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  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,837

    Is it me or does "Where we need vision, we have vacuum. Where we need direction, we have drift" sound a bit... "Where there is discord, may we bring harmony"?

    Not sure sounding like Mrs T will endear you to the faithful, Wes.

    As long as he doesn't tell people to rejoice when Starmer resigns...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,955
    Nick Watt - Starmer ally has told me: "Wes has failed the most basic rule of politics: he can’t count. He never had the numbers. We counted and counted and counted and recounted. The highest number we got for Wes was 44.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,946

    Good visualisation of the Labour and Tory squeeze

    https://x.com/OwenWntr/status/2054869340327993602

    image

    I'm not entirely clear how they've done those graphs. Not every ward in each colour zone voted for that party. They've done some sort of averaging?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,763
    Taz said:

    viewcode said:

    Taz said:

    Taz said:

    I know this is the lesser political story but still

    BREAKING: Reform UK has LOST minority control of Worcestershire County Council - after being overthrown by a shock rainbow coalition.

    The Conservatives have teamed up with the Greens, Lib Dems and independents to form a power-sharing alliance in the last few minutes. 2/3”


    What are they thinking? Refusing to ally with Reform but quite happy to ally with quasi-Marxist, quasi-Islamist Greens?

    This kind of shit will doom them with right wing voters. They cannot be trusted. They are still Cameroon wets, whatever Kemi claims

    https://x.com/tomedwardsbbchw/status/2054863889808937351?s=46

    They did not back Reform in the Senedd either and it is the right approach
    Which is fine. They are not obliged to ally with reform. But allying with the frigging GREENS in preference to Reform is an insult to every right wing voter in Worcestershire. Why not ally with Corbyn? Whats she difference?

    I predict it will not go well for them. There or elsewhere. It will just make drifting right wing voters make the full leap to Reform

    The Greens are detestable and anti-British and completely penetrated by pro Palestinian nutters and crypto (not even that crypto) Islamists
    I'd guess the Green councillor corps varies a lot by location. In any case Reform are more anti British than the Greens are.
    I’d agree about the Green councillors. They’re probably bunny hugging NIMBYs there

    But reform anti British/more anti Brit than the Greens. You’re having a laugh 🤣🤣🤣🤣
    For sure, they parrot MAGA, they're halfway up Trump's rectum, they're pro Putin (and are doing jail time to prove it), and they seem to hate Britain as it actually exists rather than their 1950s white weewee version. Reform are the most anti British party out there.
    WTF does that gibberish even mean 🤣🤣🤣🤣
    "white wee-wee" is explained in this clip from The Gay Daleks

    https://youtu.be/z3pHvH8sPT4?si=CSyOlzHveT16FzqI&t=67
    Oh dear me

    LOL 🤣

    Did that make the DVD release ?
    I have no idea, sorry.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,946
    DavidL said:

    kinabalu said:

    Assessing it this way:

    How can it NOT end up with Andy Burnham?

    1. The contest is triggered too soon for him
    2. Nobody agrees to vacate him a seat
    3. He's blocked from standing in it
    4. He loses the by-election
    5. He wins the seat then loses the leadership contest

    1. Still possible but looking unlikely
    2. Surely unlikely
    3. Politically just about impossible now
    4. Unlikely I'd have thought
    5. Unlikely unless sentiment changes radically

    Conclusion: a very solid favourite.

    Many a slip
    Between cup and lip.
    It's...

    Many a slip
    Twixt cup and lip


    It's about how you can drop bits of Twix when eating one.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,773

    Nick Watt - Starmer ally has told me: "Wes has failed the most basic rule of politics: he can’t count. He never had the numbers. We counted and counted and counted and recounted. The highest number we got for Wes was 44.

    That's not really the point. Hats off to Streeting. It may simply be a finger from the dike, but the flood is coming.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,030
    edited May 14

    Nick Watt - Starmer ally has told me: "Wes has failed the most basic rule of politics: he can’t count. He never had the numbers. We counted and counted and counted and recounted. The highest number we got for Wes was 44.

    Do they really have nothing better to do than counting and counting and counting MPs who may support Wes
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,186
    Are we done today?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,131

    Good visualisation of the Labour and Tory squeeze

    https://x.com/OwenWntr/status/2054869340327993602

    image

    I'm not entirely clear how they've done those graphs. Not every ward in each colour zone voted for that party. They've done some sort of averaging?
    For every pair of (x,y), where x is age % and y is managerial/professional %, they found the closest 100 wards and took the average result.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,687
    edited May 14
    Brixian59 said:

    Angela in a Secretary of State for Health and with permission to solve long running Junior Doctor dispute taking money from International Development would be my move if I was SKS!

    I don't think he has the balls, the cheek or the political instinct to try it though! Nor the power!

    Given how well she didn’t do at housing, I’m not sure that giving her the NHS is going to help the NHS.

    Sir Keir had to give her something in 2024 because of her elected position as deputy leader of the party, that’s no longer the case.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,143
    Jonathan said:

    Are we done today?

    Well Starmer needs to either resign or appoint a health Sec, and write a letter back to Wes. I suppose that could happen tommorow though.

    He might take the opportunity for a big reshuffle.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,703

    Nick Watt - Starmer ally has told me: "Wes has failed the most basic rule of politics: he can’t count. He never had the numbers. We counted and counted and counted and recounted. The highest number we got for Wes was 44.

    Nick Watt - Starmer ally has told me: "Wes has failed the most basic rule of politics: he can’t count. He never had the numbers. We counted and counted and counted and recounted. The highest number we got for Wes was 44.

    Cant be right what about Battery Connect Horse's source!!

    Seriously i hope none of the serious betters on here are in the poorhouse by backing the Streeting with no names
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,773
    Brixian59 said:

    Angela in a Secretary of State for Health and with permission to solve long running Junior Doctor dispute taking money from International Development would be my move if I was SKS!

    I don't think he has the balls, the cheek or the political instinct to try it though! Nor the power!

    Besides which she could decline.

    If I was Rayner, I wouldn't be hanging off Burnham's coattails. I'd act now and bury Starmer, Burnham, Milliband and Streeting.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,229
    Jonathan said:


    Long, long ago.

    I'd forgotten how awful his haircut was in the early days.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,379
    edited May 14
    Nigelb said:

    Farage is a liar. First £5m was for security now it’s a reward for campaigning for Brexit?

    Please, he's a serial fabulist.
    (Yes, that's the same thing.)

    Nigel Farage says the £5m gift he received from Christopher Harborne was a "reward for campaigning for Brexit for 27 years"
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2054920974483497013
    Is anybody considering domestic politics without Farage?

    He's squirming badly on this issue. If he should fall...
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,811
    Pulpstar said:

    Kemi has suspended the Worcs Tory leader

    Lol.

    Must've been shocked when she learnt of the outrage of @Leon_VotedForStarmer
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,726
    carnforth said:

    Jonathan said:


    Long, long ago.

    I'd forgotten how awful his haircut was in the early days.
    The whole thing is just a little bit Brass Eye, isn't it?
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,143
    Should be a 3-0 win on the first leg to Middlesbrough I think. You can't write a rule like that into the books then not have a sporting consequence.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,297
    dixiedean said:

    I know this is the lesser political story but still

    BREAKING: Reform UK has LOST minority control of Worcestershire County Council - after being overthrown by a shock rainbow coalition.

    The Conservatives have teamed up with the Greens, Lib Dems and independents to form a power-sharing alliance in the last few minutes. 2/3”


    What are they thinking? Refusing to ally with Reform but quite happy to ally with quasi-Marxist, quasi-Islamist Greens?

    This kind of shit will doom them with right wing voters. They cannot be trusted. They are still Cameroon wets, whatever Kemi claims

    https://x.com/tomedwardsbbchw/status/2054863889808937351?s=46

    The Tory party is about power and respectability. On the former the numbers suggest the Tories will be the biggest group on the council and perhaps they intend to do a Clegg on the Lib Dems and Greens? With regard to respectability, how many of the foremost London clubs would countenance Nigel Farage as a member?
    Seems implausible.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgpyxw7l5no

    "Green councillor Matt Jenkins has been made the new council leader"

    So. The Tories have conspired to put a Marxist Islamist in charge.
    The Worcester Greens were strong pre-Polanski - in 2024, they became the second largest party on the City Council. Badenoch might want to make a national point, but I don't think there's any likelihood of sharia law being imposed in Worcester Cathedral close.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,791

    Nigelb said:

    Farage is a liar. First £5m was for security now it’s a reward for campaigning for Brexit?

    Please, he's a serial fabulist.
    (Yes, that's the same thing.)

    Nigel Farage says the £5m gift he received from Christopher Harborne was a "reward for campaigning for Brexit for 27 years"
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2054920974483497013
    Is anybody considering domestic politics without Farage?

    Hee's squirming badly on this issue. If he should fall...
    That figure has become inextricably linked to him. He's no longer Nigel Farage, but Five Mil Farage.
  • murali_smurali_s Posts: 3,142

    Nigelb said:

    Farage is a liar. First £5m was for security now it’s a reward for campaigning for Brexit?

    Please, he's a serial fabulist.
    (Yes, that's the same thing.)

    Nigel Farage says the £5m gift he received from Christopher Harborne was a "reward for campaigning for Brexit for 27 years"
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2054920974483497013
    Is anybody considering domestic politics without Farage?

    Hee's squirming badly on this issue. If he should fall...
    That figure has become inextricably linked to him. He's no longer Nigel Farage, but Five Mil Farage.
    But hasn’t he got an army of Blackshirts fully behind him in case he does fall?
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,791
    Pulpstar said:

    Should be a 3-0 win on the first leg to Middlesbrough I think. You can't write a rule like that into the books then not have a sporting consequence.
    As a Boro supporter, I approve this message. Though I think Hull will probably win, regardless of which team they play. The players and managers of both teams will have been too distracted.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,811

    dixiedean said:

    I know this is the lesser political story but still

    BREAKING: Reform UK has LOST minority control of Worcestershire County Council - after being overthrown by a shock rainbow coalition.

    The Conservatives have teamed up with the Greens, Lib Dems and independents to form a power-sharing alliance in the last few minutes. 2/3”


    What are they thinking? Refusing to ally with Reform but quite happy to ally with quasi-Marxist, quasi-Islamist Greens?

    This kind of shit will doom them with right wing voters. They cannot be trusted. They are still Cameroon wets, whatever Kemi claims

    https://x.com/tomedwardsbbchw/status/2054863889808937351?s=46

    The Tory party is about power and respectability. On the former the numbers suggest the Tories will be the biggest group on the council and perhaps they intend to do a Clegg on the Lib Dems and Greens? With regard to respectability, how many of the foremost London clubs would countenance Nigel Farage as a member?
    Seems implausible.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgpyxw7l5no

    "Green councillor Matt Jenkins has been made the new council leader"

    So. The Tories have conspired to put a Marxist Islamist in charge.
    The Worcester Greens were strong pre-Polanski - in 2024, they became the second largest party on the City Council. Badenoch might want to make a national point, but I don't think there's any likelihood of sharia law being imposed in Worcester Cathedral close.
    Well, yes. But I think Polanski is just too toxic from her POV. Her strategy is certainly not to give Farage any sticks. Probably sensible in the long run.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,946

    Nigelb said:

    Farage is a liar. First £5m was for security now it’s a reward for campaigning for Brexit?

    Please, he's a serial fabulist.
    (Yes, that's the same thing.)

    Nigel Farage says the £5m gift he received from Christopher Harborne was a "reward for campaigning for Brexit for 27 years"
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2054920974483497013
    Is anybody considering domestic politics without Farage?

    Hee's squirming badly on this issue. If he should fall...
    That figure has become inextricably linked to him. He's no longer Nigel Farage, but Five Mil Farage.
    We haven't even got to the juicy stuff yet. The Parliamentary Commissioner will issue a report: that might turn up new revelations and it's probably going to come to a pretty negative conclusion. Will that then lead to a suspension? Will that then lead to a recall petition?

    The Electoral Commission are considering whether to investigate. That's about whether Farage has broken the law. Does HMRC get interested?
  • TimGeoTimGeo Posts: 35
    Do you think that £5million will now be a Farage in common parlance , Just as £2000 in notes became an Archer in the 1986 scandal for Lord Archer
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,946

    dixiedean said:

    I know this is the lesser political story but still

    BREAKING: Reform UK has LOST minority control of Worcestershire County Council - after being overthrown by a shock rainbow coalition.

    The Conservatives have teamed up with the Greens, Lib Dems and independents to form a power-sharing alliance in the last few minutes. 2/3”


    What are they thinking? Refusing to ally with Reform but quite happy to ally with quasi-Marxist, quasi-Islamist Greens?

    This kind of shit will doom them with right wing voters. They cannot be trusted. They are still Cameroon wets, whatever Kemi claims

    https://x.com/tomedwardsbbchw/status/2054863889808937351?s=46

    The Tory party is about power and respectability. On the former the numbers suggest the Tories will be the biggest group on the council and perhaps they intend to do a Clegg on the Lib Dems and Greens? With regard to respectability, how many of the foremost London clubs would countenance Nigel Farage as a member?
    Seems implausible.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgpyxw7l5no

    "Green councillor Matt Jenkins has been made the new council leader"

    So. The Tories have conspired to put a Marxist Islamist in charge.
    The Worcester Greens were strong pre-Polanski - in 2024, they became the second largest party on the City Council. Badenoch might want to make a national point, but I don't think there's any likelihood of sharia law being imposed in Worcester Cathedral close.
    Well, yes. But I think Polanski is just too toxic from her POV. Her strategy is certainly not to give Farage any sticks. Probably sensible in the long run.
    We live in a multiparty political world now. If you refuse to go into coalition with anyone, you're never going to get a taste of power, and what's the point of voting for you?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,811

    dixiedean said:

    I know this is the lesser political story but still

    BREAKING: Reform UK has LOST minority control of Worcestershire County Council - after being overthrown by a shock rainbow coalition.

    The Conservatives have teamed up with the Greens, Lib Dems and independents to form a power-sharing alliance in the last few minutes. 2/3”


    What are they thinking? Refusing to ally with Reform but quite happy to ally with quasi-Marxist, quasi-Islamist Greens?

    This kind of shit will doom them with right wing voters. They cannot be trusted. They are still Cameroon wets, whatever Kemi claims

    https://x.com/tomedwardsbbchw/status/2054863889808937351?s=46

    The Tory party is about power and respectability. On the former the numbers suggest the Tories will be the biggest group on the council and perhaps they intend to do a Clegg on the Lib Dems and Greens? With regard to respectability, how many of the foremost London clubs would countenance Nigel Farage as a member?
    Seems implausible.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgpyxw7l5no

    "Green councillor Matt Jenkins has been made the new council leader"

    So. The Tories have conspired to put a Marxist Islamist in charge.
    The Worcester Greens were strong pre-Polanski - in 2024, they became the second largest party on the City Council. Badenoch might want to make a national point, but I don't think there's any likelihood of sharia law being imposed in Worcester Cathedral close.
    Well, yes. But I think Polanski is just too toxic from her POV. Her strategy is certainly not to give Farage any sticks. Probably sensible in the long run.
    We live in a multiparty political world now. If you refuse to go into coalition with anyone, you're never going to get a taste of power, and what's the point of voting for you?
    Yes, but we're talking about Polanski and the Greens. LibDems, even Labour, would be different.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 23,703
    If SKS doesnt stand Streeting will easily get enough nominations to stand but will lose when it goes to the vote
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489
    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Assessing it this way:

    How can it NOT end up with Andy Burnham?

    1. The contest is triggered too soon for him
    2. Nobody agrees to vacate him a seat
    3. He's blocked from standing in it
    4. He loses the by-election
    5. He wins the seat then loses the leadership contest

    1. Still possible but looking unlikely
    2. Surely unlikely
    3. Politically just about impossible now
    4. Unlikely I'd have thought
    5. Unlikely unless sentiment changes radically

    Conclusion: a very solid favourite.

    Streeting getting frit is a massive boost. I think Andy may have it.

    4 is tricky but if theres enthusiasm he will replace the PM he wins i think.
    Yes: I think many people are missing the desire of the electorate to give Keir a kicking. So long as Burnham frames it as, vote for me, get rid of Starmer, then I think he is quite likely to get elected.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,560

    dixiedean said:

    I know this is the lesser political story but still

    BREAKING: Reform UK has LOST minority control of Worcestershire County Council - after being overthrown by a shock rainbow coalition.

    The Conservatives have teamed up with the Greens, Lib Dems and independents to form a power-sharing alliance in the last few minutes. 2/3”


    What are they thinking? Refusing to ally with Reform but quite happy to ally with quasi-Marxist, quasi-Islamist Greens?

    This kind of shit will doom them with right wing voters. They cannot be trusted. They are still Cameroon wets, whatever Kemi claims

    https://x.com/tomedwardsbbchw/status/2054863889808937351?s=46

    The Tory party is about power and respectability. On the former the numbers suggest the Tories will be the biggest group on the council and perhaps they intend to do a Clegg on the Lib Dems and Greens? With regard to respectability, how many of the foremost London clubs would countenance Nigel Farage as a member?
    Seems implausible.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgpyxw7l5no

    "Green councillor Matt Jenkins has been made the new council leader"

    So. The Tories have conspired to put a Marxist Islamist in charge.
    The Worcester Greens were strong pre-Polanski - in 2024, they became the second largest party on the City Council. Badenoch might want to make a national point, but I don't think there's any likelihood of sharia law being imposed in Worcester Cathedral close.
    Well, yes. But I think Polanski is just too toxic from her POV. Her strategy is certainly not to give Farage any sticks. Probably sensible in the long run.
    We live in a multiparty political world now. If you refuse to go into coalition with anyone, you're never going to get a taste of power, and what's the point of voting for you?
    What's more, there are Councils where the mathematics simply don't work if you refuse to work with anyone at all.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,773

    Nigelb said:

    Farage is a liar. First £5m was for security now it’s a reward for campaigning for Brexit?

    Please, he's a serial fabulist.
    (Yes, that's the same thing.)

    Nigel Farage says the £5m gift he received from Christopher Harborne was a "reward for campaigning for Brexit for 27 years"
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2054920974483497013
    Is anybody considering domestic politics without Farage?

    He's squirming badly on this issue. If he should fall...
    He might get knocked down, but like Chumbawumba...

    Nonetheless the £5m does however smell awful, particularly as he has spoken positively about Harborne's company.

    But Nigel is Nigel. He's a gun for hire, which is why I doubt in his heart of hearts he particularly wants to be the Sherriff.

    Mind you the stench isn't entirely hanging on Farage alone. From Wikipaedia:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician. The government awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, an £80 million Ministry of Defence contract in January 2023. Harborne acted as an advisor to Boris Johnson on his trip to Kyiv in September 2023 to meet Volodymyr Zelenskyy".
  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,996
    edited May 14
    Back out to 1.4 for 2026 exit.

    If Streeting doesn't have the numbers and Rayner won't challenge Starmer then on the face of it nothing happens and everything just carries on as it is for now.

    And still no MP has announced they are resigning their seat. Though if there isn't going to be an imminent contest then I guess it could be argued there is no need for this to happen yet.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,134
    Wembley booked if they delay. Obvious thing is to boot Southampton out and then play it at St Mary's :lol:

    (be a bit of a trek for Hull and Boro supporters, that, though)
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,134
    MikeL said:

    Back out to 1.4 for 2026 exit.

    If Streeting doesn't have the numbers and Rayner won't challenge Starmer then on the face of it nothing happens and everything just carries on as it is for now.

    And still no MP has announced they are resigning their seat. Though if there isn't going to be an imminent contest then I guess it could be argued there is no need for this to happen yet.

    Abosolute mess. I've been missing the Scottish Play puns with all the Streetingisms, but if it were done when ’tis done, then ’twere well
    it were done quickly. Burnham would, if he had a seat :wink:
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,946

    dixiedean said:

    I know this is the lesser political story but still

    BREAKING: Reform UK has LOST minority control of Worcestershire County Council - after being overthrown by a shock rainbow coalition.

    The Conservatives have teamed up with the Greens, Lib Dems and independents to form a power-sharing alliance in the last few minutes. 2/3”


    What are they thinking? Refusing to ally with Reform but quite happy to ally with quasi-Marxist, quasi-Islamist Greens?

    This kind of shit will doom them with right wing voters. They cannot be trusted. They are still Cameroon wets, whatever Kemi claims

    https://x.com/tomedwardsbbchw/status/2054863889808937351?s=46

    The Tory party is about power and respectability. On the former the numbers suggest the Tories will be the biggest group on the council and perhaps they intend to do a Clegg on the Lib Dems and Greens? With regard to respectability, how many of the foremost London clubs would countenance Nigel Farage as a member?
    Seems implausible.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgpyxw7l5no

    "Green councillor Matt Jenkins has been made the new council leader"

    So. The Tories have conspired to put a Marxist Islamist in charge.
    The Worcester Greens were strong pre-Polanski - in 2024, they became the second largest party on the City Council. Badenoch might want to make a national point, but I don't think there's any likelihood of sharia law being imposed in Worcester Cathedral close.
    Well, yes. But I think Polanski is just too toxic from her POV. Her strategy is certainly not to give Farage any sticks. Probably sensible in the long run.
    We live in a multiparty political world now. If you refuse to go into coalition with anyone, you're never going to get a taste of power, and what's the point of voting for you?
    Yes, but we're talking about Polanski and the Greens. LibDems, even Labour, would be different.
    But if you're not working with the Greens, and they're not keen on doing so with Reform either, you're beginning to limit your options.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,955
    This attempted coup aint no Game of Thrones.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,791
    Selebian said:

    Wembley booked if they delay. Obvious thing is to boot Southampton out and then play it at St Mary's :lol:

    (be a bit of a trek for Hull and Boro supporters, that, though)
    I'm sure the locals would give Boro a warm welcome ...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,946

    Nigelb said:

    Farage is a liar. First £5m was for security now it’s a reward for campaigning for Brexit?

    Please, he's a serial fabulist.
    (Yes, that's the same thing.)

    Nigel Farage says the £5m gift he received from Christopher Harborne was a "reward for campaigning for Brexit for 27 years"
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2054920974483497013
    Is anybody considering domestic politics without Farage?

    He's squirming badly on this issue. If he should fall...
    He might get knocked down, but like Chumbawumba...

    Nonetheless the £5m does however smell awful, particularly as he has spoken positively about Harborne's company.

    But Nigel is Nigel. He's a gun for hire, which is why I doubt in his heart of hearts he particularly wants to be the Sherriff.

    Mind you the stench isn't entirely hanging on Farage alone. From Wikipaedia:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician. The government awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, an £80 million Ministry of Defence contract in January 2023. Harborne acted as an advisor to Boris Johnson on his trip to Kyiv in September 2023 to meet Volodymyr Zelenskyy".
    It's also telling how badly Farage is handling the situation. Every time he speaks, he makes his case worse.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,773

    This attempted coup aint no Game of Thrones.

    More like Carry on at Your Convenience.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,134
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Assessing it this way:

    How can it NOT end up with Andy Burnham?

    1. The contest is triggered too soon for him
    2. Nobody agrees to vacate him a seat
    3. He's blocked from standing in it
    4. He loses the by-election
    5. He wins the seat then loses the leadership contest

    1. Still possible but looking unlikely
    2. Surely unlikely
    3. Politically just about impossible now
    4. Unlikely I'd have thought
    5. Unlikely unless sentiment changes radically

    Conclusion: a very solid favourite.

    Streeting getting frit is a massive boost. I think Andy may have it.

    4 is tricky but if theres enthusiasm he will replace the PM he wins i think.
    Yes: I think many people are missing the desire of the electorate to give Keir a kicking. So long as Burnham frames it as, vote for me, get rid of Starmer, then I think he is quite likely to get elected.
    Just needs not to mention that he will be the replacement :lol:

    If Burnham does end up PM then it's a remarkable thing. Twice overlooked in favour of Miliband and Corbyn, no track record of anything much in national politics (Mid Staffs, cough, cough). Mind you, much the same could be said about Johnson.
  • eekeek Posts: 33,914

    Selebian said:

    Wembley booked if they delay. Obvious thing is to boot Southampton out and then play it at St Mary's :lol:

    (be a bit of a trek for Hull and Boro supporters, that, though)
    I'm sure the locals would give Boro a warm welcome ...
    Hey Southampton shouldn’t have had an intern at Rockcliffe Hall. And I can’t imagine he drove for 5 hours / paid £200 in train fares without someone senior telling him to do so
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,134

    Selebian said:

    Wembley booked if they delay. Obvious thing is to boot Southampton out and then play it at St Mary's :lol:

    (be a bit of a trek for Hull and Boro supporters, that, though)
    I'm sure the locals would give Boro a warm welcome ...
    Sympathy for the long journey, from recent experience...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 91,955

    This attempted coup aint no Game of Thrones.

    More like Carry on at Your Convenience.
    Like both, lots of tits on view.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,773

    Nigelb said:

    Farage is a liar. First £5m was for security now it’s a reward for campaigning for Brexit?

    Please, he's a serial fabulist.
    (Yes, that's the same thing.)

    Nigel Farage says the £5m gift he received from Christopher Harborne was a "reward for campaigning for Brexit for 27 years"
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2054920974483497013
    Is anybody considering domestic politics without Farage?

    He's squirming badly on this issue. If he should fall...
    He might get knocked down, but like Chumbawumba...

    Nonetheless the £5m does however smell awful, particularly as he has spoken positively about Harborne's company.

    But Nigel is Nigel. He's a gun for hire, which is why I doubt in his heart of hearts he particularly wants to be the Sherriff.

    Mind you the stench isn't entirely hanging on Farage alone. From Wikipaedia:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician. The government awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, an £80 million Ministry of Defence contract in January 2023. Harborne acted as an advisor to Boris Johnson on his trip to Kyiv in September 2023 to meet Volodymyr Zelenskyy".
    It's also telling how badly Farage is handling the situation. Every time he speaks, he makes his case worse.
    He has gone AWOL from an event in Sunderland today on account of potentially sub optimal media questioning.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,687
    TimGeo said:

    Do you think that £5million will now be a Farage in common parlance , Just as £2000 in notes became an Archer in the 1986 scandal for Lord Archer

    Five Bernies.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,166
    Selebian said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    kinabalu said:

    Assessing it this way:

    How can it NOT end up with Andy Burnham?

    1. The contest is triggered too soon for him
    2. Nobody agrees to vacate him a seat
    3. He's blocked from standing in it
    4. He loses the by-election
    5. He wins the seat then loses the leadership contest

    1. Still possible but looking unlikely
    2. Surely unlikely
    3. Politically just about impossible now
    4. Unlikely I'd have thought
    5. Unlikely unless sentiment changes radically

    Conclusion: a very solid favourite.

    Streeting getting frit is a massive boost. I think Andy may have it.

    4 is tricky but if theres enthusiasm he will replace the PM he wins i think.
    Yes: I think many people are missing the desire of the electorate to give Keir a kicking. So long as Burnham frames it as, vote for me, get rid of Starmer, then I think he is quite likely to get elected.
    Just needs not to mention that he will be the replacement :lol:

    If Burnham does end up PM then it's a remarkable thing. Twice overlooked in favour of Miliband and Corbyn, no track record of anything much in national politics (Mid Staffs, cough, cough). Mind you, much the same could be said about Johnson.
    Should he end up as PM, after the Boris precedent, both the Manchester and London mayoralties are going to start drawing the A-List as candidates. As might the other emerging big ones.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511
    @adambienkov.bsky.social‬

    Robert Jenrick's wife was warned that his campaign had accepted an unlawful donation of almost £40,000 from a convicted American fraudster, according to the Times.

    Police are investigating allegations that Jenrick's campaign illegally funneled the money to his campaign via a UK-based company

    https://bsky.app/profile/adambienkov.bsky.social/post/3mlt3k7nu7k2g
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,791
    eek said:

    Selebian said:

    Wembley booked if they delay. Obvious thing is to boot Southampton out and then play it at St Mary's :lol:

    (be a bit of a trek for Hull and Boro supporters, that, though)
    I'm sure the locals would give Boro a warm welcome ...
    Hey Southampton shouldn’t have had an intern at Rockcliffe Hall. And I can’t imagine he drove for 5 hours / paid £200 in train fares without someone senior telling him to do so
    Eckert looks as guilty as hell, but still I don't really see what difference it made to the game/ result.

    The first leg was the story of Boro's season. For 45 minutes they absolutely battered Southampton but didn't score. And had they over the course of the season been consistently able to turn their dominance of games into goals, they'd have been automatically promoted. Instead it was 1-0 home defeats to Charlton, Portsmouth etc that cost them.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,305
    edited May 14
    Well Worcestershire is bad news. Won't be any Tory lining up with our bloc of friendly neighbourhood old school Greens next year if the numbers stack up in Kirklees in 12 months time (and some of the left vote splits went badly wrong and likely will be corrected).

    So there will be little point whatsoever of any of the village centre-left tactically voting Tory in our Reform-Tory contests. Stuff 'em.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,837
    edited May 14
    https://x.com/yougov/status/2054929311761621155

    31% of Britons now have a favourable opinion of Kemi Badenoch (12-13 May 2026), the highest figure recorded by our tracker to date

    Favourable: 31% (+2 from 20-21 Apr)
    Unfavourable: 48% (-2)
    Net: -17 (+4)

    50% of Britons now have an unfavourable opinion of Zack Polanski (12-13 May 2026), up 16 points since last month

    Favourable: 23% (-3 from 20-21 Apr)
    Unfavourable: 50% (+16)
    Net: -27 (-19)
  • ChrisChris Posts: 12,211

    Nick Watt - Starmer ally has told me: "Wes has failed the most basic rule of politics: he can’t count. He never had the numbers. We counted and counted and counted and recounted. The highest number we got for Wes was 44.

    Because if you were going to sign Streeting's nomination papers and a Starmer acolyte asked you, of course you would confirm it.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,166

    Nigelb said:

    Farage is a liar. First £5m was for security now it’s a reward for campaigning for Brexit?

    Please, he's a serial fabulist.
    (Yes, that's the same thing.)

    Nigel Farage says the £5m gift he received from Christopher Harborne was a "reward for campaigning for Brexit for 27 years"
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2054920974483497013
    Is anybody considering domestic politics without Farage?

    He's squirming badly on this issue. If he should fall...
    He might get knocked down, but like Chumbawumba...

    Nonetheless the £5m does however smell awful, particularly as he has spoken positively about Harborne's company.

    But Nigel is Nigel. He's a gun for hire, which is why I doubt in his heart of hearts he particularly wants to be the Sherriff.

    Mind you the stench isn't entirely hanging on Farage alone. From Wikipaedia:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician. The government awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, an £80 million Ministry of Defence contract in January 2023. Harborne acted as an advisor to Boris Johnson on his trip to Kyiv in September 2023 to meet Volodymyr Zelenskyy".
    It's also telling how badly Farage is handling the situation. Every time he speaks, he makes his case worse.
    He has gone AWOL from an event in Sunderland today on account of potentially sub optimal media questioning.
    Has Badenoch found Starmer’s old lamp?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,190
    The only place Streeting is going is to the LDs or more likely Tories.

    What odds could you get on that.

    He's very very pally with Gentleman James Cleverly.

    Any betting on Streeting replacement

    Rayner possibly
    Haigh not smart enough

    My money on Johnny or Emma Reynolds
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,134

    Pulpstar said:

    Kemi has suspended the Worcs Tory leader

    Lol.

    Must've been shocked when she learnt of the outrage of @Leon_VotedForStarmer
    Given she said no deals with Reform would she also have suspended him if he'd gone the other way?
  • eekeek Posts: 33,914

    eek said:

    Selebian said:

    Wembley booked if they delay. Obvious thing is to boot Southampton out and then play it at St Mary's :lol:

    (be a bit of a trek for Hull and Boro supporters, that, though)
    I'm sure the locals would give Boro a warm welcome ...
    Hey Southampton shouldn’t have had an intern at Rockcliffe Hall. And I can’t imagine he drove for 5 hours / paid £200 in train fares without someone senior telling him to do so
    Eckert looks as guilty as hell, but still I don't really see what difference it made to the game/ result.

    The first leg was the story of Boro's season. For 45 minutes they absolutely battered Southampton but didn't score. And had they over the course of the season been consistently able to turn their dominance of games into goals, they'd have been automatically promoted. Instead it was 1-0 home defeats to Charlton, Portsmouth etc that cost them.
    Hey Boro lost - and that would have been the end of it except Southampton have been caught bang to rights spying. Which should mean as a minimum a 3-0 win to Boro for the first leg (match forfeited) which puts Boro in the final.

    And that’s one of the easier judgements
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 2,130
    So, it's 5pm and Streeting has resigned but hasn't (been able) to trigger a leadership contest. Rayner is quiet and Burnham has no vacant seat to stand in. And the only two possibles, Miliband and Carns seem loyal enough to Starmer they'd only step in if Starmer stood down.

    So today was simply a cabinet level resignation.............?
    And not the start of a change of PM.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,579
    So the question now is will Burnham try and carpetbag a seat in the South or Scotland if a suitable seat in the North doesn't have a by-election soon?

    A lot of politics is momentum and within weeks his momentum is going to dissipate and Starmer will cling on until 2028.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,837
    edited May 14
    Starmer echoes the Francis of Assisi language in his response to Streeting:

    https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2054955023356805346

    Starmer's reply to Streeting in full:

    Dear Wes,

    Thank you for your letter. I am very sorry that you have stepped down from Government. We have worked together for many years and I want to thank you for all your hard work in helping to get us back into Government and for all that you have achieved as Health Secretary.

    When we came into Government the NHS was on its knees. Almost two years on, the statistics published today are a result of your work and determination and that of the whole of the NHS. Thanks to the choices we made to stabilise our economy, invest in our public services and reform the NHS, hospital waiting lists have been cut. Patients are now waiting less time for hospital appointments, ambulances are arriving sooner, the NHS is more productive, and people's experience of healthcare is improving. The NHS is back on its feet.

    Alongside these performance improvements, you and your team have set out an ambitious policy agenda. The 10 Year Health Plan will modernise the NHS and wider health system. The Casey Commission and Fair Pay Agreement for adult social care puts us on a path to a National Care Service we can be proud of. Alongside this, the National Cancer Plan, HIV Action Plan, National Maternity and Neonatal Investigation, and Life Sciences Sector Plan are all ambitious pieces of work. The Tobacco and Vapes Act will save lives, and the Mental Health Act will improve lives.

    This is the difference a Labour government makes. This is the change we are delivering.

    Last week's local election results were extremely tough. I know many colleagues saw good friends lose seats. Everyone in our party is acutely aware that our opponents are more dangerous than ever before. They are a real threat to the values we care about, to the communities we represent and to the country we love.

    It is incumbent on all of us to rise to what I see as a battle for the soul of our nation. As part of that we must deliver on all of the promises we made to the country, including our promise to turn the page on the chaos that was roundly rejected by the British people at the last general election.

    I am truly sorry you will no longer be sat at the Cabinet table helping to transform our National Health Service. But I have no doubt you will continue to play an important role in our party for many years to come. I hope we can work together to show that Labour in power can address the problems our opponents exploit, can install hope where they want despair, and can bring people together where they want division.

    All best wishes.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,683

    Nigelb said:

    Farage is a liar. First £5m was for security now it’s a reward for campaigning for Brexit?

    Please, he's a serial fabulist.
    (Yes, that's the same thing.)

    Nigel Farage says the £5m gift he received from Christopher Harborne was a "reward for campaigning for Brexit for 27 years"
    https://x.com/PolitlcsUK/status/2054920974483497013
    Is anybody considering domestic politics without Farage?

    He's squirming badly on this issue. If he should fall...
    He might get knocked down, but like Chumbawumba...

    Nonetheless the £5m does however smell awful, particularly as he has spoken positively about Harborne's company.

    But Nigel is Nigel. He's a gun for hire, which is why I doubt in his heart of hearts he particularly wants to be the Sherriff.

    Mind you the stench isn't entirely hanging on Farage alone. From Wikipaedia:

    "In November 2022, Harborne donated £1 million to The Office of Boris Johnson Ltd, one of the biggest donations ever made to an individual British politician. The government awarded Qinetiq, a company in which Harborne was the largest single shareholder, an £80 million Ministry of Defence contract in January 2023. Harborne acted as an advisor to Boris Johnson on his trip to Kyiv in September 2023 to meet Volodymyr Zelenskyy".
    It's also telling how badly Farage is handling the situation. Every time he speaks, he makes his case worse.
    The composed amiable veneer cracks rapidly under pressure.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566

    NEW THREAD

  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,687
    Marco Rubio: “The Ukrainian armed forces, are the strongest and most powerful armed forces in all of Europe, just to be clear, right now”

    https://x.com/tendar/status/2054936039593066875
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,773

    https://x.com/GuidoFawkes/status/2054955023356805346

    Starmer's reply to Streeting in full:

    Dear Wes,

    Thank you for your letter. I am very sorry that you have stepped down from Government. We have worked together for many years and I want to thank you for all your hard work in helping to get us back into Government and for all that you have achieved as Health Secretary.

    When we came into Government the NHS was on its knees. Almost two years on, the statistics published today are a result of your work and determination and that of the whole of the NHS. Thanks to the choices we made to stabilise our economy, invest in our public services and reform the NHS, hospital waiting lists have been cut. Patients are now waiting less time for hospital appointments, ambulances are arriving sooner, the NHS is more productive, and people's experience of healthcare is improving. The NHS is back on its feet.

    Alongside these performance improvements, you and your team have set out an ambitious policy agenda. The 10 Year Health Plan will modernise the NHS and wider health system. The Casey Commission and Fair Pay Agreement for adult social care puts us on a path to a National Care Service we can be proud of. Alongside this, the National Cancer Plan, HIV Action Plan, National Maternity and Neonatal Investigation, and Life Sciences Sector Plan are all ambitious pieces of work. The Tobacco and Vapes Act will save lives, and the Mental Health Act will improve lives.

    This is the difference a Labour government makes. This is the change we are delivering.

    Last week's local election results were extremely tough. I know many colleagues saw good friends lose seats. Everyone in our party is acutely aware that our opponents are more dangerous than ever before. They are a real threat to the values we care about, to the communities we represent and to the country we love.

    It is incumbent on all of us to rise to what I see as a battle for the soul of our nation. As part of that we must deliver on all of the promises we made to the country, including our promise to turn the page on the chaos that was roundly rejected by the British people at the last general election.

    I am truly sorry you will no longer be sat at the Cabinet table helping to transform our National Health Service. But I have no doubt you will continue to play an important role in our party for many years to come. I hope we can work together to show that Labour in power can address the problems our opponents exploit, can install hope where they want despair, and can bring people together where they want division.

    All best wishes.

    It's bollocks, but I can't see his writers could have done any better under the circumstances.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,878

    dixiedean said:

    I know this is the lesser political story but still

    BREAKING: Reform UK has LOST minority control of Worcestershire County Council - after being overthrown by a shock rainbow coalition.

    The Conservatives have teamed up with the Greens, Lib Dems and independents to form a power-sharing alliance in the last few minutes. 2/3”


    What are they thinking? Refusing to ally with Reform but quite happy to ally with quasi-Marxist, quasi-Islamist Greens?

    This kind of shit will doom them with right wing voters. They cannot be trusted. They are still Cameroon wets, whatever Kemi claims

    https://x.com/tomedwardsbbchw/status/2054863889808937351?s=46

    The Tory party is about power and respectability. On the former the numbers suggest the Tories will be the biggest group on the council and perhaps they intend to do a Clegg on the Lib Dems and Greens? With regard to respectability, how many of the foremost London clubs would countenance Nigel Farage as a member?
    Seems implausible.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgpyxw7l5no

    "Green councillor Matt Jenkins has been made the new council leader"

    So. The Tories have conspired to put a Marxist Islamist in charge.
    The Worcester Greens were strong pre-Polanski - in 2024, they became the second largest party on the City Council. Badenoch might want to make a national point, but I don't think there's any likelihood of sharia law being imposed in Worcester Cathedral close.
    Well, yes. But I think Polanski is just too toxic from her POV. Her strategy is certainly not to give Farage any sticks. Probably sensible in the long run.
    We live in a multiparty political world now. If you refuse to go into coalition with anyone, you're never going to get a taste of power, and what's the point of voting for you?
    Yes, but we're talking about Polanski and the Greens. LibDems, even Labour, would be different.
    Well - the numbers are the numbers. "No, I won't form a government because I am too pure of heart" doesn't sound very convincing.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,130
    I having been busy today but checking in now I woupd say that Streeting has been extremely grown up in his approach and mirrors many mps and the unions in that Starmer needs to enter the debate and frankly hanging on is his worst option

    Like most of us, we cannot know how this pans out but I doubt Starmer will be PM by the Autumn
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,379

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2054929311761621155

    31% of Britons now have a favourable opinion of Kemi Badenoch (12-13 May 2026), the highest figure recorded by our tracker to date

    Favourable: 31% (+2 from 20-21 Apr)
    Unfavourable: 48% (-2)
    Net: -17 (+4)

    50% of Britons now have an unfavourable opinion of Zack Polanski (12-13 May 2026), up 16 points since last month

    Favourable: 23% (-3 from 20-21 Apr)
    Unfavourable: 50% (+16)
    Net: -27 (-19)

    Polanski: To know know know him is to loathe loathe loathe him....
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,339
    Vox pop in Wes's constituency finds Ilford North's answer to Brenda from Bristol: "I don't trust any of them. I think they're all out for themselves so whoever gets in it don't bother me, dear. But I like that Wes Streeting; I like him."

    Unfortunately there is no direct link. It is a carousel item on the BBC's news page: Who would Streeting's constituents prefer as PM?"
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,833

    IanB2 said:

    Sandpit said:

    Phillipson: PM Has Full Support of Cabinet

    Some of these f******* won't get another job in Cabinet once Starmer falls. Reeves amongst others must realise the gig is up, at least in the short to medium term.

    Pretty much the only positive kpi reporting has been from the Department of Health. If any other department has achieved anything over the last two years, they have kept it to themselves.
    Was there not a story last week about people being kicked off waiting lists for not replying to postal letters they said they never received? Not one or two people either.
    They’ve certainly done a purge of the waiting lists. Just cleaning out people who have died whilst waiting will shorten the list somewhat, and I am sure there are various other criteria they can use to clear out some of the names
    Yes, they do that. But they've always done that. That's not some new idea that will have made a difference.
    Yes, removing obselete and duplucate entries has been routine work for as long as I have been in the NHS.

    There were some interesting shenanigans where one of our manages met their year end target by sticking several hundred in a drawer and not entering them a couple of decaddes back, but impossible to do it now as all electronic. They were sacked when it came to light, amongst other dubious activities.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,379
    I have been setting up the Dart Music Festival (5 days with a lanyard...)

    Have I missed anything - or is it still going swimmingly for the Tories?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489

    GET THEE ONTO THE NEW THREAD

  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,511
    @pippacrerar.bsky.social‬

    BREAKING: Andy Burnham now has a route back to parliament after Josh Simons, MP for Makerfield announced he would stand down, triggering a byelection, and putting the Greater Manchester mayor in contention to become the next Labour leader.
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,190

    I have been setting up the Dart Music Festival (5 days with a lanyard...)

    Have I missed anything - or is it still going swimmingly for the Tories?

    When is Dart Music Festival?
  • Brixian59Brixian59 Posts: 2,190

    https://x.com/yougov/status/2054929311761621155

    31% of Britons now have a favourable opinion of Kemi Badenoch (12-13 May 2026), the highest figure recorded by our tracker to date

    Favourable: 31% (+2 from 20-21 Apr)
    Unfavourable: 48% (-2)
    Net: -17 (+4)

    50% of Britons now have an unfavourable opinion of Zack Polanski (12-13 May 2026), up 16 points since last month

    Favourable: 23% (-3 from 20-21 Apr)
    Unfavourable: 50% (+16)
    Net: -27 (-19)

    Polanski: To know know know him is to loathe loathe loathe him....
    So If the Locals were this week the Tories would lose 540 seats instead of 550.

    Wow
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,305
    The locals in Makerfield delivered:

    Reform 14223 votes
    Labour 7690 votes

    It was well beyond the 50/38 percentage result that EC has for the constituency.

    So Burnham has to swing around 3300 voters if he gets the chance. It'll be a challenge for him, but he'll have to take it on.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,811
    Pro_Rata said:

    The locals in Makerfield delivered:

    Reform 14223 votes
    Labour 7690 votes

    It was well beyond the 50/38 percentage result that EC has for the constituency.

    So Burnham has to swing around 3300 voters if he gets the chance. It'll be a challenge for him, but he'll have to take it on.

    Pro_Rata said:

    The locals in Makerfield delivered:

    Reform 14223 votes
    Labour 7690 votes

    It was well beyond the 50/38 percentage result that EC has for the constituency.

    So Burnham has to swing around 3300 voters if he gets the chance. It'll be a challenge for him, but he'll have to take it on.

    The media circus around Farage campaigning against the King of the North in the latter's fiefdom will be something else. Real toe-to-toe stuff.

    When did we last have a by-election as consequential as this?
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