So all eyes on next Wednesday's meeting to see how Trump's pick handles it.
Have I ever mentioned DARVO. Seems to be quite a thing with Trump's crowd
DARVO (Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender) is a manipulative tactic often used by abusers, narcissists, and perpetrators of misconduct when held accountable. Coined by psychologist Dr. Jennifer Freyd in the 1990s, it is a defensive mechanism designed to evade responsibility, silence the victim, and shift blame
It would be funny if after all the fury and phony investigations into Powell that the Fed continued to take the same actions which infuriate Trump so much. I've no idea what the right decision would be, but that would be funny.
(There are other board members, and the guy who is now chair might well genuinely believe in being independent and feel, despite in general agreeing with Trump, that now is not the time.)
Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.
Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
Trump got 49.4% of the vote.
However, the fact is that Farage got 14.4% and 5 seats at the last general election, and even if his vote has risen since then in the locals and in the polls, he barely has a quarter of the vote even now. The problem is not some massive Farage wave, it is an electoral system that might allow him to take power on such a very low percentage of the vote- it is the same problem that gave Starmer 411 seats on a bare third of the vote.
So much as I loath NF and his cronies, the fact is without electoral reform, the system can still give him the power.
Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.
Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
Indeed. Being on 27% his prospects entirely depend on whether Labour or the Tories rebound and get more than that, as a whole bunch of people in the 20s is recipe for chaos (though Reform the biggest beneficiaries).
I'll believe he's on his way down when the 'traditional' parties are listened to again, which has not happened yet.
It might not happen until we see the incompetence of a Reform government. Even then, Reform need to be spectacularly incompetent to be worse than the current lot.
I can see Trump's gameplan now, he wants oil and gas disruption to be as possible, so that any recovery is timed to just before the midterms so people go 'Ah, it has dropped 25% in the last two weeks, thank you President Donald J Trump Thank you for your attention to this matter' (it's his full name), rather than focus on how much it had gone up before then.
Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.
Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
Indeed. Being on 27% his prospects entirely depend on whether Labour or the Tories rebound and get more than that, as a whole bunch of people in the 20s is recipe for chaos (though Reform the biggest beneficiaries).
I'll believe he's on his way down when the 'traditional' parties are listened to again, which has not happened yet.
Kemi is getting a hearing.
Burnham may well too.
Tories could really use a Scottish by-election win to improve their narrative, to go along with the 'slow recovery/decent ratings for Kemi' narrative.
A leading Irish metals refinery is part of an international aluminium supply chain that appears to conclude with shipments to arms producers feeding the Kremlin’s war machine in Ukraine, leaked records and public data suggests.
Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.
Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
While it might happen, several factors make it unlikely. The starting point is that currently the bookies odds say that he probably won't get most seats, and more probably won't get a majority. It's a Grand National so there are several ways to go wrong.
Farage could run out of steam and desire to be PM. He knows perfectly well it will be problematic meeting the needs of both his voters and his wealthy supporters. he has good reasons to hand over the leadership. Another leader will not have his charisma.
The tactical voting train as a national thing has not yet started. It will be massive. 60%+ of voters don't want Reform. If the 60% centrists allow themselves to be beaten by a 27% insurgent it would be sub optimal. In Ireland even FG and FF got together to keep SF out. Such an understanding is not impossible. Even without that impossible concordat, the left of centre vote is around 50%. It is, in an emergency, organisable.
Reform will find itself, as it comes of age, with voter drift to the centre - Tories and Labour; and to the right - Restore and friends.
Reform could perhaps win an election framed as Reform v Labour Government. less likely to win one framed as Reform v Not Reform. The second is more probable.
She's still talking the same nonsense as Farage, just in slightly different language.
She comes across well and she's not whipping up hysteria, so points for that. Courage not rage is good wordplay. She's kinda trying to help... although saying Nowak's family don't want the matter politicised, so here's my political take on it doesn't quite work.
That all said, she starts going on about the evils of critical race theory and, yes, that is just made-up MAGA white greivance nonsense.
A leading Irish metals refinery is part of an international aluminium supply chain that appears to conclude with shipments to arms producers feeding the Kremlin’s war machine in Ukraine, leaked records and public data suggests.
What are the neutral Irish going to do when Ukraine blows it up?
Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.
Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
Trump got 49.4% of the vote.
However, the fact is that Farage got 14.4% and 5 seats at the last general election, and even if his vote has risen since then in the locals and in the polls, he barely has a quarter of the vote even now. The problem is not some massive Farage wave, it is an electoral system that might allow him to take power on such a very low percentage of the vote- it is the same problem that gave Starmer 411 seats on a bare third of the vote.
So much as I loath NF and his cronies, the fact is without electoral reform, the system can still give him the power.
Farage is heaping the tactical deck against him for a GE in 3 years time with every statement like this.
A leading Irish metals refinery is part of an international aluminium supply chain that appears to conclude with shipments to arms producers feeding the Kremlin’s war machine in Ukraine, leaked records and public data suggests.
What are the neutral Irish going to do when Ukraine blows it up?
Shame there is nobody in Ireland they could hire who knows how to blow things up.
Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.
Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
Indeed. Being on 27% his prospects entirely depend on whether Labour or the Tories rebound and get more than that, as a whole bunch of people in the 20s is recipe for chaos (though Reform the biggest beneficiaries).
I'll believe he's on his way down when the 'traditional' parties are listened to again, which has not happened yet.
Kemi is getting a hearing.
Burnham may well too.
Tories could really use a Scottish by-election win to improve their narrative, to go along with the 'slow recovery/decent ratings for Kemi' narrative.
I don't expect it.
Aberdeen South is a more urban constituency than the Aberdeen South and North Kincardine South Holyrood constituency that Stephen Flynn has decanted to. It’s less Conservative friendly - betting hint.
Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.
Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
Trump got 49.4% of the vote.
However, the fact is that Farage got 14.4% and 5 seats at the last general election, and even if his vote has risen since then in the locals and in the polls, he barely has a quarter of the vote even now. The problem is not some massive Farage wave, it is an electoral system that might allow him to take power on such a very low percentage of the vote- it is the same problem that gave Starmer 411 seats on a bare third of the vote.
So much as I loath NF and his cronies, the fact is without electoral reform, the system can still give him the power.
Farage is heaping the tactical deck against him for a GE in 3 years time with every statement like this.
Kemi is meanwhile playing the long game.
The hare and the tortoise.
As I like to occasionally recount, as according to wiki it is a rare variant rather than the main version as i was taught the tale, in some versions the tortoise won only through cheating (lookalikes along the way).
Nigel Farage says that last night's violent disorder in Southampton is 'just the beginning'
He tells @TimesRadio that 'the division will get far worse because 'large numbers of young white males think the police are prejudiced against them
'The division will get far worse. What you saw in Southampton last night is the beginning
'If we get large numbers of young white males who think the police are prejudiced against them, goodness knows where we go. This has to end'
Magnificently slithery. Farage predicts further mayhem, and explains how entirely understandable it all is on the basis of what other people (not him) think and concludes with 'this has to end' which he can assert in future means 'please don't riot, I called for it to stop' but really means 'the demands of mob must be met'.
The Tories can fight, or they can submit - Reform have laughed off the idea of the third option, of co-operate.
That she even dares to fight suggests she at least thinks it is an area where Reform are overstepping where the public are, but we shall see if that is right - the Tories are going to lose another by-election deposit where Reform come second, or win, so it won't be revealed as right in the short term.
As usual with Kemi a lot late, clearly scripted and insincere over 30 hours late and she'll no doubt contradict herself in the next few days
The fact he's lagging off her own 2022 Act overseen by Jenrick shows just how out of touch with reality the right are.
You keep reading how the US is significantly wealthier than the UK, and after spending 3 and half weeks over there in April/May I think I can confirm it's true because I don't remember seeing a single pothole, or at least a noticeable one, the whole time I was there, whereas you see them everywhere you go over here, including large ones that have been around for ages.
So...
Hard disagree.
I find US roads to be significantly less well maintained than UK ones. Some of this is environmental in nature: in many parts of the US there are massive temperature swings. In Denver, it can be 32 degrees celsius one day and then 32 degrees farenheit the next. The thermal expansion and contraction absolutely hammers road surfaces.
Here's an idea, any nonsense policing guidelines or rules introduced in response to BLM should be binned. BLM was American nonsense and has no bearing on policing in this country.
You keep reading how the US is significantly wealthier than the UK, and after spending 3 and half weeks over there in April/May I think I can confirm it's true because I don't remember seeing a single pothole, or at least a noticeable one, the whole time I was there, whereas you see them everywhere you go over here, including large ones that have been around for ages.
So...
Hard disagree.
I find US roads to be significantly less well maintained than UK ones. Some of this is environmental in nature: in many parts of the US there are massive temperature swings. In Denver, it can be 32 degrees celsius one day and then 32 degrees farenheit the next. The thermal expansion and contraction absolutely hammers road surfaces.
Americans also love big heavy vehicles way more than Europe.
Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.
Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
While it might happen, several factors make it unlikely. The starting point is that currently the bookies odds say that he probably won't get most seats, and more probably won't get a majority. It's a Grand National so there are several ways to go wrong.
Farage could run out of steam and desire to be PM. He knows perfectly well it will be problematic meeting the needs of both his voters and his wealthy supporters. he has good reasons to hand over the leadership. Another leader will not have his charisma.
The tactical voting train as a national thing has not yet started. It will be massive. 60%+ of voters don't want Reform. If the 60% centrists allow themselves to be beaten by a 27% insurgent it would be sub optimal. In Ireland even FG and FF got together to keep SF out. Such an understanding is not impossible. Even without that impossible concordat, the left of centre vote is around 50%. It is, in an emergency, organisable.
Reform will find itself, as it comes of age, with voter drift to the centre - Tories and Labour; and to the right - Restore and friends.
Reform could perhaps win an election framed as Reform v Labour Government. less likely to win one framed as Reform v Not Reform. The second is more probable.
Remember most of the media are batting for Reform. It will be Reform v Small Boats, murderers, woke and traitors that didn’t cheer England in 1966.
To be fair to Trump he was elected on a promise of large tariffs on imported goods, that would raise prices but was a gamble his voters took to try and increase domestic production and jobs. His Iran strikes though haven't helped, further pushing up oil prices especially
Here's an idea, any nonsense policing guidelines or rules introduced in response to BLM should be binned. BLM was American nonsense and has no bearing on policing in this country.
Some things in there might happen to also apply, despite the societal and policing situations being very different, so that should be checked, but as a good book once noted, This is not America.
Trump to attend NATO meeting in July "because there are some things here that need to be cleared up and fixed,”
Such as a large sum of money heading his way.
And some ostentatious fawning in the hope it placates him for a time. It will be an embarrassing cringefest as he lambasts them whilst they pretend it's all fine.
It just makes sense (nice mixing in of presumably local matters).
No, I'm afraid not.
We can all agree on the conscription of those who use speaker phones on public transport and the re-positioning of the hand dryer in the Gents at the Crown & Treaty is long overdue but I part company with the Count at no,14 the "Full Monty Bin Lid".
It's a timid, weak, unambitious policy - where's the fried bread and the mushrooms and what happened to the tinned tomatoes? If we're going to have a national breakfast dish, let's have a proper, national belly buster, one we can shout proudly to the world - I'm afraid the "Full Bin Lid" just doesn't cut the mustard or indeed the ketchup or the brown sauce.
Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/ Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.
(They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)
If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.
A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)
Wold they be allowed in the World Series or is that only for Americans?
Point of order: there are Canadian teams in Major League Baseball.
We came across this big rock (mountain) in the Dolomites, and Mr Dog kindly agreed to sit there so you could assess its size
Do more people recognise the breed in Europe?
Now and again someone comes up and recognises it straight away, and it’s always interesting to find out why, as they usually have some connection to a Pumi. Mostly, people either come up and ask, out of curiosity, or guess wrongly - in England the most common guess is Bedlington, right size and colour, completely different appearance. In Italy the most common wrong guess is Lagotto, the truffle-hunting dog, which is the right size and not dissimilar in appearance, but the wrong colour. When we went to Hungary, the home of the breed, in Budapest people kept coming up and recognising him, because they or family or friends apparently had one, but we didn’t actually see another Pumi the whole trip. I am passing through again in September so we will have another try. In Finland and Sweden - the other two countries with more than a handful, we got a bit more recognition but only met one other, in Sweden. Otherwise it’s just a few random meetings with other Pumis, such as when coming down a mountain in Alto Adige or visiting the DIY store in my home town.
Farage is a stinking, festering turd who needs to be flushed out of British politics. That's all.
Narrator: Farage is the leader of a party on 27% in the opinion polls, on track to become Prime Minister after the next general election.
Just as with Trump becoming President of the US, your disgust at this prospect will not be enough to prevent it from happening.
Indeed. Being on 27% his prospects entirely depend on whether Labour or the Tories rebound and get more than that, as a whole bunch of people in the 20s is recipe for chaos (though Reform the biggest beneficiaries).
I'll believe he's on his way down when the 'traditional' parties are listened to again, which has not happened yet.
Kemi is getting a hearing.
Burnham may well too.
Tories could really use a Scottish by-election win to improve their narrative, to go along with the 'slow recovery/decent ratings for Kemi' narrative.
I don't expect it.
Aberdeen South is a more urban constituency than the Aberdeen South and North Kincardine South Holyrood constituency that Stephen Flynn has decanted to. It’s less Conservative friendly - betting hint.
The 2 largely overlap though and even at the 2024 general election the Tory and Reform vote nearly tied the SNP vote and last month the Tory and Reform vote in the Holyrood seat was well ahead of the SNP vote
Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?
George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.
Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.
It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.
This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.
What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.
Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/ Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.
(They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)
If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.
A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)
Wold they be allowed in the World Series or is that only for Americans?
Point of order: there are Canadian teams in Major League Baseball.
I thought Canada had become a state of the US. That’s what Trump said would happen.
We came across this big rock (mountain) in the Dolomites, and Mr Dog kindly agreed to sit there so you could assess its size
We haven’t seen enough of Mr. Dog recently. Does he know he’s the PB officially endorsed dog?
He looks thrilled about it.
He’s nearly nine now, going on old age. The upside is that when I want a photo he knows the routine, sit still where he’s put for just a minute and then we will be on our way. The downside is that the sitting still does come with a very weary ‘haven’t we’ve done all this before?’ attitude, which is probably impossible to train away. I keep telling him that he could always run his own Instagram site, but of course his paws are too big for the keyboard, so he dictates and I type and post.
Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?
George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.
Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.
It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.
This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.
What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.
We don’t know that racial bias led the police to prioritise false claims in the Nowak case. People have rushed to assume that. They may have been showing a general bias to the person they (incorrectly) thought was the victim, ethnicity notwithstanding.
Trump to attend NATO meeting in July "because there are some things here that need to be cleared up and fixed,”
Such as a large sum of money heading his way.
It will give him the opportunity to state his case for the USA not being expelled from NATO.
Hopefully someone will explain that as we don't tell,let alone lecture America on how much it spends on defence why do they think it's okay to do it to us.
Nobody this side of the Atlantic told them to have a nuclear Triad, we get by okay with just Subs.
If they want to have a dozen aircraft carriers that's their choice but as or main adversary is literally just down the road from some of us, we really don't need to project force across the Pacific.
Oh and yes; China is a concern, but given it can no more project force to Europe than we can to China, not really our priority in the same way Russia seems not to be yours, even though it's attacking a US ally!
A leading Irish metals refinery is part of an international aluminium supply chain that appears to conclude with shipments to arms producers feeding the Kremlin’s war machine in Ukraine, leaked records and public data suggests.
The company is threatening the Irish government with cutting electricity supplies to the Irish grid and simultaneously claiming that sanctions would lead to the closure of the plant, and they the plant is vital for the European market (in which case European demand will keep it open).
It's a case study in the hypocrisy of the Irish government, and if its enduring influence in Brussels - despite claims by British Eurosceptics that Brussels steamrollers opposition from small countries, the Irish government have managed to maintain the exemption on alumina from sanctions packages, despite its vital role in military production.
Does anyone know if there was much Irish trade with Nazi Germany during WWII?
I can see Trump's gameplan now, he wants oil and gas disruption to be as possible, so that any recovery is timed to just before the midterms so people go 'Ah, it has dropped 25% in the last two weeks, thank you President Donald J Trump Thank you for your attention to this matter' (it's his full name), rather than focus on how much it had gone up before then.
I thought he was just trying to make wind and solar more competitive in the US.
Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/ Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.
(They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)
If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.
A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)
Wold they be allowed in the World Series or is that only for Americans?
Point of order: there are Canadian teams in Major League Baseball.
Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?
George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.
Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.
It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.
This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.
What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.
We don’t know that racial bias led the police to prioritise false claims in the Nowak case. People have rushed to assume that. They may have been showing a general bias to the person they (incorrectly) thought was the victim, ethnicity notwithstanding.
We do need them to explain their thought process though. 'We believed X, for non-racial reasons' is still no explanation for not checking for injury just in case.
Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?
George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.
Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.
It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.
This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.
What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.
The George Floyd case has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn't be linked to the UK in any way.
To be fair to Trump he was elected on a promise of large tariffs on imported goods, that would raise prices but was a gamble his voters took to try and increase domestic production and jobs. His Iran strikes though haven't helped, further pushing up oil prices especially
Eh ..not quite. I think I am pretty sure Trump insisted that prices would go down and it would be other Countries not America paying them. But then he also said that Mexico would pay for the wall and so far the bill is £15bn with mexico paying "0" Pesos towards it.
Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?
George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.
Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.
It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.
This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.
What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.
We don’t know that racial bias led the police to prioritise false claims in the Nowak case. People have rushed to assume that. They may have been showing a general bias to the person they (incorrectly) thought was the victim, ethnicity notwithstanding.
We do need them to explain their thought process though. 'We believed X, for non-racial reasons' is still no explanation for not checking for injury just in case.
Yes, whether victim or assailant the first priority should be assessing potentially fatal injuries. Though as the judge pointed out Novak's dark clothing meant the chest wound was not visible. Easy to miss in the dark on the ground.
To be fair to Trump he was elected on a promise of large tariffs on imported goods, that would raise prices but was a gamble his voters took to try and increase domestic production and jobs. His Iran strikes though haven't helped, further pushing up oil prices especially
Eh ..not quite. I think I am pretty sure Trump insisted that prices would go down and it would be other Countries not America paying them. But then he also said that Mexico would pay for the wall and so far the bill is £15bn with mexico paying "0" Pesos towards it.
Peter.
Thank you for signing off your posts, if you didn’t we would never know who was writing as the username gives zero clues.
Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?
George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.
Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.
It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.
This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.
What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.
We don’t know that racial bias led the police to prioritise false claims in the Nowak case. People have rushed to assume that. They may have been showing a general bias to the person they (incorrectly) thought was the victim, ethnicity notwithstanding.
We do need them to explain their thought process though. 'We believed X, for non-racial reasons' is still no explanation for not checking for injury just in case.
They clearly fucked up. There is an IOPC investigation into what happened, which will presumably have interviewed them. Radical right elements who want to push a white grievance message have decided the answer must be anti-racism policies and others are going along with that, but there’s no conclusive evidence of that.
Taking a step back, we should find out what happened and not make policy on the hoof to satisfy certain politicians pre-existing presumptions. (That investigation should consider the role of anti-racism policies, sure.)
You keep reading how the US is significantly wealthier than the UK, and after spending 3 and half weeks over there in April/May I think I can confirm it's true because I don't remember seeing a single pothole, or at least a noticeable one, the whole time I was there, whereas you see them everywhere you go over here, including large ones that have been around for ages.
So...
Hard disagree.
I find US roads to be significantly less well maintained than UK ones. Some of this is environmental in nature: in many parts of the US there are massive temperature swings. In Denver, it can be 32 degrees celsius one day and then 32 degrees farenheit the next. The thermal expansion and contraction absolutely hammers road surfaces.
Americans also love big heavy vehicles way more than Europe.
Do they change how they measure temprature depending on the day of teh week?
Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/ Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.
(They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)
If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.
A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)
To be fair, we have rather more people playing cricket than rioting over the summer.
You may be pleased to hear that cycling through Wythenshawe Park a couple of weeks back I saw a gane of baseball in progress. A proper one, on a proper baseball diamond with chain link fencing and benches and both teams in properr uniforms. It didn't have a crowd, but it mattered to the players. As a sport, it is almost as picturesque as cricket.
Of US sports baseball is far the best to play and watch.
I’ve been to precisely one baseball match (in Toronto). It was a 1-0 borefest. How anyone can prefer baseball over cricket is beyond me. With the pitch you have opportunities for the ball to deviate, bounce etc. And no gloves needed to catch the ball.
Extra bit: Insee you were talking only of US sports. I think Football is a decent watch even though they have gone insane with protective clothing.
Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?
George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.
Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.
It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.
This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.
What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.
We don’t know that racial bias led the police to prioritise false claims in the Nowak case. People have rushed to assume that. They may have been showing a general bias to the person they (incorrectly) thought was the victim, ethnicity notwithstanding.
Sure, but they were shit at their jobs whichever way you look at it.
George Floyd's killers could have also just been terrible at their jobs given how bad policing is in the US. I'm sure there's plenty of examples of white working class men killed in police custody there too.
Yes the US policing is inherently worse than it is here, hence the police actions were worse. But it's all relative to the accepted norm in each country.
Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/ Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.
(They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)
If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.
A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)
Wold they be allowed in the World Series or is that only for Americans?
Point of order: there are Canadian teams in Major League Baseball.
Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?
George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.
Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.
It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.
This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.
What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.
The George Floyd case has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn't be linked to the UK in any way.
BLM became an international cause very quickly because marginalised communities from Australia, to Europe to North America, even to Uganda and Nigeria recognised their own experience of heavy handed police brutality.
You may well think that it doesn't happen here, but endless police scandals exposing racism and misogyny have happened in the UK too.
To be fair to Trump he was elected on a promise of large tariffs on imported goods, that would raise prices but was a gamble his voters took to try and increase domestic production and jobs. His Iran strikes though haven't helped, further pushing up oil prices especially
Eh ..not quite. I think I am pretty sure Trump insisted that prices would go down and it would be other Countries not America paying them. But then he also said that Mexico would pay for the wall and so far the bill is £15bn with mexico paying "0" Pesos towards it.
Peter.
It's, it's almost as if he is a pathological liar.
Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?
George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.
Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.
It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.
This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.
What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.
The George Floyd case has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn't be linked to the UK in any way.
Do you apply this rule to other US political imports? Would you say that arguments over critical race theory have absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn’t be linked to the UK in any way, but Badenoch has linked them. Would you say that rabid evangelical anti-abortion opposition has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn’t be linked to the UK in any way, but Reform want to import that too.
There is no doubt that there was and is racism in the police in the UK. It was right to do something about that.
Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/ Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.
(They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)
If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.
A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)
Wold they be allowed in the World Series or is that only for Americans?
Point of order: there are Canadian teams in Major League Baseball.
Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/ Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.
(They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)
If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.
A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)
To be fair, we have rather more people playing cricket than rioting over the summer.
You may be pleased to hear that cycling through Wythenshawe Park a couple of weeks back I saw a gane of baseball in progress. A proper one, on a proper baseball diamond with chain link fencing and benches and both teams in properr uniforms. It didn't have a crowd, but it mattered to the players. As a sport, it is almost as picturesque as cricket.
Of US sports baseball is far the best to play and watch.
I’ve been to precisely one baseball match (in Toronto). It was a 1-0 borefest. How anyone can prefer baseball over cricket is beyond me. With the pitch you have opportunities for the ball to deviate, bounce etc. And no gloves needed to catch the ball.
Extra bit: Insee you were talking only of US sports. I think Football is a decent watch even though they have gone insane with protective clothing.
Baseball is boring.
There's literally only one shot... you take big frickin' swing at the ball. And sometimes you make contact. And someimes that contact means the ball is in play. And sometimes that means people get a chance to run around.
Still: there is one aspect which is good. And, which I didn't get until I went to a game, and that is the way that tension ramps up in an innings because each swing becomes incrementally more important. When the first guy comes out, and swings... well if it all goes well, he can get one run. But if the bases are stacked, and there are two people out, then suddenly it's really consequential: an out means no runs and the end of the innings. While a home run can bring in four runs.
Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?
George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.
Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.
It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.
This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.
What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.
The George Floyd case has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn't be linked to the UK in any way.
BLM became an international cause very quickly because marginalised communities from Australia, to Europe to North America, even to Uganda and Nigeria recognised their own experience of heavy handed police brutality.
You may well think that it doesn't happen here, but endless police scandals exposing racism and misogyny have happened in the UK too.
Scandals happen, but there seemed to be outright transplantation of US realities into UK rhetoric (like people being shot by police being common) rather than consideration of the specific British context.
If it shone a spotlight on UK experiences of race and policing, that's good. If it distracted from those experiences, that's bad, as it would just make it easier to dismiss.
A leading Irish metals refinery is part of an international aluminium supply chain that appears to conclude with shipments to arms producers feeding the Kremlin’s war machine in Ukraine, leaked records and public data suggests.
What are the neutral Irish going to do when Ukraine blows it up?
Given the armaments production that is happening for Ukraine across Europe I'd expect at least some of the Alumina from the plant ends up in weapons for Ukraine to use against Russia, as well as vice versa.
Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?
George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.
Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.
It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.
This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.
What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.
We don’t know that racial bias led the police to prioritise false claims in the Nowak case. People have rushed to assume that. They may have been showing a general bias to the person they (incorrectly) thought was the victim, ethnicity notwithstanding.
Sure, but they were shit at their jobs whichever way you look at it.
George Floyd's killers could have also just been terrible at their jobs given how bad policing is in the US. I'm sure there's plenty of examples of white working class men killed in police custody there too.
Yes the US policing is inherently worse than it is here, hence the police actions were worse. But it's all relative to the accepted norm in each country.
In the George Floyd case, the matter has been extensively investigated, including of course with a court trial of the police officer who killed him. There is no doubt that racism played a role in that case.
The US is not the UK, and the UK is not the US. One effect of that is that people in the UK don’t realise how deep racism in the US runs, and the full history of slavery and the Jim Crow period. George Floyd wasn’t a one-off case. His was the tip of an iceberg, the one that happened to be court on a cellphone video.
Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/ Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.
(They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)
If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.
A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)
To be fair, we have rather more people playing cricket than rioting over the summer.
You may be pleased to hear that cycling through Wythenshawe Park a couple of weeks back I saw a gane of baseball in progress. A proper one, on a proper baseball diamond with chain link fencing and benches and both teams in properr uniforms. It didn't have a crowd, but it mattered to the players. As a sport, it is almost as picturesque as cricket.
Of US sports baseball is far the best to play and watch.
I’ve been to precisely one baseball match (in Toronto). It was a 1-0 borefest. How anyone can prefer baseball over cricket is beyond me. With the pitch you have opportunities for the ball to deviate, bounce etc. And no gloves needed to catch the ball.
Extra bit: Insee you were talking only of US sports. I think Football is a decent watch even though they have gone insane with protective clothing.
Baseball is boring.
There's literally only one shot... you take big frickin' swing at the ball. And sometimes you make contact. And someimes that contact means the ball is in play. And sometimes that means people get a chance to run around.
Still: there is one aspect which is good. And, which I didn't get until I went to a game, and that is the way that tension ramps up in an innings because each swing becomes incrementally more important. When the first guy comes out, and swings... well if it all goes well, he can get one run. But if the bases are stacked, and there are two people out, then suddenly it's really consequential: an out means no runs and the end of the innings. While a home run can bring in four runs.
I was at school in the US for 5 years. Baseball is an exiting game to play, and little league baseball games very competitive.
It is also like soccer and basket ball in that minimal equipment is needed to play, and both pitch and number of players flexible when just mucking around.
Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/ Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.
(They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)
If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.
A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)
To be fair, we have rather more people playing cricket than rioting over the summer.
You may be pleased to hear that cycling through Wythenshawe Park a couple of weeks back I saw a gane of baseball in progress. A proper one, on a proper baseball diamond with chain link fencing and benches and both teams in properr uniforms. It didn't have a crowd, but it mattered to the players. As a sport, it is almost as picturesque as cricket.
Of US sports baseball is far the best to play and watch.
I’ve been to precisely one baseball match (in Toronto). It was a 1-0 borefest. How anyone can prefer baseball over cricket is beyond me. With the pitch you have opportunities for the ball to deviate, bounce etc. And no gloves needed to catch the ball.
Extra bit: Insee you were talking only of US sports. I think Football is a decent watch even though they have gone insane with protective clothing.
Baseball is boring.
There's literally only one shot... you take big frickin' swing at the ball. And sometimes you make contact. And someimes that contact means the ball is in play. And sometimes that means people get a chance to run around.
Still: there is one aspect which is good. And, which I didn't get until I went to a game, and that is the way that tension ramps up in an innings because each swing becomes incrementally more important. When the first guy comes out, and swings... well if it all goes well, he can get one run. But if the bases are stacked, and there are two people out, then suddenly it's really consequential: an out means no runs and the end of the innings. While a home run can bring in four runs.
Doesn't come close to Cricket though, which is incredibly simple to understand.
You have two sides, one out in the field and one in.
Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out.
When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side thats been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out.
Sometimes you get men still in and not out.
When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in.
There are two men called umpires who stay out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out.
When both sides have been in and all the men have got out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game!
Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?
George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.
Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.
It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.
This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.
What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.
The George Floyd case has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn't be linked to the UK in any way.
Do you apply this rule to other US political imports? Would you say that arguments over critical race theory have absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn’t be linked to the UK in any way, but Badenoch has linked them. Would you say that rabid evangelical anti-abortion opposition has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn’t be linked to the UK in any way, but Reform want to import that too.
There is no doubt that there was and is racism in the police in the UK. It was right to do something about that.
Shite post even by your standards. If critical race theory is influencing decisions in the UK, it can be debated in the UK. If we have abortions in the UK and Government sets the legal limits to them, we have a free debate about what those limits should be. To base decisions on UK policing, which is nothing like US policing, on an event that happened in the USA, is utterly indefensible, and shame on you for trying.
Our son in Vancouver has just text to say he and his wife have world cup tickets for NZ v Egypt and Canada v Switzerland in their world cup draw at 600$ per ticket
They hope to see Mo Salah for Egypt
As they live in Vancouver they have no other costs in attending the matches
Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/ Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.
(They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)
If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.
A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)
To be fair, we have rather more people playing cricket than rioting over the summer.
You may be pleased to hear that cycling through Wythenshawe Park a couple of weeks back I saw a gane of baseball in progress. A proper one, on a proper baseball diamond with chain link fencing and benches and both teams in properr uniforms. It didn't have a crowd, but it mattered to the players. As a sport, it is almost as picturesque as cricket.
Of US sports baseball is far the best to play and watch.
I’ve been to precisely one baseball match (in Toronto). It was a 1-0 borefest. How anyone can prefer baseball over cricket is beyond me. With the pitch you have opportunities for the ball to deviate, bounce etc. And no gloves needed to catch the ball.
Extra bit: Insee you were talking only of US sports. I think Football is a decent watch even though they have gone insane with protective clothing.
Baseball is boring.
There's literally only one shot... you take big frickin' swing at the ball. And sometimes you make contact. And someimes that contact means the ball is in play. And sometimes that means people get a chance to run around.
Still: there is one aspect which is good. And, which I didn't get until I went to a game, and that is the way that tension ramps up in an innings because each swing becomes incrementally more important. When the first guy comes out, and swings... well if it all goes well, he can get one run. But if the bases are stacked, and there are two people out, then suddenly it's really consequential: an out means no runs and the end of the innings. While a home run can bring in four runs.
I was at school in the US for 5 years. Baseball is an exiting game to play, and little league baseball games very competitive.
It is also like soccer and basket ball in that minimal equipment is needed to play, and both pitch and number of players flexible when just mucking around.
Baseball bats can run upwards of 400 dollars at the top end, and even 200 being normal, but there are at least oodles of cheaper options which really aren't much worse (or any worse, at kids level).
I've been viewing a lot of baseball bat content recently.
To be fair to Trump he was elected on a promise of large tariffs on imported goods, that would raise prices but was a gamble his voters took to try and increase domestic production and jobs. His Iran strikes though haven't helped, further pushing up oil prices especially
Eh ..not quite. I think I am pretty sure Trump insisted that prices would go down and it would be other Countries not America paying them. But then he also said that Mexico would pay for the wall and so far the bill is £15bn with mexico paying "0" Pesos towards it.
Peter.
If American consumers switched to US made products in theory but little evidence it has happened yet
Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?
George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.
Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.
It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.
This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.
What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.
The George Floyd case has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn't be linked to the UK in any way.
BLM became an international cause very quickly because marginalised communities from Australia, to Europe to North America, even to Uganda and Nigeria recognised their own experience of heavy handed police brutality.
You may well think that it doesn't happen here, but endless police scandals exposing racism and misogyny have happened in the UK too.
Scandals happen, but there seemed to be outright transplantation of US realities into UK rhetoric (like people being shot by police being common) rather than consideration of the specific British context.
If it shone a spotlight on UK experiences of race and policing, that's good. If it distracted from those experiences, that's bad, as it would just make it easier to dismiss.
Floyd wasn't shot, he was a death in custody by asphyxiation.
There were 17 deaths in police custody last year, 9 of them following physical force by the police. 15/17 were white. So it isn't a very rare event.
It's now clear Badenoch has decided Farage meant what he said all along when he talked about destroying the Conservative Party and has decided to fight back.
Her words are fine - I'm sure they would have been echoed by all sensible politicians and they would have been as lauded for them as she seems to be by her devotees.
Rhetoric often crashes into reality - I am frequently told by Mrs Stodge how overworked and under pressure Police resources are in East London and the problem, bluntly, is they cannot recruit. They simply cannot get enough new officers to bulk up the establishment.
Overworked and under pressure officers make mistakes as everyone does in all fields when times are tough and there are gaps whether it be Police, social workers or whatever.
Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?
George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.
Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.
It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.
This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.
What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.
We don’t know that racial bias led the police to prioritise false claims in the Nowak case. People have rushed to assume that. They may have been showing a general bias to the person they (incorrectly) thought was the victim, ethnicity notwithstanding.
Sure, but they were shit at their jobs whichever way you look at it.
George Floyd's killers could have also just been terrible at their jobs given how bad policing is in the US. I'm sure there's plenty of examples of white working class men killed in police custody there too.
Yes the US policing is inherently worse than it is here, hence the police actions were worse. But it's all relative to the accepted norm in each country.
We should be wary about the police using anti-racism policies as an excuse in this instance to distract from simple incompetence.
Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?
George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.
Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.
It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.
This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.
What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.
We don’t know that racial bias led the police to prioritise false claims in the Nowak case. People have rushed to assume that. They may have been showing a general bias to the person they (incorrectly) thought was the victim, ethnicity notwithstanding.
Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?
George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.
Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.
It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.
This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.
What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.
The George Floyd case has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn't be linked to the UK in any way.
BLM became an international cause very quickly because marginalised communities from Australia, to Europe to North America, even to Uganda and Nigeria recognised their own experience of heavy handed police brutality.
You may well think that it doesn't happen here, but endless police scandals exposing racism and misogyny have happened in the UK too.
By the time BLM came around, the implementation of the Macpherson Report, with several deeply damaging recommendations, such as the fact that any incident reported as racist had to be recorded as such regardless of the facts of the case, had already happened. This was post-booming bangs scandal ffs. BLM pulled the UK police (very willingly it must be said) further in a wrong direction, based on an event that was completely alien and unrelated to the real problems of UK policing.
Taking a step back from the division of BLM versus what happened in Southampton, can we perhaps step back and consider that both sides agree far more than not?
George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.
Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.
It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.
This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.
What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.
The George Floyd case has absolutely nothing to do with the UK and shouldn't be linked to the UK in any way.
BLM became an international cause very quickly because marginalised communities from Australia, to Europe to North America, even to Uganda and Nigeria recognised their own experience of heavy handed police brutality.
You may well think that it doesn't happen here, but endless police scandals exposing racism and misogyny have happened in the UK too.
Scandals happen, but there seemed to be outright transplantation of US realities into UK rhetoric (like people being shot by police being common) rather than consideration of the specific British context.
If it shone a spotlight on UK experiences of race and policing, that's good. If it distracted from those experiences, that's bad, as it would just make it easier to dismiss.
Floyd wasn't shot, he was a death in custody by asphyxiation.
There were 17 deaths in police custody last year, 9 of them following physical force by the police. 15/17 were white. So it isn't a very rare event.
I know he wasn't shot, it was an example of where some people would as part of the wider movement talk about issues like common shootings of black men which do not apply in the same way here, as if the same US context was in place.
There are lessons which can apply in both, but many issues are not universal so we shouldn't over emphasise the US, I don't think that is controversial.
Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/ Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.
(They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)
If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.
A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)
Wold they be allowed in the World Series or is that only for Americans?
Point of order: there are Canadian teams in Major League Baseball.
Turbotubbs asked: "Wold they be allowed in the World Series or is that only for Americans?" No, the World Series is limited to major league teams -- but one of them is in Toronto: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Blue_Jays
Two unrelated remarks: First, I'd like to see three more Canadian teams in our major leagues; Vancouver and Montreal are obvious choices, and I would include one from the prairies.
Second, baseball was a key to our civil rights progress; if you don't know the story of Jackie Robinson, take a few minutes to read about him:
Born in Cairo, Georgia, Robinson was raised in Pasadena, California. A four-sport student athlete at Pasadena Junior College and the University of California, Los Angeles, he was better known for football than he was for baseball, becoming a star with the UCLA Bruins football team. Following his college career, Robinson was drafted for service during World War II, but was court-martialed for refusing to sit at the back of a segregated Army bus, eventually being honorably discharged. Afterwards, he signed with the Kansas City Monarchs of the Negro leagues, where he caught the eye of Branch Rickey, general manager of the Brooklyn Dodgers, who thought he would be the perfect candidate for breaking the MLB color line.
A number of officers in the force responsible for the arrest of Henry Nowak felt “controlled and pressured to feel certain ways” after receiving mandatory diversity training, a survey has revealed
Off topic: But I think a few here might find this a pleasant break: Seattle has a cricket team: https://www.seattleorcas.com/ Something I learned quite recently, when they got some TV coverage.
(They chose an interesting name. In this area, Orcas are worshiped by many -- and I am serious when I say "worshipped".)
If you will excuse me for making a small suggestion: You would be better off, I think, if you had more men playing cricket, and fewer rioting.
A second small suggestion: London really needs a Triple A baseball club. (And, of course, do Paris, Berlin, Warsaw, and Rome. To start with)
To be fair, we have rather more people playing cricket than rioting over the summer.
You may be pleased to hear that cycling through Wythenshawe Park a couple of weeks back I saw a gane of baseball in progress. A proper one, on a proper baseball diamond with chain link fencing and benches and both teams in properr uniforms. It didn't have a crowd, but it mattered to the players. As a sport, it is almost as picturesque as cricket.
Of US sports baseball is far the best to play and watch.
I’ve been to precisely one baseball match (in Toronto). It was a 1-0 borefest. How anyone can prefer baseball over cricket is beyond me. With the pitch you have opportunities for the ball to deviate, bounce etc. And no gloves needed to catch the ball.
Extra bit: Insee you were talking only of US sports. I think Football is a decent watch even though they have gone insane with protective clothing.
Baseball is boring.
There's literally only one shot... you take big frickin' swing at the ball. And sometimes you make contact. And someimes that contact means the ball is in play. And sometimes that means people get a chance to run around.
Still: there is one aspect which is good. And, which I didn't get until I went to a game, and that is the way that tension ramps up in an innings because each swing becomes incrementally more important. When the first guy comes out, and swings... well if it all goes well, he can get one run. But if the bases are stacked, and there are two people out, then suddenly it's really consequential: an out means no runs and the end of the innings. While a home run can bring in four runs.
I was at school in the US for 5 years. Baseball is an exiting game to play, and little league baseball games very competitive.
It is also like soccer and basket ball in that minimal equipment is needed to play, and both pitch and number of players flexible when just mucking around.
Which is why it took over from cricket during the Civil War. Minimal equipment, fewer players and no need for a prepared pitch. Or even flat ground.
It's now clear Badenoch has decided Farage meant what he said all along when he talked about destroying the Conservative Party and has decided to fight back.
Her words are fine - I'm sure they would have been echoed by all sensible politicians and they would have been as lauded for them as she seems to be by her devotees.
Rhetoric often crashes into reality - I am frequently told by Mrs Stodge how overworked and under pressure Police resources are in East London and the problem, bluntly, is they cannot recruit. They simply cannot get enough new officers to bulk up the establishment.
Overworked and under pressure officers make mistakes as everyone does in all fields when times are tough and there are gaps whether it be Police, social workers or whatever.
Yes, I think your last paragraph is spot on. Same goes for troops in combat zones or other emergency services. Split second decisions often have to be made when there is uncertain or incomplete information.
Mistakes will be made, but it all looks so obvious months or years later in a court of law with unlimited time, expert opinion and when outcomes are known.
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(There are other board members, and the guy who is now chair might well genuinely believe in being independent and feel, despite in general agreeing with Trump, that now is not the time.)
However, the fact is that Farage got 14.4% and 5 seats at the last general election, and even if his vote has risen since then in the locals and in the polls, he barely has a quarter of the vote even now. The problem is not some massive Farage wave, it is an electoral system that might allow him to take power on such a very low percentage of the vote- it is the same problem that gave Starmer 411 seats on a bare third of the vote.
So much as I loath NF and his cronies, the fact is without electoral reform, the system can still give him the power.
I don't expect it.
https://x.com/CaolanReports/status/2061975104066596893
Every sign at this refinery in Ireland is in russian. The official website is a .RU domain.
There’s no reason to hide it because local politicians are openly doing it for them.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/24/irish-metals-refinery-is-in-supply-chain-that-feeds-russian-war-machine-records-suggest
A leading Irish metals refinery is part of an international aluminium supply chain that appears to conclude with shipments to arms producers feeding the Kremlin’s war machine in Ukraine, leaked records and public data suggests.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lloyds-bank-halifax-down-live-37242305
The cashless society.
Farage could run out of steam and desire to be PM. He knows perfectly well it will be problematic meeting the needs of both his voters and his wealthy supporters. he has good reasons to hand over the leadership. Another leader will not have his charisma.
The tactical voting train as a national thing has not yet started. It will be massive. 60%+ of voters don't want Reform. If the 60% centrists allow themselves to be beaten by a 27% insurgent it would be sub optimal. In Ireland even FG and FF got together to keep SF out. Such an understanding is not impossible. Even without that impossible concordat, the left of centre vote is around 50%. It is, in an emergency, organisable.
Reform will find itself, as it comes of age, with voter drift to the centre - Tories and Labour; and to the right - Restore and friends.
Reform could perhaps win an election framed as Reform v Labour Government. less likely to win one framed as Reform v Not Reform. The second is more probable.
Kemi is meanwhile playing the long game.
The hare and the tortoise.
Snake.
The fact he's lagging off her own 2022 Act overseen by Jenrick shows just how out of touch with reality the right are.
Hard disagree.
I find US roads to be significantly less well maintained than UK ones. Some of this is environmental in nature: in many parts of the US there are massive temperature swings. In Denver, it can be 32 degrees celsius one day and then 32 degrees farenheit the next. The thermal expansion and contraction absolutely hammers road surfaces.
Such as a large sum of money heading his way.
We can all agree on the conscription of those who use speaker phones on public transport and the re-positioning of the hand dryer in the Gents at the Crown & Treaty is long overdue but I part company with the Count at no,14 the "Full Monty Bin Lid".
https://www.gallowaysbakers.co.uk/offers/74/we-serve-breakfast-every-morning
It's a timid, weak, unambitious policy - where's the fried bread and the mushrooms and what happened to the tinned tomatoes? If we're going to have a national breakfast dish, let's have a proper, national belly buster, one we can shout proudly to the world - I'm afraid the "Full Bin Lid" just doesn't cut the mustard or indeed the ketchup or the brown sauce.
George Floyd was killed by racist policemen in the US.
Henry Nowak was attacked and police let racial bias (aka racism) lead them to prioritising false claims being made over the opportunity to save him. They failed him.
It is right in both cases than police discriminatory policies are reviewed and fixed, whether that is racism against black or white people.
This shouldn't be political controversial, speaking as a liberal who agrees completely with Badenoch in her statement.
What we need politicians to fix any issues and avoid is inciting the mob following such tragedies.
Assuming he still reads here.
Anushka Asthana.
All the good ones are leaving the BBC in droves as the stations become emasculated but it's good to see Ch 4 is still able to find new talent
Nobody this side of the Atlantic told them to have a nuclear Triad, we get by okay with just Subs.
If they want to have a dozen aircraft carriers that's their choice but as or main adversary is literally just down the road from some of us, we really don't need to project force across the Pacific.
Oh and yes; China is a concern, but given it can no more project force to Europe than we can to China, not really our priority in the same way Russia seems not to be yours, even though it's attacking a US ally!
Peter.
The company is threatening the Irish government with cutting electricity supplies to the Irish grid and simultaneously claiming that sanctions would lead to the closure of the plant, and they the plant is vital for the European market (in which case European demand will keep it open).
It's a case study in the hypocrisy of the Irish government, and if its enduring influence in Brussels - despite claims by British Eurosceptics that Brussels steamrollers opposition from small countries, the Irish government have managed to maintain the exemption on alumina from sanctions packages, despite its vital role in military production.
Does anyone know if there was much Irish trade with Nazi Germany during WWII?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Blue_Jays
Peter.
Taking a step back, we should find out what happened and not make policy on the hoof to satisfy certain politicians pre-existing presumptions. (That investigation should consider the role of anti-racism policies, sure.)
George Floyd's killers could have also just been terrible at their jobs given how bad policing is in the US. I'm sure there's plenty of examples of white working class men killed in police custody there too.
Yes the US policing is inherently worse than it is here, hence the police actions were worse. But it's all relative to the accepted norm in each country.
You may well think that it doesn't happen here, but endless police scandals exposing racism and misogyny have happened in the UK too.
There is no doubt that there was and is racism in the police in the UK. It was right to do something about that.
There's literally only one shot... you take big frickin' swing at the ball. And sometimes you make contact. And someimes that contact means the ball is in play. And sometimes that means people get a chance to run around.
Still: there is one aspect which is good. And, which I didn't get until I went to a game, and that is the way that tension ramps up in an innings because each swing becomes incrementally more important. When the first guy comes out, and swings... well if it all goes well, he can get one run. But if the bases are stacked, and there are two people out, then suddenly it's really consequential: an out means no runs and the end of the innings. While a home run can bring in four runs.
If it shone a spotlight on UK experiences of race and policing, that's good. If it distracted from those experiences, that's bad, as it would just make it easier to dismiss.
The US is not the UK, and the UK is not the US. One effect of that is that people in the UK don’t realise how deep racism in the US runs, and the full history of slavery and the Jim Crow period. George Floyd wasn’t a one-off case. His was the tip of an iceberg, the one that happened to be court on a cellphone video.
It is also like soccer and basket ball in that minimal equipment is needed to play, and both pitch and number of players flexible when just mucking around.
You have two sides, one out in the field and one in.
Each man that's in the side that's in goes out, and when he's out he comes in and the next man goes in until he's out.
When they are all out, the side that's out comes in and the side thats been in goes out and tries to get those coming in, out.
Sometimes you get men still in and not out.
When a man goes out to go in, the men who are out try to get him out, and when he is out he goes in and the next man in goes out and goes in.
There are two men called umpires who stay out all the time and they decide when the men who are in are out.
When both sides have been in and all the men have got out, and both sides have been out twice after all the men have been in, including those who are not out, that is the end of the game!
They hope to see Mo Salah for Egypt
As they live in Vancouver they have no other costs in attending the matches
I've been viewing a lot of baseball bat content recently.
There were 17 deaths in police custody last year, 9 of them following physical force by the police. 15/17 were white. So it isn't a very rare event.
https://www.policeconduct.gov.uk/news/iopc-publishes-figures-deaths-during-or-following-police-contact-202425
It's now clear Badenoch has decided Farage meant what he said all along when he talked about destroying the Conservative Party and has decided to fight back.
Her words are fine - I'm sure they would have been echoed by all sensible politicians and they would have been as lauded for them as she seems to be by her devotees.
Rhetoric often crashes into reality - I am frequently told by Mrs Stodge how overworked and under pressure Police resources are in East London and the problem, bluntly, is they cannot recruit. They simply cannot get enough new officers to bulk up the establishment.
Overworked and under pressure officers make mistakes as everyone does in all fields when times are tough and there are gaps whether it be Police, social workers or whatever.
Jack Straw: Police anti-racism guidelines have gone too far
There are lessons which can apply in both, but many issues are not universal so we shouldn't over emphasise the US, I don't think that is controversial.
Two unrelated remarks: First, I'd like to see three more Canadian teams in our major leagues; Vancouver and Montreal are obvious choices, and I would include one from the prairies.
Second, baseball was a key to our civil rights progress; if you don't know the story of Jackie Robinson, take a few minutes to read about him:
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A number of officers in the force responsible for the arrest of Henry Nowak felt “controlled and pressured to feel certain ways” after receiving mandatory diversity training, a survey has revealed
Minimal equipment, fewer players and no need for a prepared pitch. Or even flat ground.
Mistakes will be made, but it all looks so obvious months or years later in a court of law with unlimited time, expert opinion and when outcomes are known.