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  • eekeek Posts: 33,905
    edited June 3

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062192988961349886

    Exclusive from @carolewalkercw:

    Nigel Farage says that last night's violent disorder in Southampton is 'just the beginning'

    He tells @TimesRadio that 'the division will get far worse because 'large numbers of young white males think the police are prejudiced against them

    'The division will get far worse. What you saw in Southampton last night is the beginning

    'If we get large numbers of young white males who think the police are prejudiced against them, goodness knows where we go. This has to end'

    Man who has spent decades splashing petrol round the room says "you must be careful with these matches I'm holding.'
    Just the beginning is not saying be careful with the matches, it’s offering them the box of matches and asking if they want help lighting them
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,876

    IanB2 said:

    We came across this big rock (mountain) in the Dolomites, and Mr Dog kindly agreed to sit there so you could assess its size


    We haven’t seen enough of Mr. Dog recently. Does he know he’s the PB officially endorsed dog?
    He looks thrilled about it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    Battlebus said:

    Peter Navarro is out there batting for Trump

    It's the Iranians' fault and

    https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/5906113-iran-terror-inflation-us-confrontation/

    Fed shouldn't increase rates to control inflation

    https://thehill.com/business/5907788-pete-navarro-interest-rates-federal-reserve/

    So all eyes on next Wednesday's meeting to see how Trump's pick handles it.

    Have I ever mentioned DARVO. Seems to be quite a thing with Trump's crowd

    DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender) is a manipulative tactic often used by abusers, narcissists, and perpetrators of misconduct when held accountable. Coined by psychologist Dr. Jennifer Freyd in the 1990s, it is a defensive mechanism designed to evade responsibility, silence the victim, and shift blame

    It would be funny if after all the fury and phony investigations into Powell that the Fed continued to take the same actions which infuriate Trump so much. I've no idea what the right decision would be, but that would be funny.

    (There are other board members, and the guy who is now chair might well genuinely believe in being independent and feel, despite in general agreeing with Trump, that now is not the time.)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,371
    IanB2 said:

    We came across this big rock (mountain) in the Dolomites, and Mr Dog kindly agreed to sit there so you could assess its size


    Do more people recognise the breed in Europe?
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,466


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
    Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.

    Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
    Trump got 49.4% of the vote.

    However, the fact is that Farage got 14.4% and 5 seats at the last general election, and even if his vote has risen since then in the locals and in the polls, he barely has a quarter of the vote even now. The problem is not some massive Farage wave, it is an electoral system that might allow him to take power on such a very low percentage of the vote- it is the same problem that gave Starmer 411 seats on a bare third of the vote.

    So much as I loath NF and his cronies, the fact is without electoral reform, the system can still give him the power.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,748

    It's really, really hard to describe what is going on between the US and Iran as a "ceasefire".

    Huge damage has been caused across the Gulf by Iranian missiles. Missiles they apparently don't have.

    "FAKE NEWS from "Mr Mothman MARK"! Thank you for your attention to this matter!"
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,082
    kle4 said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
    Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.

    Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
    Indeed. Being on 27% his prospects entirely depend on whether Labour or the Tories rebound and get more than that, as a whole bunch of people in the 20s is recipe for chaos (though Reform the biggest beneficiaries).

    I'll believe he's on his way down when the 'traditional' parties are listened to again, which has not happened yet.
    It might not happen until we see the incompetence of a Reform government. Even then, Reform need to be spectacularly incompetent to be worse than the current lot.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,371
    Scott Pelley fired from 60 Minutes...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    I can see Trump's gameplan now, he wants oil and gas disruption to be as possible, so that any recovery is timed to just before the midterms so people go 'Ah, it has dropped 25% in the last two weeks, thank you President Donald J Trump Thank you for your attention to this matter' (it's his full name), rather than focus on how much it had gone up before then.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790

    kle4 said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
    Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.

    Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
    Indeed. Being on 27% his prospects entirely depend on whether Labour or the Tories rebound and get more than that, as a whole bunch of people in the 20s is recipe for chaos (though Reform the biggest beneficiaries).

    I'll believe he's on his way down when the 'traditional' parties are listened to again, which has not happened yet.
    Kemi is getting a hearing.

    Burnham may well too.
    Tories could really use a Scottish by-election win to improve their narrative, to go along with the 'slow recovery/decent ratings for Kemi' narrative.

    I don't expect it.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,082

    Scott Pelley fired from 60 Minutes...

    Even I lasted in jobs for more than 60 minutes before being fired.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    Cicero said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
    Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.

    Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
    So much as I loath NF and his cronies, the fact is without electoral reform, the system can still give him the power.
    You'd think they'd be less performatively against 'the system' in that case (by whatever name they call it).
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351
    Hope someone in the QT audience tomorrow asks Kenyon about all the work he has put into re-opening the Ashton library.

  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    Interesting:

    https://x.com/CaolanReports/status/2061975104066596893

    Every sign at this refinery in Ireland is in russian. The official website is a .RU domain.

    There’s no reason to hide it because local politicians are openly doing it for them.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/24/irish-metals-refinery-is-in-supply-chain-that-feeds-russian-war-machine-records-suggest

    A leading Irish metals refinery is part of an international aluminium supply chain that appears to conclude with shipments to arms producers feeding the Kremlin’s war machine in Ukraine, leaked records and public data suggests.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,210
    Andy_JS said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062192988961349886

    Exclusive from @carolewalkercw:

    Nigel Farage says that last night's violent disorder in Southampton is 'just the beginning'

    He tells @TimesRadio that 'the division will get far worse because 'large numbers of young white males think the police are prejudiced against them

    'The division will get far worse. What you saw in Southampton last night is the beginning

    'If we get large numbers of young white males who think the police are prejudiced against them, goodness knows where we go. This has to end'

    Farage is right imo.
    If enough people are stupid enough to think so he will be.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    It just makes sense (nice mixing in of presumably local matters).

  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,323
    Lloyds Bank and Halifax down: App outage means thousands 'can't pay bills'
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lloyds-bank-halifax-down-live-37242305

    The cashless society.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,428


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
    Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.

    Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
    While it might happen, several factors make it unlikely. The starting point is that currently the bookies odds say that he probably won't get most seats, and more probably won't get a majority. It's a Grand National so there are several ways to go wrong.

    Farage could run out of steam and desire to be PM. He knows perfectly well it will be problematic meeting the needs of both his voters and his wealthy supporters. he has good reasons to hand over the leadership. Another leader will not have his charisma.

    The tactical voting train as a national thing has not yet started. It will be massive. 60%+ of voters don't want Reform. If the 60% centrists allow themselves to be beaten by a 27% insurgent it would be sub optimal. In Ireland even FG and FF got together to keep SF out. Such an understanding is not impossible. Even without that impossible concordat, the left of centre vote is around 50%. It is, in an emergency, organisable.

    Reform will find itself, as it comes of age, with voter drift to the centre - Tories and Labour; and to the right - Restore and friends.

    Reform could perhaps win an election framed as Reform v Labour Government. less likely to win one framed as Reform v Not Reform. The second is more probable.

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,562

    Chris said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    She's still talking the same nonsense as Farage, just in slightly different language.
    She comes across well and she's not whipping up hysteria, so points for that. Courage not rage is good wordplay. She's kinda trying to help... although saying Nowak's family don't want the matter politicised, so here's my political take on it doesn't quite work.

    That all said, she starts going on about the evils of critical race theory and, yes, that is just made-up MAGA white greivance nonsense.
    Or she's got it absolutely bang on.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,876
    kle4 said:

    It just makes sense (nice mixing in of presumably local matters).

    Sensible policies for a happier Britain.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,371

    Interesting:

    https://x.com/CaolanReports/status/2061975104066596893

    Every sign at this refinery in Ireland is in russian. The official website is a .RU domain.

    There’s no reason to hide it because local politicians are openly doing it for them.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/24/irish-metals-refinery-is-in-supply-chain-that-feeds-russian-war-machine-records-suggest

    A leading Irish metals refinery is part of an international aluminium supply chain that appears to conclude with shipments to arms producers feeding the Kremlin’s war machine in Ukraine, leaked records and public data suggests.

    What are the neutral Irish going to do when Ukraine blows it up?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,562
    Cicero said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
    Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.

    Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
    Trump got 49.4% of the vote.

    However, the fact is that Farage got 14.4% and 5 seats at the last general election, and even if his vote has risen since then in the locals and in the polls, he barely has a quarter of the vote even now. The problem is not some massive Farage wave, it is an electoral system that might allow him to take power on such a very low percentage of the vote- it is the same problem that gave Starmer 411 seats on a bare third of the vote.

    So much as I loath NF and his cronies, the fact is without electoral reform, the system can still give him the power.
    Farage is heaping the tactical deck against him for a GE in 3 years time with every statement like this.

    Kemi is meanwhile playing the long game.

    The hare and the tortoise.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,082
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
    Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.

    Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
    Indeed. Being on 27% his prospects entirely depend on whether Labour or the Tories rebound and get more than that, as a whole bunch of people in the 20s is recipe for chaos (though Reform the biggest beneficiaries).

    I'll believe he's on his way down when the 'traditional' parties are listened to again, which has not happened yet.
    Kemi is getting a hearing.

    Burnham may well too.
    Tories could really use a Scottish by-election win to improve their narrative, to go along with the 'slow recovery/decent ratings for Kemi' narrative.

    I don't expect it.
    Aberdeen South is a more urban constituency than the Aberdeen South and North Kincardine South Holyrood constituency that Stephen Flynn has decanted to. It’s less Conservative friendly - betting hint.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790

    Cicero said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
    Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.

    Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
    Trump got 49.4% of the vote.

    However, the fact is that Farage got 14.4% and 5 seats at the last general election, and even if his vote has risen since then in the locals and in the polls, he barely has a quarter of the vote even now. The problem is not some massive Farage wave, it is an electoral system that might allow him to take power on such a very low percentage of the vote- it is the same problem that gave Starmer 411 seats on a bare third of the vote.

    So much as I loath NF and his cronies, the fact is without electoral reform, the system can still give him the power.
    Farage is heaping the tactical deck against him for a GE in 3 years time with every statement like this.

    Kemi is meanwhile playing the long game.

    The hare and the tortoise.
    As I like to occasionally recount, as according to wiki it is a rare variant rather than the main version as i was taught the tale, in some versions the tortoise won only through cheating (lookalikes along the way).
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,082
    kle4 said:

    It just makes sense (nice mixing in of presumably local matters).

    That’s a manifesto I could vote for.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,371

    It's really, really hard to describe what is going on between the US and Iran as a "ceasefire".

    Huge damage has been caused across the Gulf by Iranian missiles. Missiles they apparently don't have.

    "FAKE NEWS from "Mr Mothman MARK"! Thank you for your attention to this matter!"
    Spin on my Scorched Wing! It is in better condition than the East WIng....


  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,428

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062192988961349886

    Exclusive from @carolewalkercw:

    Nigel Farage says that last night's violent disorder in Southampton is 'just the beginning'

    He tells @TimesRadio that 'the division will get far worse because 'large numbers of young white males think the police are prejudiced against them

    'The division will get far worse. What you saw in Southampton last night is the beginning

    'If we get large numbers of young white males who think the police are prejudiced against them, goodness knows where we go. This has to end'

    Magnificently slithery. Farage predicts further mayhem, and explains how entirely understandable it all is on the basis of what other people (not him) think and concludes with 'this has to end' which he can assert in future means 'please don't riot, I called for it to stop' but really means 'the demands of mob must be met'.

    Snake.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,185
    edited June 3
    kle4 said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    The Tories can fight, or they can submit - Reform have laughed off the idea of the third option, of co-operate.

    That she even dares to fight suggests she at least thinks it is an area where Reform are overstepping where the public are, but we shall see if that is right - the Tories are going to lose another by-election deposit where Reform come second, or win, so it won't be revealed as right in the short term.
    As usual with Kemi a lot late, clearly scripted and insincere over 30 hours late and she'll no doubt contradict herself in the next few days

    The fact he's lagging off her own 2022 Act overseen by Jenrick shows just how out of touch with reality the right are.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489
    Andy_JS said:

    You keep reading how the US is significantly wealthier than the UK, and after spending 3 and half weeks over there in April/May I think I can confirm it's true because I don't remember seeing a single pothole, or at least a noticeable one, the whole time I was there, whereas you see them everywhere you go over here, including large ones that have been around for ages.

    So...

    Hard disagree.

    I find US roads to be significantly less well maintained than UK ones. Some of this is environmental in nature: in many parts of the US there are massive temperature swings. In Denver, it can be 32 degrees celsius one day and then 32 degrees farenheit the next. The thermal expansion and contraction absolutely hammers road surfaces.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,748
    kle4 said:

    It just makes sense (nice mixing in of presumably local matters).

    LOL at No. 10 in that list!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    You keep reading how the US is significantly wealthier than the UK, and after spending 3 and half weeks over there in April/May I think I can confirm it's true because I don't remember seeing a single pothole, or at least a noticeable one, the whole time I was there, whereas you see them everywhere you go over here, including large ones that have been around for ages.

    So...

    Hard disagree.

    I find US roads to be significantly less well maintained than UK ones. Some of this is environmental in nature: in many parts of the US there are massive temperature swings. In Denver, it can be 32 degrees celsius one day and then 32 degrees farenheit the next. The thermal expansion and contraction absolutely hammers road surfaces.
    Americans also love big heavy vehicles way more than Europe.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm assuming this has been posted already...


    Sorry OMRLP, I'm a Binface man.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,082
    algarkirk said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
    Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.

    Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
    While it might happen, several factors make it unlikely. The starting point is that currently the bookies odds say that he probably won't get most seats, and more probably won't get a majority. It's a Grand National so there are several ways to go wrong.

    Farage could run out of steam and desire to be PM. He knows perfectly well it will be problematic meeting the needs of both his voters and his wealthy supporters. he has good reasons to hand over the leadership. Another leader will not have his charisma.

    The tactical voting train as a national thing has not yet started. It will be massive. 60%+ of voters don't want Reform. If the 60% centrists allow themselves to be beaten by a 27% insurgent it would be sub optimal. In Ireland even FG and FF got together to keep SF out. Such an understanding is not impossible. Even without that impossible concordat, the left of centre vote is around 50%. It is, in an emergency, organisable.

    Reform will find itself, as it comes of age, with voter drift to the centre - Tories and Labour; and to the right - Restore and friends.

    Reform could perhaps win an election framed as Reform v Labour Government. less likely to win one framed as Reform v Not Reform. The second is more probable.

    Remember most of the media are batting for Reform. It will be Reform v Small Boats, murderers, woke and traitors that didn’t cheer England in 1966.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,027

    Lloyds Bank and Halifax down: App outage means thousands 'can't pay bills'
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lloyds-bank-halifax-down-live-37242305

    The cashless society.

    I logged into mine just now fine, so can't have been much of an outage.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559
    Trump to attend NATO meeting in July "because there are some things here that need to be cleared up and fixed,”

    Such as a large sum of money heading his way.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,748
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I'm assuming this has been posted already...


    Sorry OMRLP, I'm a Binface man.
    General Waste invented the dustbin. His name is everywhere!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842
    To be fair to Trump he was elected on a promise of large tariffs on imported goods, that would raise prices but was a gamble his voters took to try and increase domestic production and jobs. His Iran strikes though haven't helped, further pushing up oil prices especially
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    MaxPB said:

    Here's an idea, any nonsense policing guidelines or rules introduced in response to BLM should be binned. BLM was American nonsense and has no bearing on policing in this country.

    Some things in there might happen to also apply, despite the societal and policing situations being very different, so that should be checked, but as a good book once noted, This is not America.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    dixiedean said:

    Trump to attend NATO meeting in July "because there are some things here that need to be cleared up and fixed,”

    Such as a large sum of money heading his way.

    And some ostentatious fawning in the hope it placates him for a time. It will be an embarrassing cringefest as he lambasts them whilst they pretend it's all fine.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,905
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I'm assuming this has been posted already...


    Sorry OMRLP, I'm a Binface man.
    Yep the rebranding of HS2 should be implemented immediately
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,082
    dixiedean said:

    Trump to attend NATO meeting in July "because there are some things here that need to be cleared up and fixed,”

    Such as a large sum of money heading his way.

    It will give him the opportunity to state his case for the USA not being expelled from NATO.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    Wold they be allowed in the World Series or is that only for Americans? :D
    Point of order: there are Canadian teams in Major League Baseball.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424

    IanB2 said:

    We came across this big rock (mountain) in the Dolomites, and Mr Dog kindly agreed to sit there so you could assess its size


    Do more people recognise the breed in Europe?
    Now and again someone comes up and recognises it straight away, and it’s always interesting to find out why, as they usually have some connection to a Pumi. Mostly, people either come up and ask, out of curiosity, or guess wrongly - in England the most common guess is Bedlington, right size and colour, completely different appearance. In Italy the most common wrong guess is Lagotto, the truffle-hunting dog, which is the right size and not dissimilar in appearance, but the wrong colour. When we went to Hungary, the home of the breed, in Budapest people kept coming up and recognising him, because they or family or friends apparently had one, but we didn’t actually see another Pumi the whole trip. I am passing through again in September so we will have another try. In Finland and Sweden - the other two countries with more than a handful, we got a bit more recognition but only met one other, in Sweden. Otherwise it’s just a few random meetings with other Pumis, such as when coming down a mountain in Alto Adige or visiting the DIY store in my home town.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842

    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
    Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.

    Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
    Indeed. Being on 27% his prospects entirely depend on whether Labour or the Tories rebound and get more than that, as a whole bunch of people in the 20s is recipe for chaos (though Reform the biggest beneficiaries).

    I'll believe he's on his way down when the 'traditional' parties are listened to again, which has not happened yet.
    Kemi is getting a hearing.

    Burnham may well too.
    Tories could really use a Scottish by-election win to improve their narrative, to go along with the 'slow recovery/decent ratings for Kemi' narrative.

    I don't expect it.
    Aberdeen South is a more urban constituency than the Aberdeen South and North Kincardine South Holyrood constituency that Stephen Flynn has decanted to. It’s less Conservative friendly - betting hint.
    The 2 largely overlap though and even at the 2024 general election the Tory and Reform vote nearly tied the SNP vote and last month the Tory and Reform vote in the Holyrood seat was well ahead of the SNP vote
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,027
    Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?

    George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.

    Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.

    It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.

    This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.

    What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,847
    kle4 said:

    It just makes sense (nice mixing in of presumably local matters).

    What's his big issue with the refereeing of corners? Just the general wrestling in the box?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,082

    Lloyds Bank and Halifax down: App outage means thousands 'can't pay bills'
    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lloyds-bank-halifax-down-live-37242305

    The cashless society.

    That will trigger Anabobazina !!

    Assuming he still reads here.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,923
    rcs1000 said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    Wold they be allowed in the World Series or is that only for Americans? :D
    Point of order: there are Canadian teams in Major League Baseball.
    I thought Canada had become a state of the US. That’s what Trump said would happen.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,126
    edited June 3
    A new US correspondent working for Ch4 and she's very good

    Anushka Asthana.

    All the good ones are leaving the BBC in droves as the stations become emasculated but it's good to see Ch 4 is still able to find new talent
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,923
    Ratters said:

    Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?

    George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.

    Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.

    It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.

    This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.

    What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.

    We don’t know that racial bias led the police to prioritise false claims in the Nowak case. People have rushed to assume that. They may have been showing a general bias to the person they (incorrectly) thought was the victim, ethnicity notwithstanding.
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 34
    edited June 3

    dixiedean said:

    Trump to attend NATO meeting in July "because there are some things here that need to be cleared up and fixed,”

    Such as a large sum of money heading his way.

    It will give him the opportunity to state his case for the USA not being expelled from NATO.
    Hopefully someone will explain that as we don't tell,let alone lecture America on how much it spends on defence why do they think it's okay to do it to us.

    Nobody this side of the Atlantic told them to have a nuclear Triad, we get by okay with just Subs.

    If they want to have a dozen aircraft carriers that's their choice but as or main adversary is literally just down the road from some of us, we really don't need to project force across the Pacific.

    Oh and yes; China is a concern, but given it can no more project force to Europe than we can to China, not really our priority in the same way Russia seems not to be yours, even though it's attacking a US ally!

    Peter.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193
    edited June 3

    Interesting:

    https://x.com/CaolanReports/status/2061975104066596893

    Every sign at this refinery in Ireland is in russian. The official website is a .RU domain.

    There’s no reason to hide it because local politicians are openly doing it for them.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/24/irish-metals-refinery-is-in-supply-chain-that-feeds-russian-war-machine-records-suggest

    A leading Irish metals refinery is part of an international aluminium supply chain that appears to conclude with shipments to arms producers feeding the Kremlin’s war machine in Ukraine, leaked records and public data suggests.

    This was reported a while ago. https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2026/03/24/from-the-shannon-to-siberia-how-alumina-from-a-limerick-refinery-enters-russias-weapons-supply-chain/

    The company is threatening the Irish government with cutting electricity supplies to the Irish grid and simultaneously claiming that sanctions would lead to the closure of the plant, and they the plant is vital for the European market (in which case European demand will keep it open).

    It's a case study in the hypocrisy of the Irish government, and if its enduring influence in Brussels - despite claims by British Eurosceptics that Brussels steamrollers opposition from small countries, the Irish government have managed to maintain the exemption on alumina from sanctions packages, despite its vital role in military production.

    Does anyone know if there was much Irish trade with Nazi Germany during WWII?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489
    kle4 said:

    I can see Trump's gameplan now, he wants oil and gas disruption to be as possible, so that any recovery is timed to just before the midterms so people go 'Ah, it has dropped 25% in the last two weeks, thank you President Donald J Trump Thank you for your attention to this matter' (it's his full name), rather than focus on how much it had gone up before then.

    I thought he was just trying to make wind and solar more competitive in the US.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,833
    rcs1000 said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    Wold they be allowed in the World Series or is that only for Americans? :D
    Point of order: there are Canadian teams in Major League Baseball.
    Only one

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Blue_Jays
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790

    Ratters said:

    Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?

    George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.

    Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.

    It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.

    This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.

    What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.

    We don’t know that racial bias led the police to prioritise false claims in the Nowak case. People have rushed to assume that. They may have been showing a general bias to the person they (incorrectly) thought was the victim, ethnicity notwithstanding.
    We do need them to explain their thought process though. 'We believed X, for non-racial reasons' is still no explanation for not checking for injury just in case.
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 34
    HYUFD said:

    To be fair to Trump he was elected on a promise of large tariffs on imported goods, that would raise prices but was a gamble his voters took to try and increase domestic production and jobs. His Iran strikes though haven't helped, further pushing up oil prices especially

    Eh ..not quite. I think I am pretty sure Trump insisted that prices would go down and it would be other Countries not America paying them. But then he also said that Mexico would pay for the wall and so far the bill is £15bn with mexico paying "0" Pesos towards it.

    Peter.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,828
    kle4 said:

    Ratters said:

    Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?

    George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.

    Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.

    It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.

    This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.

    What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.

    We don’t know that racial bias led the police to prioritise false claims in the Nowak case. People have rushed to assume that. They may have been showing a general bias to the person they (incorrectly) thought was the victim, ethnicity notwithstanding.
    We do need them to explain their thought process though. 'We believed X, for non-racial reasons' is still no explanation for not checking for injury just in case.
    Yes, whether victim or assailant the first priority should be assessing potentially fatal injuries. Though as the judge pointed out Novak's dark clothing meant the chest wound was not visible. Easy to miss in the dark on the ground.
  • boulayboulay Posts: 8,876

    HYUFD said:

    To be fair to Trump he was elected on a promise of large tariffs on imported goods, that would raise prices but was a gamble his voters took to try and increase domestic production and jobs. His Iran strikes though haven't helped, further pushing up oil prices especially

    Eh ..not quite. I think I am pretty sure Trump insisted that prices would go down and it would be other Countries not America paying them. But then he also said that Mexico would pay for the wall and so far the bill is £15bn with mexico paying "0" Pesos towards it.

    Peter.
    Thank you for signing off your posts, if you didn’t we would never know who was writing as the username gives zero clues.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,923
    edited June 3
    kle4 said:

    Ratters said:

    Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?

    George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.

    Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.

    It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.

    This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.

    What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.

    We don’t know that racial bias led the police to prioritise false claims in the Nowak case. People have rushed to assume that. They may have been showing a general bias to the person they (incorrectly) thought was the victim, ethnicity notwithstanding.
    We do need them to explain their thought process though. 'We believed X, for non-racial reasons' is still no explanation for not checking for injury just in case.
    They clearly fucked up. There is an IOPC investigation into what happened, which will presumably have interviewed them. Radical right elements who want to push a white grievance message have decided the answer must be anti-racism policies and others are going along with that, but there’s no conclusive evidence of that.

    Taking a step back, we should find out what happened and not make policy on the hoof to satisfy certain politicians pre-existing presumptions. (That investigation should consider the role of anti-racism policies, sure.)
  • PeterCairnsPeterCairns Posts: 34
    edited June 3
    kle4 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Andy_JS said:

    You keep reading how the US is significantly wealthier than the UK, and after spending 3 and half weeks over there in April/May I think I can confirm it's true because I don't remember seeing a single pothole, or at least a noticeable one, the whole time I was there, whereas you see them everywhere you go over here, including large ones that have been around for ages.

    So...

    Hard disagree.

    I find US roads to be significantly less well maintained than UK ones. Some of this is environmental in nature: in many parts of the US there are massive temperature swings. In Denver, it can be 32 degrees celsius one day and then 32 degrees farenheit the next. The thermal expansion and contraction absolutely hammers road surfaces.
    Americans also love big heavy vehicles way more than Europe.
    Do they change how they measure temprature depending on the day of teh week?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,462

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    To be fair, we have rather more people playing cricket than rioting over the summer.

    You may be pleased to hear that cycling through Wythenshawe Park a couple of weeks back I saw a gane of baseball in progress. A proper one, on a proper baseball diamond with chain link fencing and benches and both teams in properr uniforms. It didn't have a crowd, but it mattered to the players.
    As a sport, it is almost as picturesque as cricket.
    Of US sports baseball is far the best to play and watch.
    I’ve been to precisely one baseball match (in Toronto). It was a 1-0 borefest. How anyone can prefer baseball over cricket is beyond me. With the pitch you have opportunities for the ball to deviate, bounce etc. And no gloves needed to catch the ball.

    Extra bit: Insee you were talking only of US sports. I think Football is a decent watch even though they have gone insane with protective clothing.
    ice hockey is good
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,027

    Ratters said:

    Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?

    George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.

    Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.

    It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.

    This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.

    What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.

    We don’t know that racial bias led the police to prioritise false claims in the Nowak case. People have rushed to assume that. They may have been showing a general bias to the person they (incorrectly) thought was the victim, ethnicity notwithstanding.
    Sure, but they were shit at their jobs whichever way you look at it.

    George Floyd's killers could have also just been terrible at their jobs given how bad policing is in the US. I'm sure there's plenty of examples of white working class men killed in police custody there too.

    Yes the US policing is inherently worse than it is here, hence the police actions were worse. But it's all relative to the accepted norm in each country.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489
    CatMan said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    Wold they be allowed in the World Series or is that only for Americans? :D
    Point of order: there are Canadian teams in Major League Baseball.
    Only one

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Blue_Jays
    True, but the Detroit Tigers are just a few hundred feet from Canada and... which I love... you travel due South from their Stadium to get to Canada.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,828
    Andy_JS said:

    Ratters said:

    Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?

    George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.

    Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.

    It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.

    This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.

    What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.

    The George Floyd case has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn't be linked to the UK in any way.
    BLM became an international cause very quickly because marginalised communities from Australia, to Europe to North America, even to Uganda and Nigeria recognised their own experience of heavy handed police brutality.

    You may well think that it doesn't happen here, but endless police scandals exposing racism and misogyny have happened in the UK too.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,442

    IanB2 said:

    We came across this big rock (mountain) in the Dolomites, and Mr Dog kindly agreed to sit there so you could assess its size


    Do more people recognise the breed in Europe?
    I'd like to know what breed he is, he looks like a koala cross to me.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,872
    edited June 3

    HYUFD said:

    To be fair to Trump he was elected on a promise of large tariffs on imported goods, that would raise prices but was a gamble his voters took to try and increase domestic production and jobs. His Iran strikes though haven't helped, further pushing up oil prices especially

    Eh ..not quite. I think I am pretty sure Trump insisted that prices would go down and it would be other Countries not America paying them. But then he also said that Mexico would pay for the wall and so far the bill is £15bn with mexico paying "0" Pesos towards it.

    Peter.
    It's, it's almost as if he is a pathological liar.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,923
    Andy_JS said:

    Ratters said:

    Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?

    George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.

    Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.

    It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.

    This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.

    What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.

    The George Floyd case has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn't be linked to the UK in any way.
    Do you apply this rule to other US political imports? Would you say that arguments over critical race theory have absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn’t be linked to the UK in any way, but Badenoch has linked them. Would you say that rabid evangelical anti-abortion opposition has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn’t be linked to the UK in any way, but Reform want to import that too.

    There is no doubt that there was and is racism in the police in the UK. It was right to do something about that.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,168
    rcs1000 said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    Wold they be allowed in the World Series or is that only for Americans? :D
    Point of order: there are Canadian teams in Major League Baseball.
    That's not really making it better...
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,955


    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges

    This is brilliant. And significant. Normally Farage scares people into backing off. Kemi Badenoch is taking the fight directly to him. Good for her.

    https://x.com/DPJHodges/status/2062214845093515689

    Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
    Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.

    Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
    There is no guarantee nor proof Farage is on track to becoming PM.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    To be fair, we have rather more people playing cricket than rioting over the summer.

    You may be pleased to hear that cycling through Wythenshawe Park a couple of weeks back I saw a gane of baseball in progress. A proper one, on a proper baseball diamond with chain link fencing and benches and both teams in properr uniforms. It didn't have a crowd, but it mattered to the players.
    As a sport, it is almost as picturesque as cricket.
    Of US sports baseball is far the best to play and watch.
    I’ve been to precisely one baseball match (in Toronto). It was a 1-0 borefest. How anyone can prefer baseball over cricket is beyond me. With the pitch you have opportunities for the ball to deviate, bounce etc. And no gloves needed to catch the ball.

    Extra bit: Insee you were talking only of US sports. I think Football is a decent watch even though they have gone insane with protective clothing.
    Baseball is boring.

    There's literally only one shot... you take big frickin' swing at the ball. And sometimes you make contact. And someimes that contact means the ball is in play. And sometimes that means people get a chance to run around.

    Still: there is one aspect which is good. And, which I didn't get until I went to a game, and that is the way that tension ramps up in an innings because each swing becomes incrementally more important. When the first guy comes out, and swings... well if it all goes well, he can get one run. But if the bases are stacked, and there are two people out, then suddenly it's really consequential: an out means no runs and the end of the innings. While a home run can bring in four runs.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Ratters said:

    Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?

    George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.

    Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.

    It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.

    This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.

    What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.

    The George Floyd case has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn't be linked to the UK in any way.
    BLM became an international cause very quickly because marginalised communities from Australia, to Europe to North America, even to Uganda and Nigeria recognised their own experience of heavy handed police brutality.

    You may well think that it doesn't happen here, but endless police scandals exposing racism and misogyny have happened in the UK too.
    Scandals happen, but there seemed to be outright transplantation of US realities into UK rhetoric (like people being shot by police being common) rather than consideration of the specific British context.

    If it shone a spotlight on UK experiences of race and policing, that's good. If it distracted from those experiences, that's bad, as it would just make it easier to dismiss.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193

    Interesting:

    https://x.com/CaolanReports/status/2061975104066596893

    Every sign at this refinery in Ireland is in russian. The official website is a .RU domain.

    There’s no reason to hide it because local politicians are openly doing it for them.


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/24/irish-metals-refinery-is-in-supply-chain-that-feeds-russian-war-machine-records-suggest

    A leading Irish metals refinery is part of an international aluminium supply chain that appears to conclude with shipments to arms producers feeding the Kremlin’s war machine in Ukraine, leaked records and public data suggests.

    What are the neutral Irish going to do when Ukraine blows it up?
    Given the armaments production that is happening for Ukraine across Europe I'd expect at least some of the Alumina from the plant ends up in weapons for Ukraine to use against Russia, as well as vice versa.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,923
    Ratters said:

    Ratters said:

    Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?

    George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.

    Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.

    It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.

    This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.

    What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.

    We don’t know that racial bias led the police to prioritise false claims in the Nowak case. People have rushed to assume that. They may have been showing a general bias to the person they (incorrectly) thought was the victim, ethnicity notwithstanding.
    Sure, but they were shit at their jobs whichever way you look at it.

    George Floyd's killers could have also just been terrible at their jobs given how bad policing is in the US. I'm sure there's plenty of examples of white working class men killed in police custody there too.

    Yes the US policing is inherently worse than it is here, hence the police actions were worse. But it's all relative to the accepted norm in each country.
    In the George Floyd case, the matter has been extensively investigated, including of course with a court trial of the police officer who killed him. There is no doubt that racism played a role in that case.

    The US is not the UK, and the UK is not the US. One effect of that is that people in the UK don’t realise how deep racism in the US runs, and the full history of slavery and the Jim Crow period. George Floyd wasn’t a one-off case. His was the tip of an iceberg, the one that happened to be court on a cellphone video.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,828
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    To be fair, we have rather more people playing cricket than rioting over the summer.

    You may be pleased to hear that cycling through Wythenshawe Park a couple of weeks back I saw a gane of baseball in progress. A proper one, on a proper baseball diamond with chain link fencing and benches and both teams in properr uniforms. It didn't have a crowd, but it mattered to the players.
    As a sport, it is almost as picturesque as cricket.
    Of US sports baseball is far the best to play and watch.
    I’ve been to precisely one baseball match (in Toronto). It was a 1-0 borefest. How anyone can prefer baseball over cricket is beyond me. With the pitch you have opportunities for the ball to deviate, bounce etc. And no gloves needed to catch the ball.

    Extra bit: Insee you were talking only of US sports. I think Football is a decent watch even though they have gone insane with protective clothing.
    Baseball is boring.

    There's literally only one shot... you take big frickin' swing at the ball. And sometimes you make contact. And someimes that contact means the ball is in play. And sometimes that means people get a chance to run around.

    Still: there is one aspect which is good. And, which I didn't get until I went to a game, and that is the way that tension ramps up in an innings because each swing becomes incrementally more important. When the first guy comes out, and swings... well if it all goes well, he can get one run. But if the bases are stacked, and there are two people out, then suddenly it's really consequential: an out means no runs and the end of the innings. While a home run can bring in four runs.
    I was at school in the US for 5 years. Baseball is an exiting game to play, and little league baseball games very competitive.

    It is also like soccer and basket ball in that minimal equipment is needed to play, and both pitch and number of players flexible when just mucking around.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,781
    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    To be fair, we have rather more people playing cricket than rioting over the summer.

    You may be pleased to hear that cycling through Wythenshawe Park a couple of weeks back I saw a gane of baseball in progress. A proper one, on a proper baseball diamond with chain link fencing and benches and both teams in properr uniforms. It didn't have a crowd, but it mattered to the players.
    As a sport, it is almost as picturesque as cricket.
    Of US sports baseball is far the best to play and watch.
    I’ve been to precisely one baseball match (in Toronto). It was a 1-0 borefest. How anyone can prefer baseball over cricket is beyond me. With the pitch you have opportunities for the ball to deviate, bounce etc. And no gloves needed to catch the ball.

    Extra bit: Insee you were talking only of US sports. I think Football is a decent watch even though they have gone insane with protective clothing.
    Baseball is boring.

    There's literally only one shot... you take big frickin' swing at the ball. And sometimes you make contact. And someimes that contact means the ball is in play. And sometimes that means people get a chance to run around.

    Still: there is one aspect which is good. And, which I didn't get until I went to a game, and that is the way that tension ramps up in an innings because each swing becomes incrementally more important. When the first guy comes out, and swings... well if it all goes well, he can get one run. But if the bases are stacked, and there are two people out, then suddenly it's really consequential: an out means no runs and the end of the innings. While a home run can bring in four runs.
    Doesn't come close to Cricket though, which is incredibly simple to understand.

    You have two sides, one out in the field and one in.

    Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out.

    When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side thats been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out.

    Sometimes you get men still in and not out.

    When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in.

    There are two men called umpires who stay out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out.

    When both sides have been in and all the men have got out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,219

    Andy_JS said:

    Ratters said:

    Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?

    George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.

    Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.

    It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.

    This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.

    What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.

    The George Floyd case has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn't be linked to the UK in any way.
    Do you apply this rule to other US political imports? Would you say that arguments over critical race theory have absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn’t be linked to the UK in any way, but Badenoch has linked them. Would you say that rabid evangelical anti-abortion opposition has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn’t be linked to the UK in any way, but Reform want to import that too.

    There is no doubt that there was and is racism in the police in the UK. It was right to do something about that.
    Shite post even by your standards. If critical race theory is influencing decisions in the UK, it can be debated in the UK. If we have abortions in the UK and Government sets the legal limits to them, we have a free debate about what those limits should be. To base decisions on UK policing, which is nothing like US policing, on an event that happened in the USA, is utterly indefensible, and shame on you for trying.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    Our son in Vancouver has just text to say he and his wife have world cup tickets for NZ v Egypt and Canada v Switzerland in their world cup draw at 600$ per ticket

    They hope to see Mo Salah for Egypt

    As they live in Vancouver they have no other costs in attending the matches
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    To be fair, we have rather more people playing cricket than rioting over the summer.

    You may be pleased to hear that cycling through Wythenshawe Park a couple of weeks back I saw a gane of baseball in progress. A proper one, on a proper baseball diamond with chain link fencing and benches and both teams in properr uniforms. It didn't have a crowd, but it mattered to the players.
    As a sport, it is almost as picturesque as cricket.
    Of US sports baseball is far the best to play and watch.
    I’ve been to precisely one baseball match (in Toronto). It was a 1-0 borefest. How anyone can prefer baseball over cricket is beyond me. With the pitch you have opportunities for the ball to deviate, bounce etc. And no gloves needed to catch the ball.

    Extra bit: Insee you were talking only of US sports. I think Football is a decent watch even though they have gone insane with protective clothing.
    Baseball is boring.

    There's literally only one shot... you take big frickin' swing at the ball. And sometimes you make contact. And someimes that contact means the ball is in play. And sometimes that means people get a chance to run around.

    Still: there is one aspect which is good. And, which I didn't get until I went to a game, and that is the way that tension ramps up in an innings because each swing becomes incrementally more important. When the first guy comes out, and swings... well if it all goes well, he can get one run. But if the bases are stacked, and there are two people out, then suddenly it's really consequential: an out means no runs and the end of the innings. While a home run can bring in four runs.
    I was at school in the US for 5 years. Baseball is an exiting game to play, and little league baseball games very competitive.

    It is also like soccer and basket ball in that minimal equipment is needed to play, and both pitch and number of players flexible when just mucking around.
    Baseball bats can run upwards of 400 dollars at the top end, and even 200 being normal, but there are at least oodles of cheaper options which really aren't much worse (or any worse, at kids level).

    I've been viewing a lot of baseball bat content recently.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842

    HYUFD said:

    To be fair to Trump he was elected on a promise of large tariffs on imported goods, that would raise prices but was a gamble his voters took to try and increase domestic production and jobs. His Iran strikes though haven't helped, further pushing up oil prices especially

    Eh ..not quite. I think I am pretty sure Trump insisted that prices would go down and it would be other Countries not America paying them. But then he also said that Mexico would pay for the wall and so far the bill is £15bn with mexico paying "0" Pesos towards it.

    Peter.
    If American consumers switched to US made products in theory but little evidence it has happened yet
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,828
    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Ratters said:

    Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?

    George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.

    Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.

    It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.

    This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.

    What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.

    The George Floyd case has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn't be linked to the UK in any way.
    BLM became an international cause very quickly because marginalised communities from Australia, to Europe to North America, even to Uganda and Nigeria recognised their own experience of heavy handed police brutality.

    You may well think that it doesn't happen here, but endless police scandals exposing racism and misogyny have happened in the UK too.
    Scandals happen, but there seemed to be outright transplantation of US realities into UK rhetoric (like people being shot by police being common) rather than consideration of the specific British context.

    If it shone a spotlight on UK experiences of race and policing, that's good. If it distracted from those experiences, that's bad, as it would just make it easier to dismiss.
    Floyd wasn't shot, he was a death in custody by asphyxiation.

    There were 17 deaths in police custody last year, 9 of them following physical force by the police. 15/17 were white. So it isn't a very rare event.

    https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/news/iopc-publishes-figures-deaths-during-or-following-police-contact-202425


  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,672
    Evening all :)

    It's now clear Badenoch has decided Farage meant what he said all along when he talked about destroying the Conservative Party and has decided to fight back.

    Her words are fine - I'm sure they would have been echoed by all sensible politicians and they would have been as lauded for them as she seems to be by her devotees.

    Rhetoric often crashes into reality - I am frequently told by Mrs Stodge how overworked and under pressure Police resources are in East London and the problem, bluntly, is they cannot recruit. They simply cannot get enough new officers to bulk up the establishment.

    Overworked and under pressure officers make mistakes as everyone does in all fields when times are tough and there are gaps whether it be Police, social workers or whatever.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 24,193
    Ratters said:

    Ratters said:

    Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?

    George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.

    Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.

    It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.

    This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.

    What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.

    We don’t know that racial bias led the police to prioritise false claims in the Nowak case. People have rushed to assume that. They may have been showing a general bias to the person they (incorrectly) thought was the victim, ethnicity notwithstanding.
    Sure, but they were shit at their jobs whichever way you look at it.

    George Floyd's killers could have also just been terrible at their jobs given how bad policing is in the US. I'm sure there's plenty of examples of white working class men killed in police custody there too.

    Yes the US policing is inherently worse than it is here, hence the police actions were worse. But it's all relative to the accepted norm in each country.
    We should be wary about the police using anti-racism policies as an excuse in this instance to distract from simple incompetence.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,462

    Ratters said:

    Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?

    George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.

    Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.

    It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.

    This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.

    What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.

    We don’t know that racial bias led the police to prioritise false claims in the Nowak case. People have rushed to assume that. They may have been showing a general bias to the person they (incorrectly) thought was the victim, ethnicity notwithstanding.
    Pull the other one
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,219
    edited June 3
    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Ratters said:

    Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?

    George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.

    Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.

    It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.

    This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.

    What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.

    The George Floyd case has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn't be linked to the UK in any way.
    BLM became an international cause very quickly because marginalised communities from Australia, to Europe to North America, even to Uganda and Nigeria recognised their own experience of heavy handed police brutality.

    You may well think that it doesn't happen here, but endless police scandals exposing racism and misogyny have happened in the UK too.
    By the time BLM came around, the implementation of the Macpherson Report, with several deeply damaging recommendations, such as the fact that any incident reported as racist had to be recorded as such regardless of the facts of the case, had already happened. This was post-booming bangs scandal ffs. BLM pulled the UK police (very willingly it must be said) further in a wrong direction, based on an event that was completely alien and unrelated to the real problems of UK policing.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,462
    AnneJGP said:

    IanB2 said:

    We came across this big rock (mountain) in the Dolomites, and Mr Dog kindly agreed to sit there so you could assess its size


    Do more people recognise the breed in Europe?
    I'd like to know what breed he is, he looks like a koala cross to me.
    It does say , Pumis
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,371
    AnneJGP said:

    IanB2 said:

    We came across this big rock (mountain) in the Dolomites, and Mr Dog kindly agreed to sit there so you could assess its size


    Do more people recognise the breed in Europe?
    I'd like to know what breed he is, he looks like a koala cross to me.
    Koala - Ewok cross...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    edited June 3
    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Foxy said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Ratters said:

    Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?

    George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.

    Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.

    It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.

    This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.

    What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.

    The George Floyd case has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn't be linked to the UK in any way.
    BLM became an international cause very quickly because marginalised communities from Australia, to Europe to North America, even to Uganda and Nigeria recognised their own experience of heavy handed police brutality.

    You may well think that it doesn't happen here, but endless police scandals exposing racism and misogyny have happened in the UK too.
    Scandals happen, but there seemed to be outright transplantation of US realities into UK rhetoric (like people being shot by police being common) rather than consideration of the specific British context.

    If it shone a spotlight on UK experiences of race and policing, that's good. If it distracted from those experiences, that's bad, as it would just make it easier to dismiss.
    Floyd wasn't shot, he was a death in custody by asphyxiation.

    There were 17 deaths in police custody last year, 9 of them following physical force by the police. 15/17 were white. So it isn't a very rare event.

    https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/news/iopc-publishes-figures-deaths-during-or-following-police-contact-202425


    I know he wasn't shot, it was an example of where some people would as part of the wider movement talk about issues like common shootings of black men which do not apply in the same way here, as if the same US context was in place.

    There are lessons which can apply in both, but many issues are not universal so we shouldn't over emphasise the US, I don't think that is controversial.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559
    CatMan said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    Wold they be allowed in the World Series or is that only for Americans? :D
    Point of order: there are Canadian teams in Major League Baseball.
    Only one

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Blue_Jays
    Montreal Expos used to be another.
  • Jim_MillerJim_Miller Posts: 3,872
    Turbotubbs asked: "Wold they be allowed in the World Series or is that only for Americans?" No, the World Series is limited to major league teams -- but one of them is in Toronto: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Blue_Jays

    Two unrelated remarks: First, I'd like to see three more Canadian teams in our major leagues; Vancouver and Montreal are obvious choices, and I would include one from the prairies.

    Second, baseball was a key to our civil rights progress; if you don't know the story of Jackie Robinson, take a few minutes to read about him:
    Born in Cairo, Georgia, Robinson was raised in Pasadena, California. A four-sport student athlete at Pasadena Junior College and the University of California, Los Angeles, he was better known for football than he was for baseball, becoming a star with the UCLA Bruins football team. Following his college career, Robinson was drafted for service during World War II, but was court-martialed for refusing to sit at the back of a segregated Army bus, eventually being honorably discharged. Afterwards, he signed with the Kansas City Monarchs of the Negro leagues, where he caught the eye of Branch Rickey, general manager of the Brooklyn Dodgers, who thought he would be the perfect candidate for breaking the MLB color line.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2062249266916045193

    Exclusive from @billcurtis0 and @matt_dathan

    A number of officers in the force responsible for the arrest of Henry Nowak felt “controlled and pressured to feel certain ways” after receiving mandatory diversity training, a survey has revealed
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559
    Foxy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Foxy said:

    Cookie said:

    Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/
    Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.

    (They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)

    If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.

    A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)

    To be fair, we have rather more people playing cricket than rioting over the summer.

    You may be pleased to hear that cycling through Wythenshawe Park a couple of weeks back I saw a gane of baseball in progress. A proper one, on a proper baseball diamond with chain link fencing and benches and both teams in properr uniforms. It didn't have a crowd, but it mattered to the players.
    As a sport, it is almost as picturesque as cricket.
    Of US sports baseball is far the best to play and watch.
    I’ve been to precisely one baseball match (in Toronto). It was a 1-0 borefest. How anyone can prefer baseball over cricket is beyond me. With the pitch you have opportunities for the ball to deviate, bounce etc. And no gloves needed to catch the ball.

    Extra bit: Insee you were talking only of US sports. I think Football is a decent watch even though they have gone insane with protective clothing.
    Baseball is boring.

    There's literally only one shot... you take big frickin' swing at the ball. And sometimes you make contact. And someimes that contact means the ball is in play. And sometimes that means people get a chance to run around.

    Still: there is one aspect which is good. And, which I didn't get until I went to a game, and that is the way that tension ramps up in an innings because each swing becomes incrementally more important. When the first guy comes out, and swings... well if it all goes well, he can get one run. But if the bases are stacked, and there are two people out, then suddenly it's really consequential: an out means no runs and the end of the innings. While a home run can bring in four runs.
    I was at school in the US for 5 years. Baseball is an exiting game to play, and little league baseball games very competitive.

    It is also like soccer and basket ball in that minimal equipment is needed to play, and both pitch and number of players flexible when just mucking around.
    Which is why it took over from cricket during the Civil War.
    Minimal equipment, fewer players and no need for a prepared pitch. Or even flat ground.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,828
    stodge said:

    Evening all :)

    It's now clear Badenoch has decided Farage meant what he said all along when he talked about destroying the Conservative Party and has decided to fight back.

    Her words are fine - I'm sure they would have been echoed by all sensible politicians and they would have been as lauded for them as she seems to be by her devotees.

    Rhetoric often crashes into reality - I am frequently told by Mrs Stodge how overworked and under pressure Police resources are in East London and the problem, bluntly, is they cannot recruit. They simply cannot get enough new officers to bulk up the establishment.

    Overworked and under pressure officers make mistakes as everyone does in all fields when times are tough and there are gaps whether it be Police, social workers or whatever.

    Yes, I think your last paragraph is spot on. Same goes for troops in combat zones or other emergency services. Split second decisions often have to be made when there is uncertain or incomplete information.

    Mistakes will be made, but it all looks so obvious months or years later in a court of law with unlimited time, expert opinion and when outcomes are known.
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