Dixie Dean at 11.40am Makerfield, as someone who lived there for a time and indeed stood for the Council may I just confirm that it is not made up of a number of towns but is one complete urban area with ward divisions with there own names, as occurs everywhere.. Re language: I am a "cockney" from Islington, but language was no problem! Also 40 years ago from my canvassing I recall there were plenty of ethnic Asian and Afro Caribbeans there, two were on our ward committee.
It's 98% ethnic white today. 96%+ White British. There wasn't a single non white at my Primary School in the 70's. Hindley, Ashton, Abram, Winstanley and Billinge and Orrell were all UDC's with their own Town Council and Mayors before 1974. I consider them to be towns. There are fields and fields between each of them. And occasionally stand alone villages. Towards the north it begins to merge into Wigan around Highfield, Winstanley and Worsley Mesnes.
I have also door-knocked almost entirely white communities and been told there is an immediate crisis with too many immigrants.
It doesn't matter that they do not see immigrants on their street and in their community. What they see are public services run down and defunded, and the physical landscape crumbling around them. And then on Facebook / Instagram / Twitter they see that migrants are responsible for this enshittification.
Thus they suffer the problems caused by migrants without there actually being any migrants. It makes no sense if you apply facts or logic, but this is now an emotional problem amongst the people who don't know how stuff works and don't want to know how it works.
We are seeing the biggest demographic transformation in our island's history. It's a bit naive to think it wouldn't be an issue with some people. And whilst many arrivals seek to integrate, many others have little to no interest in the indigenous culture.
And if we had said migrants in some of these areas I would understand the sentiment. But if you live in entirely white communities where there are non, how can people blame migrants for the poor local services there or crap housing options? It isn't migrants responsible as there aren't any.
I'm going to call "shenanigans" on that. The epic space station EVA battle is the peak of British special effects of the period (miniatures, everything in-camera) and looking at the final result there us plainly not a single "aargh" cry: to my ears it sounds like at least three distinct cries. Incidentally, the Wilhelm Scream isn't used either. Also incidentally, they should have made the bad guy lasers a different colour to the good guy lasers.
I'm not sure - listen around 1min in. They "incorporated" it into the scene still seems semi-plausible.
Also this is the vacuum of space; there should be no sound. And laser beams are essentially invisible.
Er, have you not seen Star Wars?
Almost as ludicrous. Although devotees could claim that we just don't understand the technology of an interstellar civilisation, or a universe where "the Force" prevails, it's basically a load of entertaining nonsense George Lucas came up with, and two generations of obsessive nerds have spent the half century since in trying to retcon some logic into the whole setup.
Labour lost touch with working people long ago. Took them for granted.
It is as much that the WWC have moved away from Labour rather than the other way around.
How on earth can a left of centre party appeal to people who want Farage as PM without shredding most of what it believes in?
There are still 16-18% who support the Greens and a similar number who are standard Labour. It's just about 25% who make you want to leave the country and have nothing more to do with it. Listening to the vox-pops in Makerfield is as about as depressing as it gets.
Frankly I'm more far more depressed by those who think the boob whisperer is the solution to any problem....
They seem to think more of exactly what has caused the economic (entitlements and state spending) and societal problems (immigration) is just the ticket. My drinking pals are mostly relatively left wing; when we have a bit of back and forth at the pub, the thing that always unites us is how the Greens are just on another planet....
On one of the vox-pops a girl said . '....there were these lads walking in front of us and they were speaking a foreign language....it was very scary'. I think Andy Burnham might be taking on more than he bargained for.
You just do not understand the intimidation young women feel these days do you ?
There are many reasons for women to feel intimidated by men but the men speaking a language other than English isn't one of them.
You don't understand people!
I'm not saying this doesn't happen, simply that it's not a valid reason in and of itself. Of course, people freak out about all sorts of things all the time. I am not unaware of how people behave.
It’s sadly common for men to use non-English to talk about women, in front of the women, in disgusting terms.
And even get offended, when they discover later that the women understood the language in question.
This may surprise you, but men also say disgusting things about women, in front of them as well as behind their backs and on the internet, in English. There is this thing called misogyny. There is also this thing called xenophobia, which leads people to assume the worst of other people based on them being "foreign". Neither are particularly useful or attractive forms of behaviour.
Some women say disgusting things about men as well.
That is true and some wives beat their husbands. The data would however suggest men are more likely than women to abuse their partners. Neither is acceptable of course.
Jack McConnell, the one former Scottish First Minister with an intact reputation, is calling for a joint parliamentary inquiry into Murrell-gate.
I think this will run and run, despite Swinney trying to close it down. Given that SNP were in receipt of considerable amounts of taxpayers' money (Short money), there seems to be no reason why not to proceed.
From The Scotsman:
"This is about the fact that the SNP were the third largest party at Westminster for the best part of 10 years. They received over that time millions of pounds of public money to organise their party affairs.
"Obviously there are also issues about signing off accounts, and how seriously that was all taken, and I think on all these areas there are issues to be looked at, and recommendations that must be made. So I think this should be a joint public inquiry.
"I think it should probably be led by the public accounts committee of the House of Commons but it should be done equally and jointly with the equivalent committee at Holyrood so it’s not seen to be the UK Parliament poking its nose into Scottish politics, but the issues about political party funding, about public money, and about the way in which the transparency of political parties’ use of small donations, the protection for small donors.
"These are issues that are UK-wide. They’re issues for the Electoral Commission and for the UK parliament."
Here's the problem: SNP voters Don't Care. There is no corruption in Scottish politics other than the Westminster authorities. No money for your council because the SNP choose to underfund it? That's the fault of Westminster not funding Scotland properly. NHS and Education declining on every measure? Would be fixed with Independence. Wasted vast sums on an incompetent ferry procurement strategy which leaves some islands practically cut off? See that Anas Sarwar - blame him.
Etc.
So what that the CEO of the SNP was a crook and they have failed to deliver the thing the funds were supposedly donated for. At least they're not English. Etc. And as all the parties pushing this enquiry are English (e.g Scottish Labour) then it further proves that its all a conspiracy by Westminster to subjugate the Scottish people.
Etc.
If one buys into your piss coloured spectacles reading of the situtation, one might think that the unionist parties with their massive support from the press and media (including the state broadcaster) might review why their support is continuing to decline. But no.
Here's a Scotch issue that might be of passing concern to you. Prediction: despite broadcasting being a devolved matter, Yoonery will immediately default to 'Why isn't the SNP fixing this' rather than using whatever shrivelled influence thay have at Westminster to change the situation.
You appear to be confusing me with unionists. I am not a unionist and neither is my party.
So, back on topic. More money per head than England and worse results.
Is that the fault of (a) England or (b) the Scottish government?
Didn;t you vote for a unionist party (sotto voce) in the last election, and one apparently more in tune with your inclinations?
I voted LibDem and now have a LD MSP.
Again with the point, we can't go on declining whilst the government are refusing to take any responsibility. We want stuff to get better. I can't even say it's better than in England - not with Education or Health any more. With grotesque regional biases based on where the SNP are hosing the cash. How can it make any sense for Glasgow to get more funding per pupil for school transport than Aberdeenshire? How many Glasgow kids need a 10 mile bus ride to school each day like mine do?
Can't keep up with all your constant stream of conscious bulletins about that topic of most interest to you, you, but I'm pretty sure you 'revealed' that you were now in most sympathy with conservative politics but were too scared to come out, and that you were considering voting SCon in the last election. I probably just imagined it..
I'm going to call "shenanigans" on that. The epic space station EVA battle is the peak of British special effects of the period (miniatures, everything in-camera) and looking at the final result there us plainly not a single "aargh" cry: to my ears it sounds like at least three distinct cries. Incidentally, the Wilhelm Scream isn't used either. Also incidentally, they should have made the bad guy lasers a different colour to the good guy lasers.
I'm not sure - listen around 1min in. They "incorporated" it into the scene still seems semi-plausible.
Also this is the vacuum of space; there should be no sound. And laser beams are essentially invisible.
Er, have you not seen Star Wars?
Almost as ludicrous. Although devotees could claim that we just don't understand the technology of an interstellar civilisation, or a universe where "the Force" prevails, it's basically a load of entertaining nonsense George Lucas came up with, and two generations of obsessive nerds have spent the half century since in trying to retcon some logic into the whole setup.
Dixie Dean at 11.40am Makerfield, as someone who lived there for a time and indeed stood for the Council may I just confirm that it is not made up of a number of towns but is one complete urban area with ward divisions with there own names, as occurs everywhere.. Re language: I am a "cockney" from Islington, but language was no problem! Also 40 years ago from my canvassing I recall there were plenty of ethnic Asian and Afro Caribbeans there, two were on our ward committee.
It's 98% ethnic white today. 96%+ White British. There wasn't a single non white at my Primary School in the 70's. Hindley, Ashton, Abram, Winstanley and Billinge and Orrell were all UDC's with their own Town Council and Mayors before 1974. I consider them to be towns. There are fields and fields between each of them. And occasionally stand alone villages. Towards the north it begins to merge into Wigan around Highfield, Winstanley and Worsley Mesnes.
I have also door-knocked almost entirely white communities and been told there is an immediate crisis with too many immigrants.
It doesn't matter that they do not see immigrants on their street and in their community. What they see are public services run down and defunded, and the physical landscape crumbling around them. And then on Facebook / Instagram / Twitter they see that migrants are responsible for this enshittification.
Thus they suffer the problems caused by migrants without there actually being any migrants. It makes no sense if you apply facts or logic, but this is now an emotional problem amongst the people who don't know how stuff works and don't want to know how it works.
We are seeing the biggest demographic transformation in our island's history. It's a bit naive to think it wouldn't be an issue with some people. And whilst many arrivals seek to integrate, many others have little to no interest in the indigenous culture.
And if we had said migrants in some of these areas I would understand the sentiment. But if you live in entirely white communities where there are non, how can people blame migrants for the poor local services there or crap housing options? It isn't migrants responsible as there aren't any.
Well they may believe, perhaps wrongly, that resources are being diverted to areas with more migrants in them. Most people realise we have a very centralised government and they aren't living in semi-autonomous towns. But let's be honest it isn't simply about resources is it. People fear the cultural change taking place in their country. The Lib Dems have been pioneers in trying to localise politics but people are allowed to care about what happens beyond their own town walls.
The country absolutely needs a load more houses. We have 1m Neets needing training and work. We have 30,000 vacancies in construction.
Replace council housing by building housing whilst training up tens of thousands of construction workers including much needed plumbers, electricians which are probably better careers than most graduate jobs already, and will become relatively even more desirable as Ai develops.
I absolutely support moving young people into all aspects of construction jobs providing FE colleges in every town
This is where success lies for many who will graduate into a never ending demand market and no doubt progress to starting their own business and not least of all with no student debt
Blair 50% to go to university was a disaster
I joined the police in 1964 without a degree, and most of our circle who were in nursing didn't either
Heard on the radio that we have 600 sports journalist graduates every year. The total number of sports journalists in the UK is around 600.
One of my grandsons graduated, from a British Uni, two years ago with a 2:1 in History. At time of writing he's managing a bar in Australia and thinking of retraining as an electrician.
Problem is if everyone retrained as an electrician the law of supply and demand means that would soon collapse electricians wages and demand for them too
If there were 2m houses a year being built, then the demand for electricians would also be higher.
A gutting of planning law would be bad news only for the lawyers and consultants. No tears shed there…
You say that without any knowledge of the UK. Reform voters do not on the whole want liberalised planning laws. They don’t want loads of building on green fields in their towns. They want the ability to reject development they don’t like.
One of the most common comments you see from Reformy types on Facebook is “we don’t need this, we need X” in respect of any new proposed development.
Reform supporters are actually pretty consistent.
They have realised that all the building (and there has been a huge amount of housebuilding in the last 15 years or so) is only happening to keep pace with the population growth from immigration. Indeed, there has been so much immigration that the cost of housing has gone up, because people have arrived faster than we've added to the housing stock.
Logically, if there's no immigration, and birth rates are such that we have a static or shrinking population, we shouldn't need to keep expanding the housing supply.
I used to think we needed to bin most of the rules around planning permission and building regs to get house prices under control. I've never liked the idea of building nasty Barrett wonders everywhere, but I used to think it was necessary. I've since had something of a damascene conversion, and realised that this is trying to solve the wrong end of the problem, it's much easier to reduce demand via almost completely stopping immigration than to keep concreting over green fields until the whole country becomes an extended version of the worst bits of Swindon.
Much, not all, of the building is to keep pace with migration.
Even if there were zero net migration we would still need massive house building for two reasons.
1 - Our chronic shortage would still exist. 2 - Demographic change*.
Demand would not rise anywhere near as rapidly without migration, but demographic changes alone mean we still need construction even without population growth and even without addressing the pre-existing chronic shortage.
* People live longer now, which means they live longer without kids. People who had a family home decades ago still live in their home, but their grandchildren/great-grandchildren also need their own family homes now too.
All the building that has happened over the last 15 years has been insufficient to accommodate the increased demand placed on it by immigration alone. The other demographic pressures haven't got a look in.
If we stopped virtually all immigration (not just net zero immigration, actual zero immigration), the population count would initially trend down quite quickly, given that 500k people a year are currently leaving (many of them former immigrants going home). This would be a much better way to get housing affordable than continuing to turn vast swathes of the country into an extended version of Swindon.
I'm not against a little more building, particularly on the right sorts of sites, but we cannot and should not be sustaining current levels of building (my pleasant market town has grown by 20% since 2010, and is much less pleasant than it used to be as a result, building another 20% on it as is currently planned would leave it gridlocked all day every day, quite apart from anything else.)
Jack McConnell, the one former Scottish First Minister with an intact reputation, is calling for a joint parliamentary inquiry into Murrell-gate.
I think this will run and run, despite Swinney trying to close it down. Given that SNP were in receipt of considerable amounts of taxpayers' money (Short money), there seems to be no reason why not to proceed.
From The Scotsman:
"This is about the fact that the SNP were the third largest party at Westminster for the best part of 10 years. They received over that time millions of pounds of public money to organise their party affairs.
"Obviously there are also issues about signing off accounts, and how seriously that was all taken, and I think on all these areas there are issues to be looked at, and recommendations that must be made. So I think this should be a joint public inquiry.
"I think it should probably be led by the public accounts committee of the House of Commons but it should be done equally and jointly with the equivalent committee at Holyrood so it’s not seen to be the UK Parliament poking its nose into Scottish politics, but the issues about political party funding, about public money, and about the way in which the transparency of political parties’ use of small donations, the protection for small donors.
"These are issues that are UK-wide. They’re issues for the Electoral Commission and for the UK parliament."
Here's the problem: SNP voters Don't Care. There is no corruption in Scottish politics other than the Westminster authorities. No money for your council because the SNP choose to underfund it? That's the fault of Westminster not funding Scotland properly. NHS and Education declining on every measure? Would be fixed with Independence. Wasted vast sums on an incompetent ferry procurement strategy which leaves some islands practically cut off? See that Anas Sarwar - blame him.
Etc.
So what that the CEO of the SNP was a crook and they have failed to deliver the thing the funds were supposedly donated for. At least they're not English. Etc. And as all the parties pushing this enquiry are English (e.g Scottish Labour) then it further proves that its all a conspiracy by Westminster to subjugate the Scottish people.
Etc.
If one buys into your piss coloured spectacles reading of the situtation, one might think that the unionist parties with their massive support from the press and media (including the state broadcaster) might review why their support is continuing to decline. But no.
Here's a Scotch issue that might be of passing concern to you. Prediction: despite broadcasting being a devolved matter, Yoonery will immediately default to 'Why isn't the SNP fixing this' rather than using whatever shrivelled influence thay have at Westminster to change the situation.
You appear to be confusing me with unionists. I am not a unionist and neither is my party.
So, back on topic. More money per head than England and worse results.
Is that the fault of (a) England or (b) the Scottish government?
Didn;t you vote for a unionist party (sotto voce) in the last election, and one apparently more in tune with your inclinations?
I voted LibDem and now have a LD MSP.
Again with the point, we can't go on declining whilst the government are refusing to take any responsibility. We want stuff to get better. I can't even say it's better than in England - not with Education or Health any more. With grotesque regional biases based on where the SNP are hosing the cash. How can it make any sense for Glasgow to get more funding per pupil for school transport than Aberdeenshire? How many Glasgow kids need a 10 mile bus ride to school each day like mine do?
Can't keep up with all your constant stream of conscious bulletins about that topic of most interest to you, you, but I'm pretty sure you 'revealed' that you were now in most sympathy with conservative politics but were too scared to come out, and that you were considering voting SCon in the last election. I probably just imagined it..
Shall we get back to the point. It's not the fault of "Yoons" that Scottish Health and Education are sliding. That we have chronic issues with substance abuse. That we endlessly promise transport investment that never arrives or that we have funding settlements that hugely favour core SNP voters and screw everyone else.
None of that has anything to do with Westminster. Or "Yoons" as all are because of the government spending its cash badly. We seem unable to vote them out because of the constitutional issue. We're even following Westminster's proud tradition of endless governing party psychodramas rotating the FM outside of elections - 3 last time, at least 2 this time (Flynn is next). Is the Murrell Collection also down to "Yoons"?
As we face into what Exxon put as "$150-$160 oil" this month, I wonder how the "blame the brown people" nutters will try and pin the price of everything skyrocketing on the forrin menace...?
Jack McConnell, the one former Scottish First Minister with an intact reputation, is calling for a joint parliamentary inquiry into Murrell-gate.
I think this will run and run, despite Swinney trying to close it down. Given that SNP were in receipt of considerable amounts of taxpayers' money (Short money), there seems to be no reason why not to proceed.
From The Scotsman:
"This is about the fact that the SNP were the third largest party at Westminster for the best part of 10 years. They received over that time millions of pounds of public money to organise their party affairs.
"Obviously there are also issues about signing off accounts, and how seriously that was all taken, and I think on all these areas there are issues to be looked at, and recommendations that must be made. So I think this should be a joint public inquiry.
"I think it should probably be led by the public accounts committee of the House of Commons but it should be done equally and jointly with the equivalent committee at Holyrood so it’s not seen to be the UK Parliament poking its nose into Scottish politics, but the issues about political party funding, about public money, and about the way in which the transparency of political parties’ use of small donations, the protection for small donors.
"These are issues that are UK-wide. They’re issues for the Electoral Commission and for the UK parliament."
Here's the problem: SNP voters Don't Care. There is no corruption in Scottish politics other than the Westminster authorities. No money for your council because the SNP choose to underfund it? That's the fault of Westminster not funding Scotland properly. NHS and Education declining on every measure? Would be fixed with Independence. Wasted vast sums on an incompetent ferry procurement strategy which leaves some islands practically cut off? See that Anas Sarwar - blame him.
Etc.
So what that the CEO of the SNP was a crook and they have failed to deliver the thing the funds were supposedly donated for. At least they're not English. Etc. And as all the parties pushing this enquiry are English (e.g Scottish Labour) then it further proves that its all a conspiracy by Westminster to subjugate the Scottish people.
Etc.
If one buys into your piss coloured spectacles reading of the situtation, one might think that the unionist parties with their massive support from the press and media (including the state broadcaster) might review why their support is continuing to decline. But no.
Here's a Scotch issue that might be of passing concern to you. Prediction: despite broadcasting being a devolved matter, Yoonery will immediately default to 'Why isn't the SNP fixing this' rather than using whatever shrivelled influence thay have at Westminster to change the situation.
"Nigeria feels the pain of a brain dran to the NHS The nation is battling to hold onto its doctors, half of whom work in Britain. At home there is only one for every 20,000 patients"
As we face into what Exxon put as "$150-$160 oil" this month, I wonder how the "blame the brown people" nutters will try and pin the price of everything skyrocketing on the forrin menace...?
Dixie Dean at 11.40am Makerfield, as someone who lived there for a time and indeed stood for the Council may I just confirm that it is not made up of a number of towns but is one complete urban area with ward divisions with there own names, as occurs everywhere.. Re language: I am a "cockney" from Islington, but language was no problem! Also 40 years ago from my canvassing I recall there were plenty of ethnic Asian and Afro Caribbeans there, two were on our ward committee.
It's 98% ethnic white today. 96%+ White British. There wasn't a single non white at my Primary School in the 70's. Hindley, Ashton, Abram, Winstanley and Billinge and Orrell were all UDC's with their own Town Council and Mayors before 1974. I consider them to be towns. There are fields and fields between each of them. And occasionally stand alone villages. Towards the north it begins to merge into Wigan around Highfield, Winstanley and Worsley Mesnes.
I have also door-knocked almost entirely white communities and been told there is an immediate crisis with too many immigrants.
It doesn't matter that they do not see immigrants on their street and in their community. What they see are public services run down and defunded, and the physical landscape crumbling around them. And then on Facebook / Instagram / Twitter they see that migrants are responsible for this enshittification.
Thus they suffer the problems caused by migrants without there actually being any migrants. It makes no sense if you apply facts or logic, but this is now an emotional problem amongst the people who don't know how stuff works and don't want to know how it works.
We are seeing the biggest demographic transformation in our island's history. It's a bit naive to think it wouldn't be an issue with some people. And whilst many arrivals seek to integrate, many others have little to no interest in the indigenous culture.
And if we had said migrants in some of these areas I would understand the sentiment. But if you live in entirely white communities where there are non, how can people blame migrants for the poor local services there or crap housing options? It isn't migrants responsible as there aren't any.
I live somewhere that's still 95% white British. Immigration is still causing massive problems, because people fleeing the overpriced dump that is the modern SE keep pitching up in town, putting pressure on housing, roads, services etc which can't be sustained.
Just because the foreign immigrants themselves mainly haven't come to town doesn't mean that the costs associated with them haven't arrived.
Once you realise that the primary WWC argument against immigration is economic, not cultural, it all makes sense. The modern left has told themselves fairy stories that its just massive racism, but they are almost entirely wrong.
As we face into what Exxon put as "$150-$160 oil" this month, I wonder how the "blame the brown people" nutters will try and pin the price of everything skyrocketing on the forrin menace...?
Well forrin nutters are controlling the Straits of Hormuz and it appears they are unprepared to allow the safe passage of ships through there unless there is impunity for them to export their revolution as they wish (i.e terrorism).
Now Mr Trump may have stirred the hornet's nest and made things worse but the fundamental problem is the regime in Tehran.
Followed one of those electric scooters around town this morning. It was averaging 30 mph and the rider had no protection but a firm grip of the handlebars. Wanting to turn right he sticks out a leg to indicate! Seems reasonable but not what you'd expect.
I have trouble on my mobility scooter; speed is controlled by levers on the handlebars, and if one lets go of the lever the machine stops. Forward speed is controlled by the one on the right, reverse by the left, so turning left is no problem, but indicating intention to turn right means crossing hands to maintain speed while sticking out one's right hand. Never thought of sticking my leg out!
You could also rotate your left arm when sticking it out, something I've seen precisely once ever with a vintage car driver.
That's the reverse of the old arm signal I was taught to use when I was learning to drive back in the late 50's. "Intention to turn left" was indicated by sticking one's right arm out the window and slowly rotating it.
My first car (a 1936 Singer Le Mans) had no trafficators. So I used the arm signals you mention plus a slow down signal by waving the arm up and down like the wing of a bird.
I'm going to call "shenanigans" on that. The epic space station EVA battle is the peak of British special effects of the period (miniatures, everything in-camera) and looking at the final result there us plainly not a single "aargh" cry: to my ears it sounds like at least three distinct cries. Incidentally, the Wilhelm Scream isn't used either. Also incidentally, they should have made the bad guy lasers a different colour to the good guy lasers.
I'm not sure - listen around 1min in. They "incorporated" it into the scene still seems semi-plausible.
Also this is the vacuum of space; there should be no sound. And laser beams are essentially invisible.
Er, have you not seen Star Wars?
Almost as ludicrous. Although devotees could claim that we just don't understand the technology of an interstellar civilisation, or a universe where "the Force" prevails, it's basically a load of entertaining nonsense George Lucas came up with, and two generations of obsessive nerds have spent the half century since in trying to retcon some logic into the whole setup.
I love Star Wars, both the original and much of what has followed over the last 50 years (now that does make me feel old!).
But it came out when I was 12 and I was already too old for the target audience as Lucas envisioned it. 50 year olds moaning that it has been changed into a children's franchise utterly misses the point. It was Lucas trying to recreate the saturday morning kids film clubs of his own childhood.
Dixie Dean at 11.40am Makerfield, as someone who lived there for a time and indeed stood for the Council may I just confirm that it is not made up of a number of towns but is one complete urban area with ward divisions with there own names, as occurs everywhere.. Re language: I am a "cockney" from Islington, but language was no problem! Also 40 years ago from my canvassing I recall there were plenty of ethnic Asian and Afro Caribbeans there, two were on our ward committee.
It's 98% ethnic white today. 96%+ White British. There wasn't a single non white at my Primary School in the 70's. Hindley, Ashton, Abram, Winstanley and Billinge and Orrell were all UDC's with their own Town Council and Mayors before 1974. I consider them to be towns. There are fields and fields between each of them. And occasionally stand alone villages. Towards the north it begins to merge into Wigan around Highfield, Winstanley and Worsley Mesnes.
I have also door-knocked almost entirely white communities and been told there is an immediate crisis with too many immigrants.
It doesn't matter that they do not see immigrants on their street and in their community. What they see are public services run down and defunded, and the physical landscape crumbling around them. And then on Facebook / Instagram / Twitter they see that migrants are responsible for this enshittification.
Thus they suffer the problems caused by migrants without there actually being any migrants. It makes no sense if you apply facts or logic, but this is now an emotional problem amongst the people who don't know how stuff works and don't want to know how it works.
We are seeing the biggest demographic transformation in our island's history. It's a bit naive to think it wouldn't be an issue with some people. And whilst many arrivals seek to integrate, many others have little to no interest in the indigenous culture.
And if we had said migrants in some of these areas I would understand the sentiment. But if you live in entirely white communities where there are non, how can people blame migrants for the poor local services there or crap housing options? It isn't migrants responsible as there aren't any.
I live somewhere that's still 95% white British. Immigration is still causing massive problems, because people fleeing the overpriced dump that is the modern SE keep pitching up in town, putting pressure on housing, roads, services etc which can't be sustained.
Just because the foreign immigrants themselves mainly haven't come to town doesn't mean that the costs associated with them haven't arrived.
Once you realise that the primary WWC argument against immigration is economic, not cultural, it all makes sense. The modern left has told themselves fairy stories that its just massive racism, but they are almost entirely wrong.
By modern left you mean Reform and Restore because I don't see Labour claiming it's immigration that's making people move north...
Dixie Dean at 11.40am Makerfield, as someone who lived there for a time and indeed stood for the Council may I just confirm that it is not made up of a number of towns but is one complete urban area with ward divisions with there own names, as occurs everywhere.. Re language: I am a "cockney" from Islington, but language was no problem! Also 40 years ago from my canvassing I recall there were plenty of ethnic Asian and Afro Caribbeans there, two were on our ward committee.
It's 98% ethnic white today. 96%+ White British. There wasn't a single non white at my Primary School in the 70's. Hindley, Ashton, Abram, Winstanley and Billinge and Orrell were all UDC's with their own Town Council and Mayors before 1974. I consider them to be towns. There are fields and fields between each of them. And occasionally stand alone villages. Towards the north it begins to merge into Wigan around Highfield, Winstanley and Worsley Mesnes.
I have also door-knocked almost entirely white communities and been told there is an immediate crisis with too many immigrants.
It doesn't matter that they do not see immigrants on their street and in their community. What they see are public services run down and defunded, and the physical landscape crumbling around them. And then on Facebook / Instagram / Twitter they see that migrants are responsible for this enshittification.
Thus they suffer the problems caused by migrants without there actually being any migrants. It makes no sense if you apply facts or logic, but this is now an emotional problem amongst the people who don't know how stuff works and don't want to know how it works.
We are seeing the biggest demographic transformation in our island's history. It's a bit naive to think it wouldn't be an issue with some people. And whilst many arrivals seek to integrate, many others have little to no interest in the indigenous culture.
As we face into what Exxon put as "$150-$160 oil" this month, I wonder how the "blame the brown people" nutters will try and pin the price of everything skyrocketing on the forrin menace...?
Well forrin nutters are controlling the Straits of Hormuz and it appears they are unprepared to allow the safe passage of ships through there unless there is impunity for them to export their revolution as they wish (i.e terrorism).
Now Mr Trump may have stirred the hornet's nest and made things worse but the fundamental problem is the regime in Tehran.
The regime of bastards in Iran was still in power before Israel and the US bombed Tehran. At that point the Strait of Hormuz was open. I would suggest that the fundamental problem with the closure of the Strait of Hormuz was bombing the bejesus out of Iran without a plan.
Dixie Dean at 11.40am Makerfield, as someone who lived there for a time and indeed stood for the Council may I just confirm that it is not made up of a number of towns but is one complete urban area with ward divisions with there own names, as occurs everywhere.. Re language: I am a "cockney" from Islington, but language was no problem! Also 40 years ago from my canvassing I recall there were plenty of ethnic Asian and Afro Caribbeans there, two were on our ward committee.
It's 98% ethnic white today. 96%+ White British. There wasn't a single non white at my Primary School in the 70's. Hindley, Ashton, Abram, Winstanley and Billinge and Orrell were all UDC's with their own Town Council and Mayors before 1974. I consider them to be towns. There are fields and fields between each of them. And occasionally stand alone villages. Towards the north it begins to merge into Wigan around Highfield, Winstanley and Worsley Mesnes.
I have also door-knocked almost entirely white communities and been told there is an immediate crisis with too many immigrants.
It doesn't matter that they do not see immigrants on their street and in their community. What they see are public services run down and defunded, and the physical landscape crumbling around them. And then on Facebook / Instagram / Twitter they see that migrants are responsible for this enshittification.
Thus they suffer the problems caused by migrants without there actually being any migrants. It makes no sense if you apply facts or logic, but this is now an emotional problem amongst the people who don't know how stuff works and don't want to know how it works.
We are seeing the biggest demographic transformation in our island's history. It's a bit naive to think it wouldn't be an issue with some people. And whilst many arrivals seek to integrate, many others have little to no interest in the indigenous culture.
No we really aren't.
You don't think the current demographic shift is unprecedented? When was the last time we had such change in relatively short time? The anglo saxons?
To be clear, that isn't to say it is good or bad. Just that it is happening.
Jack McConnell, the one former Scottish First Minister with an intact reputation, is calling for a joint parliamentary inquiry into Murrell-gate.
I think this will run and run, despite Swinney trying to close it down. Given that SNP were in receipt of considerable amounts of taxpayers' money (Short money), there seems to be no reason why not to proceed.
From The Scotsman:
"This is about the fact that the SNP were the third largest party at Westminster for the best part of 10 years. They received over that time millions of pounds of public money to organise their party affairs.
"Obviously there are also issues about signing off accounts, and how seriously that was all taken, and I think on all these areas there are issues to be looked at, and recommendations that must be made. So I think this should be a joint public inquiry.
"I think it should probably be led by the public accounts committee of the House of Commons but it should be done equally and jointly with the equivalent committee at Holyrood so it’s not seen to be the UK Parliament poking its nose into Scottish politics, but the issues about political party funding, about public money, and about the way in which the transparency of political parties’ use of small donations, the protection for small donors.
"These are issues that are UK-wide. They’re issues for the Electoral Commission and for the UK parliament."
Here's the problem: SNP voters Don't Care. There is no corruption in Scottish politics other than the Westminster authorities. No money for your council because the SNP choose to underfund it? That's the fault of Westminster not funding Scotland properly. NHS and Education declining on every measure? Would be fixed with Independence. Wasted vast sums on an incompetent ferry procurement strategy which leaves some islands practically cut off? See that Anas Sarwar - blame him.
Etc.
So what that the CEO of the SNP was a crook and they have failed to deliver the thing the funds were supposedly donated for. At least they're not English. Etc. And as all the parties pushing this enquiry are English (e.g Scottish Labour) then it further proves that its all a conspiracy by Westminster to subjugate the Scottish people.
Etc.
If one buys into your piss coloured spectacles reading of the situtation, one might think that the unionist parties with their massive support from the press and media (including the state broadcaster) might review why their support is continuing to decline. But no.
Here's a Scotch issue that might be of passing concern to you. Prediction: despite broadcasting being a devolved matter, Yoonery will immediately default to 'Why isn't the SNP fixing this' rather than using whatever shrivelled influence thay have at Westminster to change the situation.
You appear to be confusing me with unionists. I am not a unionist and neither is my party.
So, back on topic. More money per head than England and worse results.
Is that the fault of (a) England or (b) the Scottish government?
Didn;t you vote for a unionist party (sotto voce) in the last election, and one apparently more in tune with your inclinations?
I voted LibDem and now have a LD MSP.
Again with the point, we can't go on declining whilst the government are refusing to take any responsibility. We want stuff to get better. I can't even say it's better than in England - not with Education or Health any more. With grotesque regional biases based on where the SNP are hosing the cash. How can it make any sense for Glasgow to get more funding per pupil for school transport than Aberdeenshire? How many Glasgow kids need a 10 mile bus ride to school each day like mine do?
Can't keep up with all your constant stream of conscious bulletins about that topic of most interest to you, you, but I'm pretty sure you 'revealed' that you were now in most sympathy with conservative politics but were too scared to come out, and that you were considering voting SCon in the last election. I probably just imagined it..
Shall we get back to the point. It's not the fault of "Yoons" that Scottish Health and Education are sliding. That we have chronic issues with substance abuse. That we endlessly promise transport investment that never arrives or that we have funding settlements that hugely favour core SNP voters and screw everyone else.
None of that has anything to do with Westminster. Or "Yoons" as all are because of the government spending its cash badly. We seem unable to vote them out because of the constitutional issue. We're even following Westminster's proud tradition of endless governing party psychodramas rotating the FM outside of elections - 3 last time, at least 2 this time (Flynn is next). Is the Murrell Collection also down to "Yoons"?
I note you’ve entirely body swerved my point about your ever fluid allegiances, so I’ll return the compliment re your frankly tedious point.
Dixie Dean at 11.40am Makerfield, as someone who lived there for a time and indeed stood for the Council may I just confirm that it is not made up of a number of towns but is one complete urban area with ward divisions with there own names, as occurs everywhere.. Re language: I am a "cockney" from Islington, but language was no problem! Also 40 years ago from my canvassing I recall there were plenty of ethnic Asian and Afro Caribbeans there, two were on our ward committee.
It's 98% ethnic white today. 96%+ White British. There wasn't a single non white at my Primary School in the 70's. Hindley, Ashton, Abram, Winstanley and Billinge and Orrell were all UDC's with their own Town Council and Mayors before 1974. I consider them to be towns. There are fields and fields between each of them. And occasionally stand alone villages. Towards the north it begins to merge into Wigan around Highfield, Winstanley and Worsley Mesnes.
I have also door-knocked almost entirely white communities and been told there is an immediate crisis with too many immigrants.
It doesn't matter that they do not see immigrants on their street and in their community. What they see are public services run down and defunded, and the physical landscape crumbling around them. And then on Facebook / Instagram / Twitter they see that migrants are responsible for this enshittification.
Thus they suffer the problems caused by migrants without there actually being any migrants. It makes no sense if you apply facts or logic, but this is now an emotional problem amongst the people who don't know how stuff works and don't want to know how it works.
We are seeing the biggest demographic transformation in our island's history. It's a bit naive to think it wouldn't be an issue with some people. And whilst many arrivals seek to integrate, many others have little to no interest in the indigenous culture.
Dixie Dean at 11.40am Makerfield, as someone who lived there for a time and indeed stood for the Council may I just confirm that it is not made up of a number of towns but is one complete urban area with ward divisions with there own names, as occurs everywhere.. Re language: I am a "cockney" from Islington, but language was no problem! Also 40 years ago from my canvassing I recall there were plenty of ethnic Asian and Afro Caribbeans there, two were on our ward committee.
It's 98% ethnic white today. 96%+ White British. There wasn't a single non white at my Primary School in the 70's. Hindley, Ashton, Abram, Winstanley and Billinge and Orrell were all UDC's with their own Town Council and Mayors before 1974. I consider them to be towns. There are fields and fields between each of them. And occasionally stand alone villages. Towards the north it begins to merge into Wigan around Highfield, Winstanley and Worsley Mesnes.
I have also door-knocked almost entirely white communities and been told there is an immediate crisis with too many immigrants.
It doesn't matter that they do not see immigrants on their street and in their community. What they see are public services run down and defunded, and the physical landscape crumbling around them. And then on Facebook / Instagram / Twitter they see that migrants are responsible for this enshittification.
Thus they suffer the problems caused by migrants without there actually being any migrants. It makes no sense if you apply facts or logic, but this is now an emotional problem amongst the people who don't know how stuff works and don't want to know how it works.
We are seeing the biggest demographic transformation in our island's history. It's a bit naive to think it wouldn't be an issue with some people. And whilst many arrivals seek to integrate, many others have little to no interest in the indigenous culture.
No we really aren't.
A higher percentage of people in Britain today were born abroad than in the US at any point in their history.
Can we have a moment of sympathy for the (probably) junior news staff reading through the Mandelson documents and trying desperately to find something interesting!
Dixie Dean at 11.40am Makerfield, as someone who lived there for a time and indeed stood for the Council may I just confirm that it is not made up of a number of towns but is one complete urban area with ward divisions with there own names, as occurs everywhere.. Re language: I am a "cockney" from Islington, but language was no problem! Also 40 years ago from my canvassing I recall there were plenty of ethnic Asian and Afro Caribbeans there, two were on our ward committee.
It's 98% ethnic white today. 96%+ White British. There wasn't a single non white at my Primary School in the 70's. Hindley, Ashton, Abram, Winstanley and Billinge and Orrell were all UDC's with their own Town Council and Mayors before 1974. I consider them to be towns. There are fields and fields between each of them. And occasionally stand alone villages. Towards the north it begins to merge into Wigan around Highfield, Winstanley and Worsley Mesnes.
I have also door-knocked almost entirely white communities and been told there is an immediate crisis with too many immigrants.
It doesn't matter that they do not see immigrants on their street and in their community. What they see are public services run down and defunded, and the physical landscape crumbling around them. And then on Facebook / Instagram / Twitter they see that migrants are responsible for this enshittification.
Thus they suffer the problems caused by migrants without there actually being any migrants. It makes no sense if you apply facts or logic, but this is now an emotional problem amongst the people who don't know how stuff works and don't want to know how it works.
We are seeing the biggest demographic transformation in our island's history. It's a bit naive to think it wouldn't be an issue with some people. And whilst many arrivals seek to integrate, many others have little to no interest in the indigenous culture.
No we really aren't.
A higher percentage of people in Britain today were born abroad than in the US at any point in their history.
Especially when you take into account the Native Americans.
Dixie Dean at 11.40am Makerfield, as someone who lived there for a time and indeed stood for the Council may I just confirm that it is not made up of a number of towns but is one complete urban area with ward divisions with there own names, as occurs everywhere.. Re language: I am a "cockney" from Islington, but language was no problem! Also 40 years ago from my canvassing I recall there were plenty of ethnic Asian and Afro Caribbeans there, two were on our ward committee.
It's 98% ethnic white today. 96%+ White British. There wasn't a single non white at my Primary School in the 70's. Hindley, Ashton, Abram, Winstanley and Billinge and Orrell were all UDC's with their own Town Council and Mayors before 1974. I consider them to be towns. There are fields and fields between each of them. And occasionally stand alone villages. Towards the north it begins to merge into Wigan around Highfield, Winstanley and Worsley Mesnes.
I have also door-knocked almost entirely white communities and been told there is an immediate crisis with too many immigrants.
It doesn't matter that they do not see immigrants on their street and in their community. What they see are public services run down and defunded, and the physical landscape crumbling around them. And then on Facebook / Instagram / Twitter they see that migrants are responsible for this enshittification.
Thus they suffer the problems caused by migrants without there actually being any migrants. It makes no sense if you apply facts or logic, but this is now an emotional problem amongst the people who don't know how stuff works and don't want to know how it works.
We are seeing the biggest demographic transformation in our island's history. It's a bit naive to think it wouldn't be an issue with some people. And whilst many arrivals seek to integrate, many others have little to no interest in the indigenous culture.
And if we had said migrants in some of these areas I would understand the sentiment. But if you live in entirely white communities where there are non, how can people blame migrants for the poor local services there or crap housing options? It isn't migrants responsible as there aren't any.
Well they may believe, perhaps wrongly, that resources are being diverted to areas with more migrants in them. Most people realise we have a very centralised government and they aren't living in semi-autonomous towns. But let's be honest it isn't simply about resources is it. People fear the cultural change taking place in their country. The Lib Dems have been pioneers in trying to localise politics but people are allowed to care about what happens beyond their own town walls.
Do they fear the cultural change that is actually taking place, or do they fear the fictional change they get from AI slop on Facebook about Londonistan or a hundred Telegraph articles that more subtly distort the reporting of asylum ruling?
Also, this is not the biggest demographic transformation in our island's history. Cf. the first arrival of humans, Doggerland flooding, the coming of the Beaker Culture people, the Anglo-Saxons, or the Black Death.
Jack McConnell, the one former Scottish First Minister with an intact reputation, is calling for a joint parliamentary inquiry into Murrell-gate.
I think this will run and run, despite Swinney trying to close it down. Given that SNP were in receipt of considerable amounts of taxpayers' money (Short money), there seems to be no reason why not to proceed.
From The Scotsman:
"This is about the fact that the SNP were the third largest party at Westminster for the best part of 10 years. They received over that time millions of pounds of public money to organise their party affairs.
"Obviously there are also issues about signing off accounts, and how seriously that was all taken, and I think on all these areas there are issues to be looked at, and recommendations that must be made. So I think this should be a joint public inquiry.
"I think it should probably be led by the public accounts committee of the House of Commons but it should be done equally and jointly with the equivalent committee at Holyrood so it’s not seen to be the UK Parliament poking its nose into Scottish politics, but the issues about political party funding, about public money, and about the way in which the transparency of political parties’ use of small donations, the protection for small donors.
"These are issues that are UK-wide. They’re issues for the Electoral Commission and for the UK parliament."
Are you dreaming , he was reviled and the clown who was so under London thumb he wanted to hand billions back to to teh Colonial leaders as he coudl not work out anything that needed fixiing in Scotland. A cretinous arsehole, Labour had 50 years in control and made SNP look like real amateurs.
Dixie Dean at 11.40am Makerfield, as someone who lived there for a time and indeed stood for the Council may I just confirm that it is not made up of a number of towns but is one complete urban area with ward divisions with there own names, as occurs everywhere.. Re language: I am a "cockney" from Islington, but language was no problem! Also 40 years ago from my canvassing I recall there were plenty of ethnic Asian and Afro Caribbeans there, two were on our ward committee.
It's 98% ethnic white today. 96%+ White British. There wasn't a single non white at my Primary School in the 70's. Hindley, Ashton, Abram, Winstanley and Billinge and Orrell were all UDC's with their own Town Council and Mayors before 1974. I consider them to be towns. There are fields and fields between each of them. And occasionally stand alone villages. Towards the north it begins to merge into Wigan around Highfield, Winstanley and Worsley Mesnes.
I have also door-knocked almost entirely white communities and been told there is an immediate crisis with too many immigrants.
It doesn't matter that they do not see immigrants on their street and in their community. What they see are public services run down and defunded, and the physical landscape crumbling around them. And then on Facebook / Instagram / Twitter they see that migrants are responsible for this enshittification.
Thus they suffer the problems caused by migrants without there actually being any migrants. It makes no sense if you apply facts or logic, but this is now an emotional problem amongst the people who don't know how stuff works and don't want to know how it works.
We are seeing the biggest demographic transformation in our island's history. It's a bit naive to think it wouldn't be an issue with some people. And whilst many arrivals seek to integrate, many others have little to no interest in the indigenous culture.
No we really aren't.
A higher percentage of people in Britain today were born abroad than in the US at any point in their history.
The biggest problem regarding immigration into this country is people like yourself who are absolutely desperate to set the narrative with spurious and unrepresentative evidence that people who have never met anyone with additional melatonin are in a clear and present danger from them.
There used to be a Sikh guy at the Tesco petrol station in Llanelli with the thickest Carmarthenshire accent I have ever heard. It was wonderfully incongruous in an area where people are now incredibly fearful of darker skinned people because they have been told they need to worry. These quirky little stories are far more representative of reality than the fear mongers in Reform, Restore, GBNews and the Express would have you believe.
Dixie Dean at 11.40am Makerfield, as someone who lived there for a time and indeed stood for the Council may I just confirm that it is not made up of a number of towns but is one complete urban area with ward divisions with there own names, as occurs everywhere.. Re language: I am a "cockney" from Islington, but language was no problem! Also 40 years ago from my canvassing I recall there were plenty of ethnic Asian and Afro Caribbeans there, two were on our ward committee.
It's 98% ethnic white today. 96%+ White British. There wasn't a single non white at my Primary School in the 70's. Hindley, Ashton, Abram, Winstanley and Billinge and Orrell were all UDC's with their own Town Council and Mayors before 1974. I consider them to be towns. There are fields and fields between each of them. And occasionally stand alone villages. Towards the north it begins to merge into Wigan around Highfield, Winstanley and Worsley Mesnes.
I have also door-knocked almost entirely white communities and been told there is an immediate crisis with too many immigrants.
It doesn't matter that they do not see immigrants on their street and in their community. What they see are public services run down and defunded, and the physical landscape crumbling around them. And then on Facebook / Instagram / Twitter they see that migrants are responsible for this enshittification.
Thus they suffer the problems caused by migrants without there actually being any migrants. It makes no sense if you apply facts or logic, but this is now an emotional problem amongst the people who don't know how stuff works and don't want to know how it works.
We are seeing the biggest demographic transformation in our island's history. It's a bit naive to think it wouldn't be an issue with some people. And whilst many arrivals seek to integrate, many others have little to no interest in the indigenous culture.
No we really aren't.
A higher percentage of people in Britain today were born abroad than in the US at any point in their history.
Isn't the figure currently about 16% in both countries? If so, that would disprove your claim.
The country absolutely needs a load more houses. We have 1m Neets needing training and work. We have 30,000 vacancies in construction.
Replace council housing by building housing whilst training up tens of thousands of construction workers including much needed plumbers, electricians which are probably better careers than most graduate jobs already, and will become relatively even more desirable as Ai develops.
I absolutely support moving young people into all aspects of construction jobs providing FE colleges in every town
This is where success lies for many who will graduate into a never ending demand market and no doubt progress to starting their own business and not least of all with no student debt
Blair 50% to go to university was a disaster
I joined the police in 1964 without a degree, and most of our circle who were in nursing didn't either
Heard on the radio that we have 600 sports journalist graduates every year. The total number of sports journalists in the UK is around 600.
One of my grandsons graduated, from a British Uni, two years ago with a 2:1 in History. At time of writing he's managing a bar in Australia and thinking of retraining as an electrician.
Problem is if everyone retrained as an electrician the law of supply and demand means that would soon collapse electricians wages and demand for them too
If there were 2m houses a year being built, then the demand for electricians would also be higher.
A gutting of planning law would be bad news only for the lawyers and consultants. No tears shed there…
You say that without any knowledge of the UK. Reform voters do not on the whole want liberalised planning laws. They don’t want loads of building on green fields in their towns. They want the ability to reject development they don’t like.
One of the most common comments you see from Reformy types on Facebook is “we don’t need this, we need X” in respect of any new proposed development.
Reform supporters are actually pretty consistent.
They have realised that all the building (and there has been a huge amount of housebuilding in the last 15 years or so) is only happening to keep pace with the population growth from immigration. Indeed, there has been so much immigration that the cost of housing has gone up, because people have arrived faster than we've added to the housing stock.
Logically, if there's no immigration, and birth rates are such that we have a static or shrinking population, we shouldn't need to keep expanding the housing supply.
I used to think we needed to bin most of the rules around planning permission and building regs to get house prices under control. I've never liked the idea of building nasty Barrett wonders everywhere, but I used to think it was necessary. I've since had something of a damascene conversion, and realised that this is trying to solve the wrong end of the problem, it's much easier to reduce demand via almost completely stopping immigration than to keep concreting over green fields until the whole country becomes an extended version of the worst bits of Swindon.
Bit of a conundrum for you. Bits have been covered earlier today but worth repeating.
* Domestic population is in decline. * It's increasingly older and sicker with the burden being put on the younger cohort via the tax system * To increase taxes, you need to import highly qualified, younger people who can contribute * As they are by definition higher earners than average, they can afford to buy properties that the old, sick and less skilled can't
So do you a) stop immigration and leave the benefits burden with the young or b) like in Jersey, you can only purchase properties if you have lived here for x years or c) do not allow foreign owners to purchase property.
Treasury are already making future assumptions about who will be coming into the UK; what they will be earning; what the Exchequer can take from them; and what is the cost of the Domestic population going forward. Will a different government be able to do anything different and will the bond market allow it?
Dixie Dean at 11.40am Makerfield, as someone who lived there for a time and indeed stood for the Council may I just confirm that it is not made up of a number of towns but is one complete urban area with ward divisions with there own names, as occurs everywhere.. Re language: I am a "cockney" from Islington, but language was no problem! Also 40 years ago from my canvassing I recall there were plenty of ethnic Asian and Afro Caribbeans there, two were on our ward committee.
It's 98% ethnic white today. 96%+ White British. There wasn't a single non white at my Primary School in the 70's. Hindley, Ashton, Abram, Winstanley and Billinge and Orrell were all UDC's with their own Town Council and Mayors before 1974. I consider them to be towns. There are fields and fields between each of them. And occasionally stand alone villages. Towards the north it begins to merge into Wigan around Highfield, Winstanley and Worsley Mesnes.
I have also door-knocked almost entirely white communities and been told there is an immediate crisis with too many immigrants.
It doesn't matter that they do not see immigrants on their street and in their community. What they see are public services run down and defunded, and the physical landscape crumbling around them. And then on Facebook / Instagram / Twitter they see that migrants are responsible for this enshittification.
Thus they suffer the problems caused by migrants without there actually being any migrants. It makes no sense if you apply facts or logic, but this is now an emotional problem amongst the people who don't know how stuff works and don't want to know how it works.
We are seeing the biggest demographic transformation in our island's history. It's a bit naive to think it wouldn't be an issue with some people. And whilst many arrivals seek to integrate, many others have little to no interest in the indigenous culture.
What cannot be denied is that there has been no commensurate increase in health, education, transport or housing infrastructure. We are essentially muddling through with what we had before the change.
Where there were 500 seeking those services, there are now 550. Probably more in centres of population, where that demographic transformation has most manifsted itself. Easy to see why Reform or similar can make hay. Plus, there is clearly no signifcant source of government money to make things materially better. So the argument will remain central to our political dialogue.
Dixie Dean at 11.40am Makerfield, as someone who lived there for a time and indeed stood for the Council may I just confirm that it is not made up of a number of towns but is one complete urban area with ward divisions with there own names, as occurs everywhere.. Re language: I am a "cockney" from Islington, but language was no problem! Also 40 years ago from my canvassing I recall there were plenty of ethnic Asian and Afro Caribbeans there, two were on our ward committee.
It's 98% ethnic white today. 96%+ White British. There wasn't a single non white at my Primary School in the 70's. Hindley, Ashton, Abram, Winstanley and Billinge and Orrell were all UDC's with their own Town Council and Mayors before 1974. I consider them to be towns. There are fields and fields between each of them. And occasionally stand alone villages. Towards the north it begins to merge into Wigan around Highfield, Winstanley and Worsley Mesnes.
I have also door-knocked almost entirely white communities and been told there is an immediate crisis with too many immigrants.
It doesn't matter that they do not see immigrants on their street and in their community. What they see are public services run down and defunded, and the physical landscape crumbling around them. And then on Facebook / Instagram / Twitter they see that migrants are responsible for this enshittification.
Thus they suffer the problems caused by migrants without there actually being any migrants. It makes no sense if you apply facts or logic, but this is now an emotional problem amongst the people who don't know how stuff works and don't want to know how it works.
We are seeing the biggest demographic transformation in our island's history. It's a bit naive to think it wouldn't be an issue with some people. And whilst many arrivals seek to integrate, many others have little to no interest in the indigenous culture.
And if we had said migrants in some of these areas I would understand the sentiment. But if you live in entirely white communities where there are non, how can people blame migrants for the poor local services there or crap housing options? It isn't migrants responsible as there aren't any.
I live somewhere that's still 95% white British. Immigration is still causing massive problems, because people fleeing the overpriced dump that is the modern SE keep pitching up in town, putting pressure on housing, roads, services etc which can't be sustained.
Just because the foreign immigrants themselves mainly haven't come to town doesn't mean that the costs associated with them haven't arrived.
Once you realise that the primary WWC argument against immigration is economic, not cultural, it all makes sense. The modern left has told themselves fairy stories that its just massive racism, but they are almost entirely wrong.
People aren't leaving the overpriced SE because of immigration. They're leaving because of housing costs, which are driven by many things.
Is there a WWC argument against immigration? Do surveys show views on immigration show the WWC being more opposed to immigration?
The headline says all you need to know Murrell bought 108 toilet rolls as Sturgeon was getting ready to tell people not to panic buy.
Three 36 packs of bog roll is hardly panic buying. If he had packed the Winnebago with Andrex that would be panic buying. It would also explain why he needed a Winnebago too.
Dixie Dean at 11.40am Makerfield, as someone who lived there for a time and indeed stood for the Council may I just confirm that it is not made up of a number of towns but is one complete urban area with ward divisions with there own names, as occurs everywhere.. Re language: I am a "cockney" from Islington, but language was no problem! Also 40 years ago from my canvassing I recall there were plenty of ethnic Asian and Afro Caribbeans there, two were on our ward committee.
It's 98% ethnic white today. 96%+ White British. There wasn't a single non white at my Primary School in the 70's. Hindley, Ashton, Abram, Winstanley and Billinge and Orrell were all UDC's with their own Town Council and Mayors before 1974. I consider them to be towns. There are fields and fields between each of them. And occasionally stand alone villages. Towards the north it begins to merge into Wigan around Highfield, Winstanley and Worsley Mesnes.
I have also door-knocked almost entirely white communities and been told there is an immediate crisis with too many immigrants.
It doesn't matter that they do not see immigrants on their street and in their community. What they see are public services run down and defunded, and the physical landscape crumbling around them. And then on Facebook / Instagram / Twitter they see that migrants are responsible for this enshittification.
Thus they suffer the problems caused by migrants without there actually being any migrants. It makes no sense if you apply facts or logic, but this is now an emotional problem amongst the people who don't know how stuff works and don't want to know how it works.
We are seeing the biggest demographic transformation in our island's history. It's a bit naive to think it wouldn't be an issue with some people. And whilst many arrivals seek to integrate, many others have little to no interest in the indigenous culture.
And if we had said migrants in some of these areas I would understand the sentiment. But if you live in entirely white communities where there are non, how can people blame migrants for the poor local services there or crap housing options? It isn't migrants responsible as there aren't any.
I live somewhere that's still 95% white British. Immigration is still causing massive problems, because people fleeing the overpriced dump that is the modern SE keep pitching up in town, putting pressure on housing, roads, services etc which can't be sustained.
Just because the foreign immigrants themselves mainly haven't come to town doesn't mean that the costs associated with them haven't arrived.
Once you realise that the primary WWC argument against immigration is economic, not cultural, it all makes sense. The modern left has told themselves fairy stories that its just massive racism, but they are almost entirely wrong.
By modern left you mean Reform and Restore because I don't see Labour claiming it's immigration that's making people move north...
The modern left has told itself that if the WWC don't like immigration, it's because they are massive racists. It's helped in this by Tommy Ten Names and his mates jumping up and down, banging pots and pans, and screaming versions of "look at us, we're massive racists, and we don't like immigrants", but the actual racist demographic they represent is pretty tiny.
For most of the WWC, it's mainly about economics, rather than culture, but the modern left has chosen to completely ignore the ligitimate economic issues, and instead just keep making out that the WWC are just a bunch of racists.
Dixie Dean at 11.40am Makerfield, as someone who lived there for a time and indeed stood for the Council may I just confirm that it is not made up of a number of towns but is one complete urban area with ward divisions with there own names, as occurs everywhere.. Re language: I am a "cockney" from Islington, but language was no problem! Also 40 years ago from my canvassing I recall there were plenty of ethnic Asian and Afro Caribbeans there, two were on our ward committee.
It's 98% ethnic white today. 96%+ White British. There wasn't a single non white at my Primary School in the 70's. Hindley, Ashton, Abram, Winstanley and Billinge and Orrell were all UDC's with their own Town Council and Mayors before 1974. I consider them to be towns. There are fields and fields between each of them. And occasionally stand alone villages. Towards the north it begins to merge into Wigan around Highfield, Winstanley and Worsley Mesnes.
I have also door-knocked almost entirely white communities and been told there is an immediate crisis with too many immigrants.
It doesn't matter that they do not see immigrants on their street and in their community. What they see are public services run down and defunded, and the physical landscape crumbling around them. And then on Facebook / Instagram / Twitter they see that migrants are responsible for this enshittification.
Thus they suffer the problems caused by migrants without there actually being any migrants. It makes no sense if you apply facts or logic, but this is now an emotional problem amongst the people who don't know how stuff works and don't want to know how it works.
We are seeing the biggest demographic transformation in our island's history. It's a bit naive to think it wouldn't be an issue with some people. And whilst many arrivals seek to integrate, many others have little to no interest in the indigenous culture.
No we really aren't.
A higher percentage of people in Britain today were born abroad than in the US at any point in their history.
Dixie Dean at 11.40am Makerfield, as someone who lived there for a time and indeed stood for the Council may I just confirm that it is not made up of a number of towns but is one complete urban area with ward divisions with there own names, as occurs everywhere.. Re language: I am a "cockney" from Islington, but language was no problem! Also 40 years ago from my canvassing I recall there were plenty of ethnic Asian and Afro Caribbeans there, two were on our ward committee.
It's 98% ethnic white today. 96%+ White British. There wasn't a single non white at my Primary School in the 70's. Hindley, Ashton, Abram, Winstanley and Billinge and Orrell were all UDC's with their own Town Council and Mayors before 1974. I consider them to be towns. There are fields and fields between each of them. And occasionally stand alone villages. Towards the north it begins to merge into Wigan around Highfield, Winstanley and Worsley Mesnes.
I have also door-knocked almost entirely white communities and been told there is an immediate crisis with too many immigrants.
It doesn't matter that they do not see immigrants on their street and in their community. What they see are public services run down and defunded, and the physical landscape crumbling around them. And then on Facebook / Instagram / Twitter they see that migrants are responsible for this enshittification.
Thus they suffer the problems caused by migrants without there actually being any migrants. It makes no sense if you apply facts or logic, but this is now an emotional problem amongst the people who don't know how stuff works and don't want to know how it works.
We are seeing the biggest demographic transformation in our island's history. It's a bit naive to think it wouldn't be an issue with some people. And whilst many arrivals seek to integrate, many others have little to no interest in the indigenous culture.
And if we had said migrants in some of these areas I would understand the sentiment. But if you live in entirely white communities where there are non, how can people blame migrants for the poor local services there or crap housing options? It isn't migrants responsible as there aren't any.
I live somewhere that's still 95% white British. Immigration is still causing massive problems, because people fleeing the overpriced dump that is the modern SE keep pitching up in town, putting pressure on housing, roads, services etc which can't be sustained.
Just because the foreign immigrants themselves mainly haven't come to town doesn't mean that the costs associated with them haven't arrived.
Once you realise that the primary WWC argument against immigration is economic, not cultural, it all makes sense. The modern left has told themselves fairy stories that its just massive racism, but they are almost entirely wrong.
By modern left you mean Reform and Restore because I don't see Labour claiming it's immigration that's making people move north...
The modern left has told itself that if the WWC don't like immigration, it's because they are massive racists. It's helped in this by Tommy Ten Names and his mates jumping up and down, banging pots and pans, and screaming versions of "look at us, we're massive racists, and we don't like immigrants", but the actual racist demographic they represent is pretty tiny.
For most of the WWC, it's mainly about economics, rather than culture, but the modern left has chosen to completely ignore the ligitimate economic issues, and instead just keep making out that the WWC are just a bunch of racists.
Not helped by "Immigration is never about wage suppression. No Sir. Not at all. All the WWC are too stupid and lazy to work, that's why we need to import workers."
As we face into what Exxon put as "$150-$160 oil" this month, I wonder how the "blame the brown people" nutters will try and pin the price of everything skyrocketing on the forrin menace...?
As we face into what Exxon put as "$150-$160 oil" this month, I wonder how the "blame the brown people" nutters will try and pin the price of everything skyrocketing on the forrin menace...?
Back on topic, it should be no surprise that many Union members are supporting Reform. The Trade Union link with Labour fractured and broke down during the Blair era, with many unions clearly to the left of Labour.
So why are they now supporting Reform? Because community conservatism and parochial bigotry was always at the heart of the labour movement. Labour was always a coalition between the workers and the well-meaning management types, until the workers were told to like it or lump it by Kinnock then Blair. Remember that so many blue collar workers were avid Thatcherites - why would many of them now being Reformers be a surprise?
Remember Jack Smethurst's Eddie Booth character in Love thy Neighbour. He was a trade unionist, a socialist and a racist. I wonder what Eddie Booth would be voting these days?
No one. He’d be dead. The show started in 1972 and the character was middle aged then.
I took that as a challenge @Taz. He only died 4 years ago aged 89 so it was possible.
I was thinking of you the other day when I saw that the Morecambe and Wise Sweeney episode was on the TV. They played at Frimley Green Lakeside Club in the episode. I could tell a couple of stories about that club, but libel laws prevent me from risking it.
Bob Potters place ? Home of the BDO world championship for many many years ? That Frimley Green !!
I’ve heard a few on Darts forums but I’m sure yours are more salacious.
I am pretty sure Eddie Booth, as a character, was a little older than Jack Smethurst when he played him.
I’ve seen all of them a couple of times. It becomes tedious and repetitive very very quickly. God knows how they dragged it out for seven series !
Yep that's the one. Nothing to do with darts and Bob Potter is dead now so probably not a problem, but I am still not going to do it. It appears that a lot of people on Facebook are less reticent though, so there is a lot there if you are interested.
I used to live in Surrey Heath and knew someone, which if I gave away his profession, would make it quite clear. So I'm not going to do that either, but it is another clue. I'm getting as bad as Leon now on dangling stupid rumours in front of you all.
Back on topic, it should be no surprise that many Union members are supporting Reform. The Trade Union link with Labour fractured and broke down during the Blair era, with many unions clearly to the left of Labour.
So why are they now supporting Reform? Because community conservatism and parochial bigotry was always at the heart of the labour movement. Labour was always a coalition between the workers and the well-meaning management types, until the workers were told to like it or lump it by Kinnock then Blair. Remember that so many blue collar workers were avid Thatcherites - why would many of them now being Reformers be a surprise?
Remember Jack Smethurst's Eddie Booth character in Love thy Neighbour. He was a trade unionist, a socialist and a racist. I wonder what Eddie Booth would be voting these days?
No one. He’d be dead. The show started in 1972 and the character was middle aged then.
I took that as a challenge @Taz. He only died 4 years ago aged 89 so it was possible.
I was thinking of you the other day when I saw that the Morecambe and Wise Sweeney episode was on the TV. They played at Frimley Green Lakeside Club in the episode. I could tell a couple of stories about that club, but libel laws prevent me from risking it.
Bob Potters place ? Home of the BDO world championship for many many years ? That Frimley Green !!
I’ve heard a few on Darts forums but I’m sure yours are more salacious.
I am pretty sure Eddie Booth, as a character, was a little older than Jack Smethurst when he played him.
I’ve seen all of them a couple of times. It becomes tedious and repetitive very very quickly. God knows how they dragged it out for seven series !
Yep that's the one. Nothing to do with darts and Bob Potter is dead now so probably not a problem, but I am still not going to do it. It appears that a lot of people on Facebook are less reticent though, so there is a lot there if you are interested.
I used to live in Surrey Heath and knew someone, which if I gave away his profession, would make it quite clear. So I'm not going to do that either, but it is another clue. I'm getting as bad as Leon now on dangling stupid rumours in front of you all.
"Born abroad" is also a misleading statistic that some (e.g. Matt Goodwin) use to exaggerate apparent cultural change. With greater international travel, British people end up having children abroad who are raised in the UK. You then get the likes of Boris Johnson or Bradley Wiggins or Emma Watson*, who were born abroad and add to that number, but who do not represent any sort of cultural change!
"Born abroad" is also a misleading statistic that some (e.g. Matt Goodwin) use to exaggerate apparent cultural change. With greater international travel, British people end up having children abroad who are raised in the UK. You then get the likes of Boris Johnson or Bradley Wiggins or Emma Watson*, who were born abroad and add to that number, but who do not represent any sort of cultural change!
* Or indeed Florence Nightingale.
Although binning off Cliff Richard would be a cultural change I reckon we could all get behind.
Back on topic, it should be no surprise that many Union members are supporting Reform. The Trade Union link with Labour fractured and broke down during the Blair era, with many unions clearly to the left of Labour.
So why are they now supporting Reform? Because community conservatism and parochial bigotry was always at the heart of the labour movement. Labour was always a coalition between the workers and the well-meaning management types, until the workers were told to like it or lump it by Kinnock then Blair. Remember that so many blue collar workers were avid Thatcherites - why would many of them now being Reformers be a surprise?
Remember Jack Smethurst's Eddie Booth character in Love thy Neighbour. He was a trade unionist, a socialist and a racist. I wonder what Eddie Booth would be voting these days?
No one. He’d be dead. The show started in 1972 and the character was middle aged then.
I took that as a challenge @Taz. He only died 4 years ago aged 89 so it was possible.
I was thinking of you the other day when I saw that the Morecambe and Wise Sweeney episode was on the TV. They played at Frimley Green Lakeside Club in the episode. I could tell a couple of stories about that club, but libel laws prevent me from risking it.
Bob Potters place ? Home of the BDO world championship for many many years ? That Frimley Green !!
I’ve heard a few on Darts forums but I’m sure yours are more salacious.
I am pretty sure Eddie Booth, as a character, was a little older than Jack Smethurst when he played him.
I’ve seen all of them a couple of times. It becomes tedious and repetitive very very quickly. God knows how they dragged it out for seven series !
Yep that's the one. Nothing to do with darts and Bob Potter is dead now so probably not a problem, but I am still not going to do it. It appears that a lot of people on Facebook are less reticent though, so there is a lot there if you are interested.
I used to live in Surrey Heath and knew someone, which if I gave away his profession, would make it quite clear. So I'm not going to do that either, but it is another clue. I'm getting as bad as Leon now on dangling stupid rumours in front of you all.
Not Finland and not Necklace related, probably.
Who was the former MP there, as an aside
Michael Gove before that Nick Hawkins and before that Michael Grylls.
Michael Grylls was tied up in the cash for questions scandal
Nick Hawkins did the chicken run from Blackpool and was quite unpleasant right winger, although bizarrely quite a good constituency MP. He had an affair with a Tory Councillor and got deselected, although he always believed he got selected by accident and they were always looking for an opportunity to get rid of him. It was thought that the committee had lined up a group for the members to select from, with an obvious candidate, but they got it wrong in picking him.
One of the Tory candidates when interviewed by the local press when the story broke of the affair said 'Well at least he didn't have an affair with a man'. One of our councillors befriended this guy because he was bitter about Nick Hawkins being deselected and Gove selected. We got loads of local Tory info out of him. Little did he know that our Councillor was gay. He would have had forty fits if he had known. It made getting the info even sweeter.
The headline says all you need to know Murrell bought 108 toilet rolls as Sturgeon was getting ready to tell people not to panic buy.
Three 36 packs of bog roll is hardly panic buying. If he had packed the Winnebago with Andrex that would be panic buying. It would also explain why he needed a Winnebago too.
I'm convinced that there are some wankers in these Isles still churning through covid stock piles.
The headline says all you need to know Murrell bought 108 toilet rolls as Sturgeon was getting ready to tell people not to panic buy.
Three 36 packs of bog roll is hardly panic buying. If he had packed the Winnebago with Andrex that would be panic buying. It would also explain why he needed a Winnebago too.
I'm convinced that there are some wankers in these Isles still churning through covid stock piles.
Back on topic, it should be no surprise that many Union members are supporting Reform. The Trade Union link with Labour fractured and broke down during the Blair era, with many unions clearly to the left of Labour.
So why are they now supporting Reform? Because community conservatism and parochial bigotry was always at the heart of the labour movement. Labour was always a coalition between the workers and the well-meaning management types, until the workers were told to like it or lump it by Kinnock then Blair. Remember that so many blue collar workers were avid Thatcherites - why would many of them now being Reformers be a surprise?
Remember Jack Smethurst's Eddie Booth character in Love thy Neighbour. He was a trade unionist, a socialist and a racist. I wonder what Eddie Booth would be voting these days?
No one. He’d be dead. The show started in 1972 and the character was middle aged then.
I took that as a challenge @Taz. He only died 4 years ago aged 89 so it was possible.
I was thinking of you the other day when I saw that the Morecambe and Wise Sweeney episode was on the TV. They played at Frimley Green Lakeside Club in the episode. I could tell a couple of stories about that club, but libel laws prevent me from risking it.
Bob Potters place ? Home of the BDO world championship for many many years ? That Frimley Green !!
I’ve heard a few on Darts forums but I’m sure yours are more salacious.
I am pretty sure Eddie Booth, as a character, was a little older than Jack Smethurst when he played him.
I’ve seen all of them a couple of times. It becomes tedious and repetitive very very quickly. God knows how they dragged it out for seven series !
Yep that's the one. Nothing to do with darts and Bob Potter is dead now so probably not a problem, but I am still not going to do it. It appears that a lot of people on Facebook are less reticent though, so there is a lot there if you are interested.
I used to live in Surrey Heath and knew someone, which if I gave away his profession, would make it quite clear. So I'm not going to do that either, but it is another clue. I'm getting as bad as Leon now on dangling stupid rumours in front of you all.
Not Finland and not Necklace related, probably.
Who was the former MP there, as an aside
Michael Gove before that Nick Hawkins and before that Michael Grylls.
Michael Grylls was tied up in the cash for questions scandal
Nick Hawkins did the chicken run from Blackpool and was quite unpleasant right winger, although bizarrely quite a good constituency MP. He had an affair with a Tory Councillor and got deselected, although he always believed he got selected by accident and they were always looking for an opportunity to get rid of him. It was thought that the committee had lined up a group for the members to select from, with an obvious candidate, but they got it wrong in picking him.
One of the Tory candidates when interviewed by the local press when the story broke of the affair said 'Well at least he didn't have an affair with a man'. One of our councillors befriended this guy because he was bitter about Nick Hawkins being deselected and Gove selected. We got loads of local Tory info out of him. Little did he know that our Councillor was gay. He would have had forty fits if he had known. It made getting the info even sweeter.
Two comments on food stamps/SNAP benefits in the US.
There was an earlier, and overlapping, effort to get food to the poor. The federal government gave food to the poor, particularly cheese, and still does to some extent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_cheese
In both programs, one of the political incentives was to help farmers. Which helps explain why, for example, Bob Dole of Kansas was a strong supporter of food stamps.
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Although devotees could claim that we just don't understand the technology of an interstellar civilisation, or a universe where "the Force" prevails, it's basically a load of entertaining nonsense George Lucas came up with, and two generations of obsessive nerds have spent the half century since in trying to retcon some logic into the whole setup.
I probably just imagined it..
If we stopped virtually all immigration (not just net zero immigration, actual zero immigration), the population count would initially trend down quite quickly, given that 500k people a year are currently leaving (many of them former immigrants going home).
This would be a much better way to get housing affordable than continuing to turn vast swathes of the country into an extended version of Swindon.
I'm not against a little more building, particularly on the right sorts of sites, but we cannot and should not be sustaining current levels of building (my pleasant market town has grown by 20% since 2010, and is much less pleasant than it used to be as a result, building another 20% on it as is currently planned would leave it gridlocked all day every day, quite apart from anything else.)
None of that has anything to do with Westminster. Or "Yoons" as all are because of the government spending its cash badly. We seem unable to vote them out because of the constitutional issue. We're even following Westminster's proud tradition of endless governing party psychodramas rotating the FM outside of elections - 3 last time, at least 2 this time (Flynn is next). Is the Murrell Collection also down to "Yoons"?
YES 45%
The nation is battling to hold onto its doctors, half of whom work in Britain. At home there is only one for every 20,000 patients"
From page 16 of yesterday's Sunday Times.
Just because the foreign immigrants themselves mainly haven't come to town doesn't mean that the costs associated with them haven't arrived.
Once you realise that the primary WWC argument against immigration is economic, not cultural, it all makes sense. The modern left has told themselves fairy stories that its just massive racism, but they are almost entirely wrong.
Now Mr Trump may have stirred the hornet's nest and made things worse but the fundamental problem is the regime in Tehran.
But it came out when I was 12 and I was already too old for the target audience as Lucas envisioned it. 50 year olds moaning that it has been changed into a children's franchise utterly misses the point. It was Lucas trying to recreate the saturday morning kids film clubs of his own childhood.
To be clear, that isn't to say it is good or bad. Just that it is happening.
Also, this is not the biggest demographic transformation in our island's history. Cf. the first arrival of humans, Doggerland flooding, the coming of the Beaker Culture people, the Anglo-Saxons, or the Black Death.
There used to be a Sikh guy at the Tesco petrol station in Llanelli with the thickest Carmarthenshire accent I have ever heard. It was wonderfully incongruous in an area where people are now incredibly fearful of darker skinned people because they have been told they need to worry. These quirky little stories are far more representative of reality than the fear mongers in Reform, Restore, GBNews and the Express would have you believe.
The headline says all you need to know Murrell bought 108 toilet rolls as Sturgeon was getting ready to tell people not to panic buy.
* Domestic population is in decline.
* It's increasingly older and sicker with the burden being put on the younger cohort via the tax system
* To increase taxes, you need to import highly qualified, younger people who can contribute
* As they are by definition higher earners than average, they can afford to buy properties that the old, sick and less skilled can't
So do you a) stop immigration and leave the benefits burden with the young or b) like in Jersey, you can only purchase properties if you have lived here for x years or c) do not allow foreign owners to purchase property.
Treasury are already making future assumptions about who will be coming into the UK; what they will be earning; what the Exchequer can take from them; and what is the cost of the Domestic population going forward. Will a different government be able to do anything different and will the bond market allow it?
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Where there were 500 seeking those services, there are now 550. Probably more in centres of population, where that demographic transformation has most manifsted itself. Easy to see why Reform or similar can make hay. Plus, there is clearly no signifcant source of government money to make things materially better. So the argument will remain central to our political dialogue.
Is there a WWC argument against immigration? Do surveys show views on immigration show the WWC being more opposed to immigration?
For most of the WWC, it's mainly about economics, rather than culture, but the modern left has chosen to completely ignore the ligitimate economic issues, and instead just keep making out that the WWC are just a bunch of racists.
In real life hardly any.
It will be Net Zero and North Sea.
I used to live in Surrey Heath and knew someone, which if I gave away his profession, would make it quite clear. So I'm not going to do that either, but it is another clue. I'm getting as bad as Leon now on dangling stupid rumours in front of you all.
Who was the former MP there, as an aside
* Or indeed Florence Nightingale.
Michael Grylls was tied up in the cash for questions scandal
Nick Hawkins did the chicken run from Blackpool and was quite unpleasant right winger, although bizarrely quite a good constituency MP. He had an affair with a Tory Councillor and got deselected, although he always believed he got selected by accident and they were always looking for an opportunity to get rid of him. It was thought that the committee had lined up a group for the members to select from, with an obvious candidate, but they got it wrong in picking him.
One of the Tory candidates when interviewed by the local press when the story broke of the affair said 'Well at least he didn't have an affair with a man'. One of our councillors befriended this guy because he was bitter about Nick Hawkins being deselected and Gove selected. We got loads of local Tory info out of him. Little did he know that our Councillor was gay. He would have had forty fits if he had known. It made getting the info even sweeter.
No, let's not go there.
There was an earlier, and overlapping, effort to get food to the poor. The federal government gave food to the poor, particularly cheese, and still does to some extent. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_cheese
In both programs, one of the political incentives was to help farmers. Which helps explain why, for example, Bob Dole of Kansas was a strong supporter of food stamps.