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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,185

    Fishing said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    Burnham's agenda can be summed up in two words.
    Levelling Up.
    Lots on the right used to think that was a splendid idea.
    Maybe some still do?

    Levelling who up to who.

    Few people want those poroer than themselves to be levelled up to.

    Lots want to be levelled up to those richer than themselves.
    North to the South
    Blue collar to white collar
    State to private
    Non grads to grads
    Hands to brain
    Young to old
    Renters to owners
    Towns to cities
    Skint to loaded

    We'll see how he goes.
    Most of that is either simplistic, misconceived, irrelevant, anachronistic or harmful.

    Overall it looks like some leftist student idealism from the late 1980s.

    The world has moved on from your youth.
    No it hasn't. The same fundamental problem exists as when I was in nappies. Life prospects are determined mainly by birth circumstances. Possibly even more so now.
    Certainly and that's something people born in the western world should be very grateful for.

    What I want is levelling up of opportunity.

    Which includes recognising that opportunities might come and go at different times during a person's life. Especially so in a changing world.

    And that requires people to be able to take those opportunities if they wish so and not overly restricted by previous decisions.

    Which is why your 'non grads to grads' comment is anachronistic. When you and I were young going to university was usually a good idea for the opportunities it offered up and, sometimes more importantly, it didn't handicap you later as student debt now does to the young.

    In the future opportunities might come and new learning / training might be required a person is 25 or 35 or 45. Having loaded up with debt by 21 those possibilities are restricted.

    Likewise I think people should have the opportunity to make as much or as little as they want from life. So those who want to climb the wealth ladder can do so while those who are happier with a lower paid but easier life can also find what they want. But with that comes a requirement not to resent those who have become loaded.

    And if you want one practical policy which would fit with your levelling up vision then ban solar farms in the North.

    Cover the Cotswolds and Chilterns, or Hype Park and Hampstead Heath, with them but the North has got its countryside back after two centuries of industrial pollution. Its time for other places to take their turn in supplying the country's energy.
    Equality of opportunity isn't a bad idea, though people often wildly overestimate what the government can do to promote it. But ideas like making private education available to gifted children from poorer families through the assisted places scheme, which Labour scrapped, or abolishing VAT on school fees, which Labour imposed, or reducing payroll taxes and the minimum wage to enable youngsters to get their first job, both of which Labour has increased, or scrapping useless degrees in crummy universities, which Labour promoted, burdening students with tens of thousands in pointless debt, all suggest themselvses.

    There's also the crazy idea of making housing available in wealthy areas to allow young adults to move away from sink estates and collapsing towns, which all parties have catastrophically failed to do, and the construction of which would provide tens of thousands of blue collar jobs.

    So there's plenty that can be done, but only an idiot would trust Labour to do any of it.
    Abolishing VAT on school fees is not going to promote equality of opportunity!
    Why?
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,644
    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Rachel apparently had a man heckle her for twenty five minutes yesterday and his extremely rude behaviour was congratulated by Nigel Farage. Her reply was exemplary. Can someone tell me what anyone sees in that repulsive disgusting vulgarian.? I can't. Worth watching on Ch4 News.

    That's the real personality of hard core Reform right there. Nasty bunch. Very nasty.
    Steve Bray waves and says Hi and then bellows at a random Tory MP.
    He's a pain in the pipe. But I don't recall him being lionised by any party leader.


    ..
  • Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Rachel apparently had a man heckle her for twenty five minutes yesterday and his extremely rude behaviour was congratulated by Nigel Farage. Her reply was exemplary. Can someone tell me what anyone sees in that repulsive disgusting vulgarian.? I can't. Worth watching on Ch4 News.

    That's the real personality of hard core Reform right there. Nasty bunch. Very nasty.
    Steve Bray waves and says Hi and then bellows at a random Tory MP.
    He's a pain in the pipe. But I don't recall him being lionised by any party leader.


    ..
    Ahahah

    Nicely done!

    I do remember Remainers enthusing about the way he harangued Brexiteers. Et voila
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,550
    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Rachel apparently had a man heckle her for twenty five minutes yesterday and his extremely rude behaviour was congratulated by Nigel Farage. Her reply was exemplary. Can someone tell me what anyone sees in that repulsive disgusting vulgarian.? I can't. Worth watching on Ch4 News.

    That's the real personality of hard core Reform right there. Nasty bunch. Very nasty.
    Steve Bray waves and says Hi and then bellows at a random Tory MP.
    He's a pain in the pipe. But I don't recall him being lionised by any party leader.

    Ah but wasn't that before he went all weird?

    Steve, I mean, not Ed.
  • kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Rachel apparently had a man heckle her for twenty five minutes yesterday and his extremely rude behaviour was congratulated by Nigel Farage. Her reply was exemplary. Can someone tell me what anyone sees in that repulsive disgusting vulgarian.? I can't. Worth watching on Ch4 News.

    That's the real personality of hard core Reform right there. Nasty bunch. Very nasty.
    Steve Bray waves and says Hi and then bellows at a random Tory MP.
    He's a pain in the pipe. But I don't recall him being lionised by any party leader.

    Ah but wasn't that before he went all weird?

    Steve, I mean, not Ed.
    They are literally holding placards screaming the Lib Dem GE Brexit policy - REVOKE

  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,695

    Fishing said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    Burnham's agenda can be summed up in two words.
    Levelling Up.
    Lots on the right used to think that was a splendid idea.
    Maybe some still do?

    Levelling who up to who.

    Few people want those poroer than themselves to be levelled up to.

    Lots want to be levelled up to those richer than themselves.
    North to the South
    Blue collar to white collar
    State to private
    Non grads to grads
    Hands to brain
    Young to old
    Renters to owners
    Towns to cities
    Skint to loaded

    We'll see how he goes.
    Most of that is either simplistic, misconceived, irrelevant, anachronistic or harmful.

    Overall it looks like some leftist student idealism from the late 1980s.

    The world has moved on from your youth.
    No it hasn't. The same fundamental problem exists as when I was in nappies. Life prospects are determined mainly by birth circumstances. Possibly even more so now.
    Certainly and that's something people born in the western world should be very grateful for.

    What I want is levelling up of opportunity.

    Which includes recognising that opportunities might come and go at different times during a person's life. Especially so in a changing world.

    And that requires people to be able to take those opportunities if they wish so and not overly restricted by previous decisions.

    Which is why your 'non grads to grads' comment is anachronistic. When you and I were young going to university was usually a good idea for the opportunities it offered up and, sometimes more importantly, it didn't handicap you later as student debt now does to the young.

    In the future opportunities might come and new learning / training might be required a person is 25 or 35 or 45. Having loaded up with debt by 21 those possibilities are restricted.

    Likewise I think people should have the opportunity to make as much or as little as they want from life. So those who want to climb the wealth ladder can do so while those who are happier with a lower paid but easier life can also find what they want. But with that comes a requirement not to resent those who have become loaded.

    And if you want one practical policy which would fit with your levelling up vision then ban solar farms in the North.

    Cover the Cotswolds and Chilterns, or Hype Park and Hampstead Heath, with them but the North has got its countryside back after two centuries of industrial pollution. Its time for other places to take their turn in supplying the country's energy.
    Equality of opportunity isn't a bad idea, though people often wildly overestimate what the government can do to promote it. But ideas like making private education available to gifted children from poorer families through the assisted places scheme, which Labour scrapped, or abolishing VAT on school fees, which Labour imposed, or reducing payroll taxes and the minimum wage to enable youngsters to get their first job, both of which Labour has increased, or scrapping useless degrees in crummy universities, which Labour promoted, burdening students with tens of thousands in pointless debt, all suggest themselvses.

    There's also the crazy idea of making housing available in wealthy areas to allow young adults to move away from sink estates and collapsing towns, which all parties have catastrophically failed to do, and the construction of which would provide tens of thousands of blue collar jobs.

    So there's plenty that can be done, but only an idiot would trust Labour to do any of it.
    Abolishing VAT on school fees is not going to promote equality of opportunity!
    Why?
    The people where VAT is going to make a difference to whether they send their kids to private school or not are going to be above median earners already. Poorer families, those with fewer opportunities, can't afford private school fees even if they don't have VAT on them.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,927
    Looks like SpaceX are going to try and launch the new version of Starship at 10.30ish. Should either be a wonder of modern engineering and/or another ruddy great bang. Mission profile here.
  • Hmm

    "Arrests now made, combined with election fraud and family voting witnessed and reported first hand in the same ward… the only ward in Tameside that Reform didn’t win.

    I think we’re building a picture here."

    https://x.com/Rob4Reform/status/2057456250149810382?s=20
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    Single-sex spaces - such as changing rooms and toilets - must be used on the basis of biological sex, new guidance from the equalities watchdog has confirmed.

    This means, for instance, that a trans woman - a biological male who identifies as a woman - should not use female toilets or changing rooms, according to the code of practice.

    The guidance, produced by the Equalities and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) and now approved by ministers, makes it clear that transgender people should instead be offered a third or a gender-neutral space.

    The code states that leaving a trans person without access to any services or facilities would be unlikely to be proportionate and could be discriminatory.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,185

    Fishing said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    Burnham's agenda can be summed up in two words.
    Levelling Up.
    Lots on the right used to think that was a splendid idea.
    Maybe some still do?

    Levelling who up to who.

    Few people want those poroer than themselves to be levelled up to.

    Lots want to be levelled up to those richer than themselves.
    North to the South
    Blue collar to white collar
    State to private
    Non grads to grads
    Hands to brain
    Young to old
    Renters to owners
    Towns to cities
    Skint to loaded

    We'll see how he goes.
    Most of that is either simplistic, misconceived, irrelevant, anachronistic or harmful.

    Overall it looks like some leftist student idealism from the late 1980s.

    The world has moved on from your youth.
    No it hasn't. The same fundamental problem exists as when I was in nappies. Life prospects are determined mainly by birth circumstances. Possibly even more so now.
    Certainly and that's something people born in the western world should be very grateful for.

    What I want is levelling up of opportunity.

    Which includes recognising that opportunities might come and go at different times during a person's life. Especially so in a changing world.

    And that requires people to be able to take those opportunities if they wish so and not overly restricted by previous decisions.

    Which is why your 'non grads to grads' comment is anachronistic. When you and I were young going to university was usually a good idea for the opportunities it offered up and, sometimes more importantly, it didn't handicap you later as student debt now does to the young.

    In the future opportunities might come and new learning / training might be required a person is 25 or 35 or 45. Having loaded up with debt by 21 those possibilities are restricted.

    Likewise I think people should have the opportunity to make as much or as little as they want from life. So those who want to climb the wealth ladder can do so while those who are happier with a lower paid but easier life can also find what they want. But with that comes a requirement not to resent those who have become loaded.

    And if you want one practical policy which would fit with your levelling up vision then ban solar farms in the North.

    Cover the Cotswolds and Chilterns, or Hype Park and Hampstead Heath, with them but the North has got its countryside back after two centuries of industrial pollution. Its time for other places to take their turn in supplying the country's energy.
    Equality of opportunity isn't a bad idea, though people often wildly overestimate what the government can do to promote it. But ideas like making private education available to gifted children from poorer families through the assisted places scheme, which Labour scrapped, or abolishing VAT on school fees, which Labour imposed, or reducing payroll taxes and the minimum wage to enable youngsters to get their first job, both of which Labour has increased, or scrapping useless degrees in crummy universities, which Labour promoted, burdening students with tens of thousands in pointless debt, all suggest themselvses.

    There's also the crazy idea of making housing available in wealthy areas to allow young adults to move away from sink estates and collapsing towns, which all parties have catastrophically failed to do, and the construction of which would provide tens of thousands of blue collar jobs.

    So there's plenty that can be done, but only an idiot would trust Labour to do any of it.
    Abolishing VAT on school fees is not going to promote equality of opportunity!
    Why?
    The people where VAT is going to make a difference to whether they send their kids to private school or not are going to be above median earners already. Poorer families, those with fewer opportunities, can't afford private school fees even if they don't have VAT on them.
    VAT on school fees shrinks the education sector and leads to a higher burden on taxpayers, not less.

    More independent schools remaining open means more opportunities overall for all children.

    You need to get that through your head.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,653

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    Burnham's agenda can be summed up in two words.
    Levelling Up.
    Lots on the right used to think that was a splendid idea.
    Maybe some still do?

    Levelling who up to who.

    Few people want those poroer than themselves to be levelled up to.

    Lots want to be levelled up to those richer than themselves.
    North to the South
    Blue collar to white collar
    State to private
    Non grads to grads
    Hands to brain
    Young to old
    Renters to owners
    Towns to cities
    Skint to loaded

    We'll see how he goes.
    Most of that is either simplistic, misconceived, irrelevant, anachronistic or harmful.

    Overall it looks like some leftist student idealism from the late 1980s.

    The world has moved on from your youth.
    No it hasn't. The same fundamental problem exists as when I was in nappies. Life prospects are determined mainly by birth circumstances. Possibly even more so now.
    Certainly and that's something people born in the western world should be very grateful for.

    What I want is levelling up of opportunity.

    Which includes recognising that opportunities might come and go at different times during a person's life. Especially so in a changing world.

    And that requires people to be able to take those opportunities if they wish so and not overly restricted by previous decisions.

    Which is why your 'non grads to grads' comment is anachronistic. When you and I were young going to university was usually a good idea for the opportunities it offered up and, sometimes more importantly, it didn't handicap you later as student debt now does to the young.

    In the future opportunities might come and new learning / training might be required a person is 25 or 35 or 45. Having loaded up with debt by 21 those possibilities are restricted.

    Likewise I think people should have the opportunity to make as much or as little as they want from life. So those who want to climb the wealth ladder can do so while those who are happier with a lower paid but easier life can also find what they want. But with that comes a requirement not to resent those who have become loaded.

    And if you want one practical policy which would fit with your levelling up vision then ban solar farms in the North.

    Cover the Cotswolds and Chilterns, or Hype Park and Hampstead Heath, with them but the North has got its countryside back after two centuries of industrial pollution. Its time for other places to take their turn in supplying the country's energy.
    A lot of that made sense, but I struggle to see how the key policy to deliver levelling up is not building solar farms in the North???
    Solar farms look horrible and enrich landowners.

    If there's spare land then create lakes with housing and recreational facilities around them.

    Which would be good for the environment and for people's physical and mental health.

    Lakes = pretty, solar farms = ugly.

    Stick the solar farms in thatched cottage areas. I hate the twee.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,185
    Foss said:

    Looks like SpaceX are going to try and launch the new version of Starship at 10.30ish. Should either be a wonder of modern engineering and/or another ruddy great bang. Mission profile here.

    I am only interested if there will be CHOPSTICKS.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,695

    Fishing said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    Burnham's agenda can be summed up in two words.
    Levelling Up.
    Lots on the right used to think that was a splendid idea.
    Maybe some still do?

    Levelling who up to who.

    Few people want those poroer than themselves to be levelled up to.

    Lots want to be levelled up to those richer than themselves.
    North to the South
    Blue collar to white collar
    State to private
    Non grads to grads
    Hands to brain
    Young to old
    Renters to owners
    Towns to cities
    Skint to loaded

    We'll see how he goes.
    Most of that is either simplistic, misconceived, irrelevant, anachronistic or harmful.

    Overall it looks like some leftist student idealism from the late 1980s.

    The world has moved on from your youth.
    No it hasn't. The same fundamental problem exists as when I was in nappies. Life prospects are determined mainly by birth circumstances. Possibly even more so now.
    Certainly and that's something people born in the western world should be very grateful for.

    What I want is levelling up of opportunity.

    Which includes recognising that opportunities might come and go at different times during a person's life. Especially so in a changing world.

    And that requires people to be able to take those opportunities if they wish so and not overly restricted by previous decisions.

    Which is why your 'non grads to grads' comment is anachronistic. When you and I were young going to university was usually a good idea for the opportunities it offered up and, sometimes more importantly, it didn't handicap you later as student debt now does to the young.

    In the future opportunities might come and new learning / training might be required a person is 25 or 35 or 45. Having loaded up with debt by 21 those possibilities are restricted.

    Likewise I think people should have the opportunity to make as much or as little as they want from life. So those who want to climb the wealth ladder can do so while those who are happier with a lower paid but easier life can also find what they want. But with that comes a requirement not to resent those who have become loaded.

    And if you want one practical policy which would fit with your levelling up vision then ban solar farms in the North.

    Cover the Cotswolds and Chilterns, or Hype Park and Hampstead Heath, with them but the North has got its countryside back after two centuries of industrial pollution. Its time for other places to take their turn in supplying the country's energy.
    Equality of opportunity isn't a bad idea, though people often wildly overestimate what the government can do to promote it. But ideas like making private education available to gifted children from poorer families through the assisted places scheme, which Labour scrapped, or abolishing VAT on school fees, which Labour imposed, or reducing payroll taxes and the minimum wage to enable youngsters to get their first job, both of which Labour has increased, or scrapping useless degrees in crummy universities, which Labour promoted, burdening students with tens of thousands in pointless debt, all suggest themselvses.

    There's also the crazy idea of making housing available in wealthy areas to allow young adults to move away from sink estates and collapsing towns, which all parties have catastrophically failed to do, and the construction of which would provide tens of thousands of blue collar jobs.

    So there's plenty that can be done, but only an idiot would trust Labour to do any of it.
    Abolishing VAT on school fees is not going to promote equality of opportunity!
    Why?
    The people where VAT is going to make a difference to whether they send their kids to private school or not are going to be above median earners already. Poorer families, those with fewer opportunities, can't afford private school fees even if they don't have VAT on them.
    VAT on school fees shrinks the education sector and leads to a higher burden on taxpayers, not less.

    More independent schools remaining open means more opportunities overall for all children.

    You need to get that through your head.
    The claim that VAT on private school fees leads to a higher burder on taxpayers is unproven. Predictions that large numbers of kids would leave private school and enter state schools have completely failed to materialise.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,927

    Foss said:

    Looks like SpaceX are going to try and launch the new version of Starship at 10.30ish. Should either be a wonder of modern engineering and/or another ruddy great bang. Mission profile here.

    I am only interested if there will be CHOPSTICKS.
    No Thunderbird-ing with this one.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,695
    edited May 21

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    Burnham's agenda can be summed up in two words.
    Levelling Up.
    Lots on the right used to think that was a splendid idea.
    Maybe some still do?

    Levelling who up to who.

    Few people want those poroer than themselves to be levelled up to.

    Lots want to be levelled up to those richer than themselves.
    North to the South
    Blue collar to white collar
    State to private
    Non grads to grads
    Hands to brain
    Young to old
    Renters to owners
    Towns to cities
    Skint to loaded

    We'll see how he goes.
    Most of that is either simplistic, misconceived, irrelevant, anachronistic or harmful.

    Overall it looks like some leftist student idealism from the late 1980s.

    The world has moved on from your youth.
    No it hasn't. The same fundamental problem exists as when I was in nappies. Life prospects are determined mainly by birth circumstances. Possibly even more so now.
    Certainly and that's something people born in the western world should be very grateful for.

    What I want is levelling up of opportunity.

    Which includes recognising that opportunities might come and go at different times during a person's life. Especially so in a changing world.

    And that requires people to be able to take those opportunities if they wish so and not overly restricted by previous decisions.

    Which is why your 'non grads to grads' comment is anachronistic. When you and I were young going to university was usually a good idea for the opportunities it offered up and, sometimes more importantly, it didn't handicap you later as student debt now does to the young.

    In the future opportunities might come and new learning / training might be required a person is 25 or 35 or 45. Having loaded up with debt by 21 those possibilities are restricted.

    Likewise I think people should have the opportunity to make as much or as little as they want from life. So those who want to climb the wealth ladder can do so while those who are happier with a lower paid but easier life can also find what they want. But with that comes a requirement not to resent those who have become loaded.

    And if you want one practical policy which would fit with your levelling up vision then ban solar farms in the North.

    Cover the Cotswolds and Chilterns, or Hype Park and Hampstead Heath, with them but the North has got its countryside back after two centuries of industrial pollution. Its time for other places to take their turn in supplying the country's energy.
    A lot of that made sense, but I struggle to see how the key policy to deliver levelling up is not building solar farms in the North???
    Solar farms look horrible and enrich landowners.

    If there's spare land then create lakes with housing and recreational facilities around them.

    Which would be good for the environment and for people's physical and mental health.

    Lakes = pretty, solar farms = ugly.

    Stick the solar farms in thatched cottage areas. I hate the twee.
    The South East and the South West are the two regions with most solar farms already, what with it being sunnier down south! See https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67236b70c3b359df50565554/Regional_renewable_electricity_in_2023.pdf
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,419
    Tuchel is about to exceed expectations, if eredivisie goals are "dog" goals what are Saudi pro league goals? Mayfly?

    Toney was a contender a few years ago, but apart from potentially being better acclimatised, the Saudi pro league isn't preparation for the World Cup.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,253
    edited May 21
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,126
    Nigelb said:
    I might rewatch Orbit or City at the Edge of the World tonight. The only character to appear in every episode of Blakes 7 as I remember.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,570
    edited May 21

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    Burnham's agenda can be summed up in two words.
    Levelling Up.
    Lots on the right used to think that was a splendid idea.
    Maybe some still do?

    Levelling who up to who.

    Few people want those poroer than themselves to be levelled up to.

    Lots want to be levelled up to those richer than themselves.
    North to the South
    Blue collar to white collar
    State to private
    Non grads to grads
    Hands to brain
    Young to old
    Renters to owners
    Towns to cities
    Skint to loaded

    We'll see how he goes.
    Most of that is either simplistic, misconceived, irrelevant, anachronistic or harmful.

    Overall it looks like some leftist student idealism from the late 1980s.

    The world has moved on from your youth.
    No it hasn't. The same fundamental problem exists as when I was in nappies. Life prospects are determined mainly by birth circumstances. Possibly even more so now.
    Certainly and that's something people born in the western world should be very grateful for.

    What I want is levelling up of opportunity.

    Which includes recognising that opportunities might come and go at different times during a person's life. Especially so in a changing world.

    And that requires people to be able to take those opportunities if they wish so and not overly restricted by previous decisions.

    Which is why your 'non grads to grads' comment is anachronistic. When you and I were young going to university was usually a good idea for the opportunities it offered up and, sometimes more importantly, it didn't handicap you later as student debt now does to the young.

    In the future opportunities might come and new learning / training might be required a person is 25 or 35 or 45. Having loaded up with debt by 21 those possibilities are restricted.

    Likewise I think people should have the opportunity to make as much or as little as they want from life. So those who want to climb the wealth ladder can do so while those who are happier with a lower paid but easier life can also find what they want. But with that comes a requirement not to resent those who have become loaded.

    And if you want one practical policy which would fit with your levelling up vision then ban solar farms in the North.

    Cover the Cotswolds and Chilterns, or Hype Park and Hampstead Heath, with them but the North has got its countryside back after two centuries of industrial pollution. Its time for other places to take their turn in supplying the country's energy.
    A lot of that made sense, but I struggle to see how the key policy to deliver levelling up is not building solar farms in the North???
    Solar farms look horrible and enrich landowners.

    If there's spare land then create lakes with housing and recreational facilities around them.

    Which would be good for the environment and for people's physical and mental health.

    Lakes = pretty, solar farms = ugly.

    Stick the solar farms in thatched cottage areas. I hate the twee.
    The South East and the South West are the two regions with most solar farms already, what with it being sunnier down south! See https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67236b70c3b359df50565554/Regional_renewable_electricity_in_2023.pdf
    I still find it remarkable that the vast majority of domestic and commercial roofs don’t have panels on them, especially in the sunnier parts of the country. And batteries. The economics are a no brainer.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,185

    Fishing said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    Burnham's agenda can be summed up in two words.
    Levelling Up.
    Lots on the right used to think that was a splendid idea.
    Maybe some still do?

    Levelling who up to who.

    Few people want those poroer than themselves to be levelled up to.

    Lots want to be levelled up to those richer than themselves.
    North to the South
    Blue collar to white collar
    State to private
    Non grads to grads
    Hands to brain
    Young to old
    Renters to owners
    Towns to cities
    Skint to loaded

    We'll see how he goes.
    Most of that is either simplistic, misconceived, irrelevant, anachronistic or harmful.

    Overall it looks like some leftist student idealism from the late 1980s.

    The world has moved on from your youth.
    No it hasn't. The same fundamental problem exists as when I was in nappies. Life prospects are determined mainly by birth circumstances. Possibly even more so now.
    Certainly and that's something people born in the western world should be very grateful for.

    What I want is levelling up of opportunity.

    Which includes recognising that opportunities might come and go at different times during a person's life. Especially so in a changing world.

    And that requires people to be able to take those opportunities if they wish so and not overly restricted by previous decisions.

    Which is why your 'non grads to grads' comment is anachronistic. When you and I were young going to university was usually a good idea for the opportunities it offered up and, sometimes more importantly, it didn't handicap you later as student debt now does to the young.

    In the future opportunities might come and new learning / training might be required a person is 25 or 35 or 45. Having loaded up with debt by 21 those possibilities are restricted.

    Likewise I think people should have the opportunity to make as much or as little as they want from life. So those who want to climb the wealth ladder can do so while those who are happier with a lower paid but easier life can also find what they want. But with that comes a requirement not to resent those who have become loaded.

    And if you want one practical policy which would fit with your levelling up vision then ban solar farms in the North.

    Cover the Cotswolds and Chilterns, or Hype Park and Hampstead Heath, with them but the North has got its countryside back after two centuries of industrial pollution. Its time for other places to take their turn in supplying the country's energy.
    Equality of opportunity isn't a bad idea, though people often wildly overestimate what the government can do to promote it. But ideas like making private education available to gifted children from poorer families through the assisted places scheme, which Labour scrapped, or abolishing VAT on school fees, which Labour imposed, or reducing payroll taxes and the minimum wage to enable youngsters to get their first job, both of which Labour has increased, or scrapping useless degrees in crummy universities, which Labour promoted, burdening students with tens of thousands in pointless debt, all suggest themselvses.

    There's also the crazy idea of making housing available in wealthy areas to allow young adults to move away from sink estates and collapsing towns, which all parties have catastrophically failed to do, and the construction of which would provide tens of thousands of blue collar jobs.

    So there's plenty that can be done, but only an idiot would trust Labour to do any of it.
    Abolishing VAT on school fees is not going to promote equality of opportunity!
    Why?
    The people where VAT is going to make a difference to whether they send their kids to private school or not are going to be above median earners already. Poorer families, those with fewer opportunities, can't afford private school fees even if they don't have VAT on them.
    VAT on school fees shrinks the education sector and leads to a higher burden on taxpayers, not less.

    More independent schools remaining open means more opportunities overall for all children.

    You need to get that through your head.
    The claim that VAT on private school fees leads to a higher burder on taxpayers is unproven. Predictions that large numbers of kids would leave private school and enter state schools have completely failed to materialise.
    Oh, it is proven - and it is materialising.

    I'll go even further: many European countries (which you profess to admire) actually do the precise opposite to this policy and offer tax breaks for private education. Because they recognise their value they offer to the State.

    We don't even consider that here because we're riven by class prejudice, which works its way into bad public policy.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,644
    edited May 21
    ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:
    I might rewatch Orbit or City at the Edge of the World tonight. The only character to appear in every episode of Blakes 7 as I remember.
    Orbit,’ what a cracking choice.

    I’ll re-watch Sunmakers tomorrow and you’re right, only character to appear in every episode.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,827
    I'm sorry, but I have to share this utterly shocking story I just read on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/UtterlyUniquePhotos/comments/1til11x/in_1966_17yearold_franca_viola_was_kidnapped_and/

    It fits in with the whole rape thing earlier. Sorry.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 51,550

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Rachel apparently had a man heckle her for twenty five minutes yesterday and his extremely rude behaviour was congratulated by Nigel Farage. Her reply was exemplary. Can someone tell me what anyone sees in that repulsive disgusting vulgarian.? I can't. Worth watching on Ch4 News.

    That's the real personality of hard core Reform right there. Nasty bunch. Very nasty.
    Steve Bray waves and says Hi and then bellows at a random Tory MP.
    He's a pain in the pipe. But I don't recall him being lionised by any party leader.

    Ah but wasn't that before he went all weird?

    Steve, I mean, not Ed.
    They are literally holding placards screaming the Lib Dem GE Brexit policy - REVOKE
    Shock horror. That was the policy.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 8,001
    I hope there will be a poll.on Reeves vat stunt. . Stunt it is and I hope it gets the decisive thumbs down it deserves.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,253

    Single-sex spaces - such as changing rooms and toilets - must be used on the basis of biological sex, new guidance from the equalities watchdog has confirmed.

    This means, for instance, that a trans woman - a biological male who identifies as a woman - should not use female toilets or changing rooms, according to the code of practice.

    The guidance, produced by the Equalities and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) and now approved by ministers, makes it clear that transgender people should instead be offered a third or a gender-neutral space.

    The code states that leaving a trans person without access to any services or facilities would be unlikely to be proportionate and could be discriminatory.

    As I pointed out in my "Your Friend Susan" article (available from all good purveyors of subtle headlines), "unlikely to be" and "could" are not the same as "is not" and "is". I've had a quick look at the final guidance but it's a long document that deserves more than a hot take. I'll wrap it into the ongoing requests from @RochdalePioneers / @malcolmg / @kinabalu and deal with it later in the year.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,185

    Single-sex spaces - such as changing rooms and toilets - must be used on the basis of biological sex, new guidance from the equalities watchdog has confirmed.

    This means, for instance, that a trans woman - a biological male who identifies as a woman - should not use female toilets or changing rooms, according to the code of practice.

    The guidance, produced by the Equalities and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) and now approved by ministers, makes it clear that transgender people should instead be offered a third or a gender-neutral space.

    The code states that leaving a trans person without access to any services or facilities would be unlikely to be proportionate and could be discriminatory.

    I saw someone who was clearly TRANS last weekend on a steam TRAIN.

    I didn't post it then, less Pb.com have a meltdown.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,253
    Taz said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:
    I might rewatch Orbit or City at the Edge of the World tonight. The only character to appear in every episode of Blakes 7 as I remember.
    Orbit,’ what a cracking choice...
    Is that the one where they have to throw out stuff to attain orbit and Avon works out how heavy Vila is?...
  • PhilPhil Posts: 3,333

    I hope there will be a poll.on Reeves vat stunt. . Stunt it is and I hope it gets the decisive thumbs down it deserves.

    It is the most blatant bit of populism since the last one. Cack handed implementation too - couldn't even be bothered to line up the 5% period with a VAT quarter so every ltd company accountant in the country is going to have to do custom VAT calculations that split the next two quarters.

    They should have just sent everyone on child benefit an extra £20 if they wanted to help families this summer.
  • kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Rachel apparently had a man heckle her for twenty five minutes yesterday and his extremely rude behaviour was congratulated by Nigel Farage. Her reply was exemplary. Can someone tell me what anyone sees in that repulsive disgusting vulgarian.? I can't. Worth watching on Ch4 News.

    That's the real personality of hard core Reform right there. Nasty bunch. Very nasty.
    Steve Bray waves and says Hi and then bellows at a random Tory MP.
    He's a pain in the pipe. But I don't recall him being lionised by any party leader.

    Ah but wasn't that before he went all weird?

    Steve, I mean, not Ed.
    They are literally holding placards screaming the Lib Dem GE Brexit policy - REVOKE
    Shock horror. That was the policy.
    It is still shocking, in retrospect, that one of the "major" political parties campaigned on a policy of completely ignoring and anulling the single biggest democratic mandate in British history. 17.4m Leave votes. The biggest vote for anything ever, and of course the winning vote

    What do the fucking Liberal DEMOCRATS think that would have done to DEMOCRACY? Whyever bother voting again? If posh people don't like your vote, they will simply and openly ignore it, and ignore you

    Electoral turnout would have plunged below 30% thereafter, and that would have been the end of British democracy

    Anyone who avowed for a second vote including Remain - and anyone who went for Revoke - should go away and die of shame and should certainly be excluded from further political roles
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,829

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    Burnham's agenda can be summed up in two words.
    Levelling Up.
    Lots on the right used to think that was a splendid idea.
    Maybe some still do?

    Levelling who up to who.

    Few people want those poroer than themselves to be levelled up to.

    Lots want to be levelled up to those richer than themselves.
    North to the South
    Blue collar to white collar
    State to private
    Non grads to grads
    Hands to brain
    Young to old
    Renters to owners
    Towns to cities
    Skint to loaded

    We'll see how he goes.
    Most of that is either simplistic, misconceived, irrelevant, anachronistic or harmful.

    Overall it looks like some leftist student idealism from the late 1980s.

    The world has moved on from your youth.
    No it hasn't. The same fundamental problem exists as when I was in nappies. Life prospects are determined mainly by birth circumstances. Possibly even more so now.
    Certainly and that's something people born in the western world should be very grateful for.

    What I want is levelling up of opportunity.

    Which includes recognising that opportunities might come and go at different times during a person's life. Especially so in a changing world.

    And that requires people to be able to take those opportunities if they wish so and not overly restricted by previous decisions.

    Which is why your 'non grads to grads' comment is anachronistic. When you and I were young going to university was usually a good idea for the opportunities it offered up and, sometimes more importantly, it didn't handicap you later as student debt now does to the young.

    In the future opportunities might come and new learning / training might be required a person is 25 or 35 or 45. Having loaded up with debt by 21 those possibilities are restricted.

    Likewise I think people should have the opportunity to make as much or as little as they want from life. So those who want to climb the wealth ladder can do so while those who are happier with a lower paid but easier life can also find what they want. But with that comes a requirement not to resent those who have become loaded.

    And if you want one practical policy which would fit with your levelling up vision then ban solar farms in the North.

    Cover the Cotswolds and Chilterns, or Hype Park and Hampstead Heath, with them but the North has got its countryside back after two centuries of industrial pollution. Its time for other places to take their turn in supplying the country's energy.
    A lot of that made sense, but I struggle to see how the key policy to deliver levelling up is not building solar farms in the North???
    Solar farms look horrible and enrich landowners.

    If there's spare land then create lakes with housing and recreational facilities around them.

    Which would be good for the environment and for people's physical and mental health.

    Lakes = pretty, solar farms = ugly.

    Stick the solar farms in thatched cottage areas. I hate the twee.
    If there is surplus agricultural land then it should be rewilded, not built on.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,185
    Hampshire County Council now a Reform-Conservative coalition.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,253

    Hampshire County Council now a Reform-Conservative coalition.

    Rehearsing for 2029...
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,126
    edited May 21
    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:
    I might rewatch Orbit or City at the Edge of the World tonight. The only character to appear in every episode of Blakes 7 as I remember.
    Orbit,’ what a cracking choice...
    Is that the one where they have to throw out stuff to attain orbit and Avon works out how heavy Vila is?...
    I used to have an IRC bot which had a bank of sci-fi facts - and Vila's weight was one of them. NO ONE EVER ASKED!!!

    It's no wonder IRC faded away :-(
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,881
    edited May 21
    Dopermean said:

    Tuchel is about to exceed expectations, if eredivisie goals are "dog" goals what are Saudi pro league goals? Mayfly?

    Toney was a contender a few years ago, but apart from potentially being better acclimatised, the Saudi pro league isn't preparation for the World Cup.

    England are really strong in some positions (hence Palmer not going, given Rogers and Bellingham will be) but weak in others. Apart from Kane (and this is why his match fitness is absolutely critical) the strikers are rather second-tier.
  • TazTaz Posts: 29,644
    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:
    I might rewatch Orbit or City at the Edge of the World tonight. The only character to appear in every episode of Blakes 7 as I remember.
    Orbit,’ what a cracking choice...
    Is that the one where they have to throw out stuff to attain orbit and Avon works out how heavy Vila is?...
    It is indeed and the closing shot is Avon saying to Vila ‘You know you are safe……with me’

    Paul Darrow is so OTT. Love him.
  • Balcony gardening and antique coffee cans are all very well, and enjoyable, but I've just remembered when a very beautiful girl from Stoke on Trent was so desperate for me to have sex with her she tried to kick down my bedroom door at a party, while saying "I luv him! I luv him! I do! I luv him!" even as I was inside undressing a Chinese girl

    SIGH
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 6,126
    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:
    I might rewatch Orbit or City at the Edge of the World tonight. The only character to appear in every episode of Blakes 7 as I remember.
    Orbit,’ what a cracking choice...
    Is that the one where they have to throw out stuff to attain orbit and Avon works out how heavy Vila is?...
    It is indeed and the closing shot is Avon saying to Vila ‘You know you are safe……with me’

    Paul Darrow is so OTT. Love him.
    I wish his idea for the Blakes 7 'reboot' had gone ahead. Not a trad reboot - but just 'real time has passed since the end of the original series' and see how that 'universe' had developed.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332

    Dopermean said:

    Tuchel is about to exceed expectations, if eredivisie goals are "dog" goals what are Saudi pro league goals? Mayfly?

    Toney was a contender a few years ago, but apart from potentially being better acclimatised, the Saudi pro league isn't preparation for the World Cup.

    England are really strong in some positions (hence Palmer not going, given Rogers and Bellingham will be) but weak in others. Apart from Kane (and this is why his match fitness is absolutely critical) the strikers are rather second-tier.
    England have failed to produce top quality strikers for quite a few years now. Its getting a bit like England fast bowlers, Anderson and Broad were great even as they aged, in fact felt like got better with age, a bit like Kane. But the cupboard is very bare outside of that.

    What young England strikers are playing in the EPL at the moment that look like they could be a superstar? I can't think of one.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,881
    edited May 21
    rcs1000 said:

    I'm sorry, but I have to share this utterly shocking story I just read on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/UtterlyUniquePhotos/comments/1til11x/in_1966_17yearold_franca_viola_was_kidnapped_and/

    It fits in with the whole rape thing earlier. Sorry.

    The other day I mentioned that IMO the greatest novel in English is the criminally-underrated Clarissa by Samuel Richardson. It is the heroine's steadfast, unrelenting refusal to submit to (i.e. marry) the man who raped her that is at the heart of the novel. It was first published in 1747.
  • Just done some digging

    Burnham was another second voter. Happy to annul the Brexit vote, without ever enacting it

    Reform should absolutely hammer him on this. Democrat my fucking arse. Man of the people, lol
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,694
    MelonB said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    Burnham's agenda can be summed up in two words.
    Levelling Up.
    Lots on the right used to think that was a splendid idea.
    Maybe some still do?

    Levelling who up to who.

    Few people want those poroer than themselves to be levelled up to.

    Lots want to be levelled up to those richer than themselves.
    North to the South
    Blue collar to white collar
    State to private
    Non grads to grads
    Hands to brain
    Young to old
    Renters to owners
    Towns to cities
    Skint to loaded

    We'll see how he goes.
    Most of that is either simplistic, misconceived, irrelevant, anachronistic or harmful.

    Overall it looks like some leftist student idealism from the late 1980s.

    The world has moved on from your youth.
    No it hasn't. The same fundamental problem exists as when I was in nappies. Life prospects are determined mainly by birth circumstances. Possibly even more so now.
    Certainly and that's something people born in the western world should be very grateful for.

    What I want is levelling up of opportunity.

    Which includes recognising that opportunities might come and go at different times during a person's life. Especially so in a changing world.

    And that requires people to be able to take those opportunities if they wish so and not overly restricted by previous decisions.

    Which is why your 'non grads to grads' comment is anachronistic. When you and I were young going to university was usually a good idea for the opportunities it offered up and, sometimes more importantly, it didn't handicap you later as student debt now does to the young.

    In the future opportunities might come and new learning / training might be required a person is 25 or 35 or 45. Having loaded up with debt by 21 those possibilities are restricted.

    Likewise I think people should have the opportunity to make as much or as little as they want from life. So those who want to climb the wealth ladder can do so while those who are happier with a lower paid but easier life can also find what they want. But with that comes a requirement not to resent those who have become loaded.

    And if you want one practical policy which would fit with your levelling up vision then ban solar farms in the North.

    Cover the Cotswolds and Chilterns, or Hype Park and Hampstead Heath, with them but the North has got its countryside back after two centuries of industrial pollution. Its time for other places to take their turn in supplying the country's energy.
    A lot of that made sense, but I struggle to see how the key policy to deliver levelling up is not building solar farms in the North???
    Solar farms look horrible and enrich landowners.

    If there's spare land then create lakes with housing and recreational facilities around them.

    Which would be good for the environment and for people's physical and mental health.

    Lakes = pretty, solar farms = ugly.

    Stick the solar farms in thatched cottage areas. I hate the twee.
    The South East and the South West are the two regions with most solar farms already, what with it being sunnier down south! See https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/67236b70c3b359df50565554/Regional_renewable_electricity_in_2023.pdf
    I still find it remarkable that the vast majority of domestic and commercial roofs don’t have panels on them, especially in the sunnier parts of the country. And batteries. The economics are a no brainer.
    We got our first electricity bill today after having panels fitted. The power company is now paying us! Such a great feeling.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,229

    Balcony gardening and antique coffee cans are all very well, and enjoyable, but I've just remembered when a very beautiful girl from Stoke on Trent was so desperate for me to have sex with her she tried to kick down my bedroom door at a party, while saying "I luv him! I luv him! I do! I luv him!" even as I was inside undressing a Chinese girl

    SIGH

    Now you’re reduced to masturbating sadly over hefty Dutch peasants cavorting in the fields, immortalised on earthenware.

    It’ll probably depress you to hear that there’s a whole modern scene in Delftware celebrating LGBGT themes.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,185

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Rachel apparently had a man heckle her for twenty five minutes yesterday and his extremely rude behaviour was congratulated by Nigel Farage. Her reply was exemplary. Can someone tell me what anyone sees in that repulsive disgusting vulgarian.? I can't. Worth watching on Ch4 News.

    That's the real personality of hard core Reform right there. Nasty bunch. Very nasty.
    Steve Bray waves and says Hi and then bellows at a random Tory MP.
    He's a pain in the pipe. But I don't recall him being lionised by any party leader.

    Ah but wasn't that before he went all weird?

    Steve, I mean, not Ed.
    They are literally holding placards screaming the Lib Dem GE Brexit policy - REVOKE
    Shock horror. That was the policy.
    It is still shocking, in retrospect, that one of the "major" political parties campaigned on a policy of completely ignoring and anulling the single biggest democratic mandate in British history. 17.4m Leave votes. The biggest vote for anything ever, and of course the winning vote

    What do the fucking Liberal DEMOCRATS think that would have done to DEMOCRACY? Whyever bother voting again? If posh people don't like your vote, they will simply and openly ignore it, and ignore you

    Electoral turnout would have plunged below 30% thereafter, and that would have been the end of British democracy

    Anyone who avowed for a second vote including Remain - and anyone who went for Revoke - should go away and die of shame and should certainly be excluded from further political roles
    Haven't the Liberal Democrats (and SDP before) stood mainly for Eurowanking since at least 1981?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    An investigation by the Manchester Mill website reported claims that the fake independents were put forward by people associated with the Tameside Labour group. Philip Wilson-Marks, the former vice-chairman of the Ashton-under-Lyne Community Labour Party, alleged that he was approached twice about the fake independent tactic, with one of these approaches taking place in Ms Rayner’s kitchen, the Mill reported.

    It is not suggested that Ms Rayner was present during any of the alleged conversations.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/05/21/five-arrested-in-tameside-over-local-election-fraud/
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,185

    Just done some digging

    Burnham was another second voter. Happy to annul the Brexit vote, without ever enacting it

    Reform should absolutely hammer him on this. Democrat my fucking arse. Man of the people, lol

    He's, like, a lifelong careerist.

    We all already know this.

    It's whether or not people hate Starmer enough not to care.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 26,335
    kjh said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Finally my answer (I have been building garden obelisks today despite the freezing weather - I'm wearing warm trousers, woolly jumper, long woolly cardigan, warm ankle boots and wrist warmers on May 21, a month before the nights start drawing in) to today's important question from @kjh -

    "How do you win a prize for a compost heap?"

    You take some of the compost, put it in a jar, with your name and take it to the show before 9 am, where it will be put on show in the relevant part of the produce tent for the all important judging inspection. While that is going on, you get yourself a decent cup of tea and wander round looking at the various exhibits and the animals: lots of sheep of every conceivable variety (I very nearly kidnapped the one in the photograph below), goats and cattle. Plus a whole tent full of chickens and hens and ducks.

    And then when the prizes are announced, you get a sticker and a book on composting plus a very nice notebook and pen which I am still using. A celebratory ice cream follows.

    I have just bought a small greenhouse as well. There is no end to the excitement in my life.


    Sorry for the delay in replying. Classic Car lunch then off to our holiday home in Southwold. Now in pub. Putting compost in a jar is a new one on me. I normally associate it with a wheelbarrow and spade.

    Congratulations on your prize. How the heck do they judge it?
    There's a group of Master Composters who have a whole lot of criteria. They also go round shows and schools proselytising about composting - and the different ways of doing it etc. All useful stuff. Being on the lazy side I just have a heap - several, in fact, and pretty much put everything in them (other than meat obviously) - and then take out the lovely compost from the bottom.
  • Balcony gardening and antique coffee cans are all very well, and enjoyable, but I've just remembered when a very beautiful girl from Stoke on Trent was so desperate for me to have sex with her she tried to kick down my bedroom door at a party, while saying "I luv him! I luv him! I do! I luv him!" even as I was inside undressing a Chinese girl

    SIGH

    Now you’re reduced to masturbating sadly over hefty Dutch peasants cavorting in the fields, immortalised on earthenware.

    It’ll probably depress you to hear that there’s a whole modern scene in Delftware celebrating LGBGT themes.
    I do get almost sexually aroused by some antiques. Emphasise ALMOST

    On the other hand, Lord Byron said that the only vice that is reliable all the way to the grave is greed. And he knew a fair bit about vice
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,400

    Fishing said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    Burnham's agenda can be summed up in two words.
    Levelling Up.
    Lots on the right used to think that was a splendid idea.
    Maybe some still do?

    Levelling who up to who.

    Few people want those poroer than themselves to be levelled up to.

    Lots want to be levelled up to those richer than themselves.
    North to the South
    Blue collar to white collar
    State to private
    Non grads to grads
    Hands to brain
    Young to old
    Renters to owners
    Towns to cities
    Skint to loaded

    We'll see how he goes.
    Most of that is either simplistic, misconceived, irrelevant, anachronistic or harmful.

    Overall it looks like some leftist student idealism from the late 1980s.

    The world has moved on from your youth.
    No it hasn't. The same fundamental problem exists as when I was in nappies. Life prospects are determined mainly by birth circumstances. Possibly even more so now.
    Certainly and that's something people born in the western world should be very grateful for.

    What I want is levelling up of opportunity.

    Which includes recognising that opportunities might come and go at different times during a person's life. Especially so in a changing world.

    And that requires people to be able to take those opportunities if they wish so and not overly restricted by previous decisions.

    Which is why your 'non grads to grads' comment is anachronistic. When you and I were young going to university was usually a good idea for the opportunities it offered up and, sometimes more importantly, it didn't handicap you later as student debt now does to the young.

    In the future opportunities might come and new learning / training might be required a person is 25 or 35 or 45. Having loaded up with debt by 21 those possibilities are restricted.

    Likewise I think people should have the opportunity to make as much or as little as they want from life. So those who want to climb the wealth ladder can do so while those who are happier with a lower paid but easier life can also find what they want. But with that comes a requirement not to resent those who have become loaded.

    And if you want one practical policy which would fit with your levelling up vision then ban solar farms in the North.

    Cover the Cotswolds and Chilterns, or Hype Park and Hampstead Heath, with them but the North has got its countryside back after two centuries of industrial pollution. Its time for other places to take their turn in supplying the country's energy.
    Equality of opportunity isn't a bad idea, though people often wildly overestimate what the government can do to promote it. But ideas like making private education available to gifted children from poorer families through the assisted places scheme, which Labour scrapped, or abolishing VAT on school fees, which Labour imposed, or reducing payroll taxes and the minimum wage to enable youngsters to get their first job, both of which Labour has increased, or scrapping useless degrees in crummy universities, which Labour promoted, burdening students with tens of thousands in pointless debt, all suggest themselvses.

    There's also the crazy idea of making housing available in wealthy areas to allow young adults to move away from sink estates and collapsing towns, which all parties have catastrophically failed to do, and the construction of which would provide tens of thousands of blue collar jobs.

    So there's plenty that can be done, but only an idiot would trust Labour to do any of it.
    Abolishing VAT on school fees is not going to promote equality of opportunity!
    Why?
    The people where VAT is going to make a difference to whether they send their kids to private school or not are going to be above median earners already. Poorer families, those with fewer opportunities, can't afford private school fees even if they don't have VAT on them.
    VAT on school fees shrinks the education sector and leads to a higher burden on taxpayers, not less.

    More independent schools remaining open means more opportunities overall for all children.

    You need to get that through your head.
    The claim that VAT on private school fees leads to a higher burder on taxpayers is unproven. Predictions that large numbers of kids would leave private school and enter state schools have completely failed to materialise.
    Apparently the tax is raising more money than expected.
    https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/labours-private-school-tax-hike-is-set-to-raise-more-money-than-expected-399462/
  • Just done some digging

    Burnham was another second voter. Happy to annul the Brexit vote, without ever enacting it

    Reform should absolutely hammer him on this. Democrat my fucking arse. Man of the people, lol

    He's, like, a lifelong careerist.

    We all already know this.

    It's whether or not people hate Starmer enough not to care.
    Might be worth a couple of thousand votes tho, who knows? It's a very Leave constituency

    BIG NIGE, if you are reading: Burnham wanted a Second Vote. He wanted to ignore 17.4m Leave voters
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 25,016
    Foss said:

    Looks like SpaceX are going to try and launch the new version of Starship at 10.30ish. Should either be a wonder of modern engineering and/or another ruddy great bang. Mission profile here.

    They're doing a few funky things to test the limits of the Starship on re-entry, so I guess that increases the odds of a bang.

    They seem to be running things a bit fine to get ready for the Moon mission after a run of explosions last year.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,182
    rkrkrk said:

    Fishing said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    Burnham's agenda can be summed up in two words.
    Levelling Up.
    Lots on the right used to think that was a splendid idea.
    Maybe some still do?

    Levelling who up to who.

    Few people want those poroer than themselves to be levelled up to.

    Lots want to be levelled up to those richer than themselves.
    North to the South
    Blue collar to white collar
    State to private
    Non grads to grads
    Hands to brain
    Young to old
    Renters to owners
    Towns to cities
    Skint to loaded

    We'll see how he goes.
    Most of that is either simplistic, misconceived, irrelevant, anachronistic or harmful.

    Overall it looks like some leftist student idealism from the late 1980s.

    The world has moved on from your youth.
    No it hasn't. The same fundamental problem exists as when I was in nappies. Life prospects are determined mainly by birth circumstances. Possibly even more so now.
    Certainly and that's something people born in the western world should be very grateful for.

    What I want is levelling up of opportunity.

    Which includes recognising that opportunities might come and go at different times during a person's life. Especially so in a changing world.

    And that requires people to be able to take those opportunities if they wish so and not overly restricted by previous decisions.

    Which is why your 'non grads to grads' comment is anachronistic. When you and I were young going to university was usually a good idea for the opportunities it offered up and, sometimes more importantly, it didn't handicap you later as student debt now does to the young.

    In the future opportunities might come and new learning / training might be required a person is 25 or 35 or 45. Having loaded up with debt by 21 those possibilities are restricted.

    Likewise I think people should have the opportunity to make as much or as little as they want from life. So those who want to climb the wealth ladder can do so while those who are happier with a lower paid but easier life can also find what they want. But with that comes a requirement not to resent those who have become loaded.

    And if you want one practical policy which would fit with your levelling up vision then ban solar farms in the North.

    Cover the Cotswolds and Chilterns, or Hype Park and Hampstead Heath, with them but the North has got its countryside back after two centuries of industrial pollution. Its time for other places to take their turn in supplying the country's energy.
    Equality of opportunity isn't a bad idea, though people often wildly overestimate what the government can do to promote it. But ideas like making private education available to gifted children from poorer families through the assisted places scheme, which Labour scrapped, or abolishing VAT on school fees, which Labour imposed, or reducing payroll taxes and the minimum wage to enable youngsters to get their first job, both of which Labour has increased, or scrapping useless degrees in crummy universities, which Labour promoted, burdening students with tens of thousands in pointless debt, all suggest themselvses.

    There's also the crazy idea of making housing available in wealthy areas to allow young adults to move away from sink estates and collapsing towns, which all parties have catastrophically failed to do, and the construction of which would provide tens of thousands of blue collar jobs.

    So there's plenty that can be done, but only an idiot would trust Labour to do any of it.
    Abolishing VAT on school fees is not going to promote equality of opportunity!
    Why?
    The people where VAT is going to make a difference to whether they send their kids to private school or not are going to be above median earners already. Poorer families, those with fewer opportunities, can't afford private school fees even if they don't have VAT on them.
    VAT on school fees shrinks the education sector and leads to a higher burden on taxpayers, not less.

    More independent schools remaining open means more opportunities overall for all children.

    You need to get that through your head.
    The claim that VAT on private school fees leads to a higher burder on taxpayers is unproven. Predictions that large numbers of kids would leave private school and enter state schools have completely failed to materialise.
    Apparently the tax is raising more money than expected.
    https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/labours-private-school-tax-hike-is-set-to-raise-more-money-than-expected-399462/
    That headline seems very removed from the actual quote in the Telegraph's article:

    However, Treasury sources told The Telegraph that despite more pupils moving into the state sector than predicted, ministers believe they are “on track to raise the revenue forecast if not slightly exceed it”.
  • Keir mate, sit this by-election out.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,229
    edited May 21

    Balcony gardening and antique coffee cans are all very well, and enjoyable, but I've just remembered when a very beautiful girl from Stoke on Trent was so desperate for me to have sex with her she tried to kick down my bedroom door at a party, while saying "I luv him! I luv him! I do! I luv him!" even as I was inside undressing a Chinese girl

    SIGH

    Now you’re reduced to masturbating sadly over hefty Dutch peasants cavorting in the fields, immortalised on earthenware.

    It’ll probably depress you to hear that there’s a whole modern scene in Delftware celebrating LGBGT themes.
    I do get almost sexually aroused by some antiques. Emphasise ALMOST

    On the other hand, Lord Byron said that the only vice that is reliable all the way to the grave is greed. And he knew a fair bit about vice
    Byron was the name of my house at school, bloody little vice going on there aside from bullying.

    Old George would do it with a barber’s floor, though even he might draw the line at licking C**** V********’s a*******.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:
    I might rewatch Orbit or City at the Edge of the World tonight. The only character to appear in every episode of Blakes 7 as I remember.
    ohnotnow said:

    Nigelb said:
    I might rewatch Orbit or City at the Edge of the World tonight. The only character to appear in every episode of Blakes 7 as I remember.
    All 52.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,579

    Just done some digging

    Burnham was another second voter. Happy to annul the Brexit vote, without ever enacting it

    Reform should absolutely hammer him on this. Democrat my fucking arse. Man of the people, lol

    I'm no longer convinced he'll win the by-election. Reform's campaign is going to show him up as Starmer with a northern accent. I'm loathe to raise the topic but his record on single sex spaces is poor as well, another area Reform will bury him on.

    He can be as northern and plain spoken as he likes but the content of what he's saying is a bunch of wanky liberal bullshit and Reform have got the perfect candidate to beat him. Someone local, down to earth and has a bit of bants about him. The pearl clutching over social media posts about big tits is laughable. Private message groups among men and women are much, much coarser.
  • MaxPB said:

    Just done some digging

    Burnham was another second voter. Happy to annul the Brexit vote, without ever enacting it

    Reform should absolutely hammer him on this. Democrat my fucking arse. Man of the people, lol

    I'm no longer convinced he'll win the by-election. Reform's campaign is going to show him up as Starmer with a northern accent. I'm loathe to raise the topic but his record on single sex spaces is poor as well, another area Reform will bury him on.

    He can be as northern and plain spoken as he likes but the content of what he's saying is a bunch of wanky liberal bullshit and Reform have got the perfect candidate to beat him. Someone local, down to earth and has a bit of bants about him. The pearl clutching over social media posts about big tits is laughable. Private message groups among men and women are much, much coarser.
    A candidate with a rather "colourful" history, shall we say.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Rachel apparently had a man heckle her for twenty five minutes yesterday and his extremely rude behaviour was congratulated by Nigel Farage. Her reply was exemplary. Can someone tell me what anyone sees in that repulsive disgusting vulgarian.? I can't. Worth watching on Ch4 News.

    That's the real personality of hard core Reform right there. Nasty bunch. Very nasty.
    Steve Bray waves and says Hi and then bellows at a random Tory MP.
    He's a pain in the pipe. But I don't recall him being lionised by any party leader.

    Ah but wasn't that before he went all weird?

    Steve, I mean, not Ed.
    They are literally holding placards screaming the Lib Dem GE Brexit policy - REVOKE
    Shock horror. That was the policy.
    It is still shocking, in retrospect, that one of the "major" political parties campaigned on a policy of completely ignoring and anulling the single biggest democratic mandate in British history. 17.4m Leave votes. The biggest vote for anything ever, and of course the winning vote

    What do the fucking Liberal DEMOCRATS think that would have done to DEMOCRACY? Whyever bother voting again? If posh people don't like your vote, they will simply and openly ignore it, and ignore you

    Electoral turnout would have plunged below 30% thereafter, and that would have been the end of British democracy

    Anyone who avowed for a second vote including Remain - and anyone who went for Revoke - should go away and die of shame and should certainly be excluded from further political roles
    You got your way, and everyone hates it.

    Give it a fucking rest for once in your life.
  • Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Rachel apparently had a man heckle her for twenty five minutes yesterday and his extremely rude behaviour was congratulated by Nigel Farage. Her reply was exemplary. Can someone tell me what anyone sees in that repulsive disgusting vulgarian.? I can't. Worth watching on Ch4 News.

    That's the real personality of hard core Reform right there. Nasty bunch. Very nasty.
    Steve Bray waves and says Hi and then bellows at a random Tory MP.
    He's a pain in the pipe. But I don't recall him being lionised by any party leader.

    Ah but wasn't that before he went all weird?

    Steve, I mean, not Ed.
    They are literally holding placards screaming the Lib Dem GE Brexit policy - REVOKE
    Shock horror. That was the policy.
    It is still shocking, in retrospect, that one of the "major" political parties campaigned on a policy of completely ignoring and anulling the single biggest democratic mandate in British history. 17.4m Leave votes. The biggest vote for anything ever, and of course the winning vote

    What do the fucking Liberal DEMOCRATS think that would have done to DEMOCRACY? Whyever bother voting again? If posh people don't like your vote, they will simply and openly ignore it, and ignore you

    Electoral turnout would have plunged below 30% thereafter, and that would have been the end of British democracy

    Anyone who avowed for a second vote including Remain - and anyone who went for Revoke - should go away and die of shame and should certainly be excluded from further political roles
    You got your way, and everyone hates it.

    Give it a fucking rest for once in your life.
    hahahah
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,702

    Just done some digging

    Burnham was another second voter. Happy to annul the Brexit vote, without ever enacting it

    Reform should absolutely hammer him on this. Democrat my fucking arse. Man of the people, lol

    He's, like, a lifelong careerist.

    We all already know this.

    It's whether or not people hate Starmer enough not to care.
    Might be worth a couple of thousand votes tho, who knows? It's a very Leave constituency

    BIG NIGE, if you are reading: Burnham wanted a Second Vote. He wanted to ignore 17.4m Leave voters
    Burnham has a Labour problem. Or really a 'progressive' problem. Women with willies, second votes, energy policy (oil from Russia not Aberdeen), immigration/asylum. He is 100% cookie cutter Labour on all those issues, and any (or all) could prove toxic. He of course has the option to decisively break from these positions, but that will give him problems in the subsequent leadership vote.

    I still think he can do it. Not so much due to personal affection for him (though that does exist) but through long-standing Labour supporters going back to their comfort zone and choosing someone who plays all the old hits and gets a good tune out of the piano.

    I don't know what will happen or really what I want to happen.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,579
    Sean_F said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    I know people do not support the death penalty, but these arseholes should surely never again be out of prison?

    "Girl begged for help at window as officials drove away from 'beastie house', paedophile ring report says"

    https://news.sky.com/story/girl-begged-for-help-at-window-as-officials-drove-away-from-beastie-house-paedophile-ring-report-says-13545820

    And don't get me started on those who failed to intervene.

    Those charged with protecting children preferred a quiet life, and looked the other way.

    Same old, same old.
    They do appear to be quite selective. Some cases they try to take away your children for misgendering one of their classmates, but in others seem to have little trouble ignoring or batting away very legitimate concerns of abuse.
    No child has ever been taken away for misgendering a classmate. Don’t be silly.

    The Sky story is horrific. At least some justice has now arrived.
    Such stories are not confined to the UK.
    This was reported from Florida a couple of days ago.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article315443888.html
    ..The twins and their older brother Tal Alexander were convicted in March of multiple federal sex crimes, including sex trafficking. But a Miami Herald investigation found their pattern of drugging, raping, and videotaping their abuse of girls began decades earlier – when they were as young as 15 and still in high school.

    Six women told the Herald they were raped or assaulted by one or more of the brothers between 2002 and 2004, while the three brothers were attending Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School near Aventura. One spoke to police, and despite her accusations, police did not interview all the boys, and the school appears to have taken no disciplinary action.

    The women said the assaults were rampant, and occurred at teen hangouts devoid of parental supervision, at the homes of the Alexander brothers or their friends. Half of the women spoke to the FBI about what happened to them when they were younger.

    The women were students at Krop, a large Miami-Dade public high school, or nearby Miami Country Day School, a private school. One was in eighth grade when a group of boys, including Tal, “dragged” her into a bedroom, she said. She believes she was drugged.

    “It just seems like the adults completely f—--- abdicated their responsibility,” that woman told the Herald.

    In the 2003 report, which notes that Krop’s principal was informed after a school resource officer called law enforcement, police did not interview the brothers, and the State Attorney’s Office declined to press charges...
    Yes, there is a subset of men who are total shits. And if they think that there are no consequences for bad beheviour will act in ways that are almost incomprehensible.
    These are the sort of men who joined Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger. If they had ever possessed any form of humanity, it had left them long ago. I remember having this discussion with @Leon_VotedForStarmer where we agreed we had both met murderers, and they were not necessarily terrible people. A murder might be committed in a moment of madness (premeditated murder is different of course).

    But, sex criminals of this type? They are simply purely evil.
    What do we do about the judges who let teenage rapists walk out of court? These kids learn at a very young age that there’s little actual consequence for serious sexual offences.

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15836845/Teenage-gang-lured-schoolgirl-15-underpass-laughed-filmed-raping-handed-youth-rehabilitation-orders.html
    ‘The judge also praised the boys for their conduct during the trial, saying 'I think of you as very young and none of you have been in any big trouble before.

    'You have all done very well with the restrictions put in place throughout the trial.’
    It's almost as if the judge considers rape to be a minor pecadillo, rather than an extremely serious crime.

    Imagine how the victim must feel, to learn that the judge sympathises far more with the rapists than he does with her.
    Look at the BBC article from the other day painting those disgusting men selling their daughters into sex slavery and child marriage as the victims.

    People in positions of authority have never taken these crimes seriously and look at what it has resulted in time and again in this country. Scandal after scandal and nothing seems to get done about it. As I said earlier, child rape is the crime I'd consider bringing the death penalty back for. People who can do that to children are beyond redemption.
  • rkrkrk said:

    Fishing said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    Burnham's agenda can be summed up in two words.
    Levelling Up.
    Lots on the right used to think that was a splendid idea.
    Maybe some still do?

    Levelling who up to who.

    Few people want those poroer than themselves to be levelled up to.

    Lots want to be levelled up to those richer than themselves.
    North to the South
    Blue collar to white collar
    State to private
    Non grads to grads
    Hands to brain
    Young to old
    Renters to owners
    Towns to cities
    Skint to loaded

    We'll see how he goes.
    Most of that is either simplistic, misconceived, irrelevant, anachronistic or harmful.

    Overall it looks like some leftist student idealism from the late 1980s.

    The world has moved on from your youth.
    No it hasn't. The same fundamental problem exists as when I was in nappies. Life prospects are determined mainly by birth circumstances. Possibly even more so now.
    Certainly and that's something people born in the western world should be very grateful for.

    What I want is levelling up of opportunity.

    Which includes recognising that opportunities might come and go at different times during a person's life. Especially so in a changing world.

    And that requires people to be able to take those opportunities if they wish so and not overly restricted by previous decisions.

    Which is why your 'non grads to grads' comment is anachronistic. When you and I were young going to university was usually a good idea for the opportunities it offered up and, sometimes more importantly, it didn't handicap you later as student debt now does to the young.

    In the future opportunities might come and new learning / training might be required a person is 25 or 35 or 45. Having loaded up with debt by 21 those possibilities are restricted.

    Likewise I think people should have the opportunity to make as much or as little as they want from life. So those who want to climb the wealth ladder can do so while those who are happier with a lower paid but easier life can also find what they want. But with that comes a requirement not to resent those who have become loaded.

    And if you want one practical policy which would fit with your levelling up vision then ban solar farms in the North.

    Cover the Cotswolds and Chilterns, or Hype Park and Hampstead Heath, with them but the North has got its countryside back after two centuries of industrial pollution. Its time for other places to take their turn in supplying the country's energy.
    Equality of opportunity isn't a bad idea, though people often wildly overestimate what the government can do to promote it. But ideas like making private education available to gifted children from poorer families through the assisted places scheme, which Labour scrapped, or abolishing VAT on school fees, which Labour imposed, or reducing payroll taxes and the minimum wage to enable youngsters to get their first job, both of which Labour has increased, or scrapping useless degrees in crummy universities, which Labour promoted, burdening students with tens of thousands in pointless debt, all suggest themselvses.

    There's also the crazy idea of making housing available in wealthy areas to allow young adults to move away from sink estates and collapsing towns, which all parties have catastrophically failed to do, and the construction of which would provide tens of thousands of blue collar jobs.

    So there's plenty that can be done, but only an idiot would trust Labour to do any of it.
    Abolishing VAT on school fees is not going to promote equality of opportunity!
    Why?
    The people where VAT is going to make a difference to whether they send their kids to private school or not are going to be above median earners already. Poorer families, those with fewer opportunities, can't afford private school fees even if they don't have VAT on them.
    VAT on school fees shrinks the education sector and leads to a higher burden on taxpayers, not less.

    More independent schools remaining open means more opportunities overall for all children.

    You need to get that through your head.
    The claim that VAT on private school fees leads to a higher burder on taxpayers is unproven. Predictions that large numbers of kids would leave private school and enter state schools have completely failed to materialise.
    Apparently the tax is raising more money than expected.
    https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/labours-private-school-tax-hike-is-set-to-raise-more-money-than-expected-399462/
    One of the few things that Labour planned to do, did and is popular.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    Final episode of The Boys yesterday.
    The end of the best piece of potty mouthed, gratuitously violent satire to date.

    Karl Urban deserves awards.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 41,035
    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    I know people do not support the death penalty, but these arseholes should surely never again be out of prison?

    "Girl begged for help at window as officials drove away from 'beastie house', paedophile ring report says"

    https://news.sky.com/story/girl-begged-for-help-at-window-as-officials-drove-away-from-beastie-house-paedophile-ring-report-says-13545820

    And don't get me started on those who failed to intervene.

    Those charged with protecting children preferred a quiet life, and looked the other way.

    Same old, same old.
    They do appear to be quite selective. Some cases they try to take away your children for misgendering one of their classmates, but in others seem to have little trouble ignoring or batting away very legitimate concerns of abuse.
    No child has ever been taken away for misgendering a classmate. Don’t be silly.

    The Sky story is horrific. At least some justice has now arrived.
    Such stories are not confined to the UK.
    This was reported from Florida a couple of days ago.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article315443888.html
    ..The twins and their older brother Tal Alexander were convicted in March of multiple federal sex crimes, including sex trafficking. But a Miami Herald investigation found their pattern of drugging, raping, and videotaping their abuse of girls began decades earlier – when they were as young as 15 and still in high school.

    Six women told the Herald they were raped or assaulted by one or more of the brothers between 2002 and 2004, while the three brothers were attending Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School near Aventura. One spoke to police, and despite her accusations, police did not interview all the boys, and the school appears to have taken no disciplinary action.

    The women said the assaults were rampant, and occurred at teen hangouts devoid of parental supervision, at the homes of the Alexander brothers or their friends. Half of the women spoke to the FBI about what happened to them when they were younger.

    The women were students at Krop, a large Miami-Dade public high school, or nearby Miami Country Day School, a private school. One was in eighth grade when a group of boys, including Tal, “dragged” her into a bedroom, she said. She believes she was drugged.

    “It just seems like the adults completely f—--- abdicated their responsibility,” that woman told the Herald.

    In the 2003 report, which notes that Krop’s principal was informed after a school resource officer called law enforcement, police did not interview the brothers, and the State Attorney’s Office declined to press charges...
    Yes, there is a subset of men who are total shits. And if they think that there are no consequences for bad beheviour will act in ways that are almost incomprehensible.
    These are the sort of men who joined Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger. If they had ever possessed any form of humanity, it had left them long ago. I remember having this discussion with @Leon_VotedForStarmer where we agreed we had both met murderers, and they were not necessarily terrible people. A murder might be committed in a moment of madness (premeditated murder is different of course).

    But, sex criminals of this type? They are simply purely evil.
    What do we do about the judges who let teenage rapists walk out of court? These kids learn at a very young age that there’s little actual consequence for serious sexual offences.

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15836845/Teenage-gang-lured-schoolgirl-15-underpass-laughed-filmed-raping-handed-youth-rehabilitation-orders.html
    ‘The judge also praised the boys for their conduct during the trial, saying 'I think of you as very young and none of you have been in any big trouble before.

    'You have all done very well with the restrictions put in place throughout the trial.’
    It's almost as if the judge considers rape to be a minor pecadillo, rather than an extremely serious crime.

    Imagine how the victim must feel, to learn that the judge sympathises far more with the rapists than he does with her.
    Look at the BBC article from the other day painting those disgusting men selling their daughters into sex slavery and child marriage as the victims.

    People in positions of authority have never taken these crimes seriously and look at what it has resulted in time and again in this country. Scandal after scandal and nothing seems to get done about it. As I said earlier, child rape is the crime I'd consider bringing the death penalty back for. People who can do that to children are beyond redemption.
    They were selling their daughters to relatives, so those relatives could rape them. None of those relatives seemed to think "If I have some money, shouldn't I try to help out family members who are in trouble?" Rather, they were thinking, "Now I can purchase a girl."

    And, you are correct, the evidence is overwhelming, that sexual offences against children and teenagers, are not actually considered to be crimes, by quite a lot of people in authority.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 3,333
    Nigelb said:

    Final episode of The Boys yesterday.
    The end of the best piece of potty mouthed, gratuitously violent satire to date.

    Karl Urban deserves awards.

    Series 5 was unfortunately shit. Should have stopped at 3.
  • Balcony gardening and antique coffee cans are all very well, and enjoyable, but I've just remembered when a very beautiful girl from Stoke on Trent was so desperate for me to have sex with her she tried to kick down my bedroom door at a party, while saying "I luv him! I luv him! I do! I luv him!" even as I was inside undressing a Chinese girl

    SIGH

    Now you’re reduced to masturbating sadly over hefty Dutch peasants cavorting in the fields, immortalised on earthenware.

    It’ll probably depress you to hear that there’s a whole modern scene in Delftware celebrating LGBGT themes.
    I do get almost sexually aroused by some antiques. Emphasise ALMOST

    On the other hand, Lord Byron said that the only vice that is reliable all the way to the grave is greed. And he knew a fair bit about vice
    Byron was the name of my house at school, bloody little vice going on there aside from bullying.

    Old George would do it with a barber’s floor, though even he might draw the line at licking C**** V********’s a*******.
    One of my favourite Byronic quips concerns Jane Harley, Countess of Oxford. One of Byron's many conquests

    By all accounts she was quite the goer, and as a result her many kids had, let us say, inconsistent paternity. As a result, later in life in one of his vagrant fits of genius, Byron named her brood "the Harleian Miscellany"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Harleian_Miscellany
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,534
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Rachel apparently had a man heckle her for twenty five minutes yesterday and his extremely rude behaviour was congratulated by Nigel Farage. Her reply was exemplary. Can someone tell me what anyone sees in that repulsive disgusting vulgarian.? I can't. Worth watching on Ch4 News.

    That's the real personality of hard core Reform right there. Nasty bunch. Very nasty.
    Steve Bray waves and says Hi and then bellows at a random Tory MP.
    He's a pain in the pipe. But I don't recall him being lionised by any party leader.

    Ah but wasn't that before he went all weird?

    Steve, I mean, not Ed.
    They are literally holding placards screaming the Lib Dem GE Brexit policy - REVOKE
    Shock horror. That was the policy.
    It is still shocking, in retrospect, that one of the "major" political parties campaigned on a policy of completely ignoring and anulling the single biggest democratic mandate in British history. 17.4m Leave votes. The biggest vote for anything ever, and of course the winning vote

    What do the fucking Liberal DEMOCRATS think that would have done to DEMOCRACY? Whyever bother voting again? If posh people don't like your vote, they will simply and openly ignore it, and ignore you

    Electoral turnout would have plunged below 30% thereafter, and that would have been the end of British democracy

    Anyone who avowed for a second vote including Remain - and anyone who went for Revoke - should go away and die of shame and should certainly be excluded from further political roles
    You got your way, and everyone hates it.

    Give it a fucking rest for once in your life.
    Have you ever seen a winning side moan so much ? All we’ve heard for years is Brexit wasn’t delivered properly, the civil service are sabotaging it, blah blah blah …

  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,185
    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Rachel apparently had a man heckle her for twenty five minutes yesterday and his extremely rude behaviour was congratulated by Nigel Farage. Her reply was exemplary. Can someone tell me what anyone sees in that repulsive disgusting vulgarian.? I can't. Worth watching on Ch4 News.

    That's the real personality of hard core Reform right there. Nasty bunch. Very nasty.
    Steve Bray waves and says Hi and then bellows at a random Tory MP.
    He's a pain in the pipe. But I don't recall him being lionised by any party leader.

    Ah but wasn't that before he went all weird?

    Steve, I mean, not Ed.
    They are literally holding placards screaming the Lib Dem GE Brexit policy - REVOKE
    Shock horror. That was the policy.
    It is still shocking, in retrospect, that one of the "major" political parties campaigned on a policy of completely ignoring and anulling the single biggest democratic mandate in British history. 17.4m Leave votes. The biggest vote for anything ever, and of course the winning vote

    What do the fucking Liberal DEMOCRATS think that would have done to DEMOCRACY? Whyever bother voting again? If posh people don't like your vote, they will simply and openly ignore it, and ignore you

    Electoral turnout would have plunged below 30% thereafter, and that would have been the end of British democracy

    Anyone who avowed for a second vote including Remain - and anyone who went for Revoke - should go away and die of shame and should certainly be excluded from further political roles
    You got your way, and everyone hates it.

    Give it a fucking rest for once in your life.
    Loooooooolllllll
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,579
    Sean_F said:

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    I know people do not support the death penalty, but these arseholes should surely never again be out of prison?

    "Girl begged for help at window as officials drove away from 'beastie house', paedophile ring report says"

    https://news.sky.com/story/girl-begged-for-help-at-window-as-officials-drove-away-from-beastie-house-paedophile-ring-report-says-13545820

    And don't get me started on those who failed to intervene.

    Those charged with protecting children preferred a quiet life, and looked the other way.

    Same old, same old.
    They do appear to be quite selective. Some cases they try to take away your children for misgendering one of their classmates, but in others seem to have little trouble ignoring or batting away very legitimate concerns of abuse.
    No child has ever been taken away for misgendering a classmate. Don’t be silly.

    The Sky story is horrific. At least some justice has now arrived.
    Such stories are not confined to the UK.
    This was reported from Florida a couple of days ago.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article315443888.html
    ..The twins and their older brother Tal Alexander were convicted in March of multiple federal sex crimes, including sex trafficking. But a Miami Herald investigation found their pattern of drugging, raping, and videotaping their abuse of girls began decades earlier – when they were as young as 15 and still in high school.

    Six women told the Herald they were raped or assaulted by one or more of the brothers between 2002 and 2004, while the three brothers were attending Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School near Aventura. One spoke to police, and despite her accusations, police did not interview all the boys, and the school appears to have taken no disciplinary action.

    The women said the assaults were rampant, and occurred at teen hangouts devoid of parental supervision, at the homes of the Alexander brothers or their friends. Half of the women spoke to the FBI about what happened to them when they were younger.

    The women were students at Krop, a large Miami-Dade public high school, or nearby Miami Country Day School, a private school. One was in eighth grade when a group of boys, including Tal, “dragged” her into a bedroom, she said. She believes she was drugged.

    “It just seems like the adults completely f—--- abdicated their responsibility,” that woman told the Herald.

    In the 2003 report, which notes that Krop’s principal was informed after a school resource officer called law enforcement, police did not interview the brothers, and the State Attorney’s Office declined to press charges...
    Yes, there is a subset of men who are total shits. And if they think that there are no consequences for bad beheviour will act in ways that are almost incomprehensible.
    These are the sort of men who joined Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger. If they had ever possessed any form of humanity, it had left them long ago. I remember having this discussion with @Leon_VotedForStarmer where we agreed we had both met murderers, and they were not necessarily terrible people. A murder might be committed in a moment of madness (premeditated murder is different of course).

    But, sex criminals of this type? They are simply purely evil.
    What do we do about the judges who let teenage rapists walk out of court? These kids learn at a very young age that there’s little actual consequence for serious sexual offences.

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15836845/Teenage-gang-lured-schoolgirl-15-underpass-laughed-filmed-raping-handed-youth-rehabilitation-orders.html
    ‘The judge also praised the boys for their conduct during the trial, saying 'I think of you as very young and none of you have been in any big trouble before.

    'You have all done very well with the restrictions put in place throughout the trial.’
    It's almost as if the judge considers rape to be a minor pecadillo, rather than an extremely serious crime.

    Imagine how the victim must feel, to learn that the judge sympathises far more with the rapists than he does with her.
    Look at the BBC article from the other day painting those disgusting men selling their daughters into sex slavery and child marriage as the victims.

    People in positions of authority have never taken these crimes seriously and look at what it has resulted in time and again in this country. Scandal after scandal and nothing seems to get done about it. As I said earlier, child rape is the crime I'd consider bringing the death penalty back for. People who can do that to children are beyond redemption.
    They were selling their daughters to relatives, so those relatives could rape them. None of those relatives seemed to think "If I have some money, shouldn't I try to help out family members who are in trouble?" Rather, they were thinking, "Now I can purchase a girl."

    And, you are correct, the evidence is overwhelming, that sexual offences against children and teenagers, are not actually considered to be crimes, by quite a lot of people in authority.
    Don't worry, those "victims" who's plight the BBC took up will be on boats out of Calais soon enough and living in this country.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    Bit of light relief,

    Every British PM as told by The Inbetweeners
    https://x.com/InbetweenrsFans/status/2057379949347029496?s=20
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,185
    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    I know people do not support the death penalty, but these arseholes should surely never again be out of prison?

    "Girl begged for help at window as officials drove away from 'beastie house', paedophile ring report says"

    https://news.sky.com/story/girl-begged-for-help-at-window-as-officials-drove-away-from-beastie-house-paedophile-ring-report-says-13545820

    And don't get me started on those who failed to intervene.

    Those charged with protecting children preferred a quiet life, and looked the other way.

    Same old, same old.
    They do appear to be quite selective. Some cases they try to take away your children for misgendering one of their classmates, but in others seem to have little trouble ignoring or batting away very legitimate concerns of abuse.
    No child has ever been taken away for misgendering a classmate. Don’t be silly.

    The Sky story is horrific. At least some justice has now arrived.
    Such stories are not confined to the UK.
    This was reported from Florida a couple of days ago.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article315443888.html
    ..The twins and their older brother Tal Alexander were convicted in March of multiple federal sex crimes, including sex trafficking. But a Miami Herald investigation found their pattern of drugging, raping, and videotaping their abuse of girls began decades earlier – when they were as young as 15 and still in high school.

    Six women told the Herald they were raped or assaulted by one or more of the brothers between 2002 and 2004, while the three brothers were attending Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School near Aventura. One spoke to police, and despite her accusations, police did not interview all the boys, and the school appears to have taken no disciplinary action.

    The women said the assaults were rampant, and occurred at teen hangouts devoid of parental supervision, at the homes of the Alexander brothers or their friends. Half of the women spoke to the FBI about what happened to them when they were younger.

    The women were students at Krop, a large Miami-Dade public high school, or nearby Miami Country Day School, a private school. One was in eighth grade when a group of boys, including Tal, “dragged” her into a bedroom, she said. She believes she was drugged.

    “It just seems like the adults completely f—--- abdicated their responsibility,” that woman told the Herald.

    In the 2003 report, which notes that Krop’s principal was informed after a school resource officer called law enforcement, police did not interview the brothers, and the State Attorney’s Office declined to press charges...
    Yes, there is a subset of men who are total shits. And if they think that there are no consequences for bad beheviour will act in ways that are almost incomprehensible.
    These are the sort of men who joined Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger. If they had ever possessed any form of humanity, it had left them long ago. I remember having this discussion with @Leon_VotedForStarmer where we agreed we had both met murderers, and they were not necessarily terrible people. A murder might be committed in a moment of madness (premeditated murder is different of course).

    But, sex criminals of this type? They are simply purely evil.
    What do we do about the judges who let teenage rapists walk out of court? These kids learn at a very young age that there’s little actual consequence for serious sexual offences.

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15836845/Teenage-gang-lured-schoolgirl-15-underpass-laughed-filmed-raping-handed-youth-rehabilitation-orders.html
    ‘The judge also praised the boys for their conduct during the trial, saying 'I think of you as very young and none of you have been in any big trouble before.

    'You have all done very well with the restrictions put in place throughout the trial.’
    It's almost as if the judge considers rape to be a minor pecadillo, rather than an extremely serious crime.

    Imagine how the victim must feel, to learn that the judge sympathises far more with the rapists than he does with her.
    Look at the BBC article from the other day painting those disgusting men selling their daughters into sex slavery and child marriage as the victims.

    People in positions of authority have never taken these crimes seriously and look at what it has resulted in time and again in this country. Scandal after scandal and nothing seems to get done about it. As I said earlier, child rape is the crime I'd consider bringing the death penalty back for. People who can do that to children are beyond redemption.
    The mitigating circumstances, according to the judge (admittedly as channelled by the Daily Mail, so massive health warning there) are:

    ADHD
    Anxiety
    Low Intelligence
    Traveller Community
    Under 16

    No, me neither.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,185

    Balcony gardening and antique coffee cans are all very well, and enjoyable, but I've just remembered when a very beautiful girl from Stoke on Trent was so desperate for me to have sex with her she tried to kick down my bedroom door at a party, while saying "I luv him! I luv him! I do! I luv him!" even as I was inside undressing a Chinese girl

    SIGH

    Now you’re reduced to masturbating sadly over hefty Dutch peasants cavorting in the fields, immortalised on earthenware.

    It’ll probably depress you to hear that there’s a whole modern scene in Delftware celebrating LGBGT themes.
    I do get almost sexually aroused by some antiques. Emphasise ALMOST

    On the other hand, Lord Byron said that the only vice that is reliable all the way to the grave is greed. And he knew a fair bit about vice
    Byron was the name of my house at school, bloody little vice going on there aside from bullying.

    Old George would do it with a barber’s floor, though even he might draw the line at licking C**** V********’s a*******.
    One of my favourite Byronic quips concerns Jane Harley, Countess of Oxford. One of Byron's many conquests

    By all accounts she was quite the goer, and as a result her many kids had, let us say, inconsistent paternity. As a result, later in life in one of his vagrant fits of genius, Byron named her brood "the Harleian Miscellany"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Harleian_Miscellany
    I haven't seen a post this Byronic in a long time.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Rachel apparently had a man heckle her for twenty five minutes yesterday and his extremely rude behaviour was congratulated by Nigel Farage. Her reply was exemplary. Can someone tell me what anyone sees in that repulsive disgusting vulgarian.? I can't. Worth watching on Ch4 News.

    That's the real personality of hard core Reform right there. Nasty bunch. Very nasty.
    Steve Bray waves and says Hi and then bellows at a random Tory MP.
    He's a pain in the pipe. But I don't recall him being lionised by any party leader.

    Ah but wasn't that before he went all weird?

    Steve, I mean, not Ed.
    They are literally holding placards screaming the Lib Dem GE Brexit policy - REVOKE
    Shock horror. That was the policy.
    It is still shocking, in retrospect, that one of the "major" political parties campaigned on a policy of completely ignoring and anulling the single biggest democratic mandate in British history. 17.4m Leave votes. The biggest vote for anything ever, and of course the winning vote

    What do the fucking Liberal DEMOCRATS think that would have done to DEMOCRACY? Whyever bother voting again? If posh people don't like your vote, they will simply and openly ignore it, and ignore you

    Electoral turnout would have plunged below 30% thereafter, and that would have been the end of British democracy

    Anyone who avowed for a second vote including Remain - and anyone who went for Revoke - should go away and die of shame and should certainly be excluded from further political roles
    You got your way, and everyone hates it.

    Give it a fucking rest for once in your life.
    Loooooooolllllll
    Yes, the idea that Leon would ever give it a rest is indeed absurd.

    Your reaction is also somewhat characteristic.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,396
    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Rachel apparently had a man heckle her for twenty five minutes yesterday and his extremely rude behaviour was congratulated by Nigel Farage. Her reply was exemplary. Can someone tell me what anyone sees in that repulsive disgusting vulgarian.? I can't. Worth watching on Ch4 News.

    That's the real personality of hard core Reform right there. Nasty bunch. Very nasty.
    Steve Bray waves and says Hi and then bellows at a random Tory MP.
    He's a pain in the pipe. But I don't recall him being lionised by any party leader.

    Ah but wasn't that before he went all weird?

    Steve, I mean, not Ed.
    They are literally holding placards screaming the Lib Dem GE Brexit policy - REVOKE
    Shock horror. That was the policy.
    It is still shocking, in retrospect, that one of the "major" political parties campaigned on a policy of completely ignoring and anulling the single biggest democratic mandate in British history. 17.4m Leave votes. The biggest vote for anything ever, and of course the winning vote

    What do the fucking Liberal DEMOCRATS think that would have done to DEMOCRACY? Whyever bother voting again? If posh people don't like your vote, they will simply and openly ignore it, and ignore you

    Electoral turnout would have plunged below 30% thereafter, and that would have been the end of British democracy

    Anyone who avowed for a second vote including Remain - and anyone who went for Revoke - should go away and die of shame and should certainly be excluded from further political roles
    You got your way, and everyone hates it.

    Give it a fucking rest for once in your life.
    Have you ever seen a winning side moan so much ? All we’ve heard for years is Brexit wasn’t delivered properly, the civil service are sabotaging it, blah blah blah …

    Easy peasy to explain.

    Brexit happened. But a lot of the things people hoped would flow from Brexit didn't. Partly because of political choices, mostly because they were never bloody well going to happen.

    Ask the question "what do you want to happen?" Keep asking it through abstractions about "my country back" or "a government I can vote out" until you get to tangibles.

    Because the tangibles are what matter most.
  • MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    I know people do not support the death penalty, but these arseholes should surely never again be out of prison?

    "Girl begged for help at window as officials drove away from 'beastie house', paedophile ring report says"

    https://news.sky.com/story/girl-begged-for-help-at-window-as-officials-drove-away-from-beastie-house-paedophile-ring-report-says-13545820

    And don't get me started on those who failed to intervene.

    Those charged with protecting children preferred a quiet life, and looked the other way.

    Same old, same old.
    They do appear to be quite selective. Some cases they try to take away your children for misgendering one of their classmates, but in others seem to have little trouble ignoring or batting away very legitimate concerns of abuse.
    No child has ever been taken away for misgendering a classmate. Don’t be silly.

    The Sky story is horrific. At least some justice has now arrived.
    Such stories are not confined to the UK.
    This was reported from Florida a couple of days ago.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article315443888.html
    ..The twins and their older brother Tal Alexander were convicted in March of multiple federal sex crimes, including sex trafficking. But a Miami Herald investigation found their pattern of drugging, raping, and videotaping their abuse of girls began decades earlier – when they were as young as 15 and still in high school.

    Six women told the Herald they were raped or assaulted by one or more of the brothers between 2002 and 2004, while the three brothers were attending Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School near Aventura. One spoke to police, and despite her accusations, police did not interview all the boys, and the school appears to have taken no disciplinary action.

    The women said the assaults were rampant, and occurred at teen hangouts devoid of parental supervision, at the homes of the Alexander brothers or their friends. Half of the women spoke to the FBI about what happened to them when they were younger.

    The women were students at Krop, a large Miami-Dade public high school, or nearby Miami Country Day School, a private school. One was in eighth grade when a group of boys, including Tal, “dragged” her into a bedroom, she said. She believes she was drugged.

    “It just seems like the adults completely f—--- abdicated their responsibility,” that woman told the Herald.

    In the 2003 report, which notes that Krop’s principal was informed after a school resource officer called law enforcement, police did not interview the brothers, and the State Attorney’s Office declined to press charges...
    Yes, there is a subset of men who are total shits. And if they think that there are no consequences for bad beheviour will act in ways that are almost incomprehensible.
    These are the sort of men who joined Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger. If they had ever possessed any form of humanity, it had left them long ago. I remember having this discussion with @Leon_VotedForStarmer where we agreed we had both met murderers, and they were not necessarily terrible people. A murder might be committed in a moment of madness (premeditated murder is different of course).

    But, sex criminals of this type? They are simply purely evil.
    What do we do about the judges who let teenage rapists walk out of court? These kids learn at a very young age that there’s little actual consequence for serious sexual offences.

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15836845/Teenage-gang-lured-schoolgirl-15-underpass-laughed-filmed-raping-handed-youth-rehabilitation-orders.html
    ‘The judge also praised the boys for their conduct during the trial, saying 'I think of you as very young and none of you have been in any big trouble before.

    'You have all done very well with the restrictions put in place throughout the trial.’
    It's almost as if the judge considers rape to be a minor pecadillo, rather than an extremely serious crime.

    Imagine how the victim must feel, to learn that the judge sympathises far more with the rapists than he does with her.
    Look at the BBC article from the other day painting those disgusting men selling their daughters into sex slavery and child marriage as the victims.

    People in positions of authority have never taken these crimes seriously and look at what it has resulted in time and again in this country. Scandal after scandal and nothing seems to get done about it. As I said earlier, child rape is the crime I'd consider bringing the death penalty back for. People who can do that to children are beyond redemption.
    The mitigating circumstances, according to the judge (admittedly as channelled by the Daily Mail, so massive health warning there) are:

    ADHD
    Anxiety
    Low Intelligence
    Traveller Community
    Under 16

    No, me neither.
    Rapes and sexual assaults are surging across Europe. England and Wales has the highest recorded rate of rape in the world

    We can all have a guess why this is happening in multiple western countries, simultaneously, what is not in question is that it is WOMEN who vote, in large numbers, for left wing governments that want open borders

    What can you do?
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    edited May 21
    According to the Times, it appears the Green candidate for Makerfield who has had to step down has been sharing the old anti-semitic stuff on social media including the Jewish ambulance attack was a false flag and in favour of remigration of the Jews to stop the great replacement.

    https://x.com/billcurtis0/status/2057560143085093305?s=20

    Given his views on immigration, are we sure he didn't get confused about which party he wanted to stand for?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,344
    edited May 21
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze2j7875pdo

    Starmer to hit the campaign trail for Burnham
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    Phil said:

    Nigelb said:

    Final episode of The Boys yesterday.
    The end of the best piece of potty mouthed, gratuitously violent satire to date.

    Karl Urban deserves awards.

    Series 5 was unfortunately shit. Should have stopped at 3.
    Not the best season, but it wasn't shit.
  • Pulpstar said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze2j7875pdo

    Starmer to hit the campaign trail for Burnham

    He really really does want Burnham to lose
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze2j7875pdo

    Starmer to hit the campaign trail for Burnham

    He really really really doesn't want Burnham back in the HoC does he.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,278
    nico67 said:

    Nigelb said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Taz said:

    kinabalu said:

    Roger said:

    Rachel apparently had a man heckle her for twenty five minutes yesterday and his extremely rude behaviour was congratulated by Nigel Farage. Her reply was exemplary. Can someone tell me what anyone sees in that repulsive disgusting vulgarian.? I can't. Worth watching on Ch4 News.

    That's the real personality of hard core Reform right there. Nasty bunch. Very nasty.
    Steve Bray waves and says Hi and then bellows at a random Tory MP.
    He's a pain in the pipe. But I don't recall him being lionised by any party leader.

    Ah but wasn't that before he went all weird?

    Steve, I mean, not Ed.
    They are literally holding placards screaming the Lib Dem GE Brexit policy - REVOKE
    Shock horror. That was the policy.
    It is still shocking, in retrospect, that one of the "major" political parties campaigned on a policy of completely ignoring and anulling the single biggest democratic mandate in British history. 17.4m Leave votes. The biggest vote for anything ever, and of course the winning vote

    What do the fucking Liberal DEMOCRATS think that would have done to DEMOCRACY? Whyever bother voting again? If posh people don't like your vote, they will simply and openly ignore it, and ignore you

    Electoral turnout would have plunged below 30% thereafter, and that would have been the end of British democracy

    Anyone who avowed for a second vote including Remain - and anyone who went for Revoke - should go away and die of shame and should certainly be excluded from further political roles
    You got your way, and everyone hates it.

    Give it a fucking rest for once in your life.
    Have you ever seen a winning side moan so much ? All we’ve heard for years is Brexit wasn’t delivered properly, the civil service are sabotaging it, blah blah blah …

    Brexit was delivered.

    We left the EU.

    That's it.

    That was what the vote was for. That's what it said on the ballot paper.

    End of.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 67,185

    Pulpstar said:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze2j7875pdo

    Starmer to hit the campaign trail for Burnham

    He really really does want Burnham to lose
    We'll only know that for sure when Roger starts hitting the doorsteps.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608
    Nigelb said:

    Phil said:

    Nigelb said:

    Final episode of The Boys yesterday.
    The end of the best piece of potty mouthed, gratuitously violent satire to date.

    Karl Urban deserves awards.

    Series 5 was unfortunately shit. Should have stopped at 3.
    Not the best season, but it wasn't shit.
    Agreed. And considering how common it is for finales to make terrible choices, they made some good calls with specific character endings.

    I watched S1 and 2 years ago, but have only watched 3-5 in the last 1.5 weeks, so that's judging it without any muddied memory of quality.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,253
    Nigelb said:

    Phil said:

    Nigelb said:

    Final episode of The Boys yesterday.
    The end of the best piece of potty mouthed, gratuitously violent satire to date.

    Karl Urban deserves awards.

    Series 5 was unfortunately shit. Should have stopped at 3.
    Not the best season, but it wasn't shit.
    Yes I was thinking that as well. It had some disadvantages (too much emphasis on the prequel actors, Sage was too stupid, Soldier Boy was bought out of stasis, did some uncharacteristic things, and then was put back) but it really wasn't bad and everybody got the ending they deserved. I enjoyed the bits I've seen on YouTube.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,386
    Foss said:

    Looks like SpaceX are going to try and launch the new version of Starship at 10.30ish. Should either be a wonder of modern engineering and/or another ruddy great bang. Mission profile here.

    10:30 GMT, I think, so 11:30 BST.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Phil said:

    Nigelb said:

    Final episode of The Boys yesterday.
    The end of the best piece of potty mouthed, gratuitously violent satire to date.

    Karl Urban deserves awards.

    Series 5 was unfortunately shit. Should have stopped at 3.
    Not the best season, but it wasn't shit.
    Agreed. And considering how common it is for finales to make terrible choices, they made some good calls with specific character endings.

    I watched S1 and 2 years ago, but have only watched 3-5 in the last 1.5 weeks, so that's judging it without any muddied memory of quality.
    I loved the whole thing.
    They embraced epic bad taste, ran with it, and made it work.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,439
    edited May 21

    Foss said:

    Looks like SpaceX are going to try and launch the new version of Starship at 10.30ish. Should either be a wonder of modern engineering and/or another ruddy great bang. Mission profile here.

    10:30 GMT, I think, so 11:30 BST.
    Broadcast starts about 10:45 UK time, I believe,. Window opens at 11:30 or so - a 90 minute window.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332

    Foss said:

    Looks like SpaceX are going to try and launch the new version of Starship at 10.30ish. Should either be a wonder of modern engineering and/or another ruddy great bang. Mission profile here.

    10:30 GMT, I think, so 11:30 BST.
    According to the countdown on the live streams, T-90 mins, so midnight.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 64,439

    According to the Times, it appears the Green candidate for Makerfield who has had to step down has been sharing the old anti-semitic stuff on social media including the Jewish ambulance attack was a false flag and in favour of remigration of the Jews to stop the great replacement.

    https://x.com/billcurtis0/status/2057560143085093305?s=20

    Given his views on immigration, are we sure he didn't get confused about which party he wanted to stand for?

    Horse shoe theory at work.

    "The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,829

    Just done some digging

    Burnham was another second voter. Happy to annul the Brexit vote, without ever enacting it

    Reform should absolutely hammer him on this. Democrat my fucking arse. Man of the people, lol

    He's, like, a lifelong careerist.

    We all already know this.

    It's whether or not people hate Starmer enough not to care.
    Might be worth a couple of thousand votes tho, who knows? It's a very Leave constituency

    BIG NIGE, if you are reading: Burnham wanted a Second Vote. He wanted to ignore 17.4m Leave voters
    Burnham has a Labour problem. Or really a 'progressive' problem. Women with willies, second votes, energy policy (oil from Russia not Aberdeen), immigration/asylum. He is 100% cookie cutter Labour on all those issues, and any (or all) could prove toxic. He of course has the option to decisively break from these positions, but that will give him problems in the subsequent leadership vote.

    I still think he can do it. Not so much due to personal affection for him (though that does exist) but through long-standing Labour supporters going back to their comfort zone and choosing someone who plays all the old hits and gets a good tune out of the piano.

    I don't know what will happen or really what I want to happen.
    I'm on the opposite side of the argument on all those issues you've listed. Maybe I should be the Labour candidate?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608
    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Phil said:

    Nigelb said:

    Final episode of The Boys yesterday.
    The end of the best piece of potty mouthed, gratuitously violent satire to date.

    Karl Urban deserves awards.

    Series 5 was unfortunately shit. Should have stopped at 3.
    Not the best season, but it wasn't shit.
    Agreed. And considering how common it is for finales to make terrible choices, they made some good calls with specific character endings.

    I watched S1 and 2 years ago, but have only watched 3-5 in the last 1.5 weeks, so that's judging it without any muddied memory of quality.
    I loved the whole thing.
    They embraced epic bad taste, ran with it, and made it work.
    Obviously there's unsubtle shots at American conservatives, but I find it a bit snowflakey to see people whinge about that kind of thing (even though I could not sit through yet another talk show host ranting about how much they hate Trump every nightand still get anything from it). It's certainly not woke!

    Apparently the comics are way more brutal
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
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    Chinese authorities have been blocking shipments of solar equipment to Tesla from a Chinese firm called Suzhou Maxwell.

    Elon Musk -- and other powerful executives who accompanied President Trump to China last week -- have been hoping to clear roadblocks put up by Beijing

    https://x.com/AnaSwanson/status/2057500328182857945

    The ASML of the solar industry, and not something the west could replicate for many years.

    Restrictions would also be a problem for SpaceX.
  • FeersumEnjineeyaFeersumEnjineeya Posts: 5,386

    Foss said:

    Looks like SpaceX are going to try and launch the new version of Starship at 10.30ish. Should either be a wonder of modern engineering and/or another ruddy great bang. Mission profile here.

    10:30 GMT, I think, so 11:30 BST.
    According to the countdown on the live streams, T-90 mins, so midnight.
    Yeah, it slipped half an hour.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
    Seems like if you sign up for basic paid level of Google Gemini for £20 they are now throwing in YouTube Premium (lite) now and some other goodies.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,579

    MaxPB said:

    Sean_F said:

    Taz said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    Sandpit said:

    Sean_F said:

    I know people do not support the death penalty, but these arseholes should surely never again be out of prison?

    "Girl begged for help at window as officials drove away from 'beastie house', paedophile ring report says"

    https://news.sky.com/story/girl-begged-for-help-at-window-as-officials-drove-away-from-beastie-house-paedophile-ring-report-says-13545820

    And don't get me started on those who failed to intervene.

    Those charged with protecting children preferred a quiet life, and looked the other way.

    Same old, same old.
    They do appear to be quite selective. Some cases they try to take away your children for misgendering one of their classmates, but in others seem to have little trouble ignoring or batting away very legitimate concerns of abuse.
    No child has ever been taken away for misgendering a classmate. Don’t be silly.

    The Sky story is horrific. At least some justice has now arrived.
    Such stories are not confined to the UK.
    This was reported from Florida a couple of days ago.

    https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article315443888.html
    ..The twins and their older brother Tal Alexander were convicted in March of multiple federal sex crimes, including sex trafficking. But a Miami Herald investigation found their pattern of drugging, raping, and videotaping their abuse of girls began decades earlier – when they were as young as 15 and still in high school.

    Six women told the Herald they were raped or assaulted by one or more of the brothers between 2002 and 2004, while the three brothers were attending Dr. Michael M. Krop Senior High School near Aventura. One spoke to police, and despite her accusations, police did not interview all the boys, and the school appears to have taken no disciplinary action.

    The women said the assaults were rampant, and occurred at teen hangouts devoid of parental supervision, at the homes of the Alexander brothers or their friends. Half of the women spoke to the FBI about what happened to them when they were younger.

    The women were students at Krop, a large Miami-Dade public high school, or nearby Miami Country Day School, a private school. One was in eighth grade when a group of boys, including Tal, “dragged” her into a bedroom, she said. She believes she was drugged.

    “It just seems like the adults completely f—--- abdicated their responsibility,” that woman told the Herald.

    In the 2003 report, which notes that Krop’s principal was informed after a school resource officer called law enforcement, police did not interview the brothers, and the State Attorney’s Office declined to press charges...
    Yes, there is a subset of men who are total shits. And if they think that there are no consequences for bad beheviour will act in ways that are almost incomprehensible.
    These are the sort of men who joined Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger. If they had ever possessed any form of humanity, it had left them long ago. I remember having this discussion with @Leon_VotedForStarmer where we agreed we had both met murderers, and they were not necessarily terrible people. A murder might be committed in a moment of madness (premeditated murder is different of course).

    But, sex criminals of this type? They are simply purely evil.
    What do we do about the judges who let teenage rapists walk out of court? These kids learn at a very young age that there’s little actual consequence for serious sexual offences.

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15836845/Teenage-gang-lured-schoolgirl-15-underpass-laughed-filmed-raping-handed-youth-rehabilitation-orders.html
    ‘The judge also praised the boys for their conduct during the trial, saying 'I think of you as very young and none of you have been in any big trouble before.

    'You have all done very well with the restrictions put in place throughout the trial.’
    It's almost as if the judge considers rape to be a minor pecadillo, rather than an extremely serious crime.

    Imagine how the victim must feel, to learn that the judge sympathises far more with the rapists than he does with her.
    Look at the BBC article from the other day painting those disgusting men selling their daughters into sex slavery and child marriage as the victims.

    People in positions of authority have never taken these crimes seriously and look at what it has resulted in time and again in this country. Scandal after scandal and nothing seems to get done about it. As I said earlier, child rape is the crime I'd consider bringing the death penalty back for. People who can do that to children are beyond redemption.
    The mitigating circumstances, according to the judge (admittedly as channelled by the Daily Mail, so massive health warning there) are:

    ADHD
    Anxiety
    Low Intelligence
    Traveller Community
    Under 16

    No, me neither.
    Rapes and sexual assaults are surging across Europe. England and Wales has the highest recorded rate of rape in the world

    We can all have a guess why this is happening in multiple western countries, simultaneously, what is not in question is that it is WOMEN who vote, in large numbers, for left wing governments that want open borders

    What can you do?
    Suicidal empathy, there was a study I read about a while ago where they hooked men and women up to brain scanners to monitor the regions most associated with emotion and empathy - they showed both groups a video of violent criminal act and among both groups a large majority saw the empathy parts of the brain fire rapidly as people empathised with the victim. They then showed a video of the same criminal who had just committed the violent act being run down by a police car, this time the group's had a different response - the men largely didn't see any kind of empathy and instead the parts of the brain that signify pleasure fired, among women the majority (though not as big as video 1) had a very similar reaction to the first video.

    In both videos women were identifying victims despite in the second video the "victim" having just committed a violent criminal act.

    It goes some way to explain why many women continue to vote for open border parties and against deportation of violent criminals despite those criminals committing those crimes largely against women.

    I'll see if I can dig it up on Tuesday when I'm back at the laptop.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 847

    Dopermean said:

    Tuchel is about to exceed expectations, if eredivisie goals are "dog" goals what are Saudi pro league goals? Mayfly?

    Toney was a contender a few years ago, but apart from potentially being better acclimatised, the Saudi pro league isn't preparation for the World Cup.

    England are really strong in some positions (hence Palmer not going, given Rogers and Bellingham will be) but weak in others. Apart from Kane (and this is why his match fitness is absolutely critical) the strikers are rather second-tier.
    England have failed to produce top quality strikers for quite a few years now. Its getting a bit like England fast bowlers, Anderson and Broad were great even as they aged, in fact felt like got better with age, a bit like Kane. But the cupboard is very bare outside of that.

    What young England strikers are playing in the EPL at the moment that look like they could be a superstar? I can't think of one.
    Swap you Che Adams for Solanke?
  • boulayboulay Posts: 9,214
    Cyclefree said:

    If there ever was a TV drama to watch and to wake up people's consciences - far more than Adolescence - it is "Believe Me" about John Worboys, the taxi driver rapist and the fight so many women had to have, ably assisted by the lawyer, Harriet Wistrich, an absolute heroine, to bring him to justice.

    It is not easy viewing, mind. But it brings home the reality of what such crimes do to women and how hard they have to fight afterwards for effective justice. On ITV now.

    I’ve heard it’s incredibly good and rarely in crime drama puts the viewer in the position of the women victims which is why it won’t have the same effect sadly. People rightly get angry about the post office and water but not remotely angry enough about what could happen to their mothers, sisters or daughters. I hope so much I am wrong but it hasn’t received the same traction as the programmes about Post office and Water scandals.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 92,332
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    DoctorG said:

    Dopermean said:

    Tuchel is about to exceed expectations, if eredivisie goals are "dog" goals what are Saudi pro league goals? Mayfly?

    Toney was a contender a few years ago, but apart from potentially being better acclimatised, the Saudi pro league isn't preparation for the World Cup.

    England are really strong in some positions (hence Palmer not going, given Rogers and Bellingham will be) but weak in others. Apart from Kane (and this is why his match fitness is absolutely critical) the strikers are rather second-tier.
    England have failed to produce top quality strikers for quite a few years now. Its getting a bit like England fast bowlers, Anderson and Broad were great even as they aged, in fact felt like got better with age, a bit like Kane. But the cupboard is very bare outside of that.

    What young England strikers are playing in the EPL at the moment that look like they could be a superstar? I can't think of one.
    Swap you Che Adams for Solanke?
    Isn't that a bit like saying I'll swap you Rishi Sunak for Keir Starmer?
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