciate that I 'would' say this, but Starmer should really tack right to combat Burnham. The big centrepiece of which would be to dump Milliband and challenge Burnham to say whether he'd reinstate him. Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation. Make Burnham the standard bearer for Millibandism and Net Zero, while statesmanlike Starmer realises we must go slower for the good of our national security. Burnham also dumps Milliband he pisses off activists and members and looks weak. Or he embraces Milliband and picks the wrong side of the argument.

    It would work well politically, but it's probably too late now as any big moves, including Milliband being forced out, would probably bring the whole house of cards down.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,894
    edited 8:21PM
    DavidL said:

    Stupid, stupid encroachment. But hey, who's complaining?

    Crazy that these things are now being marked so accurately, but you take the ones that go your way in tournaments like this. There will undoubtedly be others that go against us.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,905
    Set piece again ole ole.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,099

    The hunt for a legacy goes on.

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2067319015895388403

    Exclusive from @benclatworthy

    The expansion of Heathrow is set to move a step closer as Sir Keir Starmer plans to publish the blueprint for a third runway within days

    I think it's too late for this, and also I appreciate that I 'would' say this, but Starmer should really tack right to combat Burnham. The big centrepiece of which would be to dump Milliband and challenge Burnham to say whether he'd reinstate him. Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation. Make Burnham the standard bearer for Millibandism and Net Zero, while statesmanlike Starmer realises we must go slower for the good of our national security. Burnham also dumps Milliband he pisses off activists and members and looks weak. Or he embraces Milliband and picks the wrong side of the argument.

    It would work well politically, but it's probably too late now as any big moves, including Milliband being forced out, would probably bring the whole house of cards down.
    I don't think anything is going to make any difference now. The cry to remain PM because SKS was having "important" conversations at the G7 was frankly embarrassingly pathetic. The leadership challenge will be in on Friday (my guess) and I suspect that SKS will be admitting defeat by the end of the weekend. It's over. Thank goodness.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,080
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    My pet hate is when I get a long pdf of the accounts for the charities that I am Trustee of. The AI comments that it is a long document and would I want a one page summary. The answer is No, I want the detail.

    I am yet to find AI useful for anything yet it is drowning us in slop, that gets in the way of real content.
    I did get some use out of AI the other day in figuring our steps to make an old game which has not been maintained work, as the answer is usually buried in some ancient reddit thread somewhere, but that's mainly a consequence of Google Search actually being pretty shit now (the consequences of monopoly perhaps) and the AI search actually being functional.
    It's very useful in specific ways, and extremely unhelpful when just slapped onto other use-cases. I've had it literally save me almost 1.5 years work on one thing, and spin it's heels for £££ on another. And the endless 'chatbot' interfaces being shoe-horned into existing apps are almost never a good experience. (Mind you - neither were the previous generation of 'if this, then that' style customer service bots).

    It'll shake itself out over the next few years I'm sure. In the meantime we'll get a lot of trash that costs the companies a load, and earns consultants a load - and just p*sses off their customers.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,976
    HYUFD said:

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/2067276954324140095

    "I've told you I'm voting for you — but if you knock on my door again I might fucking think twice."

    A Labour activist's story from Makerfield today.

    Much of Westminster thinks Burnham has already won. I'm not so convinced.
    Piece from me on why.

    We're all rooting for your boy, the misogynist.

    The comedy value from a Burnham loss would be immense.
    Hopefully SKS doesn't die laughing if Burnham loses, though I expect him to win
    If Burnham loses and SKS dies laughing, that solves both problems at once - a vacancy is created in No10, and the largest ego in the known world remains unable to fill it. Win - win I suppose.
  • The hunt for a legacy goes on.

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2067319015895388403

    Exclusive from @benclatworthy

    The expansion of Heathrow is set to move a step closer as Sir Keir Starmer plans to publish the blueprint for a third runway within days

    I think it's too late for this, and also I appreciate that I 'would' say this, but Starmer should really tack right to combat Burnham. The big centrepiece of which would be to dump Milliband and challenge Burnham to say whether he'd reinstate him. Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation. Make Burnham the standard bearer for Millibandism and Net Zero, while statesmanlike Starmer realises we must go slower for the good of our national security. Burnham also dumps Milliband he pisses off activists and members and looks weak. Or he embraces Milliband and picks the wrong side of the argument.

    It would work well politically, but it's probably too late now as any big moves, including Milliband being forced out, would probably bring the whole house of cards down.
    Manchester clean air zone was Boris Johnson’s idea. Just like ULEZ
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,002
    Whilst we are on the drinks break, useful for a pee btw, I was laughing at a TikTok ad on ITV earlier where the character was a teacher called “The Rapping Teacher”. Unfortunately the writing telling us his name is in white and a bit of white in the background covers the second P of rapping so I had a bit of surprise when I saw it and then figured what it really said.

  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,374
    edited 8:30PM

    The hunt for a legacy goes on.

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2067319015895388403

    Exclusive from @benclatworthy

    The expansion of Heathrow is set to move a step closer as Sir Keir Starmer plans to publish the blueprint for a third runway within days

    I think it's too late for this, and also I appreciate that I 'would' say this, but Starmer should really tack right to combat Burnham. The big centrepiece of which would be to dump Milliband and challenge Burnham to say whether he'd reinstate him. Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation. Make Burnham the standard bearer for Millibandism and Net Zero, while statesmanlike Starmer realises we must go slower for the good of our national security. Burnham also dumps Milliband he pisses off activists and members and looks weak. Or he embraces Milliband and picks the wrong side of the argument.

    It would work well politically, but it's probably too late now as any big moves, including Milliband being forced out, would probably bring the whole house of cards down.
    That would permanently cement Starmer as entirely redundant dud from Labour’s perspective. “Asthma for our kids!” v Burnham’s “Freebies for everyone”. Only one winner there.

    And we can disagree on the underlying argument, but there’s no doubt that Miliband is on the right side of opinion for all Labour and Labour adjacent voters, which is what matters here. Even Reform voters are surprisingly pro renewables.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,067
    edited 8:28PM

    Booing the hydration break makes you proud to be English

    Something that finally unites the nation
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,894

    Booing the hydration break makes you proud to be English

    Foreign broadcasters followed the US example, and got in a couple of minutes of ads to make everyone head to the bar.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,350
    boulay said:

    Whilst we are on the drinks break, useful for a pee btw, I was laughing at a TikTok ad on ITV earlier where the character was a teacher called “The Rapping Teacher”. Unfortunately the writing telling us his name is in white and a bit of white in the background covers the second P of rapping so I had a bit of surprise when I saw it and then figured what it really said.

    Oh God, I've been muting the TV every time that ad comes on. My tolerance for cringe is shot these days.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,099
    I thought this game was supposed to be getting played at EPL pace. Seems very slow to me.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,374
    edited 8:33PM

    Booing the hydration break makes you proud to be English

    The chant the English fans have come up with about Trump/Epstein is excellent too, martyrs to free speech given the stadium bans for it. #respect

    Bullshit retake though. If that’s the standard then shootouts are going to take hours.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,009
    .

    Sky

    Burnham 'would reject' cabinet job

    He's the most entitled politician since Hillary Clinton.
    Aren't you familiar with Donald Trump ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,894
    edited 8:34PM
    Eabhal said:

    The hunt for a legacy goes on.

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2067319015895388403

    Exclusive from @benclatworthy

    The expansion of Heathrow is set to move a step closer as Sir Keir Starmer plans to publish the blueprint for a third runway within days

    I think it's too late for this, and also I appreciate that I 'would' say this, but Starmer should really tack right to combat Burnham. The big centrepiece of which would be to dump Milliband and challenge Burnham to say whether he'd reinstate him. Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation. Make Burnham the standard bearer for Millibandism and Net Zero, while statesmanlike Starmer realises we must go slower for the good of our national security. Burnham also dumps Milliband he pisses off activists and members and looks weak. Or he embraces Milliband and picks the wrong side of the argument.

    It would work well politically, but it's probably too late now as any big moves, including Milliband being forced out, would probably bring the whole house of cards down.
    That would permanently cement Starmer as entirely redundant dud from Labour’s perspective. “Asthma for our kids!” v Burnham’s “Freebies for everyone”. Only one winner there.

    And we can disagree on the underlying argument, but there’s no doubt that Miliband is on the right side of opinion for all Labour and Labour adjacent voters, which is what matters here. Even Reform voters are surprisingly pro renewables.
    And the hundreds of thousands of unemployed, as a direct result of the highest energy prices in the OECD, are the price worth paying for Ed Milibandism.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,299
    For some reason the pace of play seems very slow compared to most of the other matches so far. Maybe it's a deliberate strategy from England.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,894
    Dammit. That was a rather good goal.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,997
    OH NO!

    Croatia equalise!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,328
    Whoops
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,010
    Cracking equaliser from Croatia.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,905
    DavidL said:

    I thought this game was supposed to be getting played at EPL pace. Seems very slow to me.

    It’s Arsenal Premier League pace.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,099
    Andy_JS said:

    For some reason the pace of play seems very slow compared to most of the other matches so far. Maybe it's a deliberate strategy from England.

    Well, it would be a tad unsporting to get their 40 year olds out of breath.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,496
    Pops in before bed. Sees it's football.com. Good luck & good night!
  • England haven’t got a chance against France
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,374
    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    The hunt for a legacy goes on.

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2067319015895388403

    Exclusive from @benclatworthy

    The expansion of Heathrow is set to move a step closer as Sir Keir Starmer plans to publish the blueprint for a third runway within days

    I think it's too late for this, and also I appreciate that I 'would' say this, but Starmer should really tack right to combat Burnham. The big centrepiece of which would be to dump Milliband and challenge Burnham to say whether he'd reinstate him. Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation. Make Burnham the standard bearer for Millibandism and Net Zero, while statesmanlike Starmer realises we must go slower for the good of our national security. Burnham also dumps Milliband he pisses off activists and members and looks weak. Or he embraces Milliband and picks the wrong side of the argument.

    It would work well politically, but it's probably too late now as any big moves, including Milliband being forced out, would probably bring the whole house of cards down.
    That would permanently cement Starmer as entirely redundant dud from Labour’s perspective. “Asthma for our kids!” v Burnham’s “Freebies for everyone”. Only one winner there.

    And we can disagree on the underlying argument, but there’s no doubt that Miliband is on the right side of opinion for all Labour and Labour adjacent voters, which is what matters here. Even Reform voters are surprisingly pro renewables.
    And the hundreds of thousands of unemployed, as a direct result of the highest energy prices in the OECD, are the price worth paying for Ed Miliband.
    This is just bollocks and you know it. Industrial electricity has been insane for decades here, and Miliband has actually cut costs to a small degree.

    Not gone nearly far enough mind, but the Conservatives are highly vulnerable given it’s their system we are encumbered by. And as far as I can tell Farage wants us to prostrate ourselves to global fossil fuel markets which is a niche opinion at best.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,905

    Booing the hydration break makes you proud to be English

    Well be grateful for it if we make the final.

    Set piece again ole ole.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,894
    That’s better!!! ⚽️
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,997
    Kane scores!

    2-1!
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,009
    England look a bit porous to this very much not aficionado.

    But so do Croatia..
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,547
    England with a second soccer goal
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,010

    Kane scores!

    2-1!

    Crazy not to have him marked at a corner.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,547
    England with a second soccer goal
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,357
    edited 8:43PM
    Policies I predict Burnham ditches instantly:

    North Sea oil drilling ban

    Tax for employers increase?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,009
    Boo

    BBC to axe Radio 4’s The World Tonight after more than 50 years
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/jun/17/bbc-boss-compulsory-redundancies-cuts
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,165

    Kane scores!

    2-1!

    Spoilers lol
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,547

    kle4 said:

    Burnham is home and dry.

    He’s got spunk. And balls.
    Nuts
  • Taz said:

    kle4 said:

    Burnham is home and dry.

    He’s got spunk. And balls.
    Nuts
    Zoo
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,894
    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    The hunt for a legacy goes on.

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2067319015895388403

    Exclusive from @benclatworthy

    The expansion of Heathrow is set to move a step closer as Sir Keir Starmer plans to publish the blueprint for a third runway within days

    I think it's too late for this, and also I appreciate that I 'would' say this, but Starmer should really tack right to combat Burnham. The big centrepiece of which would be to dump Milliband and challenge Burnham to say whether he'd reinstate him. Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation. Make Burnham the standard bearer for Millibandism and Net Zero, while statesmanlike Starmer realises we must go slower for the good of our national security. Burnham also dumps Milliband he pisses off activists and members and looks weak. Or he embraces Milliband and picks the wrong side of the argument.

    It would work well politically, but it's probably too late now as any big moves, including Milliband being forced out, would probably bring the whole house of cards down.
    That would permanently cement Starmer as entirely redundant dud from Labour’s perspective. “Asthma for our kids!” v Burnham’s “Freebies for everyone”. Only one winner there.

    And we can disagree on the underlying argument, but there’s no doubt that Miliband is on the right side of opinion for all Labour and Labour adjacent voters, which is what matters here. Even Reform voters are surprisingly pro renewables.
    And the hundreds of thousands of unemployed, as a direct result of the highest energy prices in the OECD, are the price worth paying for Ed Miliband.
    This is just bollocks and you know it. Industrial electricity has been insane for decades here, and Miliband has actually cut costs to a small degree.

    Not gone nearly far enough mind, but the Conservatives are highly vulnerable given it’s their system we are encumbered by. And as far as I can tell Farage wants us to prostrate ourselves to global fossil fuel markets which is a niche opinion at best.
    What EM policies have cut energy costs, specifically? As opposed to just being lucky with global prices falling.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,099

    England haven’t got a chance against France

    Who does? Maybe Germany?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,547

    England haven’t got a chance against France

    98 all over again
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,010
    DavidL said:

    England haven’t got a chance against France

    Who does? Maybe Germany?
    Bit early to say after just one game. Teams often grow into a tournament, but France were devastating in the second half last night.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,299
    Nigelb said:

    Boo

    BBC to axe Radio 4’s The World Tonight after more than 50 years
    https://www.theguardian.com/media/2026/jun/17/bbc-boss-compulsory-redundancies-cuts

    The station's best programme. Damn.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,299
    Surely offside?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,328
    Whoops again
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,997
    Not another one!

    2-2 now!
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,328
    Andy_JS said:

    Surely offside?

    Goal given
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,831
    I told you laying England for the World Cup is the only sensible strategy.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,360
    That's a disgrace by VAR standards. Surely offside.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,386
    Why no VAR check ?
  • SonofContrarianSonofContrarian Posts: 302
    God, our defence is abysmal..💩
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,620

    Policies I predict Burnham ditches instantly:

    North Sea oil drilling ban

    Tax for employers increase?

    Seems unlikely the guy cosying up to Miliband is going to undo the North Sea ban?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,894

    I told you laying England for the World Cup is the only sensible strategy.

    Laying England in a major tournament is always value with a UK bookie or exchange, as there’s massive amounts of patriotic money backing them.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,755

    God, our defence is abysmal..💩

    Starmer won't do anything about it.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,067
    It’s like watching Newcastle defend
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,894
    nico67 said:

    Why no VAR check ?

    They can apparently VAR during half time.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,002
    Eabhal said:

    Booing the hydration break makes you proud to be English

    The chant the English fans have come up with about Trump/Epstein is excellent too, martyrs to free speech given the stadium bans for it. #respect

    Bullshit retake though. If that’s the standard then shootouts are going to take hours.
    That has been standard for ages - keeper off line and encroachment from Croatian who then cleared the rebound.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,374
    edited 8:56PM
    Vanilla fail.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,374
    edited 8:56PM
    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    The hunt for a legacy goes on.

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2067319015895388403

    Exclusive from @benclatworthy

    The expansion of Heathrow is set to move a step closer as Sir Keir Starmer plans to publish the blueprint for a third runway within days

    I think it's too late for this, and also I appreciate that I 'would' say this, but Starmer should really tack right to combat Burnham. The big centrepiece of which would be to dump Milliband and challenge Burnham to say whether he'd reinstate him. Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation. Make Burnham the standard bearer for Millibandism and Net Zero, while statesmanlike Starmer realises we must go slower for the good of our national security. Burnham also dumps Milliband he pisses off activists and members and looks weak. Or he embraces Milliband and picks the wrong side of the argument.

    It would work well politically, but it's probably too late now as any big moves, including Milliband being forced out, would probably bring the whole house of cards down.
    That would permanently cement Starmer as entirely redundant dud from Labour’s perspective. “Asthma for our kids!” v Burnham’s “Freebies for everyone”. Only one winner there.

    And we can disagree on the underlying argument, but there’s no doubt that Miliband is on the right side of opinion for all Labour and Labour adjacent voters, which is what matters here. Even Reform voters are surprisingly pro renewables.
    And the hundreds of thousands of unemployed, as a direct result of the highest energy prices in the OECD, are the price worth paying for Ed Miliband.
    This is just bollocks and you know it. Industrial electricity has been insane for decades here, and Miliband has actually cut costs to a small degree.

    Not gone nearly far enough mind, but the Conservatives are highly vulnerable given it’s their system we are encumbered by. And as far as I can tell Farage wants us to prostrate ourselves to global fossil fuel markets which is a niche opinion at best.
    What EM policies have cut energy costs, specifically? As opposed to just being lucky with global prices falling.
    Some sensible stuff on network costs, BICS too (though that should be expanded much further to 100% of businesses). In the long term, going all in on wind, solar and batteries is going to transform our economy but currently we aren’t brave enough to wholeheartedly embrace it (e.g. nodal and time variable pricing).

    Basically, these measures go nowhere near far enough given we should be moving to electrification as fast as possible - I think Miliband has been an abject failure but from a different perspective to you. He should be going much further and much faster.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,099
    Sandpit said:

    nico67 said:

    Why no VAR check ?

    They can apparently VAR during half time.
    Sandpit said:

    nico67 said:

    Why no VAR check ?

    They can apparently VAR during half time.
    His arm looked offside from the picture on the screen. But who knows these days?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,595
    So, Scotland are above England in the World Cup standings...
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,386
    Surely if it’s that close you’d always do a VAR check ?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,894
    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    Sandpit said:

    Eabhal said:

    The hunt for a legacy goes on.

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2067319015895388403

    Exclusive from @benclatworthy

    The expansion of Heathrow is set to move a step closer as Sir Keir Starmer plans to publish the blueprint for a third runway within days

    I think it's too late for this, and also I appreciate that I 'would' say this, but Starmer should really tack right to combat Burnham. The big centrepiece of which would be to dump Milliband and challenge Burnham to say whether he'd reinstate him. Burnham's 'clean air zone' in Manchester is a black spot on his reputation. Make Burnham the standard bearer for Millibandism and Net Zero, while statesmanlike Starmer realises we must go slower for the good of our national security. Burnham also dumps Milliband he pisses off activists and members and looks weak. Or he embraces Milliband and picks the wrong side of the argument.

    It would work well politically, but it's probably too late now as any big moves, including Milliband being forced out, would probably bring the whole house of cards down.
    That would permanently cement Starmer as entirely redundant dud from Labour’s perspective. “Asthma for our kids!” v Burnham’s “Freebies for everyone”. Only one winner there.

    And we can disagree on the underlying argument, but there’s no doubt that Miliband is on the right side of opinion for all Labour and Labour adjacent voters, which is what matters here. Even Reform voters are surprisingly pro renewables.
    And the hundreds of thousands of unemployed, as a direct result of the highest energy prices in the OECD, are the price worth paying for Ed Miliband.
    This is just bollocks and you know it. Industrial electricity has been insane for decades here, and Miliband has actually cut costs to a small degree.

    Not gone nearly far enough mind, but the Conservatives are highly vulnerable given it’s their system we are encumbered by. And as far as I can tell Farage wants us to prostrate ourselves to global fossil fuel markets which is a niche opinion at best.
    What EM policies have cut energy costs, specifically? As opposed to just being lucky with global prices falling.
    Some sensible stuff on network costs, BICS too (though that should be expanded much further to 100% of businesses).

    To be clear, these measures go nowhere near far enough IMO given we should be moving to electrification as fast as possible - I think Miliband has been an abject failure but from a different perspective to you. He should be going much further and much faster.
    But he has no storage plan, so all of the renewables need O&G backup.

    Personally I’d have been all-in on nuclear like the French. Much as I dislike commending the French.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,299

    Andy_JS said:

    Surely offside?

    Goal given
    I hope they've checked it thoroughly.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,386
    The ITV studio is amazing with that view of Manhattan .
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,002
    Apropos of nothing I found a dead magpie in the garden today. Entrails eaten but the head was absolutely clean decapitated and gone. Do cats do this? Can’t work out why it would take the head - can’t be overly nutritious, and not eat the meat on the legs and wings. Only other land predator here is a polecat so found it quite odd.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,328
    VAR onside
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