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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,493

    Andy Burnham
    @AndyBurnhamGM

    Good news to start your weekend - only six more of these videos to go! 😅
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,551

    Scott_xP said:

    One day into the World Cup, FIFA is doing “actually, the stadiums ARE full” posts stating that there are “ticketed fans… standing in concourses rather than staying in their assigned seats”

    https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3mo4o2wcf622m

    Three matches in and the first two big matches...two of the three host nations. Full stadiums is hardly surprising at this stage and tonights was only a 40k capacity.

    Peter.
    yeah, the point is the stadiums are not full. FIFA are claiming the empty seats belong to people who definitely bought the tickets and are definitely at the stadiums, you just can't see them on TV
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,871
    kinabalu said:

    A match made in heaven, or whichever circle of hell is reserved for the likes of Bari and Trev,

    Thrilled to welcome @TrevorPTweets to @CBSNews.

    https://x.com/bariweiss/status/2065440278987583832?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    The first comment under the tweet is a highly vituperative offering from 'Malcolm'.
    The highly vituperative offering from "Malcolm" goes like this

    "...Possibly he is one of the most hated, useless, politically compromised fucking awful [badword] in the UK. You’re fucking welcome to him. Fucking keep him. He’s the best mate of fucking Peados like Mandelson. Fearless? A lying fucking [badword]. That’s what he is. Have him..."

    (narrator: the badword in question is the one that OGH doesn't like and gets you banned)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,997
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2065544872350658672

    🚨 NEW: Ed Miliband wants to be Andy Burnham's Chancellor

    Source: “Ed is clearly working on the basis of that is what he wants, and that’s what he is assuming he will get”
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,133
    I’m wondering if there are good betting opportunities for next PM and next Labour leader if Burnham doesn’t win Makerfield.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,295

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2065544872350658672

    🚨 NEW: Ed Miliband wants to be Andy Burnham's Chancellor

    Source: “Ed is clearly working on the basis of that is what he wants, and that’s what he is assuming he will get”

    More Ground Zero than Net Zero. Fuck me.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,878

    I couldn't give a shit about the World Cup.

    Sorry.

    You will if we go deep. No true patriot can remain unmoved in that event. Bet you any money I'm right. You might not be able to get into the football itself but you'll be rooting hard for us to do it. Just simply because of the joy it will bring to so many English people.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,486
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One day into the World Cup, FIFA is doing “actually, the stadiums ARE full” posts stating that there are “ticketed fans… standing in concourses rather than staying in their assigned seats”

    https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3mo4o2wcf622m

    Three matches in and the first two big matches...two of the three host nations. Full stadiums is hardly surprising at this stage and tonights was only a 40k capacity.

    Peter.
    yeah, the point is the stadiums are not full. FIFA are claiming the empty seats belong to people who definitely bought the tickets and are definitely at the stadiums, you just can't see them on TV
    Isn't that the 'corporate hospitality' thing? Take your clients to a big match and don't bother to watch it?
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,133
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One day into the World Cup, FIFA is doing “actually, the stadiums ARE full” posts stating that there are “ticketed fans… standing in concourses rather than staying in their assigned seats”

    https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3mo4o2wcf622m

    Three matches in and the first two big matches...two of the three host nations. Full stadiums is hardly surprising at this stage and tonights was only a 40k capacity.

    Peter.
    yeah, the point is the stadiums are not full. FIFA are claiming the empty seats belong to people who definitely bought the tickets and are definitely at the stadiums, you just can't see them on TV
    It could be all the people who bought tickets but have had their visas revoked.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,493
    edited June 12

    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2065544872350658672

    🚨 NEW: Ed Miliband wants to be Andy Burnham's Chancellor

    Source: “Ed is clearly working on the basis of that is what he wants, and that’s what he is assuming he will get”

    How is that 'new'???

    This has been expected and discussed for weeks now.

    Edit: However, I have a few quid on Louise Haigh being CoE at 30/1 based on Guardian article the other day that made it clear she has been his 'right hand man' as it were for weeks throughout this march on Westminster.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,997
    It's happened again. See social media for video footage of the incident.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gypqp0rp9o

    Girl, 17, stabbed in the neck in street attack
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,878
    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    A match made in heaven, or whichever circle of hell is reserved for the likes of Bari and Trev,

    Thrilled to welcome @TrevorPTweets to @CBSNews.

    https://x.com/bariweiss/status/2065440278987583832?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    The first comment under the tweet is a highly vituperative offering from 'Malcolm'.
    The highly vituperative offering from "Malcolm" goes like this

    "...Possibly he is one of the most hated, useless, politically compromised fucking awful [badword] in the UK. You’re fucking welcome to him. Fucking keep him. He’s the best mate of fucking Peados like Mandelson. Fearless? A lying fucking [badword]. That’s what he is. Have him..."

    (narrator: the badword in question is the one that OGH doesn't like and gets you banned)
    Yes, it's different to our one. This one is real potty.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,670
    I'm not ashamed to say I watched all two and a half minutes of this, and enjoyed all of it:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9FRnsfsOkQ&list=RDp9FRnsfsOkQ&start_radio=1
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,529

    I couldn't give a shit about the World Cup.

    Sorry.

    OK, I'm sure it's lovely for the players, but does anyone else give a shit about it? Even the flags at the local flaggy football pub seem a bit forlorn.
    England and Scotland haven't played yet. It always feels a bit pointless when it's just stupid teams like Curacao or Qatar or the USA playing. Once our lads hit the pitch you start to feel it again. I already watched a bit of South Africa vs Mexico with my son the other night.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,670
    kinabalu said:

    I couldn't give a shit about the World Cup.

    Sorry.

    You will if we go deep. No true patriot can remain unmoved in that event. Bet you any money I'm right. You might not be able to get into the football itself but you'll be rooting hard for us to do it. Just simply because of the joy it will bring to so many English people.
    Probably, but that will be for different reasons to the love of football.

    Which I just don't have.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,188
    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    A match made in heaven, or whichever circle of hell is reserved for the likes of Bari and Trev,

    Thrilled to welcome @TrevorPTweets to @CBSNews.

    https://x.com/bariweiss/status/2065440278987583832?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    The first comment under the tweet is a highly vituperative offering from 'Malcolm'.
    The highly vituperative offering from "Malcolm" goes like this

    "...Possibly he is one of the most hated, useless, politically compromised fucking awful [badword] in the UK. You’re fucking welcome to him. Fucking keep him. He’s the best mate of fucking Peados like Mandelson. Fearless? A lying fucking [badword]. That’s what he is. Have him..."

    (narrator: the badword in question is the one that OGH doesn't like and gets you banned)
    Yes, it's different to our one. This one is real potty.
    Also libellous
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,188

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One day into the World Cup, FIFA is doing “actually, the stadiums ARE full” posts stating that there are “ticketed fans… standing in concourses rather than staying in their assigned seats”

    https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3mo4o2wcf622m

    Three matches in and the first two big matches...two of the three host nations. Full stadiums is hardly surprising at this stage and tonights was only a 40k capacity.

    Peter.
    yeah, the point is the stadiums are not full. FIFA are claiming the empty seats belong to people who definitely bought the tickets and are definitely at the stadiums, you just can't see them on TV
    It could be all the people who bought tickets but have had their visas revoked.
    Are there issues for fans going to Mexico or Canada?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,188

    I’m wondering if there are good betting opportunities for next PM and next Labour leader if Burnham doesn’t win Makerfield.

    Starmer to last the year would be the first bet
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,878
    Dopermean said:

    kinabalu said:

    viewcode said:

    kinabalu said:

    A match made in heaven, or whichever circle of hell is reserved for the likes of Bari and Trev,

    Thrilled to welcome @TrevorPTweets to @CBSNews.

    https://x.com/bariweiss/status/2065440278987583832?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    The first comment under the tweet is a highly vituperative offering from 'Malcolm'.
    The highly vituperative offering from "Malcolm" goes like this

    "...Possibly he is one of the most hated, useless, politically compromised fucking awful [badword] in the UK. You’re fucking welcome to him. Fucking keep him. He’s the best mate of fucking Peados like Mandelson. Fearless? A lying fucking [badword]. That’s what he is. Have him..."

    (narrator: the badword in question is the one that OGH doesn't like and gets you banned)
    Yes, it's different to our one. This one is real potty.
    Also libellous
    Yes. A lot of X is.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,133
    Dopermean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One day into the World Cup, FIFA is doing “actually, the stadiums ARE full” posts stating that there are “ticketed fans… standing in concourses rather than staying in their assigned seats”

    https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3mo4o2wcf622m

    Three matches in and the first two big matches...two of the three host nations. Full stadiums is hardly surprising at this stage and tonights was only a 40k capacity.

    Peter.
    yeah, the point is the stadiums are not full. FIFA are claiming the empty seats belong to people who definitely bought the tickets and are definitely at the stadiums, you just can't see them on TV
    It could be all the people who bought tickets but have had their visas revoked.
    Are there issues for fans going to Mexico or Canada?
    How many fans will either support a team only playing in Mexico or Canada, or will need to fly via the USA to get to Mexico (not so much Canada)?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,878

    I couldn't give a shit about the World Cup.

    Sorry.

    OK, I'm sure it's lovely for the players, but does anyone else give a shit about it? Even the flags at the local flaggy football pub seem a bit forlorn.
    England and Scotland haven't played yet. It always feels a bit pointless when it's just stupid teams like Curacao or Qatar or the USA playing. Once our lads hit the pitch you start to feel it again. I already watched a bit of South Africa vs Mexico with my son the other night.
    2 am the Haiti match. That will test your mettle.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,630
    Youtube is STILL feeding me adverts about our Tesla correspondent's "Flap of Doom".

    It's a very Trumpist phrase. Trump has multiple "Flaps of Doom" every day.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,871
    Cyclefree said:

    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    From @williamglenn -

    "There's an emerging consensus that equality laws are illiberal and counter-productive. It doesn't make any sense for the Tories to swim against the tide just because the Cameron government was responsible for a lot of it."

    What a load of utter nonsense.

    The Equality Act is a consolidating statute consolidating anti-discrimination provisions dating back to the 1960's and 1970's. It was also passed by a Labour government not Cameron.

    There is certainly a campaign by various different groups of idiots to remove certain sex-based rights and anti-discrimination measures, which will also impact gay people and religious people, and to put such groups back in the position they were in in the 1960's and 1970's. That would certainly be extremely illiberal and it is a great pity that the Tories are falling for this nonsense, just as some of the dimmer Labour MPs, much of the Lib Dems and the Greens have done.

    Unlike US feminism, from memory British feminism started becoming discontented with equality around 2010, noting that sometimes it led to outcomes that were not good for women, or at least worse than the status quo ante. This escalated until around 2021 when Julie Bindel published "Feminism for Women: The Real Route to Liberation", which provided (restated?) a theoretical justification for pursuing goals that were inequitable and inegalitarian but were better for women. Thus fortified, British feminists were free to pursue goals that focussed exclusively on the benefit to women, even if they led to inequality

    This is illustrated by your phrase "sex-based rights" and other phrases like"fairness" and the gender-critical networks preceded by "SEEN" - an acronym meaning "Sex Equality And Equity Network" - pay homage to that.

    You may recall that I've mentioned Robert Reilly before, and his work on tracking wars of ideas. One technique is to track the popularity of shibboleths and cant phrases over time. I think that the rise of fairness-based phrases and the fall of equality-based phrases demonstrates that @williamglenn is onto something, albeit not something I like.
    I do not remember the people you have mentioned nor have I read the books you cite.

    I am not making any sort of theoretical argument about what feminism is or should be as a theory.

    My position is a simple one. Women are routinely discriminated against and/or oppressed and/or face sexual violence because of their sex. Their sex. Not gender. Not anything else. Their sex. That is why we need measures such as laws to counter this. Those laws need to be based on reality and that reality revolves around sex. So women need rights based on their sex to counter this.

    The attacks we are seeing now are seeking to deny this reality. If they gain traction and are acted on, then women will continue to be discriminated against etc because of their sex but will lose the ability to articulate this or take effective action against it. You cannot deal with a problem you refuse to name or deny exists. This suits many of the male sex and many politicians, businesses and others who, for a variety of reasons and from different perspectives, resent having to take action to help women live full lives in our society.

    As for women so for minority groups. The same motivation which sees women's rights as some sort of optional extra which can be discarded the moment someone else demands something will be applied to minority groups.

    I have seen huge changes in the position of women in my lifetime. Changes for the better. But what I am now seeing is an attempt to reverse those changes, attempts which have a worryingly high level of support among politicians who should both know better and who claim to be "progressive". They are nothing of the kind but display a worrying level of ignorance and malice. I also see - and this forum is no exception - a refusal to understand or accept this and some particularly stupid and disingenuous attempts to justify it.

    Virginia Woolf's words are very apt here: " Though we see the same world, we see it through different eyes."

    Discussions here and elsewhere remind me of this more and more. There is a very definite whiff of "women: know your place" going on. Kingston's Lib Dem Council recently illustrated this with its advice about why cycling was good for women. It would allow them to carry out their domestic responsibilities while also looking nice. Welcome to the 1950's, Ladies, courtesy of the Liberal (sic) Democrats.
    Oh, fair points, but I have to find a way to describe the world and how it happens. I have less power than an asthmatic ant so ultimately all I really do is note what is happening and write it down, usually using maths in some way. Much as I would like to wave a wand and set the world to rights, I can't. If it helps, I hate that as well.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,354

    Dopermean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One day into the World Cup, FIFA is doing “actually, the stadiums ARE full” posts stating that there are “ticketed fans… standing in concourses rather than staying in their assigned seats”

    https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3mo4o2wcf622m

    Three matches in and the first two big matches...two of the three host nations. Full stadiums is hardly surprising at this stage and tonights was only a 40k capacity.

    Peter.
    yeah, the point is the stadiums are not full. FIFA are claiming the empty seats belong to people who definitely bought the tickets and are definitely at the stadiums, you just can't see them on TV
    It could be all the people who bought tickets but have had their visas revoked.
    Are there issues for fans going to Mexico or Canada?
    How many fans will either support a team only playing in Mexico or Canada, or will need to fly via the USA to get to Mexico (not so much Canada)?
    There are direct flights to Mexico from many European countries (a very quick check sees direct flights from Heathrow, Madrid and Frankfurt for starters).
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,297
    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    From @williamglenn -

    "There's an emerging consensus that equality laws are illiberal and counter-productive. It doesn't make any sense for the Tories to swim against the tide just because the Cameron government was responsible for a lot of it."

    What a load of utter nonsense.

    The Equality Act is a consolidating statute consolidating anti-discrimination provisions dating back to the 1960's and 1970's. It was also passed by a Labour government not Cameron.

    There is certainly a campaign by various different groups of idiots to remove certain sex-based rights and anti-discrimination measures, which will also impact gay people and religious people, and to put such groups back in the position they were in in the 1960's and 1970's. That would certainly be extremely illiberal and it is a great pity that the Tories are falling for this nonsense, just as some of the dimmer Labour MPs, much of the Lib Dems and the Greens have done.

    Unlike US feminism, from memory British feminism started becoming discontented with equality around 2010, noting that sometimes it led to outcomes that were not good for women, or at least worse than the status quo ante. This escalated until around 2021 when Julie Bindel published "Feminism for Women: The Real Route to Liberation", which provided (restated?) a theoretical justification for pursuing goals that were inequitable and inegalitarian but were better for women. Thus fortified, British feminists were free to pursue goals that focussed exclusively on the benefit to women, even if they led to inequality

    This is illustrated by your phrase "sex-based rights" and other phrases like"fairness" and the gender-critical networks preceded by "SEEN" - an acronym meaning "Sex Equality And Equity Network" - pay homage to that.

    You may recall that I've mentioned Robert Reilly before, and his work on tracking wars of ideas. One technique is to track the popularity of shibboleths and cant phrases over time. I think that the rise of fairness-based phrases and the fall of equality-based phrases demonstrates that @williamglenn is onto something, albeit not something I like.
    I do not remember the people you have mentioned nor have I read the books you cite.

    I am not making any sort of theoretical argument about what feminism is or should be as a theory.

    My position is a simple one. Women are routinely discriminated against and/or oppressed and/or face sexual violence because of their sex. Their sex. Not gender. Not anything else. Their sex. That is why we need measures such as laws to counter this. Those laws need to be based on reality and that reality revolves around sex. So women need rights based on their sex to counter this.

    The attacks we are seeing now are seeking to deny this reality. If they gain traction and are acted on, then women will continue to be discriminated against etc because of their sex but will lose the ability to articulate this or take effective action against it. You cannot deal with a problem you refuse to name or deny exists. This suits many of the male sex and many politicians, businesses and others who, for a variety of reasons and from different perspectives, resent having to take action to help women live full lives in our society.

    As for women so for minority groups. The same motivation which sees women's rights as some sort of optional extra which can be discarded the moment someone else demands something will be applied to minority groups.

    I have seen huge changes in the position of women in my lifetime. Changes for the better. But what I am now seeing is an attempt to reverse those changes, attempts which have a worryingly high level of support among politicians who should both know better and who claim to be "progressive". They are nothing of the kind but display a worrying level of ignorance and malice. I also see - and this forum is no exception - a refusal to understand or accept this and some particularly stupid and disingenuous attempts to justify it.

    Virginia Woolf's words are very apt here: " Though we see the same world, we see it through different eyes."

    Discussions here and elsewhere remind me of this more and more. There is a very definite whiff of "women: know your place" going on. Kingston's Lib Dem Council recently illustrated this with its advice about why cycling was good for women. It would allow them to carry out their domestic responsibilities while also looking nice. Welcome to the 1950's, Ladies, courtesy of the Liberal (sic) Democrats.
    Oh, fair points, but I have to find a way to describe the world and how it happens. I have less power than an asthmatic ant so ultimately all I really do is note what is happening and write it down, usually using maths in some way. Much as I would like to wave a wand and set the world to rights, I can't. If it helps, I hate that as well.
    It's good that you don't, because you'd probably make it worse.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,529

    kinabalu said:

    I couldn't give a shit about the World Cup.

    Sorry.

    You will if we go deep. No true patriot can remain unmoved in that event. Bet you any money I'm right. You might not be able to get into the football itself but you'll be rooting hard for us to do it. Just simply because of the joy it will bring to so many English people.
    Probably, but that will be for different reasons to the love of football.

    Which I just don't have.
    I don't love football but I do like it. I think that objectively it is the best sport. There's a reason it is the most widely played game in the world.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,878
    Cyclefree said:

    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    From @williamglenn -

    "There's an emerging consensus that equality laws are illiberal and counter-productive. It doesn't make any sense for the Tories to swim against the tide just because the Cameron government was responsible for a lot of it."

    What a load of utter nonsense.

    The Equality Act is a consolidating statute consolidating anti-discrimination provisions dating back to the 1960's and 1970's. It was also passed by a Labour government not Cameron.

    There is certainly a campaign by various different groups of idiots to remove certain sex-based rights and anti-discrimination measures, which will also impact gay people and religious people, and to put such groups back in the position they were in in the 1960's and 1970's. That would certainly be extremely illiberal and it is a great pity that the Tories are falling for this nonsense, just as some of the dimmer Labour MPs, much of the Lib Dems and the Greens have done.

    Unlike US feminism, from memory British feminism started becoming discontented with equality around 2010, noting that sometimes it led to outcomes that were not good for women, or at least worse than the status quo ante. This escalated until around 2021 when Julie Bindel published "Feminism for Women: The Real Route to Liberation", which provided (restated?) a theoretical justification for pursuing goals that were inequitable and inegalitarian but were better for women. Thus fortified, British feminists were free to pursue goals that focussed exclusively on the benefit to women, even if they led to inequality

    This is illustrated by your phrase "sex-based rights" and other phrases like"fairness" and the gender-critical networks preceded by "SEEN" - an acronym meaning "Sex Equality And Equity Network" - pay homage to that.

    You may recall that I've mentioned Robert Reilly before, and his work on tracking wars of ideas. One technique is to track the popularity of shibboleths and cant phrases over time. I think that the rise of fairness-based phrases and the fall of equality-based phrases demonstrates that @williamglenn is onto something, albeit not something I like.
    I do not remember the people you have mentioned nor have I read the books you cite.

    I am not making any sort of theoretical argument about what feminism is or should be as a theory.

    My position is a simple one. Women are routinely discriminated against and/or oppressed and/or face sexual violence because of their sex. Their sex. Not gender. Not anything else. Their sex. That is why we need measures such as laws to counter this. Those laws need to be based on reality and that reality revolves around sex. So women need rights based on their sex to counter this.

    The attacks we are seeing now are seeking to deny this reality. If they gain traction and are acted on, then women will continue to be discriminated against etc because of their sex but will lose the ability to articulate this or take effective action against it. You cannot deal with a problem you refuse to name or deny exists. This suits many of the male sex and many politicians, businesses and others who, for a variety of reasons and from different perspectives, resent having to take action to help women live full lives in our society.

    As for women so for minority groups. The same motivation which sees women's rights as some sort of optional extra which can be discarded the moment someone else demands something will be applied to minority groups.

    I have seen huge changes in the position of women in my lifetime. Changes for the better. But what I am now seeing is an attempt to reverse those changes, attempts which have a worryingly high level of support among politicians who should both know better and who claim to be "progressive". They are nothing of the kind but display a worrying level of ignorance and malice. I also see - and this forum is no exception - a refusal to understand or accept this and some particularly stupid and disingenuous attempts to justify it.

    Virginia Woolf's words are very apt here: " Though we see the same world, we see it through different eyes."

    Discussions here and elsewhere remind me of this more and more. There is a very definite whiff of "women: know your place" going on. Kingston's Lib Dem Council recently illustrated this with its advice about why cycling was good for women. It would allow them to carry out their domestic responsibilities while also looking nice. Welcome to the 1950's, Ladies, courtesy of the Liberal (sic) Democrats.
    Question for you: Do you see the permissive (compared to ours) laws on gender change that several countries have as a bigger threat to female equality/empowerment than the sort of reactionary attitudes that are fueling the populist right?
  • maxhmaxh Posts: 2,036

    kinabalu said:

    I couldn't give a shit about the World Cup.

    Sorry.

    You will if we go deep. No true patriot can remain unmoved in that event. Bet you any money I'm right. You might not be able to get into the football itself but you'll be rooting hard for us to do it. Just simply because of the joy it will bring to so many English people.
    Probably, but that will be for different reasons to the love of football.

    Which I just don't have.
    I don't love football but I do like it. I think that objectively it is the best sport. There's a reason it is the most widely played game in the world.
    Really? I don't feel that strongly either way, but objectively I feel there are sports far more worth of our attention. Football is surely exciting only because it is popular and therefore fits well with a global competition because there are at least 48 teams who have enough of a stake to travel to proto-fascist USA and brave the border guards. If the whole world went mad about, say, speed bouldering, do you not think the next few weeks would be slightly more interesting?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,943

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One day into the World Cup, FIFA is doing “actually, the stadiums ARE full” posts stating that there are “ticketed fans… standing in concourses rather than staying in their assigned seats”

    https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3mo4o2wcf622m

    Three matches in and the first two big matches...two of the three host nations. Full stadiums is hardly surprising at this stage and tonights was only a 40k capacity.

    Peter.
    yeah, the point is the stadiums are not full. FIFA are claiming the empty seats belong to people who definitely bought the tickets and are definitely at the stadiums, you just can't see them on TV
    It could be all the people who bought tickets but have had their visas revoked.
    These empyy seats were in Mexico and Canada. There hasn't been a match in the USA yet.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,871

    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    From @williamglenn -

    "There's an emerging consensus that equality laws are illiberal and counter-productive. It doesn't make any sense for the Tories to swim against the tide just because the Cameron government was responsible for a lot of it."

    What a load of utter nonsense.

    The Equality Act is a consolidating statute consolidating anti-discrimination provisions dating back to the 1960's and 1970's. It was also passed by a Labour government not Cameron.

    There is certainly a campaign by various different groups of idiots to remove certain sex-based rights and anti-discrimination measures, which will also impact gay people and religious people, and to put such groups back in the position they were in in the 1960's and 1970's. That would certainly be extremely illiberal and it is a great pity that the Tories are falling for this nonsense, just as some of the dimmer Labour MPs, much of the Lib Dems and the Greens have done.

    Unlike US feminism, from memory British feminism started becoming discontented with equality around 2010, noting that sometimes it led to outcomes that were not good for women, or at least worse than the status quo ante. This escalated until around 2021 when Julie Bindel published "Feminism for Women: The Real Route to Liberation", which provided (restated?) a theoretical justification for pursuing goals that were inequitable and inegalitarian but were better for women. Thus fortified, British feminists were free to pursue goals that focussed exclusively on the benefit to women, even if they led to inequality

    This is illustrated by your phrase "sex-based rights" and other phrases like"fairness" and the gender-critical networks preceded by "SEEN" - an acronym meaning "Sex Equality And Equity Network" - pay homage to that.

    You may recall that I've mentioned Robert Reilly before, and his work on tracking wars of ideas. One technique is to track the popularity of shibboleths and cant phrases over time. I think that the rise of fairness-based phrases and the fall of equality-based phrases demonstrates that @williamglenn is onto something, albeit not something I like.
    I do not remember the people you have mentioned nor have I read the books you cite.

    I am not making any sort of theoretical argument about what feminism is or should be as a theory.

    My position is a simple one. Women are routinely discriminated against and/or oppressed and/or face sexual violence because of their sex. Their sex. Not gender. Not anything else. Their sex. That is why we need measures such as laws to counter this. Those laws need to be based on reality and that reality revolves around sex. So women need rights based on their sex to counter this.

    The attacks we are seeing now are seeking to deny this reality. If they gain traction and are acted on, then women will continue to be discriminated against etc because of their sex but will lose the ability to articulate this or take effective action against it. You cannot deal with a problem you refuse to name or deny exists. This suits many of the male sex and many politicians, businesses and others who, for a variety of reasons and from different perspectives, resent having to take action to help women live full lives in our society.

    As for women so for minority groups. The same motivation which sees women's rights as some sort of optional extra which can be discarded the moment someone else demands something will be applied to minority groups.

    I have seen huge changes in the position of women in my lifetime. Changes for the better. But what I am now seeing is an attempt to reverse those changes, attempts which have a worryingly high level of support among politicians who should both know better and who claim to be "progressive". They are nothing of the kind but display a worrying level of ignorance and malice. I also see - and this forum is no exception - a refusal to understand or accept this and some particularly stupid and disingenuous attempts to justify it.

    Virginia Woolf's words are very apt here: " Though we see the same world, we see it through different eyes."

    Discussions here and elsewhere remind me of this more and more. There is a very definite whiff of "women: know your place" going on. Kingston's Lib Dem Council recently illustrated this with its advice about why cycling was good for women. It would allow them to carry out their domestic responsibilities while also looking nice. Welcome to the 1950's, Ladies, courtesy of the Liberal (sic) Democrats.
    Oh, fair points, but I have to find a way to describe the world and how it happens. I have less power than an asthmatic ant so ultimately all I really do is note what is happening and write it down, usually using maths in some way. Much as I would like to wave a wand and set the world to rights, I can't. If it helps, I hate that as well.
    It's good that you don't, because you'd probably make it worse...
    I'll bear that in mind should I ever ascend to godhood. After I get my teeth fixed.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475

    Dopermean said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One day into the World Cup, FIFA is doing “actually, the stadiums ARE full” posts stating that there are “ticketed fans… standing in concourses rather than staying in their assigned seats”

    https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3mo4o2wcf622m

    Three matches in and the first two big matches...two of the three host nations. Full stadiums is hardly surprising at this stage and tonights was only a 40k capacity.

    Peter.
    yeah, the point is the stadiums are not full. FIFA are claiming the empty seats belong to people who definitely bought the tickets and are definitely at the stadiums, you just can't see them on TV
    It could be all the people who bought tickets but have had their visas revoked.
    Are there issues for fans going to Mexico or Canada?
    How many fans will either support a team only playing in Mexico or Canada, or will need to fly via the USA to get to Mexico (not so much Canada)?
    Given that Canada has blocked a Ghana player from entering the country, I'd not assume fans are guaranteed free passage.
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,630
    edited June 12
    Cyclefree said:

    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    From @williamglenn -

    "There's an emerging consensus that equality laws are illiberal and counter-productive. It doesn't make any sense for the Tories to swim against the tide just because the Cameron government was responsible for a lot of it."

    What a load of utter nonsense.

    The Equality Act is a consolidating statute consolidating anti-discrimination provisions dating back to the 1960's and 1970's. It was also passed by a Labour government not Cameron.

    There is certainly a campaign by various different groups of idiots to remove certain sex-based rights and anti-discrimination measures, which will also impact gay people and religious people, and to put such groups back in the position they were in in the 1960's and 1970's. That would certainly be extremely illiberal and it is a great pity that the Tories are falling for this nonsense, just as some of the dimmer Labour MPs, much of the Lib Dems and the Greens have done.

    Unlike US feminism, from memory British feminism started becoming discontented with equality around 2010, noting that sometimes it led to outcomes that were not good for women, or at least worse than the status quo ante. This escalated until around 2021 when Julie Bindel published "Feminism for Women: The Real Route to Liberation", which provided (restated?) a theoretical justification for pursuing goals that were inequitable and inegalitarian but were better for women. Thus fortified, British feminists were free to pursue goals that focussed exclusively on the benefit to women, even if they led to inequality

    This is illustrated by your phrase "sex-based rights" and other phrases like"fairness" and the gender-critical networks preceded by "SEEN" - an acronym meaning "Sex Equality And Equity Network" - pay homage to that.

    You may recall that I've mentioned Robert Reilly before, and his work on tracking wars of ideas. One technique is to track the popularity of shibboleths and cant phrases over time. I think that the rise of fairness-based phrases and the fall of equality-based phrases demonstrates that @williamglenn is onto something, albeit not something I like.
    I do not remember the people you have mentioned nor have I read the books you cite.

    I am not making any sort of theoretical argument about what feminism is or should be as a theory.

    My position is a simple one. Women are routinely discriminated against and/or oppressed and/or face sexual violence because of their sex. Their sex. Not gender. Not anything else. Their sex. That is why we need measures such as laws to counter this. Those laws need to be based on reality and that reality revolves around sex. So women need rights based on their sex to counter this.

    The attacks we are seeing now are seeking to deny this reality. If they gain traction and are acted on, then women will continue to be discriminated against etc because of their sex but will lose the ability to articulate this or take effective action against it. You cannot deal with a problem you refuse to name or deny exists. This suits many of the male sex and many politicians, businesses and others who, for a variety of reasons and from different perspectives, resent having to take action to help women live full lives in our society.

    As for women so for minority groups. The same motivation which sees women's rights as some sort of optional extra which can be discarded the moment someone else demands something will be applied to minority groups.

    I have seen huge changes in the position of women in my lifetime. Changes for the better. But what I am now seeing is an attempt to reverse those changes, attempts which have a worryingly high level of support among politicians who should both know better and who claim to be "progressive". They are nothing of the kind but display a worrying level of ignorance and malice. I also see - and this forum is no exception - a refusal to understand or accept this and some particularly stupid and disingenuous attempts to justify it.

    Virginia Woolf's words are very apt here: " Though we see the same world, we see it through different eyes."

    Discussions here and elsewhere remind me of this more and more. There is a very definite whiff of "women: know your place" going on. Kingston's Lib Dem Council recently illustrated this with its advice about why cycling was good for women. It would allow them to carry out their domestic responsibilities while also looking nice. Welcome to the 1950's, Ladies, courtesy of the Liberal (sic) Democrats.
    I had not seen that from Lib Dems in Kingston. It is worse than "advice"; it was part of an official Equalities Impact Assessment attached to a proposal to expand the Borough's provision of dockless e-assisted cycles. They hold 44 from 48 seats.

    They have been firmly roasted.

    eg https://road.cc/news/kingston-council-sexist-equality-assessment

    Their response. Apparently it was a direct quote from an academic paper, which does not excuse them totally failing to think about it.

    https://www.kingston.gov.uk/your-council/statements/equalities-impact-assessment-content-error

    There is some satire:

    It’s true, as soon as I started cycling again as an adult I found myself yelling “alright darlin’!” at every young woman I passed. I also started smoking a pipe, falling asleep while reading a newspaper on Sundays and developed an uncontrollable urge to explain things to random strangers.

    iIt is up there with newspapers nearly always publishing photos of "cyclists" in lycra wearing helmets.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,529
    maxh said:

    kinabalu said:

    I couldn't give a shit about the World Cup.

    Sorry.

    You will if we go deep. No true patriot can remain unmoved in that event. Bet you any money I'm right. You might not be able to get into the football itself but you'll be rooting hard for us to do it. Just simply because of the joy it will bring to so many English people.
    Probably, but that will be for different reasons to the love of football.

    Which I just don't have.
    I don't love football but I do like it. I think that objectively it is the best sport. There's a reason it is the most widely played game in the world.
    Really? I don't feel that strongly either way, but objectively I feel there are sports far more worth of our attention. Football is surely exciting only because it is popular and therefore fits well with a global competition because there are at least 48 teams who have enough of a stake to travel to proto-fascist USA and brave the border guards. If the whole world went mad about, say, speed bouldering, do you not think the next few weeks would be slightly more interesting?
    No, I don't. Football is a very exciting game, a great mix of team effort and individual brilliance, fast moving and athletic but also tactical and celebral. It doesn't favour a particular body type. It can be played at any kind of skill level so you can enjoy a kickabout in the local park with your mates and then watch Real Madrid and it is the same game. In fact, the way that you can trace the game from the grassroots to the highest level is one of the fascinating things about it, eg that Ian Wright used to play for a club, when he was a kid, that my son's team plays against in the local Sunday league. It is endlessly absorbing to watch. This is before you account for its global reach or the fierce hyper local loyalties it engenders. And I say this as someone who is not especially interested in sport in general.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,250
    Looks like Reform are heading for victory in Makerfield, from today's poll.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475

    I couldn't give a shit about the World Cup.

    Sorry.

    OK, I'm sure it's lovely for the players, but does anyone else give a shit about it? Even the flags at the local flaggy football pub seem a bit forlorn.
    Even in the shops, the World Cup has not taken off. Many have been sounding off about the decline of Pride month, often with a triumphalist tone, but it may be the same with the World Cup. Still, there is more than a month to go before the business end of the tournament so it has time to build.

    Although come to think of it, a few trolley-loads of beer (or water) have been sold. Is that the World Cup or the summer?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,015
    Andy_JS said:

    Looks like Reform are heading for victory in Makerfield, from today's poll.

    More like Restore will cost Reform victory
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475
    edited June 12
    I am slowly coming round to the view that England can win this thing.

    Admittedly you can plot a path to the final for several other European or South American teams but I'm more worried about the physical conditions than opposing teams blocking England's second World Cup.

    Anyway, we'll see how things develop. I doubt the group stage will change the odds much so there is imo no rush to bet.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,069
    Apols if this groundbreaking policy has already been covered, but I'm blown away :

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3wyezwly69o\

    "Ministers want 60% of children walking or cycling to school by 2035"

    It's this kind of mind blowing "might happen in 10 years or so" policies that are really keeping on cheerleading for Keir. I mean - can you imagine only 40% of children being driven to school in a roughly ten-year timeframe?! Is this not the very definition of the "Change" manifesto?
  • MattWMattW Posts: 33,630
    edited June 12
    MattW said:

    Cyclefree said:

    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    From @williamglenn -

    "There's an emerging consensus that equality laws are illiberal and counter-productive. It doesn't make any sense for the Tories to swim against the tide just because the Cameron government was responsible for a lot of it."

    What a load of utter nonsense.

    The Equality Act is a consolidating statute consolidating anti-discrimination provisions dating back to the 1960's and 1970's. It was also passed by a Labour government not Cameron.

    There is certainly a campaign by various different groups of idiots to remove certain sex-based rights and anti-discrimination measures, which will also impact gay people and religious people, and to put such groups back in the position they were in in the 1960's and 1970's. That would certainly be extremely illiberal and it is a great pity that the Tories are falling for this nonsense, just as some of the dimmer Labour MPs, much of the Lib Dems and the Greens have done.

    Unlike US feminism, from memory British feminism started becoming discontented with equality around 2010, noting that sometimes it led to outcomes that were not good for women, or at least worse than the status quo ante. This escalated until around 2021 when Julie Bindel published "Feminism for Women: The Real Route to Liberation", which provided (restated?) a theoretical justification for pursuing goals that were inequitable and inegalitarian but were better for women. Thus fortified, British feminists were free to pursue goals that focussed exclusively on the benefit to women, even if they led to inequality

    This is illustrated by your phrase "sex-based rights" and other phrases like"fairness" and the gender-critical networks preceded by "SEEN" - an acronym meaning "Sex Equality And Equity Network" - pay homage to that.

    You may recall that I've mentioned Robert Reilly before, and his work on tracking wars of ideas. One technique is to track the popularity of shibboleths and cant phrases over time. I think that the rise of fairness-based phrases and the fall of equality-based phrases demonstrates that @williamglenn is onto something, albeit not something I like.
    I do not remember the people you have mentioned nor have I read the books you cite.

    I am not making any sort of theoretical argument about what feminism is or should be as a theory.

    My position is a simple one. Women are routinely discriminated against and/or oppressed and/or face sexual violence because of their sex. Their sex. Not gender. Not anything else. Their sex. That is why we need measures such as laws to counter this. Those laws need to be based on reality and that reality revolves around sex. So women need rights based on their sex to counter this.

    The attacks we are seeing now are seeking to deny this reality. If they gain traction and are acted on, then women will continue to be discriminated against etc because of their sex but will lose the ability to articulate this or take effective action against it. You cannot deal with a problem you refuse to name or deny exists. This suits many of the male sex and many politicians, businesses and others who, for a variety of reasons and from different perspectives, resent having to take action to help women live full lives in our society.

    As for women so for minority groups. The same motivation which sees women's rights as some sort of optional extra which can be discarded the moment someone else demands something will be applied to minority groups.

    I have seen huge changes in the position of women in my lifetime. Changes for the better. But what I am now seeing is an attempt to reverse those changes, attempts which have a worryingly high level of support among politicians who should both know better and who claim to be "progressive". They are nothing of the kind but display a worrying level of ignorance and malice. I also see - and this forum is no exception - a refusal to understand or accept this and some particularly stupid and disingenuous attempts to justify it.

    Virginia Woolf's words are very apt here: " Though we see the same world, we see it through different eyes."

    Discussions here and elsewhere remind me of this more and more. There is a very definite whiff of "women: know your place" going on. Kingston's Lib Dem Council recently illustrated this with its advice about why cycling was good for women. It would allow them to carry out their domestic responsibilities while also looking nice. Welcome to the 1950's, Ladies, courtesy of the Liberal (sic) Democrats.
    I had not seen that from Lib Dems in Kingston. It is worse than "advice"; it was part of an official Equalities Impact Assessment attached to a proposal to expand the Borough's provision of dockless e-assisted cycles. They hold 44 from 48 seats.

    They have been firmly roasted.

    eg https://road.cc/news/kingston-council-sexist-equality-assessment

    Their response. Apparently it was a direct quote from an academic paper, which does not excuse them totally failing to think about it.

    https://www.kingston.gov.uk/your-council/statements/equalities-impact-assessment-content-error

    There is some satire:

    It’s true, as soon as I started cycling again as an adult I found myself yelling “alright darlin’!” at every young woman I passed. I also started smoking a pipe, falling asleep while reading a newspaper on Sundays and developed an uncontrollable urge to explain things to random strangers.

    iIt is up there with newspapers nearly always publishing photos of "cyclists" in lycra wearing helmets.
    Checking, the Assessment was written by a team of three, comprising two women and one man.

    The quote is from a New Zealand academic paper about the potential benefits of e-bikes for women.

    Insufficient thinking, methinks, by the officers / consultants, and Councillors not being on the ball if they checked it.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Cyclefree said:

    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    From @williamglenn -

    "There's an emerging consensus that equality laws are illiberal and counter-productive. It doesn't make any sense for the Tories to swim against the tide just because the Cameron government was responsible for a lot of it."

    What a load of utter nonsense.

    The Equality Act is a consolidating statute consolidating anti-discrimination provisions dating back to the 1960's and 1970's. It was also passed by a Labour government not Cameron.

    There is certainly a campaign by various different groups of idiots to remove certain sex-based rights and anti-discrimination measures, which will also impact gay people and religious people, and to put such groups back in the position they were in in the 1960's and 1970's. That would certainly be extremely illiberal and it is a great pity that the Tories are falling for this nonsense, just as some of the dimmer Labour MPs, much of the Lib Dems and the Greens have done.

    Unlike US feminism, from memory British feminism started becoming discontented with equality around 2010, noting that sometimes it led to outcomes that were not good for women, or at least worse than the status quo ante. This escalated until around 2021 when Julie Bindel published "Feminism for Women: The Real Route to Liberation", which provided (restated?) a theoretical justification for pursuing goals that were inequitable and inegalitarian but were better for women. Thus fortified, British feminists were free to pursue goals that focussed exclusively on the benefit to women, even if they led to inequality

    This is illustrated by your phrase "sex-based rights" and other phrases like"fairness" and the gender-critical networks preceded by "SEEN" - an acronym meaning "Sex Equality And Equity Network" - pay homage to that.

    You may recall that I've mentioned Robert Reilly before, and his work on tracking wars of ideas. One technique is to track the popularity of shibboleths and cant phrases over time. I think that the rise of fairness-based phrases and the fall of equality-based phrases demonstrates that @williamglenn is onto something, albeit not something I like.
    I do not remember the people you have mentioned nor have I read the books you cite.

    I am not making any sort of theoretical argument about what feminism is or should be as a theory.

    My position is a simple one. Women are routinely discriminated against and/or oppressed and/or face sexual violence because of their sex. Their sex. Not gender. Not anything else. Their sex. That is why we need measures such as laws to counter this. Those laws need to be based on reality and that reality revolves around sex. So women need rights based on their sex to counter this.

    The attacks we are seeing now are seeking to deny this reality. If they gain traction and are acted on, then women will continue to be discriminated against etc because of their sex but will lose the ability to articulate this or take effective action against it. You cannot deal with a problem you refuse to name or deny exists. This suits many of the male sex and many politicians, businesses and others who, for a variety of reasons and from different perspectives, resent having to take action to help women live full lives in our society.

    As for women so for minority groups. The same motivation which sees women's rights as some sort of optional extra which can be discarded the moment someone else demands something will be applied to minority groups.

    I have seen huge changes in the position of women in my lifetime. Changes for the better. But what I am now seeing is an attempt to reverse those changes, attempts which have a worryingly high level of support among politicians who should both know better and who claim to be "progressive". They are nothing of the kind but display a worrying level of ignorance and malice. I also see - and this forum is no exception - a refusal to understand or accept this and some particularly stupid and disingenuous attempts to justify it.

    Virginia Woolf's words are very apt here: " Though we see the same world, we see it through different eyes."

    Discussions here and elsewhere remind me of this more and more. There is a very definite whiff of "women: know your place" going on. Kingston's Lib Dem Council recently illustrated this with its advice about why cycling was good for women. It would allow them to carry out their domestic responsibilities while also looking nice. Welcome to the 1950's, Ladies, courtesy of the Liberal (sic) Democrats.
    I had not seen that from Lib Dems in Kingston. It is worse than "advice"; it was part of an official Equalities Impact Assessment attached to a proposal to expand the Borough's provision of dockless e-assisted cycles. They hold 44 from 48 seats.

    They have been firmly roasted.

    eg https://road.cc/news/kingston-council-sexist-equality-assessment

    Their response. Apparently it was a direct quote from an academic paper, which does not excuse them totally failing to think about it.

    https://www.kingston.gov.uk/your-council/statements/equalities-impact-assessment-content-error

    There is some satire:

    It’s true, as soon as I started cycling again as an adult I found myself yelling “alright darlin’!” at every young woman I passed. I also started smoking a pipe, falling asleep while reading a newspaper on Sundays and developed an uncontrollable urge to explain things to random strangers.

    iIt is up there with newspapers nearly always publishing photos of "cyclists" in lycra wearing helmets.
    Checking, the Assessment was written by a team of three, comprising two women and one man.

    The quote is from a New Zealand academic paper about the potential benefits of e-bikes for women.

    Insufficient thinking, methinks, by the officers / consultants, and Councillors not being on the ball if they checked it.
    Or their critics are not au fait with the gathering view that e-bikes will enable older people (and ladies, apparently) to cycle so it is fine to ban cars. Whether anyone thinks this who does not have a chauffeur...
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,979

    I couldn't give a shit about the World Cup.

    Sorry.

    OK, I'm sure it's lovely for the players, but does anyone else give a shit about it? Even the flags at the local flaggy football pub seem a bit forlorn.
    England and Scotland haven't played yet. It always feels a bit pointless when it's just stupid teams like Curacao or Qatar or the USA playing. Once our lads hit the pitch you start to feel it again. I already watched a bit of South Africa vs Mexico with my son the other night.
    I love that you watched it with your son. I have watched every opening match since 1986. The first was Mexico playing at the Azteca and I remember my father allowing me to stay up to watch it with him. 40 years later I watched the first match of the World Cup played at the Azteca and I would have given one of my balls to have been able to turn round to him and talk rubbish about football. Enjoy every moment.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,250
    "Miliband comes for underfloor heating in net zero drive
    Energy Secretary to introduce curbs on towel rails and gas fires in push for energy-efficient technology"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/net-zero/miliband-underfloor-heating-in-net-zero-drive/
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,972
    ...
    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband comes for underfloor heating in net zero drive
    Energy Secretary to introduce curbs on towel rails and gas fires in push for energy-efficient technology"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/net-zero/miliband-underfloor-heating-in-net-zero-drive/

    If it wasn't paywalled I would read It. Are we sure the story like the other 30 or 40 recent Telegraph stories about Milliband banning stuff is based on reality or simply an unhinged headline.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,447

    ...

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband comes for underfloor heating in net zero drive
    Energy Secretary to introduce curbs on towel rails and gas fires in push for energy-efficient technology"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/net-zero/miliband-underfloor-heating-in-net-zero-drive/

    If it wasn't paywalled I would read It. Are we sure the story like the other 30 or 40 recent Telegraph stories about Milliband banning stuff is based on reality or simply an unhinged headline.
    If the plan is to phase out gas central heating anyway why wouldn’t they phase out gas fires ?

    As for underfloor heating. I had it in a flat I used to live in on the Pershore Road. Expensive and inefficient.

    I’d be interested to know if it is still fitted to new builds,
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,148
    edited 3:47AM
    Taz said:

    ...

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband comes for underfloor heating in net zero drive
    Energy Secretary to introduce curbs on towel rails and gas fires in push for energy-efficient technology"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/net-zero/miliband-underfloor-heating-in-net-zero-drive/

    If it wasn't paywalled I would read It. Are we sure the story like the other 30 or 40 recent Telegraph stories about Milliband banning stuff is based on reality or simply an unhinged headline.
    If the plan is to phase out gas central heating anyway why wouldn’t they phase out gas fires ?

    As for underfloor heating. I had it in a flat I used to live in on the Pershore Road. Expensive and inefficient.

    I’d be interested to know if it is still fitted to new builds,
    If it’s hot water via gas it’s usually more efficient than radiators. If electric, yeah, avoid like the plague.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,447
    RobD said:

    Taz said:

    ...

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband comes for underfloor heating in net zero drive
    Energy Secretary to introduce curbs on towel rails and gas fires in push for energy-efficient technology"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/net-zero/miliband-underfloor-heating-in-net-zero-drive/

    If it wasn't paywalled I would read It. Are we sure the story like the other 30 or 40 recent Telegraph stories about Milliband banning stuff is based on reality or simply an unhinged headline.
    If the plan is to phase out gas central heating anyway why wouldn’t they phase out gas fires ?

    As for underfloor heating. I had it in a flat I used to live in on the Pershore Road. Expensive and inefficient.

    I’d be interested to know if it is still fitted to new builds,
    If it’s hot water via gas it’s usually more efficient than radiators. If electric, yeah, avoid like the plague.
    Mine was electric.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475
    Taz said:

    RobD said:

    Taz said:

    ...

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband comes for underfloor heating in net zero drive
    Energy Secretary to introduce curbs on towel rails and gas fires in push for energy-efficient technology"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/net-zero/miliband-underfloor-heating-in-net-zero-drive/

    If it wasn't paywalled I would read It. Are we sure the story like the other 30 or 40 recent Telegraph stories about Milliband banning stuff is based on reality or simply an unhinged headline.
    If the plan is to phase out gas central heating anyway why wouldn’t they phase out gas fires ?

    As for underfloor heating. I had it in a flat I used to live in on the Pershore Road. Expensive and inefficient.

    I’d be interested to know if it is still fitted to new builds,
    If it’s hot water via gas it’s usually more efficient than radiators. If electric, yeah, avoid like the plague.
    Mine was electric.
    Here is the non-paywalled gift link to the Telegraph article:-

    Miliband comes for underfloor heating in net zero drive
    Energy Secretary to introduce curbs on towel rails and gas fires in push for energy-efficient technology

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/e8b58efc12fbe181
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,670

    ...

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband comes for underfloor heating in net zero drive
    Energy Secretary to introduce curbs on towel rails and gas fires in push for energy-efficient technology"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/net-zero/miliband-underfloor-heating-in-net-zero-drive/

    If it wasn't paywalled I would read It. Are we sure the story like the other 30 or 40 recent Telegraph stories about Milliband banning stuff is based on reality or simply an unhinged headline.
    I scrapped my paywall subscriptions to both the Telegraph and the Times and I can't say I'm any less informed as a result. Free sites, blogs and links cover much.

    Very occasionally I still buy a paper at the weekends.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,670
    ohnotnow said:

    Apols if this groundbreaking policy has already been covered, but I'm blown away :

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3wyezwly69o\

    "Ministers want 60% of children walking or cycling to school by 2035"

    It's this kind of mind blowing "might happen in 10 years or so" policies that are really keeping on cheerleading for Keir. I mean - can you imagine only 40% of children being driven to school in a roughly ten-year timeframe?! Is this not the very definition of the "Change" manifesto?

    It won't happen, because parents control it and for weather/safety/security and time management reasons the car is a choice that manages them all.

    It also strikes me as a North London policy wonk idea who struggle to realise what life is like for most people outside cities, and hate cars - this government is full of people like that.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,670
    Andy_JS said:

    Looks like Reform are heading for victory in Makerfield, from today's poll.

    How do you figure that?

    My reading of this is that it's now done to turnout and his favourability figures and groundgame (has Farage got any better at this?) will see him home.

    If it were anyone but Andy Burnham acting as an ejection mechanism for Starmer, I'd agree with you.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475
    In politics former Conservative MP David Gauke is knighted for services to the justice system after carrying out an independent review of sentencing.

    Labour MP Jessica Morden is made a dame for her political service and former Tory MP Greg Hands is knighted for the same reason.

    Chris Mullin, a former Labour MP who played a key role in the release of wrongly convicted Birmingham Six, is knighted for political and public service.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gyx4dnr21o
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,670

    kinabalu said:

    I couldn't give a shit about the World Cup.

    Sorry.

    You will if we go deep. No true patriot can remain unmoved in that event. Bet you any money I'm right. You might not be able to get into the football itself but you'll be rooting hard for us to do it. Just simply because of the joy it will bring to so many English people.
    Probably, but that will be for different reasons to the love of football.

    Which I just don't have.
    I don't love football but I do like it. I think that objectively it is the best sport. There's a reason it is the most widely played game in the world.
    The second statement doesn't validate your first.

    It's cheap, accessible and easy (in principle) to learn so anyone can play. It's also social. I agree with that.

    But I find it really boring.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,299
    ohnotnow said:

    Apols if this groundbreaking policy has already been covered, but I'm blown away :

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3wyezwly69o\

    "Ministers want 60% of children walking or cycling to school by 2035"

    It's this kind of mind blowing "might happen in 10 years or so" policies that are really keeping on cheerleading for Keir. I mean - can you imagine only 40% of children being driven to school in a roughly ten-year timeframe?! Is this not the very definition of the "Change" manifesto?

    The Walking bus, in some parts of the UK is a great idea.

    Schools on large Estates with all children living within a mile.

    Parents and approved School Staff collect first child and systematically walk a route, pick up clildren along the way, a long rope that children hold at set gaps, by the time each route gets to school they have had a safe walk, 40-50 pupils on each route carefully and safety delivered to and from school and not a Range Rover in sight!
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,349
    Reading the Times article about Burnhams alleged welfare cuts . It looks like more waffle . He’s quoted as saying .

    “It is not the traditional Westminster way of just crude cuts , short term crude cuts that then create a backlash and create political turbulence.

    Moving towards a more preventative state that makes the right investments to support people into work “.

    Don’t all governments always state the latter ?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475
    Soccerball news:-

    USA beat Paraguay 4-1 and those who backed Folarin Balogun at 500/1 for the golden boot might be wondering whether to take a profit now he is into 16/1. He scored two and had a third disallowed. He could have played for England! Hmm. I've just noticed his name is not underlined as a spelling error so well done the techies!

    England were the victims of an audacious World Cup heist after the players’ match boots were stolen from a van before their first training session in Kansas City.
    https://www.dailymail.com/sport/football/article-15896595/england-world-cup-heist-kansas-florida.html
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475
    nico67 said:

    Reading the Times article about Burnhams alleged welfare cuts . It looks like more waffle . He’s quoted as saying .

    “It is not the traditional Westminster way of just crude cuts , short term crude cuts that then create a backlash and create political turbulence.

    Moving towards a more preventative state that makes the right investments to support people into work “.

    Don’t all governments always state the latter ?

    IDS might have said as much before he noticed his UC programme was being undermined by George Osborne.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475
    Brixian59 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Apols if this groundbreaking policy has already been covered, but I'm blown away :

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3wyezwly69o\

    "Ministers want 60% of children walking or cycling to school by 2035"

    It's this kind of mind blowing "might happen in 10 years or so" policies that are really keeping on cheerleading for Keir. I mean - can you imagine only 40% of children being driven to school in a roughly ten-year timeframe?! Is this not the very definition of the "Change" manifesto?

    The Walking bus, in some parts of the UK is a great idea.

    Schools on large Estates with all children living within a mile.

    Parents and approved School Staff collect first child and systematically walk a route, pick up clildren along the way, a long rope that children hold at set gaps, by the time each route gets to school they have had a safe walk, 40-50 pupils on each route carefully and safety delivered to and from school and not a Range Rover in sight!
    A long rope? Primary school children are regularly seen walking on school trips in London without so much as piece of string holding them together. They do often wear high vis tops though, presumably so teachers can easily identify the group.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,349
    Not sure if it’s been posted yet but Opinium have a new Makerfield poll which came out last night.

    Labour 46
    Reform 41
    Restore 7

    The fieldwork dates haven’t been published yet .
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,948
    Good morning, everyone.

    Does Starmer woe help Burnham, on the basis a vote for Burnham is a vote to end Starmer's premiership?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475
    Satellite images reveal Putin 'is preparing for war with Europe' as UK's defence plans descend into chaos

    Satellite images have exposed the expansion of dozens of military bases along Russia's borders with Nato countries.

    The evidence - released by Denmark's national broadcaster in cooperation with intelligence services - shows a flurry of construction work has been taking place.

    New barracks, warehouses and military vehicles have been added over the past two years.

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15894289/Warnings-Putin-preparing-larger-war-Europe-satellite-images-reveal-military-expansion-NATO-border.html
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475
    Am I alone in feeling uneasy that the Palestine activists yesterday imprisoned for terrorist offences were not in fact convicted of terrorist offences? The government wants to abolish juries but in the mean time, a judge can simply add on a terrorist connection that the state was frit to put to a jury.

    Representing Head, Rajiv Menon KC had told Johnson that it was unprecedented for the prosecution to apply for a judge to sentence a defendant as a terrorist for a non-violent offence. Menon said it was “an invitation to chilling, creeping authoritarianism that undermines the very fabric of our society”.

    In written arguments, Mira Hammad KC, representing Kamio, said the defendants had initially been arrested on suspicion of involvement in acts of terrorism but not charged with those offences “showing that a deliberate decision was taken not to submit the crown’s case [that there was terrorism] to the arbitrament of a jury …[therefore] the court should not allow the crown to use [section 69] as a vehicle for enhancing sentence in circumstances where it has determined that a conviction for the same offence by the jury is unlikely”.

    Tom Wainwright KC, representing Corner, said a terrorist connection finding against the defendants would also mean the suffragettes, the Greenham Common women and the Trident Ploughshares movement were terrorists. “It’s wrong for someone to be sentenced for a more serious offence of which they have not been convicted,” he added.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2026/jun/12/palestine-action-activists-sentenced-terrorists-damage-elbit-systems-uk-israel
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475
    No 10 was braced for Reeves or Miliband to quit. Then Healey jumped ship
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-defence-strategy-john-healey-bsncps22n (£££)
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475
    Meet the TikTokers making history a hit with Gen Z

    Viral posts exploring everything from Victorian gossip to odour-blocking
    curtains are driving a boost in footfall for museums

    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/history/article/tiktok-history-creators-driving-visitors-museums-l3stgrr2m (£££)

    Ban children from social media!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,831
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One day into the World Cup, FIFA is doing “actually, the stadiums ARE full” posts stating that there are “ticketed fans… standing in concourses rather than staying in their assigned seats”

    https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3mo4o2wcf622m

    Three matches in and the first two big matches...two of the three host nations. Full stadiums is hardly surprising at this stage and tonights was only a 40k capacity.

    Peter.
    yeah, the point is the stadiums are not full. FIFA are claiming the empty seats belong to people who definitely bought the tickets and are definitely at the stadiums, you just can't see them on TV
    It’s going to be rather amusing if FIFA have totally screwed the pooch with the ticketing.

    They set up their own tout site, to take a cut of the ‘secondary market’ for tickets at stupid prices, and it looks like FIFA and the touts are going to get their arses handed to them by the fans.

    No, people aren’t going to pay $3,000 to see Ivory Coast play Ecuador on Monday.

    Couldn’t happen to a nicer bunch of people!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,567

    No 10 was braced for Reeves or Miliband to quit. Then Healey jumped ship
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-defence-strategy-john-healey-bsncps22n (£££)

    Why would he need to brace for Reeves quitting? Fear that the overwhelming relief would cause him to die laughing?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,083
    edited 6:11AM
    Taz said:

    ...

    Andy_JS said:

    "Miliband comes for underfloor heating in net zero drive
    Energy Secretary to introduce curbs on towel rails and gas fires in push for energy-efficient technology"

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/net-zero/miliband-underfloor-heating-in-net-zero-drive/

    If it wasn't paywalled I would read It. Are we sure the story like the other 30 or 40 recent Telegraph stories about Milliband banning stuff is based on reality or simply an unhinged headline.
    If the plan is to phase out gas central heating anyway why wouldn’t they phase out gas fires ?

    As for underfloor heating. I had it in a flat I used to live in on the Pershore Road. Expensive and inefficient.

    I’d be interested to know if it is still fitted to new builds,
    We fitted it to ours. If you look on Buildhub.org.uk you’ll see underfloor heating driven by an air source heat pump is the gold standard for heating (with optional cooling as a byproduct) in self-build houses. Very efficient but does need a well insulated floor.

    Retrofit electric UFH on a poorly insulated floor is an expensive mistake though.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,831

    No 10 was braced for Reeves or Miliband to quit. Then Healey jumped ship
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-defence-strategy-john-healey-bsncps22n (£££)

    Healy and Carns resigning, with blistering letters to the PM, was about the worst case scenario for No.10.

    No-one would have mourned Reeves or Miliband walking away.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475
    nico67 said:

    Not sure if it’s been posted yet but Opinium have a new Makerfield poll which came out last night.

    Labour 46
    Reform 41
    Restore 7

    The fieldwork dates haven’t been published yet .

    It's looking like a GOTV by-election. Who will turn out to vote and who will be too knackered after watching the World Cup through the night? Polling shows a clear sex division but only the worst type of misogynist will predict Reform's men will be tired and emotional while Burnham's women will be bright-eyed and bushy-tailed.

    England play Croatia on Wednesday night (9pm kick-off). Will Jordan Pickford's tummy decide the next Prime Minister?

    Then into the early hours of Thursday morning, Ghana vs Panama (midnight) and Uzbekistan vs Colombia (3am).
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,336
    Morning all. So assuming all Burnham's ducks like up, what would a Burnham premiership look like? As a Labour 'populist' as opposed to a Reform 'populist' would his numbers stack up any more than Farage's? I get the overwhelming feeling that job protection for current Labour MP's is a bigger factor than running the country sensibly. And look how that worked out for the Conservatives.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,083
    Sandpit said:

    No 10 was braced for Reeves or Miliband to quit. Then Healey jumped ship
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-defence-strategy-john-healey-bsncps22n (£££)

    Healy and Carns resigning, with blistering letters to the PM, was about the worst case scenario for No.10.

    No-one would have mourned Reeves or Miliband walking away.
    On what possible planet would Reeves have resigned? Her only hope of remaining as chancellor is for Starmer to stay on.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,831
    SpaceX shares up nearly 20% on the first day listed, and continuing to rise further in after-hours trading.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SPCX/

    4,500 SPCX employees became millionaires yesterday, and 400 who had been there since before they launched a rocket to orbit are all now worth $100m each!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,083

    nico67 said:

    Not sure if it’s been posted yet but Opinium have a new Makerfield poll which came out last night.

    Labour 46
    Reform 41
    Restore 7

    The fieldwork dates haven’t been published yet .

    It's looking like a GOTV by-election. Who will turn out to vote and who will be too knackered after watching the World Cup through the night? Polling shows a clear sex division but only the worst type of misogynist will predict Reform's men will be tired and emotional while Burnham's women will be bright-eyed and bushy-tailed.

    England play Croatia on Wednesday night (9pm kick-off). Will Jordan Pickford's tummy decide the next Prime Minister?

    Then into the early hours of Thursday morning, Ghana vs Panama (midnight) and Uzbekistan vs Colombia (3am).
    Not sure the other two matches will have much impact on Makerfield tbh.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475
    Sandpit said:

    No 10 was braced for Reeves or Miliband to quit. Then Healey jumped ship
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-defence-strategy-john-healey-bsncps22n (£££)

    Healy and Carns resigning, with blistering letters to the PM, was about the worst case scenario for No.10.

    No-one would have mourned Reeves or Miliband walking away.
    Are you doubting Number 10's grasp of political reality? The Starmer/McSweeney dream team is back together – the boys who brought you Lord Mandelson!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,083
    Sandpit said:

    SpaceX shares up nearly 20% on the first day listed, and continuing to rise further in after-hours trading.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SPCX/

    4,500 SPCX employees became millionaires yesterday, and 400 who had been there since before they launched a rocket to orbit are all now worth $100m each!

    Are those shares tied to future service or are the employees free to walk away with their millions? If the latter I could imagine a mini exodus.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475
    Sandpit said:

    SpaceX shares up nearly 20% on the first day listed, and continuing to rise further in after-hours trading.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SPCX/

    4,500 SPCX employees became millionaires yesterday, and 400 who had been there since before they launched a rocket to orbit are all now worth $100m each!

    The most employee millionaires since Microsoft? It will be interesting to see how many newly-minted SpaceX workers leave to start (almost said launch) their own start-ups or philanthropic trusts.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,486

    1st? Unlike Burnham. LOL.

    Can't say I get the joke.
    Burnham orchestrating a by-election to further his own career and then losing would be objectively funny.
    Anything that boosts Reform is seriously unfunny imo.
    Although Burnham winning by 1 pp would be ideal for the Tories
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,567

    Sandpit said:

    SpaceX shares up nearly 20% on the first day listed, and continuing to rise further in after-hours trading.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SPCX/

    4,500 SPCX employees became millionaires yesterday, and 400 who had been there since before they launched a rocket to orbit are all now worth $100m each!

    The most employee millionaires since Microsoft? It will be interesting to see how many newly-minted SpaceX workers leave to start (almost said launch) their own start-ups or philanthropic trusts.
    How many of them will just crash moments after launch?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,831

    Sandpit said:

    SpaceX shares up nearly 20% on the first day listed, and continuing to rise further in after-hours trading.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SPCX/

    4,500 SPCX employees became millionaires yesterday, and 400 who had been there since before they launched a rocket to orbit are all now worth $100m each!

    Are those shares tied to future service or are the employees free to walk away with their millions? If the latter I could imagine a mini exodus.
    Yes there’s a lot of rules about the employees selling shares, various waiting periods and sell limits.

    IIRC when Google staff were allowed to start selling their shares, the car park the following Monday contained a lot more interesting machinery, but mostly they still turned up.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475

    Sandpit said:

    SpaceX shares up nearly 20% on the first day listed, and continuing to rise further in after-hours trading.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SPCX/

    4,500 SPCX employees became millionaires yesterday, and 400 who had been there since before they launched a rocket to orbit are all now worth $100m each!

    Are those shares tied to future service or are the employees free to walk away with their millions? If the latter I could imagine a mini exodus.
    It makes no real difference, apart from timing. Either now or in a year or two, simultaneously hundreds of SpaceX workers will be flashing Black Amex and those banana shoes that TSE likes.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,486
    Scott_xP said:

    LIVE: See Donald Trump’s name come off the Kennedy Center as it happens

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAhm880quUg

    That’s 11 hours of putting scaffolding up…
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,083
    Musk has more wealth than three quarters of the world’s nations.

    And I bet it still doesn’t make him happy.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,091

    It's happened again. See social media for video footage of the incident.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gypqp0rp9o

    Girl, 17, stabbed in the neck in street attack

    The homicide rate in the UK is at its lowest since 1977.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475

    Sandpit said:

    No 10 was braced for Reeves or Miliband to quit. Then Healey jumped ship
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-defence-strategy-john-healey-bsncps22n (£££)

    Healy and Carns resigning, with blistering letters to the PM, was about the worst case scenario for No.10.

    No-one would have mourned Reeves or Miliband walking away.
    On what possible planet would Reeves have resigned? Her only hope of remaining as chancellor is for Starmer to stay on.
    Does Reeves want to remain Chancellor for an extra few weeks or would she fancy three years of first class flights and state banquets as Foreign Secretary to a grateful Wes Streeting Andy Burnham? Or even, since this is Labour, a chance to build something running a spending department – whether you like what Miliband, Phillipson and Streeting have done or not, at least they've done something.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,831
    edited 6:29AM

    Sandpit said:

    SpaceX shares up nearly 20% on the first day listed, and continuing to rise further in after-hours trading.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/SPCX/

    4,500 SPCX employees became millionaires yesterday, and 400 who had been there since before they launched a rocket to orbit are all now worth $100m each!

    The most employee millionaires since Microsoft? It will be interesting to see how many newly-minted SpaceX workers leave to start (almost said launch) their own start-ups or philanthropic trusts.
    One can imagine that a few of the $100m+ club members might have some investment ideas in their heads. Watch for some interesting aerospace/defence startups in the next couple of years. There’s certainly not going to be a shortage of people pitching to them!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,083

    It's happened again. See social media for video footage of the incident.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gypqp0rp9o

    Girl, 17, stabbed in the neck in street attack

    The homicide rate in the UK is at its lowest since 1977.
    Tut tut that’s not on message at all.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,567
    edited 6:32AM

    Sandpit said:

    No 10 was braced for Reeves or Miliband to quit. Then Healey jumped ship
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-defence-strategy-john-healey-bsncps22n (£££)

    Healy and Carns resigning, with blistering letters to the PM, was about the worst case scenario for No.10.

    No-one would have mourned Reeves or Miliband walking away.
    On what possible planet would Reeves have resigned? Her only hope of remaining as chancellor is for Starmer to stay on.
    Does Reeves want to remain Chancellor for an extra few weeks or would she fancy three years of first class flights and state banquets as Foreign Secretary to a grateful Wes Streeting Andy Burnham? Or even, since this is Labour, a chance to build something running a spending department – whether you like what Miliband, Phillipson and Streeting have done or not, at least they've done something.
    In the case of the last two, inherited a big and expensive crisis and turned it into a much bigger and more expensive crisis.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475

    It's happened again. See social media for video footage of the incident.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gypqp0rp9o

    Girl, 17, stabbed in the neck in street attack

    The homicide rate in the UK is at its lowest since 1977.
    A great comfort to us all.

    Unless support for populist parties is not founded on careful statistical analysis but on visceral outrage at children being stabbed in the street, amplified by social media. Then it might make a difference.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,091
    MattW said:

    MattW said:

    Cyclefree said:

    viewcode said:

    Cyclefree said:

    From @williamglenn -

    "There's an emerging consensus that equality laws are illiberal and counter-productive. It doesn't make any sense for the Tories to swim against the tide just because the Cameron government was responsible for a lot of it."

    What a load of utter nonsense.

    The Equality Act is a consolidating statute consolidating anti-discrimination provisions dating back to the 1960's and 1970's. It was also passed by a Labour government not Cameron.

    There is certainly a campaign by various different groups of idiots to remove certain sex-based rights and anti-discrimination measures, which will also impact gay people and religious people, and to put such groups back in the position they were in in the 1960's and 1970's. That would certainly be extremely illiberal and it is a great pity that the Tories are falling for this nonsense, just as some of the dimmer Labour MPs, much of the Lib Dems and the Greens have done.

    Unlike US feminism, from memory British feminism started becoming discontented with equality around 2010, noting that sometimes it led to outcomes that were not good for women, or at least worse than the status quo ante. This escalated until around 2021 when Julie Bindel published "Feminism for Women: The Real Route to Liberation", which provided (restated?) a theoretical justification for pursuing goals that were inequitable and inegalitarian but were better for women. Thus fortified, British feminists were free to pursue goals that focussed exclusively on the benefit to women, even if they led to inequality

    This is illustrated by your phrase "sex-based rights" and other phrases like"fairness" and the gender-critical networks preceded by "SEEN" - an acronym meaning "Sex Equality And Equity Network" - pay homage to that.

    You may recall that I've mentioned Robert Reilly before, and his work on tracking wars of ideas. One technique is to track the popularity of shibboleths and cant phrases over time. I think that the rise of fairness-based phrases and the fall of equality-based phrases demonstrates that @williamglenn is onto something, albeit not something I like.
    I do not remember the people you have mentioned nor have I read the books you cite.

    I am not making any sort of theoretical argument about what feminism is or should be as a theory.

    My position is a simple one. Women are routinely discriminated against and/or oppressed and/or face sexual violence because of their sex. Their sex. Not gender. Not anything else. Their sex. That is why we need measures such as laws to counter this. Those laws need to be based on reality and that reality revolves around sex. So women need rights based on their sex to counter this.

    The attacks we are seeing now are seeking to deny this reality. If they gain traction and are acted on, then women will continue to be discriminated against etc because of their sex but will lose the ability to articulate this or take effective action against it. You cannot deal with a problem you refuse to name or deny exists. This suits many of the male sex and many politicians, businesses and others who, for a variety of reasons and from different perspectives, resent having to take action to help women live full lives in our society.

    As for women so for minority groups. The same motivation which sees women's rights as some sort of optional extra which can be discarded the moment someone else demands something will be applied to minority groups.

    I have seen huge changes in the position of women in my lifetime. Changes for the better. But what I am now seeing is an attempt to reverse those changes, attempts which have a worryingly high level of support among politicians who should both know better and who claim to be "progressive". They are nothing of the kind but display a worrying level of ignorance and malice. I also see - and this forum is no exception - a refusal to understand or accept this and some particularly stupid and disingenuous attempts to justify it.

    Virginia Woolf's words are very apt here: " Though we see the same world, we see it through different eyes."

    Discussions here and elsewhere remind me of this more and more. There is a very definite whiff of "women: know your place" going on. Kingston's Lib Dem Council recently illustrated this with its advice about why cycling was good for women. It would allow them to carry out their domestic responsibilities while also looking nice. Welcome to the 1950's, Ladies, courtesy of the Liberal (sic) Democrats.
    I had not seen that from Lib Dems in Kingston. It is worse than "advice"; it was part of an official Equalities Impact Assessment attached to a proposal to expand the Borough's provision of dockless e-assisted cycles. They hold 44 from 48 seats.

    They have been firmly roasted.

    eg https://road.cc/news/kingston-council-sexist-equality-assessment

    Their response. Apparently it was a direct quote from an academic paper, which does not excuse them totally failing to think about it.

    https://www.kingston.gov.uk/your-council/statements/equalities-impact-assessment-content-error

    There is some satire:

    It’s true, as soon as I started cycling again as an adult I found myself yelling “alright darlin’!” at every young woman I passed. I also started smoking a pipe, falling asleep while reading a newspaper on Sundays and developed an uncontrollable urge to explain things to random strangers.

    iIt is up there with newspapers nearly always publishing photos of "cyclists" in lycra wearing helmets.
    Checking, the Assessment was written by a team of three, comprising two women and one man.

    The quote is from a New Zealand academic paper about the potential benefits of e-bikes for women.

    Insufficient thinking, methinks, by the officers / consultants, and Councillors not being on the ball if they checked it.
    It doesn’t really compare to Reform’s plans to abolish the Equality Act and many Reform politicians’ desire to restrict abortion rights.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,083

    Sandpit said:

    No 10 was braced for Reeves or Miliband to quit. Then Healey jumped ship
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-defence-strategy-john-healey-bsncps22n (£££)

    Healy and Carns resigning, with blistering letters to the PM, was about the worst case scenario for No.10.

    No-one would have mourned Reeves or Miliband walking away.
    On what possible planet would Reeves have resigned? Her only hope of remaining as chancellor is for Starmer to stay on.
    Does Reeves want to remain Chancellor for an extra few weeks or would she fancy three years of first class flights and state banquets as Foreign Secretary to a grateful Wes Streeting Andy Burnham? Or even, since this is Labour, a chance to build something running a spending department – whether you like what Miliband, Phillipson and Streeting have done or not, at least they've done something.
    Too late - she’s too politically damaged and too closely associated with Starmer for Burnham to offer her a job.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,958
    Sandpit said:

    No 10 was braced for Reeves or Miliband to quit. Then Healey jumped ship
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-defence-strategy-john-healey-bsncps22n (£££)

    Healy and Carns resigning, with blistering letters to the PM, was about the worst case scenario for No.10.

    No-one would have mourned Reeves or Miliband walking away.
    Remember what happened to gilts rates when it looked like Reeves might to resign for personal reasons? Someone like Reeves is essential to the operation.

    The markets just about trust her to thread the impossible needle of our fiscal situation, given that there aren't any politically-acceptable tax rises or spending cuts available. (Not at the level.where you specify 'real people like X are going to have their welfare cut by Y and that will save Z').

    And whilst it would be great to have the sort of teacher-politician who can explain some home truths to the nation, everyone who has ever taught has had a class who are in no mood to learn, however good the teaching on offer.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475
    Rupert Lowe: ‘I won’t have woke creeps telling us we’re racist’
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/06/13/rupert-lowe-i-wont-have-woke-creeps-telling-us-were-racist/ (£££)

    Erm, I can't help thinking that ship has sailed.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,091
    .

    It's happened again. See social media for video footage of the incident.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gypqp0rp9o

    Girl, 17, stabbed in the neck in street attack

    The homicide rate in the UK is at its lowest since 1977.
    A great comfort to us all.

    Unless support for populist parties is not founded on careful statistical analysis but on visceral outrage at children being stabbed in the street, amplified by social media. Then it might make a difference.
    So, what can we do about that?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,475

    Sandpit said:

    No 10 was braced for Reeves or Miliband to quit. Then Healey jumped ship
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-defence-strategy-john-healey-bsncps22n (£££)

    Healy and Carns resigning, with blistering letters to the PM, was about the worst case scenario for No.10.

    No-one would have mourned Reeves or Miliband walking away.
    On what possible planet would Reeves have resigned? Her only hope of remaining as chancellor is for Starmer to stay on.
    Does Reeves want to remain Chancellor for an extra few weeks or would she fancy three years of first class flights and state banquets as Foreign Secretary to a grateful Wes Streeting Andy Burnham? Or even, since this is Labour, a chance to build something running a spending department – whether you like what Miliband, Phillipson and Streeting have done or not, at least they've done something.
    Too late - she’s too politically damaged and too closely associated with Starmer for Burnham to offer her a job.
    We'll see. I'm not convinced Burnham will want to exacerbate party splits on day one.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,485
    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One day into the World Cup, FIFA is doing “actually, the stadiums ARE full” posts stating that there are “ticketed fans… standing in concourses rather than staying in their assigned seats”

    https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3mo4o2wcf622m

    Three matches in and the first two big matches...two of the three host nations. Full stadiums is hardly surprising at this stage and tonights was only a 40k capacity.

    Peter.
    yeah, the point is the stadiums are not full. FIFA are claiming the empty seats belong to people who definitely bought the tickets and are definitely at the stadiums, you just can't see them on TV
    I recall the same story from the opening days of London 2012, which they had to act quickly to resolve?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,831

    Sandpit said:

    No 10 was braced for Reeves or Miliband to quit. Then Healey jumped ship
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-defence-strategy-john-healey-bsncps22n (£££)

    Healy and Carns resigning, with blistering letters to the PM, was about the worst case scenario for No.10.

    No-one would have mourned Reeves or Miliband walking away.
    Remember what happened to gilts rates when it looked like Reeves might to resign for personal reasons? Someone like Reeves is essential to the operation.

    The markets just about trust her to thread the impossible needle of our fiscal situation, given that there aren't any politically-acceptable tax rises or spending cuts available. (Not at the level.where you specify 'real people like X are going to have their welfare cut by Y and that will save Z').

    And whilst it would be great to have the sort of teacher-politician who can explain some home truths to the nation, everyone who has ever taught has had a class who are in no mood to learn, however good the teaching on offer.
    Fair point about the market reaction. If she went, the PM would need a solid replacement prepared to tell the Cabinet and backbenchers to all sod off about their pet spending projects.

    The class that doesn’t want to learn is a very good analogy for the PLP.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,958
    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    No 10 was braced for Reeves or Miliband to quit. Then Healey jumped ship
    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-defence-strategy-john-healey-bsncps22n (£££)

    Healy and Carns resigning, with blistering letters to the PM, was about the worst case scenario for No.10.

    No-one would have mourned Reeves or Miliband walking away.
    Remember what happened to gilts rates when it looked like Reeves might to resign for personal reasons? Someone like Reeves is essential to the operation.

    The markets just about trust her to thread the impossible needle of our fiscal situation, given that there aren't any politically-acceptable tax rises or spending cuts available. (Not at the level.where you specify 'real people like X are going to have their welfare cut by Y and that will save Z').

    And whilst it would be great to have the sort of teacher-politician who can explain some home truths to the nation, everyone who has ever taught has had a class who are in no mood to learn, however good the teaching on offer.
    Fair point about the market reaction. If she went, the PM would need a solid replacement prepared to tell the Cabinet and backbenchers to all sod off about their pet spending projects.

    The class that doesn’t want to learn is a very good analogy for the PLP.
    And the PCP, and pretty much everyone else.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,831
    IanB2 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One day into the World Cup, FIFA is doing “actually, the stadiums ARE full” posts stating that there are “ticketed fans… standing in concourses rather than staying in their assigned seats”

    https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3mo4o2wcf622m

    Three matches in and the first two big matches...two of the three host nations. Full stadiums is hardly surprising at this stage and tonights was only a 40k capacity.

    Peter.
    yeah, the point is the stadiums are not full. FIFA are claiming the empty seats belong to people who definitely bought the tickets and are definitely at the stadiums, you just can't see them on TV
    I recall the same story from the opening days of London 2012, which they had to act quickly to resolve?
    Start warming up the school busses!
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,567
    Sandpit said:

    IanB2 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    Scott_xP said:

    One day into the World Cup, FIFA is doing “actually, the stadiums ARE full” posts stating that there are “ticketed fans… standing in concourses rather than staying in their assigned seats”

    https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3mo4o2wcf622m

    Three matches in and the first two big matches...two of the three host nations. Full stadiums is hardly surprising at this stage and tonights was only a 40k capacity.

    Peter.
    yeah, the point is the stadiums are not full. FIFA are claiming the empty seats belong to people who definitely bought the tickets and are definitely at the stadiums, you just can't see them on TV
    I recall the same story from the opening days of London 2012, which they had to act quickly to resolve?
    Start warming up the school busses!
    We don't want school children in stadiums where Donald Trump might be present.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,091
    Holyrood’s new health committee convener has been criticised after a recently surfaced video shows her drawing a comparison between pregnant women seeking abortions and “feral cats”.

    Ms McDade, Reform UK MSP for Mid Scotland and Fife, who was elected convener of the Scottish Parliament’s Health, Care and Sport Committee this week, also described the move to decriminalise abortion in England and Wales as "appalling".


    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/26188787.holyrood-health-convener-compares-pregnant-women-feral-cats/
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