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  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,572
    algarkirk said:

    It seems to me that a lot fewer people than usual are flying England flags for football purposes both on houses, pubs etc and in cars. (North Cumberland.) Is this true more generally?

    There were a couple of folks trying to sell England flags in Manchester city centre this afternoon. I didn't see any takers.

    Mind, there's a bloody big flag in Greggs' window.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,362

    Battlebus said:

    Chris Mason on 6 o clock news saying Rob the plumber winning Makerfield sends Labour into a (death?) spiral.

    BBC are culling their news team. Wonder if he is on the list?
    Surely he and Kuennsberg stay. All the good ones go.
    Get rid of kuenssberg and mason
    Promote derbyshire and Young
    Get rid of Vine
    Promote Deheney
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,889

    Ummm..



    This appears to be real…?

    Are those the only choices? Bad luck for Makerfield.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,570
    edited 5:37PM

    Ummm..



    This appears to be real…?

    Its yet another example of the unprofessionalism of Reform.

    Farage has repeatedly predicted an early general election yet his candidate in what would have been one of the top target seats had clearly received no training.

    And if Reform are unprepared for an election how do they expect to manage as a government.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,570
    Why are the media trying to analyse Trump's deal with Iran ?

    The chances of either side keeping their word is minimal in the medium term and zero in the long term.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,923

    Why are the media trying to analyse Trump's deal with Iran ?

    The chances of either side keeping their word is minimal in the medium term and zero in the long term.

    The Iranians have played a blinder. They'll get money now and money in the future. Money like the Donald has never seen before.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,379
    So Trump and Israel bomb Iran and others will apparently have to pick up the tab for reconstruction!

  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,831
    Fishing said:

    Sweeney74 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Next Labour leader must abandon migrant crackdown, says union boss

    The next Labour leader must abandon the party’s crackdown on migration, the boss of Britain’s largest trade union has demanded.

    Andrea Egan, the general secretary of Unison, described reforms to the asylum system brought forward by Sir Keir Starmer and Shabana Mahmood as “a betrayal of our most basic values”.

    Her remarks will probably put Unison on a collision course with Wes Streeting and Andy Burnham, who are expected to challenge the Prime Minister after the Makerfield by-election on Thursday."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/17/makerfield-live-news-keir-starmer-labour-burnham-streeting/

    This has always been Labour’s fundamental tension. The traditional labour movement was built around working-class communities whose priorities were jobs, wages, housing and economic security, and many were socially quite conservative. The modern progressive wing is much more rooted in academia, the professions and activist circles, with a stronger focus on cultural and identity issues.

    The problem for Labour is that these groups increasingly disagree on things like immigration. Union leaders and activists often assume they’re speaking for “the base”, but many ordinary union members and working-class voters hold rather different views.
    Not just Labour - the Conservatives had an exactly analogous tension, between big business that wants more cheap, skilled and willing labour and the membership that would send the Navy to sink every small boat if it had its way.

    All successful political parties are coalitions, and the more divided a country gets, the more those splits show.
    We are in danger of going from "broad church" parties which negotiate among themselves to produce policies, to sects where the leader simply pronounces edicts to the faithful. Not optimal for governing a G7 country of 70m.
  • Still think this England side will get flattened by Aus
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,379
    Other G7 members of course welcome any deal because the alternative is the Strait of Hormuz remaining closed .

    So I’m sure they told Trump he’s made a fantastic deal and are just relieved at this point .
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,570
    Omnium said:

    Why are the media trying to analyse Trump's deal with Iran ?

    The chances of either side keeping their word is minimal in the medium term and zero in the long term.

    The Iranians have played a blinder. They'll get money now and money in the future. Money like the Donald has never seen before.
    In reality they wont.

    Lots of big talk followed by little action.

    Followed by more war on and off.

    Fortunately the Middle East is becoming less and less important to the rest of us.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,898

    Still think this England side will get flattened by Aus

    Which sport are you referring to?
  • By this time next week Burnham may have challenged Sir Keir.
  • tlg86 said:

    Still think this England side will get flattened by Aus

    Which sport are you referring to?
    Cricket.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,057
    https://x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/2067273406622646355

    "I'm considered racist. I'm considered right-wing. I'm neither.

    "I've got brown grandchildren, and I've got a black, Namibian goddaughter."

    This Reform-turned-Restore voter in Makerfield says her family think she's a "right-wing nut-job"
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,290

    https://x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/2067273406622646355

    "I'm considered racist. I'm considered right-wing. I'm neither.

    "I've got brown grandchildren, and I've got a black, Namibian goddaughter."

    This Reform-turned-Restore voter in Makerfield says her family think she's a "right-wing nut-job"

    I think Restore will struggle to get more than 5% tomorrow.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,798
    Peruvian election

    About 175,000–180,000 votes remain unresolved, and Keiko Fujimori leads by 36,889 votes.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,290
    Brixian59 said:

    Battlebus said:

    Chris Mason on 6 o clock news saying Rob the plumber winning Makerfield sends Labour into a (death?) spiral.

    BBC are culling their news team. Wonder if he is on the list?
    Surely he and Kuennsberg stay. All the good ones go.
    Get rid of kuenssberg and mason
    Promote derbyshire and Young
    Get rid of Vine
    Promote Deheney
    Sounds a bit partisan.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,348

    Still think this England side will get flattened by Aus

    You were on NZ 3-0 winners last week! Tricky game for England with five changes, for reasons. As ever, wait until both teams have had a bat.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,592
    @jolingkent

    The Warsh era of the Fed has begun. In an unusually short statement, the FOMC unanimously voted to keep the benchmark interest rate unchanged at 3.5-3.75%.
  • Still think this England side will get flattened by Aus

    You were on NZ 3-0 winners last week! Tricky game for England with five changes, for reasons. As ever, wait until both teams have had a bat.
    I was and that was wrong but my fundamental opinion remains the same. This side are poor.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,181

    Peruvian election

    About 175,000–180,000 votes remain unresolved, and Keiko Fujimori leads by 36,889 votes.

    I keep forgetting which ones is the nuttier one.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,348

    Still think this England side will get flattened by Aus

    You were on NZ 3-0 winners last week! Tricky game for England with five changes, for reasons. As ever, wait until both teams have had a bat.
    I was and that was wrong but my fundamental opinion remains the same. This side are poor.
    The rankings in the test tournament back that up. I am frustrated with them. They should have won the last home ashes but wasted good positions. And similar against India. I love the ambition to be positive but sometimes you need to guts it out. Next ashes is home again so that helps. I think it will be close again. This side isn’t as poor as your think, albeit the current 11 are rather callow.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,754
    Sweeney74 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Next Labour leader must abandon migrant crackdown, says union boss

    The next Labour leader must abandon the party’s crackdown on migration, the boss of Britain’s largest trade union has demanded.

    Andrea Egan, the general secretary of Unison, described reforms to the asylum system brought forward by Sir Keir Starmer and Shabana Mahmood as “a betrayal of our most basic values”.

    Her remarks will probably put Unison on a collision course with Wes Streeting and Andy Burnham, who are expected to challenge the Prime Minister after the Makerfield by-election on Thursday."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/06/17/makerfield-live-news-keir-starmer-labour-burnham-streeting/

    This has always been Labour’s fundamental tension. The traditional labour movement was built around working-class communities whose priorities were jobs, wages, housing and economic security, and many were socially quite conservative. The modern progressive wing is much more rooted in academia, the professions and activist circles, with a stronger focus on cultural and identity issues.

    The problem for Labour is that these groups increasingly disagree on things like immigration. Union leaders and activists often assume they’re speaking for “the base”, but many ordinary union members and working-class voters hold rather different views.
    I'd say modest successes on immigration are the one of the few things holding Reform down.

    Whether it's AfD in Germany, One Nation in Australia, Trump in the US, or FN in France, parties across the West are turning to alternatives who promise a crackdown.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,577

    One of the most humiliating episodes in American history frankly and one that will cause massive problems for years to come:

    Andrew Neil
    @afneil

    The US has circulated its version of the Memo of Understanding with Iran to G7 leaders in France. It’s as bad if not worse than expected.

    ...

    America will now become a partner with the tyrants of Tehran, who Trump only recently wanted to overthrow, in rebuilding their economy.


    When Trump insisted the war would only end with ‘unconditional surrender’ it never crossed my mind he meant his own.

    https://x.com/afneil/status/2067264423660556777

    Trump did not want to overthrow the Iranian regime, or not until he was talked into it. That was the Neocons. No foreign wars, no forced regime changes was part of Trump's MAGA schtick.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,798
    edited 6:12PM

    Peruvian election

    About 175,000–180,000 votes remain unresolved, and Keiko Fujimori leads by 36,889 votes.

    I keep forgetting which ones is the nuttier one.
    Yes.

    It would benefit Peru, to send them Liz Truss. Her command of economic matters would be a vast improvement.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,995
    Hegseth is going to see the England fans in their crusader outfits later and cream himself.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,607
    Scott_xP said:

    @jolingkent

    The Warsh era of the Fed has begun. In an unusually short statement, the FOMC unanimously voted to keep the benchmark interest rate unchanged at 3.5-3.75%.

    Trump explosion on social media in 10, 9, 8...
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,095

    https://x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/2067273406622646355

    "I'm considered racist. I'm considered right-wing. I'm neither.

    "I've got brown grandchildren, and I've got a black, Namibian goddaughter."

    This Reform-turned-Restore voter in Makerfield says her family think she's a "right-wing nut-job"

    An example of a probably reasonable person driven a bit mad by social media. Very unlikely to be any happier for it but it has made the likes of Musk and Zuckerburg a fortune. Tax and regulate the pushers.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,379

    https://x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/2067273406622646355

    "I'm considered racist. I'm considered right-wing. I'm neither.

    "I've got brown grandchildren, and I've got a black, Namibian goddaughter."

    This Reform-turned-Restore voter in Makerfield says her family think she's a "right-wing nut-job"

    So she’s voting for a party that would happily deport members of her family . What a vile stupid woman .
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,995
    This is why I never want Portugal to win things with the theatrics and play acting. They are truly the worst team in the world for it.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,060

    One of the most humiliating episodes in American history frankly and one that will cause massive problems for years to come:

    Andrew Neil
    @afneil

    The US has circulated its version of the Memo of Understanding with Iran to G7 leaders in France. It’s as bad if not worse than expected.

    ...

    America will now become a partner with the tyrants of Tehran, who Trump only recently wanted to overthrow, in rebuilding their economy.


    When Trump insisted the war would only end with ‘unconditional surrender’ it never crossed my mind he meant his own.

    https://x.com/afneil/status/2067264423660556777

    Trump did not want to overthrow the Iranian regime, or not until he was talked into it. That was the Neocons. No foreign wars, no forced regime changes was part of Trump's MAGA schtick.
    I don't think it's the Neocons as much as Israel sweet talking Trump into what he thought would be a quick win..
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,913
    Burnham is home and dry.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,913
    boulay said:

    This is why I never want Portugal to win things with the theatrics and play acting. They are truly the worst team in the world for it.

    That is up against some seriously stiff competition.

    The ones that get me are the ones who scream and then pretend to be weeping in agony - it's not convincing, and they usually get a foul without it (even genuine fouls), so I really don't know why players add that level of theatricality which just harms their dignity to no benefit.

    Saw one faking the other day (someone stepped on their foot after winning the ball, probably hurt a bit but that's football), everyone played on, and they faced the difficult choice of what to do. In the end they just laid down for around a minute, at which point the ref kind of had to stop play and make sure they really were ok, but that's real dedication to take out nearly 1% of your entire match because you're too embarrassed to get up when the faking didn't work.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,913
    edited 6:44PM

    https://x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/2067273406622646355

    "I'm considered racist. I'm considered right-wing. I'm neither.

    "I've got brown grandchildren, and I've got a black, Namibian goddaughter."

    This Reform-turned-Restore voter in Makerfield says her family think she's a "right-wing nut-job"

    An example of a probably reasonable person driven a bit mad by social media. Very unlikely to be any happier for it but it has made the likes of Musk and Zuckerburg a fortune. Tax and regulate the pushers.
    I'm profoundly grateful that social media did not really take off massively until I was at and after university, and so it basically passed me by.

    Whereas my 76 year old dad is never off Facebook somehow.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,925
    Battlebus said:

    Chris Mason on 6 o clock news saying Rob the plumber winning Makerfield sends Labour into a (death?) spiral.

    BBC are culling their news team. Wonder if he is on the list?
    Don't tell him, Chris
  • https://x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/2067273406622646355

    "I'm considered racist. I'm considered right-wing. I'm neither.

    "I've got brown grandchildren, and I've got a black, Namibian goddaughter."

    This Reform-turned-Restore voter in Makerfield says her family think she's a "right-wing nut-job"

    An example of a probably reasonable person driven a bit mad by social media. Very unlikely to be any happier for it but it has made the likes of Musk and Zuckerburg a fortune. Tax and regulate the pushers.
    If social media didn’t exist, what would she be saying?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,913

    Peruvian election

    About 175,000–180,000 votes remain unresolved, and Keiko Fujimori leads by 36,889 votes.

    After losing 3 times on around 48-49.5% of the vote I'd almost want her to win just for sake of feeling sorry at her for getting so close.

    But then Peruvian politics seems to be absolutely barmy, so a) I'd have no idea who might be better for them or b) any confidence whoever wins will still be there in a year.

  • kle4 said:

    Burnham is home and dry.

    He’s got spunk. And balls.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,362

    Still think this England side will get flattened by Aus

    You were on NZ 3-0 winners last week! Tricky game for England with five changes, for reasons. As ever, wait until both teams have had a bat.
    I was and that was wrong but my fundamental opinion remains the same. This side are poor.
    The worst England Test side in the best part of 25 years.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,798
    a
    kle4 said:

    Peruvian election

    About 175,000–180,000 votes remain unresolved, and Keiko Fujimori leads by 36,889 votes.

    After losing 3 times on around 48-49.5% of the vote I'd almost want her to win just for sake of feeling sorry at her for getting so close.

    But then Peruvian politics seems to be absolutely barmy, so a) I'd have no idea who might be better for them or b) any confidence whoever wins will still be there in a year.

    The choice is between bad and… bad.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,913
    Andy_JS said:

    https://x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/2067273406622646355

    "I'm considered racist. I'm considered right-wing. I'm neither.

    "I've got brown grandchildren, and I've got a black, Namibian goddaughter."

    This Reform-turned-Restore voter in Makerfield says her family think she's a "right-wing nut-job"

    I think Restore will struggle to get more than 5% tomorrow.
    5% would be something, given they were basically unknown beyond political anoraks, being a minor vehicle for someone kicked out of Reform. But they've set their own expectations preposterously high, and convinced a load of american right wingers that they are on the cusp of taking over the UK, so 5% would be quite the disappointment after that.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,999
    kle4 said:

    boulay said:

    This is why I never want Portugal to win things with the theatrics and play acting. They are truly the worst team in the world for it.

    That is up against some seriously stiff competition.

    The ones that get me are the ones who scream and then pretend to be weeping in agony - it's not convincing, and they usually get a foul without it (even genuine fouls), so I really don't know why players add that level of theatricality which just harms their dignity to no benefit.

    Saw one faking the other day (someone stepped on their foot after winning the ball, probably hurt a bit but that's football), everyone played on, and they faced the difficult choice of what to do. In the end they just laid down for around a minute, at which point the ref kind of had to stop play and make sure they really were ok, but that's real dedication to take out nearly 1% of your entire match because you're too embarrassed to get up when the faking didn't work.
    I have seen a few broken legs etc at Leicester. When players are genuinely injured they lie still, apart from signalling with a hand for help. Anyone rolling or thrashing about is faking it. They confirm this when they sprint away immediately afterwards.

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,913

    One of the most humiliating episodes in American history frankly and one that will cause massive problems for years to come:

    Andrew Neil
    @afneil

    The US has circulated its version of the Memo of Understanding with Iran to G7 leaders in France. It’s as bad if not worse than expected.

    ...

    America will now become a partner with the tyrants of Tehran, who Trump only recently wanted to overthrow, in rebuilding their economy.


    When Trump insisted the war would only end with ‘unconditional surrender’ it never crossed my mind he meant his own.

    https://x.com/afneil/status/2067264423660556777

    Trump did not want to overthrow the Iranian regime, or not until he was talked into it. That was the Neocons. No foreign wars, no forced regime changes was part of Trump's MAGA schtick.
    He certainly leapt on it when offered though, so I doubt he believed his own schtick. It just sounded better.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,913
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    boulay said:

    This is why I never want Portugal to win things with the theatrics and play acting. They are truly the worst team in the world for it.

    That is up against some seriously stiff competition.

    The ones that get me are the ones who scream and then pretend to be weeping in agony - it's not convincing, and they usually get a foul without it (even genuine fouls), so I really don't know why players add that level of theatricality which just harms their dignity to no benefit.

    Saw one faking the other day (someone stepped on their foot after winning the ball, probably hurt a bit but that's football), everyone played on, and they faced the difficult choice of what to do. In the end they just laid down for around a minute, at which point the ref kind of had to stop play and make sure they really were ok, but that's real dedication to take out nearly 1% of your entire match because you're too embarrassed to get up when the faking didn't work.
    I have seen a few broken legs etc at Leicester. When players are genuinely injured they lie still, apart from signalling with a hand for help. Anyone rolling or thrashing about is faking it. They confirm this when they sprint away immediately afterwards.

    Yes, when a player actually gets injured everyone reacts very differently. Poor commentators are obviously not allowed to say someone is out and out faking, so they have to be euphemistic about making a meal of it etc.

    It's embarrassing and I don't know a single fan of the game who likes it, yet it's just accepted as part of the game, like timewasting* and Fifa being corrupt, even though since everyone hates it it should be easy to stop.

    *which the world cup has, sporadically, actually tried to address, to their credit. Albeit consistently would be better.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,999

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    My pet hate is when I get a long pdf of the accounts for the charities that I am Trustee of. The AI comments that it is a long document and would I want a one page summary. The answer is No, I want the detail.

    I am yet to find AI useful for anything yet it is drowning us in slop, that gets in the way of real content.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,105
    edited 6:53PM
    England are playing Croatia in an air-conditioned stadium - will the still have advert hydration breaks?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,913

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    Companies are so desperate to make use of it and justify what they spend on it that they insist upon it well beyond what is useful. I genuinely wouldn't get as mad if it at least let you choose to activate such things, but when I'm getting prompted to use AI to draft my email when I just want to say "Yes, that date is fine" it's just irritating - let me know it's there, and how to turn to it when I want.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,857
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    boulay said:

    This is why I never want Portugal to win things with the theatrics and play acting. They are truly the worst team in the world for it.

    That is up against some seriously stiff competition.

    The ones that get me are the ones who scream and then pretend to be weeping in agony - it's not convincing, and they usually get a foul without it (even genuine fouls), so I really don't know why players add that level of theatricality which just harms their dignity to no benefit.

    Saw one faking the other day (someone stepped on their foot after winning the ball, probably hurt a bit but that's football), everyone played on, and they faced the difficult choice of what to do. In the end they just laid down for around a minute, at which point the ref kind of had to stop play and make sure they really were ok, but that's real dedication to take out nearly 1% of your entire match because you're too embarrassed to get up when the faking didn't work.
    I have seen a few broken legs etc at Leicester. When players are genuinely injured they lie still, apart from signalling with a hand for help. Anyone rolling or thrashing about is faking it. They confirm this when they sprint away immediately afterwards.

    Yes, when a player actually gets injured everyone reacts very differently. Poor commentators are obviously not allowed to say someone is out and out faking, so they have to be euphemistic about making a meal of it etc.

    It's embarrassing and I don't know a single fan of the game who likes it, yet it's just accepted as part of the game, like timewasting* and Fifa being corrupt, even though since everyone hates it it should be easy to stop.

    *which the world cup has, sporadically, actually tried to address, to their credit. Albeit consistently would be better.
    I may be wrong, but it seems in every other sport, people try and pretend they're *not* hurt, because they don't want the other team to see them as weaker.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,913
    Foxy said:

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    My pet hate is when I get a long pdf of the accounts for the charities that I am Trustee of. The AI comments that it is a long document and would I want a one page summary. The answer is No, I want the detail.

    I am yet to find AI useful for anything yet it is drowning us in slop, that gets in the way of real content.
    I did get some use out of AI the other day in figuring our steps to make an old game which has not been maintained work, as the answer is usually buried in some ancient reddit thread somewhere, but that's mainly a consequence of Google Search actually being pretty shit now (the consequences of monopoly perhaps) and the AI search actually being functional.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,975

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    It's almost like they've forgotten all the lessons they (should have) learnt from the infuriating paperclip 20 odd years ago.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,913

    England are playing Croatia in an air-conditioned stadium - will the still have advert hydration breaks?

    I feel like there must be a part of the Fifa agreement with the US broadcasters as part of the world cup deal, that they must break the game up into quarters to make it more accessible to casual US viewers.

    If it is not part of the deal then it was probably an unofficial part of it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,999
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    boulay said:

    This is why I never want Portugal to win things with the theatrics and play acting. They are truly the worst team in the world for it.

    That is up against some seriously stiff competition.

    The ones that get me are the ones who scream and then pretend to be weeping in agony - it's not convincing, and they usually get a foul without it (even genuine fouls), so I really don't know why players add that level of theatricality which just harms their dignity to no benefit.

    Saw one faking the other day (someone stepped on their foot after winning the ball, probably hurt a bit but that's football), everyone played on, and they faced the difficult choice of what to do. In the end they just laid down for around a minute, at which point the ref kind of had to stop play and make sure they really were ok, but that's real dedication to take out nearly 1% of your entire match because you're too embarrassed to get up when the faking didn't work.
    I have seen a few broken legs etc at Leicester. When players are genuinely injured they lie still, apart from signalling with a hand for help. Anyone rolling or thrashing about is faking it. They confirm this when they sprint away immediately afterwards.

    Yes, when a player actually gets injured everyone reacts very differently. Poor commentators are obviously not allowed to say someone is out and out faking, so they have to be euphemistic about making a meal of it etc.

    It's embarrassing and I don't know a single fan of the game who likes it, yet it's just accepted as part of the game, like timewasting* and Fifa being corrupt, even though since everyone hates it it should be easy to stop.

    *which the world cup has, sporadically, actually tried to address, to their credit. Albeit consistently would be better.
    The worst timewasting that I have seen at Leicester was from Burnley. They were a goal up and one of their players was tackled (fairly) on the touchline and fell over. They then rolled over several times so they were back ON the pitch, then thrashed around like a dying fish. The physio came on and they wasted about 5 minutes.

  • Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    It is overhyped rubbish. And won’t replace any/many jobs.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,913
    theProle said:

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    It's almost like they've forgotten all the lessons they (should have) learnt from the infuriating paperclip 20 odd years ago.
    What would be funny is if all the companies competing to spend the most on AI models and datacentres go through all this, and then it turns out to be pretty easy and cheap (relatively) to create new ones to compete, meaning the big boys cannot reap the rewards anywhere near as much as they think they will as they won't be able to dominate.
  • Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    That's the big issue, AI is good at some things but it's being forced into areas where it's just a pain in the arse and adds no value. Microsoft at least has started to reverse this and is steadily removing most of the pointless Copilot integration.

    As for it going away, well OpenAI lost $34bn last year, $20bn of that just on general operations. They are a financial basket case, and Anthropic is little better.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,889

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    It is overhyped rubbish. And won’t replace any/many jobs.
    Certainly not the way most average companies seem to be going about it, which appears to be little more than:

    - buy a load of Copilot licences
    - repeatedly tell your employees to get using AI
    - ??????
    - profit!
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,999
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    My pet hate is when I get a long pdf of the accounts for the charities that I am Trustee of. The AI comments that it is a long document and would I want a one page summary. The answer is No, I want the detail.

    I am yet to find AI useful for anything yet it is drowning us in slop, that gets in the way of real content.
    I did get some use out of AI the other day in figuring our steps to make an old game which has not been maintained work, as the answer is usually buried in some ancient reddit thread somewhere, but that's mainly a consequence of Google Search actually being pretty shit now (the consequences of monopoly perhaps) and the AI search actually being functional.
    Google is now deliberately shit. They know that if you find your search result quickly then you aren't looking at their adverts for long. If they string you along with poor results and paid for placings they get more adverts.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,105
    Foxy said:

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    My pet hate is when I get a long pdf of the accounts for the charities that I am Trustee of. The AI comments that it is a long document and would I want a one page summary. The answer is No, I want the detail.

    I am yet to find AI useful for anything yet it is drowning us in slop, that gets in the way of real content.
    I'm finding AI (Gemini) useful in all sorts of simple ways in connection with our self-build; e.g. clarifying building regulation specifics, comparing materials, even helping selecting the right plants for specific garden locations.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,985
    edited 7:09PM
    boulay said:

    This is why I never want Portugal to win things with the theatrics and play acting. They are truly the worst team in the world for it.

    Congo seemed to be the better team overall.

    Is it just me, or have most of the so-called minnows at this World Cup played rather well, even if they ended up losing?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,320
    Sky

    Burnham 'would reject' cabinet job
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,985

    England are playing Croatia in an air-conditioned stadium - will the still have advert hydration breaks?

    Yep, like all the previous matches in AC venues in the last week.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,995

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    That's the big issue, AI is good at some things but it's being forced into areas where it's just a pain in the arse and adds no value. Microsoft at least has started to reverse this and is steadily removing most of the pointless Copilot integration.

    As for it going away, well OpenAI lost $34bn last year, $20bn of that just on general operations. They are a financial basket case, and Anthropic is little better.
    There is a bit of a grassroots pushback over here on social media telling restaurants and similar to stop using AI for their photos and posts as it’s obvious and people want to see the actual food as done and frankly it would possibly/likely look better.

    Authenticity might limit AI in a lot of areas. Music too - AI might produce the odd good tune but I think people still like the idea of people making and performing music.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,374
    nico67 said:

    https://x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/2067273406622646355

    "I'm considered racist. I'm considered right-wing. I'm neither.

    "I've got brown grandchildren, and I've got a black, Namibian goddaughter."

    This Reform-turned-Restore voter in Makerfield says her family think she's a "right-wing nut-job"

    So she’s voting for a party that would happily deport members of her family . What a vile stupid woman .
    Its the taxi driver ranting about black people but "that Frank Bruno is alright" syndrome.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,638
    Think of the energy used up to air condition a stadium. Good thing America is awash with oil
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,999

    boulay said:

    This is why I never want Portugal to win things with the theatrics and play acting. They are truly the worst team in the world for it.

    Congo seemed to be the better team overall.

    Is it just me, or have most of the so-called minnows at this World Cup played rather well, even if they ended up losing?
    DRC looked good, I think AFCON has been very positive in improving the standard of African football. It has always had a bit of flair, but seems to have gained consistency and skill. I am sure in part from players playing in the top European leagues.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,057

    Sky

    Burnham 'would reject' cabinet job

    He's the most entitled politician since Hillary Clinton.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,374
    boulay said:

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    That's the big issue, AI is good at some things but it's being forced into areas where it's just a pain in the arse and adds no value. Microsoft at least has started to reverse this and is steadily removing most of the pointless Copilot integration.

    As for it going away, well OpenAI lost $34bn last year, $20bn of that just on general operations. They are a financial basket case, and Anthropic is little better.
    There is a bit of a grassroots pushback over here on social media telling restaurants and similar to stop using AI for their photos and posts as it’s obvious and people want to see the actual food as done and frankly it would possibly/likely look better.

    Authenticity might limit AI in a lot of areas. Music too - AI might produce the odd good tune but I think people still like the idea of people making and performing music.
    Yes, our village hall committee used AI to design some posters, including ones promoting the businesses who sponsor them. Our shop was portrayed as selling loads of stuff we don't sell, and the burger van at the end of the village was transformed into a restaurant. When we queried it they "hadn't noticed" the issue...
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,985
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    My pet hate is when I get a long pdf of the accounts for the charities that I am Trustee of. The AI comments that it is a long document and would I want a one page summary. The answer is No, I want the detail.

    I am yet to find AI useful for anything yet it is drowning us in slop, that gets in the way of real content.
    I did get some use out of AI the other day in figuring our steps to make an old game which has not been maintained work, as the answer is usually buried in some ancient reddit thread somewhere, but that's mainly a consequence of Google Search actually being pretty shit now (the consequences of monopoly perhaps) and the AI search actually being functional.
    Google is now deliberately shit. They know that if you find your search result quickly then you aren't looking at their adverts for long. If they string you along with poor results and paid for placings they get more adverts.
    Bing is even shitter!
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,057
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    My pet hate is when I get a long pdf of the accounts for the charities that I am Trustee of. The AI comments that it is a long document and would I want a one page summary. The answer is No, I want the detail.

    I am yet to find AI useful for anything yet it is drowning us in slop, that gets in the way of real content.
    I did get some use out of AI the other day in figuring our steps to make an old game which has not been maintained work, as the answer is usually buried in some ancient reddit thread somewhere, but that's mainly a consequence of Google Search actually being pretty shit now (the consequences of monopoly perhaps) and the AI search actually being functional.
    Google is now deliberately shit. They know that if you find your search result quickly then you aren't looking at their adverts for long. If they string you along with poor results and paid for placings they get more adverts.
    They must rely on people like Peter Murrell.

    - We see you just bought a kettle. Would you be interested buying another kettle?
    - Yes please!
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,638

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    My pet hate is when I get a long pdf of the accounts for the charities that I am Trustee of. The AI comments that it is a long document and would I want a one page summary. The answer is No, I want the detail.

    I am yet to find AI useful for anything yet it is drowning us in slop, that gets in the way of real content.
    I did get some use out of AI the other day in figuring our steps to make an old game which has not been maintained work, as the answer is usually buried in some ancient reddit thread somewhere, but that's mainly a consequence of Google Search actually being pretty shit now (the consequences of monopoly perhaps) and the AI search actually being functional.
    Google is now deliberately shit. They know that if you find your search result quickly then you aren't looking at their adverts for long. If they string you along with poor results and paid for placings they get more adverts.
    Bing is even shitter!
    Use the Orion browser and Kagi for search.Ok, it's a subscription service but no ads and no personal data ...

  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,373

    https://x.com/politicsjoe_uk/status/2067273406622646355

    "I'm considered racist. I'm considered right-wing. I'm neither.

    "I've got brown grandchildren, and I've got a black, Namibian goddaughter."

    This Reform-turned-Restore voter in Makerfield says her family think she's a "right-wing nut-job"

    An example of a probably reasonable person driven a bit mad by social media. Very unlikely to be any happier for it but it has made the likes of Musk and Zuckerburg a fortune. Tax and regulate the pushers.
    Deep character analysis there from someone who hasn't read a single word she's ever said beyond the three lines above, none of which are 'a bit mad'.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,063

    Sky

    Burnham 'would reject' cabinet job

    He might not even win
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,055
    edited 7:27PM

    Sky

    Burnham 'would reject' cabinet job

    He's the most entitled politician since Hillary Clinton.
    What has Hillary Clinton got to do with Burnham's entitlement and lack of self awareness?

    Never mind the Clintons when it comes to downright corruption and Epstein related entitlement your orange boy takes the cake.

    Re: Burnham; can I introduce you to Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,348
    Brixian59 said:

    Still think this England side will get flattened by Aus

    You were on NZ 3-0 winners last week! Tricky game for England with five changes, for reasons. As ever, wait until both teams have had a bat.
    I was and that was wrong but my fundamental opinion remains the same. This side are poor.
    The worst England Test side in the best part of 25 years.
    Nope. Under Root around 2021 we won 1 match in 17.
  • England are playing Croatia in an air-conditioned stadium - will the still have advert hydration breaks?

    Yep, like all the previous matches in AC venues in the last week.
    Stadiums can have air conditioning? Outside?
  • Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    It is overhyped rubbish. And won’t replace any/many jobs.
    Certainly not the way most average companies seem to be going about it, which appears to be little more than:

    - buy a load of Copilot licences
    - repeatedly tell your employees to get using AI
    - ??????
    - profit!
    I basically made this point here and was told I was using it wrong. Even though how I use it is how 99% of people use it.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,638

    Sky

    Burnham 'would reject' cabinet job

    He's the most entitled politician since Hillary Clinton.
    What has Hillary Clinton got to do with Burnham's entitlement and lack of self awareness?

    Never mind the Clintons when it comes to downright corruption and Epstein related entitlement your orange boy takes the cake.
    Cake .. or biscuit?

  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,999

    England are playing Croatia in an air-conditioned stadium - will the still have advert hydration breaks?

    Yep, like all the previous matches in AC venues in the last week.
    Stadiums can have air conditioning? Outside?
    It has a roof.
  • On social media ban, Badenoch is quite good on the technical stuff. More so than most politicians.
  • Foxy said:

    England are playing Croatia in an air-conditioned stadium - will the still have advert hydration breaks?

    Yep, like all the previous matches in AC venues in the last week.
    Stadiums can have air conditioning? Outside?
    It has a roof.
    Why though
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,348
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    boulay said:

    This is why I never want Portugal to win things with the theatrics and play acting. They are truly the worst team in the world for it.

    That is up against some seriously stiff competition.

    The ones that get me are the ones who scream and then pretend to be weeping in agony - it's not convincing, and they usually get a foul without it (even genuine fouls), so I really don't know why players add that level of theatricality which just harms their dignity to no benefit.

    Saw one faking the other day (someone stepped on their foot after winning the ball, probably hurt a bit but that's football), everyone played on, and they faced the difficult choice of what to do. In the end they just laid down for around a minute, at which point the ref kind of had to stop play and make sure they really were ok, but that's real dedication to take out nearly 1% of your entire match because you're too embarrassed to get up when the faking didn't work.
    I have seen a few broken legs etc at Leicester. When players are genuinely injured they lie still, apart from signalling with a hand for help. Anyone rolling or thrashing about is faking it. They confirm this when they sprint away immediately afterwards.

    Yes, when a player actually gets injured everyone reacts very differently. Poor commentators are obviously not allowed to say someone is out and out faking, so they have to be euphemistic about making a meal of it etc.

    It's embarrassing and I don't know a single fan of the game who likes it, yet it's just accepted as part of the game, like timewasting* and Fifa being corrupt, even though since everyone hates it it should be easy to stop.

    *which the world cup has, sporadically, actually tried to address, to their credit. Albeit consistently would be better.
    The worst timewasting that I have seen at Leicester was from Burnley. They were a goal up and one of their players was tackled (fairly) on the touchline and fell over. They then rolled over several times so they were back ON the pitch, then thrashed around like a dying fish. The physio came on and they wasted about 5 minutes.

    Spanish PhD I knew who had been in the system at Real Madrid explained that it's now so embedded in the system that if they don't play it up it's assumed no foul has occured. So they keep doing it.
    Worrying signs it may be creeping into rugby of late, with players emphasizing when a head contact has been made. I hope I'm wrong on this.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,057
    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/2067276954324140095

    "I've told you I'm voting for you — but if you knock on my door again I might fucking think twice."

    A Labour activist's story from Makerfield today.

    Much of Westminster thinks Burnham has already won. I'm not so convinced.
    Piece from me on why.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,280

    Foxy said:

    England are playing Croatia in an air-conditioned stadium - will the still have advert hydration breaks?

    Yep, like all the previous matches in AC venues in the last week.
    Stadiums can have air conditioning? Outside?
    It has a roof.
    Why though
    They apparently haven't learned that you should play football in the winter
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,607
    Any predictions for England game in half an hour?

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,074
    Burnham will get a personal vote but past recall for his Mayoral election is not the same as being willing to vote Labour even with him this time. Reform and Restore were also not a factor in his Mayoral elections, I expect him to win but with less than 50%
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,290

    Any predictions for England game in half an hour?

    2-1 England.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,348

    Any predictions for England game in half an hour?

    Boredom and a scrappy 1-1 draw.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,055
    edited 7:46PM

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/2067276954324140095

    "I've told you I'm voting for you — but if you knock on my door again I might fucking think twice."

    A Labour activist's story from Makerfield today.

    Much of Westminster thinks Burnham has already won. I'm not so convinced.
    Piece from me on why.

    We're all rooting for your boy, the misogynist.

    The comedy value from a Burnham loss would be immense.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,348

    Foxy said:

    England are playing Croatia in an air-conditioned stadium - will the still have advert hydration breaks?

    Yep, like all the previous matches in AC venues in the last week.
    Stadiums can have air conditioning? Outside?
    It has a roof.
    Why though
    Why does the millennium stadium in Wales have a roof? Because they can, and because it means perfect conditions for playing sport.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,607
    Andy_JS said:

    Any predictions for England game in half an hour?

    2-1 England.
    I agree
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,055

    Foxy said:

    England are playing Croatia in an air-conditioned stadium - will the still have advert hydration breaks?

    Yep, like all the previous matches in AC venues in the last week.
    Stadiums can have air conditioning? Outside?
    It has a roof.
    Why though
    Why does the millennium stadium in Wales have a roof? Because they can, and because it means perfect conditions for playing sport.
    And it always rains in Cardiff.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,024
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    My pet hate is when I get a long pdf of the accounts for the charities that I am Trustee of. The AI comments that it is a long document and would I want a one page summary. The answer is No, I want the detail.

    I am yet to find AI useful for anything yet it is drowning us in slop, that gets in the way of real content.
    I did get some use out of AI the other day in figuring our steps to make an old game which has not been maintained work, as the answer is usually buried in some ancient reddit thread somewhere, but that's mainly a consequence of Google Search actually being pretty shit now (the consequences of monopoly perhaps) and the AI search actually being functional.
    Google is now deliberately shit. They know that if you find your search result quickly then you aren't looking at their adverts for long. If they string you along with poor results and paid for placings they get more adverts.
    It's the old adage that if you're paying, you're a customer. If you're not, you're a product.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,995

    Foxy said:

    England are playing Croatia in an air-conditioned stadium - will the still have advert hydration breaks?

    Yep, like all the previous matches in AC venues in the last week.
    Stadiums can have air conditioning? Outside?
    It has a roof.
    Why though
    Why does the millennium stadium in Wales have a roof? Because they can, and because it means perfect conditions for playing sport.
    And it always rains in Cardiff.
    Is it God crying over his mistake?
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,524

    Foxy said:

    England are playing Croatia in an air-conditioned stadium - will the still have advert hydration breaks?

    Yep, like all the previous matches in AC venues in the last week.
    Stadiums can have air conditioning? Outside?
    It has a roof.
    Why though
    Why does the millennium stadium in Wales have a roof? Because they can, and because it means perfect conditions for playing sport.
    And I believe it costs less than £10 (ten) to close it as it’s on a sophisticated roller system that goes on momentum once the inertia is overcome.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,063

    Evening from Spoons. I may be an AI luddite. I am utterly sick of having it rammed down my throat. A few examples:

    1) Accounting platforms where it gives you suggestions for what the transaction may be which are almost always wrong. Takes longer to delete what Quickbooks / Sage / Revolut / Tide have autocompleted than to just do it directly
    2) YouTube Studio. I am offered "comment reply suggestions" to most comments left on my channel. Can't switch this feature off, uses screen space, especially on mobile
    3) Have just completed a trial of Monday.com for my business. Spent c. 8 hours on it, plus a few more doing planning etc. Trial about to expire so lets set our subscription. Not only do they force you to pay for users you don't have, you must buy AI tokens for those people you don't have. And in 2 weeks the number of AI tokens we have used on trial is zero. A cost increase of 50%. And of course you can't opt out. Other than binning the entire platform which we have now done
    4) Microsoft won't let you remove Copilot. Endless intrusion on apps like Powerpoint, even down to the minor irritation of having to dock the logo thing so its not on the slides I am working on. WhatsApp won't even let you do that - the Meta AI symbol takes up screen space and you can't remove it

    I'm being driven mad by AI. Please make it go away.

    It is overhyped rubbish. And won’t replace any/many jobs.
    Certainly not the way most average companies seem to be going about it, which appears to be little more than:

    - buy a load of Copilot licences
    - repeatedly tell your employees to get using AI
    - ??????
    - profit!
    I basically made this point here and was told I was using it wrong. Even though how I use it is how 99% of people use it.
    The frontier AI models are absolutely amazing. They are just not good enough to be autonomous at present.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,057

    https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/2067276954324140095

    "I've told you I'm voting for you — but if you knock on my door again I might fucking think twice."

    A Labour activist's story from Makerfield today.

    Much of Westminster thinks Burnham has already won. I'm not so convinced.
    Piece from me on why.

    We're all rooting for your boy, the misogynist.

    The comedy value from a Burnham loss would be immense.
    You’re only saying what we’re all thinking.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,024

    Sky

    Burnham 'would reject' cabinet job

    He's the most entitled politician since Hillary Clinton.
    What has Hillary Clinton got to do with Burnham's entitlement and lack of self awareness?

    Never mind the Clintons when it comes to downright corruption and Epstein related entitlement your orange boy takes the cake.

    Re: Burnham; can I introduce you to Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage?
    If you want history to rhyme, StarmerMay is about to be replaced by BurnhamJohnson. Worse government, better politics because that's what the fans want.

    Same ego and bullying entitlement, different accent. And-please- slightly more honesty and morality.
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