What the voters think about Nigel Farage and his motives – politicalbetting.com
What the voters think about Nigel Farage and his motives – politicalbetting.com
This finding from More In Common is well worth reading in full about the murder of Henry Nowak, what I find most striking about this is how badly the voters think about Nigel Farage’s motives and Luke Tryl from More In Common writes
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Not sure what the polling really shows on this. Most people really don't like Farage and his bigotry but in our fractured political system that doesn't matter too much as long as 30% or so do. And a lot of that 30% seem to have lapped up his comments.
David Lammy’s proposals to restrict the right to jury trial have been examined by the Justice Committee of the House of Commons.
And. Well. Um.
It’s *quite* the report.
I think it’s actually worse than politely scathing.
It’s embarrassing 👇🏼🪡🧵
https://x.com/Joanna__Hardy/status/2064675359212077216
If I get time I might look up the report.
Seems to me Mr Farage's problem is his need for centre stage. That sometimes achieves his presumed aims but sometimes, as in this case apparently, not so much.
Farage's reaction was certainly more self serving than most politicians' efforts on this.
TLDR: He'll be lucky to win it but if he goes, he'll join Churchill, Bevin and Benn
https://consoc.org.uk/markerfield-by-election/
Not that there's anything unfriendly journalists would want to ask him about.
There are only 8 Reform MPs and they have a combined wealth of over £70,000,000.
They have consistently voted against every single improvement to workers rights and plan to scrap legal protections left right and centre..
https://x.com/Heccles94/status/2064381145442046058
But even if productivity for the average worker is increasing that doesn't bear electoral fruit for the government unless it results in increased pay.
Workers are not going to be impressed if their greater productivity and greater output results in nothing for themselves but higher business profits and bigger payouts to the executive oligarchy.
The part of the Star Wars mythos where the incompetent elites who failed to stop the system from sliding into fascism simply go into hiding and do nothing waiting for a bunch of kids to grow up and fix the problem themselves hits pretty hard right now.
https://x.com/gerrycanavan/status/1530571343460286464
Again ... lacking in comms and political skills.
Thirtyish percent support with tenish percent efficient tacit support from Lib Dems and few people really motivated to vote against you wins big, sure.
Farage has thirtyish percent who are very motivated to vote for him. But that's about it. If push comes to shove, the Conservatives might back him, but the RefCon map is much messier than the LibLab one. It wins in low turnout local elections, but I'm less sure about general elections.
I'd be more sanguine if there were more evidence of Conservatives acknowledging that Labour are merely the opposition, Reform are the enemy. But baby steps.
https://x.com/stopfundinghate/status/2064766706858205624?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
https://x.com/SollenbergerRC/status/2064876122039304370
Failed to look above - it's a new Trump prediction market:
https://x.com/SollenbergerRC/status/2064876015684301182
So almost certainly a scam of some sort.
We have not before been where 60%+ of social democratic centrists, almost all voting Lab, Con, LD, SNP, PC, are pitched against 30% of insurgents in a general election with FPTP.
My guess is that 30% will not be enough once a uniquely tactical GE takes place in 2029. But the 80% of non politicised non anoraks will not think about any of this until about 2028. Why should they? Labour have a trillion seats.
There has to be an explanation for why punters think that neither a Reform majority nor Reform most seats is even at 50% probability. The only realistic ones are a Reform 'rapid unscheduled disassembly' or a tactical vote triumph for the boring centrists like me.
Ref UK have let one of their suspended Councillors back in, and said the matter is now resolved; he stands for things that imo they need to reject. It highlights the tensions they have in their support coalition.
The chap is Cllr Ben Rowe, in Plymouth. and his beyond-the-pale comments are very recent, and disparage both Jewish people and Muslims. The two reports:
Commenting beneath a YouTube video in February of this year, he accused "the Jews" of "creating division by forcing other races on our societies".
Elsewhere he described immigrants to the UK of "breeding like rats", posted blackface memes and labelled Islam "a cancer". It’s also reported that Rowe reposted content that suggested Covid had a “Hebrew” source.
https://www.devonlive.com/news/local-news/reform-uk-councillor-suspended-just-10961028
His case was investigated by the National Discipline Committee of Reform UK.
Leader of the Plymouth Reform UK group Cllr Steve Ricketts (Drake) said the committee “gave weight to his apology and to the fact that the publicity surrounding these matters has plainly been a serious personal lesson.
https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/suspended-plymouth-reform-uk-councillor-11004505
That does not sound very resolved.
If Burnham loses, it would be another blow to Labour and a further boost for Reform, yet if he wins, it will present a direct challenge to the Prime Minister’s leadership.
which I think even Daily Express readers know.
1. A firm challenge from the further right. Lowe sounds like the sane person even though his policy is deport TSE and Sunil. That Reform welcomed in and promoted up the likes of Jenrick and Braverman - the people who let the Belfast attacker in - just accelerates this trend.
2. A competency challenge inside. Reform are now doing performative virtue signalling (singing the national anthem at council meetings) before proceeding to be functionally incompetent.
3. A revulsion from sane voters. They don't like Farage at the best of times and now he has gone hysterical in response to points 1&2 they like him even less. We are seeing clear and massive tactical voting to stop them in by-elections. With a swathe of party choices available and the right one now chosen (Plaid, Green, Burnham) in response to the Runcorn debacle.
Farage is done. All 3 points are wider political. I could have added a (4) being his £5m destroying his man of the people schtick.
Wolves have sacked Rob Edwards.
I'm not saying Reform suddenly collapse - that only happens if there is a scandal which takes Farage out. Otherwise they will keep fighting each other jettisoning people. We already had fun watching Reform councillors / MPs kicked out for non-attendance, massive racism, absurd scandal etc etc. Now we have the start of Reform elected members defecting both to the left (Tories) and right (Restore).
I wonder how much his engagement farming earns.
Anyway, Reform are right to oppose the job destroying policies of the current govt. It is hardly being against workers rights to oppose legislation they, and others in politics, believe is at the behest of the unions and will be counter productive.
Scrap,Rayners bill and workers will still have rights. Lots of them. The same rights they had the day before the bills first stage was enacted
Rupert Lowe getting savaged on Twitter for calling Belfast Britain
Various Reform people on telly getting savaged for saying the suspect was illegal. VD on Newsnight especially savage
They have a narrative. They're all illegals. They threaten native white Brits. The previous Bad People let them in. We will fight each other over how many we will deport.
But Novak was an immigrant. And his killer was British. And the suspect in Belfast was legal, granted leave to remain by Reform politicians. Watching Jenrick tied up in knots trying to avoid that he personally let the guy in has been great. And lets burn out the HMOs, as they burn out native Ulstermen and Ukranians welcomed into the community.
Perhaps we may be able to nudge people in the direction of all this is more complex than charlie uniforms like Jenrick claim it is.
And the last thing is that its now blindingly obvious that the snooty class in Reform think voters are thick. And voters don't generally like being called thick.
Politely excoriating.
For the 2026 cohort, the Greens still have a higher pro rata rate (about 10 in total), but their defenestrations have slowed more over the month.
Now that the Community Leaders have been assured that the “Problematic People” won’t be coming back to their Communities, we have Moved Forward
The Community Feedback Sessions moved to the Performative Dance Stage last night - see the water cannon vs burning bins with the spides running backwards and forwards in a semi-threatening tribal dance.
Isn’t Traditional Culture marvellous?
Belfast riots: mobs burn immigrant homes in modern-day pogrom
African carers, Ukrainians and a Romani family were among those forced to flee as masked men with hit lists and petrol bombs went door to door targeting foreigners
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/belfast-riots-protests-burning-attack-knife-6pktjfpnj
Now, if you have expressed any doubts you are being threatened with a visit from the man himself. How the parties think this is actually helping their cause is, in my view, one of the greatest delusions of the political class.
I recall, for example,, Rick Jolly dismantling a journalist who queried why the British military medics were treating casualties on a strict priority basis, rather than British first, Argentines second.
£15k an hour for some of his 'jobs'. Not being bought off by oligarchs, oh no, not at all.
It’s taxpayers money and only advisory recommendation not obligatory. It’s a transfer of wealth from younger people to entitled boomers.
A less deserving cohort of money grabbers it is hard to imagine. This was first mooted in 93, passed into law in 95. The compo is for a 28 month delay in sending a letter they were under no obligation to send anyway. It is nuts giving them a penny
All women affected by equality of pension age are now retired.
My pension age has gone up twice. Where’s my compo ?
The government clearly communicated a change in policy over a long period of time (I think the report said 1994-2005) but said that they should have written individually to each of the women after 2005.
At some point there needs to be a limit of what is reasonable communication about a well telegraphed changed in government policy.
This was not an error, or covering something up or a scandal. It is a difference in judgement of reasonable efforts. And the WASPI women are demanding a manifest unfairness - that women should be paid pensions earlier than men.
It’s a simple transfer of wealth from the taxpayer to some greedy individuals
Anyway, this is bang on
https://x.com/rcolvile/status/2064956662247551168?s=61
The only difference from the original pogroms is that the victims aren't Jewish, and so far it's isolated instances rather than a regular occurrence.
The people were sick and tired of the by election and being knocked up and canvassed and couldn’t wait for it to end.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/the-burning-of-bombay-street-the-start-of-the-combustible-years-1.3986347
There are many affected women who have no complaints as they see the fairness of equalisation and the process for a variety of reasons.
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