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Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com

***13 per cent*** of Makerfield voters still undecided: still a lot to squeezeFavourability scores:– Burnham +7– Kenyon -16– Farage -19– Starmer -48Full story:https://t.co/VGiJpBa4Ab

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  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,493
    1st? Unlike Burnham. LOL.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,147
    First second.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,076

    1st? Unlike Burnham. LOL.

    Can't say I get the joke.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,997

    1st? Unlike Burnham. LOL.

    Can't say I get the joke.
    Burnham orchestrating a by-election to further his own career and then losing would be objectively funny.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,439
    No

    Two shit anthems
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,723
    Updated the header with this.

    Although Burnham's ratings should see him over the line, The Times report

    The poll also suggests that Burnham’s strong personal brand is likely to be decisive. The data shows he is considerably more popular in Makerfield than Sir Keir Starmer, Farage and Kenyon — none of whom had positive approval ratings.

    Burnham, whose lead is within the poll’s margin of error, emerges with a net favourability score of 7 per cent, with 44 per cent of voters having a favourable view and 36 per cent viewing him unfavourably.

    Only 13 per cent of Makerfield residents, by contrast, had a favourable view of the prime minister.

    Farage was viewed favourably by 31 per cent, while Kenyon, the plumber and local councillor standing for Reform, is viewed favourably by 25 per cent.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,955
    Destroying things so that he can be King of the World/North/Rubble?

    Hashtag Better Barnetted Boris
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,076

    1st? Unlike Burnham. LOL.

    Can't say I get the joke.
    Burnham orchestrating a by-election to further his own career and then losing would be objectively funny.
    Anything that boosts Reform is seriously unfunny imo.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,485
    So many people seem to think it really matters that Restore are reducing Reform's vote resulting in Mr Burnham winning. I don't see that it matters which of them win. I don't expect Mr Burnham will be able to do anything much differently to SKS even though he may do it with more crowd appeal. And if Mr Burnham loses the by-election, I don't expect any of the other PM-candidates will be able to do anything much differently. So unless you stand to win or lose money (an important factor on PB) it doesn't make much difference who wins.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,723
    It took More In Common 16 days to poll 515 Makerfield residents.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,955

    It took More In Common 16 days to poll 515 Makerfield residents.

    To be fair, it must be hard for pollsters to get a word in edgeways between all these canvassing visits.

    Incidentally, permission to be at least a bit uncomfortable with this;

    Labour door-knockers are nervous too, however. They are being warned by organisers that Restore Britain activists – who are easily identifiable on the ground, as they wear dark blue polo shirts and baseball hats featuring their party’s name – are equipped with smart glasses that record interactions.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/andy-burnham-makerfield-campaign-aftermath-prep-government

    (The whole article is good, but not in a cheering way.)
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,023
    edited June 12
    England women get 221 in their first T20 WC match. Highest score ever in the WC in the women's game. Outstanding batting.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 19,698
    Not doing a Handy Man Rub (anag.) over these numbers.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,730

    1st? Unlike Burnham. LOL.

    Can't say I get the joke.
    Burnham orchestrating a by-election to further his own career and then losing would be objectively funny.
    Why would a right wing nutter with vile views about women, being elected, be funny?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,015
    edited June 12
    The big winners of Burnham winning but only as Restore take enough Reform votes to cost them the seat will be arguably not him but Starmer and Kemi. Starmer would be relieved Labour have beaten Reform in a by election but can say Burnham has not given Labour much of a bounce if the Reform and Restore combined vote is bigger than the Burnham vote so you may as well stick with him for now.

    Kemi as if Restore start taking Reform votes that forces Farage to the deport all immigrants, hard right. That might enable her to win back some 2024 Tories currently flirting with Reform but who are not white nationalists
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,015
    AnneJGP said:

    So many people seem to think it really matters that Restore are reducing Reform's vote resulting in Mr Burnham winning. I don't see that it matters which of them win. I don't expect Mr Burnham will be able to do anything much differently to SKS even though he may do it with more crowd appeal. And if Mr Burnham loses the by-election, I don't expect any of the other PM-candidates will be able to do anything much differently. So unless you stand to win or lose money (an important factor on PB) it doesn't make much difference who wins.

    Burnham has made clear he wants to shift to the tax and spend left
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,878
    edited June 12

    1st? Unlike Burnham. LOL.

    Can't say I get the joke.
    Burnham orchestrating a by-election to further his own career and then losing would be objectively funny.
    Can't argue. There'd be comedy there. But for anyone with a grasp of politics and who shudders at the thought of PM Nigel Farage the brief chuckle will be abruptly swallowed and will give way to distress and trepidation because make no mistake Reform winning this will be a big step towards that.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 59,023
    edited June 12
    DavidL said:

    England women get 221 in their first T20 WC match. Highest score ever in the WC in the women's game. Outstanding batting.



    Correction 219 but still a phenomenal total.

  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,730
    HYUFD said:

    The big winners of Burnham winning but only as Restore take enough Reform votes to cost them the seat will be arguably not him but Starmer and Kemi. Starmer will be relieved Labour have beaten Reform in a by election but can say Burnham has not given Labour much of a bounce if the Reform and Restore combined vote is bigger than the Burnham vote so you may as well stick with him for now.

    Kemi as if Restore start taking Reform votes that forces Farage to the deport all immigrants, hard right. That might enable her to win back some 2024 Tories currently flirting with Reform but who are not white nationalists

    Which bit of only Burnhams personal brand got Lab over the line are you failing to understand

    IE SKS LAB is so unpopular Reform would have beaten any other Lab candidate.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,972
    Has Jürgen Klinsman been training the Bosnians in post tackle theatrics.

    One nil!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,551
    LIVE: See Donald Trump’s name come off the Kennedy Center as it happens

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAhm880quUg
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,015

    HYUFD said:

    The big winners of Burnham winning but only as Restore take enough Reform votes to cost them the seat will be arguably not him but Starmer and Kemi. Starmer will be relieved Labour have beaten Reform in a by election but can say Burnham has not given Labour much of a bounce if the Reform and Restore combined vote is bigger than the Burnham vote so you may as well stick with him for now.

    Kemi as if Restore start taking Reform votes that forces Farage to the deport all immigrants, hard right. That might enable her to win back some 2024 Tories currently flirting with Reform but who are not white nationalists

    Which bit of only Burnhams personal brand got Lab over the line are you failing to understand

    IE SKS LAB is so unpopular Reform would have beaten any other Lab candidate.
    Yes but SKS will say he is still Labour leader not Burnham and Burnham forced this unnecessary by election to win with a massive majority to show how popular he is but which he failed to achieve
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,909

    1st? Unlike Burnham. LOL.

    Can't say I get the joke.
    Burnham orchestrating a by-election to further his own career and then losing would be objectively funny.
    Anything that boosts Reform is seriously unfunny imo.
    Unnecessary by-election?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,972
    edited June 12
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The big winners of Burnham winning but only as Restore take enough Reform votes to cost them the seat will be arguably not him but Starmer and Kemi. Starmer will be relieved Labour have beaten Reform in a by election but can say Burnham has not given Labour much of a bounce if the Reform and Restore combined vote is bigger than the Burnham vote so you may as well stick with him for now.

    Kemi as if Restore start taking Reform votes that forces Farage to the deport all immigrants, hard right. That might enable her to win back some 2024 Tories currently flirting with Reform but who are not white nationalists

    Which bit of only Burnhams personal brand got Lab over the line are you failing to understand

    IE SKS LAB is so unpopular Reform would have beaten any other Lab candidate.
    Yes but SKS will say he is still Labour leader not Burnham and Burnham forced this unnecessary by election to win with a massive majority to show how popular he is but which he failed to achieve
    S
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The big winners of Burnham winning but only as Restore take enough Reform votes to cost them the seat will be arguably not him but Starmer and Kemi. Starmer will be relieved Labour have beaten Reform in a by election but can say Burnham has not given Labour much of a bounce if the Reform and Restore combined vote is bigger than the Burnham vote so you may as well stick with him for now.

    Kemi as if Restore start taking Reform votes that forces Farage to the deport all immigrants, hard right. That might enable her to win back some 2024 Tories currently flirting with Reform but who are not white nationalists

    Which bit of only Burnhams personal brand got Lab over the line are you failing to understand

    IE SKS LAB is so unpopular Reform would have beaten any other Lab candidate.
    Yes but SKS will say he is still Labour leader not Burnham and Burnham forced this unnecessary by election to win with a massive majority to show how popular he is but which he failed to achieve
    Starmer is already toast. Even if Rob the Plumber becomes MP Starmer is done for. Just cross your fingers it isn't Miliband.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,909

    Has Jürgen Klinsman been training the Bosnians in post tackle theatrics.

    One nil!

    Against the run of play I thought.

    But, still, they knocked out Wales AND Italy in the play-offs.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,354
    The split is 50-49 (right-left) unless rounding throws that out, but very tight anyway.

    It begins to look as though Restore will save their deposit, which is a good showing for a party third by some distance to resist a by-election squeeze. I think we might have to take seriously the prospect of six-party politics in England.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,015
    edited June 12

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The big winners of Burnham winning but only as Restore take enough Reform votes to cost them the seat will be arguably not him but Starmer and Kemi. Starmer will be relieved Labour have beaten Reform in a by election but can say Burnham has not given Labour much of a bounce if the Reform and Restore combined vote is bigger than the Burnham vote so you may as well stick with him for now.

    Kemi as if Restore start taking Reform votes that forces Farage to the deport all immigrants, hard right. That might enable her to win back some 2024 Tories currently flirting with Reform but who are not white nationalists

    Which bit of only Burnhams personal brand got Lab over the line are you failing to understand

    IE SKS LAB is so unpopular Reform would have beaten any other Lab candidate.
    Yes but SKS will say he is still Labour leader not Burnham and Burnham forced this unnecessary by election to win with a massive majority to show how popular he is but which he failed to achieve
    S
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The big winners of Burnham winning but only as Restore take enough Reform votes to cost them the seat will be arguably not him but Starmer and Kemi. Starmer will be relieved Labour have beaten Reform in a by election but can say Burnham has not given Labour much of a bounce if the Reform and Restore combined vote is bigger than the Burnham vote so you may as well stick with him for now.

    Kemi as if Restore start taking Reform votes that forces Farage to the deport all immigrants, hard right. That might enable her to win back some 2024 Tories currently flirting with Reform but who are not white nationalists

    Which bit of only Burnhams personal brand got Lab over the line are you failing to understand

    IE SKS LAB is so unpopular Reform would have beaten any other Lab candidate.
    Yes but SKS will say he is still Labour leader not Burnham and Burnham forced this unnecessary by election to win with a massive majority to show how popular he is but which he failed to achieve
    Starmer is already toast. Even if Rob the Plumber becomes MP Starmer is done for. Just cross your fingers it isn't Miliband.
    Starmer beats Streeting and Ed Miliband on the latest Labour members polls. Even against Burnham he was narrowing the gap and if Burnham fails to win Makerfield comfortably that may boost Starmer further
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,967

    1st? Unlike Burnham. LOL.

    Can't say I get the joke.
    Burnham orchestrating a by-election to further his own career and then losing would be objectively funny.
    Why would a right wing nutter with vile views about women, being elected, be funny?
    Regardless of one's views on the winner, a man with an ego the size of Burnham's engineering a byelection as a stepping stone on his road to become prime minister, and losing instead is objectively funny.
    It might be the worst possible outcome (I personally don't think it is), but that doesn't actually detract from the hilarity.
    I'd be laughing like a drain if Burnham lost to the Green too.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,076

    1st? Unlike Burnham. LOL.

    Can't say I get the joke.
    Burnham orchestrating a by-election to further his own career and then losing would be objectively funny.
    Anything that boosts Reform is seriously unfunny imo.
    Unnecessary by-election?
    Yes if Burnham loses, the by-election will be seen as an unnecessary own goal but I'm in the 'nothing ventured, nothing gained' camp.

    Labour are doomed if they carry on with Starmer imo and that will lead to PM Farage. Burham's attempt to oust Starmer is a roll of the dice - nothing ventured, nothing gained.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,076
    theProle said:

    1st? Unlike Burnham. LOL.

    Can't say I get the joke.
    Burnham orchestrating a by-election to further his own career and then losing would be objectively funny.
    Why would a right wing nutter with vile views about women, being elected, be funny?
    Regardless of one's views on the winner, a man with an ego the size of Burnham's engineering a byelection as a stepping stone on his road to become prime minister, and losing instead is objectively funny.
    It might be the worst possible outcome (I personally don't think it is), but that doesn't actually detract from the hilarity.
    I'd be laughing like a drain if Burnham lost to the Green too.
    What do you think would be the worst possible outcome?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,015
    edited June 12
    theProle said:

    1st? Unlike Burnham. LOL.

    Can't say I get the joke.
    Burnham orchestrating a by-election to further his own career and then losing would be objectively funny.
    Why would a right wing nutter with vile views about women, being elected, be funny?
    Regardless of one's views on the winner, a man with an ego the size of Burnham's engineering a byelection as a stepping stone on his road to become prime minister, and losing instead is objectively funny.
    It might be the worst possible outcome (I personally don't think it is), but that doesn't actually detract from the hilarity.
    I'd be laughing like a drain if Burnham lost to the Green too.
    As the poll shows there is zero chance of Burnham losing to the Green. The Green vote has collapsed to just 3% in Burnham’s favour. The biggest loser of a Burnham premiership would likely be Polanski and the Greens
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,015
    edited June 12

    The split is 50-49 (right-left) unless rounding throws that out, but very tight anyway.

    It begins to look as though Restore will save their deposit, which is a good showing for a party third by some distance to resist a by-election squeeze. I think we might have to take seriously the prospect of six-party politics in England.

    It is very possible too the now three way split on the right could see the combined right vote of Reform, Conservatives and Restore win most votes but not a majority of Commons seats
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,354
    Russian airports are now publishing NOTAMs with refueling restrictions - just one indication of how the fuel crisis created by Ukrainian drones attacks on Russian oil infrastructure is deepening.

    There also seem to an increasing number of social media videos (mostly from Russian women it seems) about leaving Crimea due to the fuel crisis there, with one apparently suggesting that Russian equipment is being moved from Crimea to Moscow (maybe air defence equipment?)
  • Burnham’s approval ratings are strong.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,439

    Burnham’s approval ratings are strong.

    Not with WASPI women
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 26,298
    From @williamglenn -

    "There's an emerging consensus that equality laws are illiberal and counter-productive. It doesn't make any sense for the Tories to swim against the tide just because the Cameron government was responsible for a lot of it."

    What a load of utter nonsense.

    The Equality Act is a consolidating statute consolidating anti-discrimination provisions dating back to the 1960's and 1970's. It was also passed by a Labour government not Cameron.

    There is certainly a campaign by various different groups of idiots to remove certain sex-based rights and anti-discrimination measures, which will also impact gay people and religious people, and to put such groups back in the position they were in in the 1960's and 1970's. That would certainly be extremely illiberal and it is a great pity that the Tories are falling for this nonsense, just as some of the dimmer Labour MPs, much of the Lib Dems and the Greens have done.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,967

    theProle said:

    1st? Unlike Burnham. LOL.

    Can't say I get the joke.
    Burnham orchestrating a by-election to further his own career and then losing would be objectively funny.
    Why would a right wing nutter with vile views about women, being elected, be funny?
    Regardless of one's views on the winner, a man with an ego the size of Burnham's engineering a byelection as a stepping stone on his road to become prime minister, and losing instead is objectively funny.
    It might be the worst possible outcome (I personally don't think it is), but that doesn't actually detract from the hilarity.
    I'd be laughing like a drain if Burnham lost to the Green too.
    What do you think would be the worst possible outcome?
    Realistic, or theoretical?

    Realistic - Burnham winning. He'll be a terrible Prime Minister, he's like a cartoon version of Starmer with a northern accent.

    Theoretical - Probably one of the various weirdos, possibly Restore; they are actual racists, unlike Reform, and if they gain prominence and start splitting the Reform vote, it will be a disaster for the country at the next election.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,489
    edited June 12

    Russian airports are now publishing NOTAMs with refueling restrictions - just one indication of how the fuel crisis created by Ukrainian drones attacks on Russian oil infrastructure is deepening.

    There also seem to an increasing number of social media videos (mostly from Russian women it seems) about leaving Crimea due to the fuel crisis there, with one apparently suggesting that Russian equipment is being moved from Crimea to Moscow (maybe air defence equipment?)

    There are now 28 air defence systems around Putin's palace/bunker complex. More than double the number of just a couple of days ago...

    Worried any?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,489
    Scott_xP said:

    LIVE: See Donald Trump’s name come off the Kennedy Center as it happens

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAhm880quUg

    It is, ironically, great performing arts that Trump has instigated...
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,951
    Channelling Andra Neil, seems deeply unfair that the 2 countries of Bosnia and Herzegovina can field a single team.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,909

    Channelling Andra Neil, seems deeply unfair that the 2 countries of Bosnia and Herzegovina can field a single team.

    Should the USA field a single team?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,909
    theProle said:

    theProle said:

    1st? Unlike Burnham. LOL.

    Can't say I get the joke.
    Burnham orchestrating a by-election to further his own career and then losing would be objectively funny.
    Why would a right wing nutter with vile views about women, being elected, be funny?
    Regardless of one's views on the winner, a man with an ego the size of Burnham's engineering a byelection as a stepping stone on his road to become prime minister, and losing instead is objectively funny.
    It might be the worst possible outcome (I personally don't think it is), but that doesn't actually detract from the hilarity.
    I'd be laughing like a drain if Burnham lost to the Green too.
    What do you think would be the worst possible outcome?
    Realistic, or theoretical?

    Realistic - Burnham winning. He'll be a terrible Prime Minister, he's like a cartoon version of Starmer with a northern accent.

    Theoretical - Probably one of the various weirdos, possibly Restore; they are actual racists, unlike Reform, and if they gain prominence and start splitting the Reform vote, it will be a disaster for the country at the next election.
    The Racism UK Party.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,489
    edited June 12
    New Fox poll shows the Democrats winning the Senate race with an 8% lead - in Ohio.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elCrHdCVMlQ
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,069
    I've been watching a bit of old Zappa and Beefheart the past few evenings. And now youtube has thrown this old Zappa interview in front of me :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs6G2T46n3U

    I only have a faint memory of him 'being political' - but he's remarkably eloquent.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,234
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The big winners of Burnham winning but only as Restore take enough Reform votes to cost them the seat will be arguably not him but Starmer and Kemi. Starmer will be relieved Labour have beaten Reform in a by election but can say Burnham has not given Labour much of a bounce if the Reform and Restore combined vote is bigger than the Burnham vote so you may as well stick with him for now.

    Kemi as if Restore start taking Reform votes that forces Farage to the deport all immigrants, hard right. That might enable her to win back some 2024 Tories currently flirting with Reform but who are not white nationalists

    Which bit of only Burnhams personal brand got Lab over the line are you failing to understand

    IE SKS LAB is so unpopular Reform would have beaten any other Lab candidate.
    Yes but SKS will say he is still Labour leader not Burnham and Burnham forced this unnecessary by election to win with a massive majority to show how popular he is but which he failed to achieve
    S
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The big winners of Burnham winning but only as Restore take enough Reform votes to cost them the seat will be arguably not him but Starmer and Kemi. Starmer will be relieved Labour have beaten Reform in a by election but can say Burnham has not given Labour much of a bounce if the Reform and Restore combined vote is bigger than the Burnham vote so you may as well stick with him for now.

    Kemi as if Restore start taking Reform votes that forces Farage to the deport all immigrants, hard right. That might enable her to win back some 2024 Tories currently flirting with Reform but who are not white nationalists

    Which bit of only Burnhams personal brand got Lab over the line are you failing to understand

    IE SKS LAB is so unpopular Reform would have beaten any other Lab candidate.
    Yes but SKS will say he is still Labour leader not Burnham and Burnham forced this unnecessary by election to win with a massive majority to show how popular he is but which he failed to achieve
    Starmer is already toast. Even if Rob the Plumber becomes MP Starmer is done for. Just cross your fingers it isn't Miliband.
    Starmer beats Streeting and Ed Miliband on the latest Labour members polls. Even against Burnham he was narrowing the gap and if Burnham fails to win Makerfield comfortably that may boost Starmer further
    Starmer is done for and needs to go. That was the overwhelming view from last night's CLP meeting, which coincided with the day of Healey's resignation. People want this over with now. A month ago opinion was much less decisive.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,997
    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2065526830753304678

    Andy Burnham says that if he wins the Makerfield by-election it will be a 'cry for change both here and across the country' in a clear signal of his intent to run for No 10
     
    He described winning Makerfield as 'stage one' of his campaign to change the Labour Party so it can take on Reform and win
     
     “As we have gone through and people have become clearer about what I am doing, it feels like the cry for a different politics is getting stronger. This campaign, if it goes the way I hope, is going to deliver a cry for that change, both here and across the country.”
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,721
    Evening all :)

    My view on the Times poll is if you are taking 14 days to do fieldwork, that's an eternity in a by-election.

    The fact the numbers are closer to earlier polling than some of the more recent numbers makes me wonder...
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,551
    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi: “According to the memorandum of understanding, if it is signed, Iran's frozen assets will be released.

    “None of our assets will be allowed to remain frozen again. A reconstruction plan has been envisaged to compensate Iran for the damage it has suffered.”

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    Araghchi: “As soon as the final stages of the negotiations are completed, the agreement will be signed and announced. The initial signing will take place remotely in digital form.

    “This could happen within the next few days.”
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,730
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The big winners of Burnham winning but only as Restore take enough Reform votes to cost them the seat will be arguably not him but Starmer and Kemi. Starmer will be relieved Labour have beaten Reform in a by election but can say Burnham has not given Labour much of a bounce if the Reform and Restore combined vote is bigger than the Burnham vote so you may as well stick with him for now.

    Kemi as if Restore start taking Reform votes that forces Farage to the deport all immigrants, hard right. That might enable her to win back some 2024 Tories currently flirting with Reform but who are not white nationalists

    Which bit of only Burnhams personal brand got Lab over the line are you failing to understand

    IE SKS LAB is so unpopular Reform would have beaten any other Lab candidate.
    Yes but SKS will say he is still Labour leader not Burnham and Burnham forced this unnecessary by election to win with a massive majority to show how popular he is but which he failed to achieve
    You are just inventing stuff now

    He never claimed he would win a massive majority.

    He gambled his career on a seat no other LAB politician could win at all

    Stick to commenting about stuff you have a clue about
  • Reform’s pitch really makes no sense.

    These people want Keir Starmer out. So they will vote Labour.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,493
    Just funnier by the hour.


    caroline wheeler
    @cazjwheeler

    New: Morgan McSweeney is back advising the Prime Minister – four months after he resigned over his role in the Mandelson scandal.
    The former No 10 chief of staff is advising Sir Keir Starmer in his moment of greatest peril, multiple government and Whitehall sources told The i Paper.

    https://x.com/cazjwheeler/status/2065481609240019430
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,525
    Either Reform gets a boost from winning the by-election, or they get a boost from winning the GM mayoral by-election.

    Whichever it is, Burnham will be responsible.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,730

    New Fox poll shows the Democrats winning the Senate race with an 8% lead - in Ohio.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elCrHdCVMlQ

    Its the economy stupid
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,015
    edited June 12

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The big winners of Burnham winning but only as Restore take enough Reform votes to cost them the seat will be arguably not him but Starmer and Kemi. Starmer will be relieved Labour have beaten Reform in a by election but can say Burnham has not given Labour much of a bounce if the Reform and Restore combined vote is bigger than the Burnham vote so you may as well stick with him for now.

    Kemi as if Restore start taking Reform votes that forces Farage to the deport all immigrants, hard right. That might enable her to win back some 2024 Tories currently flirting with Reform but who are not white nationalists

    Which bit of only Burnhams personal brand got Lab over the line are you failing to understand

    IE SKS LAB is so unpopular Reform would have beaten any other Lab candidate.
    Yes but SKS will say he is still Labour leader not Burnham and Burnham forced this unnecessary by election to win with a massive majority to show how popular he is but which he failed to achieve
    You are just inventing stuff now

    He never claimed he would win a massive majority.

    He gambled his career on a seat no other LAB politician could win at all

    Stick to commenting about stuff you have a clue about
    Nonetheless I am sure he would have hoped to win a constituency Labour won even led by Corbyn and Ed Miliband, Kinnock and Michael Foot with more than half the vote. Rather than scraping home due to Restore taking Reform votes
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,898
    Congratulations to RFK, Jr. for helping this endangered species re-establish itself in the United States. For example:
    Utah’s worsening measles outbreak, which has already sickened more than 670 people, including babies too young to get vaccinated, is a stark reminder of what happens when immunization rates fall. Doctors who want to confront the crisis before it gets worse can take a lesson from Gilbert “Gil” Walker, a 98-year-old retired physician who knows a thing or two about convincing parents to vaccinate their children.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/06/11/vaccine-hesitancy-can-be-overcome-this-98-year-old-doctor-argues/
    (Links omitted.)

    (FWIW, I have seen a report that the Loser's administration has been slowly removing some who share RFK, Jr.'s views, recognizing the political costs from sick, and even dying, children.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,997
    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2065526452783583673

    Exclusive:
     
    Britain must not be “squeamish” about reducing the welfare bill to fund additional spending on defence, Andy Burnham has said.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,042

    Just funnier by the hour.


    caroline wheeler
    @cazjwheeler

    New: Morgan McSweeney is back advising the Prime Minister – four months after he resigned over his role in the Mandelson scandal.
    The former No 10 chief of staff is advising Sir Keir Starmer in his moment of greatest peril, multiple government and Whitehall sources told The i Paper.

    https://x.com/cazjwheeler/status/2065481609240019430

    What the country really needs now is an experienced worldly wise minister who is an expert at communications. Tomorrows Defence Secretary....Lord Mandelson?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,525

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2065526830753304678

    Andy Burnham says that if he wins the Makerfield by-election it will be a 'cry for change both here and across the country' in a clear signal of his intent to run for No 10
     
    He described winning Makerfield as 'stage one' of his campaign to change the Labour Party so it can take on Reform and win
     
     “As we have gone through and people have become clearer about what I am doing, it feels like the cry for a different politics is getting stronger. This campaign, if it goes the way I hope, is going to deliver a cry for that change, both here and across the country.”

    Replacing the outgoing Labour MP with a Labour MP is not my definition of a cry for change.

    Electing Reform on the other hand...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,493
    edited June 12
    [deleted]
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,015

    New Fox poll shows the Democrats winning the Senate race with an 8% lead - in Ohio.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elCrHdCVMlQ

    Ohio was a key swing state until recently so Democrats will be pleased they are winning it back
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,972
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The big winners of Burnham winning but only as Restore take enough Reform votes to cost them the seat will be arguably not him but Starmer and Kemi. Starmer will be relieved Labour have beaten Reform in a by election but can say Burnham has not given Labour much of a bounce if the Reform and Restore combined vote is bigger than the Burnham vote so you may as well stick with him for now.

    Kemi as if Restore start taking Reform votes that forces Farage to the deport all immigrants, hard right. That might enable her to win back some 2024 Tories currently flirting with Reform but who are not white nationalists

    Which bit of only Burnhams personal brand got Lab over the line are you failing to understand

    IE SKS LAB is so unpopular Reform would have beaten any other Lab candidate.
    Yes but SKS will say he is still Labour leader not Burnham and Burnham forced this unnecessary by election to win with a massive majority to show how popular he is but which he failed to achieve
    S
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    The big winners of Burnham winning but only as Restore take enough Reform votes to cost them the seat will be arguably not him but Starmer and Kemi. Starmer will be relieved Labour have beaten Reform in a by election but can say Burnham has not given Labour much of a bounce if the Reform and Restore combined vote is bigger than the Burnham vote so you may as well stick with him for now.

    Kemi as if Restore start taking Reform votes that forces Farage to the deport all immigrants, hard right. That might enable her to win back some 2024 Tories currently flirting with Reform but who are not white nationalists

    Which bit of only Burnhams personal brand got Lab over the line are you failing to understand

    IE SKS LAB is so unpopular Reform would have beaten any other Lab candidate.
    Yes but SKS will say he is still Labour leader not Burnham and Burnham forced this unnecessary by election to win with a massive majority to show how popular he is but which he failed to achieve
    Starmer is already toast. Even if Rob the Plumber becomes MP Starmer is done for. Just cross your fingers it isn't Miliband.
    Starmer beats Streeting and Ed Miliband on the latest Labour members polls. Even against Burnham he was narrowing the gap and if Burnham fails to win Makerfield comfortably that may boost Starmer further
    Not after this week. He seems to be permanently hoodwinked by Reeves.

    I have been prepared to give Starmer the chance but the Robbins sacking was a step too far.

    He just has to go.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,042

    [deleted]

    He is just going to parrot whatever the media story of the day is, will be a disaster if he continues this.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,909
    Canada equalise!!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,972
    Thank f*** for that!
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,955

    New Fox poll shows the Democrats winning the Senate race with an 8% lead - in Ohio.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elCrHdCVMlQ

    For Republican operatives, not so much Ohio as Oh-hi-no.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,951
    A match made in heaven, or whichever circle of hell is reserved for the likes of Bari and Trev,

    Thrilled to welcome @TrevorPTweets to @CBSNews.

    https://x.com/bariweiss/status/2065440278987583832?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • theakestheakes Posts: 989
    This poll is misleading, it has been taken over 15 days..
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,955

    [deleted]

    He is just going to parrot whatever the media story of the day is, will be a disaster if he continues this.
    Any reason to think that the star of the "what will you be having, Andy?" joke is going to change the habit of a lifetime?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,525

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2065526452783583673

    Exclusive:
     
    Britain must not be “squeamish” about reducing the welfare bill to fund additional spending on defence, Andy Burnham has said.

    Has Kemi hacked his account?
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,069

    Congratulations to RFK, Jr. for helping this endangered species re-establish itself in the United States. For example:

    Utah’s worsening measles outbreak, which has already sickened more than 670 people, including babies too young to get vaccinated, is a stark reminder of what happens when immunization rates fall. Doctors who want to confront the crisis before it gets worse can take a lesson from Gilbert “Gil” Walker, a 98-year-old retired physician who knows a thing or two about convincing parents to vaccinate their children.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/06/11/vaccine-hesitancy-can-be-overcome-this-98-year-old-doctor-argues/
    (Links omitted.)

    (FWIW, I have seen a report that the Loser's administration has been slowly removing some who share RFK, Jr.'s views, recognizing the political costs from sick, and even dying, children.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Measles

    Who-ever they hired at great expense to tell them that maybe dead children weren't a vote-winner - is earning every million.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,076

    Scott_xP said:

    LIVE: See Donald Trump’s name come off the Kennedy Center as it happens

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAhm880quUg

    It is, ironically, great performing arts that Trump has instigated...
    Watching the speed of this operation I can confirm the US is utterly doomed.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,489
    Anyone know when postal votes went out?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,551

    Scott_xP said:

    LIVE: See Donald Trump’s name come off the Kennedy Center as it happens

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAhm880quUg

    It is, ironically, great performing arts that Trump has instigated...
    Watching the speed of this operation I can confirm the US is utterly doomed.
    @lizdye.bsky.social‬

    The Kennedy Center board has filed an emergency motion to stay at the DC Circuit and it is bonkity-bonkers.

    For the first time, they say they amended the bylaws to strip all funding from the center if it removes Trump's name.

    No Trump KC, no money.

    https://bsky.app/profile/lizdye.bsky.social/post/3mo4ky6pbgk26
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,666
    On those figures, Burnham will make it.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,489

    Scott_xP said:

    LIVE: See Donald Trump’s name come off the Kennedy Center as it happens

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAhm880quUg

    It is, ironically, great performing arts that Trump has instigated...
    Watching the speed of this operation I can confirm the US is utterly doomed.
    America doesn't seem to possess a cherry picker that can go up 40...

    Fuck it, the Man With A Stick could have knocked them off. To much hilarity.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,666

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2065526452783583673

    Exclusive:
     
    Britain must not be “squeamish” about reducing the welfare bill to fund additional spending on defence, Andy Burnham has said.

    Let's see if he can get the votes for that after running to the Left of Starmer.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,015
    edited June 12

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2065526452783583673

    Exclusive:
     
    Britain must not be “squeamish” about reducing the welfare bill to fund additional spending on defence, Andy Burnham has said.

    Has Kemi hacked his account?
    If you read the full quote he says he opposes ‘crude welfare cuts’ and instead backs giving the unemployed the skills and training they need to get back to work with apprenticeships and work placements . Though a lot would need to get back to work to make the required savings to invest in defence
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,042
    HYUFD said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2065526452783583673

    Exclusive:
     
    Britain must not be “squeamish” about reducing the welfare bill to fund additional spending on defence, Andy Burnham has said.

    Has Kemi hacked his account?
    If you read the full quote he says he opposes ‘crude welfare cuts’ and instead backs giving the unemployed the skills and training they need to get back to work with apprenticeships and work placements . Though a lot would need to get back to work to make the required savings to invest in defence
    Tie it all together and get them building new council houses whilst gaining skills.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,551

    Scott_xP said:

    LIVE: See Donald Trump’s name come off the Kennedy Center as it happens

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAhm880quUg

    It is, ironically, great performing arts that Trump has instigated...
    Watching the speed of this operation I can confirm the US is utterly doomed.
    America doesn't seem to possess a cherry picker that can go up 40...

    Fuck it, the Man With A Stick could have knocked them off. To much hilarity.
    They used a cherry picker to install them
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,295
    At the moment, though I would like Reform to win, and there are multiple plausible scenarios where they do win, I think Burnham will get it.

    People are saying that they like Burnham and that they're not impressed with Reform/the plumber, so whilst there may be some shy Reformers, the simplest prediction seems to be that they will vote accordingly.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,295
    HYUFD said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2065526452783583673

    Exclusive:
     
    Britain must not be “squeamish” about reducing the welfare bill to fund additional spending on defence, Andy Burnham has said.

    Has Kemi hacked his account?
    If you read the full quote he says he opposes ‘crude welfare cuts’ and instead backs giving the unemployed the skills and training they need to get back to work with apprenticeships and work placements . Though a lot would need to get back to work to make the required savings to invest in defence
    As we are endlessly reminded, many welfare recipients are in work. The anxiety PIPers aren't in his crosshairs.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,871

    Just funnier by the hour.


    caroline wheeler
    @cazjwheeler

    New: Morgan McSweeney is back advising the Prime Minister – four months after he resigned over his role in the Mandelson scandal.
    The former No 10 chief of staff is advising Sir Keir Starmer in his moment of greatest peril, multiple government and Whitehall sources told The i Paper.

    https://x.com/cazjwheeler/status/2065481609240019430

    Starmer's programming licence ("Liar v1.0") ran out after 120 days and he needed somebody with the renewal password.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,871
    edited June 12

    A match made in heaven, or whichever circle of hell is reserved for the likes of Bari and Trev,

    Thrilled to welcome @TrevorPTweets to @CBSNews.

    https://x.com/bariweiss/status/2065440278987583832?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    "...As @TrevorPTweets scuttles off to take his place at the right hand of disgraced propagandist @bariweiss at CBS, let's recall his enduring contribution to anti-racist discourse in the UK..."

    6:40 PM · Jun 12, 2026 from Richard Sanders at https://x.com/PulaRJS/status/2065504438391849094 , retweeting DoubleDownNews at https://x.com/DoubleDownNews/status/2053417454697635997
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,484
    Go Paraguay!!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,290
    I know Scotland has ‘a generation’ as a short length of time between referenda (about 7-9 years). Is there a unit for the length of time an aide needs to have between sacking and coming back from the cold?
  • IanB2 said:

    Go Paraguay!!

    Hehehe gay
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,942

    Just funnier by the hour.


    caroline wheeler
    @cazjwheeler

    New: Morgan McSweeney is back advising the Prime Minister – four months after he resigned over his role in the Mandelson scandal.
    The former No 10 chief of staff is advising Sir Keir Starmer in his moment of greatest peril, multiple government and Whitehall sources told The i Paper.

    https://x.com/cazjwheeler/status/2065481609240019430

    What could possibly go wrong?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,551
    One day into the World Cup, FIFA is doing “actually, the stadiums ARE full” posts stating that there are “ticketed fans… standing in concourses rather than staying in their assigned seats”

    https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3mo4o2wcf622m
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,598
    There are about 100 matches they've g9t to get through in this world cup. How can it be 4 hours until the next one?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,493
    Foxy said:

    Just funnier by the hour.


    caroline wheeler
    @cazjwheeler

    New: Morgan McSweeney is back advising the Prime Minister – four months after he resigned over his role in the Mandelson scandal.
    The former No 10 chief of staff is advising Sir Keir Starmer in his moment of greatest peril, multiple government and Whitehall sources told The i Paper.

    https://x.com/cazjwheeler/status/2065481609240019430

    What could possibly go wrong?
    Unless the advice is to start packing up the No 10 flat then it is all a waste of hot air and time.

  • maxhmaxh Posts: 2,036
    edited June 12
    To offer a moment of hope in our ever-more-rapid descent into pre-tolerance Britain, I was intrigued to find on my teaching desk this week a print-out of this guardian blog: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/nov/02/teenage-radicalised-manosphere-young-men-masculinity. Turns out my school has decided it is worth engaging with the realities of masculinity in 2026, rather than the clichés that so many young men find alienating. This was apparently required reading in tutor time. My heart was (slightly) warmed.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,871
    edited June 12
    Cyclefree said:

    From @williamglenn -

    "There's an emerging consensus that equality laws are illiberal and counter-productive. It doesn't make any sense for the Tories to swim against the tide just because the Cameron government was responsible for a lot of it."

    What a load of utter nonsense.

    The Equality Act is a consolidating statute consolidating anti-discrimination provisions dating back to the 1960's and 1970's. It was also passed by a Labour government not Cameron.

    There is certainly a campaign by various different groups of idiots to remove certain sex-based rights and anti-discrimination measures, which will also impact gay people and religious people, and to put such groups back in the position they were in in the 1960's and 1970's. That would certainly be extremely illiberal and it is a great pity that the Tories are falling for this nonsense, just as some of the dimmer Labour MPs, much of the Lib Dems and the Greens have done.

    Unlike US feminism, from memory British feminism started becoming discontented with equality around 2010, noting that sometimes it led to outcomes that were not good for women, or at least worse than the status quo ante. This escalated until around 2021 when Julie Bindel published "Feminism for Women: The Real Route to Liberation", which provided (restated?) a theoretical justification for pursuing goals that were inequitable and inegalitarian but were better for women. Thus fortified, British feminists were free to pursue goals that focussed exclusively on the benefit to women, even if they led to inequality

    This is illustrated by your phrase "sex-based rights" and other phrases like"fairness" and the gender-critical networks preceded by "SEEN" - an acronym meaning "Sex Equality And Equity Network" - pay homage to that.

    You may recall that I've mentioned Robert Reilly before, and his work on tracking wars of ideas. One technique is to track the popularity of shibboleths and cant phrases over time. I think that the rise of fairness-based phrases and the fall of equality-based phrases demonstrates that @williamglenn is onto something, albeit not something I like.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,955
    kinabalu said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2065526452783583673

    Exclusive:
     
    Britain must not be “squeamish” about reducing the welfare bill to fund additional spending on defence, Andy Burnham has said.

    A right populist, a left populist, and a pragmatic centrist walk into this bar ...
    ... and the barman says "The art gallery were on the phone. You can have some abstract modern art for your leadership launch. And the orchestra want to know which Stravinsky piece you'd like."
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,878

    A match made in heaven, or whichever circle of hell is reserved for the likes of Bari and Trev,

    Thrilled to welcome @TrevorPTweets to @CBSNews.

    https://x.com/bariweiss/status/2065440278987583832?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q

    The first comment under the tweet is a highly vituperative offering from 'Malcolm'.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,666
    I couldn't give a shit about the World Cup.

    Sorry.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,878
    edited June 12

    Just funnier by the hour.

    caroline wheeler
    @cazjwheeler

    New: Morgan McSweeney is back advising the Prime Minister – four months after he resigned over his role in the Mandelson scandal.
    The former No 10 chief of staff is advising Sir Keir Starmer in his moment of greatest peril, multiple government and Whitehall sources told The i Paper.

    https://x.com/cazjwheeler/status/2065481609240019430

    I'm actually unsurprised if that's true. A relationship as close and exclusive as theirs doesn't die with a p45.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,955

    I couldn't give a shit about the World Cup.

    Sorry.

    OK, I'm sure it's lovely for the players, but does anyone else give a shit about it? Even the flags at the local flaggy football pub seem a bit forlorn.
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 115
    Scott_xP said:

    One day into the World Cup, FIFA is doing “actually, the stadiums ARE full” posts stating that there are “ticketed fans… standing in concourses rather than staying in their assigned seats”

    https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3mo4o2wcf622m

    Three matches in and the first two big matches...two of the three host nations. Full stadiums is hardly surprising at this stage and tonights was only a 40k capacity.

    Peter.
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