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Sunil_Prasannan · June 2

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

williamglenn said:
Bodycam footage of the arrest of Henry Nowak has been released. It's extremely harrowing to watch.
The difference between Starmer's lack of interest and his posturing obsession about George Floyd seems to have broken thorough.

I've heard this contrast mentioned by three different people during the last few days.
How are they comparable? People have always murdered other people and, sadly, will go on doing so. The point about George Floyd that makes his case different is that he was murdered by law enforcement, exactly the people who are meant to protect us. It was the abuse of state power that made the Floyd case significant. The police made errors in the Nowak case, but they didn’t murder anyone, they didn’t try to murder anyone.
Both cases are about police restraining someone who later died.
No. In the George Floyd case, Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, a police officer. He didn’t happen to die later. He didn’t die because of some other reason.
While Floyd was deemed a threat by the Minnesota police who had to be restrained whereas Nowak was already badly wounded and no threat but was still handcuffed by the Hampshire plods.

This is all just dancing around a pinhead.

The Minnesota police behaved badly and the Hampshire plods behaved badly.

The connection is police misconduct.

And the external issue which has had an impact is the posturing from Starmer about Floyd compared to his indifference about the Nowak.
Lumping both cases together as “behaved badly” is ridiculous. In one case, a police officer murdered someone. In the other case, the police didn’t murder anyone.

They just let him bleed to death...

Cookie · June 2

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

williamglenn said:
Bodycam footage of the arrest of Henry Nowak has been released. It's extremely harrowing to watch.
The difference between Starmer's lack of interest and his posturing obsession about George Floyd seems to have broken thorough.

I've heard this contrast mentioned by three different people during the last few days.
How are they comparable? People have always murdered other people and, sadly, will go on doing so. The point about George Floyd that makes his case different is that he was murdered by law enforcement, exactly the people who are meant to protect us. It was the abuse of state power that made the Floyd case significant. The police made errors in the Nowak case, but they didn’t murder anyone, they didn’t try to murder anyone.
Both cases are about police restraining someone who later died.
No. In the George Floyd case, Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, a police officer. He didn’t happen to die later. He didn’t die because of some other reason.
While Floyd was deemed a threat by the Minnesota police who had to be restrained whereas Nowak was already badly wounded and no threat but was still handcuffed by the Hampshire plods.

This is all just dancing around a pinhead.

The Minnesota police behaved badly and the Hampshire plods behaved badly.

The connection is police misconduct.

And the external issue which has had an impact is the posturing from Starmer about Floyd compared to his indifference about the Nowak.
Lumping both cases together as “behaved badly” is ridiculous. In one case, a police officer murdered someone. In the other case, the police didn’t murder anyone.
They just let him bleed to death...

One was a violent criminal with form for brutality - the other was a student from Essex who'd had one and a half pints. But, you know, someone had called him a racist.

Nigelb · June 2

Has the mayor finally found something popular to do ?

Sadiq Khan vows to overrule residents’ group’s objections to Soho bars and restaurants
London mayor says Soho Society’s decision to challenge all new licensing applications is ‘bad’ for city
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/01/khan-vows-to-overrule-residents-groups-objections-to-soho-bars-and-restaurants

BatteryCorrectHorse · June 2

Lucy Powell basically saying what all of us know: only Burnham has the numbers and therefore will be the only candidate that stands.

bondegezou · June 2

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

williamglenn said:
Bodycam footage of the arrest of Henry Nowak has been released. It's extremely harrowing to watch.
The difference between Starmer's lack of interest and his posturing obsession about George Floyd seems to have broken thorough.

I've heard this contrast mentioned by three different people during the last few days.
How are they comparable? People have always murdered other people and, sadly, will go on doing so. The point about George Floyd that makes his case different is that he was murdered by law enforcement, exactly the people who are meant to protect us. It was the abuse of state power that made the Floyd case significant. The police made errors in the Nowak case, but they didn’t murder anyone, they didn’t try to murder anyone.
Both cases are about police restraining someone who later died.
No. In the George Floyd case, Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, a police officer. He didn’t happen to die later. He didn’t die because of some other reason.
While Floyd was deemed a threat by the Minnesota police who had to be restrained whereas Nowak was already badly wounded and no threat but was still handcuffed by the Hampshire plods.

This is all just dancing around a pinhead.

The Minnesota police behaved badly and the Hampshire plods behaved badly.

The connection is police misconduct.

And the external issue which has had an impact is the posturing from Starmer about Floyd compared to his indifference about the Nowak.
Lumping both cases together as “behaved badly” is ridiculous. In one case, a police officer murdered someone. In the other case, the police didn’t murder anyone.
They just let him bleed to death...

They did not know at first that he was bleeding. They soon realised their error, but he died before they could do anything about it. At no point did they knowingly let him bleed to death.

They made a mistake, but they’re not responsible for Nowak’s death. The man responsible for Nowak’s death was Vickrum Digwa, who has rightfully received a life sentence.

BatteryCorrectHorse · June 2

Nigelb said:
Has the mayor finally found something popular to do ?

Sadiq Khan vows to overrule residents’ group’s objections to Soho bars and restaurants
London mayor says Soho Society’s decision to challenge all new licensing applications is ‘bad’ for city
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/01/khan-vows-to-overrule-residents-groups-objections-to-soho-bars-and-restaurants

Excellent. Time to ignore these muppets.

Planning law needs removing altogether in London.

NickPalmer · June 2

Nigelb said:
Has the mayor finally found something popular to do ?

Sadiq Khan vows to overrule residents’ group’s objections to Soho bars and restaurants
London mayor says Soho Society’s decision to challenge all new licensing applications is ‘bad’ for city
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/01/khan-vows-to-overrule-residents-groups-objections-to-soho-bars-and-restaurants

Finally? My impression is that he'll be re-elected if he stands again, irrespective of his views on Soho bars.

algarkirk · June 2

Comment on the 'worth of going to university' figures. The question was:

Q. A university education isn't worth the amount of time and money it usually takes

Which places a medical degree from Oxford in the same category as a degree in Tea Warming Studies at Gasworks Road University, and also places a qualifier (usually) in a weird position.

It is more or less unthinkable that anyone places those two dissimilar things in exactly the same position WRT to 'worth'.

So what it is really testing is how many people can spot a meaningless question.

This is unworthy of the BSA survey.

Stereodog · June 2

Cookie said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

williamglenn said:
Bodycam footage of the arrest of Henry Nowak has been released. It's extremely harrowing to watch.
The difference between Starmer's lack of interest and his posturing obsession about George Floyd seems to have broken thorough.

I've heard this contrast mentioned by three different people during the last few days.
How are they comparable? People have always murdered other people and, sadly, will go on doing so. The point about George Floyd that makes his case different is that he was murdered by law enforcement, exactly the people who are meant to protect us. It was the abuse of state power that made the Floyd case significant. The police made errors in the Nowak case, but they didn’t murder anyone, they didn’t try to murder anyone.
Both cases are about police restraining someone who later died.
No. In the George Floyd case, Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, a police officer. He didn’t happen to die later. He didn’t die because of some other reason.
While Floyd was deemed a threat by the Minnesota police who had to be restrained whereas Nowak was already badly wounded and no threat but was still handcuffed by the Hampshire plods.

This is all just dancing around a pinhead.

The Minnesota police behaved badly and the Hampshire plods behaved badly.

The connection is police misconduct.

And the external issue which has had an impact is the posturing from Starmer about Floyd compared to his indifference about the Nowak.
Lumping both cases together as “behaved badly” is ridiculous. In one case, a police officer murdered someone. In the other case, the police didn’t murder anyone.
They just let him bleed to death...
One was a violent criminal with form for brutality - the other was a student from Essex who'd had one and a half pints. But, you know, someone had called him a racist.

Against my inclination I did just watch the body cam footage. The police clearly assumed that Nowak was drunk and had fallen trying to climb the fence of the house that he collapsed at. You can see why the police might have made that assumption in isolation (he's lying on the griund slurring) but the odd thing is the killer and his associates are crowded round making accusations about being beaten up whilst looking absolutely fine (clearly visible from the body cam) with Nowak insensible on the ground. Regardless of what they think, the police seem to show little concern for Nowak's wellbeing and are far more interested in handcuffing and reading him his rights.

Taz · June 2

bondegezou said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

williamglenn said:
Bodycam footage of the arrest of Henry Nowak has been released. It's extremely harrowing to watch.
The difference between Starmer's lack of interest and his posturing obsession about George Floyd seems to have broken thorough.

I've heard this contrast mentioned by three different people during the last few days.
How are they comparable? People have always murdered other people and, sadly, will go on doing so. The point about George Floyd that makes his case different is that he was murdered by law enforcement, exactly the people who are meant to protect us. It was the abuse of state power that made the Floyd case significant. The police made errors in the Nowak case, but they didn’t murder anyone, they didn’t try to murder anyone.
Both cases are about police restraining someone who later died.
No. In the George Floyd case, Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, a police officer. He didn’t happen to die later. He didn’t die because of some other reason.
While Floyd was deemed a threat by the Minnesota police who had to be restrained whereas Nowak was already badly wounded and no threat but was still handcuffed by the Hampshire plods.

This is all just dancing around a pinhead.

The Minnesota police behaved badly and the Hampshire plods behaved badly.

The connection is police misconduct.

And the external issue which has had an impact is the posturing from Starmer about Floyd compared to his indifference about the Nowak.
Lumping both cases together as “behaved badly” is ridiculous. In one case, a police officer murdered someone. In the other case, the police didn’t murder anyone.
They just let him bleed to death...
They did not know at first that he was bleeding. They soon realised their error, but he died before they could do anything about it. At no point did they knowingly let him bleed to death.

They made a mistake, but they’re not responsible for Nowak’s death. The man responsible for Nowak’s death was Vickrum Digwa, who has rightfully received a life sentence.

He told them he’d been stabbed and they didn’t believe him.

They may not be directly responsible for his death and they are very fortunate that an expert opinion has said the injuries were unsurvivable but their conduct was poor all,the same.

Big_G_NorthWales · June 2

Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr

algarkirk · June 2

Anyone who follows cricket or football knows that instant judgments are hard and sometimes got wrong. Lots of people can then spend weeks studying the footage, drawing conclusions, and criticising the umpire or referee, who acts in real time with instant decisions.

Police are frequently in such situations, only massively multiplied in complexity, misdirection horrible consequences and gravity. We should start from the significance of that situation.

Taz · June 2

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr

It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍

bondegezou · June 2

Taz said:

bondegezou said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

williamglenn said:
Bodycam footage of the arrest of Henry Nowak has been released. It's extremely harrowing to watch.
The difference between Starmer's lack of interest and his posturing obsession about George Floyd seems to have broken thorough.

I've heard this contrast mentioned by three different people during the last few days.
How are they comparable? People have always murdered other people and, sadly, will go on doing so. The point about George Floyd that makes his case different is that he was murdered by law enforcement, exactly the people who are meant to protect us. It was the abuse of state power that made the Floyd case significant. The police made errors in the Nowak case, but they didn’t murder anyone, they didn’t try to murder anyone.
Both cases are about police restraining someone who later died.
No. In the George Floyd case, Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, a police officer. He didn’t happen to die later. He didn’t die because of some other reason.
While Floyd was deemed a threat by the Minnesota police who had to be restrained whereas Nowak was already badly wounded and no threat but was still handcuffed by the Hampshire plods.

This is all just dancing around a pinhead.

The Minnesota police behaved badly and the Hampshire plods behaved badly.

The connection is police misconduct.

And the external issue which has had an impact is the posturing from Starmer about Floyd compared to his indifference about the Nowak.
Lumping both cases together as “behaved badly” is ridiculous. In one case, a police officer murdered someone. In the other case, the police didn’t murder anyone.
They just let him bleed to death...
They did not know at first that he was bleeding. They soon realised their error, but he died before they could do anything about it. At no point did they knowingly let him bleed to death.

They made a mistake, but they’re not responsible for Nowak’s death. The man responsible for Nowak’s death was Vickrum Digwa, who has rightfully received a life sentence.
He told them he’d been stabbed and they didn’t believe him.

They may not be directly responsible for his death and they are very fortunate that an expert opinion has said the injuries were unsurvivable but their conduct was poor all,the same.

Yes, their conduct was poor. Their conduct was not, however, comparable to murder. They guy who murdered Nowak was Digwa.

stodge · June 2

Morning all

Vaguely on topic, it makes life easier for the simple minded among us (politicians, book makers, punters, bloggers, commentators, analysts and other thickheads) to paint the election in binary terms.

It may not be John Jackson vs Jack Johnson though the cynic might take the view Labour and Reform are more similar than either would care to admit.

It's worth repeating (because I enjoy the words), the amount of water to flow under the number of bridges before the next General Election is as comparable as the 20mm which fell at Epsom last night to the daily volume passing over Niagara Falls.

Roger · June 2

Cookie said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

williamglenn said:
Bodycam footage of the arrest of Henry Nowak has been released. It's extremely harrowing to watch.
The difference between Starmer's lack of interest and his posturing obsession about George Floyd seems to have broken thorough.

I've heard this contrast mentioned by three different people during the last few days.
How are they comparable? People have always murdered other people and, sadly, will go on doing so. The point about George Floyd that makes his case different is that he was murdered by law enforcement, exactly the people who are meant to protect us. It was the abuse of state power that made the Floyd case significant. The police made errors in the Nowak case, but they didn’t murder anyone, they didn’t try to murder anyone.
Both cases are about police restraining someone who later died.
No. In the George Floyd case, Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, a police officer. He didn’t happen to die later. He didn’t die because of some other reason.
While Floyd was deemed a threat by the Minnesota police who had to be restrained whereas Nowak was already badly wounded and no threat but was still handcuffed by the Hampshire plods.

This is all just dancing around a pinhead.

The Minnesota police behaved badly and the Hampshire plods behaved badly.

The connection is police misconduct.

And the external issue which has had an impact is the posturing from Starmer about Floyd compared to his indifference about the Nowak.
Lumping both cases together as “behaved badly” is ridiculous. In one case, a police officer murdered someone. In the other case, the police didn’t murder anyone.
They just let him bleed to death...
One was a violent criminal with form for brutality - the other was a student from Essex who'd had one and a half pints. But, you know, someone had called him a racist.

Did you watch the 6 second footage? I'm just doing a survey of how many posters who chose not to watch the 6 second footage have subsequently posted a full analysis of what happened and what the police did or should have done under the circumstances.

Big_G_NorthWales · June 2

Taz said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr
It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍

I value integrity and on this occasion wanted to produce the actual clip which I have done

On the wider point of hounding posters from the site that does happen but I am not going anywhere

RochdalePioneers · June 2

Farage really is scum isn't he?

ozymandias · June 2

bondegezou said:

Taz said:

bondegezou said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

williamglenn said:
Bodycam footage of the arrest of Henry Nowak has been released. It's extremely harrowing to watch.
The difference between Starmer's lack of interest and his posturing obsession about George Floyd seems to have broken thorough.

I've heard this contrast mentioned by three different people during the last few days.
How are they comparable? People have always murdered other people and, sadly, will go on doing so. The point about George Floyd that makes his case different is that he was murdered by law enforcement, exactly the people who are meant to protect us. It was the abuse of state power that made the Floyd case significant. The police made errors in the Nowak case, but they didn’t murder anyone, they didn’t try to murder anyone.
Both cases are about police restraining someone who later died.
No. In the George Floyd case, Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, a police officer. He didn’t happen to die later. He didn’t die because of some other reason.
While Floyd was deemed a threat by the Minnesota police who had to be restrained whereas Nowak was already badly wounded and no threat but was still handcuffed by the Hampshire plods.

This is all just dancing around a pinhead.

The Minnesota police behaved badly and the Hampshire plods behaved badly.

The connection is police misconduct.

And the external issue which has had an impact is the posturing from Starmer about Floyd compared to his indifference about the Nowak.
Lumping both cases together as “behaved badly” is ridiculous. In one case, a police officer murdered someone. In the other case, the police didn’t murder anyone.
They just let him bleed to death...
They did not know at first that he was bleeding. They soon realised their error, but he died before they could do anything about it. At no point did they knowingly let him bleed to death.

They made a mistake, but they’re not responsible for Nowak’s death. The man responsible for Nowak’s death was Vickrum Digwa, who has rightfully received a life sentence.
He told them he’d been stabbed and they didn’t believe him.

They may not be directly responsible for his death and they are very fortunate that an expert opinion has said the injuries were unsurvivable but their conduct was poor all,the same.
Yes, their conduct was poor. Their conduct was not, however, comparable to murder. They guy who murdered Nowak was Digwa.

The police didn’t murder Stephen Lawrence either. But that led to the McPherson report where the Police and its culture were, quite rightly, overhauled in its approach to race relations.

Sunil_Prasannan · June 2

RochdalePioneers said:
Digwa really is scum isn't he?

FIFY

HYUFD · June 2

If Burnham wins the Makerfield by election and becomes Labour leader then both Deltapoll and MiC suggest Labour not Reform would win most seats. Even if the BMG poll is correct and Reform would win most seats against a Burnham led Labour, Reform may still not win enough seats for a majority even with Tory and DUP support

TheScreamingEagles · June 2

I think some of you are forgetting the Stephen Lawrence murder.

Furthermore Mr Brooks was justifiably frustrated and angry, because he saw the arrival of the police as no substitute for the non-arrival of the ambulance, and to his mind the police seemed more interested in questioning him than in tending Stephen...

...To that must be added the failure of Inspector Steven Groves, the only senior officer present before the ambulance came, to try to find out from Mr Brooks what had happened. He, and others, appear to have assumed that there had been a fight. Only later did they take some steps to follow up the sparse information which they had gleaned. Who can tell whether proper concern and respect for Mr Brooks' condition and status as a victim might not have helped to lead to evidence should he have been used in a properly coordinated search of the estate?

30 years on the Police appear to have learned nothing.

Nigelb · June 2

NickPalmer said:

Nigelb said:
Has the mayor finally found something popular to do ?

Sadiq Khan vows to overrule residents’ group’s objections to Soho bars and restaurants
London mayor says Soho Society’s decision to challenge all new licensing applications is ‘bad’ for city
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/01/khan-vows-to-overrule-residents-groups-objections-to-soho-bars-and-restaurants
Finally? My impression is that he'll be re-elected if he stands again, irrespective of his views on Soho bars.

I meant with the PB commentariat.

kinabalu · June 2

Reform have had a clear and persistent lead in the polls for some time now. They have many vulnerabilities which may crystallise but otoh they may not and in any case - to reach for a chestnut that actually has value - a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. So although a majority is (imo) beyond them they are the right fav for most seats, Burnham or no Burnham. But I'm happy enough having laid them at evens. I rate their chances as good but less than 50/50.

Roger · June 2

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Taz said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr
It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍
I value integrity and on this occasion wanted to produce the actual clip which I have done

On the wider point of hounding posters from the site that does happen but I am not going anywhere

I don't think anyone would be happy to lose the site's last living Tory!

Having said that Sky is a very poor News Channel-only marginally better than Fox News- and Trevor Phillips is the worst of them.

Big_G_NorthWales · June 2

HYUFD said:
If Burnham wins the Makerfield by election and becomes Labour leader then both Deltapoll and MiC suggest Labour not Reform would win most seats. Even if the BMG poll is correct and Reform would win most seats against a Burnham led Labour, Reform may still not win enough seats for a majority even with Tory and DUP support

In other words, everything is up in the air and nobody has a clue what happens next

ozymandias · June 2

Roger said:

Cookie said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

williamglenn said:
Bodycam footage of the arrest of Henry Nowak has been released. It's extremely harrowing to watch.
The difference between Starmer's lack of interest and his posturing obsession about George Floyd seems to have broken thorough.

I've heard this contrast mentioned by three different people during the last few days.
How are they comparable? People have always murdered other people and, sadly, will go on doing so. The point about George Floyd that makes his case different is that he was murdered by law enforcement, exactly the people who are meant to protect us. It was the abuse of state power that made the Floyd case significant. The police made errors in the Nowak case, but they didn’t murder anyone, they didn’t try to murder anyone.
Both cases are about police restraining someone who later died.
No. In the George Floyd case, Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, a police officer. He didn’t happen to die later. He didn’t die because of some other reason.
While Floyd was deemed a threat by the Minnesota police who had to be restrained whereas Nowak was already badly wounded and no threat but was still handcuffed by the Hampshire plods.

This is all just dancing around a pinhead.

The Minnesota police behaved badly and the Hampshire plods behaved badly.

The connection is police misconduct.

And the external issue which has had an impact is the posturing from Starmer about Floyd compared to his indifference about the Nowak.
Lumping both cases together as “behaved badly” is ridiculous. In one case, a police officer murdered someone. In the other case, the police didn’t murder anyone.
They just let him bleed to death...
One was a violent criminal with form for brutality - the other was a student from Essex who'd had one and a half pints. But, you know, someone had called him a racist.
Did you watch the 6 second footage? I'm just doing a survey of how many posters who chose not to watch the 6 second footage have subsequently posted a full analysis of what happened and what the police did or should have done under the circumstances.

A man lying on ground stating he can’t breathe and has been stabbed (repeating that multiple times),
In obvious distress, is dragged up nearly to his feet, his arms brought behind his back and cuffed. The response to his pleas of being stabbed being “I don’t think you have mate”.

OldKingCole · June 2

RochdalePioneers said:
Farage really is scum isn't he?

Yes, but what's he done this time?

His Reform councillors in Essex are insisting that County Council meetings open with the Lords Prayer and end with the singing of the National Anthem.

RochdalePioneers · June 2

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Digwa really is scum isn't he?
FIFY

That isn't fixing it. Murdering arsehole has been convicted and jailed. Justice.
Next we need the officers who utterly failed to show concern for their prisoner to face justice. At the very least its a gross failure of their duties

But Farage? He's trying to fan flames to incite a political reaction. For votes, not out of concern.

We need less hate and division in this country, not more.

FrancisUrquhart · June 2

Cabinet Office and EU relations minister Nick Thomas Symonds explained that his phone was snatched on the night of his wife’s birthday and all his messages with Mandelson were therefore non-accessible.

Sounds like crime is really out of control.....all these Labour political figures having their phones nicked.

williamglenn · June 2

Burnham the bottler

https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2061727422827954385

Exclusive: Andy Burnham will not call an early election if he becomes PM

His spokesperson says he is ruling out a snap election

RochdalePioneers · June 2

ozymandias said:

Roger said:

Cookie said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

williamglenn said:
Bodycam footage of the arrest of Henry Nowak has been released. It's extremely harrowing to watch.
The difference between Starmer's lack of interest and his posturing obsession about George Floyd seems to have broken thorough.

I've heard this contrast mentioned by three different people during the last few days.
How are they comparable? People have always murdered other people and, sadly, will go on doing so. The point about George Floyd that makes his case different is that he was murdered by law enforcement, exactly the people who are meant to protect us. It was the abuse of state power that made the Floyd case significant. The police made errors in the Nowak case, but they didn’t murder anyone, they didn’t try to murder anyone.
Both cases are about police restraining someone who later died.
No. In the George Floyd case, Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, a police officer. He didn’t happen to die later. He didn’t die because of some other reason.
While Floyd was deemed a threat by the Minnesota police who had to be restrained whereas Nowak was already badly wounded and no threat but was still handcuffed by the Hampshire plods.

This is all just dancing around a pinhead.

The Minnesota police behaved badly and the Hampshire plods behaved badly.

The connection is police misconduct.

And the external issue which has had an impact is the posturing from Starmer about Floyd compared to his indifference about the Nowak.
Lumping both cases together as “behaved badly” is ridiculous. In one case, a police officer murdered someone. In the other case, the police didn’t murder anyone.
They just let him bleed to death...
One was a violent criminal with form for brutality - the other was a student from Essex who'd had one and a half pints. But, you know, someone had called him a racist.
Did you watch the 6 second footage? I'm just doing a survey of how many posters who chose not to watch the 6 second footage have subsequently posted a full analysis of what happened and what the police did or should have done under the circumstances.
A man lying on ground stating he can’t breathe and has been stabbed (repeating that multiple times),
In obvious distress, is dragged up nearly to his feet, his arms brought behind his back and cuffed. The response to his pleas of being stabbed being “I don’t think you have mate”.

How long does it take them to check? Seconds? He's cuffed and not resisting - because he's been stabbed.

ozymandias · June 2

RochdalePioneers said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Digwa really is scum isn't he?
FIFY
That isn't fixing it. Murdering arsehole has been convicted and jailed. Justice.
Next we need the officers who utterly failed to show concern for their prisoner to face justice. At the very least its a gross failure of their duties

But Farage? He's trying to fan flames to incite a political reaction. For votes, not out of concern.

We need less hate and division in this country, not more.

And what was Starmer doing exactly then he took the knee. Was he doing it for political advantage and votes?

Sandpit · June 2

Nigelb said:
Has the mayor finally found something popular to do ?

Sadiq Khan vows to overrule residents’ group’s objections to Soho bars and restaurants
London mayor says Soho Society’s decision to challenge all new licensing applications is ‘bad’ for city
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/01/khan-vows-to-overrule-residents-groups-objections-to-soho-bars-and-restaurants

A stopped clock can be right twice a day.

This sort of organised protest at established industries will kill city centres.

It’s Soho, it’s been full of bars and restaurants open all night for decades. If you want a quiet life go live somewhere else.

Same goes for those who move next to the airport, motorsports venue etc. and then think they can start objecting to existing businesses.

ozymandias · June 2

RochdalePioneers said:

ozymandias said:

Roger said:

Cookie said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

williamglenn said:
Bodycam footage of the arrest of Henry Nowak has been released. It's extremely harrowing to watch.
The difference between Starmer's lack of interest and his posturing obsession about George Floyd seems to have broken thorough.

I've heard this contrast mentioned by three different people during the last few days.
How are they comparable? People have always murdered other people and, sadly, will go on doing so. The point about George Floyd that makes his case different is that he was murdered by law enforcement, exactly the people who are meant to protect us. It was the abuse of state power that made the Floyd case significant. The police made errors in the Nowak case, but they didn’t murder anyone, they didn’t try to murder anyone.
Both cases are about police restraining someone who later died.
No. In the George Floyd case, Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, a police officer. He didn’t happen to die later. He didn’t die because of some other reason.
While Floyd was deemed a threat by the Minnesota police who had to be restrained whereas Nowak was already badly wounded and no threat but was still handcuffed by the Hampshire plods.

This is all just dancing around a pinhead.

The Minnesota police behaved badly and the Hampshire plods behaved badly.

The connection is police misconduct.

And the external issue which has had an impact is the posturing from Starmer about Floyd compared to his indifference about the Nowak.
Lumping both cases together as “behaved badly” is ridiculous. In one case, a police officer murdered someone. In the other case, the police didn’t murder anyone.
They just let him bleed to death...
One was a violent criminal with form for brutality - the other was a student from Essex who'd had one and a half pints. But, you know, someone had called him a racist.
Did you watch the 6 second footage? I'm just doing a survey of how many posters who chose not to watch the 6 second footage have subsequently posted a full analysis of what happened and what the police did or should have done under the circumstances.
A man lying on ground stating he can’t breathe and has been stabbed (repeating that multiple times),
In obvious distress, is dragged up nearly to his feet, his arms brought behind his back and cuffed. The response to his pleas of being stabbed being “I don’t think you have mate”.

How long does it take them to check? Seconds? He's cuffed and not resisting - because he's been stabbed.

They do a cursory check before cuffing him. He then dies.

Sandpit · June 2

FrancisUrquhart said:
Cabinet Office and EU relations minister Nick Thomas Symonds explained that his phone was snatched on the night of his wife’s birthday and all his messages with Mandelson were therefore non-accessible.

Sounds like crime is really out of control.....all these Labour political figures having their phones nicked.

Will the Met now admit there’s a serious phone theft problem in London? If a few hundred MPs and No.10 staffers can be subject to what seems like a dozen phones stolen in only a few short months…

MattW · June 2

On the absurd side, I have appreciated reading again the Five Ks of Sikhism:

Kesh (uncut hair)
Kara (a steel bracelet)
Kanga (a wooden comb)
Kaccha - also spelt, Kachh, Kachera (cotton underwear)
Kirpan (steel sword)

As a fan of the Tao of Pooh, my punlimited alternative proposal for ensuring community safety is that the Kirpan may be carried - but only if the Kanga is replaced with a requirement to be accompanied at all times by a (non-boxing) live kangaroo, which must be ridden or kept on a 2m lead.

eek · June 2

williamglenn said:
Burnham the bottler

https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2061727422827954385

Exclusive: Andy Burnham will not call an early election if he becomes PM

His spokesperson says he is ruling out a snap election

We elected an MP, MPs decide to replace their leader - nothing there says a new leader needs to call a new election. I don't remember elections in 2016 or two in 2022...

Big_G_NorthWales · June 2

Roger said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Taz said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr
It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍
I value integrity and on this occasion wanted to produce the actual clip which I have done

On the wider point of hounding posters from the site that does happen but I am not going anywhere
I don't think anyone would be happy to lose the site's last living Tory!

Having said that Sky is a very poor News Channel-only marginally better than Fox News- and Trevor Phillips is the worst of them.

Sky News has won news channel of the year, and is the ninth year in a row, at the Royal Television Society (RTS) Awards.

Yousra Elbagir has been named television journalist of the year

Yalda Hakim, who hosts international news show The World With Yalda Hakim, won presenter of the year

Home news correspondent Mollie Malone was named emerging talent of the year

24 Hours In The Kill Zone by international news correspondent John Sparks won in the digital journalism category.

Deborah Haynes is also an excellent defence correspondent

It is noticeable that apart from John Sparks, they are all women

Stereodog · June 2

algarkirk said:
Anyone who follows cricket or football knows that instant judgments are hard and sometimes got wrong. Lots of people can then spend weeks studying the footage, drawing conclusions, and criticising the umpire or referee, who acts in real time with instant decisions.

Police are frequently in such situations, only massively multiplied in complexity, misdirection horrible consequences and gravity. We should start from the significance of that situation.

To a point but to use your analogy it's like the Umpires standing around a batter flat out on the ground complaining of a head injury and accusing him of wearing a non regulation helmet. It might be true and a later investigation would establish that but your immediate concern is to treat the injury. I've watched the footage and clearly there is something very wrong with Nowak and that should have been the police immediate concern but it wasn't.

Malmesbury · June 2

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

williamglenn said:
Bodycam footage of the arrest of Henry Nowak has been released. It's extremely harrowing to watch.
The difference between Starmer's lack of interest and his posturing obsession about George Floyd seems to have broken thorough.

I've heard this contrast mentioned by three different people during the last few days.
How are they comparable? People have always murdered other people and, sadly, will go on doing so. The point about George Floyd that makes his case different is that he was murdered by law enforcement, exactly the people who are meant to protect us. It was the abuse of state power that made the Floyd case significant. The police made errors in the Nowak case, but they didn’t murder anyone, they didn’t try to murder anyone.
Both cases are about police restraining someone who later died.
No. In the George Floyd case, Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, a police officer. He didn’t happen to die later. He didn’t die because of some other reason.
While Floyd was deemed a threat by the Minnesota police who had to be restrained whereas Nowak was already badly wounded and no threat but was still handcuffed by the Hampshire plods.

This is all just dancing around a pinhead.

The Minnesota police behaved badly and the Hampshire plods behaved badly.

The connection is police misconduct.

And the external issue which has had an impact is the posturing from Starmer about Floyd compared to his indifference about the Nowak.
Lumping both cases together as “behaved badly” is ridiculous. In one case, a police officer murdered someone. In the other case, the police didn’t murder anyone.
They just let him bleed to death...
One was a violent criminal with form for brutality - the other was a student from Essex who'd had one and a half pints. But, you know, someone had called him a racist.
Against my inclination I did just watch the body cam footage. The police clearly assumed that Nowak was drunk and had fallen trying to climb the fence of the house that he collapsed at. You can see why the police might have made that assumption in isolation (he's lying on the griund slurring) but the odd thing is the killer and his associates are crowded round making accusations about being beaten up whilst looking absolutely fine (clearly visible from the body cam) with Nowak insensible on the ground. Regardless of what they think, the police seem to show little concern for Nowak's wellbeing and are far more interested in handcuffing and reading him his rights.

It is, I think, an example of the danger of categorising people into groups and then using that group to define how you treat them.

I know of a case where a hit and run victim was assumed by the police to be a drunk in the gutter. And then was treated as such.

stodge · June 2

NickPalmer said:

Nigelb said:
Has the mayor finally found something popular to do ?

Sadiq Khan vows to overrule residents’ group’s objections to Soho bars and restaurants
London mayor says Soho Society’s decision to challenge all new licensing applications is ‘bad’ for city
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/01/khan-vows-to-overrule-residents-groups-objections-to-soho-bars-and-restaurants
Finally? My impression is that he'll be re-elected if he stands again, irrespective of his views on Soho bars.

Indeed - for all the Council losses in the capital, Labour is still the leading political party in the capital. The actual vote shares (according to Wikipedia):

Labour 25.6%
Greens 22.3%
Conservatives 20%
Reform: 13%
Liberal Democrats: 12.4%

Yes, they took a beating in several Boroughs - in mine, they lost 38 seats, 14 to the Greens and 24 to the Newham Independents. Yet they held the Mayoralty and have joined with the Greens to retain control of the administration.

Those numbers suggest a potentially close and unpredictable race for the Mayoralty. Sadiq Khan is widely loathed in Outer London but his vote holds up well in Inner London. Choice of candidate will be essential - @HYUFD talks up Cleverley and Coe but I can't see it. We already have Laila Cunningham more or less in place for Reform but who will the Greens pick?

algarkirk · June 2

OldKingCole said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Farage really is scum isn't he?
Yes, but what's he done this time?

His Reform councillors in Essex are insisting that County Council meetings open with the Lords Prayer and end with the singing of the National Anthem.

I am no friend of Reform, and distrust entirely the new found fondness of the right for certain forms of religion while denying the substance. But as the House of Commons and the House of Lords begin each day with prayer, and the national anthem is exactly what it says on the tin, I think it is sub optimal to make too much of it.

Malmesbury · June 2

Nigelb said:

NickPalmer said:

Nigelb said:
Has the mayor finally found something popular to do ?

Sadiq Khan vows to overrule residents’ group’s objections to Soho bars and restaurants
London mayor says Soho Society’s decision to challenge all new licensing applications is ‘bad’ for city
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/01/khan-vows-to-overrule-residents-groups-objections-to-soho-bars-and-restaurants
Finally? My impression is that he'll be re-elected if he stands again, irrespective of his views on Soho bars.
I meant with the PB commentariat.

Outside PB, there are quite a few people who really don’t like Khan. And they aren’t the Gammon Rcist Scum that seems to be the assumption about such people, here.

On the matter of licenses - this is a political issue, relating to large scale landlords wanting bars removed, and politicians politicking with local groups.

It will be interesting to see if anything happens. My guess is that it will fade again. The anti-license thing is strong in a section of local politics in inner London.

Nigelb · June 2

The Blue Origin disaster wasn't quite the setback it could easily have been.
They got lucky.

Some LC-36 updates. Now that we’ve had access to the pad and integration facility we can share a bit of good news. The propellant farm, oxygen, liquid hydrogen and LNG tanks are all in good shape. This is good luck because these are very long lead items. The water tower is also good. The big support tower is damaged, but it can be repaired in place rather than torn down and replaced. The booster “Never Tell Me The Odds” and the three GS-2s that were onsite in the integration facility also look good.

I’ve seen some speculation that we might move directly to the 9x4 configuration, but we won’t do that. Rate manufacturing of 7x2 is going well, and we’re going to continue that at pace as planned and store the stages for use. In addition, we had already been working for some time on eliminating our transporter-erector in favor of an alternative vertical conop, and we’ll now go directly to that; so we don’t need a new transporter-erector.

We will fly again before the end of this year. Gradatim Ferociter.
https://x.com/davill/status/2061655383610114124

RochdalePioneers · June 2

ozymandias said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Digwa really is scum isn't he?
FIFY
That isn't fixing it. Murdering arsehole has been convicted and jailed. Justice.
Next we need the officers who utterly failed to show concern for their prisoner to face justice. At the very least its a gross failure of their duties

But Farage? He's trying to fan flames to incite a political reaction. For votes, not out of concern.

We need less hate and division in this country, not more.
And what was Starmer doing exactly then he took the knee. Was he doing it for political advantage and votes?

I wouldn't have taken the knee like that. Then again I think there is a world of difference between trying to calm racial tensions and hoping to inflame them.

Again, there's too much hate as it is. Its not our fault that Farage has been outflanked by Rupert Lower, but that doesn't mean that we should just accept a return to open racism because it suits some politicians.

Whats next - pogroms?

Malmesbury · June 2

Stereodog said:

algarkirk said:
Anyone who follows cricket or football knows that instant judgments are hard and sometimes got wrong. Lots of people can then spend weeks studying the footage, drawing conclusions, and criticising the umpire or referee, who acts in real time with instant decisions.

Police are frequently in such situations, only massively multiplied in complexity, misdirection horrible consequences and gravity. We should start from the significance of that situation.
To a point but to use your analogy it's like the Umpires standing around a batter flat out on the ground complaining of a head injury and accusing him of wearing a non regulation helmet. It might be true and a later investigation would establish that but your immediate concern is to treat the injury. I've watched the footage and clearly there is something very wrong with Nowak and that should have been the police immediate concern but it wasn't.

I would be interested to hear when, in the timeline, they called for an ambulance. And when they started checking him for punctures.

theProle · June 2

algarkirk said:
Comment on the 'worth of going to university' figures. The question was:

Q. A university education isn't worth the amount of time and money it usually takes

Which places a medical degree from Oxford in the same category as a degree in Tea Warming Studies at Gasworks Road University, and also places a qualifier (usually) in a weird position.

It is more or less unthinkable that anyone places those two dissimilar things in exactly the same position WRT to 'worth'.

So what it is really testing is how many people can spot a meaningless question.

This is unworthy of the BSA survey.

It's a tricky question to pose, because, as noted, not all degrees are equal.
But how does one track society's attitude to the value of a university degree except by such questions?

It seems probable that society's view is changing on this topic, if only because university is (probably) perceived as increasingly expensive, and graduates seem to be finding it tougher to enter the labour market.

If you were only polling graduates, one could ask about their perception of the value of their degree, but that's not very helpful for measuring the population as a whole.

Pulpstar · June 2

Whole family who were present need life imprisonment. Accessories to murder.

Coppers need firing, at the very least, for gross misconduct "Sure you have" - what a disgusting comment to make.

Digwa's family shame Sikhs and the copper with the bodycam shames the police.

OldKingCole · June 2

eek said:

williamglenn said:
Burnham the bottler

https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2061727422827954385

Exclusive: Andy Burnham will not call an early election if he becomes PM

His spokesperson says he is ruling out a snap election
We elected an MP, MPs decide to replace their leader - nothing there says a new leader needs to call a new election. I don't remember elections in 2016 or two in 2022...

I'm not normally particularly cynical but if Burnham wins something like 75% of the popular vote in Makerfield we might see a different opinion developing.

Of course, whoever leads Labour in the autumn will have 400 or so supporting MP''s in the Commons.

RochdalePioneers · June 2

algarkirk said:

OldKingCole said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Farage really is scum isn't he?
Yes, but what's he done this time?

His Reform councillors in Essex are insisting that County Council meetings open with the Lords Prayer and end with the singing of the National Anthem.
I am no friend of Reform, and distrust entirely the new found fondness of the right for certain forms of religion while denying the substance. But as the House of Commons and the House of Lords begin each day with prayer, and the national anthem is exactly what it says on the tin, I think it is sub optimal to make too much of it.

Agreed. Its virtue signalling. Refukers claim to hate virtue signalling and then launch into virtue signalling.

If I was an Essicks councillor I'd let them do their prayers and then hold them to the flame over what they do, which always has more relevance than what they say.

Sandpit · June 2

williamglenn said:
Burnham the bottler

https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2061727422827954385

Exclusive: Andy Burnham will not call an early election if he becomes PM

His spokesperson says he is ruling out a snap election

Why would he want to trade a massive majority for a hung Parliament at best?

Stuartinromford · June 2

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Roger said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Taz said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr
It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍
I value integrity and on this occasion wanted to produce the actual clip which I have done

On the wider point of hounding posters from the site that does happen but I am not going anywhere
I don't think anyone would be happy to lose the site's last living Tory!

Having said that Sky is a very poor News Channel-only marginally better than Fox News- and Trevor Phillips is the worst of them.
Sky News has won news channel of the year, and is the ninth year in a row, at the Royal Television Society (RTS) Awards.

Yousra Elbagir has been named television journalist of the year

Yalda Hakim, who hosts international news show The World With Yalda Hakim, won presenter of the year

Home news correspondent Mollie Malone was named emerging talent of the year

24 Hours In The Kill Zone by international news correspondent John Sparks won in the digital journalism category.

Deborah Haynes is also an excellent defence correspondent

It is noticeable that apart from John Sparks, they are all women

It's a very thin field of rivals, though.

BBC News is essentially their World Service on TV- not a bad thing in itself, but a different creature with a different focus.

GB News is... terrifying. And that's about it. There isn't really enough money or audience to sustain 24 hour rolling permanews in the UK. Or, if we're honest, enough news.

And to try to synthesise the unpleasantness of the last 18 hours, there's quite a gap between "Sam Coates and Adam Boulton think X" and "X is the case". A smaller gap than for many of their colleagues in other parts of the media, but plenty big enough.

Malmesbury · June 2

Nigelb said:
The Blue Origin disaster wasn't quite the setback it could easily have been.
They got lucky.

Some LC-36 updates. Now that we’ve had access to the pad and integration facility we can share a bit of good news. The propellant farm, oxygen, liquid hydrogen and LNG tanks are all in good shape. This is good luck because these are very long lead items. The water tower is also good. The big support tower is damaged, but it can be repaired in place rather than torn down and replaced. The booster “Never Tell Me The Odds” and the three GS-2s that were onsite in the integration facility also look good.

I’ve seen some speculation that we might move directly to the 9x4 configuration, but we won’t do that. Rate manufacturing of 7x2 is going well, and we’re going to continue that at pace as planned and store the stages for use. In addition, we had already been working for some time on eliminating our transporter-erector in favor of an alternative vertical conop, and we’ll now go directly to that; so we don’t need a new transporter-erector.

We will fly again before the end of this year. Gradatim Ferociter.
https://x.com/davill/status/2061655383610114124

Good luck on getting it done by the end of the year.

The support tower might well be harder to fix safely than build a new one. Rapidly fabricating sections offsite is one thing. Getting people close enough to a huge mass of steel with damaged support, to stabilise it… then cutting out the damage. Not something I would like to do.

Sunil_Prasannan · June 2

RochdalePioneers said:

ozymandias said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Digwa really is scum isn't he?
FIFY
That isn't fixing it. Murdering arsehole has been convicted and jailed. Justice.
Next we need the officers who utterly failed to show concern for their prisoner to face justice. At the very least its a gross failure of their duties

But Farage? He's trying to fan flames to incite a political reaction. For votes, not out of concern.

We need less hate and division in this country, not more.
And what was Starmer doing exactly then he took the knee. Was he doing it for political advantage and votes?
I wouldn't have taken the knee like that. Then again I think there is a world of difference between trying to calm racial tensions and hoping to inflame them.

Again, there's too much hate as it is. Its not our fault that Farage has been outflanked by Rupert Lower, but that doesn't mean that we should just accept a return to open racism because it suits some politicians.

Whats next - pogroms?

It was a white guy who was stabbed...

Sunil_Prasannan · June 2

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:
Burnham the bottler

https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2061727422827954385

Exclusive: Andy Burnham will not call an early election if he becomes PM

His spokesperson says he is ruling out a snap election
Why would he want to trade a massive majority for a hung Parliament at best?

Theresa May says "Nothing has changed!"

Sunil_Prasannan · June 2

Malmesbury said:

Nigelb said:

NickPalmer said:

Nigelb said:
Has the mayor finally found something popular to do ?

Sadiq Khan vows to overrule residents’ group’s objections to Soho bars and restaurants
London mayor says Soho Society’s decision to challenge all new licensing applications is ‘bad’ for city
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/01/khan-vows-to-overrule-residents-groups-objections-to-soho-bars-and-restaurants
Finally? My impression is that he'll be re-elected if he stands again, irrespective of his views on Soho bars.
I meant with the PB commentariat.
Outside PB, there are quite a few people who really don’t like Khan.

My Mum absolutely loathes him!

Sunil_Prasannan · June 2

Stuartinromford said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Roger said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Taz said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr
It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍
I value integrity and on this occasion wanted to produce the actual clip which I have done

On the wider point of hounding posters from the site that does happen but I am not going anywhere
I don't think anyone would be happy to lose the site's last living Tory!

Having said that Sky is a very poor News Channel-only marginally better than Fox News- and Trevor Phillips is the worst of them.
Sky News has won news channel of the year, and is the ninth year in a row, at the Royal Television Society (RTS) Awards.

Yousra Elbagir has been named television journalist of the year

Yalda Hakim, who hosts international news show The World With Yalda Hakim, won presenter of the year

Home news correspondent Mollie Malone was named emerging talent of the year

24 Hours In The Kill Zone by international news correspondent John Sparks won in the digital journalism category.

Deborah Haynes is also an excellent defence correspondent

It is noticeable that apart from John Sparks, they are all women

It's a very thin field of rivals, though.

BBC News is essentially their World Service on TV- not a bad thing in itself, but a different creature with a different focus.

GB News is... terrifying. And that's about it. There isn't really enough money or audience to sustain 24 hour rolling permanews in the UK. Or, if we're honest, enough news.

And to try to synthesise the unpleasantness of the last 18 hours, there's quite a gap between "Sam Coates and Adam Boulton think X" and "X is the case". A smaller gap than for many of their colleagues in other parts of the media, but plenty big enough.

I only watch GB News for "research" purposes...

Nigelb · June 2

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:
Burnham the bottler

https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2061727422827954385

Exclusive: Andy Burnham will not call an early election if he becomes PM

His spokesperson says he is ruling out a snap election
Why would he want to trade a massive majority for a hung Parliament at best?

Absolutely no reason, but there has been a lot of speculation about it, which he's probably decided to kill ?

ozymandias · June 2

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:

ozymandias said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Digwa really is scum isn't he?
FIFY
That isn't fixing it. Murdering arsehole has been convicted and jailed. Justice.
Next we need the officers who utterly failed to show concern for their prisoner to face justice. At the very least its a gross failure of their duties

But Farage? He's trying to fan flames to incite a political reaction. For votes, not out of concern.

We need less hate and division in this country, not more.
And what was Starmer doing exactly then he took the knee. Was he doing it for political advantage and votes?
I wouldn't have taken the knee like that. Then again I think there is a world of difference between trying to calm racial tensions and hoping to inflame them.

Again, there's too much hate as it is. Its not our fault that Farage has been outflanked by Rupert Lower, but that doesn't mean that we should just accept a return to open racism because it suits some politicians.

Whats next - pogroms?
It was a white guy who was stabbed...

If this situation had been reversed there’d be burning cars in the streets already. But you know.

OldKingCole · June 2

theProle said:

algarkirk said:
Comment on the 'worth of going to university' figures. The question was:

Q. A university education isn't worth the amount of time and money it usually takes

Which places a medical degree from Oxford in the same category as a degree in Tea Warming Studies at Gasworks Road University, and also places a qualifier (usually) in a weird position.

It is more or less unthinkable that anyone places those two dissimilar things in exactly the same position WRT to 'worth'.

So what it is really testing is how many people can spot a meaningless question.

This is unworthy of the BSA survey.

It's a tricky question to pose, because, as noted, not all degrees are equal.
But how does one track society's attitude to the value of a university degree except by such questions?

It seems probable that society's view is changing on this topic, if only because university is (probably) perceived as increasingly expensive, and graduates seem to be finding it tougher to enter the labour market.

If you were only polling graduates, one could ask about their perception of the value of their degree, but that's not very helpful for measuring the population as a whole.

I think recent experience will have coloured perceptions somewhat. One grandson was at university during the pandemic. His overall experience was nothing like that of other members of the family, before or since. Spent most of his time reading and researching as I understand it; no trips, few lectures, very little socialising of any kind.

Big_G_NorthWales · June 2

Stuartinromford said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Roger said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Taz said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr
It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍
I value integrity and on this occasion wanted to produce the actual clip which I have done

On the wider point of hounding posters from the site that does happen but I am not going anywhere
I don't think anyone would be happy to lose the site's last living Tory!

Having said that Sky is a very poor News Channel-only marginally better than Fox News- and Trevor Phillips is the worst of them.
Sky News has won news channel of the year, and is the ninth year in a row, at the Royal Television Society (RTS) Awards.

Yousra Elbagir has been named television journalist of the year

Yalda Hakim, who hosts international news show The World With Yalda Hakim, won presenter of the year

Home news correspondent Mollie Malone was named emerging talent of the year

24 Hours In The Kill Zone by international news correspondent John Sparks won in the digital journalism category.

Deborah Haynes is also an excellent defence correspondent

It is noticeable that apart from John Sparks, they are all women

It's a very thin field of rivals, though.

BBC News is essentially their World Service on TV- not a bad thing in itself, but a different creature with a different focus.

GB News is... terrifying. And that's about it. There isn't really enough money or audience to sustain 24 hour rolling permanews in the UK. Or, if we're honest, enough news.

And to try to synthesise the unpleasantness of the last 18 hours, there's quite a gap between "Sam Coates and Adam Boulton think X" and "X is the case". A smaller gap than for many of their colleagues in other parts of the media, but plenty big enough.

Adam Boulton is very much labour and now I have posted the clip others can make their mind up about Boulton's comments

One or two posters made it unnecessarily unpleasant

Taz · June 2

bondegezou said:

Taz said:

bondegezou said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

williamglenn said:
Bodycam footage of the arrest of Henry Nowak has been released. It's extremely harrowing to watch.
The difference between Starmer's lack of interest and his posturing obsession about George Floyd seems to have broken thorough.

I've heard this contrast mentioned by three different people during the last few days.
How are they comparable? People have always murdered other people and, sadly, will go on doing so. The point about George Floyd that makes his case different is that he was murdered by law enforcement, exactly the people who are meant to protect us. It was the abuse of state power that made the Floyd case significant. The police made errors in the Nowak case, but they didn’t murder anyone, they didn’t try to murder anyone.
Both cases are about police restraining someone who later died.
No. In the George Floyd case, Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, a police officer. He didn’t happen to die later. He didn’t die because of some other reason.
While Floyd was deemed a threat by the Minnesota police who had to be restrained whereas Nowak was already badly wounded and no threat but was still handcuffed by the Hampshire plods.

This is all just dancing around a pinhead.

The Minnesota police behaved badly and the Hampshire plods behaved badly.

The connection is police misconduct.

And the external issue which has had an impact is the posturing from Starmer about Floyd compared to his indifference about the Nowak.
Lumping both cases together as “behaved badly” is ridiculous. In one case, a police officer murdered someone. In the other case, the police didn’t murder anyone.
They just let him bleed to death...
They did not know at first that he was bleeding. They soon realised their error, but he died before they could do anything about it. At no point did they knowingly let him bleed to death.

They made a mistake, but they’re not responsible for Nowak’s death. The man responsible for Nowak’s death was Vickrum Digwa, who has rightfully received a life sentence.
He told them he’d been stabbed and they didn’t believe him.

They may not be directly responsible for his death and they are very fortunate that an expert opinion has said the injuries were unsurvivable but their conduct was poor all,the same.
Yes, their conduct was poor. Their conduct was not, however, comparable to murder. They guy who murdered Nowak was Digwa.

Thanks for pointing that out to me.

Please let me know where I claimed otherwise.

Oh, I didn’t. 🙄

MattW · June 2

algarkirk said:

OldKingCole said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Farage really is scum isn't he?
Yes, but what's he done this time?

His Reform councillors in Essex are insisting that County Council meetings open with the Lords Prayer and end with the singing of the National Anthem.
I am no friend of Reform, and distrust entirely the new found fondness of the right for certain forms of religion while denying the substance. But as the House of Commons and the House of Lords begin each day with prayer, and the national anthem is exactly what it says on the tin, I think it is sub optimal to make too much of it.

Some campaigners on the left are using it as an issue with which to beat Reform over the head. It's fair game where, for example, a Council spends an hour of it's first meeting debating this rather than say adult education, but the issue itself is a moot point - as you say.

In 2012 the National Secular Society won one of their trolling Judicial Reviews that declared Local Councils (in this case Bideford Town Council) had no power to hold prayers, so a couple of years later Mr Cameron passed a law that said that Councils DO have that power.

There are plenty of serious things with which to beat Ref UK, without the need to do this kind of thing.

https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2014/12/nss-accuses-government-of-undermining-religious-freedom-by-backing-new-council-prayers-bill

algarkirk · June 2

theProle said:

algarkirk said:
Comment on the 'worth of going to university' figures. The question was:

Q. A university education isn't worth the amount of time and money it usually takes

Which places a medical degree from Oxford in the same category as a degree in Tea Warming Studies at Gasworks Road University, and also places a qualifier (usually) in a weird position.

It is more or less unthinkable that anyone places those two dissimilar things in exactly the same position WRT to 'worth'.

So what it is really testing is how many people can spot a meaningless question.

This is unworthy of the BSA survey.

It's a tricky question to pose, because, as noted, not all degrees are equal.
But how does one track society's attitude to the value of a university degree except by such questions?

It seems probable that society's view is changing on this topic, if only because university is (probably) perceived as increasingly expensive, and graduates seem to be finding it tougher to enter the labour market.

If you were only polling graduates, one could ask about their perception of the value of their degree, but that's not very helpful for measuring the population as a whole.

How to track? By the hard work of qualitative study, allowing for meaningful discriminations and not the simplistic task of asking bogus questions in which nuanced answers are not allowed.

The BSA knows perfectly well from examining its own mind and going to the pub that almost everyone, and everyone with a thought out view, has a nuanced and complex approach to the value of education, FE and HE, has views on who should pay and why, has views on education as an intrinsic and an extrinsic value and places higher values on some things than others.

No proper and serious professional in social studies could possibly reduce this mix to a 'Yes' or 'No' unqualified general question.

Nigelb · June 2

For TSE.

For forty years, this phrase has heralded the summer:
"There are no more French players at Roland-Garros."
https://x.com/BrunoTertrais/status/2061555993201328564

RochdalePioneers · June 2

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:

ozymandias said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Digwa really is scum isn't he?
FIFY
That isn't fixing it. Murdering arsehole has been convicted and jailed. Justice.
Next we need the officers who utterly failed to show concern for their prisoner to face justice. At the very least its a gross failure of their duties

But Farage? He's trying to fan flames to incite a political reaction. For votes, not out of concern.

We need less hate and division in this country, not more.
And what was Starmer doing exactly then he took the knee. Was he doing it for political advantage and votes?
I wouldn't have taken the knee like that. Then again I think there is a world of difference between trying to calm racial tensions and hoping to inflame them.

Again, there's too much hate as it is. Its not our fault that Farage has been outflanked by Rupert Lower, but that doesn't mean that we should just accept a return to open racism because it suits some politicians.

Whats next - pogroms?
It was a white guy who was stabbed...

And Farage is trying to provoke white men by banging on about two-tier policing.

IanB2 · June 2

High up in the prealps, they speak, or used to, a language called Cimbrian, of which I have not heard. I believe it’s nearly gone the way of Cornish, and is an Italian-influenced Germanic language, although from the fondness for the letter Z on the signs you’d guess it came from further east. There’s also a NATO nuclear bunker up here, deep inside Italy’s second largest forest.

Photo, an old Cimbrian village, DFS.

kinabalu · June 2

Sandpit said:

williamglenn said:
Burnham the bottler

https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2061727422827954385

Exclusive: Andy Burnham will not call an early election if he becomes PM

His spokesperson says he is ruling out a snap election
Why would he want to trade a massive majority for a hung Parliament at best?

Exactly. There really is no chance of this and everybody knows it. Otoh political opponents will say he should, their motive for this being to try and build up an impression of illegitimacy. Which is fair enough. It'd be the same if the boot was on the other foot. But it's 100% not happening.

Sunil_Prasannan · June 2

RochdalePioneers said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:

ozymandias said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Digwa really is scum isn't he?
FIFY
That isn't fixing it. Murdering arsehole has been convicted and jailed. Justice.
Next we need the officers who utterly failed to show concern for their prisoner to face justice. At the very least its a gross failure of their duties

But Farage? He's trying to fan flames to incite a political reaction. For votes, not out of concern.

We need less hate and division in this country, not more.
And what was Starmer doing exactly then he took the knee. Was he doing it for political advantage and votes?
I wouldn't have taken the knee like that. Then again I think there is a world of difference between trying to calm racial tensions and hoping to inflame them.

Again, there's too much hate as it is. Its not our fault that Farage has been outflanked by Rupert Lower, but that doesn't mean that we should just accept a return to open racism because it suits some politicians.

Whats next - pogroms?
It was a white guy who was stabbed...
And Farage is trying to provoke white men by banging on about two-tier policing.

Digwa is scum, isn't he?

MattW · June 2

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Stuartinromford said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Roger said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Taz said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr
It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍
I value integrity and on this occasion wanted to produce the actual clip which I have done

On the wider point of hounding posters from the site that does happen but I am not going anywhere
I don't think anyone would be happy to lose the site's last living Tory!

Having said that Sky is a very poor News Channel-only marginally better than Fox News- and Trevor Phillips is the worst of them.
Sky News has won news channel of the year, and is the ninth year in a row, at the Royal Television Society (RTS) Awards.

Yousra Elbagir has been named television journalist of the year

Yalda Hakim, who hosts international news show The World With Yalda Hakim, won presenter of the year

Home news correspondent Mollie Malone was named emerging talent of the year

24 Hours In The Kill Zone by international news correspondent John Sparks won in the digital journalism category.

Deborah Haynes is also an excellent defence correspondent

It is noticeable that apart from John Sparks, they are all women

It's a very thin field of rivals, though.

BBC News is essentially their World Service on TV- not a bad thing in itself, but a different creature with a different focus.

GB News is... terrifying. And that's about it. There isn't really enough money or audience to sustain 24 hour rolling permanews in the UK. Or, if we're honest, enough news.

And to try to synthesise the unpleasantness of the last 18 hours, there's quite a gap between "Sam Coates and Adam Boulton think X" and "X is the case". A smaller gap than for many of their colleagues in other parts of the media, but plenty big enough.
I only watch GB News for "research" purposes...

I was promoting cycling over there last week, and explaining why the new Through Traffic Free Country Lanes in Oxfordshire are excellent for drivers of motor vehicles.

MarqueeMark · June 2

OldKingCole said:

eek said:

williamglenn said:
Burnham the bottler

https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2061727422827954385

Exclusive: Andy Burnham will not call an early election if he becomes PM

His spokesperson says he is ruling out a snap election
We elected an MP, MPs decide to replace their leader - nothing there says a new leader needs to call a new election. I don't remember elections in 2016 or two in 2022...
I'm not normally particularly cynical but if Burnham wins something like 75% of the popular vote in Makerfield we might see a different opinion developing.

Of course, whoever leads Labour in the autumn will have 400 or so supporting MP''s in the Commons.

Over half of whom willl lose their seats in a snap election.

RochdalePioneers · June 2

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Stuartinromford said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Roger said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Taz said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr
It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍
I value integrity and on this occasion wanted to produce the actual clip which I have done

On the wider point of hounding posters from the site that does happen but I am not going anywhere
I don't think anyone would be happy to lose the site's last living Tory!

Having said that Sky is a very poor News Channel-only marginally better than Fox News- and Trevor Phillips is the worst of them.
Sky News has won news channel of the year, and is the ninth year in a row, at the Royal Television Society (RTS) Awards.

Yousra Elbagir has been named television journalist of the year

Yalda Hakim, who hosts international news show The World With Yalda Hakim, won presenter of the year

Home news correspondent Mollie Malone was named emerging talent of the year

24 Hours In The Kill Zone by international news correspondent John Sparks won in the digital journalism category.

Deborah Haynes is also an excellent defence correspondent

It is noticeable that apart from John Sparks, they are all women

It's a very thin field of rivals, though.

BBC News is essentially their World Service on TV- not a bad thing in itself, but a different creature with a different focus.

GB News is... terrifying. And that's about it. There isn't really enough money or audience to sustain 24 hour rolling permanews in the UK. Or, if we're honest, enough news.

And to try to synthesise the unpleasantness of the last 18 hours, there's quite a gap between "Sam Coates and Adam Boulton think X" and "X is the case". A smaller gap than for many of their colleagues in other parts of the media, but plenty big enough.
Adam Boulton is very much labour and now I have posted the clip others can make their mind up about Boulton's comments

One or two posters made it unnecessarily unpleasant

Here's the truth - all media is biased, and always has been. We have licenses to try and force "balance" onto coverage, but that doesn't change the simple reality that people report the news and in doing so are prone to submit their subjective opinions. And it's all subjective. What is the story? The angle? The big picture? The choice of question asked? The choice of quote clipped. The choice of shots used. There is no such thing as unbiased because media is subjected. Mediated.

So I get endlessly bemused when all sides complain that the media are biased. Of course it is.

Big_G_NorthWales · June 2

I am not sure if this poll has been posted but despite everything thrown at Farage and reform they still remain the one to beat

I am really not sure how this works out in Makerfield but Burnham may have a fight on his hands

Election Maps UK

Westminster Voting Intention:

RFM: 27% (+3)
LAB: 18% (+1)
CON: 18% (-1)
GRN: 15% (-1)
LDM: 13% (-1)
RES: 3% (=)

YouGov
31 May - 1 Jun.
Changes w/ 25-26 May.

Sandpit · June 2

Malmesbury said:

Nigelb said:
The Blue Origin disaster wasn't quite the setback it could easily have been.
They got lucky.

Some LC-36 updates. Now that we’ve had access to the pad and integration facility we can share a bit of good news. The propellant farm, oxygen, liquid hydrogen and LNG tanks are all in good shape. This is good luck because these are very long lead items. The water tower is also good. The big support tower is damaged, but it can be repaired in place rather than torn down and replaced. The booster “Never Tell Me The Odds” and the three GS-2s that were onsite in the integration facility also look good.

I’ve seen some speculation that we might move directly to the 9x4 configuration, but we won’t do that. Rate manufacturing of 7x2 is going well, and we’re going to continue that at pace as planned and store the stages for use. In addition, we had already been working for some time on eliminating our transporter-erector in favor of an alternative vertical conop, and we’ll now go directly to that; so we don’t need a new transporter-erector.

We will fly again before the end of this year. Gradatim Ferociter.
https://x.com/davill/status/2061655383610114124
Good luck on getting it done by the end of the year.

The support tower might well be harder to fix safely than build a new one. Rapidly fabricating sections offsite is one thing. Getting people close enough to a huge mass of steel with damaged support, to stabilise it… then cutting out the damage. Not something I would like to do.

It was surprising he said that they can fix that tower, but it’s reinforced and they’ll have plenty of structural engineers around the place. Still wouldn’t want to be on the repair crew though!

They got very lucky the damage didn’t extend much further around the facility, given the size of the explosion.

I guess rocket science is still hard!

Stereodog · June 2

Malmesbury said:

Stereodog said:

Cookie said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

bondegezou said:

another_richard said:

williamglenn said:
Bodycam footage of the arrest of Henry Nowak has been released. It's extremely harrowing to watch.
The difference between Starmer's lack of interest and his posturing obsession about George Floyd seems to have broken thorough.

I've heard this contrast mentioned by three different people during the last few days.
How are they comparable? People have always murdered other people and, sadly, will go on doing so. The point about George Floyd that makes his case different is that he was murdered by law enforcement, exactly the people who are meant to protect us. It was the abuse of state power that made the Floyd case significant. The police made errors in the Nowak case, but they didn’t murder anyone, they didn’t try to murder anyone.
Both cases are about police restraining someone who later died.
No. In the George Floyd case, Floyd was murdered by Derek Chauvin, a police officer. He didn’t happen to die later. He didn’t die because of some other reason.
While Floyd was deemed a threat by the Minnesota police who had to be restrained whereas Nowak was already badly wounded and no threat but was still handcuffed by the Hampshire plods.

This is all just dancing around a pinhead.

The Minnesota police behaved badly and the Hampshire plods behaved badly.

The connection is police misconduct.

And the external issue which has had an impact is the posturing from Starmer about Floyd compared to his indifference about the Nowak.
Lumping both cases together as “behaved badly” is ridiculous. In one case, a police officer murdered someone. In the other case, the police didn’t murder anyone.
They just let him bleed to death...
One was a violent criminal with form for brutality - the other was a student from Essex who'd had one and a half pints. But, you know, someone had called him a racist.
Against my inclination I did just watch the body cam footage. The police clearly assumed that Nowak was drunk and had fallen trying to climb the fence of the house that he collapsed at. You can see why the police might have made that assumption in isolation (he's lying on the griund slurring) but the odd thing is the killer and his associates are crowded round making accusations about being beaten up whilst looking absolutely fine (clearly visible from the body cam) with Nowak insensible on the ground. Regardless of what they think, the police seem to show little concern for Nowak's wellbeing and are far more interested in handcuffing and reading him his rights.
It is, I think, an example of the danger of categorising people into groups and then using that group to define how you treat them.

I know of a case where a hit and run victim was assumed by the police to be a drunk in the gutter. And then was treated as such.

Yes I agree. I think the police made an assumption based on the first thing they heard (appallingly as it turned out from the killer) which coloured their subsequent analysis of the situation. I'm not 100% convinced that it was a racial thing rather than that someone had told them they were assaulted and they siloed their mind to deal with that 'crime' rather than focus on what should have been their immediate priority.

I've watched a lot of those US bodycam traffic stop footage (yeah I know) and it's remarkable how aggressive they have to be in pulling people out of the car and cuffing them because of the reasonable worry that the person might have a gun. I'm not saying that UK cops don't have to be concerned about such things but their immediate cuffing of Nowak looks out of place in the UK.

Big_G_NorthWales · June 2

RochdalePioneers said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Stuartinromford said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Roger said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Taz said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr
It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍
I value integrity and on this occasion wanted to produce the actual clip which I have done

On the wider point of hounding posters from the site that does happen but I am not going anywhere
I don't think anyone would be happy to lose the site's last living Tory!

Having said that Sky is a very poor News Channel-only marginally better than Fox News- and Trevor Phillips is the worst of them.
Sky News has won news channel of the year, and is the ninth year in a row, at the Royal Television Society (RTS) Awards.

Yousra Elbagir has been named television journalist of the year

Yalda Hakim, who hosts international news show The World With Yalda Hakim, won presenter of the year

Home news correspondent Mollie Malone was named emerging talent of the year

24 Hours In The Kill Zone by international news correspondent John Sparks won in the digital journalism category.

Deborah Haynes is also an excellent defence correspondent

It is noticeable that apart from John Sparks, they are all women

It's a very thin field of rivals, though.

BBC News is essentially their World Service on TV- not a bad thing in itself, but a different creature with a different focus.

GB News is... terrifying. And that's about it. There isn't really enough money or audience to sustain 24 hour rolling permanews in the UK. Or, if we're honest, enough news.

And to try to synthesise the unpleasantness of the last 18 hours, there's quite a gap between "Sam Coates and Adam Boulton think X" and "X is the case". A smaller gap than for many of their colleagues in other parts of the media, but plenty big enough.
Adam Boulton is very much labour and now I have posted the clip others can make their mind up about Boulton's comments

One or two posters made it unnecessarily unpleasant
Here's the truth - all media is biased, and always has been. We have licenses to try and force "balance" onto coverage, but that doesn't change the simple reality that people report the news and in doing so are prone to submit their subjective opinions. And it's all subjective. What is the story? The angle? The big picture? The choice of question asked? The choice of quote clipped. The choice of shots used. There is no such thing as unbiased because media is subjected. Mediated.

So I get endlessly bemused when all sides complain that the media are biased. Of course it is.

There is a lot of truth in that

Pulpstar · June 2

RochdalePioneers said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Stuartinromford said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Roger said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Taz said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr
It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍
I value integrity and on this occasion wanted to produce the actual clip which I have done

On the wider point of hounding posters from the site that does happen but I am not going anywhere
I don't think anyone would be happy to lose the site's last living Tory!

Having said that Sky is a very poor News Channel-only marginally better than Fox News- and Trevor Phillips is the worst of them.
Sky News has won news channel of the year, and is the ninth year in a row, at the Royal Television Society (RTS) Awards.

Yousra Elbagir has been named television journalist of the year

Yalda Hakim, who hosts international news show The World With Yalda Hakim, won presenter of the year

Home news correspondent Mollie Malone was named emerging talent of the year

24 Hours In The Kill Zone by international news correspondent John Sparks won in the digital journalism category.

Deborah Haynes is also an excellent defence correspondent

It is noticeable that apart from John Sparks, they are all women

It's a very thin field of rivals, though.

BBC News is essentially their World Service on TV- not a bad thing in itself, but a different creature with a different focus.

GB News is... terrifying. And that's about it. There isn't really enough money or audience to sustain 24 hour rolling permanews in the UK. Or, if we're honest, enough news.

And to try to synthesise the unpleasantness of the last 18 hours, there's quite a gap between "Sam Coates and Adam Boulton think X" and "X is the case". A smaller gap than for many of their colleagues in other parts of the media, but plenty big enough.
Adam Boulton is very much labour and now I have posted the clip others can make their mind up about Boulton's comments

One or two posters made it unnecessarily unpleasant
Here's the truth - all media is biased, and always has been. We have licenses to try and force "balance" onto coverage, but that doesn't change the simple reality that people report the news and in doing so are prone to submit their subjective opinions. And it's all subjective. What is the story? The angle? The big picture? The choice of question asked? The choice of quote clipped. The choice of shots used. There is no such thing as unbiased because media is subjected. Mediated.

So I get endlessly bemused when all sides complain that the media are biased. Of course it is.

This is why the raw bodycam footage of the murder is so important. The unedited, unvarnished truth emerges for anyone with eyes and ears.

Sunil_Prasannan · June 2

Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure if this poll has been posted but despite everything thrown at Farage and reform they still remain the one to beat

I am really not sure how this works out in Makerfield but Burnham may have a fight on his hands

Election Maps UK

Westminster Voting Intention:

RFM: 27% (+3)
LAB: 18% (+1)
CON: 18% (-1)
GRN: 15% (-1)
LDM: 13% (-1)
RES: 3% (=)

YouGov
31 May - 1 Jun.
Changes w/ 25-26 May.

Sleazy, broken Tories, Greens, and LibDems on the slide!

RochdalePioneers · June 2

Big_G_NorthWales said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Stuartinromford said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Roger said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Taz said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr
It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍
I value integrity and on this occasion wanted to produce the actual clip which I have done

On the wider point of hounding posters from the site that does happen but I am not going anywhere
I don't think anyone would be happy to lose the site's last living Tory!

Having said that Sky is a very poor News Channel-only marginally better than Fox News- and Trevor Phillips is the worst of them.
Sky News has won news channel of the year, and is the ninth year in a row, at the Royal Television Society (RTS) Awards.

Yousra Elbagir has been named television journalist of the year

Yalda Hakim, who hosts international news show The World With Yalda Hakim, won presenter of the year

Home news correspondent Mollie Malone was named emerging talent of the year

24 Hours In The Kill Zone by international news correspondent John Sparks won in the digital journalism category.

Deborah Haynes is also an excellent defence correspondent

It is noticeable that apart from John Sparks, they are all women

It's a very thin field of rivals, though.

BBC News is essentially their World Service on TV- not a bad thing in itself, but a different creature with a different focus.

GB News is... terrifying. And that's about it. There isn't really enough money or audience to sustain 24 hour rolling permanews in the UK. Or, if we're honest, enough news.

And to try to synthesise the unpleasantness of the last 18 hours, there's quite a gap between "Sam Coates and Adam Boulton think X" and "X is the case". A smaller gap than for many of their colleagues in other parts of the media, but plenty big enough.
Adam Boulton is very much labour and now I have posted the clip others can make their mind up about Boulton's comments

One or two posters made it unnecessarily unpleasant
Here's the truth - all media is biased, and always has been. We have licenses to try and force "balance" onto coverage, but that doesn't change the simple reality that people report the news and in doing so are prone to submit their subjective opinions. And it's all subjective. What is the story? The angle? The big picture? The choice of question asked? The choice of quote clipped. The choice of shots used. There is no such thing as unbiased because media is subjected. Mediated.

So I get endlessly bemused when all sides complain that the media are biased. Of course it is.
There is a lot of truth in that

Thanks. The one big takeaway from my Journalism Degree - it's ALL biased and any competent hack will tell you why and how. They try and override this - report the truth etc. But whose truth...?

Brixian59 · June 2

RochdalePioneers said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Stuartinromford said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Roger said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Taz said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr
It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍
I value integrity and on this occasion wanted to produce the actual clip which I have done

On the wider point of hounding posters from the site that does happen but I am not going anywhere
I don't think anyone would be happy to lose the site's last living Tory!

Having said that Sky is a very poor News Channel-only marginally better than Fox News- and Trevor Phillips is the worst of them.
Sky News has won news channel of the year, and is the ninth year in a row, at the Royal Television Society (RTS) Awards.

Yousra Elbagir has been named television journalist of the year

Yalda Hakim, who hosts international news show The World With Yalda Hakim, won presenter of the year

Home news correspondent Mollie Malone was named emerging talent of the year

24 Hours In The Kill Zone by international news correspondent John Sparks won in the digital journalism category.

Deborah Haynes is also an excellent defence correspondent

It is noticeable that apart from John Sparks, they are all women

It's a very thin field of rivals, though.

BBC News is essentially their World Service on TV- not a bad thing in itself, but a different creature with a different focus.

GB News is... terrifying. And that's about it. There isn't really enough money or audience to sustain 24 hour rolling permanews in the UK. Or, if we're honest, enough news.

And to try to synthesise the unpleasantness of the last 18 hours, there's quite a gap between "Sam Coates and Adam Boulton think X" and "X is the case". A smaller gap than for many of their colleagues in other parts of the media, but plenty big enough.
Adam Boulton is very much labour and now I have posted the clip others can make their mind up about Boulton's comments

One or two posters made it unnecessarily unpleasant
Here's the truth - all media is biased, and always has been. We have licenses to try and force "balance" onto coverage, but that doesn't change the simple reality that people report the news and in doing so are prone to submit their subjective opinions. And it's all subjective. What is the story? The angle? The big picture? The choice of question asked? The choice of quote clipped. The choice of shots used. There is no such thing as unbiased because media is subjected. Mediated.

So I get endlessly bemused when all sides complain that the media are biased. Of course it is.

Saying Boulton is Labour is akin to claiming Kuenssberg is a Liberal Democrat and Christopher Hope a Green.

Utterly delusional

Battlebus · June 2

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Taz said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr
It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍
I value integrity and on this occasion wanted to produce the actual clip which I have done

On the wider point of hounding posters from the site that does happen but I am not going anywhere

What I find odd on a betting site (and Leon has commented as well) is that if you hound out those whose opinion you disagree with, the site becomes valueless. It's the challenge to your personal views (and betting position) that helps you refine your approach. It will cost you money if you simply follow the herd.

HYUFD · June 2

Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure if this poll has been posted but despite everything thrown at Farage and reform they still remain the one to beat

I am really not sure how this works out in Makerfield but Burnham may have a fight on his hands

Election Maps UK

Westminster Voting Intention:

RFM: 27% (+3)
LAB: 18% (+1)
CON: 18% (-1)
GRN: 15% (-1)
LDM: 13% (-1)
RES: 3% (=)

YouGov
31 May - 1 Jun.
Changes w/ 25-26 May.

He does, if Burnham wins the Makerfield by election the polling shows it will be as Restore split the Reform vote

Big_G_NorthWales · June 2

Brixian59 said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Stuartinromford said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Roger said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Taz said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr
It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍
I value integrity and on this occasion wanted to produce the actual clip which I have done

On the wider point of hounding posters from the site that does happen but I am not going anywhere
I don't think anyone would be happy to lose the site's last living Tory!

Having said that Sky is a very poor News Channel-only marginally better than Fox News- and Trevor Phillips is the worst of them.
Sky News has won news channel of the year, and is the ninth year in a row, at the Royal Television Society (RTS) Awards.

Yousra Elbagir has been named television journalist of the year

Yalda Hakim, who hosts international news show The World With Yalda Hakim, won presenter of the year

Home news correspondent Mollie Malone was named emerging talent of the year

24 Hours In The Kill Zone by international news correspondent John Sparks won in the digital journalism category.

Deborah Haynes is also an excellent defence correspondent

It is noticeable that apart from John Sparks, they are all women

It's a very thin field of rivals, though.

BBC News is essentially their World Service on TV- not a bad thing in itself, but a different creature with a different focus.

GB News is... terrifying. And that's about it. There isn't really enough money or audience to sustain 24 hour rolling permanews in the UK. Or, if we're honest, enough news.

And to try to synthesise the unpleasantness of the last 18 hours, there's quite a gap between "Sam Coates and Adam Boulton think X" and "X is the case". A smaller gap than for many of their colleagues in other parts of the media, but plenty big enough.
Adam Boulton is very much labour and now I have posted the clip others can make their mind up about Boulton's comments

One or two posters made it unnecessarily unpleasant
Here's the truth - all media is biased, and always has been. We have licenses to try and force "balance" onto coverage, but that doesn't change the simple reality that people report the news and in doing so are prone to submit their subjective opinions. And it's all subjective. What is the story? The angle? The big picture? The choice of question asked? The choice of quote clipped. The choice of shots used. There is no such thing as unbiased because media is subjected. Mediated.

So I get endlessly bemused when all sides complain that the media are biased. Of course it is.
Saying Boulton is Labour is akin to claiming Kuenssberg is a Liberal Democrat and Christopher Hope a Green.

Utterly delusional

Boulton and Mandelson have been friends for decades and prominent in Westminster establishment

Mexicanpete · June 2

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Stuartinromford said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Roger said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Taz said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr
It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍
I value integrity and on this occasion wanted to produce the actual clip which I have done

On the wider point of hounding posters from the site that does happen but I am not going anywhere
I don't think anyone would be happy to lose the site's last living Tory!

Having said that Sky is a very poor News Channel-only marginally better than Fox News- and Trevor Phillips is the worst of them.
Sky News has won news channel of the year, and is the ninth year in a row, at the Royal Television Society (RTS) Awards.

Yousra Elbagir has been named television journalist of the year

Yalda Hakim, who hosts international news show The World With Yalda Hakim, won presenter of the year

Home news correspondent Mollie Malone was named emerging talent of the year

24 Hours In The Kill Zone by international news correspondent John Sparks won in the digital journalism category.

Deborah Haynes is also an excellent defence correspondent

It is noticeable that apart from John Sparks, they are all women

It's a very thin field of rivals, though.

BBC News is essentially their World Service on TV- not a bad thing in itself, but a different creature with a different focus.

GB News is... terrifying. And that's about it. There isn't really enough money or audience to sustain 24 hour rolling permanews in the UK. Or, if we're honest, enough news.

And to try to synthesise the unpleasantness of the last 18 hours, there's quite a gap between "Sam Coates and Adam Boulton think X" and "X is the case". A smaller gap than for many of their colleagues in other parts of the media, but plenty big enough.
Adam Boulton is very much labour and now I have posted the clip others can make their mind up about Boulton's comments

One or two posters made it unnecessarily unpleasant

You are clearly alluding to me. I specifically disagreed with the point you made because even when you provided evidence of the Sky footage it did not back your analysis up.

Now you are being wholly disingenuous to the points I was making. I was not being personal although that is your defence. Now if you believe I have embarked on a personal vendetta against you that is wholly unacceptable. If you don't want me posting here I suggest you politely ask @TheScreamingEagles to remove me from the site.

Taz · June 2

RochdalePioneers said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:

ozymandias said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Digwa really is scum isn't he?
FIFY
That isn't fixing it. Murdering arsehole has been convicted and jailed. Justice.
Next we need the officers who utterly failed to show concern for their prisoner to face justice. At the very least its a gross failure of their duties

But Farage? He's trying to fan flames to incite a political reaction. For votes, not out of concern.

We need less hate and division in this country, not more.
And what was Starmer doing exactly then he took the knee. Was he doing it for political advantage and votes?
I wouldn't have taken the knee like that. Then again I think there is a world of difference between trying to calm racial tensions and hoping to inflame them.

Again, there's too much hate as it is. Its not our fault that Farage has been outflanked by Rupert Lower, but that doesn't mean that we should just accept a return to open racism because it suits some politicians.

Whats next - pogroms?
It was a white guy who was stabbed...
And Farage is trying to provoke white men by banging on about two-tier policing.

There clearly are questions that need answering as to the conduct of the Police that night. Especially when the victim told them he’d been stabbed, some Plod told him he hadn’t, and said he couldn’t breathe. Repeatedly.

Dura_Ace · June 2

Battlebus said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Taz said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr
It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍
I value integrity and on this occasion wanted to produce the actual clip which I have done

On the wider point of hounding posters from the site that does happen but I am not going anywhere
What I find odd on a betting site (and Leon has commented as well) is that if you hound out those whose opinion you disagree with, the site becomes valueless. It's the challenge to your personal views (and betting position) that helps you refine your approach. It will cost you money if you simply follow the herd.

I wish "hounding" were that easy. There's a few wankers I'd like to banish to the Shadow Realm.

RochdalePioneers · June 2

Brixian59 said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Stuartinromford said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Roger said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Taz said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr
It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍
I value integrity and on this occasion wanted to produce the actual clip which I have done

On the wider point of hounding posters from the site that does happen but I am not going anywhere
I don't think anyone would be happy to lose the site's last living Tory!

Having said that Sky is a very poor News Channel-only marginally better than Fox News- and Trevor Phillips is the worst of them.
Sky News has won news channel of the year, and is the ninth year in a row, at the Royal Television Society (RTS) Awards.

Yousra Elbagir has been named television journalist of the year

Yalda Hakim, who hosts international news show The World With Yalda Hakim, won presenter of the year

Home news correspondent Mollie Malone was named emerging talent of the year

24 Hours In The Kill Zone by international news correspondent John Sparks won in the digital journalism category.

Deborah Haynes is also an excellent defence correspondent

It is noticeable that apart from John Sparks, they are all women

It's a very thin field of rivals, though.

BBC News is essentially their World Service on TV- not a bad thing in itself, but a different creature with a different focus.

GB News is... terrifying. And that's about it. There isn't really enough money or audience to sustain 24 hour rolling permanews in the UK. Or, if we're honest, enough news.

And to try to synthesise the unpleasantness of the last 18 hours, there's quite a gap between "Sam Coates and Adam Boulton think X" and "X is the case". A smaller gap than for many of their colleagues in other parts of the media, but plenty big enough.
Adam Boulton is very much labour and now I have posted the clip others can make their mind up about Boulton's comments

One or two posters made it unnecessarily unpleasant
Here's the truth - all media is biased, and always has been. We have licenses to try and force "balance" onto coverage, but that doesn't change the simple reality that people report the news and in doing so are prone to submit their subjective opinions. And it's all subjective. What is the story? The angle? The big picture? The choice of question asked? The choice of quote clipped. The choice of shots used. There is no such thing as unbiased because media is subjected. Mediated.

So I get endlessly bemused when all sides complain that the media are biased. Of course it is.
Saying Boulton is Labour is akin to claiming Kuenssberg is a Liberal Democrat and Christopher Hope a Green.

Utterly delusional

Kuenssberg leans Tory. Robinson was a Tory. I assume we can agree on that? Boulton leans Labour now.

williamglenn · June 2

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure if this poll has been posted but despite everything thrown at Farage and reform they still remain the one to beat

I am really not sure how this works out in Makerfield but Burnham may have a fight on his hands

Election Maps UK

Westminster Voting Intention:

RFM: 27% (+3)
LAB: 18% (+1)
CON: 18% (-1)
GRN: 15% (-1)
LDM: 13% (-1)
RES: 3% (=)

YouGov
31 May - 1 Jun.
Changes w/ 25-26 May.
He does, if Burnham wins the Makerfield by election the polling shows it will be as Restore split the Reform vote

@dixiedean posted delphically last night that the mood in Makerfield has shifted.

Big_G_NorthWales · June 2

Mexicanpete said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Stuartinromford said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Roger said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Taz said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr
It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍
I value integrity and on this occasion wanted to produce the actual clip which I have done

On the wider point of hounding posters from the site that does happen but I am not going anywhere
I don't think anyone would be happy to lose the site's last living Tory!

Having said that Sky is a very poor News Channel-only marginally better than Fox News- and Trevor Phillips is the worst of them.
Sky News has won news channel of the year, and is the ninth year in a row, at the Royal Television Society (RTS) Awards.

Yousra Elbagir has been named television journalist of the year

Yalda Hakim, who hosts international news show The World With Yalda Hakim, won presenter of the year

Home news correspondent Mollie Malone was named emerging talent of the year

24 Hours In The Kill Zone by international news correspondent John Sparks won in the digital journalism category.

Deborah Haynes is also an excellent defence correspondent

It is noticeable that apart from John Sparks, they are all women

It's a very thin field of rivals, though.

BBC News is essentially their World Service on TV- not a bad thing in itself, but a different creature with a different focus.

GB News is... terrifying. And that's about it. There isn't really enough money or audience to sustain 24 hour rolling permanews in the UK. Or, if we're honest, enough news.

And to try to synthesise the unpleasantness of the last 18 hours, there's quite a gap between "Sam Coates and Adam Boulton think X" and "X is the case". A smaller gap than for many of their colleagues in other parts of the media, but plenty big enough.
Adam Boulton is very much labour and now I have posted the clip others can make their mind up about Boulton's comments

One or two posters made it unnecessarily unpleasant
You are clearly alluding to me. I specifically disagreed with the point you made because even when you provided evidence of the Sky footage it did not back your analysis up.

Now you are being wholly disingenuous to the points I was making. I was not being personal although that is your defence. Now if you believe I have embarked on a personal vendetta that is wholly unacceptable if you don't want me posting here I suggest you politely ask @TheScreamingEagles to remove me from the site.

No I am not referring to you to be fair and I did as you asked in finding the clip

We may disagree but there is no way I would seek for you or indeed anyone to leave the site

Theuniondivvie · June 2

Roger said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Taz said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
Good morning

There were unfair and frankly in a couple of posts insulting comments directed at me over my comments about a conversation on Sky with Sam Coates and Adam Boulton about an e mail about Ollie Robbins sacking

Ultimately I researched Sky news for over an hour and found the clip which I posted on the last thread yesterday evening with the actual words spoken by Boulton

He said 'the e mail suggests that actually the blame levelled at Ollie Robbins is not justified as the system had already approved it'

I was surprised that even this morning @Mexicanpete was raising it even though I had taken the time and effort to find and publish the clip which identifiers the e mail evidence

Posters can argue about interpretation but sadly there is no excuse for trying to discredit a poster who attempts to provide genuine information

Sky news has won numerous awards and is a recognised broadcaster and not known for bias like GB news

I hope this ends this unseemly argument

https://www.youtube.com/live/Bak2DEulc0Q?si=bBxZjQY8aT4j6ZCr
It’s the usual suspects. Why let it bother you. Remember DougSeal hounded Isam from the site a couple of years back. Don’t give them the power over you 👍
I value integrity and on this occasion wanted to produce the actual clip which I have done

On the wider point of hounding posters from the site that does happen but I am not going anywhere
I don't think anyone would be happy to lose the site's last living Tory!

Having said that Sky is a very poor News Channel-only marginally better than Fox News- and Trevor Phillips is the worst of them.

I’d put a word in for Alex Crawford who has some attachment to principle and objectivity. Also like a lot of women correspondents she doesn’t avoid danger.

OldKingCole · June 2

Taz said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:

ozymandias said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Digwa really is scum isn't he?
FIFY
That isn't fixing it. Murdering arsehole has been convicted and jailed. Justice.
Next we need the officers who utterly failed to show concern for their prisoner to face justice. At the very least its a gross failure of their duties

But Farage? He's trying to fan flames to incite a political reaction. For votes, not out of concern.

We need less hate and division in this country, not more.
And what was Starmer doing exactly then he took the knee. Was he doing it for political advantage and votes?
I wouldn't have taken the knee like that. Then again I think there is a world of difference between trying to calm racial tensions and hoping to inflame them.

Again, there's too much hate as it is. Its not our fault that Farage has been outflanked by Rupert Lower, but that doesn't mean that we should just accept a return to open racism because it suits some politicians.

Whats next - pogroms?
It was a white guy who was stabbed...
And Farage is trying to provoke white men by banging on about two-tier policing.
There clearly are questions that need answering as to the conduct of the Police that night. Especially when the victim told them he’d been stabbed, some Plod told him he hadn’t, and said he couldn’t breathe. Repeatedly.

I don't think there's much doubt that the police on the scene made a complete mess of it. I wonder what those on the scene felt when they had time to reflect.

Sandpit · June 2

Labour MP Jonathan Hinder, with the unlucky job of having to defend the indefensible on Newsnight last night.

https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/2061572264932319409

To be fair he does a pretty good job, says that the party needs to reflect and reinvent itself again as the party of the working class, stay away from middle-class culture war obsessions such as men in women’s toilets.

viewcode · June 2

williamglenn said:

HYUFD said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:
I am not sure if this poll has been posted but despite everything thrown at Farage and reform they still remain the one to beat

I am really not sure how this works out in Makerfield but Burnham may have a fight on his hands

Election Maps UK

Westminster Voting Intention:

RFM: 27% (+3)
LAB: 18% (+1)
CON: 18% (-1)
GRN: 15% (-1)
LDM: 13% (-1)
RES: 3% (=)

YouGov
31 May - 1 Jun.
Changes w/ 25-26 May.
He does, if Burnham wins the Makerfield by election the polling shows it will be as Restore split the Reform vote
@dixiedean posted delphically last night that the mood in Makerfield has shifted.

The FB feed told him that. I pointed out that the FB feed is not a reliable source

https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5563453/#Comment_5563453

RochdalePioneers · June 2

Sandpit said:
Labour MP Jonathan Hinder, with the unlucky job of having to defend the indefensible on Newsnight last night.

https://x.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/2061572264932319409

To be fair he does a pretty good job, says that the party needs to reflect and reinvent itself again as the party of the working class, stay away from middle-class culture war obsessions such as men in women’s toilets.

He's been on Newsnight quite a few times and I've liked him every time.

dixiedean · June 2

No FB it isn't a reliable source. I wasn't claiming it to be. But the mood on it has definitely shifted. The level of vitriol has upped considerably towards more personal attacks and claims of interference and unfairness.
Whether this is significant, I don't know. But it has been noticeable.

bondegezou · June 2

Malmesbury said:

Nigelb said:

NickPalmer said:

Nigelb said:
Has the mayor finally found something popular to do ?

Sadiq Khan vows to overrule residents’ group’s objections to Soho bars and restaurants
London mayor says Soho Society’s decision to challenge all new licensing applications is ‘bad’ for city
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/01/khan-vows-to-overrule-residents-groups-objections-to-soho-bars-and-restaurants
Finally? My impression is that he'll be re-elected if he stands again, irrespective of his views on Soho bars.
I meant with the PB commentariat.
Outside PB, there are quite a few people who really don’t like Khan. And they aren’t the Gammon Rcist Scum that seems to be the assumption about such people, here.

On the matter of licenses - this is a political issue, relating to large scale landlords wanting bars removed, and politicians politicking with local groups.

It will be interesting to see if anything happens. My guess is that it will fade again. The anti-license thing is strong in a section of local politics in inner London.

Khan got 44% in the last election, so, yeah, there are 56% who would rather have a different mayor. (Including me. I gave my first vote to Blackie.) I don't see anyone here presuming those 56% are all racist scum.

Malmesbury · June 2

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:

ozymandias said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Digwa really is scum isn't he?
FIFY
That isn't fixing it. Murdering arsehole has been convicted and jailed. Justice.
Next we need the officers who utterly failed to show concern for their prisoner to face justice. At the very least its a gross failure of their duties

But Farage? He's trying to fan flames to incite a political reaction. For votes, not out of concern.

We need less hate and division in this country, not more.
And what was Starmer doing exactly then he took the knee. Was he doing it for political advantage and votes?
I wouldn't have taken the knee like that. Then again I think there is a world of difference between trying to calm racial tensions and hoping to inflame them.

Again, there's too much hate as it is. Its not our fault that Farage has been outflanked by Rupert Lower, but that doesn't mean that we should just accept a return to open racism because it suits some politicians.

Whats next - pogroms?
It was a white guy who was stabbed...
And Farage is trying to provoke white men by banging on about two-tier policing.
Digwa is scum, isn't he?

Stabby, gai

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:

ozymandias said:

RochdalePioneers said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

RochdalePioneers said:
Digwa really is scum isn't he?
FIFY
That isn't fixing it. Murdering arsehole has been convicted and jailed. Justice.
Next we need the officers who utterly failed to show concern for their prisoner to face justice. At the very least its a gross failure of their duties

But Farage? He's trying to fan flames to incite a political reaction. For votes, not out of concern.

We need less hate and division in this country, not more.
And what was Starmer doing exactly then he took the knee. Was he doing it for political advantage and votes?
I wouldn't have taken the knee like that. Then again I think there is a world of difference between trying to calm racial tensions and hoping to inflame them.

Again, there's too much hate as it is. Its not our fault that Farage has been outflanked by Rupert Lower, but that doesn't mean that we should just accept a return to open racism because it suits some politicians.

Whats next - pogroms?
It was a white guy who was stabbed...
And Farage is trying to provoke white men by banging on about two-tier policing.
Digwa is scum, isn't he?

Stabby, hair trigger violent, fluent liar.

Has he been inducted into Tommy Lots Of Names cohorts, yet? He would fit in perfectly.

RochdalePioneers · June 2

dixiedean said:
No FB it isn't a reliable source. I wasn't claiming it to be. But the mood on it has definitely shifted. The level of vitriol has upped considerably towards more personal attacks and claims of interference and unfairness.
Whether this is significant, I don't know. But it has been noticeable.

Its this:

Reform will win because Labour are awful.
Restore hate Reform and think they are race traitors
Restore and Reform step up both their vitriol against each other and hurl rocks towards Burnham
The entire social media world is which one wins - Reform or Restore

Then Labour wins and we get the EVERYONE I KNOW VOTED REFORM / RESTORE THIS WAS STOLEN bullshit

viewcode · June 2

Another response to Blair's essay

https://averypublicsociologist.blogspot.com/2026/05/a-rare-and-unusual-intervention.html

Reform become the favourites for winning most seats again – politicalbetting.com

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