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  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,510
    carnforth said:

    HYUFD said:

    YouGov poll:

    UK would not have previous opt-outs (including the Euro and Schengen)

    EU membership referendum

    Stay out/Leave: 55% (+3)
    Join/Remain: 45% (-3)

    +/- vs. EU Membership Referendum 2016

    https://x.com/EuropeElects/status/2064366741224862056?s=20

    Oh dear! That doesn't match what the Rejoiners have been telling us.
    My guess is most people don't quite know what Schengen is, but the Euro is very toxic.
    But they do know what being stuck in a queue at immigration in a European airport is like. So tell them that with Schengen, this pita disappears.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,510
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    .

    Has Andy Burnham got the gravitas to be PM?

    I'm beginning to wonder.

    Very Little Gravitas Indeed
    Very little needed. How much gravitas did Truss or or Johnson have?

    Let alone Trump!
    More gravy train than gravitas.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,472
    Tickets booked for Disclosure Day tomorrow afternoon.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,856
    edited June 9
    Here's a funny thing: did you ever wonder why Britney Spears used a British accent in "Scream and Shout"? Well it goes like this:
    Then something happened Tulisa gets money and deservedly so
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,365

    HYUFD said:

    Has Andy Burnham got the gravitas to be PM?

    I'm beginning to wonder.

    If Justin Trudeau, a former drama supply teacher, could be PM of a G7 nation for a decade I am sure Cambridge educated Burnham could manage.

    Zelensky was a comic actor too. Perhaps there is something in this, might we have been happier with a PM Mirren or Grant? Maybe in the future Emma Watson?
    "I have as much chance of becoming Prime Minister as of being decapitated by a frisbee or of finding Elvis." - Boris.
    "It will be years, and not in my time, before a woman will lead the Party or become Prime Minister"

    Guess who?

    Thank God she was wrong.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,230
    Rolf Degen is a serious observer of the latest scientific news.

    "Rolf Degen
    @DegenRolf

    India is the latest country to join the “sex recession,” with a marked decline in the frequency of sexual intercourse among men, and Japanese men are finding it increasingly difficult to achieve penile rigidity for penetration.
    International studies have shown a steady decline in marital sexual frequency in the recent decades. Data from South Asia remain scarce, despite anecdotal clinical reports suggesting a similar trend. To evaluate generational differences in marital coital frequency among Indian men and to compare these findings with international trends.
    Across five decades, a clear generational decline in marital coital frequency was observed among Indian men. The downward trend persisted across all marital durations, with younger generations maintaining nearly half the sexual frequency of older cohorts at comparable stages of marriage. This mirrors international trends."

    https://x.com/DegenRolf/status/2064219917201625428
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,452
    kle4 said:

    The U.S. Central Command said American forces launched strikes on Iran at 5 p.m. Eastern Time on Tuesday in response to the downing of an Apache helicopter. “The mission is a proportional response to unjustified Iranian aggression,” the military said in a statement on social media.

    NY Time live blog

    Very unlike Trump to push a 'proportionate response' given early on he was threatening to destroy the entire Iranian civilization if they didn't surrender.

    He must really want a deal badly.
    Oh he does. Boy, does he want/need a deal.

    That is why the Iranian leadership are waking up laughing every morning.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,230

    Can you guess the other two? I got them.

    Today marks 43 years to the day, 9th June 1983, that I was first elected to Parliament in Margaret Thatcher's glorious landslide election. Only 3 of us elected that day remain in parliament with uninterrupted service.

    https://x.com/EdwardLeighGB/status/2064378561381769611

    Corbyn is one, can't think of the other atm.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,337
    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    Has Andy Burnham got the gravitas to be PM?

    I'm beginning to wonder.

    If Justin Trudeau, a former drama supply teacher, could be PM of a G7 nation for a decade I am sure Cambridge educated Burnham could manage.

    Zelensky was a comic actor too. Perhaps there is something in this, might we have been happier with a PM Mirren or Grant? Maybe in the future Emma Watson?
    "I have as much chance of becoming Prime Minister as of being decapitated by a frisbee or of finding Elvis." - Boris.
    "It will be years, and not in my time, before a woman will lead the Party or become Prime Minister"

    Guess who?

    Thank God she was wrong.
    Would that have been Thatcher herself?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,022
    Andy_JS said:

    Rolf Degen is a serious observer of the latest scientific news.

    "Rolf Degen
    @DegenRolf

    India is the latest country to join the “sex recession,” with a marked decline in the frequency of sexual intercourse among men, and Japanese men are finding it increasingly difficult to achieve penile rigidity for penetration.
    International studies have shown a steady decline in marital sexual frequency in the recent decades. Data from South Asia remain scarce, despite anecdotal clinical reports suggesting a similar trend. To evaluate generational differences in marital coital frequency among Indian men and to compare these findings with international trends.
    Across five decades, a clear generational decline in marital coital frequency was observed among Indian men. The downward trend persisted across all marital durations, with younger generations maintaining nearly half the sexual frequency of older cohorts at comparable stages of marriage. This mirrors international trends."

    https://x.com/DegenRolf/status/2064219917201625428

    This sounds like a hard one to fix. Hopefully no one trivialises the issue by trying to get a rise out of it.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,856

    Tickets booked for Disclosure Day tomorrow afternoon.

    The reviews are out and are mixed to good. I think it's the kind of thing I like
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,365

    There was a GE this day in 1983.

    A one Tony Blair was elected for the first time.

    Bernie Grant became the first black MP to be elected to Parliament at that election.

    Sorry, just checked - 1987 in fact. Memory playing tricks on me. I think Diane Abbot was also in that intake.
    I think Paul Boateng was elected at that election too, wasn't he?

    I remember because he made the staggeringly fatuous comment, "Brent South today, Soweto tomorrow" on that election night.

    And, deservedly, never quite lived it down.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,337
    Andy_JS said:

    Rolf Degen is a serious observer of the latest scientific news.

    "Rolf Degen
    @DegenRolf

    India is the latest country to join the “sex recession,” with a marked decline in the frequency of sexual intercourse among men, and Japanese men are finding it increasingly difficult to achieve penile rigidity for penetration.
    International studies have shown a steady decline in marital sexual frequency in the recent decades. Data from South Asia remain scarce, despite anecdotal clinical reports suggesting a similar trend. To evaluate generational differences in marital coital frequency among Indian men and to compare these findings with international trends.
    Across five decades, a clear generational decline in marital coital frequency was observed among Indian men. The downward trend persisted across all marital durations, with younger generations maintaining nearly half the sexual frequency of older cohorts at comparable stages of marriage. This mirrors international trends."

    https://x.com/DegenRolf/status/2064219917201625428

    It will be interesting to see to what extent Ukraine benefits from a post-war baby boom, if at all, assuming that there is a durable end to the war at some point.

    Sadly a pregnant 22 year old woman was one of the recent civilian deaths as a result of Russian drone attacks on Kharkiv.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,282
    viewcode said:

    Tickets booked for Disclosure Day tomorrow afternoon.

    The reviews are out and are mixed to good. I think it's the kind of thing I like
    Sod the reviews. I want the conspiracy theorists banging on about how it’s paving the way for the real disclosure day.

    #nothappening
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,966

    Tickets booked for Disclosure Day tomorrow afternoon.

    Is it a Mandelson biopic?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,885
    Looks like I'll have to postpone my attempt to do Northern Ireland Railways for another year.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,230
    edited June 9

    Looks like I'll have to postpone my attempt to do Northern Ireland Railways for another year.

    Everything will probably be fine there within a few days, so you won't have to wait so long.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,508
    Hello from Belfast where the great unwashed of Loyalism have declared an evening of rioting and house clearance.

    There are I'm sure quite a few with Republican communities who would like to do their own but the orthodoxy that Irish Republicans love the asylum seekers and welcome them with open arms is strong. Some very burly looking community workers keeping locals from gathering....

    I will lay it out and I suspect plenty a UK city is the same. We have had a lot of inward migration last 10 years from outside EU/wider Europe and its easy to stratify into its main groups:

    Indians: Often come as families, work in tech and health. Younger members of family often seen in retail. Well integrated and have set up small clusters
    West Africans: not clustered, seen all the time usually on way or going from the care homes and hospitals in which they work
    Filipinos: Brought specifically in for the NHS over recent years
    North East African. Somali, Sudanese. Disproportionately younger male, don't seem to be as much in the working population
    Middle East Arab: Some families but disproportionately younger males,

    The last two groups are the asylum seekers, the former three economic and legal migrants.

    I will give you one guess where the social interaction issues with the natives lie.

  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,452
    Fishing said:

    There was a GE this day in 1983.

    A one Tony Blair was elected for the first time.

    Bernie Grant became the first black MP to be elected to Parliament at that election.

    Sorry, just checked - 1987 in fact. Memory playing tricks on me. I think Diane Abbot was also in that intake.
    I think Paul Boateng was elected at that election too, wasn't he?

    I remember because he made the staggeringly fatuous comment, "Brent South today, Soweto tomorrow" on that election night.

    And, deservedly, never quite lived it down.
    Although his comment was actually technically correct as he went on to South African High Commissionaire.



  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,452
    Fishing said:

    There was a GE this day in 1983.

    A one Tony Blair was elected for the first time.

    Bernie Grant became the first black MP to be elected to Parliament at that election.

    Sorry, just checked - 1987 in fact. Memory playing tricks on me. I think Diane Abbot was also in that intake.
    I think Paul Boateng was elected at that election too, wasn't he?

    I remember because he made the staggeringly fatuous comment, "Brent South today, Soweto tomorrow" on that election night.

    And, deservedly, never quite lived it down.
    Although his comment was actually technically correct as he went on to South African High Commissionaire.



  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,230

    There was a GE this day in 1983.

    A one Tony Blair was elected for the first time.

    The election where the SDP/Liberal Alliance's strategy was a big failure, in the sense that their vote went up most in the seats they couldn't win, and went up least in their best prospects. Very poor targetting.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,856
    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    Fans of "World War Z" and "Greyhound" may be pleased to know that sequels may be happening:


    At least people won't be able to moan that WWZ 2 is nothing at all like the book, as with the first film.
    It's like "Foundation": they bought the rights, threw away the book, kept the title, did a whole new film. I actually like the WWZ film despite owning (and loving) the book. But they are two different things.
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,508

    Looks like I'll have to postpone my attempt to do Northern Ireland Railways for another year.

    Fuck sake Sunil where is your sense of adventure. Anyway its buses we burn not trains.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,911
    Yokes said:

    Hello from Belfast where the great unwashed of Loyalism have declared an evening of rioting and house clearance.

    There are I'm sure quite a few with Republican communities who would like to do their own but the orthodoxy that Irish Republicans love the asylum seekers and welcome them with open arms is strong. Some very burly looking community workers keeping locals from gathering....

    I will lay it out and I suspect plenty a UK city is the same. We have had a lot of inward migration last 10 years from outside EU/wider Europe and its easy to stratify into its main groups:

    Indians: Often come as families, work in tech and health. Younger members of family often seen in retail. Well integrated and have set up small clusters
    West Africans: not clustered, seen all the time usually on way or going from the care homes and hospitals in which they work
    Filipinos: Brought specifically in for the NHS over recent years
    North East African. Somali, Sudanese. Disproportionately younger male, don't seem to be as much in the working population
    Middle East Arab: Some families but disproportionately younger males,

    The last two groups are the asylum seekers, the former three economic and legal migrants.

    I will give you one guess where the social interaction issues with the natives lie.

    Our very own Kristalnacht, until rain stopped play.

    Which sounds as if it disappoints you.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,286

    carnforth said:

    HYUFD said:

    YouGov poll:

    UK would not have previous opt-outs (including the Euro and Schengen)

    EU membership referendum

    Stay out/Leave: 55% (+3)
    Join/Remain: 45% (-3)

    +/- vs. EU Membership Referendum 2016

    https://x.com/EuropeElects/status/2064366741224862056?s=20

    Oh dear! That doesn't match what the Rejoiners have been telling us.
    My guess is most people don't quite know what Schengen is, but the Euro is very toxic.
    But they do know what being stuck in a queue at immigration in a European airport is like. So tell them that with Schengen, this pita disappears.
    Would also disappear if we were in the EU but not Schengen, pace RoI. So you are are a good example of someone who doesn't understand what Schenghen is :smile:
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 26,296
    Brixian59 said:

    boulay said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Nice long sentences for those who protested at Henry Nowak demonstrations.

    "Two men have been jailed for violent disorder at a protest in Southampton following the murder of Henry Nowak.

    Connor Bishop, 24, was sentenced to two years and eight months and Leon O'Leary, 41, was jailed for three years and one month. Both pleaded guilty to violent disorder at a previous hearing.

    They are the first people to be sentenced after violence on 2 June saw 12 police officers and a police dog injured as missiles including wheelie bins and chairs were thrown."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c982y5n0nlno

    Leon, who was protesting about a murder by knifing:

    "admitted resisting a police officer and possession of an offensive weapon - a samurai sword in his bedroom - when officers came to arrest him in the early hours of 7 June. The court heard he adopted a "fighting stance" at the top of the stairs and threatened officers who had to use pava spray to subdue him."

    No irony here I'm sure....lucky to only get 3 years imo.
    Leon a hypocritical, racist trouble-maker?

    Say it isn't so.
    Bit off as he isn’t around to bite back. I don’t think he’s racist, just enjoys causing controversy.
    Bit rich from a genocidal Zionist.
    Bloody rude from you.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,856

    Looks like I'll have to postpone my attempt to do Northern Ireland Railways for another year.

    Why, what's the worst that can happen?

    :)
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,337

    Looks like I'll have to postpone my attempt to do Northern Ireland Railways for another year.

    Have you ever tried following the routes of railways that have been closed and dug up?

    There's a few interesting pieces to see in relation to the old light railway that used to be around hereabouts.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,546

    Fishing said:

    There was a GE this day in 1983.

    A one Tony Blair was elected for the first time.

    Bernie Grant became the first black MP to be elected to Parliament at that election.

    Sorry, just checked - 1987 in fact. Memory playing tricks on me. I think Diane Abbot was also in that intake.
    I think Paul Boateng was elected at that election too, wasn't he?

    I remember because he made the staggeringly fatuous comment, "Brent South today, Soweto tomorrow" on that election night.

    And, deservedly, never quite lived it down.
    Although his comment was actually technically correct as he went on to South African High Commissionaire.



    Technically, he was British High Commissioner to South Africa.

    But yes, it was inadvertantly true.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,065
    Cyclefree said:

    The father of one of the murdered in the Nottingham 2023 case tells Ch4 news he hopes this is the last time there needs to an inquiry into the failure of public sector agencies with severely mentally disturbed potential killers.

    To be utterly brutally frank: yeh, right like that is going to happen.

    I'm sure @Cyclefree can share how we go round and around with these investigations into some major public fuck up or other and NOTHING EVERY CHANGES.



    I have been saying this so often for so long that I have now turned into the human version of one of these inquiry reports: full of horrific stories, unpalatable facts, insightful analysis and useful recommendations. BUT NEVER BLOODY LISTENED TO!
    What's that? I can't seem to hear you? I have a loud Daily Mail headline in my ear, sorry.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,885
    Yokes said:

    Looks like I'll have to postpone my attempt to do Northern Ireland Railways for another year.

    Fuck sake Sunil where is your sense of adventure. Anyway its buses we burn not trains.
    My hypothetical plan of, er, "attack" is:

    The Larne and Bangor branches on Day 1.
    Portrush branch on Day 2, also taking in the Causeway (can't go all that way and NOT visit the Causeway!)
    Out to Derry and back on Day 3.
    And the Newry line on Day 4.

  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,508
    edited June 9
    Foxy said:

    Yokes said:

    Hello from Belfast where the great unwashed of Loyalism have declared an evening of rioting and house clearance.

    There are I'm sure quite a few with Republican communities who would like to do their own but the orthodoxy that Irish Republicans love the asylum seekers and welcome them with open arms is strong. Some very burly looking community workers keeping locals from gathering....

    I will lay it out and I suspect plenty a UK city is the same. We have had a lot of inward migration last 10 years from outside EU/wider Europe and its easy to stratify into its main groups:

    Indians: Often come as families, work in tech and health. Younger members of family often seen in retail. Well integrated and have set up small clusters
    West Africans: not clustered, seen all the time usually on way or going from the care homes and hospitals in which they work
    Filipinos: Brought specifically in for the NHS over recent years
    North East African. Somali, Sudanese. Disproportionately younger male, don't seem to be as much in the working population
    Middle East Arab: Some families but disproportionately younger males,

    The last two groups are the asylum seekers, the former three economic and legal migrants.

    I will give you one guess where the social interaction issues with the natives lie.

    Our very own Kristalnacht, until rain stopped play.

    Which sounds as if it disappoints you.
    Kristalnacht my arse and an indication of typical hyperbole. The reality is the scale of trouble is pretty small but the issue is getting bigger. Everybody on the ground knows the story is and, as I said, I suspect it is a thread in a lot of places. Here the difference is sorting things by violence is generational, often organised, and while it may not be seen as accepted, its expected.
    I think therefore there should be sensitivity by the authorities to cultural mores of our communities & our traditions of sorting issues......

    What you don't know Foxy is the cops knew it was coming, not just today after the incident yesterday, but they knew there were likely to be moments where the lid was lifted off. They had plans to call in support from other UK police forces if things kicked off on this very issue. 6/7 years ago this wasn't on their contingency list at all. So what's changed? Dogs in the street know what's changed.

    Its only a matter of time before the locals start targeting the landlords of the private rental sector. A number of rentals firms have been attacked and warned off. Its seen as profiteering and no one likes that now do they. The way things are done here it will find its way across the water in time, therefore should be observed or nothing will be learned. Its just as likely here in NI that some asylum seeker/illegal immigrant call them what you will, will be killed. When that occurs, it wont give the locals cause to reflect if it sends the asylum seekers out of their area and off to somewhere else, it will be proof of what works and will only likely embolden other natives elsewhere.





  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,065
    viewcode said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    Fans of "World War Z" and "Greyhound" may be pleased to know that sequels may be happening:


    At least people won't be able to moan that WWZ 2 is nothing at all like the book, as with the first film.
    It's like "Foundation": they bought the rights, threw away the book, kept the title, did a whole new film. I actually like the WWZ film despite owning (and loving) the book. But they are two different things.
    I've deliberately not read any of the Silo books as I'm enjoy the TV version too much to risk it. Maybe once the TV version wraps up I'll give the books a go (which is what I did with The Expanse). S3 of Silo is just a few weeks away.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,546
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Can you guess the other two? I got them.

    Today marks 43 years to the day, 9th June 1983, that I was first elected to Parliament in Margaret Thatcher's glorious landslide election. Only 3 of us elected that day remain in parliament with uninterrupted service.

    https://x.com/EdwardLeighGB/status/2064378561381769611

    Are there any in parliament with interrupted service?
    Ed Davey for one.

    Chris Chope,Heidi Alexander, and probably a host of others.

    Soon, Andy Burnham.
    Sorry, I wasn't clear.

    Of MPs elected in 1983, are there any that are still MPs today that had a period of not being an MP. There are clearly lots of people who were MPs in the past, and are MPs again.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,546

    Yokes said:

    Looks like I'll have to postpone my attempt to do Northern Ireland Railways for another year.

    Fuck sake Sunil where is your sense of adventure. Anyway its buses we burn not trains.
    My hypothetical plan of, er, "attack" is:

    The Larne and Bangor branches on Day 1.
    Portrush branch on Day 2, also taking in the Causeway (can't go all that way and NOT visit the Causeway!)
    Out to Derry and back on Day 3.
    And the Newry line on Day 4.

    You are going to take the train to Dublin, right?
  • YokesYokes Posts: 1,508
    edited June 9

    Yokes said:

    Looks like I'll have to postpone my attempt to do Northern Ireland Railways for another year.

    Fuck sake Sunil where is your sense of adventure. Anyway its buses we burn not trains.
    My hypothetical plan of, er, "attack" is:

    The Larne and Bangor branches on Day 1.
    Portrush branch on Day 2, also taking in the Causeway (can't go all that way and NOT visit the Causeway!)
    Out to Derry and back on Day 3.
    And the Newry line on Day 4.

    You have to go causeway on a sunny day. If the weather is grim its really just a bunch of badly made patio paving laid by lazy workers
    Newry has the lovely Craigmore Viaduct on the way in, which you don't really see on the train since you are on it. The stop at Portadown on the way to Newry from Belfast just makes the town look like a retail park if you are sitting on the left. Edit, you can stop off at Titanic on the way out or in from Bangor, have a look a set of shipyard gates....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,874
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Can you guess the other two? I got them.

    Today marks 43 years to the day, 9th June 1983, that I was first elected to Parliament in Margaret Thatcher's glorious landslide election. Only 3 of us elected that day remain in parliament with uninterrupted service.

    https://x.com/EdwardLeighGB/status/2064378561381769611

    Are there any in parliament with interrupted service?
    Ed Davey for one.

    Chris Chope,Heidi Alexander, and probably a host of others.

    Soon, Andy Burnham.
    Sorry, I wasn't clear.

    Of MPs elected in 1983, are there any that are still MPs today that had a period of not being an MP. There are clearly lots of people who were MPs in the past, and are MPs again.
    Chope.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,874
    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    Fans of "World War Z" and "Greyhound" may be pleased to know that sequels may be happening:


    At least people won't be able to moan that WWZ 2 is nothing at all like the book, as with the first film.
    It's like "Foundation": they bought the rights, threw away the book, kept the title, did a whole new film. I actually like the WWZ film despite owning (and loving) the book. But they are two different things.
    I've deliberately not read any of the Silo books as I'm enjoy the TV version too much to risk it. Maybe once the TV version wraps up I'll give the books a go (which is what I did with The Expanse). S3 of Silo is just a few weeks away.
    That's probably a good call. For what it is worth I have read the books and I do like the TV show.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,990
    edited June 9
    kle4 said:

    Can you guess the other two? I got them.

    Today marks 43 years to the day, 9th June 1983, that I was first elected to Parliament in Margaret Thatcher's glorious landslide election. Only 3 of us elected that day remain in parliament with uninterrupted service.

    https://x.com/EdwardLeighGB/status/2064378561381769611

    I'm glad for Sir Edward, though it does amuse that if he had not been re-elected Jeremy Corbyn would be Father of the House. Not that old either really.

    Most MPs are young by US standards - google says the average age of an MP is 48 years, vs the House of representatives at 58 years. I thought the average age would go up a lot with the Senate, but it's about the same apparently.
    Historically most MPs are in their 50s, similar to the age of most US Congress members. They were only slightly younger in 2024 as lots of new young Labour MPs were elected for the first time in the Labour landslide

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/house-of-commons-trends-the-age-of-mps/

    The average age of US Senators is actually over 60, 64, so more on a par with the House of Lords, average age 69

    https://fiscalnote.com/blog/how-old-118th-congress

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7c2925e5274a1f5cc762d6/chap12.pdf
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 8,003
    California Governor:

    CNN calls 2nd place for Hilton.

    Becerra and Hilton advance to run-off.

    With 89% counted:

    Becerra (Dem) 27.9
    Hilton (Rep) 25.0
    Steyer (Dem) 22.6
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,856
    MikeL said:

    California Governor:

    CNN calls 2nd place for Hilton.

    Becerra and Hilton advance to run-off.

    With 89% counted:

    Becerra (Dem) 27.9
    Hilton (Rep) 25.0
    Steyer (Dem) 22.6

    https://edition.cnn.com/2026/06/09/politics/steve-hilton-republican-california-governor-advances
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_California_gubernatorial_election
  • PedestrianRockPedestrianRock Posts: 602
    I think we can easily overanalyse demographic changes, economics etc and overlook something much simpler.

    There is a huge social media platform, perhaps the biggest, which used to be fairly normal for 15+ years and then was taken over by a billionaire who tweaked how its algorithms worked.

    Over the same time period, traditional media declined and this website became the primary news source for a huge swathe of people.

    Over the same time period, it has become much easier through AI to spread misinformation, fake videos etc than ever before. Eroding trust even further in legacy media and traditional institutions.

    Over the same time period, the owner of this website has become extremely engaged with UK politics.

    To use an extreme example - if in the 1980s there was suddenly a brand new analogue TV channel that had the reach and editorial standards or lack thereof of 2026 Twitter - it could very well have had a massive instantaneous effect on public opinion and their reaction to news events.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,885
    rcs1000 said:

    Yokes said:

    Looks like I'll have to postpone my attempt to do Northern Ireland Railways for another year.

    Fuck sake Sunil where is your sense of adventure. Anyway its buses we burn not trains.
    My hypothetical plan of, er, "attack" is:

    The Larne and Bangor branches on Day 1.
    Portrush branch on Day 2, also taking in the Causeway (can't go all that way and NOT visit the Causeway!)
    Out to Derry and back on Day 3.
    And the Newry line on Day 4.

    You are going to take the train to Dublin, right?
    Eventually!
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,856
    edited June 10
    viewcode said:

    MikeL said:

    California Governor:

    CNN calls 2nd place for Hilton.

    Becerra and Hilton advance to run-off.

    With 89% counted:

    Becerra (Dem) 27.9
    Hilton (Rep) 25.0
    Steyer (Dem) 22.6

    https://edition.cnn.com/2026/06/09/politics/steve-hilton-republican-california-governor-advances
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_California_gubernatorial_election
    Some of you may remember that Steve Hilton was satirised as Stewart Pearson on "The Thick Of It". Out of respect to m'Conservative colleagues on PB I will not quote from Stewart's epic parting words, although I assume his speech in California will not be as forthright.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-19518692

  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,323
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sandpit said:

    eek said:

    So the first 2 people arrested in the protests outside Southampton police station have got 34 and 37 months each in prison

    For what, exactly? Looks awfully “Two-tier” unless someone was seriously injured.
    No one should be in any doubt by now that the courts take a f*cking dim view of violent disorder and rioting.

    Been that way for a long long time.

    Twitter seems to think this was the same judge who sentenced Lucy Connolly. Any truth to that?
    It's on Twitter, so probably not.
    The source is said to be the father of one of those arrested, who heard about the judge from his own solicitor.
    https://x.com/comm_passion8/status/2063188370600218928
    Sorry, but do you seriously think that Twitter account looks reliable in any way, shape or form?

    As per the edit on my earlier post, I can't see the Connolly judge, who was in Birmingham, listed for Southampton Crown Court. Let me know if you have anything that looks more plausible than the tweets of a nutter.
    Looks like the claim is that it's the Southport Judge and that's also a fix and it's as bad as what They did to Connolly.

    There may be something in that, or it could be a bad case of Twitter Brain.
    It seems there are a whole set of people who don't understand that we have the riot act (with serious punishments) as serious sentences rapidly stops people rioting when they discover throwing things results in 3 years in jail...

    And it's not unique to the UK, it's just in large parts of the world guns are used instead...

    Edit - the irony is that it actually doesn't matter who the judge is - sentencing guidelines are there to make sure judges follow the same calculations when sentencing people...
    Polite request. Please stop using authoritative sources like Sentencing Guidelines to spike a Twitter story. Whatever next.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,323

    Sandpit said:

    Yet more fires in Russia. This one could be a gas pipeline.

    https://x.com/tendar/status/2064404551352955229

    Every little helps.

    The average Russian has not a clue how much damage Putin has done. It will take decades to put back together.

    Mind you, there is a still a chunk of low-information America that can't see the damage done to the US under Trump.

    We are in a world of stupid on steroids.
    From a Russian-speaking public POV he is still a hero with the older generation. Russian-speaking family member still impressed by the rapid changes he brought after the breakup of the USSR and influence on Eastern Europe. The younger ones who didn't suffer the privations of communism won't be though.

    Can't comment about the US as have no US family members and Canadians don't count.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,323
    Yokes said:

    Foxy said:

    Yokes said:

    Hello from Belfast where the great unwashed of Loyalism have declared an evening of rioting and house clearance.

    There are I'm sure quite a few with Republican communities who would like to do their own but the orthodoxy that Irish Republicans love the asylum seekers and welcome them with open arms is strong. Some very burly looking community workers keeping locals from gathering....

    I will lay it out and I suspect plenty a UK city is the same. We have had a lot of inward migration last 10 years from outside EU/wider Europe and its easy to stratify into its main groups:

    Indians: Often come as families, work in tech and health. Younger members of family often seen in retail. Well integrated and have set up small clusters
    West Africans: not clustered, seen all the time usually on way or going from the care homes and hospitals in which they work
    Filipinos: Brought specifically in for the NHS over recent years
    North East African. Somali, Sudanese. Disproportionately younger male, don't seem to be as much in the working population
    Middle East Arab: Some families but disproportionately younger males,

    The last two groups are the asylum seekers, the former three economic and legal migrants.

    I will give you one guess where the social interaction issues with the natives lie.

    Our very own Kristalnacht, until rain stopped play.

    Which sounds as if it disappoints you.
    Kristalnacht my arse and an indication of typical hyperbole. The reality is the scale of trouble is pretty small but the issue is getting bigger. Everybody on the ground knows the story is and, as I said, I suspect it is a thread in a lot of places. Here the difference is sorting things by violence is generational, often organised, and while it may not be seen as accepted, its expected.
    I think therefore there should be sensitivity by the authorities to cultural mores of our communities & our traditions of sorting issues......

    What you don't know Foxy is the cops knew it was coming, not just today after the incident yesterday, but they knew there were likely to be moments where the lid was lifted off. They had plans to call in support from other UK police forces if things kicked off on this very issue. 6/7 years ago this wasn't on their contingency list at all. So what's changed? Dogs in the street know what's changed.

    Its only a matter of time before the locals start targeting the landlords of the private rental sector. A number of rentals firms have been attacked and warned off. Its seen as profiteering and no one likes that now do they. The way things are done here it will find its way across the water in time, therefore should be observed or nothing will be learned. Its just as likely here in NI that some asylum seeker/illegal immigrant call them what you will, will be killed. When that occurs, it wont give the locals cause to reflect if it sends the asylum seekers out of their area and off to somewhere else, it will be proof of what works and will only likely embolden other natives elsewhere.
    An interesting insight into community matters and the potential future political landscape. As we all know, matters Irish tend to arrive on the mainland in some shape or form eventually.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,848
    Yokes said:

    Foxy said:

    Yokes said:

    Hello from Belfast where the great unwashed of Loyalism have declared an evening of rioting and house clearance.

    There are I'm sure quite a few with Republican communities who would like to do their own but the orthodoxy that Irish Republicans love the asylum seekers and welcome them with open arms is strong. Some very burly looking community workers keeping locals from gathering....

    I will lay it out and I suspect plenty a UK city is the same. We have had a lot of inward migration last 10 years from outside EU/wider Europe and its easy to stratify into its main groups:

    Indians: Often come as families, work in tech and health. Younger members of family often seen in retail. Well integrated and have set up small clusters
    West Africans: not clustered, seen all the time usually on way or going from the care homes and hospitals in which they work
    Filipinos: Brought specifically in for the NHS over recent years
    North East African. Somali, Sudanese. Disproportionately younger male, don't seem to be as much in the working population
    Middle East Arab: Some families but disproportionately younger males,

    The last two groups are the asylum seekers, the former three economic and legal migrants.

    I will give you one guess where the social interaction issues with the natives lie.

    Our very own Kristalnacht, until rain stopped play.

    Which sounds as if it disappoints you.
    Kristalnacht my arse and an indication of typical hyperbole. The reality is the scale of trouble is pretty small but the issue is getting bigger. Everybody on the ground knows the story is and, as I said, I suspect it is a thread in a lot of places. Here the difference is sorting things by violence is generational, often organised, and while it may not be seen as accepted, its expected.
    I think therefore there should be sensitivity by the authorities to cultural mores of our communities & our traditions of sorting issues......

    What you don't know Foxy is the cops knew it was coming, not just today after the incident yesterday, but they knew there were likely to be moments where the lid was lifted off. They had plans to call in support from other UK police forces if things kicked off on this very issue. 6/7 years ago this wasn't on their contingency list at all. So what's changed? Dogs in the street know what's changed.

    Its only a matter of time before the locals start targeting the landlords of the private rental sector. A number of rentals firms have been attacked and warned off. Its seen as profiteering and no one likes that now do they. The way things are done here it will find its way across the water in time, therefore should be observed or nothing will be learned. Its just as likely here in NI that some asylum seeker/illegal immigrant call them what you will, will be killed. When that occurs, it wont give the locals cause to reflect if it sends the asylum seekers out of their area and off to somewhere else, it will be proof of what works and will only likely embolden other natives elsewhere.

    Is it the case that there's a larger proportion of recent immigrants in loyalist areas, largely because that's where there was more available housing ?

    I heard that reported, and wondered to what extent it's true.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,651
    viewcode said:

    viewcode said:

    MikeL said:

    California Governor:

    CNN calls 2nd place for Hilton.

    Becerra and Hilton advance to run-off.

    With 89% counted:

    Becerra (Dem) 27.9
    Hilton (Rep) 25.0
    Steyer (Dem) 22.6

    https://edition.cnn.com/2026/06/09/politics/steve-hilton-republican-california-governor-advances
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_California_gubernatorial_election
    Some of you may remember that Steve Hilton was satirised as Stewart Pearson on "The Thick Of It". Out of respect to m'Conservative colleagues on PB I will not quote from Stewart's epic parting words, although I assume his speech in California will not be as forthright.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-19518692

    It's all very funny.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,848
    This pretty well sums up the Trump Justice Department.

    Grand juror called 'Broadview Six' case a 'crock of sh*t' before it crumbled
    A federal judge ordered the release of the bombshell transcripts today to investigate potential prosecutorial misconduct.

    https://www.allrisenews.com/p/broadview-six-crock-grand-jury-transcripts
    ..Hitting the public record in a rush of nearly 200 pages, the first tranche of transcripts — documenting proceedings from three weeks in October 2025 — revealed the grand jury’s unfiltered appraisal of the case after the panel rejected an indictment a week earlier.

    “I heard this case like last week, and I thought it was a crock of shit then and I still think it is,” a grand juror said.

    Prosecutors didn’t reveal the fact that the grand jury initially returned a “no true bill” on the indictment until Judge Perry forced the disclosure.

    Then-Assistant U.S. Attorney Sheri Mecklenberg, then the lead federal prosecutor on the case, can be seen in the transcripts cajoling the grand jurors, culling out those who expressed doubts, and telling the panel to trust her judgment in order to obtain an indictment weeks later.

    “I am back because if you did not — between the questions and not getting an indictment, I did not do my job. I did not explain it to you well enough,” she told the grand jury after the first indictment failed. “I didn’t explain the law to you. I know we were running out of time, and I knew it at the time, but I realize it’s on me. I did not do my job last week well enough for you.”

    A grand juror appeared concerned that the government would keep pushing the case until it got the outcome it wanted.

    “Do you have unlimited tries?” the grand juror asked.

    “Do we have — what did you ask?” Mecklenberg responded.

    “Unlimited tries,” the grand juror pressed. “Like you keep coming back as many times as you want?”

    “Well, I don’t think we have to worry about that,” Mecklenberg replied. “I think we’re going to be just fine.”

    Her then-fellow prosecutor Matthew Skiba chimed in: “I think the saying is the second time is the charm.”

    Although it was once extraordinarily rare for prosecutors to fail to obtain an indictment, Trump’s second term has seen grand juries repeatedly rejecting charges, including in the cases of New York Attorney General Letitia James and immigration protester Sydney Reid, both of which were rejected three times by grand juries...


    It's worth reading the whole piece.
    The depth of legal misconduct might even raise a Cyclefree eyebrow.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,475
    edited June 10
    kle4 said:

    ohnotnow said:

    viewcode said:

    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    Fans of "World War Z" and "Greyhound" may be pleased to know that sequels may be happening:


    At least people won't be able to moan that WWZ 2 is nothing at all like the book, as with the first film.
    It's like "Foundation": they bought the rights, threw away the book, kept the title, did a whole new film. I actually like the WWZ film despite owning (and loving) the book. But they are two different things.
    I've deliberately not read any of the Silo books as I'm enjoy the TV version too much to risk it. Maybe once the TV version wraps up I'll give the books a go (which is what I did with The Expanse). S3 of Silo is just a few weeks away.
    That's probably a good call. For what it is worth I have read the books and I do like the TV show.
    I read the books, as I couldn’t be arsed to wait. Once you get past the significant reveal, I didn’t find the last book as intriguing as the first, partly because the writing style is fairly straightforward and unstimulating. There are some significant plot deviations between the series and the books, so (ONN) don’t necessarily count on everything playing out the same.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,942
    Battlebus said:

    Yokes said:

    Foxy said:

    Yokes said:

    Hello from Belfast where the great unwashed of Loyalism have declared an evening of rioting and house clearance.

    There are I'm sure quite a few with Republican communities who would like to do their own but the orthodoxy that Irish Republicans love the asylum seekers and welcome them with open arms is strong. Some very burly looking community workers keeping locals from gathering....

    I will lay it out and I suspect plenty a UK city is the same. We have had a lot of inward migration last 10 years from outside EU/wider Europe and its easy to stratify into its main groups:

    Indians: Often come as families, work in tech and health. Younger members of family often seen in retail. Well integrated and have set up small clusters
    West Africans: not clustered, seen all the time usually on way or going from the care homes and hospitals in which they work
    Filipinos: Brought specifically in for the NHS over recent years
    North East African. Somali, Sudanese. Disproportionately younger male, don't seem to be as much in the working population
    Middle East Arab: Some families but disproportionately younger males,

    The last two groups are the asylum seekers, the former three economic and legal migrants.

    I will give you one guess where the social interaction issues with the natives lie.

    Our very own Kristalnacht, until rain stopped play.

    Which sounds as if it disappoints you.
    Kristalnacht my arse and an indication of typical hyperbole. The reality is the scale of trouble is pretty small but the issue is getting bigger. Everybody on the ground knows the story is and, as I said, I suspect it is a thread in a lot of places. Here the difference is sorting things by violence is generational, often organised, and while it may not be seen as accepted, its expected.
    I think therefore there should be sensitivity by the authorities to cultural mores of our communities & our traditions of sorting issues......

    What you don't know Foxy is the cops knew it was coming, not just today after the incident yesterday, but they knew there were likely to be moments where the lid was lifted off. They had plans to call in support from other UK police forces if things kicked off on this very issue. 6/7 years ago this wasn't on their contingency list at all. So what's changed? Dogs in the street know what's changed.

    Its only a matter of time before the locals start targeting the landlords of the private rental sector. A number of rentals firms have been attacked and warned off. Its seen as profiteering and no one likes that now do they. The way things are done here it will find its way across the water in time, therefore should be observed or nothing will be learned. Its just as likely here in NI that some asylum seeker/illegal immigrant call them what you will, will be killed. When that occurs, it wont give the locals cause to reflect if it sends the asylum seekers out of their area and off to somewhere else, it will be proof of what works and will only likely embolden other natives elsewhere.
    An interesting insight into community matters and the potential future political landscape. As we all know, matters Irish tend to arrive on the mainland in some shape or form eventually.
    The delay before matters Irish arriving on the mainland is getting shorter, to the point of being simultaneous. A preponderance of fighting age males..

    https://x.com/scotnational/status/2064420987878187181?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,323

    Battlebus said:

    Yokes said:

    Foxy said:

    Yokes said:

    Hello from Belfast where the great unwashed of Loyalism have declared an evening of rioting and house clearance.

    There are I'm sure quite a few with Republican communities who would like to do their own but the orthodoxy that Irish Republicans love the asylum seekers and welcome them with open arms is strong. Some very burly looking community workers keeping locals from gathering....

    I will lay it out and I suspect plenty a UK city is the same. We have had a lot of inward migration last 10 years from outside EU/wider Europe and its easy to stratify into its main groups:

    Indians: Often come as families, work in tech and health. Younger members of family often seen in retail. Well integrated and have set up small clusters
    West Africans: not clustered, seen all the time usually on way or going from the care homes and hospitals in which they work
    Filipinos: Brought specifically in for the NHS over recent years
    North East African. Somali, Sudanese. Disproportionately younger male, don't seem to be as much in the working population
    Middle East Arab: Some families but disproportionately younger males,

    The last two groups are the asylum seekers, the former three economic and legal migrants.

    I will give you one guess where the social interaction issues with the natives lie.

    Our very own Kristalnacht, until rain stopped play.

    Which sounds as if it disappoints you.
    Kristalnacht my arse and an indication of typical hyperbole. The reality is the scale of trouble is pretty small but the issue is getting bigger. Everybody on the ground knows the story is and, as I said, I suspect it is a thread in a lot of places. Here the difference is sorting things by violence is generational, often organised, and while it may not be seen as accepted, its expected.
    I think therefore there should be sensitivity by the authorities to cultural mores of our communities & our traditions of sorting issues......

    What you don't know Foxy is the cops knew it was coming, not just today after the incident yesterday, but they knew there were likely to be moments where the lid was lifted off. They had plans to call in support from other UK police forces if things kicked off on this very issue. 6/7 years ago this wasn't on their contingency list at all. So what's changed? Dogs in the street know what's changed.

    Its only a matter of time before the locals start targeting the landlords of the private rental sector. A number of rentals firms have been attacked and warned off. Its seen as profiteering and no one likes that now do they. The way things are done here it will find its way across the water in time, therefore should be observed or nothing will be learned. Its just as likely here in NI that some asylum seeker/illegal immigrant call them what you will, will be killed. When that occurs, it wont give the locals cause to reflect if it sends the asylum seekers out of their area and off to somewhere else, it will be proof of what works and will only likely embolden other natives elsewhere.
    An interesting insight into community matters and the potential future political landscape. As we all know, matters Irish tend to arrive on the mainland in some shape or form eventually.
    The delay before matters Irish arriving on the mainland is getting shorter, to the point of being simultaneous. A preponderance of fighting age males..

    https://x.com/scotnational/status/2064420987878187181?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    Absence of flags except for what looks like a Polish one. Somewhat ironic.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,546
    Battlebus said:

    Sandpit said:

    Yet more fires in Russia. This one could be a gas pipeline.

    https://x.com/tendar/status/2064404551352955229

    Every little helps.

    The average Russian has not a clue how much damage Putin has done. It will take decades to put back together.

    Mind you, there is a still a chunk of low-information America that can't see the damage done to the US under Trump.

    We are in a world of stupid on steroids.
    From a Russian-speaking public POV he is still a hero with the older generation. Russian-speaking family member still impressed by the rapid changes he brought after the breakup of the USSR and influence on Eastern Europe. The younger ones who didn't suffer the privations of communism won't be though.

    Can't comment about the US as have no US family members and Canadians don't count.
    Just looking at that video, I don't think that's a natural gas pipeline: the flame is too yellow for that. My money would be on NGLs or gasoline.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,632
    edited June 10
    Foxy said:

    Yokes said:

    Hello from Belfast where the great unwashed of Loyalism have declared an evening of rioting and house clearance.

    There are I'm sure quite a few with Republican communities who would like to do their own but the orthodoxy that Irish Republicans love the asylum seekers and welcome them with open arms is strong. Some very burly looking community workers keeping locals from gathering....

    I will lay it out and I suspect plenty a UK city is the same. We have had a lot of inward migration last 10 years from outside EU/wider Europe and its easy to stratify into its main groups:

    Indians: Often come as families, work in tech and health. Younger members of family often seen in retail. Well integrated and have set up small clusters
    West Africans: not clustered, seen all the time usually on way or going from the care homes and hospitals in which they work
    Filipinos: Brought specifically in for the NHS over recent years
    North East African. Somali, Sudanese. Disproportionately younger male, don't seem to be as much in the working population
    Middle East Arab: Some families but disproportionately younger males,

    The last two groups are the asylum seekers, the former three economic and legal migrants.

    I will give you one guess where the social interaction issues with the natives lie.

    Our very own Kristalnacht, until rain stopped play.

    Which sounds as if it disappoints you.
    I will bet you supported all the concessions to the Men Of Violence and The Community Leaders for The Peace Process.

    As I’ve pointed out before, this taught the Face Eating Leopards that threatening to eat faces, works.

    The Community Leaders were carefully taught that representations to ministers would be ignored. A few death threats in the right place and *they* get called.

    Tommy Lots Of Names formed the EDL to get the same thing. Look how he’s grown….

    Feel proud - it should be a matter of celebration that education works.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,781
    edited June 10
    Good morning. Today’s good news about Russia being on fire starts with the military electronics plant in Cheboksary, which had a visit early this morning from a pair of flying Flamingos.

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2064569145245503919

    Edit: and an oil refinery in Samara.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2064570360972861800
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,942
    edited June 10
    Battlebus said:

    Battlebus said:

    Yokes said:

    Foxy said:

    Yokes said:

    Hello from Belfast where the great unwashed of Loyalism have declared an evening of rioting and house clearance.

    There are I'm sure quite a few with Republican communities who would like to do their own but the orthodoxy that Irish Republicans love the asylum seekers and welcome them with open arms is strong. Some very burly looking community workers keeping locals from gathering....

    I will lay it out and I suspect plenty a UK city is the same. We have had a lot of inward migration last 10 years from outside EU/wider Europe and its easy to stratify into its main groups:

    Indians: Often come as families, work in tech and health. Younger members of family often seen in retail. Well integrated and have set up small clusters
    West Africans: not clustered, seen all the time usually on way or going from the care homes and hospitals in which they work
    Filipinos: Brought specifically in for the NHS over recent years
    North East African. Somali, Sudanese. Disproportionately younger male, don't seem to be as much in the working population
    Middle East Arab: Some families but disproportionately younger males,

    The last two groups are the asylum seekers, the former three economic and legal migrants.

    I will give you one guess where the social interaction issues with the natives lie.

    Our very own Kristalnacht, until rain stopped play.

    Which sounds as if it disappoints you.
    Kristalnacht my arse and an indication of typical hyperbole. The reality is the scale of trouble is pretty small but the issue is getting bigger. Everybody on the ground knows the story is and, as I said, I suspect it is a thread in a lot of places. Here the difference is sorting things by violence is generational, often organised, and while it may not be seen as accepted, its expected.
    I think therefore there should be sensitivity by the authorities to cultural mores of our communities & our traditions of sorting issues......

    What you don't know Foxy is the cops knew it was coming, not just today after the incident yesterday, but they knew there were likely to be moments where the lid was lifted off. They had plans to call in support from other UK police forces if things kicked off on this very issue. 6/7 years ago this wasn't on their contingency list at all. So what's changed? Dogs in the street know what's changed.

    Its only a matter of time before the locals start targeting the landlords of the private rental sector. A number of rentals firms have been attacked and warned off. Its seen as profiteering and no one likes that now do they. The way things are done here it will find its way across the water in time, therefore should be observed or nothing will be learned. Its just as likely here in NI that some asylum seeker/illegal immigrant call them what you will, will be killed. When that occurs, it wont give the locals cause to reflect if it sends the asylum seekers out of their area and off to somewhere else, it will be proof of what works and will only likely embolden other natives elsewhere.
    An interesting insight into community matters and the potential future political landscape. As we all know, matters Irish tend to arrive on the mainland in some shape or form eventually.
    The delay before matters Irish arriving on the mainland is getting shorter, to the point of being simultaneous. A preponderance of fighting age males..

    https://x.com/scotnational/status/2064420987878187181?s=61&t=LYVEHh2mqFy1oUJAdCfe-Q
    Absence of flags except for what looks like a Polish one. Somewhat ironic.
    For 'oor Henry' presumably, accompanying taking a knee for him in the pre march warm up. Even more Ironic that a decade ago many of those rsioles would have been protesting about Polish plumbers.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,067

    Foxy said:

    Yokes said:

    Hello from Belfast where the great unwashed of Loyalism have declared an evening of rioting and house clearance.

    There are I'm sure quite a few with Republican communities who would like to do their own but the orthodoxy that Irish Republicans love the asylum seekers and welcome them with open arms is strong. Some very burly looking community workers keeping locals from gathering....

    I will lay it out and I suspect plenty a UK city is the same. We have had a lot of inward migration last 10 years from outside EU/wider Europe and its easy to stratify into its main groups:

    Indians: Often come as families, work in tech and health. Younger members of family often seen in retail. Well integrated and have set up small clusters
    West Africans: not clustered, seen all the time usually on way or going from the care homes and hospitals in which they work
    Filipinos: Brought specifically in for the NHS over recent years
    North East African. Somali, Sudanese. Disproportionately younger male, don't seem to be as much in the working population
    Middle East Arab: Some families but disproportionately younger males,

    The last two groups are the asylum seekers, the former three economic and legal migrants.

    I will give you one guess where the social interaction issues with the natives lie.

    Our very own Kristalnacht, until rain stopped play.

    Which sounds as if it disappoints you.
    I will bet you supported all the concessions to the Men Of Violence and The Community Leaders for The Peace Process.

    As I’ve pointed out before, this taught the Face Eating Leopards that threatening to eat faces, works.

    The Community Leaders were carefully taught that representations to ministers would be ignored. A few death threats in the right place and *they* get called.

    Tommy Lots Of Names formed the EDL to get the same thing. Look how he’s grown….

    Feel proud - it should be a matter of celebration that education works.
    The Peace Process has been very successful. What alternative approach are you suggesting should’ve been taken?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,781

    Foxy said:

    Yokes said:

    Hello from Belfast where the great unwashed of Loyalism have declared an evening of rioting and house clearance.

    There are I'm sure quite a few with Republican communities who would like to do their own but the orthodoxy that Irish Republicans love the asylum seekers and welcome them with open arms is strong. Some very burly looking community workers keeping locals from gathering....

    I will lay it out and I suspect plenty a UK city is the same. We have had a lot of inward migration last 10 years from outside EU/wider Europe and its easy to stratify into its main groups:

    Indians: Often come as families, work in tech and health. Younger members of family often seen in retail. Well integrated and have set up small clusters
    West Africans: not clustered, seen all the time usually on way or going from the care homes and hospitals in which they work
    Filipinos: Brought specifically in for the NHS over recent years
    North East African. Somali, Sudanese. Disproportionately younger male, don't seem to be as much in the working population
    Middle East Arab: Some families but disproportionately younger males,

    The last two groups are the asylum seekers, the former three economic and legal migrants.

    I will give you one guess where the social interaction issues with the natives lie.

    Our very own Kristalnacht, until rain stopped play.

    Which sounds as if it disappoints you.
    I will bet you supported all the concessions to the Men Of Violence and The Community Leaders for The Peace Process.

    As I’ve pointed out before, this taught the Face Eating Leopards that threatening to eat faces, works.

    The Community Leaders were carefully taught that representations to ministers would be ignored. A few death threats in the right place and *they* get called.

    Tommy Lots Of Names formed the EDL to get the same thing. Look how he’s grown….

    Feel proud - it should be a matter of celebration that education works.
    The Peace Process has been very successful. What alternative approach are you suggesting should’ve been taken?
    Let’s start with not dragging British soldiers through the courts three or four decades later, having already forgiven all the terrorists involved.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,632

    Foxy said:

    Yokes said:

    Hello from Belfast where the great unwashed of Loyalism have declared an evening of rioting and house clearance.

    There are I'm sure quite a few with Republican communities who would like to do their own but the orthodoxy that Irish Republicans love the asylum seekers and welcome them with open arms is strong. Some very burly looking community workers keeping locals from gathering....

    I will lay it out and I suspect plenty a UK city is the same. We have had a lot of inward migration last 10 years from outside EU/wider Europe and its easy to stratify into its main groups:

    Indians: Often come as families, work in tech and health. Younger members of family often seen in retail. Well integrated and have set up small clusters
    West Africans: not clustered, seen all the time usually on way or going from the care homes and hospitals in which they work
    Filipinos: Brought specifically in for the NHS over recent years
    North East African. Somali, Sudanese. Disproportionately younger male, don't seem to be as much in the working population
    Middle East Arab: Some families but disproportionately younger males,

    The last two groups are the asylum seekers, the former three economic and legal migrants.

    I will give you one guess where the social interaction issues with the natives lie.

    Our very own Kristalnacht, until rain stopped play.

    Which sounds as if it disappoints you.
    I will bet you supported all the concessions to the Men Of Violence and The Community Leaders for The Peace Process.

    As I’ve pointed out before, this taught the Face Eating Leopards that threatening to eat faces, works.

    The Community Leaders were carefully taught that representations to ministers would be ignored. A few death threats in the right place and *they* get called.

    Tommy Lots Of Names formed the EDL to get the same thing. Look how he’s grown….

    Feel proud - it should be a matter of celebration that education works.
    The Peace Process has been very successful. What alternative approach are you suggesting should’ve been taken?
    A peace process that is built on giving the gangsters whatever they want?

    You can see the success on TV.

    The decent politicians (such as the ones who got some Nobel Prizes for the actual peace) have been sidelined. It’s all about how close you can get to violence and pretend it’s not you. 71 people in one toilet….

    It’s been very successful at creating an Acceptable Level Of Violence.

    You need to understand that this success includes the riots you just saw.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,323
    edited June 10

    Foxy said:

    Yokes said:

    Hello from Belfast where the great unwashed of Loyalism have declared an evening of rioting and house clearance.

    There are I'm sure quite a few with Republican communities who would like to do their own but the orthodoxy that Irish Republicans love the asylum seekers and welcome them with open arms is strong. Some very burly looking community workers keeping locals from gathering....

    I will lay it out and I suspect plenty a UK city is the same. We have had a lot of inward migration last 10 years from outside EU/wider Europe and its easy to stratify into its main groups:

    Indians: Often come as families, work in tech and health. Younger members of family often seen in retail. Well integrated and have set up small clusters
    West Africans: not clustered, seen all the time usually on way or going from the care homes and hospitals in which they work
    Filipinos: Brought specifically in for the NHS over recent years
    North East African. Somali, Sudanese. Disproportionately younger male, don't seem to be as much in the working population
    Middle East Arab: Some families but disproportionately younger males,

    The last two groups are the asylum seekers, the former three economic and legal migrants.

    I will give you one guess where the social interaction issues with the natives lie.

    Our very own Kristalnacht, until rain stopped play.

    Which sounds as if it disappoints you.
    I will bet you supported all the concessions to the Men Of Violence and The Community Leaders for The Peace Process.

    As I’ve pointed out before, this taught the Face Eating Leopards that threatening to eat faces, works.

    The Community Leaders were carefully taught that representations to ministers would be ignored. A few death threats in the right place and *they* get called.

    Tommy Lots Of Names formed the EDL to get the same thing. Look how he’s grown….

    Feel proud - it should be a matter of celebration that education works.
    The Peace Process has been very successful. What alternative approach are you suggesting should’ve been taken?
    @Malmesbury has been quite consistent about his/her view on 'community leaders' in the Province.

    You've got Jewish Community leaders and their own quasi-police. There has been a kerfuffle about Chinese police stations in the UK. There are Muslim ones, and perhaps some Albanian ones (though I have no evidence of this). So perhaps the questions is the state withdrawing from certain communities by passing over policing to such leaders. And is it acceptable due to the reported successes.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,510
    carnforth said:

    carnforth said:

    HYUFD said:

    YouGov poll:

    UK would not have previous opt-outs (including the Euro and Schengen)

    EU membership referendum

    Stay out/Leave: 55% (+3)
    Join/Remain: 45% (-3)

    +/- vs. EU Membership Referendum 2016

    https://x.com/EuropeElects/status/2064366741224862056?s=20

    Oh dear! That doesn't match what the Rejoiners have been telling us.
    My guess is most people don't quite know what Schengen is, but the Euro is very toxic.
    But they do know what being stuck in a queue at immigration in a European airport is like. So tell them that with Schengen, this pita disappears.
    Would also disappear if we were in the EU but not Schengen, pace RoI. So you are are a good example of someone who doesn't understand what Schenghen is :smile:
    Different thing. EU citizens entering from a non- Schengen country still have to go through passport control. Just that it is a faster process for them.

    Being in Schengen does away with it altogether.

    So perhaps it is you who doesn't understand Schengen?????
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,942

    Foxy said:

    Yokes said:

    Hello from Belfast where the great unwashed of Loyalism have declared an evening of rioting and house clearance.

    There are I'm sure quite a few with Republican communities who would like to do their own but the orthodoxy that Irish Republicans love the asylum seekers and welcome them with open arms is strong. Some very burly looking community workers keeping locals from gathering....

    I will lay it out and I suspect plenty a UK city is the same. We have had a lot of inward migration last 10 years from outside EU/wider Europe and its easy to stratify into its main groups:

    Indians: Often come as families, work in tech and health. Younger members of family often seen in retail. Well integrated and have set up small clusters
    West Africans: not clustered, seen all the time usually on way or going from the care homes and hospitals in which they work
    Filipinos: Brought specifically in for the NHS over recent years
    North East African. Somali, Sudanese. Disproportionately younger male, don't seem to be as much in the working population
    Middle East Arab: Some families but disproportionately younger males,

    The last two groups are the asylum seekers, the former three economic and legal migrants.

    I will give you one guess where the social interaction issues with the natives lie.

    Our very own Kristalnacht, until rain stopped play.

    Which sounds as if it disappoints you.
    I will bet you supported all the concessions to the Men Of Violence and The Community Leaders for The Peace Process.

    As I’ve pointed out before, this taught the Face Eating Leopards that threatening to eat faces, works.

    The Community Leaders were carefully taught that representations to ministers would be ignored. A few death threats in the right place and *they* get called.

    Tommy Lots Of Names formed the EDL to get the same thing. Look how he’s grown….

    Feel proud - it should be a matter of celebration that education works.
    The Peace Process has been very successful. What alternative approach are you suggesting should’ve been taken?
    A peace process that is built on giving the gangsters whatever they want?

    You can see the success on TV.

    The decent politicians (such as the ones who got some Nobel Prizes for the actual peace) have been sidelined. It’s all about how close you can get to violence and pretend it’s not you. 71 people in one toilet….

    It’s been very successful at creating an Acceptable Level Of Violence.

    You need to understand that this success includes the riots you just saw.
    Modest of you not to reveal your doubtless impressive alternative approach.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,781
    Vanilla having as bad a morning as a Russian refinery or weapons factory!
  • eekeek Posts: 33,964
    Sandpit said:

    Vanilla having as bad a morning as a Russian refinery or weapons factory!

    It was an overnight maintenance updates and being based on the West Coast they do it at midnight PST which is a stupid time in Europe.

    Equally downtime is a very 2000 era concept, don't think I've done that in 20 years. You take a single server offline while keeping the other servers up and upgrade them one at a time.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,632

    Foxy said:

    Yokes said:

    Hello from Belfast where the great unwashed of Loyalism have declared an evening of rioting and house clearance.

    There are I'm sure quite a few with Republican communities who would like to do their own but the orthodoxy that Irish Republicans love the asylum seekers and welcome them with open arms is strong. Some very burly looking community workers keeping locals from gathering....

    I will lay it out and I suspect plenty a UK city is the same. We have had a lot of inward migration last 10 years from outside EU/wider Europe and its easy to stratify into its main groups:

    Indians: Often come as families, work in tech and health. Younger members of family often seen in retail. Well integrated and have set up small clusters
    West Africans: not clustered, seen all the time usually on way or going from the care homes and hospitals in which they work
    Filipinos: Brought specifically in for the NHS over recent years
    North East African. Somali, Sudanese. Disproportionately younger male, don't seem to be as much in the working population
    Middle East Arab: Some families but disproportionately younger males,

    The last two groups are the asylum seekers, the former three economic and legal migrants.

    I will give you one guess where the social interaction issues with the natives lie.

    Our very own Kristalnacht, until rain stopped play.

    Which sounds as if it disappoints you.
    I will bet you supported all the concessions to the Men Of Violence and The Community Leaders for The Peace Process.

    As I’ve pointed out before, this taught the Face Eating Leopards that threatening to eat faces, works.

    The Community Leaders were carefully taught that representations to ministers would be ignored. A few death threats in the right place and *they* get called.

    Tommy Lots Of Names formed the EDL to get the same thing. Look how he’s grown….

    Feel proud - it should be a matter of celebration that education works.
    The Peace Process has been very successful. What alternative approach are you suggesting should’ve been taken?
    A peace process that is built on giving the gangsters whatever they want?

    You can see the success on TV.

    The decent politicians (such as the ones who got some Nobel Prizes for the actual peace) have been sidelined. It’s all about how close you can get to violence and pretend it’s not you. 71 people in one toilet….

    It’s been very successful at creating an Acceptable Level Of Violence.

    You need to understand that this success includes the riots you just saw.
    Modest of you not to reveal your doubtless impressive alternative approach.
    Ah, Northern Ireland Expert, eh?

    It’s simple - Peace at any price isn’t peace. Sometimes you need to pay a price for democracy.

    When the vote for the truly non-violent parties collapsed, it was For The Peace Process.

    So everyone carried on ignoring anything that the SDLP or UUP said. They weren’t a problem, so they needed to shut up and get in the back of the bus. Now there’s whining about whose driving the bus?

    When the EU customs inspectors got threatened and there was a bit of arson, I recall people here going “but we only are supposed to give concessions to The Other Men of Violence”.

    You ignored the members of Parliament and invited the people who Tommy Lots of Names drama of being for tea.

    Thank you so very fucking much.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,067

    Foxy said:

    Yokes said:

    Hello from Belfast where the great unwashed of Loyalism have declared an evening of rioting and house clearance.

    There are I'm sure quite a few with Republican communities who would like to do their own but the orthodoxy that Irish Republicans love the asylum seekers and welcome them with open arms is strong. Some very burly looking community workers keeping locals from gathering....

    I will lay it out and I suspect plenty a UK city is the same. We have had a lot of inward migration last 10 years from outside EU/wider Europe and its easy to stratify into its main groups:

    Indians: Often come as families, work in tech and health. Younger members of family often seen in retail. Well integrated and have set up small clusters
    West Africans: not clustered, seen all the time usually on way or going from the care homes and hospitals in which they work
    Filipinos: Brought specifically in for the NHS over recent years
    North East African. Somali, Sudanese. Disproportionately younger male, don't seem to be as much in the working population
    Middle East Arab: Some families but disproportionately younger males,

    The last two groups are the asylum seekers, the former three economic and legal migrants.

    I will give you one guess where the social interaction issues with the natives lie.

    Our very own Kristalnacht, until rain stopped play.

    Which sounds as if it disappoints you.
    I will bet you supported all the concessions to the Men Of Violence and The Community Leaders for The Peace Process.

    As I’ve pointed out before, this taught the Face Eating Leopards that threatening to eat faces, works.

    The Community Leaders were carefully taught that representations to ministers would be ignored. A few death threats in the right place and *they* get called.

    Tommy Lots Of Names formed the EDL to get the same thing. Look how he’s grown….

    Feel proud - it should be a matter of celebration that education works.
    The Peace Process has been very successful. What alternative approach are you suggesting should’ve been taken?
    A peace process that is built on giving the gangsters whatever they want?

    You can see the success on TV.

    The decent politicians (such as the ones who got some Nobel Prizes for the actual peace) have been sidelined. It’s all about how close you can get to violence and pretend it’s not you. 71 people in one toilet….

    It’s been very successful at creating an Acceptable Level Of Violence.

    You need to understand that this success includes the riots you just saw.
    The level of violence in Northern Ireland now is much, much, much lower than it was during the Troubles.

    As I said, what alternative approach are you suggesting should’ve been taken? You’ve complained about the Process, but you’ve not suggested a different approach.
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  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,848

    Foxy said:

    Yokes said:

    Hello from Belfast where the great unwashed of Loyalism have declared an evening of rioting and house clearance.

    There are I'm sure quite a few with Republican communities who would like to do their own but the orthodoxy that Irish Republicans love the asylum seekers and welcome them with open arms is strong. Some very burly looking community workers keeping locals from gathering....

    I will lay it out and I suspect plenty a UK city is the same. We have had a lot of inward migration last 10 years from outside EU/wider Europe and its easy to stratify into its main groups:

    Indians: Often come as families, work in tech and health. Younger members of family often seen in retail. Well integrated and have set up small clusters
    West Africans: not clustered, seen all the time usually on way or going from the care homes and hospitals in which they work
    Filipinos: Brought specifically in for the NHS over recent years
    North East African. Somali, Sudanese. Disproportionately younger male, don't seem to be as much in the working population
    Middle East Arab: Some families but disproportionately younger males,

    The last two groups are the asylum seekers, the former three economic and legal migrants.

    I will give you one guess where the social interaction issues with the natives lie.

    Our very own Kristalnacht, until rain stopped play.

    Which sounds as if it disappoints you.
    I will bet you supported all the concessions to the Men Of Violence and The Community Leaders for The Peace Process.

    As I’ve pointed out before, this taught the Face Eating Leopards that threatening to eat faces, works.

    The Community Leaders were carefully taught that representations to ministers would be ignored. A few death threats in the right place and *they* get called.

    Tommy Lots Of Names formed the EDL to get the same thing. Look how he’s grown….

    Feel proud - it should be a matter of celebration that education works.
    The Peace Process has been very successful. What alternative approach are you suggesting should’ve been taken?
    A peace process that is built on giving the gangsters whatever they want?

    You can see the success on TV.

    The decent politicians (such as the ones who got some Nobel Prizes for the actual peace) have been sidelined. It’s all about how close you can get to violence and pretend it’s not you. 71 people in one toilet….

    It’s been very successful at creating an Acceptable Level Of Violence.

    You need to understand that this success includes the riots you just saw.
    Modest of you not to reveal your doubtless impressive alternative approach.
    We perhaps could start by treating crime as crime, and provide the resources to detect and prosecute it more effectively ?
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,032
    Sandpit said:

    Good morning. Today’s good news about Russia being on fire starts with the military electronics plant in Cheboksary, which had a visit early this morning from a pair of flying Flamingos.

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2064569145245503919

    Edit: and an oil refinery in Samara.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2064570360972861800

    Do we have a sense of by what percentage Russian oil output has been reduced by cumulatively? Appreciate there is a constant push and pull between fires and repairs.

    What would be great would be a deal to open the Strait of Humurz and free flowing oil from the Gulf so prices can drop another $20 a barrel and dent revenues on what reduced exports Russia has.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,781
    eek said:

    Sandpit said:

    Vanilla having as bad a morning as a Russian refinery or weapons factory!

    It was an overnight maintenance updates and being based on the West Coast they do it at midnight PST which is a stupid time in Europe.

    Equally downtime is a very 2000 era concept, don't think I've done that in 20 years. You take a single server offline while keeping the other servers up and upgrade them one at a time.
    Indeed, anything public facing will have at least two or three servers on it, so you upgrade them one at a time.

    Even in an office, there’s very little that requires actual downtime of more than a few minutes, and that’s mostly infrastructure stuff like firewalls and switches rather than servers. Most servers can be told to reboot at midnight if they need security patches, and anything that’s over multiple time zones is likely replicated att different sites anyway.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,781
    Ratters said:

    Sandpit said:

    Good morning. Today’s good news about Russia being on fire starts with the military electronics plant in Cheboksary, which had a visit early this morning from a pair of flying Flamingos.

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2064569145245503919

    Edit: and an oil refinery in Samara.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2064570360972861800

    Do we have a sense of by what percentage Russian oil output has been reduced by cumulatively? Appreciate there is a constant push and pull between fires and repairs.

    What would be great would be a deal to open the Strait of Humurz and free flowing oil from the Gulf so prices can drop another $20 a barrel and dent revenues on what reduced exports Russia has.
    I’ve heard various numbers from 30% to 50% of Russian capacity being out.

    Iran wants to keep Hormuz closed, it’s going to take a while to get them to the table. In the meantime, watch for the US reducing O&G exports in the run up to the mid-terms, which will make it more expensive for everyone else!
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,632
    Battlebus said:

    Foxy said:

    Yokes said:

    Hello from Belfast where the great unwashed of Loyalism have declared an evening of rioting and house clearance.

    There are I'm sure quite a few with Republican communities who would like to do their own but the orthodoxy that Irish Republicans love the asylum seekers and welcome them with open arms is strong. Some very burly looking community workers keeping locals from gathering....

    I will lay it out and I suspect plenty a UK city is the same. We have had a lot of inward migration last 10 years from outside EU/wider Europe and its easy to stratify into its main groups:

    Indians: Often come as families, work in tech and health. Younger members of family often seen in retail. Well integrated and have set up small clusters
    West Africans: not clustered, seen all the time usually on way or going from the care homes and hospitals in which they work
    Filipinos: Brought specifically in for the NHS over recent years
    North East African. Somali, Sudanese. Disproportionately younger male, don't seem to be as much in the working population
    Middle East Arab: Some families but disproportionately younger males,

    The last two groups are the asylum seekers, the former three economic and legal migrants.

    I will give you one guess where the social interaction issues with the natives lie.

    Our very own Kristalnacht, until rain stopped play.

    Which sounds as if it disappoints you.
    I will bet you supported all the concessions to the Men Of Violence and The Community Leaders for The Peace Process.

    As I’ve pointed out before, this taught the Face Eating Leopards that threatening to eat faces, works.

    The Community Leaders were carefully taught that representations to ministers would be ignored. A few death threats in the right place and *they* get called.

    Tommy Lots Of Names formed the EDL to get the same thing. Look how he’s grown….

    Feel proud - it should be a matter of celebration that education works.
    The Peace Process has been very successful. What alternative approach are you suggesting should’ve been taken?
    @Malmesbury has been quite consistent about his/her view on 'community leaders' in the Province.

    You've got Jewish Community leaders and their own quasi-police. There has been a kerfuffle about Chinese police stations in the UK. There are Muslim ones, and perhaps some Albanian ones (though I have no evidence of this). So perhaps the questions is the state withdrawing from certain communities by passing over policing to such leaders. And is it acceptable due to the reported successes.
    Before the Peace Process, the elected MPs were more listened to.

    When the government wanted to talk to “Community Leaders” they talked to people like David Hume. The very model of a decent human being.

    Then the Peace Process became “Give the Men Of Violence whatever they want. Tell the Men Of Peace to shut the fuck up.”

    As the man said, people backed the Strong Horse.

    So now we have a system where power resides with the drug dealers, the extorters. The owners of the vape shops and the empty barbers. Who are Tommy Lots of Names dream come true.

    Strangely, these are not nice people. Many of them haven’t done a DEI course. Quite a few discriminate in hiring. Some even don’t celebrate Pride* week.

    Last night was how you instructed the people to get what they want in Northern Ireland. It was taught in the schools. It was preached by the state.

    Note that the violence was modulated. It is a performance. Instead of going to the courts about where asylum seekers etc are housed, they went to the streets.

    Within a week, all the people they want out will be housed elsewhere.

    And Tommy will be watching.

    *some of them are more gay than Liberace, but that isn’t Done in Men Of Violence circles.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,337
    Ratters said:

    Sandpit said:

    Good morning. Today’s good news about Russia being on fire starts with the military electronics plant in Cheboksary, which had a visit early this morning from a pair of flying Flamingos.

    https://x.com/osinttechnical/status/2064569145245503919

    Edit: and an oil refinery in Samara.

    https://x.com/bayraktar_1love/status/2064570360972861800

    Do we have a sense of by what percentage Russian oil output has been reduced by cumulatively? Appreciate there is a constant push and pull between fires and repairs.

    What would be great would be a deal to open the Strait of Humurz and free flowing oil from the Gulf so prices can drop another $20 a barrel and dent revenues on what reduced exports Russia has.
    Russia submits crude oil production figures to OPEC, which show a small decline in output of 2-3%. It's thought that these are faked to underplay the decline.

    There's a Ukrainian on telegram who has looked at the public figures on Russian state oil tax revenue, and other figures, and estimates an 8-9% decline in crude oil output.

    I think Reuters were keeping track of which oil refineries were saying they had stopped operating for repairs. Bloomberg has been keeping track of the number of ships that have loaded oil at export terminals.
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