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  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,299

    nico67 said:

    Parents better keep a close eye on their credit cards as their kids find ways to overcome the social media ban !

    Parents may not even enforce it and it raises the question what will the law do then ?
    If this version is rubbish is Kemi's version good?
    I support the ban having seen it's effects but ask a practical question
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,971
    edited 1:38PM
    Cookie said:

    I'm not fully in one camp or the other on the social media ban. However, I've realised I'm utterly relaxed about it because, like almost everything the government announces, it's going to be backtracked-on, u-turned, u-turned again, filibustered and ultimately abandoned.

    The flaw in your logic is that such is their competence, they'll probably end up with legislation to ban it for adults, whilst mandating special classes to promote it to 8 year olds.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,540

    On the subject of jobs and the recruitment system not working, a proposal.

    A Job Fair with a difference. At each employers stand, you talk (as usual) with some people for the company. If they like what you say in 1-2minutes of conversation, they book you in for a first round interview. A slot, in a side room, *that day*. That evening, you get a go/no-go for the second round.

    Job fairs are a minority sport.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,359
    edited 1:45PM

    From AI:

    The specific mandated charges that would disappear include:
    Renewables Obligation (RO): ~15% of the bill
    Contracts for Difference (CfD): ~6% of the bill
    Feed-in Tariffs (FiT): ~4% of the bill
    Climate Change Levy (CCL): ~3% of the bill (currently billed at 0.801p per kWh)
    Capacity Market (CM) & RAB Nuclear Levy: ~3% to 4% of the bill


    I don’t know how much of these could be removed without the government breaching commercial contracts.

    Gemini reckons you’d get a roughly 30% reduction in commercial electricity cost if you cut the above which is not insignificant. The treasury would need to find £5b in revenue from elsewhere.

    Damned stupid that we have any additional charges on electricity at all given we want businesses to move to consuming more of it relative to oil, gas, fuel etc. Shift that cost onto fossil fuels if you want to retain the revenue.

    The small manufacturing firm I have personal exposure has moved to as much solar and battery as possible - only makes a minor dent in costs because their consumption is so high but the ROI is great given the cost of getting it from the grid.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,943
    I am not entirely convinced by this argument in terms of mapping the performance onto the UK as a whole, but the statistics are pretty clear, and a little embarrassing for the Brexit camp.

    Northern Ireland remaining in the EU single market for goods means we have an entire region running as a counterfactual on how much wealthier we’d have been had we stayed. It’s actually outperformed London.
    https://x.com/b_judah/status/2066400581413908675
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,367

    Labour MP (Feyral Clark) on LBC News wants under 16 exemptions for platforms she likes.

    A youngster was asked how long she had been online over the weekend and said 9 hours

    When asked what she would do if she could not go online she said 'stare at the wall'

    One despairs
    God forbid they properly interacted with other teenagers in person !
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,971
    Eabhal said:

    From AI:

    The specific mandated charges that would disappear include:
    Renewables Obligation (RO): ~15% of the bill
    Contracts for Difference (CfD): ~6% of the bill
    Feed-in Tariffs (FiT): ~4% of the bill
    Climate Change Levy (CCL): ~3% of the bill (currently billed at 0.801p per kWh)
    Capacity Market (CM) & RAB Nuclear Levy: ~3% to 4% of the bill


    I don’t know how much of these could be removed without the government breaching commercial contracts.

    Gemini reckons you’d get a roughly 30% reduction in commercial electricity cost if you cut the above which is not insignificant. The treasury would need to find £5b in revenue from elsewhere.

    Damned stupid that we have any additional charges on electricity at all given we want businesses to move to consuming more of it relative to oil, gas, fuel etc. Shift that cost onto fossil fuels if you want to retain the revenue.

    The small manufacturing firm I have personal exposure has moved to as much solar and battery as possible - only makes a minor dent in costs because their consumption is so high but the ROI is great given the cost of getting it from the grid.
    The Renewable Obligation costs are worse than the headline numbers. Most of the time, gas generators set the wholesale market price via their prices, which include the RO costs.

    This inflates the wholesale market price for *everyone* by the RO cost, with the inflated price just being a handy bonanza for the renewable generators. It's difficult to think of a worse way they could have designed the system if they actually want to promote electrification.

  • TazTaz Posts: 28,499

    Labour MP (Feyral Clark) on LBC News wants under 16 exemptions for platforms she likes.

    Bluesky ?

    We really are governed by utter morons
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,365
    Dieter Helm and his recent (3/6/26) views. He's not new to this. He's been around for 30 years or so in the energy sector.

    https://dieterhelm.co.uk/energy-climate/the-cost-of-energy-and-what-to-do-about-it/
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,611
    nico67 said:

    Labour MP (Feyral Clark) on LBC News wants under 16 exemptions for platforms she likes.

    A youngster was asked how long she had been online over the weekend and said 9 hours

    When asked what she would do if she could not go online she said 'stare at the wall'

    One despairs
    God forbid they properly interacted with other teenagers in person !
    Can I relate an incident from Friday night? My two youngest daughters play cricket. Practice is on a Friday night; and the session segues seamlessly into a sort of free-for-all of kids playing. We watched this unfolding from the bar on Friday night - 20-30 boys and girls, aged roughly 9-14 engaged in huge games of their own devising. At one point they were all playing British Bulldog.
    Like other humans, kids love interacting with each other in person as much as they ever did. They sometimes just need a bit of a prompt to do so. (When we were young, that prompt was provided by boredom - perhaps the root of our problem is that life isn't boring enough any more!)
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,971
    edited 2:11PM
    nico67 said:

    Labour MP (Feyral Clark) on LBC News wants under 16 exemptions for platforms she likes.

    A youngster was asked how long she had been online over the weekend and said 9 hours

    When asked what she would do if she could not go online she said 'stare at the wall'

    One despairs
    God forbid they properly interacted with other teenagers in person !
    Can't let them do that! Think of the teenage pregnancy rate?
  • eekeek Posts: 34,020
    Taz said:

    Labour MP (Feyral Clark) on LBC News wants under 16 exemptions for platforms she likes.

    Bluesky ?

    We really are governed by utter morons
    Bluesky has an exemption because it's small - but they implemented the required code for Australia so they've already said they will implement it here...
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,499

    Labour MP (Feyral Clark) on LBC News wants under 16 exemptions for platforms she likes.

    A youngster was asked how long she had been online over the weekend and said 9 hours

    When asked what she would do if she could not go online she said 'stare at the wall'

    One despairs
    That’s not the win you think.

    She was smart and articulate. It was clearly a comment to evoke a response
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,499

    Labour MP (Feyral Clark) on LBC News wants under 16 exemptions for platforms she likes.

    A youngster was asked how long she had been online over the weekend and said 9 hours

    When asked what she would do if she could not go online she said 'stare at the wall'

    One despairs
    That’s not the win you think.

    She was smart and articulate. It was clearly a comment to evoke a response
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,766

    On the subject of jobs and the recruitment system not working, a proposal.

    A Job Fair with a difference. At each employers stand, you talk (as usual) with some people for the company. If they like what you say in 1-2minutes of conversation, they book you in for a first round interview. A slot, in a side room, *that day*. That evening, you get a go/no-go for the second round.

    Job fairs are a minority sport.
    Because “online is better”

    Which it isn’t. The online model has failed.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,766

    On the subject of jobs and the recruitment system not working, a proposal.

    A Job Fair with a difference. At each employers stand, you talk (as usual) with some people for the company. If they like what you say in 1-2minutes of conversation, they book you in for a first round interview. A slot, in a side room, *that day*. That evening, you get a go/no-go for the second round.

    Job fairs are a minority sport.
    Because “online is better”

    Which it isn’t. The online model has failed.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,299
    Taz said:

    Labour MP (Feyral Clark) on LBC News wants under 16 exemptions for platforms she likes.

    A youngster was asked how long she had been online over the weekend and said 9 hours

    When asked what she would do if she could not go online she said 'stare at the wall'

    One despairs
    That’s not the win you think.

    She was smart and articulate. It was clearly a comment to evoke a response
    Irrespective it shows the social damage that is happening to our young people and I see that in our own grandchildren

    I am not sure how well it can be policed, but apparently Starmer also wants to restrict access to 16 and 17 year olds but at the same time give them the vote

    Now that really is not thought through
  • eekeek Posts: 34,020

    On the subject of jobs and the recruitment system not working, a proposal.

    A Job Fair with a difference. At each employers stand, you talk (as usual) with some people for the company. If they like what you say in 1-2minutes of conversation, they book you in for a first round interview. A slot, in a side room, *that day*. That evening, you get a go/no-go for the second round.

    Job fairs are a minority sport.
    Because “online is better”

    Which it isn’t. The online model has failed.
    The online model didn't fail, but AI has made it beyond painful for absolutely everyone.

    So I can see real world interactions becoming more and more important..
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,008
    eek said:

    On the subject of jobs and the recruitment system not working, a proposal.

    A Job Fair with a difference. At each employers stand, you talk (as usual) with some people for the company. If they like what you say in 1-2minutes of conversation, they book you in for a first round interview. A slot, in a side room, *that day*. That evening, you get a go/no-go for the second round.

    Job fairs are a minority sport.
    Because “online is better”

    Which it isn’t. The online model has failed.
    The online model didn't fail, but AI has made it beyond painful for absolutely everyone.

    So I can see real world interactions becoming more and more important..
    I am not sure there should be the correlation you suggest. I would ban suicide and self harm sites to anyone under 150 years old, not just under 18s, but they can still keep their vote.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,060
    Pulpstar said:

    From AI:

    The specific mandated charges that would disappear include:
    Renewables Obligation (RO): ~15% of the bill
    Contracts for Difference (CfD): ~6% of the bill
    Feed-in Tariffs (FiT): ~4% of the bill
    Climate Change Levy (CCL): ~3% of the bill (currently billed at 0.801p per kWh)
    Capacity Market (CM) & RAB Nuclear Levy: ~3% to 4% of the bill


    I don’t know how much of these could be removed without the government breaching commercial contracts.

    Gemini reckons you’d get a roughly 30% reduction in commercial electricity cost if you cut the above which is not insignificant. The treasury would need to find £5b in revenue from elsewhere.

    Feed in tariffs can't be phased out of the charge portion because they're baked in from as late as 2019 for 20 years onward as receipts to recipients unless you borrow more generally to fund them. They'll dovetail out and be out completely from 2039 though.
    Mind you they've changed the inflation measure to CPI from RPI unilaterally though which will save them a few pennies.

    Declaration of interest: I'm a recipient of the FIT.
    Well money is fungible. You can fund that expenditure by taxing something else, perhaps something less harmful to the economy.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,766
    eek said:

    On the subject of jobs and the recruitment system not working, a proposal.

    A Job Fair with a difference. At each employers stand, you talk (as usual) with some people for the company. If they like what you say in 1-2minutes of conversation, they book you in for a first round interview. A slot, in a side room, *that day*. That evening, you get a go/no-go for the second round.

    Job fairs are a minority sport.
    Because “online is better”

    Which it isn’t. The online model has failed.
    The online model didn't fail, but AI has made it beyond painful for absolutely everyone.

    So I can see real world interactions becoming more and more important..
    The online model has failed (partly due to AI) - but it was pretty shit before.

  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,673
    Taz said:

    Labour MP (Feyral Clark) on LBC News wants under 16 exemptions for platforms she likes.

    A youngster was asked how long she had been online over the weekend and said 9 hours

    When asked what she would do if she could not go online she said 'stare at the wall'

    One despairs
    That’s not the win you think.

    She was smart and articulate. It was clearly a comment to evoke a response
    Walls are interesting. You just need to know how to see, rather than look !!

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q9BzDAyouug

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qN9aipM437U

    :smiley:
  • eekeek Posts: 34,020

    eek said:

    On the subject of jobs and the recruitment system not working, a proposal.

    A Job Fair with a difference. At each employers stand, you talk (as usual) with some people for the company. If they like what you say in 1-2minutes of conversation, they book you in for a first round interview. A slot, in a side room, *that day*. That evening, you get a go/no-go for the second round.

    Job fairs are a minority sport.
    Because “online is better”

    Which it isn’t. The online model has failed.
    The online model didn't fail, but AI has made it beyond painful for absolutely everyone.

    So I can see real world interactions becoming more and more important..
    I am not sure there should be the correlation you suggest. I would ban suicide and self harm sites to anyone under 150 years old, not just under 18s, but they can still keep their vote.
    You seem to switched context, my comment was regarding @Malmesbury and the fact online recruitment is now failing due to every job advert getting hundreds of AI generated crap applications.

    Every contract I've got over the past 10 years has been by via personal recommendation and from what I'm hearing things have got way worse over the past 18 months.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,008
    eek said:

    eek said:

    On the subject of jobs and the recruitment system not working, a proposal.

    A Job Fair with a difference. At each employers stand, you talk (as usual) with some people for the company. If they like what you say in 1-2minutes of conversation, they book you in for a first round interview. A slot, in a side room, *that day*. That evening, you get a go/no-go for the second round.

    Job fairs are a minority sport.
    Because “online is better”

    Which it isn’t. The online model has failed.
    The online model didn't fail, but AI has made it beyond painful for absolutely everyone.

    So I can see real world interactions becoming more and more important..
    I am not sure there should be the correlation you suggest. I would ban suicide and self harm sites to anyone under 150 years old, not just under 18s, but they can still keep their vote.
    You seem to switched context, my comment was regarding @Malmesbury and the fact online recruitment is now failing due to every job advert getting hundreds of AI generated crap applications.

    Every contract I've got over the past 10 years has been by via personal recommendation and from what I'm hearing things have got way worse over the past 18 months.
    Sorry I was replying to BigG. Not sure how that happened.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,146
    Nigelb said:

    I am not entirely convinced by this argument in terms of mapping the performance onto the UK as a whole, but the statistics are pretty clear, and a little embarrassing for the Brexit camp.

    Northern Ireland remaining in the EU single market for goods means we have an entire region running as a counterfactual on how much wealthier we’d have been had we stayed. It’s actually outperformed London.
    https://x.com/b_judah/status/2066400581413908675

    A few questions come to mind:
    - why from 2015? (makes me instantly suspicious!)
    - what were the trends in previous ten years (has NI been reaping a long term peace dividend?)

    Then there's stuff that could still be seen as Brexit related - mix of industries and trade with ROI for example - that would be useful or unpick the differences and causes.

    Oh, and confidence intervals!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,903
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    Labour MP (Feyral Clark) on LBC News wants under 16 exemptions for platforms she likes.

    A youngster was asked how long she had been online over the weekend and said 9 hours

    When asked what she would do if she could not go online she said 'stare at the wall'

    One despairs
    That’s not the win you think.

    She was smart and articulate. It was clearly a comment to evoke a response
    Walls are interesting. You just need to know how to see, rather than look !!

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q9BzDAyouug

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qN9aipM437U

    :smiley:
    I actually clicked on those, and now I know what a pinfold is and what Shrewsbury prison looks like. Thank you.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,008
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    Labour MP (Feyral Clark) on LBC News wants under 16 exemptions for platforms she likes.

    A youngster was asked how long she had been online over the weekend and said 9 hours

    When asked what she would do if she could not go online she said 'stare at the wall'

    One despairs
    That’s not the win you think.

    She was smart and articulate. It was clearly a comment to evoke a response
    Walls are interesting. You just need to know how to see, rather than look !!

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q9BzDAyouug

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qN9aipM437U

    :smiley:
    Walls (and pillars) are handy diversions for those moments one feels the urge to poop one's pants.

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/did-trump-poop-his-pants-viral-video-of-potus-after-walter-reed-visit-sparks-concern-101779912356060.html
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,008
    edited 2:48PM
    4000 posts in 9 years.

    Starmer needs to ban social media for the under65s.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,329
    Nigelb said:

    I am not entirely convinced by this argument in terms of mapping the performance onto the UK as a whole, but the statistics are pretty clear, and a little embarrassing for the Brexit camp.

    Northern Ireland remaining in the EU single market for goods means we have an entire region running as a counterfactual on how much wealthier we’d have been had we stayed. It’s actually outperformed London.
    https://x.com/b_judah/status/2066400581413908675

    If NI had underperformed, Ben Judah would have been writing about how that was the fault of Brexit. Conclusions first, arguments second. He has form.

    It would be interesting to know the actual reasons for this outperformance, mind.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,766
    carnforth said:

    Nigelb said:

    I am not entirely convinced by this argument in terms of mapping the performance onto the UK as a whole, but the statistics are pretty clear, and a little embarrassing for the Brexit camp.

    Northern Ireland remaining in the EU single market for goods means we have an entire region running as a counterfactual on how much wealthier we’d have been had we stayed. It’s actually outperformed London.
    https://x.com/b_judah/status/2066400581413908675

    If NI had underperformed, Ben Judah would have been writing about how that was the fault of Brexit. Conclusions first, arguments second. He has form.

    It would be interesting to know the actual reasons for this outperformance, mind.
    Northern Ireland has long been really poor. Maybe there is an element of catchup? Would be interesting to see a plot pre-ceasefire, and post ceasefire at the various stages.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,787

    NEW THREAD

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,008
    @eek This is what I had in mind and was replying to.

    Taz said:

    Labour MP (Feyral Clark) on LBC News wants under 16 exemptions for platforms she likes.

    A youngster was asked how long she had been online over the weekend and said 9 hours

    When asked what she would do if she could not go online she said 'stare at the wall'

    One despairs
    That’s not the win you think.

    She was smart and articulate. It was clearly a comment to evoke a response
    Irrespective it shows the social damage that is happening to our young people and I see that in our own grandchildren

    I am not sure how well it can be policed, but apparently Starmer also wants to restrict access to 16 and 17 year olds but at the same time give them the vote

    Now that really is not thought through
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,008

    4000 posts in 9 years.

    Starmer needs to ban social media for the under65s.

    40,000
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,673

    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    Labour MP (Feyral Clark) on LBC News wants under 16 exemptions for platforms she likes.

    A youngster was asked how long she had been online over the weekend and said 9 hours

    When asked what she would do if she could not go online she said 'stare at the wall'

    One despairs
    That’s not the win you think.

    She was smart and articulate. It was clearly a comment to evoke a response
    Walls are interesting. You just need to know how to see, rather than look !!

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q9BzDAyouug

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qN9aipM437U

    :smiley:
    Walls (and pillars) are handy diversions for those moments one feels the urge to poop one's pants.

    https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/us-news/did-trump-poop-his-pants-viral-video-of-potus-after-walter-reed-visit-sparks-concern-101779912356060.html
    Thanks.

    He's great, but in necessarily small but regular doses.

    He's wrong on liking kissing gates, though.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/A9ulxBJ7w0w


  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,017
    Zia Yusuf seeks clarification from the boss of Serco

    https://x.com/ZiaYusufUK/status/2066509662413832452

    If the Telegraph’s reporting is correct, the only reasonable interpretation of Serco’s position is that it now believes itself to be an alternative power base to the duly elected government of the United Kingdom, and is willing to act contrary to the interests of the British electorate.

    If this were true, a Reform government would be left with no choice but to view Serco as a threat to national security.

    I have given Serco until 6pm to clarify their position.

    Should they fail to do so, we will take the following steps to decouple the British Government from Serco:

    1) On forming a Government, we will initiate an accelerated review of all Government contracting with Serco with the aim of removing Serco as a public contractor within our first Parliamentary term.

    2) Where Serco has breached contracts or break clauses are available, we will terminate those contracts and continue to exercise break clauses as they come due.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,400
    Cookie said:

    nico67 said:

    Labour MP (Feyral Clark) on LBC News wants under 16 exemptions for platforms she likes.

    A youngster was asked how long she had been online over the weekend and said 9 hours

    When asked what she would do if she could not go online she said 'stare at the wall'

    One despairs
    God forbid they properly interacted with other teenagers in person !
    Can I relate an incident from Friday night? My two youngest daughters play cricket. Practice is on a Friday night; and the session segues seamlessly into a sort of free-for-all of kids playing. We watched this unfolding from the bar on Friday night - 20-30 boys and girls, aged roughly 9-14 engaged in huge games of their own devising. At one point they were all playing British Bulldog.
    Like other humans, kids love interacting with each other in person as much as they ever did. They sometimes just need a bit of a prompt to do so. (When we were young, that prompt was provided by boredom - perhaps the root of our problem is that life isn't boring enough any more!)
    Your last point is, I think, spot on.

    More generally you can claim that technology in general seeks to remove the friction from life, but it's often in the friction that interesting things happen. I'm not wanting to turn the clock back, but I think we could do with thinking about how much we do things just because we can, and how we might choose to do things differently.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,883
    eek said:

    eek said:

    Long sentences for these arseholes.

    Good.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce950111xk7o

    The sentences are fine - but the jurors should have been told what they were actually charged without the terrorism bits hidden from them.
    Mitigating and aggravating factors aren't normally put before jurors are they? Indeed its often illegal to do so, as it can prejudice the jury either way.

    Maybe they should be in all cases, but perverse to complain about just this one.
    It isn’t an aggravating factor - it’s a whole different law they’ve been sentenced under. If you are going to use a jury they really should be allowed to decide if it’s terrorism or criminal damage and it should be up to the prosecution to argue the point.

    It bloody is an aggravating factor and that is the law.

    Check sentencing guidelines.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,499
    MattW said:

    Taz said:

    Labour MP (Feyral Clark) on LBC News wants under 16 exemptions for platforms she likes.

    A youngster was asked how long she had been online over the weekend and said 9 hours

    When asked what she would do if she could not go online she said 'stare at the wall'

    One despairs
    That’s not the win you think.

    She was smart and articulate. It was clearly a comment to evoke a response
    Walls are interesting. You just need to know how to see, rather than look !!

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/q9BzDAyouug

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/qN9aipM437U

    :smiley:
    Two things on those videos. And thank you, they are interesting.

    In the first one the guy quotes Alan Partridge - ‘lovely stuff’

    Second is how good the quality is of the videos, in terms of definition. Especially the second one.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,499
    edited 4:03PM

    eek said:

    eek said:

    Long sentences for these arseholes.

    Good.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce950111xk7o

    The sentences are fine - but the jurors should have been told what they were actually charged without the terrorism bits hidden from them.
    Mitigating and aggravating factors aren't normally put before jurors are they? Indeed its often illegal to do so, as it can prejudice the jury either way.

    Maybe they should be in all cases, but perverse to complain about just this one.
    It isn’t an aggravating factor - it’s a whole different law they’ve been sentenced under. If you are going to use a jury they really should be allowed to decide if it’s terrorism or criminal damage and it should be up to the prosecution to argue the point.

    It bloody is an aggravating factor and that is the law.

    Check sentencing guidelines.
    It’s also been used several times before and has been the law for a while.

    Odd it’s only been an issue with the chattering classes now it’s some fluffy, middle class, green types. MC Hammertime aside.
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