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  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,095
    rcs1000 said:

    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    I see that Rubio is now the favourite to be the Republican candidate for the Presidency in 2028.

    It will be a Trump.
    Of the Trumps, Donald is the favourite (20) followed by Ivanka (38) then Eric (70).
    Which Donald?
    Jr :smile:

    Though Donald Senior is at 11 to run again, so he is the favourite Trump. So good point.

  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,556
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    HYUFD said:

    45% for rejoin the EU almost exactly matches Burnham’s vote in Makerfield so no surprise. All the 38% for Stay Out likely voting Reform or Restore.

    Still less than half for Rejoin though and over 10% DK. As a poll last week showed if Rejoin required joining the Euro and Schengen then Stay Out would retake the lead

    A poll that lists arguments for one side of a debate only isn’t of much value. Also, it seems unlikely that, should the UK rejoin, that Schengen would be a requirement.
    We should be in Schengen regardless of EU membership.

    Being outside hardly achieves the objective of securing our borders.
    We should certainly not be in Schengen, either inside or outside the EU.

    I am a big advocate for freedom of movement. The Government (no Government here or in the EU) should be telling law abiding people who are no threat to the country where they can or cannot travel and how long they can stay. So unless people pose a threat to public safety or the country as a whole we should not be forbidding them from entering the country.

    But Schengen is about removing the ability to control who does and does not cross your borders. It is a direct risk to public and national safety. Why do you think that, after a terrorist attack, the first thing France, Belgium and Germany have done in the past is to suspend Schengen? Why is it that right now Schengen is suspended for Austria, Denmark, Italy, The Netherlands, Germany, Poland, Sweden, France, Switzerland and Norway? All cite criminal and terror threats.

    Schengen facilitates criminal activity and terrorism. Lets have freedom of movement but consign Schengen to the dustbin.
    Schengen is a no-brainer (yes!) if you are in continental Europe and a no-brainer (no!) if you are on an archipeligo.

    Not sure about the first part. Partial-brainer, maybe.
    Clearly it isn't a no brainer for many Governments inside the EU.

    France for example reintroduced border checks in 2015 and has never lifted them. They reapply to the EU every 6 months for an extension and it is always granted. Effectively France has been outside Schengen for the last 11 years.
    Oh come now. They may have occasional checks on major roads but no-one's stopping the average motorist or an illegal immigrant or a gun-runner walking across fields. Not really "effectively outside Schengen".

    If I fly to Basel and hire a car, will I be routinely stopped entering France?
    I have no idea. I travelled often around Europe before Schengen even existed and regularly crossed borders without being checked. In the last decade I have travelled within the supposed Schengen area by train and have been checked at borders.

    What I do know is that France has suspended Shcngen for the last 11 years so that it has the right to stop and check people at its borders and it has used that right. Same for a number of other EU states. They recognise what you apparently do not - that Schengen is a threat to their citizens. I see no prospect of that changing in the foreseeable future.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,915

    IanB2 said:

    Entirely predictable, now that people have discovered that far from solving all our problems as was dishonestly promised or implied, Brexit has actually made some of them worse.

    That's the fault of Bozo and his gang, not the concept of Brexit.
    In your opinion.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,967
    Pssst, Pete Hesgeth has skinny old alkies legs, pass it on.

    https://x.com/rpsagainsttrump/status/2065418635221303549?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,057
    Scott_xP said:

    @christinalamb

    Is Scotland going to be first European team to win a match in #WorldCup2026 ?

    Hope so. This is our WC. When you look at both Brazil and Morocco you think 1 point would be a result. Scotland need 3 points tonight to have any prospect of progressing. Going to be a little tense, I fear.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,915

    Not many The Wizard of Oz fans on here I see.

    I hear Toto, I think Wolff
    I hear the drums echoing tonight.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,758
    World's gone mad.

    Brentford's striker is the number 1 striker for Brazil in the world cup.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,600
    Morocco are brilliant! I had no idea they were this good. My new favourite team.
    Same old Brazil, always cheating. Booo.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,758
    Cookie said:

    Morocco are brilliant! I had no idea they were this good. My new favourite team.
    Same old Brazil, always cheating. Booo.

    Nah, Morocco are evil, they cheated all the way in AFCON.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,057
    edited June 13

    World's gone mad.

    Brentford's striker is the number 1 striker for Brazil in the world cup.

    Ahead of Cunha as well.

    Morocco are all over Brazil like a rash. Well on top so far.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,758
    DavidL said:

    World's gone mad.

    Brentford's striker is the number 1 striker for Brazil in the world cup.

    Ahead of Cunha as well.

    Morocco are all over Brazil like a rash. Well on top so far.
    He's missed an absolute sitter.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,915

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    STV are showing Braveheart before the match...

    ...which shows the Scottish side losing and its captain being disembowelled, castrated, and dismembered.
    Robert Bruce captained and won the replay, however...
    The Scot’s tend to remember the famous wins against the English. I do the same with wins over the French. The defeats, not so much.
    Which would be the biggest English/British military defeats on land and at sea?

    I think the Dutch won a few large naval battles against the English. Singapore seems like an obvious one. The Battle of Hastings, obvs.
    Either Yorktown, or Suez.
    Both ended our hegemony over significant slices of the globe.

  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,263
    edited June 13
    45/55 to REJOIN... Wasn't that what Populus found for REMAIN, in a UK-wide poll, on their day of referendum, poll? (asking for a friend as I'm getting old and my memory is becoming hazy ;) )
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,315
    Starmer can't win:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwykw759v3po

    "The father of a teenager who took her own life after viewing harmful content online has said he is "dismayed" by reports the government is to ban young people from using some social media platforms.

    Ian Russell has campaigned for better online protections since his daughter Molly died aged 14. But he has said "sledgehammer techniques like bans" would only cause more problems."
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,920
    GIN1138 said:

    45/55 to REJOIN... Wasn't that what Populus found for REMAIN, in a UK poll on their day of referendum poll, poll? (asking for a friend as I'm getting old and my memory is becoming hazy ;) )

    "My history's a little hazy, Cassius. But didn't the barbarians lose the Battle of Carthage?"
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,920
    Morocco!!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,531
    OMG
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,252
    Morocco 1
    Brazil 0

    21 mins
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,263

    OMG

    :open_mouth:
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,892
    Barnesian said:

    Barnesian said:

    I see that Rubio is now the favourite to be the Republican candidate for the Presidency in 2028.

    Is this since there were rumours Vance would be made to sign the shit sandwich Iran "peace" deal instead of Trumpski?
    I think it is going to be an electronic signing now.
    Whether signed or not I wouldn't set much store by any 'deal' between these 2 counterparties. The only country as untrustworthy as either of them is the other one.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,638

    Not many The Wizard of Oz fans on here I see.

    I hear Toto, I think Wolff
    Play the vid.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myP5hP-SFCo
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,057
    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    STV are showing Braveheart before the match...

    ...which shows the Scottish side losing and its captain being disembowelled, castrated, and dismembered.
    Robert Bruce captained and won the replay, however...
    The Scot’s tend to remember the famous wins against the English. I do the same with wins over the French. The defeats, not so much.
    Which would be the biggest English/British military defeats on land and at sea?

    I think the Dutch won a few large naval battles against the English. Singapore seems like an obvious one. The Battle of Hastings, obvs.
    Either Yorktown, or Suez.
    Both ended our hegemony over significant slices of the globe.

    Dunkirk, for all we like to think of it differently. Kicked out of France on our arse. Took us 4 years to get back.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,317
    Superbly weighted through ball that
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,531
    Brazil bottom of Group C.

  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,600
    How long does it take to have a fucking drink of water?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,758
    DavidL said:

    Nigelb said:

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    STV are showing Braveheart before the match...

    ...which shows the Scottish side losing and its captain being disembowelled, castrated, and dismembered.
    Robert Bruce captained and won the replay, however...
    The Scot’s tend to remember the famous wins against the English. I do the same with wins over the French. The defeats, not so much.
    Which would be the biggest English/British military defeats on land and at sea?

    I think the Dutch won a few large naval battles against the English. Singapore seems like an obvious one. The Battle of Hastings, obvs.
    Either Yorktown, or Suez.
    Both ended our hegemony over significant slices of the globe.

    Dunkirk, for all we like to think of it differently. Kicked out of France on our arse. Took us 4 years to get back.
    I consider that as a defeat for France than a British defeat.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,978
    GIN1138 said:

    45/55 to REJOIN... Wasn't that what Populus found for REMAIN, in a UK poll on their day of referendum poll, poll? (asking for a friend as I'm getting old and my memory is becoming hazy ;) )

    45 plays 55 does not demonstrate an enthusiasm for Brexit.

    I was an enthusiastic Remainer, but now we have left I have absolutely no desire to return on far weaker terms than we had before we Brexited. I still regret leaving and I concur with TSE's assertion that we are the only nation in history to impose economic sanctions on ourselves, but we are where we are.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,073
    Cookie said:

    How long does it take to have a fucking drink of water?

    Enough time for an advert each from Coca Cola, McDonalds and Ford.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,885
    I was thinking that England had a decent draw because I'd fancy them to beat Brazil in the quarter final. It won't be Brazil.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,531
    Gregg Carlstrom
    @glcarlstrom
    ·
    6h
    Amazing if four months of war comes to an end with J.D. Vance getting an email "Please DocuSign these documents: IranUSA_MOU_Final_FINAL_ActuallyFinal_V43"

    https://x.com/glcarlstrom/status/2065826604530466968
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,869
    DavidL said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @christinalamb

    Is Scotland going to be first European team to win a match in #WorldCup2026 ?

    Hope so. This is our WC. When you look at both Brazil and Morocco you think 1 point would be a result. Scotland need 3 points tonight to have any prospect of progressing. Going to be a little tense, I fear.
    3 points with hopefully reasonable goal difference gives a team a real chance of going forward in third place. Hopefully a good win 3-0 for Scotland tonight. A point v Brazil or Morocco then Scotland definitely qualify. Two narrow defeats gives them a chance.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,758
    tlg86 said:

    I was thinking that England had a decent draw because I'd fancy them to beat Brazil in the quarter final. It won't be Brazil.

    Might be Scotland now in the quarter finals for England.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,920
    tlg86 said:

    I was thinking that England had a decent draw because I'd fancy them to beat Brazil in the quarter final. It won't be Brazil.

    Ooops 1-1!!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,057
    Cookie said:

    Morocco are brilliant! I had no idea they were this good. My new favourite team.
    Same old Brazil, always cheating. Booo.

    Feck, its troubling. So direct and fast when they come forward.

    And now a brilliant goal for Brazil. Gulp.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,300
    Cookie said:

    How long does it take to have a fucking drink of water?

    I fear that now the water break has started it will spread to the premier league. Effectively heading to 4 quarters.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 27,885

    tlg86 said:

    I was thinking that England had a decent draw because I'd fancy them to beat Brazil in the quarter final. It won't be Brazil.

    Ooops 1-1!!
    They'll get beat by a better team than Morocco in the knockouts.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,531
    edited June 13

    Cookie said:

    How long does it take to have a fucking drink of water?

    Enough time for an advert each from Coca Cola, McDonalds and Ford.
    None of which the average american can now afford.

  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,148
    Brilliant by Vinicius but the midfield lacks pace and some of the defending is woeful by Brazil.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,920

    Cookie said:

    How long does it take to have a fucking drink of water?

    Enough time for an advert each from Coca Cola, McDonalds and Ford.
    Not on the BBC!
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,073

    Cookie said:

    How long does it take to have a fucking drink of water?

    Enough time for an advert each from Coca Cola, McDonalds and Ford.
    None of which the average american can now afford.

    Never mind, Elon Musk can afford to order 200 billion Big Macs. The wonders of capitalism broligarch style.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,869
    I am not sure Brazil or Morocco will be back at this venue 19 July. I'm not sure England will be there then either 😡
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,920

    Cookie said:

    How long does it take to have a fucking drink of water?

    Enough time for an advert each from Coca Cola, McDonalds and Ford.
    None of which the average american can now afford.

    Never mind, Elon Musk can afford to order 200 billion Big Macs. The wonders of capitalism broligarch style.
    "There is no money!"
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,073

    Cookie said:

    How long does it take to have a fucking drink of water?

    Enough time for an advert each from Coca Cola, McDonalds and Ford.
    Not on the BBC!
    Just wait til the Supreme Court awards Trump his $10bn, it will be non stop adverts from then on.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,869
    Is this a warm up for us staying up late 18/19 June with World Cup games as we wait for Makerfield???
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,057
    Pulpstar said:

    Brilliant by Vinicius but the midfield lacks pace and some of the defending is woeful by Brazil.

    This is nothing like the great Brazil teams of the past but they are still Brazil and a third game when they need something to progress is not what Scotland wanted.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,315
    "Home Office limits ‘one in, one out’ migrant deal with France

    Officials fear the border scheme to effectively trade small boat arrivals for asylum seekers brings in ‘young men more likely to engage in criminal activity’"

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/france-home-office-border-policy-8ktl9lf0j
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,638
    Heh.

    The GB News bungalows are quite agitated about Mr Milliband:

    In Germany the NAZIS had lots of Gauleiters like Millipede, they caused havoc and deaths, he is going to bring about scores of deaths this next winter, time he was actually PRACTICING what HE preaches, his carbon footprint is shocking.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,978
    We could apply this narrative by Congressman James Comer of Kentucky to the removal of welfare for genuinely poor people promoted by Lowe, Farage and Badenoch.

    https://youtu.be/wEFiwnpFSs0?is=ovN1abLhTyusCJVS
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,920
    MattW said:

    Heh.

    The GB News bungalows are quite agitated about Mr Milliband:

    In Germany the NAZIS had lots of Gauleiters like Millipede, they caused havoc and deaths, he is going to bring about scores of deaths this next winter, time he was actually PRACTICING what HE preaches, his carbon footprint is shocking.

    "He was the future once!" :lol:
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,071
    carnforth said:

    Starmer can't win:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwykw759v3po

    "The father of a teenager who took her own life after viewing harmful content online has said he is "dismayed" by reports the government is to ban young people from using some social media platforms.

    Ian Russell has campaigned for better online protections since his daughter Molly died aged 14. But he has said "sledgehammer techniques like bans" would only cause more problems."

    The silly fellow just needs to take a step back and see how other government prohibitions have worked. We are now gloriously free of drug abuse for instance. And thanks to that 'don't kill people' edict - the judiciary just faff about all day like scampering new born lambs.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,339
    carnforth said:

    "Home Office limits ‘one in, one out’ migrant deal with France

    Officials fear the border scheme to effectively trade small boat arrivals for asylum seekers brings in ‘young men more likely to engage in criminal activity’"

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/france-home-office-border-policy-8ktl9lf0j

    Shocked.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,900
    You will be shocked, shocked, shocked by this accusation:
    Many climate activists praise China as the world’s renewable energy superpower, usually to shame the United States for not doing more to cut carbon emissions. But Beijing is cooking its books.

    China’s official economic data has long been questionable: The economic projection for growth last year was “around five percent,” and, sure enough, the final figure came in at precisely 5 percent. A similar pattern has emerged on climate accounting.

    Reliable reporting suggests that China has been doctoring the data on its fossil fuel emissions by changing what it counts. In March, the Chinese government announced it had cut its carbon intensity by 17.7 percent from 2020 to 2025. That number was suspiciously close to its stated goal of an 18 percent reduction during that period.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/06/10/china-phony-emissions-statistics-undercut-climate-claims/

    Okay, maybe not all of you will be totally shocked.

    Does Ed Miliband know about this accusation? If so, would he be inclined to accept it, or reject it?
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,556
    MattW said:

    Heh.

    The GB News bungalows are quite agitated about Mr Milliband:

    In Germany the NAZIS had lots of Gauleiters like Millipede, they caused havoc and deaths, he is going to bring about scores of deaths this next winter, time he was actually PRACTICING what HE preaches, his carbon footprint is shocking.

    They are not wrong though.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,057

    You will be shocked, shocked, shocked by this accusation:

    Many climate activists praise China as the world’s renewable energy superpower, usually to shame the United States for not doing more to cut carbon emissions. But Beijing is cooking its books.

    China’s official economic data has long been questionable: The economic projection for growth last year was “around five percent,” and, sure enough, the final figure came in at precisely 5 percent. A similar pattern has emerged on climate accounting.

    Reliable reporting suggests that China has been doctoring the data on its fossil fuel emissions by changing what it counts. In March, the Chinese government announced it had cut its carbon intensity by 17.7 percent from 2020 to 2025. That number was suspiciously close to its stated goal of an 18 percent reduction during that period.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/06/10/china-phony-emissions-statistics-undercut-climate-claims/

    Okay, maybe not all of you will be totally shocked.

    Does Ed Miliband know about this accusation? If so, would he be inclined to accept it, or reject it?


    Its almost as if allowing them to wipe out our manufacturing by dumping goods on us at less than cost price didn't actually save the planet after all. Free trade huh? Mugs, we are.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,758
    Chortle.

    SNP may face fines over VAT claims linked to Peter Murrell fraud

    Tax expert says John Swinney’s party, which has opened discussions with HMRC, should have come clean about potentially wrongful claims years ago


    The SNP is facing fines from HMRC over potentially illegal VAT claims linked to Peter Murrell’s embezzlement, a tax expert advising the Scottish government has claimed.

    After Murrell’s admission last month that he embezzled £400,000 from the SNP, John Swinney, the first minister, admitted his party may have wrongly reclaimed tax on items he fraudulently recorded as legitimate business expenses.

    Dan Neidle, who was appointed by SNP ministers to sit on their own tax advisory group, told The Sunday Times that the SNP should have “fessed up” three years ago.

    The party should have reported itself to the UK’s tax authority as soon as they became aware of Murrell’s offending, Neidle said.

    When the tax issue was raised at Holyrood last month, Swinney said his party had “opened up discussions” with HMRC because of fears that Murrell’s embezzlement may have “implications in relation to tax”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/snp-peter-murrell-john-swinney-vat-fines-k3hmjh22q
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,869
    GN all

    Good luck Scotland 👍
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,758
    I have no recollection of taking part in this auction.

    Shoe-gate! How Sturgeon donated £290 stilettos to SNP fundraiser...then watched as Murrell bought them for £4,000

    Nicola Sturgeon donated a signed £290 pair of her shoes for auction at an SNP fundraising event – then looked on as her fraudster husband ‘bought’ them for an eye-watering £4,000, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    To the amazement of a packed venue, shamed former SNP chief executive Peter Murrell submitted the successful offer for his wife’s high heels – showcased in a bespoke display box – as bidding stalled at £1,500.

    And just months after Murrell ‘returned’ the Kurt Geiger green snakeskin shoes to his then First Minister wife, she wore them at Downing Street on a visit to Prime Minister Theresa May.

    Last night questions were raised over whether Murrell, who has admitted to embezzling more than £400,000 from the SNP, used stolen money to buy the shoes.


    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15897581/Shoe-gate-Sturgeon-donated-290-stilettos-SNP-fundraiser-watched-Murrell-bought-4-000.html
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,315

    Chortle.

    SNP may face fines over VAT claims linked to Peter Murrell fraud

    Tax expert says John Swinney’s party, which has opened discussions with HMRC, should have come clean about potentially wrongful claims years ago


    The SNP is facing fines from HMRC over potentially illegal VAT claims linked to Peter Murrell’s embezzlement, a tax expert advising the Scottish government has claimed.

    After Murrell’s admission last month that he embezzled £400,000 from the SNP, John Swinney, the first minister, admitted his party may have wrongly reclaimed tax on items he fraudulently recorded as legitimate business expenses.

    Dan Neidle, who was appointed by SNP ministers to sit on their own tax advisory group, told The Sunday Times that the SNP should have “fessed up” three years ago.

    The party should have reported itself to the UK’s tax authority as soon as they became aware of Murrell’s offending, Neidle said.

    When the tax issue was raised at Holyrood last month, Swinney said his party had “opened up discussions” with HMRC because of fears that Murrell’s embezzlement may have “implications in relation to tax”.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/snp-peter-murrell-john-swinney-vat-fines-k3hmjh22q

    Interesting that you don't have to wait for a conviction. I assume you inform HMRC at once and then everything stops pending the conviction?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,057

    I have no recollection of taking part in this auction.

    Shoe-gate! How Sturgeon donated £290 stilettos to SNP fundraiser...then watched as Murrell bought them for £4,000

    Nicola Sturgeon donated a signed £290 pair of her shoes for auction at an SNP fundraising event – then looked on as her fraudster husband ‘bought’ them for an eye-watering £4,000, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.

    To the amazement of a packed venue, shamed former SNP chief executive Peter Murrell submitted the successful offer for his wife’s high heels – showcased in a bespoke display box – as bidding stalled at £1,500.

    And just months after Murrell ‘returned’ the Kurt Geiger green snakeskin shoes to his then First Minister wife, she wore them at Downing Street on a visit to Prime Minister Theresa May.

    Last night questions were raised over whether Murrell, who has admitted to embezzling more than £400,000 from the SNP, used stolen money to buy the shoes.


    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15897581/Shoe-gate-Sturgeon-donated-290-stilettos-SNP-fundraiser-watched-Murrell-bought-4-000.html

    There is always haggling when a plea is agreed for something like this. And in Scotland it has been reported that what Murrell was looking to have excluded from his plea was numerous gifts made by him to his wife. Which suggested to me that he was still trying to protect her as best he could.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,057
    Not the best result for Scotland.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,148
    Both Morocco and Brazil look like they'll be tall orders for Scotland tbh. Draw between Haiti and Scotland could see them both out I reckon.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,758
    Scotland win the battle of the anthems.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,878
    Well, I'm a big bag of nerves.
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 932
    Voodoo vs IrnBru...
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 1,067
    edited 1:23AM

    🚨EXC: Senior Burnham advisers are lobbying Shabana Mahmood to be his chancellor

    – Efforts accelerated in recent days amid concern about Ed Miliband entering No11

    – BUT Mahmood has told them them she still doesn't want it – she is determined to remain home secretary and see her immigration reforms through


    https://x.com/lara_spirit/status/2065904214598176997

    She's now 1.04 on BF
    Erm, no she's not nor has she traded anything like it. Would be lay of the year that. Very good chance she's next chancellor but 1.04?!?!?!

    Either that or I misunderstood you.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,758
    edited 1:36AM

    🚨EXC: Senior Burnham advisers are lobbying Shabana Mahmood to be his chancellor

    – Efforts accelerated in recent days amid concern about Ed Miliband entering No11

    – BUT Mahmood has told them them she still doesn't want it – she is determined to remain home secretary and see her immigration reforms through


    https://x.com/lara_spirit/status/2065904214598176997

    She's now 1.04 on BF
    Erm, no she's not nor has she traded anything like it. Would be lay of the year that. Very good chance she's next chancellor but 1.04?!?!?!

    Either that or I misunderstood you.
    She's available at 1.04 as next Chancellor on Betfair but it is a relatively illiquid market.



    My legendary modesty prevents me from posting that I tipped Ed Miliband as next Chancellor at 33/1.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,057
    edited 1:32AM
    Oh yes. Scotland top of the group.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,758
    SCOTLAND!!!
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 774
    Goooooaaaaaal

    (Hopefully ladbrokes count that as a John McGinn assist)
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,878
    It'd be nice if we looked just a little bit more comfortable defensively.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,057

    It'd be nice if we looked just a little bit more comfortable defensively.

    We need another goal. Sooner or later they are going to get a good chance.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,752

    🚨EXC: Senior Burnham advisers are lobbying Shabana Mahmood to be his chancellor

    – Efforts accelerated in recent days amid concern about Ed Miliband entering No11

    – BUT Mahmood has told them them she still doesn't want it – she is determined to remain home secretary and see her immigration reforms through


    https://x.com/lara_spirit/status/2065904214598176997

    She's now 1.04 on BF
    Erm, no she's not nor has she traded anything like it. Would be lay of the year that. Very good chance she's next chancellor but 1.04?!?!?!

    Either that or I misunderstood you.
    She's available at 1.04 as next Chancellor on Betfair but it is a relatively illiquid market.



    My legendary modesty prevents me from posting that I tipped Ed Miliband as next Chancellor at 33/1.
    Nothing will ever beat my first ever political bet at great odds after years posting on here and all thanks to a late night blog by SkyNews Jon Craig while at the TUC when he suggested that the Union bosses had decided that the best candidate to beat David Miliband in a future Labour leadership contest was his own brother Ed Miliband!
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,500
    Turns out Rexona is what they call Sure (antiperspirant) in the rest of the world.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,758

    Turns out Rexona is what they call Sure (antiperspirant) in the rest of the world.

    Sure they do.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,057
    DavidL said:

    It'd be nice if we looked just a little bit more comfortable defensively.

    We need another goal. Sooner or later they are going to get a good chance.
    Well they missed their chance but this is incredibly tense.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,878
    We're absolutely guff, but we'll have 3 points, kthanxbye
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,500
    More points than England.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,758
    Huzzah!
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,057
    Wow. Did it the hard way but what a result.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,758
    Never in doubt.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,057
    Time for bed said Zebedee.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,752
    DavidL said:

    Wow. Did it the hard way but what a result.

    We certainly did but has the Scotland team ever done it any other way. But a win is a win, I was struggling to remember the last time we had ever won an opening match in the World Cup. Nite everyone.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,558
    Top of the group
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,752
    edited 3:30AM
    fitalass said:

    DavidL said:

    Wow. Did it the hard way but what a result.

    We certainly did but has the Scotland team ever done it any other way. But a win is a win, I was struggling to remember the last time we had ever won an opening match in the World Cup. Nite everyone.
    After asking the question when did Scotland last win a World cup game in our group chat with our sons at the end of the game I have been reliable informed by Fitaloon that the last time Scotland won a World Cup game was the year we got married!! Oops, so 36 years ago!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,091

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    STV are showing Braveheart before the match...

    ...which shows the Scottish side losing and its captain being disembowelled, castrated, and dismembered.
    Robert Bruce captained and won the replay, however...
    The Scot’s tend to remember the famous wins against the English. I do the same with wins over the French. The defeats, not so much.
    Which would be the biggest English/British military defeats on land and at sea?

    I think the Dutch won a few large naval battles against the English. Singapore seems like an obvious one. The Battle of Hastings, obvs.
    Hard to think of a defeat of more lasting significance than Hastings.

    Speaking of which, booking for the Bayeux Tapestry at the British Museum opens next week for members. Could be a sell out.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,510

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    STV are showing Braveheart before the match...

    ...which shows the Scottish side losing and its captain being disembowelled, castrated, and dismembered.
    Robert Bruce captained and won the replay, however...
    The Scot’s tend to remember the famous wins against the English. I do the same with wins over the French. The defeats, not so much.
    Which would be the biggest English/British military defeats on land and at sea?

    I think the Dutch won a few large naval battles against the English. Singapore seems like an obvious one. The Battle of Hastings, obvs.
    Hard to think of a defeat of more lasting significance than Hastings.

    Speaking of which, booking for the Bayeux Tapestry at the British Museum opens next week for members. Could be a sell out.
    If you miss out, go see it in Bayeaux. Lovely town.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,091

    viewcode said:

    Scott_xP said:

    STV are showing Braveheart before the match...

    ...which shows the Scottish side losing and its captain being disembowelled, castrated, and dismembered.
    Robert Bruce captained and won the replay, however...
    The Scot’s tend to remember the famous wins against the English. I do the same with wins over the French. The defeats, not so much.
    Which would be the biggest English/British military defeats on land and at sea?

    I think the Dutch won a few large naval battles against the English. Singapore seems like an obvious one. The Battle of Hastings, obvs.
    Hard to think of a defeat of more lasting significance than Hastings.

    Speaking of which, booking for the Bayeux Tapestry at the British Museum opens next week for members. Could be a sell out.
    If you miss out, go see it in Bayeaux. Lovely town.
    Funnily enough I did 18 months ago when on a D-Day tip to Normandy with my brother. We wandered in with no queues and a virtually empty museum. Would still like to go to see it in Britain though.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,345
    FPT

    Completely OT but a public information announcement for anyone interested in Indian Colonial History.

    Back in 2014 the Qatari National Library entered into a project with the British Library to digitise the entire corpus of the British Indian Office Archive - basically every single document we hold concerning India from the start of the British East India Company in the 1600s to Indian independence in 1947.

    The whole lot, every diary, message, briefing and memo is now online and free to access. I have been using it as part of my research for a book on the British interventions in Southern Russia at the end of WW1 and have so far downloaded about 40GB of data.

    It also has a load of manuscripts relating to Arabia from the British Library.

    It is well worth a visit and can be found at:

    https://www.qdl.qa/en

    Very interesting and apt. In the section about the British in the Gulf, there is this comment

    A key source of revenue for the Qawasim was tolls, which they levied on all trade that passed through the Strait of Hormuz.

    Wonder where the Iranians got the idea?

    https://www.qdl.qa/en/british-gulf-overview
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,949
    Battlebus said:

    FPT

    Completely OT but a public information announcement for anyone interested in Indian Colonial History.

    Back in 2014 the Qatari National Library entered into a project with the British Library to digitise the entire corpus of the British Indian Office Archive - basically every single document we hold concerning India from the start of the British East India Company in the 1600s to Indian independence in 1947.

    The whole lot, every diary, message, briefing and memo is now online and free to access. I have been using it as part of my research for a book on the British interventions in Southern Russia at the end of WW1 and have so far downloaded about 40GB of data.

    It also has a load of manuscripts relating to Arabia from the British Library.

    It is well worth a visit and can be found at:

    https://www.qdl.qa/en

    Very interesting and apt. In the section about the British in the Gulf, there is this comment

    A key source of revenue for the Qawasim was tolls, which they levied on all trade that passed through the Strait of Hormuz.

    Wonder where the Iranians got the idea?

    https://www.qdl.qa/en/british-gulf-overview
    Good morning, everyone.

    I think that there's rather a lot of historical precedent for tolls. And the chance of the Strait being closed was obvious enough that Trump was warned about it before his ill-chosen course of action.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,642

    We need a fact check from @dixiedean

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2065858608730960112

    So I'm told local people regard the term "Platt Waz" as quite derogatory. Which would not be entirely out of keeping with the tenor of Rob Kenyon's campaign...

    https://x.com/RobKenyonReform/status/2065823238668562550

    Out on the doorsteps in Platt Waz this afternoon

    Never used to be. It was just a local nickname.
    But Platt Wazzer became synonymous with deprivation, poverty and crime during the 80's and 90's, as a catchall term for a local ne'er do well. It's become a lot nicer since.
    And never was as bad as painted.
    Maybe it needs reclaiming?
    The origins of Wazz for Platt Bridge aren't known.
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