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  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,245
    dixiedean said:

    Myers Briggs (WANK)

    Pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo.

    Many of us in business have found it extremely useful in putting together and managing balanced teams.

    It helps individuals realise that other people think and behave in a different but equally valid way from them.

    It is based upon the theory of psychological types proposed by Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung in his 1921 book, Psychological Types.

    However my wife had the same reaction to it as you.
    She hated being categorised.
    That's OK and understandable.
  • eekeek Posts: 34,568
    To show how quickly it’s possible for batteries to change electricity consumption here is a chart for electricity energy source in Australia for April 2025 and 2026


  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,720
    viewcode said:

    A new report by Pensions UK about pension provision

    minimum retirement lifestyle (82% of the working population are predicted to hit this)

    • £13,900pa for a one-person household
    • £22,500pa for a two-person household
    moderate retirement lifestyle (23% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £32,700pa for a one-person household
    • £45,400pa for a two-person household
    comfortable retirement lifestyle (9% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £45,400pa for a one-person household
    • £62,700pa for a two-person household
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3928m30v89o

    (narrator: viewcode is on course to get the minimum when state retirement pension is taken into account, but not before.)
    Interesting but does it distinguish between pensioners who own their home mortgage free and those paying rent as it could make quite a difference ?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,318
    edited June 3
    viewcode said:

    A new report by Pensions UK about pension provision

    minimum retirement lifestyle (82% of the working population are predicted to hit this)

    • £13,900pa for a one-person household
    • £22,500pa for a two-person household
    moderate retirement lifestyle (23% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £32,700pa for a one-person household
    • £45,400pa for a two-person household
    comfortable retirement lifestyle (9% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £45,400pa for a one-person household
    • £62,700pa for a two-person household
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3928m30v89o

    (narrator: viewcode is on course to get the minimum when state retirement pension is taken into account, but not before.)
    Surely that depends massively on whether you own your own property or not?

    I suspect they are also just measuring pensions, when nowadays ISA and for some BTL are equally significant savings methods.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,344
    edited June 3
    dixiedean said:

    Site has been perfectly fine for me on my mobile. Can load desktop version no problem too. Bit of a mystery.

    Current mobile site


  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 57,533
    Nigelb said:
    I am sure we can all agree on the first one.
  • PJHPJH Posts: 1,170
    dixiedean said:

    Site has been perfectly fine for me on my mobile. Can load desktop version no problem too. Bit of a mystery.

    Me too. It usually works fine on my laptop (both main site and vanilla). It's more likely randomly to fail to work on my mobile (sometimes comments won't display on main site, or vanilla not at all) but actually for the past month or so has been more consistent than usual!

    It might be something to do with network, because there have been days when it wouldn't connect via the mobile network but was OK on wifi. Or vice versa.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,930
    Barnesian said:

    dixiedean said:

    Myers Briggs (WANK)

    Pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo.

    Many of us in business have found it extremely useful in putting together and managing balanced teams.

    It helps individuals realise that other people think and behave in a different but equally valid way from them.

    It is based upon the theory of psychological types proposed by Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung in his 1921 book, Psychological Types.

    However my wife had the same reaction to it as you.
    She hated being categorised.
    That's OK and understandable.
    Belbin has at least some research to back up its validity.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,245

    Barnesian said:

    In Myers Briggs terms:

    I see Starmer as The Inspector ISTJ.
    He is a detail-oriented, pragmatic problem-solver who values hard data, precedents, and evidence over lofty, abstract grand visions. He approaches issues through the lens of incremental, concrete adjustments rather than ideological theories. His decision-making framework is analytical, highly objective, and clinical. He values rules, frameworks, and process, earning him a reputation as a "technocrat" who focuses on competence rather than emotional rhetoric.

    I see Blair as The Inspiring Communicator ENFJ.
    He possesses powerful charisma and his communication style relies heavily on metaphors, overarching vision, and emotional persuasion. His problem is that many think he has been captured by wealthy powerful players and now distrust him.

    I see Burnham as The Consul ESFJ.
    He shows deep empathy, approachable warmth, and a strong sense of community loyalty. Unlike Blair's grand abstract concepts, Burnham focuses on tangible, practical realities affecting everyday people, such as localised public transport (the Bee Network) and local social care.
    However he has the ability to craft a passion-driven alternative political narrative for the "North," demonstrating a broader regional vision which may be transferable to the whole nation.

    Bottom line: Burnham might turn out to be another Blair - but without the baggage - and with more attention to detail, (but not as limited by process as Starmer).

    I did Myers Briggs twice. Got ISTJ twice. Second time out I did question this as pretty much the entire commercial department ended up as ISTJ which was obviously not true when you looked at us. So I take much of this profiling bollocks as a useful tool for consultants wanting to extract cash from big businesses but otherwise of little value.
    A department of Inspectors, of Keir Starmers! It has been known.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,652
    Sandpit said:

    One wonders what these men would have been doing before social media ruined the planet

    Probably going to watch Millwall and West Ham, among other teams.
    The real cultural change came in the early nineties when everyone, of that generation, became loved up on drugs and acid house crap/raves.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,318
    Barnesian said:

    dixiedean said:

    Myers Briggs (WANK)

    Pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo.

    Many of us in business have found it extremely useful in putting together and managing balanced teams.

    It helps individuals realise that other people think and behave in a different but equally valid way from them.

    It is based upon the theory of psychological types proposed by Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung in his 1921 book, Psychological Types.

    However my wife had the same reaction to it as you.
    She hated being categorised.
    That's OK and understandable.
    She is not alone, let her know I'm in her category too......
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,689

    viewcode said:

    A new report by Pensions UK about pension provision

    minimum retirement lifestyle (82% of the working population are predicted to hit this)

    • £13,900pa for a one-person household
    • £22,500pa for a two-person household
    moderate retirement lifestyle (23% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £32,700pa for a one-person household
    • £45,400pa for a two-person household
    comfortable retirement lifestyle (9% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £45,400pa for a one-person household
    • £62,700pa for a two-person household
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3928m30v89o

    (narrator: viewcode is on course to get the minimum when state retirement pension is taken into account, but not before.)
    Interesting but does it distinguish between pensioners who own their home mortgage free and those paying rent as it could make quite a difference ?
    Precisely. Only some of those tiers would be eligible for housing benefit.

    Plus, the jump from minimum to moderate is too large, and clearly intended just for publicity/nudge purposes.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,652
    Roger said:

    I don't know whether anyone remembers 'The Paulsgrove Estate'? It became famous for the ignorance of what was thought to be an underclass in the UK. In a small way it contributed to the ending of The News of the World and other horseshit produced by the Murdoch Stables .......

    It was a time of vigilantism......

    There was a paedophile story which had been ramped up by the News of the World which culminated in an army of pitchfork carriers daubing an innocent persons house with the word PAEDO. They had heard it was owned by a paediatrician.

    The owner had to move house and for several years afterwards 'The Paulsgrove Estate ' became a byword for the most ignorant of the ignorant. As a country we became a laughing stock. Even during a housing shortage no one wanted to live on the Paulsgrove Estate...


    And the bad news is thanks to Farage and his followers that's where we are heading for again.

    Paulsgrove was Portsmouth.

    Deadly rivals of Soton.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,288

    Nigelb said:
    FFS1! Genius.
    Indeed.

    And Binface to be next years Eurovision entrant.

    Can't do worse can he?
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,419
    Taz said:

    Reassuring the bond markets going well

    ‘ Andy Burnham cancelled a call with hedge fund managers this week at short notice, in a stumbling start to the Labour leadership favourite’s efforts to reassure nervous City of London investors about his borrowing plans ft.trib.al/zb8P4xg’


    https://x.com/ft/status/2062098841487147385?s=61

    Did his minder do some due diligence gentle questioning and pull it?

    “I’ve driven four and a half hours to get here,” says Mobster 53. Do these people not have jobs?

    Take a wild guess.
    unqualified roofer or carpet fitter
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,877
    Nigelb said:
    I am with Binface on 3,4,6,7,10,11,12,15,17 and 19.

  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,604
    Taz said:

    scampi25 said:

    eek said:

    Interesting how yesterday morning our PB leftists thought that the Nowak murder was a non-issue.

    Only for the politicians and media to talk of little else the rest of the day.

    Perhaps the lesson being that out own little social bubbles are not necessarily representative of the country as a whole.

    Any evidence to back that up - everyone I remember has pointed out it’s a big problem
    Well we can start with this exchange:

    DougSeal said:

    Bodycam footage of the arrest of Henry Nowak has been released. It's extremely harrowing to watch.

    The difference between Starmer's lack of interest and his posturing obsession about George Floyd seems to have broken thorough.

    I've heard this contrast mentioned by three different people during the last few days.
    And I by none. Broken through is a relative concept it seems.
    It can be.

    The people I know being predominantly of northern wwc background rather than southern middle class leftists.

    Ever wondered why Labour is struggling so much with the first group ?

    A few echoes of Gordon Brown and Gillian Duffy - I remember there were middle class leftist PBers who were certain that it would be a vote winner for Labour. It wasn't among wwc voters.
    Or perhaps this one:
    kinabalu said:

    The likening of this case to George Floyd is just more of the usual.

    Der der der der ... der da.

    "And our next contestant. What's your name and occupation please?"

    "The online right. Internet pundit."

    "And your specialist subject?"

    "Ludicrously false equivalence."

    "Ok. Your two minutes on ludicrously false equivalence starts NOW."

    I don't know what point kinabalu is trying to make there (police behaviour?) but it feels desperate. If Henry Nowak was black the focus would very much be on comparisons with George Floyd and I doubt he would be claiming false equivalence.

    What he doesn't get is that most people aren't focused on politics. Their instincts are first and foremost humanistic not ideological. You see someone claiming they can't breathe being violently restrained by police and then dying. It's harrowing. The only people who don't feel similarly over both situations are racists for whom only black or white victims count.

    I should say some of those sympathetic to Henry don't like seeing him categorised alongside a violent criminal.
    You can't help but feel desperately sorry for Henry and his family for the mistakes the police made at the scene, although AIUI they didn't contribute to his death. Obviously the police were in a difficult situation where they were lied to initially, but it seems like it took them too long to figure out the reality of the situation. They have a difficult job though and it is inevitable that they will make mistakes. They are not infalible.
    Whether this is evidence of systemic anti white bias is a different question. I don't see how that question can be answered by looking at a single incident. Bias is only really evident across a pattern of behaviour. Does Hampshire police have a consistent pattern of discriminating against white people? I don't know the answer to that question but I think it is unlikely a priori. Discrimination against people who constitute the overwhelming majority of a population is generally rather rare, for obvious reasons.
    Incidentally, I think that Farage’s response to this, perhaps more than anything else, demonstrates he is unfit to govern this country. I would be genuinely fearful for our future if he were ever PM.
    As un understand it the Hampshire Police have a policy which discriminates in favour of minorities. They are in the process of reviewing it.
    Indeed they do.

    This is it

    https://x.com/iancharris/status/2062092994707148965?s=61
    I blame the Conservatives who have been in control of the Police and Crime Commissioner role for 10 years. And Reform want to welcome them into their party. If people aren't confused about culture wars, they will be.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,318
    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:
    I am with Binface on 3,4,6,7,10,11,12,15,17 and 19.

    What have you got against moving that damn hand drier?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,557
    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    One wonders what these men would have been doing before social media ruined the planet

    Probably going to watch Millwall and West Ham, among other teams.
    The real cultural change came in the early nineties when everyone, of that generation, became loved up on drugs and acid house crap/raves.
    Yep, I remember the police at the time only ever talking about drugs, drugs, drugs.

    What they mostly didn’t talk about, is how several thousand people could be at a rave for 12 hours and there to be almost no disturbances, just people having a good time.

    As The Shamen once sang, E’s are good.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 10,245
    dixiedean said:

    Barnesian said:

    dixiedean said:

    Myers Briggs (WANK)

    Pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo.

    Many of us in business have found it extremely useful in putting together and managing balanced teams.

    It helps individuals realise that other people think and behave in a different but equally valid way from them.

    It is based upon the theory of psychological types proposed by Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung in his 1921 book, Psychological Types.

    However my wife had the same reaction to it as you.
    She hated being categorised.
    That's OK and understandable.
    Belbin has at least some research to back up its validity.
    Belbin is useful too.
    I judge these techniques by their practical usefulness.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,958
    "The animals that could replace historical figures such as Winston Churchill on banknotes revealed"

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-06-03/animals-that-could-replace-figures-like-winston-churchill-on-banknotes-revealed
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,652
    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    One wonders what these men would have been doing before social media ruined the planet

    Probably going to watch Millwall and West Ham, among other teams.
    The real cultural change came in the early nineties when everyone, of that generation, became loved up on drugs and acid house crap/raves.
    Yep, I remember the police at the time only ever talking about drugs, drugs, drugs.

    What they mostly didn’t talk about, is how several thousand people could be at a rave for 12 hours and there to be almost no disturbances, just people having a good time.

    As The Shamen once sang, E’s are good.
    Anybody got any Vera’s ?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 40,958
    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    One wonders what these men would have been doing before social media ruined the planet

    Probably going to watch Millwall and West Ham, among other teams.
    The real cultural change came in the early nineties when everyone, of that generation, became loved up on drugs and acid house crap/raves.
    Yep, I remember the police at the time only ever talking about drugs, drugs, drugs.

    What they mostly didn’t talk about, is how several thousand people could be at a rave for 12 hours and there to be almost no disturbances, just people having a good time.

    As The Shamen once sang, E’s are good.
    So the fact it was against the law, for more than one reason, didn't matter. People could just decide to do what they wanted.
  • PJH said:

    dixiedean said:

    Site has been perfectly fine for me on my mobile. Can load desktop version no problem too. Bit of a mystery.

    Me too. It usually works fine on my laptop (both main site and vanilla). It's more likely randomly to fail to work on my mobile (sometimes comments won't display on main site, or vanilla not at all) but actually for the past month or so has been more consistent than usual!

    It might be something to do with network, because there have been days when it wouldn't connect via the mobile network but was OK on wifi. Or vice versa.
    Routing related I suspect, Hyperoptic and O2 have both displayed issues
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,439
    edited June 3
    Roger said:

    I don't know whether anyone remembers 'The Paulsgrove Estate'? It became famous for the ignorance of what was thought to be an underclass in the UK. In a small way it contributed to the ending of The News of the World and other horseshit produced by the Murdoch Stables .......

    It was a time of vigilantism......

    There was a paedophile story which had been ramped up by the News of the World which culminated in an army of pitchfork carriers daubing an innocent persons house with the word PAEDO. They had heard it was owned by a paediatrician.

    The owner had to move house and for several years afterwards 'The Paulsgrove Estate ' became a byword for the most ignorant of the ignorant. As a country we became a laughing stock. Even during a housing shortage no one wanted to live on the Paulsgrove Estate...


    And the bad news is thanks to Farage and his followers that's where we are heading for again.

    Part of the problem is people spreading fake stories that confirm their personal prejudices. On social media.

    Such as the story you just wrote.

    https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/a-tale-told-too-much-the-paediatrician-vigilantes/
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,930
    edited June 3
    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:
    I am with Binface on 3,4,6,7,10,11,12,15,17 and 19.

    Compulsory bin lid for breakfast and subsidised Wigan Kebab (pie barms) will cure our ageing demographic problem.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632

    Being 7% behind midterm isn't too bad.

    Both Government and the Opposition up a little in this week’s MiC voting intention as Reform lead Labour by 7

    ➡️ REF UK 29% (-1)
    🌹 LAB 22% (+2)
    🌳 CON 21% (+2)
    🔶 LIB DEM 12% (nc)
    🌍 GREEN 10% (-3)
    ❓OTH 2% (-1)
    🟡 SNP 2% (-1)


    https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/2062065038798577935

    The Green vote slide is marked in several polls - possibly due to the prospect of Burnham leadership.
    A Burnham Labour leadership is a potential disaster for Polanski, manageable but perhaps of a little concern to Farage and Davey and OK for Kemi as he enables clear blue water on economics between Labour and the Conservatives again
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,557
    Andy_JS said:

    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    One wonders what these men would have been doing before social media ruined the planet

    Probably going to watch Millwall and West Ham, among other teams.
    The real cultural change came in the early nineties when everyone, of that generation, became loved up on drugs and acid house crap/raves.
    Yep, I remember the police at the time only ever talking about drugs, drugs, drugs.

    What they mostly didn’t talk about, is how several thousand people could be at a rave for 12 hours and there to be almost no disturbances, just people having a good time.

    As The Shamen once sang, E’s are good.
    So the fact it was against the law, for more than one reason, didn't matter. People could just decide to do what they wanted.
    It mattered very much that drugs were illegal.

    My point was that there was a significant drop in public order issues in the early ‘90s, as a culture that led to a lot of young men socialising around football and drinking, was replaced with a culture of young men going to raves and taking pills. The pill-poppers didn’t get in fights with each other, unlike the football fans for whom it was often the highlight of their Saturday afternoon.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 2,013

    Barnesian said:

    dixiedean said:

    Myers Briggs (WANK)

    Pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo.

    Many of us in business have found it extremely useful in putting together and managing balanced teams.

    It helps individuals realise that other people think and behave in a different but equally valid way from them.

    It is based upon the theory of psychological types proposed by Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung in his 1921 book, Psychological Types.

    However my wife had the same reaction to it as you.
    She hated being categorised.
    That's OK and understandable.
    She is not alone, let her know I'm in her category too......
    Put me in too. That’s another person added to the set of people who can’t be categorised.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789
    Football hooliganism has been another massive stain on our international reputation.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    viewcode said:

    A new report by Pensions UK about pension provision

    minimum retirement lifestyle (82% of the working population are predicted to hit this)

    • £13,900pa for a one-person household
    • £22,500pa for a two-person household
    moderate retirement lifestyle (23% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £32,700pa for a one-person household
    • £45,400pa for a two-person household
    comfortable retirement lifestyle (9% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £45,400pa for a one-person household
    • £62,700pa for a two-person household
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3928m30v89o

    (narrator: viewcode is on course to get the minimum when state retirement pension is taken into account, but not before.)
    I fail to see why retired pensioners who may well have paid off the mortgage need nearly the average income for a working household even for a moderate retirement. The minimum looks about right
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,930
    Sandpit said:

    Andy_JS said:

    Sandpit said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    One wonders what these men would have been doing before social media ruined the planet

    Probably going to watch Millwall and West Ham, among other teams.
    The real cultural change came in the early nineties when everyone, of that generation, became loved up on drugs and acid house crap/raves.
    Yep, I remember the police at the time only ever talking about drugs, drugs, drugs.

    What they mostly didn’t talk about, is how several thousand people could be at a rave for 12 hours and there to be almost no disturbances, just people having a good time.

    As The Shamen once sang, E’s are good.
    So the fact it was against the law, for more than one reason, didn't matter. People could just decide to do what they wanted.
    It mattered very much that drugs were illegal.

    My point was that there was a significant drop in public order issues in the early ‘90s, as a culture that led to a lot of young men socialising around football and drinking, was replaced with a culture of young men going to raves and taking pills. The pill-poppers didn’t get in fights with each other, unlike the football fans for whom it was often the highlight of their Saturday afternoon.
    Going to the footy on, or coming down off pills changed that culture too.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,196
    A disappointing lack of Mackerfield constituency polls
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,557
    edited June 3

    PJH said:

    dixiedean said:

    Site has been perfectly fine for me on my mobile. Can load desktop version no problem too. Bit of a mystery.

    Me too. It usually works fine on my laptop (both main site and vanilla). It's more likely randomly to fail to work on my mobile (sometimes comments won't display on main site, or vanilla not at all) but actually for the past month or so has been more consistent than usual!

    It might be something to do with network, because there have been days when it wouldn't connect via the mobile network but was OK on wifi. Or vice versa.
    Routing related I suspect, Hyperoptic and O2 have both displayed issues
    It’s a network/DNS routing glitch on the Vanilla end. Sometimes gives a 404 when refreshing, refresh again and it works. It’s been the same for 6-8 weeks now. Possibly Cloudflare-related, as Vanilla is their customer.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    Taz said:

    Reassuring the bond markets going well

    ‘ Andy Burnham cancelled a call with hedge fund managers this week at short notice, in a stumbling start to the Labour leadership favourite’s efforts to reassure nervous City of London investors about his borrowing plans ft.trib.al/zb8P4xg’


    https://x.com/ft/status/2062098841487147385?s=61

    I think Burnham is more tax and spend than borrow unlike Truss who was cut tax but not spend and borrow
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,058

    Football hooliganism has been another massive stain on our international reputation.

    A long time ago now. Budapest was very peaceful last weekend (thankfully their idiots didn't fancy coughing up the money to riot in Budapest).
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,877
    edited June 3
    Barnesian said:

    In Myers Briggs terms:

    I see Starmer as The Inspector ISTJ.
    He is a detail-oriented, pragmatic problem-solver who values hard data, precedents, and evidence over lofty, abstract grand visions. He approaches issues through the lens of incremental, concrete adjustments rather than ideological theories. His decision-making framework is analytical, highly objective, and clinical. He values rules, frameworks, and process, earning him a reputation as a "technocrat" who focuses on competence rather than emotional rhetoric.

    I see Blair as The Inspiring Communicator ENFJ.
    He possesses powerful charisma and his communication style relies heavily on metaphors, overarching vision, and emotional persuasion. His problem is that many think he has been captured by wealthy powerful players and now distrust him.

    I see Burnham as The Consul ESFJ.
    He shows deep empathy, approachable warmth, and a strong sense of community loyalty. Unlike Blair's grand abstract concepts, Burnham focuses on tangible, practical realities affecting everyday people, such as localised public transport (the Bee Network) and local social care.
    However he has the ability to craft a passion-driven alternative political narrative for the "North," demonstrating a broader regional vision which may be transferable to the whole nation.

    Bottom line: Burnham might turn out to be another Blair - but without the baggage - and with more attention to detail, (but not as limited by process as Starmer).

    Despite appearances I think it's more likely that Starmer is ESTJ rather than ISTJ. The slightly bullying manner, the ability to blame everyone apart from himself and desire to attend Taylor Swift concerts separates him from most ISTJs.

    BTW, the fact that most people think all this MBTI stuff is nonsense gives an advantage to those who don't.

  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,419

    Be more South Korean Andrew Griffith says.

    State owned trains. On our way.

    Extremely expensive housing. Check.

    I think we already are

    I have been to South Korea and specifically Busan and it was an eye opener

    If you imagine the UK at its height of shipbuilding then you see all that and much more in Busan

    Sailing across the South China Sea we saw a huge ship with the bow section of a container ship being taken to Busan for assembly

    The whole place is amazing and shows what we have lost over decades
    They've got better potholes than us as well
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,930
    edited June 3
    HYUFD said:

    viewcode said:

    A new report by Pensions UK about pension provision

    minimum retirement lifestyle (82% of the working population are predicted to hit this)

    • £13,900pa for a one-person household
    • £22,500pa for a two-person household
    moderate retirement lifestyle (23% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £32,700pa for a one-person household
    • £45,400pa for a two-person household
    comfortable retirement lifestyle (9% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £45,400pa for a one-person household
    • £62,700pa for a two-person household
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3928m30v89o

    (narrator: viewcode is on course to get the minimum when state retirement pension is taken into account, but not before.)
    I fail to see why retired pensioners who may well have paid off the mortgage need nearly the average income for a working household even for a moderate retirement. The minimum looks about right
    Yes. £32 700 with no housing costs is £90 a day.
    The issue is the phrasing "retirement lifestyle".
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,689
    With profound regret, I must share something produced with AI. Because it tickled me, and I have to give it that.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/QoAYyRCMQXY

    "Keeping up with The Sturgeons".

    Deranged. More on the same channel.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,421
    Barnesian said:

    dixiedean said:

    Barnesian said:

    dixiedean said:

    Myers Briggs (WANK)

    Pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo.

    Many of us in business have found it extremely useful in putting together and managing balanced teams.

    It helps individuals realise that other people think and behave in a different but equally valid way from them.

    It is based upon the theory of psychological types proposed by Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung in his 1921 book, Psychological Types.

    However my wife had the same reaction to it as you.
    She hated being categorised.
    That's OK and understandable.
    Belbin has at least some research to back up its validity.
    Belbin is useful too.
    I judge these techniques by their practical usefulness.
    Many years ago, I went to an interview for an HR job in an NHS hospital. They gave me a Myers Briggs test to do and said they weren't going to use them as a selection tool but had just got it and wanted to calibrate it.

    Sitting outside the office waiting for my interview I heard them discussing the Myers Briggs, clearly they were looking for people who fitted certain criteria.

    You can assume I wasn't terribly disappointed when they failed to offer me a job, also it was in Lincoln which seemed to me to he rather isolated and not somewhere I wanted to live.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 62,557
    carnforth said:

    With profound regret, I must share something produced with AI. Because it tickled me, and I have to give it that.

    https://youtube.com/shorts/QoAYyRCMQXY

    "Keeping up with The Sturgeons".

    Deranged. More on the same channel.

    The Crewkerne Gazette. Very funny channel. They’re on Twitter as well.

    AI satire has greatly improved in the past few months.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,604
    Nigelb said:
    Should stand for London Mayor. #9 get my vote and will please the tourists.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,318

    viewcode said:

    A new report by Pensions UK about pension provision

    minimum retirement lifestyle (82% of the working population are predicted to hit this)

    • £13,900pa for a one-person household
    • £22,500pa for a two-person household
    moderate retirement lifestyle (23% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £32,700pa for a one-person household
    • £45,400pa for a two-person household
    comfortable retirement lifestyle (9% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £45,400pa for a one-person household
    • £62,700pa for a two-person household
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3928m30v89o

    (narrator: viewcode is on course to get the minimum when state retirement pension is taken into account, but not before.)
    Interesting but does it distinguish between pensioners who own their home mortgage free and those paying rent as it could make quite a difference ?
    It does not.

    This is from the same research team in 22/23 but has some more details.

    https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/133501/pdf/

    I would note that 30% of UK households (all ages) were below their minimum suggested incomes, whereas amongst pensioners it is 21%. This is a poverty problem, not a lack of pension savings problem.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,798
    Battlebus said:

    Nigelb said:
    Should stand for London Mayor. #9 get my vote and will please the tourists.
    I must admit, I felt a visceral thrill at "Ceefax to be reintroduced for the Greater Manchester area".
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789
    tlg86 said:

    Football hooliganism has been another massive stain on our international reputation.

    A long time ago now. Budapest was very peaceful last weekend (thankfully their idiots didn't fancy coughing up the money to riot in Budapest).
    Still subject to very substantial and careful policing. With strict segregation involved.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 2,027
    edited June 3
    eek said:

    To show how quickly it’s possible for batteries to change electricity consumption here is a chart for electricity energy source in Australia for April 2025 and 2026


    Impressive, but it won't do anything much to reduce UK electricity prices as the government has been locking in renewable deals with strike prices equal or greater than the cost of using gas.

    I wonder if it might help reduce the amount of new electricity interconnectors required a bit - if we can keep the N-S interconnectors flat out all day and night, to charge batteries in the south overnight which then mitigate peak demand in the south during the day, the increased utilisation might be sufficient to save building a lot of new interconnectors.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,421

    viewcode said:

    A new report by Pensions UK about pension provision

    minimum retirement lifestyle (82% of the working population are predicted to hit this)

    • £13,900pa for a one-person household
    • £22,500pa for a two-person household
    moderate retirement lifestyle (23% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £32,700pa for a one-person household
    • £45,400pa for a two-person household
    comfortable retirement lifestyle (9% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £45,400pa for a one-person household
    • £62,700pa for a two-person household
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3928m30v89o

    (narrator: viewcode is on course to get the minimum when state retirement pension is taken into account, but not before.)
    Surely that depends massively on whether you own your own property or not?

    I suspect they are also just measuring pensions, when nowadays ISA and for some BTL are equally significant savings methods.
    I'm always sceptical about figures like the £32,000 "moderate" income. That gives you £2,300 a month after tax. OK a few hundred £s will go on bills, running a car etc but what exactly do you spend the rest on? Assuming you are not paying mortgage or rent, that looks pretty comfortable to me
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,216

    viewcode said:

    A new report by Pensions UK about pension provision

    minimum retirement lifestyle (82% of the working population are predicted to hit this)

    • £13,900pa for a one-person household
    • £22,500pa for a two-person household
    moderate retirement lifestyle (23% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £32,700pa for a one-person household
    • £45,400pa for a two-person household
    comfortable retirement lifestyle (9% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £45,400pa for a one-person household
    • £62,700pa for a two-person household
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3928m30v89o

    (narrator: viewcode is on course to get the minimum when state retirement pension is taken into account, but not before.)
    Interesting but does it distinguish between pensioners who own their home mortgage free and those paying rent as it could make quite a difference ?
    Yes. It would make much more sense to look at income after housing costs have been met.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,604

    viewcode said:

    A new report by Pensions UK about pension provision

    minimum retirement lifestyle (82% of the working population are predicted to hit this)

    • £13,900pa for a one-person household
    • £22,500pa for a two-person household
    moderate retirement lifestyle (23% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £32,700pa for a one-person household
    • £45,400pa for a two-person household
    comfortable retirement lifestyle (9% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £45,400pa for a one-person household
    • £62,700pa for a two-person household
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3928m30v89o

    (narrator: viewcode is on course to get the minimum when state retirement pension is taken into account, but not before.)
    Surely that depends massively on whether you own your own property or not?

    I suspect they are also just measuring pensions, when nowadays ISA and for some BTL are equally significant savings methods.
    See this one for BHC (before housing costs) and AHC (after housing costs). Lots and lots not saving for the future. There will soon be an overlap (if there isn't already one) where Pension Credit is worth more than those with a 'full' pension. MalcomG is the expert on this.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/analysis-of-future-pension-incomes-2025/analysis-of-future-pension-incomes-2025
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,877

    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:
    I am with Binface on 3,4,6,7,10,11,12,15,17 and 19.

    What have you got against moving that damn hand drier?
    Neutral due to ignorance. A startling feature of his manifesto is that not a single proposal does any real harm.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789
    HYUFD said:

    Taz said:

    Reassuring the bond markets going well

    ‘ Andy Burnham cancelled a call with hedge fund managers this week at short notice, in a stumbling start to the Labour leadership favourite’s efforts to reassure nervous City of London investors about his borrowing plans ft.trib.al/zb8P4xg’


    https://x.com/ft/status/2062098841487147385?s=61

    I think Burnham is more tax and spend than borrow unlike Truss who was cut tax but not spend and borrow
    Truss proposed a massive guarantee on energy prices aka spending.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,238
    Cenk and Piers Morgan. Banned from the UK for criticising Israel. This is Starmer's Britain and we should all feel ashamed

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0tf0MfvbsrQ
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,616

    Scott_xP said:

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Fuel now being rationed at some Moscow petrol stations.

    https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3mneq3jp6lc2w

    St. Petersburg can't be far behind...
    Thoughts and prayers for @williamglenn and keeping his Moskvitch running in these difficult times.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 2,027

    HYUFD said:

    Taz said:

    Reassuring the bond markets going well

    ‘ Andy Burnham cancelled a call with hedge fund managers this week at short notice, in a stumbling start to the Labour leadership favourite’s efforts to reassure nervous City of London investors about his borrowing plans ft.trib.al/zb8P4xg’


    https://x.com/ft/status/2062098841487147385?s=61

    I think Burnham is more tax and spend than borrow unlike Truss who was cut tax but not spend and borrow
    Truss proposed a massive guarantee on energy prices aka spending.
    Which was the real thing which stuffed her, rather than the fairly modest tax cuts (some of which could well have been revenue raisers!).
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,439
    theProle said:

    eek said:

    To show how quickly it’s possible for batteries to change electricity consumption here is a chart for electricity energy source in Australia for April 2025 and 2026


    Impressive, but it won't do anything much to reduce UK electricity prices as the government has been locking in renewable deals with strike prices equal or greater than the cost of using gas.

    I wonder if it might help reduce the amount of new electricity interconnectors required a bit - if we can keep the N-S interconnectors flat out all day and night, to charge batteries in the south overnight which then mitigate peak demand in the south during the day, the increased utilisation might be sufficient to save building a lot of new interconnectors.
    Batteries will kill a number of things. But because they are the best solution. But because they are a solution that works and is available now. And at small scale, virtually unstoppable - trying to stop a solar farmer putting a couple of ISO containers on his land is pretty hard.

    Speaking of which - from my friend the solar farmer. The local council is demanding that *he* applies to close off a right of way through his fields. He’s got a hedge and ditch between the right of way and his panels. But they are claiming it is unsafe for humans to pass near “an industrial installation”.

    His response so far has been “show me an actual safety issue. And I will fix it”.

    They respond with vagueness and renewed demands for him to apply to close the right of way.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,616
    Roger said:

    Cenk and Piers Morgan. Banned from the UK for criticising Israel. This is Starmer's Britain and we should all feel ashamed

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0tf0MfvbsrQ

    Piers Morgan has been banned from the UK? Three cheers for Keir!
  • DumbosaurusDumbosaurus Posts: 1,079
    edited June 3

    viewcode said:

    A new report by Pensions UK about pension provision

    minimum retirement lifestyle (82% of the working population are predicted to hit this)

    • £13,900pa for a one-person household
    • £22,500pa for a two-person household
    moderate retirement lifestyle (23% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £32,700pa for a one-person household
    • £45,400pa for a two-person household
    comfortable retirement lifestyle (9% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £45,400pa for a one-person household
    • £62,700pa for a two-person household
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3928m30v89o

    (narrator: viewcode is on course to get the minimum when state retirement pension is taken into account, but not before.)
    Surely that depends massively on whether you own your own property or not?

    I suspect they are also just measuring pensions, when nowadays ISA and for some BTL are equally significant savings methods.
    I'm always sceptical about figures like the £32,000 "moderate" income. That gives you £2,300 a month after tax. OK a few hundred £s will go on bills, running a car etc but what exactly do you spend the rest on? Assuming you are not paying mortgage or rent, that looks pretty comfortable to me
    If you have no hobbies or social life, don't like travelling, and are happy subsisting on pot noodles and tap water, sure.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,689

    viewcode said:

    A new report by Pensions UK about pension provision

    minimum retirement lifestyle (82% of the working population are predicted to hit this)

    • £13,900pa for a one-person household
    • £22,500pa for a two-person household
    moderate retirement lifestyle (23% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £32,700pa for a one-person household
    • £45,400pa for a two-person household
    comfortable retirement lifestyle (9% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £45,400pa for a one-person household
    • £62,700pa for a two-person household
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3928m30v89o

    (narrator: viewcode is on course to get the minimum when state retirement pension is taken into account, but not before.)
    Surely that depends massively on whether you own your own property or not?

    I suspect they are also just measuring pensions, when nowadays ISA and for some BTL are equally significant savings methods.
    I'm always sceptical about figures like the £32,000 "moderate" income. That gives you £2,300 a month after tax. OK a few hundred £s will go on bills, running a car etc but what exactly do you spend the rest on? Assuming you are not paying mortgage or rent, that looks pretty comfortable to me
    If you have no hobbies or social life, don't like travelling, and are happy subsisting on pot noodles and tap water, sure.
    Drivel. I spend about £2500 a month and £850 of that is rent...
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,214
    Barnesian said:

    dixiedean said:

    Myers Briggs (WANK)

    Pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo.

    Many of us in business have found it extremely useful in putting together and managing balanced teams.

    It helps individuals realise that other people think and behave in a different but equally valid way from them.

    It is based upon the theory of psychological types proposed by Swiss psychiatrist Carl Jung in his 1921 book, Psychological Types.

    However my wife had the same reaction to it as you.
    She hated being categorised.
    That's OK and understandable.
    In my old life when I was looking to bring in extra private bankers into the bank I would obviously look for existing PBs who had a strong book that was transportable due to the personal connections but I would also look at people from different professional backgrounds and different social backgrounds who could potentially build a new book, help run existing books where “hunters” could be freed up to get new business and to provide a different input professionally or socially.

    It’s all very well having a team of successful people who went to the right schools and unis and have those personal contacts with clients but by diversifying in background you had people who, if they understood what they had to do, could access other areas of wealth where their face would fit better.

    There is a lot of money where a perfectly mannered, urbane public schoolboy isn’t going to be their cup of tea where an ex military, someone who started life as a brickies and made a big life change, whatever, would gel better.

    Having team members from different industry backgrounds also helped as when everyone is at their desks you overhear conversations and by having a different background you might chip in with a view or knowledge that changes things for the better or helps find an alternative solution that wouldn’t be considered otherwise due to everyone otherwise just having the same experiences in the job.

    The one thing that didn’t matter one jot was what colour the person was, their religion or their sex. The only consideration was whether they could do the job, add revenue and help improve the business.

    There is diversity and diversity and one is beneficial, the other is pointless when it’s about irrelevant elements.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,439

    Roger said:

    Cenk and Piers Morgan. Banned from the UK for criticising Israel. This is Starmer's Britain and we should all feel ashamed

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0tf0MfvbsrQ

    Piers Morgan has been banned from the UK? Three cheers for Keir!
    You’d think after posting one fake news story…
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,924
    kinabalu said:

    Nigelb said:
    Will surely walk it.
    He'd have my vote.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,616
    carnforth said:

    viewcode said:

    A new report by Pensions UK about pension provision

    minimum retirement lifestyle (82% of the working population are predicted to hit this)

    • £13,900pa for a one-person household
    • £22,500pa for a two-person household
    moderate retirement lifestyle (23% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £32,700pa for a one-person household
    • £45,400pa for a two-person household
    comfortable retirement lifestyle (9% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £45,400pa for a one-person household
    • £62,700pa for a two-person household
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3928m30v89o

    (narrator: viewcode is on course to get the minimum when state retirement pension is taken into account, but not before.)
    Surely that depends massively on whether you own your own property or not?

    I suspect they are also just measuring pensions, when nowadays ISA and for some BTL are equally significant savings methods.
    I'm always sceptical about figures like the £32,000 "moderate" income. That gives you £2,300 a month after tax. OK a few hundred £s will go on bills, running a car etc but what exactly do you spend the rest on? Assuming you are not paying mortgage or rent, that looks pretty comfortable to me
    If you have no hobbies or social life, don't like travelling, and are happy subsisting on pot noodles and tap water, sure.
    Drivel. I spend about £2500 a month and £850 of that is rent...
    Do you live in 2006?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,924

    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:
    I am with Binface on 3,4,6,7,10,11,12,15,17 and 19.

    What have you got against moving that damn hand drier?
    It's ideological.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,238

    Roger said:

    I don't know whether anyone remembers 'The Paulsgrove Estate'? It became famous for the ignorance of what was thought to be an underclass in the UK. In a small way it contributed to the ending of The News of the World and other horseshit produced by the Murdoch Stables .......

    It was a time of vigilantism......

    There was a paedophile story which had been ramped up by the News of the World which culminated in an army of pitchfork carriers daubing an innocent persons house with the word PAEDO. They had heard it was owned by a paediatrician.

    The owner had to move house and for several years afterwards 'The Paulsgrove Estate ' became a byword for the most ignorant of the ignorant. As a country we became a laughing stock. Even during a housing shortage no one wanted to live on the Paulsgrove Estate...


    And the bad news is thanks to Farage and his followers that's where we are heading for again.

    Part of the problem is people spreading fake stories that confirm their personal prejudices. On social media.

    Such as the story you just wrote.

    https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/a-tale-told-too-much-the-paediatrician-vigilantes/
    My story is completely from memory. I just had time to check if I'd spelt Paulsgrove correctly. My memory at the time was working in Hamburg and the Germans laughing like drains about paediatricians. They used to love English wordplay. I'm pretty sure my story is basically correct but I'll look at your link.
  • Roger said:

    I don't know whether anyone remembers 'The Paulsgrove Estate'? It became famous for the ignorance of what was thought to be an underclass in the UK. In a small way it contributed to the ending of The News of the World and other horseshit produced by the Murdoch Stables .......

    It was a time of vigilantism......

    There was a paedophile story which had been ramped up by the News of the World which culminated in an army of pitchfork carriers daubing an innocent persons house with the word PAEDO. They had heard it was owned by a paediatrician.

    The owner had to move house and for several years afterwards 'The Paulsgrove Estate ' became a byword for the most ignorant of the ignorant. As a country we became a laughing stock. Even during a housing shortage no one wanted to live on the Paulsgrove Estate...


    And the bad news is thanks to Farage and his followers that's where we are heading for again.

    Part of the problem is people spreading fake stories that confirm their personal prejudices. On social media.

    Such as the story you just wrote.

    https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/a-tale-told-too-much-the-paediatrician-vigilantes/
    Classic Roger.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,924
    Andy_JS said:

    "The animals that could replace historical figures such as Winston Churchill on banknotes revealed"

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-06-03/animals-that-could-replace-figures-like-winston-churchill-on-banknotes-revealed

    Our next war leader could be a buff-tailed bumblebee ?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,616
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The animals that could replace historical figures such as Winston Churchill on banknotes revealed"

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-06-03/animals-that-could-replace-figures-like-winston-churchill-on-banknotes-revealed

    Our next war leader could be a buff-tailed bumblebee ?
    More likely to be a gurning, racist toad.
  • Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The animals that could replace historical figures such as Winston Churchill on banknotes revealed"

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-06-03/animals-that-could-replace-figures-like-winston-churchill-on-banknotes-revealed

    Our next war leader could be a buff-tailed bumblebee ?
    More likely to be a gurning, racist toad.
    Nattyjackboot toad
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,288
    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The animals that could replace historical figures such as Winston Churchill on banknotes revealed"

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-06-03/animals-that-could-replace-figures-like-winston-churchill-on-banknotes-revealed

    Our next war leader could be a buff-tailed bumblebee ?
    Not if we all vote for the shark.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,862
    viewcode said:

    A new report by Pensions UK about pension provision

    minimum retirement lifestyle (82% of the working population are predicted to hit this)

    • £13,900pa for a one-person household
    • £22,500pa for a two-person household
    moderate retirement lifestyle (23% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £32,700pa for a one-person household
    • £45,400pa for a two-person household
    comfortable retirement lifestyle (9% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £45,400pa for a one-person household
    • £62,700pa for a two-person household
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3928m30v89o

    (narrator: viewcode is on course to get the minimum when state retirement pension is taken into account, but not before.)
    Does that include housing costs? Many retired folk have paid of the mortgage (assuming lucky enough to have bought a house).
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 28,318
    Nigelb said:

    algarkirk said:

    Nigelb said:
    I am with Binface on 3,4,6,7,10,11,12,15,17 and 19.

    What have you got against moving that damn hand drier?
    It's ideological.
    Too far to the left?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,616
    edited June 3
    Well done to Kemi for not bringing up Nowak in cut and thrust hostility, and for calling out Farage "rage".

    Farage on the other hand, what a disgusting arse.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,720

    Well done to Kemi for not bringing up Nowak in cut and thrust hostility, and for calling out Farage "rage".

    Farage on the other hand, what a disgusting arse.

    Farage is a disgrace
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,288

    Nigelb said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "The animals that could replace historical figures such as Winston Churchill on banknotes revealed"

    https://www.itv.com/news/2026-06-03/animals-that-could-replace-figures-like-winston-churchill-on-banknotes-revealed

    Our next war leader could be a buff-tailed bumblebee ?
    More likely to be a gurning, racist toad.
    BBC says RSPCA wanted a rat or pigeon.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,230

    Roger said:

    Cenk and Piers Morgan. Banned from the UK for criticising Israel. This is Starmer's Britain and we should all feel ashamed

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0tf0MfvbsrQ

    Piers Morgan has been banned from the UK? Three cheers for Keir!
    You’d think after posting one fake news story…
    Has Piers been banned for spreading the 40 beheaded babies on Oct 7th fake news story (lapped up by several PBers as I recall)? Harsh but fair.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,288

    Well done to Kemi for not bringing up Nowak in cut and thrust hostility, and for calling out Farage "rage".

    Farage on the other hand, what a disgusting arse.

    Farage is a disgrace
    FIADINPM?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,314

    Well done to Kemi for not bringing up Nowak in cut and thrust hostility, and for calling out Farage "rage".

    Farage on the other hand, what a disgusting arse.

    Farage is a disgrace
    Starmer is a disgrace for using the father as a human shield.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,616

    Well done to Kemi for not bringing up Nowak in cut and thrust hostility, and for calling out Farage "rage".

    Farage on the other hand, what a disgusting arse.

    Farage is a disgrace
    He has just gone full Nazi. He is a vile man who failed to condemn last night's Farage Riot in Southampton. A nice response under the circumstances from Starmer.

    I hope Badenoch tore Philp a new one for his behaviour yesterday and today in The times.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 28,058
    My feeling is that this is a good, if cynical play, by Reform. All the other politicians appear to be showing more outrage about the outrage rather than the disgraceful policing.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,238
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I don't know whether anyone remembers 'The Paulsgrove Estate'? It became famous for the ignorance of what was thought to be an underclass in the UK. In a small way it contributed to the ending of The News of the World and other horseshit produced by the Murdoch Stables .......

    It was a time of vigilantism......

    There was a paedophile story which had been ramped up by the News of the World which culminated in an army of pitchfork carriers daubing an innocent persons house with the word PAEDO. They had heard it was owned by a paediatrician.

    The owner had to move house and for several years afterwards 'The Paulsgrove Estate ' became a byword for the most ignorant of the ignorant. As a country we became a laughing stock. Even during a housing shortage no one wanted to live on the Paulsgrove Estate...


    And the bad news is thanks to Farage and his followers that's where we are heading for again.

    Part of the problem is people spreading fake stories that confirm their personal prejudices. On social media.

    Such as the story you just wrote.

    https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/a-tale-told-too-much-the-paediatrician-vigilantes/
    My story is completely from memory. I just had time to check if I'd spelt Paulsgrove correctly. My memory at the time was working in Hamburg and the Germans laughing like drains about paediatricians. They used to love English wordplay. I'm pretty sure my story is basically correct but I'll look at your link.
    In essence the story is correct. A load of marauding vigilante morons go looking for paedophiles. Whether they daubed the wrong house is neither here nor there. This is the contemporaneous story from the Guardian 2001. Your link is just a distraction

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2001/feb/06/childprotection
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,616
    edited June 3

    Well done to Kemi for not bringing up Nowak in cut and thrust hostility, and for calling out Farage "rage".

    Farage on the other hand, what a disgusting arse.

    Farage is a disgrace
    Starmer is a disgrace for using the father as a human shield.
    Oh behave (I was tempted to use a far more unparliamentary term). Starmer has quoted the father. Farage has despicably abused the father, the family and Henry with vile opportunism.

    I genuinely hope no one gives you a like for this post. You don't deserve one.

    Starmer is useless, but he owned Farage over this vile narrative.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,288
    Where has this Keir Starmer been hiding?

    If he was more like this he wouldn't be about to be deposed.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,196

    viewcode said:

    A new report by Pensions UK about pension provision

    minimum retirement lifestyle (82% of the working population are predicted to hit this)

    • £13,900pa for a one-person household
    • £22,500pa for a two-person household
    moderate retirement lifestyle (23% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £32,700pa for a one-person household
    • £45,400pa for a two-person household
    comfortable retirement lifestyle (9% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £45,400pa for a one-person household
    • £62,700pa for a two-person household
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3928m30v89o

    (narrator: viewcode is on course to get the minimum when state retirement pension is taken into account, but not before.)
    Surely that depends massively on whether you own your own property or not?

    I suspect they are also just measuring pensions, when nowadays ISA and for some BTL are equally significant savings methods.
    I'm always sceptical about figures like the £32,000 "moderate" income. That gives you £2,300 a month after tax. OK a few hundred £s will go on bills, running a car etc but what exactly do you spend the rest on? Assuming you are not paying mortgage or rent, that looks pretty comfortable to me
    If you have no hobbies or social life, don't like travelling, and are happy subsisting on pot noodles and tap water, sure.
    I’m a solicitor at an international law firm and I have much less disposable income than £2,300 per month after bills. Talk about being out of touch.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,439
    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    Roger said:

    I don't know whether anyone remembers 'The Paulsgrove Estate'? It became famous for the ignorance of what was thought to be an underclass in the UK. In a small way it contributed to the ending of The News of the World and other horseshit produced by the Murdoch Stables .......

    It was a time of vigilantism......

    There was a paedophile story which had been ramped up by the News of the World which culminated in an army of pitchfork carriers daubing an innocent persons house with the word PAEDO. They had heard it was owned by a paediatrician.

    The owner had to move house and for several years afterwards 'The Paulsgrove Estate ' became a byword for the most ignorant of the ignorant. As a country we became a laughing stock. Even during a housing shortage no one wanted to live on the Paulsgrove Estate...


    And the bad news is thanks to Farage and his followers that's where we are heading for again.

    Part of the problem is people spreading fake stories that confirm their personal prejudices. On social media.

    Such as the story you just wrote.

    https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/a-tale-told-too-much-the-paediatrician-vigilantes/
    My story is completely from memory. I just had time to check if I'd spelt Paulsgrove correctly. My memory at the time was working in Hamburg and the Germans laughing like drains about paediatricians. They used to love English wordplay. I'm pretty sure my story is basically correct but I'll look at your link.
    In essence the story is correct. A load of marauding vigilante morons go looking for paedophiles. Whether they daubed the wrong house is neither here nor there. This is the contemporaneous story from the Guardian 2001. Your link is just a distraction

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2001/feb/06/childprotection
    Asside from the names and location in your version being 100% wrong…

    The difference between news and propaganda garbage is exactly that.

    Fake But Accurate is not a valid excuse.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,238

    Roger said:

    Cenk and Piers Morgan. Banned from the UK for criticising Israel. This is Starmer's Britain and we should all feel ashamed

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0tf0MfvbsrQ

    Piers Morgan has been banned from the UK? Three cheers for Keir!
    If only.......
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,314

    Where has this Keir Starmer been hiding?

    If he was more like this he wouldn't be about to be deposed.

    There’s still plenty of time for Burnham’s challenge to fail.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,439

    Roger said:

    Cenk and Piers Morgan. Banned from the UK for criticising Israel. This is Starmer's Britain and we should all feel ashamed

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/0tf0MfvbsrQ

    Piers Morgan has been banned from the UK? Three cheers for Keir!
    You’d think after posting one fake news story…
    Has Piers been banned for spreading the 40 beheaded babies on Oct 7th fake news story (lapped up by several PBers as I recall)? Harsh but fair.
    I was t suggesting banning anyone.

    I was implying that after posting one urban legend, it might be a good idea to check snopes for the next story.
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,421

    viewcode said:

    A new report by Pensions UK about pension provision

    minimum retirement lifestyle (82% of the working population are predicted to hit this)

    • £13,900pa for a one-person household
    • £22,500pa for a two-person household
    moderate retirement lifestyle (23% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £32,700pa for a one-person household
    • £45,400pa for a two-person household
    comfortable retirement lifestyle (9% of the working population are predicted to hit this)
    • £45,400pa for a one-person household
    • £62,700pa for a two-person household
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3928m30v89o

    (narrator: viewcode is on course to get the minimum when state retirement pension is taken into account, but not before.)
    Surely that depends massively on whether you own your own property or not?

    I suspect they are also just measuring pensions, when nowadays ISA and for some BTL are equally significant savings methods.
    I'm always sceptical about figures like the £32,000 "moderate" income. That gives you £2,300 a month after tax. OK a few hundred £s will go on bills, running a car etc but what exactly do you spend the rest on? Assuming you are not paying mortgage or rent, that looks pretty comfortable to me
    If you have no hobbies or social life, don't like travelling, and are happy subsisting on pot noodles and tap water, sure.
    It is quite possibly assuming no savings. But I'm currently living on about £1800 a month including travel budget. Has just gone up a bit in April though.

    I don't go on cruises or stay in 5* hotels though and if it is supposed to fund that sort of lifestyle I wouldn't call it "moderate". Still pays for a few pints. If I didn't drink as much beer I would certainly be more comfortable though.

    Some of the things you do when retired, like volunteering and in my case my running club, and going walking, are free or virtually so.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,604

    theProle said:

    eek said:

    To show how quickly it’s possible for batteries to change electricity consumption here is a chart for electricity energy source in Australia for April 2025 and 2026


    Impressive, but it won't do anything much to reduce UK electricity prices as the government has been locking in renewable deals with strike prices equal or greater than the cost of using gas.

    I wonder if it might help reduce the amount of new electricity interconnectors required a bit - if we can keep the N-S interconnectors flat out all day and night, to charge batteries in the south overnight which then mitigate peak demand in the south during the day, the increased utilisation might be sufficient to save building a lot of new interconnectors.
    Batteries will kill a number of things. But because they are the best solution. But because they are a solution that works and is available now. And at small scale, virtually unstoppable - trying to stop a solar farmer putting a couple of ISO containers on his land is pretty hard.

    Speaking of which - from my friend the solar farmer. The local council is demanding that *he* applies to close off a right of way through his fields. He’s got a hedge and ditch between the right of way and his panels. But they are claiming it is unsafe for humans to pass near “an industrial installation”.

    His response so far has been “show me an actual safety issue. And I will fix it”.

    They respond with vagueness and renewed demands for him to apply to close the right of way.
    He needs a nice big Faraday cage. A bit like this one and not that difficult to construct.


  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    UK (GB), More in Common:

    Tony Blair as leader of the Labour Party

    REFORM~NI: 27% (-2)
    LAB-S&D: 24% (+2)
    CON~ECR: 22% (+1)
    LDEM-RE: 12%
    GREENS-G/EFA: 10% (+1)

    +/- vs. Keir Starmer as Leader of the Labour Party

    https://x.com/EuropeElects/status/2062085052322783697?s=20
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,288
    edited June 3
    repetition
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,288
    "Unforgivable. It shows exactly who he is"

    Starmer to Farage.

  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,616
    HYUFD said:

    UK (GB), More in Common:

    Tony Blair as leader of the Labour Party

    REFORM~NI: 27% (-2)
    LAB-S&D: 24% (+2)
    CON~ECR: 22% (+1)
    LDEM-RE: 12%
    GREENS-G/EFA: 10% (+1)

    +/- vs. Keir Starmer as Leader of the Labour Party

    https://x.com/EuropeElects/status/2062085052322783697?s=20

    God forbid.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,196
    HYUFD said:

    UK (GB), More in Common:

    Tony Blair as leader of the Labour Party

    REFORM~NI: 27% (-2)
    LAB-S&D: 24% (+2)
    CON~ECR: 22% (+1)
    LDEM-RE: 12%
    GREENS-G/EFA: 10% (+1)

    +/- vs. Keir Starmer as Leader of the Labour Party

    https://x.com/EuropeElects/status/2062085052322783697?s=20

    The person who commissioned this poll has more money than sense. What a complete waste of time
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,254
    edited June 3
    algarkirk said:

    Barnesian said:

    In Myers Briggs terms:

    I see Starmer as The Inspector ISTJ.
    He is a detail-oriented, pragmatic problem-solver who values hard data, precedents, and evidence over lofty, abstract grand visions. He approaches issues through the lens of incremental, concrete adjustments rather than ideological theories. His decision-making framework is analytical, highly objective, and clinical. He values rules, frameworks, and process, earning him a reputation as a "technocrat" who focuses on competence rather than emotional rhetoric.

    I see Blair as The Inspiring Communicator ENFJ.
    He possesses powerful charisma and his communication style relies heavily on metaphors, overarching vision, and emotional persuasion. His problem is that many think he has been captured by wealthy powerful players and now distrust him.

    I see Burnham as The Consul ESFJ.
    He shows deep empathy, approachable warmth, and a strong sense of community loyalty. Unlike Blair's grand abstract concepts, Burnham focuses on tangible, practical realities affecting everyday people, such as localised public transport (the Bee Network) and local social care.
    However he has the ability to craft a passion-driven alternative political narrative for the "North," demonstrating a broader regional vision which may be transferable to the whole nation.

    Bottom line: Burnham might turn out to be another Blair - but without the baggage - and with more attention to detail, (but not as limited by process as Starmer).

    Despite appearances I think it's more likely that Starmer is ESTJ rather than ISTJ. The slightly bullying manner, the ability to blame everyone apart from himself and desire to attend Taylor Swift concerts separates him from most ISTJs.

    BTW, the fact that most people think all this MBTI stuff is nonsense gives an advantage to those who don't.

    Yes, I don't think Starmer is ISTJ: he doesn't have the respect for the facts and discomfort with lies that characterise ISTJ. More specifically, there is such a thing called objective reality which can be deduced through research and observation, but Starmer genuinely believes whatever subjective narrative fits his purpose even if he believed an entirely different one yesterday. So he can't be ISTJ.

    Whether you go with my interpretation (Starmer doesn't consciously know he's doing this) or @Luckyguy1983 's interpretation (Starmer consciously knows he's doing this and doesn't care), it is a thing Starmer does. I don't think Starmer should not be PM due to trivial reasons, I think he's genuinely not fit for the role due to his personality problem(s).
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,314

    "Unforgivable. It shows exactly who he is"

    Starmer to Farage.

    It’s a massive hostage to fortune. What if the father doesn’t support the way Starmer is using his comments?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,288
    tlg86 said:

    My feeling is that this is a good, if cynical play, by Reform. All the other politicians appear to be showing more outrage about the outrage rather than the disgraceful policing.

    Oh, I'm sure it is great for his core vote strategy. And shoring themselves up against Restore seems to be the No. 1 Reform priority this week.

    But if he wants to PM (and there is some debate about whether he really actually does) then he has to win over significant numbers of normies as the american would say.

    Yesterday's behaviour wont do that.


  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,616
    edited June 3
    HYUFD said:
    Advance isn't very alliterative. Reform, Restore, Radvance?
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