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Wes side story – politicalbetting.com

BREAKING: An ally of Wes Streeting – who came out publicly to call for Starmer to go – says Streeting has “blown it.” They say he has lost support today from MPs who might have backed him and that they now don’t think he has the numbers to get on the ballot. https://t.co/PSx2ent1AQ

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  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,428
    First?
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,865
    Keir isn't going anywhere
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 37,009
    edited May 12
    Bloody hell! Curse of the new thread again!

    kinabalu said:

    rcs1000 said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2054269728458498243

    EXCLUSIVE:

    Ed Miliband has told Cabinet ministers that he is prepared to run for the Labour leadership if Wes Streeting triggers an imminent contest, The Times has been told

    If there's a serious chance of Ed being Prime Minister, I'll cancel my summer trip back to the UK.
    We've just cancelled an autumn trip to the US because... we just don't think we'll enjoyed knowing Trump is in the White House.
    Same. Road trip on ice until he's gone.
    We were in a hotel in Stratford on Avon this weekend* and a party of middle aged US women on an organise UK tour were in at breakfast. I so wanted to ask them 'wtf is going on with your country?' Sadly Mrs P. wouldn't let me spoil our wedding anniversary weekend in that way.

    (*Arturo Ui at the Swan is, btw, the best thing we have seen for a very long time. Sold out but I suspect it will transfer to London, so catch it if you can.)
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,330
    Well, that was fun while it lasted.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566

    Well, that was fun while it lasted.

    I refer everybody to my bar chart from the morning thread.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    Someone missed an opportunity to do a Heseltine and storm out of the cabinet meeting when Starmer refused to let them speak on the leadership question.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,593

    Someone missed an opportunity to do a Heseltine and storm out of the cabinet meeting when Starmer refused to let them speak on the leadership question.

    They probably considered how that went for him.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,848
    If Streeting doesn't have the numbers then Starmer is safe for now. Nobody else in the Cabinet wants to stand now unless forced to and unless and until Burnham is approved by the NEC as a parliamentary candidate and wins a by election he isn't a contender either
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    Nigelb said:

    Someone missed an opportunity to do a Heseltine and storm out of the cabinet meeting when Starmer refused to let them speak on the leadership question.

    They probably considered how that went for him.
    Starmer is no Thatcher.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,848
    edited May 12

    Pulpstar said:

    Starmer has looked like a dwarf amongst Labour MP gnomes this evening

    I said before the locals it was clear Starmer wouldn't go voluntarily.

    Labour MPs, as with Gordom Brown, couldn't organise a pregnancy on a council.
    Indeed, even when a majority of Labour MPs want a leader to go they STILL can't remove him, as Corbyn showed in 2016.

    If Starmer was a Tory PM he would already have been forced out by lunchtime today
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832

    If Wes Streeting did become PM he should make Maria Eagle Deputy PM.

    Just think of the potential of Wes side story and Maria.

    Well, it is a matter of Jets and Sharks...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,593
    I'm not an admirer of Mason, but he's gone up in my estimation.

    In the name of public service, and as ex-economics editor of BBC Newsnight, I offer to do a zoom call, tonight, with any Labour MP who wants to understand why bond markets do not "fall into line" with governments.
    https://x.com/paulmasonnews/status/2054229532404519082

    A straightforward thread.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,330
    HYUFD said:

    If Streeting doesn't have the numbers then Starmer is safe for now. Nobody else in the Cabinet wants to stand now unless forced to and unless and until Burnham is approved by the NEC as a parliamentary candidate and wins a by election he isn't a contender either

    It seems like only yesterday the Streeting camp thought it had the numbers to beat even Burnham.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,848
    Deputy PM David Lammy says Starmer has his full support and Mahmood says she will be staying in the Cabinet and not resigning
  • Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    Foxy said:

    If Wes Streeting did become PM he should make Maria Eagle Deputy PM.

    Just think of the potential of Wes side story and Maria.

    Well, it is a matter of Jets and Sharks...
    Yay, somebody spotted my subtle musical reference.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832
    Great opener for the first Semifinal.

    Manic East European rappers with scantily clad buxom blondes.

    Viva Moldova.

  • MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,996
    edited May 12
    FPT: House of Commons Summer Recess date of 16 July looks critical.

    Unless a Labour MP resigns pretty much immediately it's not going to be too difficult for Starmer to use delaying tactics to say there's no time for a by-election before that date, even if he isn't confident that the NEC will stick by its decision to not let Burnham stand.

    He could also say that in the aftermath of Local election results they need time to prepare for both the by-election and the Greater Manchester Mayoral Election so Burnham must stay in post over the summer and can only resign to stand in a by-election in the autumn.
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    edited May 12
    OMG PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE


    Sources in Downing St say Attorney General Richard Hermer is looking at whether, in the light of today, Labour’s NEC can suspend Mayor of Manchester Andy Burnham for 1) conduct prejudicial or grossly detrimental to Party; 2) disrepute; 3) factionalism; or 4) undermining unity.


    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/2054255051015667813?s=46
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,926
    FPT…
    Sandpit said:

    Well 2026 looks like the year that the AI political ads go mainstream in the US, pretty much now indistinguishable from the real characters.

    https://x.com/charliebcurran/status/2054269053217460734

    Wil be interesting to see if this catches on in the UK by the next election. These ads are now really cheap to make and can easily go viral on social channels.

    Thank heavens US political culture is known for its honesty and no-one there is going to abuse this technology.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,373
    edited May 12

    Someone missed an opportunity to do a Heseltine and storm out of the cabinet meeting when Starmer refused to let them speak on the leadership question.

    So far this is all about missed opportunities.

    At this rate Starmer can take the fall for losing another 1,500 councillors next May.
  • viewcode said:

    I hate this. I hate all of it. I don't think SKS should be PM. I don't want Streeting nor Mahmood as PM. I think Rayner might be able to do it but I don't think she will. Burnham can't do it. Cooper shouldn't stand due to ill-health.The only people I think wouldn't be a disaster would be....what? Darren Jones? David Lammy? (don't laugh).

    They had fourteen years to sort this out. The stupid, stupid bastards.

    Hahahaha

    I mean, it is catastrophic for the country yes. But also

    hahahahhaha

    And it means we really really will get a proper Hard Right government
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 10,134

    OMG PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE


    Sources in Downing St say Attorney General Richard Hermer is looking at whether, in the light of today, Labour’s NEC can suspend Mayor of Manchester Andy Burnham for 1) conduct prejudicial or grossly detrimental to Party; 2) disrepute; 3) factionalism; or 4) undermining unity.


    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/2054255051015667813?s=46

    Surely they can suspend Starmer under 1 (and possibly others)
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,373
    Croatian Eurovision entry has a hell of a key change!
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,847
    edited May 12
    Certainly the winners of this Starmer crisis are those who like Wes Streeting based puns.
  • PhilPhil Posts: 3,307
    viewcode said:

    I hate this. I hate all of it. I don't think SKS should be PM. I don't want Streeting nor Mahmood as PM. I think Rayner might be able to do it but I don't think she will. Burnham can't do it. Cooper shouldn't stand due to ill-health.The only people I think wouldn't be a disaster would be....what? Darren Jones? David Lammy? (don't laugh).

    They had fourteen years to sort this out. The stupid, stupid bastards.

    That’s the problem isn’t it: If not Starmer, then who? None of the current crop of ambitious pretenders stand out as having the qualities required frankly.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,935
    Phil said:

    viewcode said:

    I hate this. I hate all of it. I don't think SKS should be PM. I don't want Streeting nor Mahmood as PM. I think Rayner might be able to do it but I don't think she will. Burnham can't do it. Cooper shouldn't stand due to ill-health.The only people I think wouldn't be a disaster would be....what? Darren Jones? David Lammy? (don't laugh).

    They had fourteen years to sort this out. The stupid, stupid bastards.

    That’s the problem isn’t it: If not Starmer, then who? None of the current crop of ambitious pretenders stand out as having the qualities required frankly.
    Equally problematic there isn't a set of achievable policies that unite the majority of Labour MPs. Whoever is in charge will get the same stick Starmer does, just from slightly different factions.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,848
    edited May 12

    OMG PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE


    Sources in Downing St say Attorney General Richard Hermer is looking at whether, in the light of today, Labour’s NEC can suspend Mayor of Manchester Andy Burnham for 1) conduct prejudicial or grossly detrimental to Party; 2) disrepute; 3) factionalism; or 4) undermining unity.


    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/2054255051015667813?s=46

    If he did that there certainly would be a leadership challenge to Starmer but from Rayner not Streeting (assuming she had the numbers of course to be nominated)
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,224
    If you come for the Keir you'd better not miss.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832

    Croatian Eurovision entry has a hell of a key change!

    Oh dear, the Glory that was Greece...come to this.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,935

    Certainly the winners of this Starmer crisis are those who like Wes Streeting based puns.

    If its Streeting vs Burnham it would give the opportunity to rehash the (discredited) Streeting arson rumours.
  • Phil said:

    viewcode said:

    I hate this. I hate all of it. I don't think SKS should be PM. I don't want Streeting nor Mahmood as PM. I think Rayner might be able to do it but I don't think she will. Burnham can't do it. Cooper shouldn't stand due to ill-health.The only people I think wouldn't be a disaster would be....what? Darren Jones? David Lammy? (don't laugh).

    They had fourteen years to sort this out. The stupid, stupid bastards.

    That’s the problem isn’t it: If not Starmer, then who? None of the current crop of ambitious pretenders stand out as having the qualities required frankly.
    And, as I said on the last thread, the time available for a new leader to make a difference is rapidly diminishing

    On the latest poll Labour are fourth in VI and Baxtering puts them sixth in seats. They need a miracle worker - who dances turn all this around in less than three years
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,447

    OMG PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE


    Sources in Downing St say Attorney General Richard Hermer is looking at whether, in the light of today, Labour’s NEC can suspend Mayor of Manchester Andy Burnham for 1) conduct prejudicial or grossly detrimental to Party; 2) disrepute; 3) factionalism; or 4) undermining unity.


    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/2054255051015667813?s=46

    That would serve the fecker right.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,878
    The Burnham bubble is just so ridiculous. He's going to fail to start or fall at the first hurdle. Admittedly I'm not betting against him any more than I have already.

    If he does manage to succeed in his aim he's going to cheer up Liz Truss enormously.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    Does anybody have a link to which councils are up for election in the 2027 locals?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,373
    carnforth said:

    If you come for the Keir you'd better not miss.

    Bullets are flying, hitting everyone.

    One of these jokers has to deal with Putin and Trump.

    Be afraid.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132
    edited May 12
    Foxy said:

    viewcode said:

    I hate this. I hate all of it. I don't think SKS should be PM. I don't want Streeting nor Mahmood as PM. I think Rayner might be able to do it but I don't think she will. Burnham can't do it. Cooper shouldn't stand due to ill-health.The only people I think wouldn't be a disaster would be....what? Darren Jones? David Lammy? (don't laugh).

    They had fourteen years to sort this out. The stupid, stupid bastards.

    Labour look like nitwits.

    They will only wound big dog, not send him off to live on a farm.

    Thereby causing a long drawn out period of paralysis.
    Yes, they have now made their SKS problem a hundred times worse.

    They are unable to move against him, but he’s unwilling to budge. His authority has gone, in much of his party and with the country, but he remains in position. How does the Labour Party move forward from here? He is a lame duck, rejected by the country and not accepted by his party - but they cannot get rid of him.

    They’ve just delivered the worst of all worlds to themselves. If I were Farage or even Badenoch I’d be laughing myself silly right now.
  • Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,848

    Phil said:

    viewcode said:

    I hate this. I hate all of it. I don't think SKS should be PM. I don't want Streeting nor Mahmood as PM. I think Rayner might be able to do it but I don't think she will. Burnham can't do it. Cooper shouldn't stand due to ill-health.The only people I think wouldn't be a disaster would be....what? Darren Jones? David Lammy? (don't laugh).

    They had fourteen years to sort this out. The stupid, stupid bastards.

    That’s the problem isn’t it: If not Starmer, then who? None of the current crop of ambitious pretenders stand out as having the qualities required frankly.
    And, as I said on the last thread, the time available for a new leader to make a difference is rapidly diminishing

    On the latest poll Labour are fourth in VI and Baxtering puts them sixth in seats. They need a miracle worker - who dances turn all this around in less than three years
    Burnham would likely give them a big bounce, even if he only takes over a few months before a general election, especially from Reform and the Greens,

    Streeting less so but he might win over a few Tories and LDs
  • eekeek Posts: 33,908
    edited May 12

    Does anybody have a link to which councils are up for election in the 2027 locals?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-timetable-in-england/election-timetable-in-england

    103 districts with all seats, 44 districts with 1/3 seats, 35 Unitary authorities all seats, 14 Unitary with 1/3 seats.

    Tees Valley will be 100% Reform unless things rapidly change.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 9,627
    Spoilt for choice! Downing Street farce AND Eurovision
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    eek said:

    Does anybody have a link to which councils are up for election in the 2027 locals?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-timetable-in-england/election-timetable-in-england

    103 districts with all seats, 44 districts with 1/3 seats, 35 Unitary authorities all seats, 14 Unitary with 1/3 seats.
    Ta.
  • HYUFD said:

    Phil said:

    viewcode said:

    I hate this. I hate all of it. I don't think SKS should be PM. I don't want Streeting nor Mahmood as PM. I think Rayner might be able to do it but I don't think she will. Burnham can't do it. Cooper shouldn't stand due to ill-health.The only people I think wouldn't be a disaster would be....what? Darren Jones? David Lammy? (don't laugh).

    They had fourteen years to sort this out. The stupid, stupid bastards.

    That’s the problem isn’t it: If not Starmer, then who? None of the current crop of ambitious pretenders stand out as having the qualities required frankly.
    And, as I said on the last thread, the time available for a new leader to make a difference is rapidly diminishing

    On the latest poll Labour are fourth in VI and Baxtering puts them sixth in seats. They need a miracle worker - who dances turn all this around in less than three years
    Burnham would likely give them a big bounce, even if he only takes over a few months before a general election, especially from Reform and the Greens,

    Streeting less so but he might win over a few Tories and LDs
    After a couple more years of this shit Labour might be on 12 in the polls. So a big bounce that takes them to 15 or 16 might be less than crucial
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,330

    OMG PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE


    Sources in Downing St say Attorney General Richard Hermer is looking at whether, in the light of today, Labour’s NEC can suspend Mayor of Manchester Andy Burnham for 1) conduct prejudicial or grossly detrimental to Party; 2) disrepute; 3) factionalism; or 4) undermining unity.


    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/2054255051015667813?s=46

    I would not put the rent money on it.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,224
    Today's lunch and quota.



    (Let's pretend it's a real plate).

    One of only five pubs to appear in every edition of the CAMRA Good Beer Guide. The wooden arrangement in the background should allow you to guess its name.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,373
    Sorry Georgia, the wife just muted you.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,444

    I'm just back from a PLP organised drinking event held in a place that brews beer.

    It was really well organised.

    Get the organiser into parliament & make them PM.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    https://x.com/rupahuq/status/2054277874773823912

    Surprised to see my name on this list when I haven’t either signed any letter supporting the PM or called for the PM to go??

    Not very courteous of colleagues to put names down without their approval
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,224

    OMG PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE


    Sources in Downing St say Attorney General Richard Hermer is looking at whether, in the light of today, Labour’s NEC can suspend Mayor of Manchester Andy Burnham for 1) conduct prejudicial or grossly detrimental to Party; 2) disrepute; 3) factionalism; or 4) undermining unity.


    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/2054255051015667813?s=46

    "As so often at the human rights bar, high-minded idealism and personal convenience can happily coincide."

    -- Gove
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320
    OMG if Labour somehow end up with Miliband then they deserve to be obliterated at the next GE.

    Are Labour MPs so fxcking stupid that they’d vote for him and turn a clusterfxck into a total catastrophe?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,131

    OMG PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE


    Sources in Downing St say Attorney General Richard Hermer is looking at whether, in the light of today, Labour’s NEC can suspend Mayor of Manchester Andy Burnham for 1) conduct prejudicial or grossly detrimental to Party; 2) disrepute; 3) factionalism; or 4) undermining unity.


    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/2054255051015667813?s=46

    I would not put the rent money on it.
    Yeah, why would the attorney general look into this? Absurd overreach if true.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    I can actually. I have lost all faith in the left of centre parties. But Reform are trending downwards. The left's bigger problem is that it is split more ways than the right is. But tactical voting can address that.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,848

    HYUFD said:

    Phil said:

    viewcode said:

    I hate this. I hate all of it. I don't think SKS should be PM. I don't want Streeting nor Mahmood as PM. I think Rayner might be able to do it but I don't think she will. Burnham can't do it. Cooper shouldn't stand due to ill-health.The only people I think wouldn't be a disaster would be....what? Darren Jones? David Lammy? (don't laugh).

    They had fourteen years to sort this out. The stupid, stupid bastards.

    That’s the problem isn’t it: If not Starmer, then who? None of the current crop of ambitious pretenders stand out as having the qualities required frankly.
    And, as I said on the last thread, the time available for a new leader to make a difference is rapidly diminishing

    On the latest poll Labour are fourth in VI and Baxtering puts them sixth in seats. They need a miracle worker - who dances turn all this around in less than three years
    Burnham would likely give them a big bounce, even if he only takes over a few months before a general election, especially from Reform and the Greens,

    Streeting less so but he might win over a few Tories and LDs
    After a couple more years of this shit Labour might be on 12 in the polls. So a big bounce that takes them to 15 or 16 might be less than crucial
    There will always be a strong anti Farage vote in the UK, even last week Reform only got 27% NEV, it just needs the right Labour leader to mobilise it
  • carnforth said:

    Today's lunch and quota.



    (Let's pretend it's a real plate).

    One of only five pubs to appear in every edition of the CAMRA Good Beer Guide. The wooden arrangement in the background should allow you to guess its name.

    I do like a good photo quiz but thats hard. Looks northern. Cumbria or Yorkshire. Or Northumberland

    By the sea

    I have no idea what the wooden structure is and no idea of the pub. I’ll gamble on

    THE SHEEPFOLD
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,444
    viewcode said:

    I hate this. I hate all of it. I don't think SKS should be PM. I don't want Streeting nor Mahmood as PM. I think Rayner might be able to do it but I don't think she will. Burnham can't do it. Cooper shouldn't stand due to ill-health.The only people I think wouldn't be a disaster would be....what? Darren Jones? David Lammy? (don't laugh).

    They had fourteen years to sort this out. The stupid, stupid bastards.

    I agree; it's a very unseemly mess, that probably goes back to not having used the 14 years to come up with some sort of vision that they could all (more or less) get behind.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,848
    eek said:

    Does anybody have a link to which councils are up for election in the 2027 locals?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-timetable-in-england/election-timetable-in-england

    103 districts with all seats, 44 districts with 1/3 seats, 35 Unitary authorities all seats, 14 Unitary with 1/3 seats.

    Tees Valley will be 100% Reform unless things rapidly change.
    Labour were 4th in the 2025 locals on seats won behind Reform, the Tories and LDs on similar seats up as mostly up next year (with no London elections either in 2027). If they go in with Starmer still as PM they could end up 5th on seats won behind the Greens too
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    edited May 12

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    I can actually. I have lost all faith in the left of centre parties. But Reform are trending downwards. The left's bigger problem is that it is split more ways than the right is. But tactical voting can address that.
    You missed today’s poll then

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),


    That should give you hope. Courage, my friend. We can do this. We can get Big Nigel into power
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,865
    It's gone for Streeting now. More chance of UK winning Eurovision than Wes becoming PM
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,444
    HYUFD said:

    Deputy PM David Lammy says Starmer has his full support and Mahmood says she will be staying in the Cabinet and not resigning

    That's all very well but SKS ought to be chucking them out left, right & centre and bringing in new people who might at least have a modicum of loyalty. How on earth can he continue to sit round the cabinet table with a load of mutineers?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    I can actually. I have lost all faith in the left of centre parties. But Reform are trending downwards. The left's bigger problem is that it is split more ways than the right is. But tactical voting can address that.
    You missed today’s poll then

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),
    Do you have shares in YouGov ?

    How many times are you going to post that poll ? 3 years is a long time . I’d save the bunting for the timebeing!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,373
    nico67 said:

    OMG if Labour somehow end up with Miliband then they deserve to be obliterated at the next GE.

    Are Labour MPs so fxcking stupid that they’d vote for him and turn a clusterfxck into a total catastrophe?

    Uh-huh....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,848
    Big Ange is ready for No 10 if a vacancy arises

    'Angela Rayner is telling Labour MPs she is ready to launch a leadership campaign, despite remaining under investigation over her tax affairs.

    In recent days, the former deputy prime minister has signalled she could fall in behind Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham in any leadership contest.

    But Labour sources have told the Mail that she is still canvassing MPs for support for her own campaign if Keir Starmer is forced to quit at short notice.'

    https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15811331/Angela-Rayner-tells-Labour-MPs-ready-run-leadership-Andy-Burnham-fails-Westminster-time.html
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,373
    Finland up - fav with the bookies.
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    edited May 12
    nico67 said:

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    I can actually. I have lost all faith in the left of centre parties. But Reform are trending downwards. The left's bigger problem is that it is split more ways than the right is. But tactical voting can address that.
    You missed today’s poll then

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),
    Do you have shares in YouGov ?

    How many times are you going to post that poll ? 3 years is a long time . I’d save the bunting for the timebeing!
    lol. Does it cause you grief?

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),

    Until just now I have posted it all of three times in 13 hours. Maybe Just twice. Not exactly a barrage
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    I can actually. I have lost all faith in the left of centre parties. But Reform are trending downwards. The left's bigger problem is that it is split more ways than the right is. But tactical voting can address that.
    You missed today’s poll then

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),


    That should give you hope. Courage, my friend. We can do this. We can get Big Nigel into power
    Not very different to the NEV share. And wasn't Reform's NEV share higher last year? I can also tell you that from my experience in Wales there will be anti Reform tactical voting.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    In all of this the only winners are the opposition parties.

    Why would anyone give labour a hearing and the trouble is this is virtually a fractured party with no resolution in sight
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488

    If Wes Streeting did become PM he should make Maria Eagle Deputy PM.

    Just think of the potential of Wes side story and Maria.

    Wes Streeting looks more like Mercutio this evening.
  • Why is he still there.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,373
    (She has had some cosmetic surgery that did not go especially well - inside info from frienda in Finland who know her!)
  • JSpringJSpring Posts: 117
    edited May 12
    Today has shown why the Tories (rather than Labour) have been the natural party of government since the 1920s (when Labour replaced the Liberals as the main party of the left). You don't let a leadership crisis get to this point without having made sure that the leader is finished.

    On a somewhat different point, I'm not convinced by the 'the Tories left such a mess that it will take a long time to sort out' line that keeps getting trotted out. Sunak, for all of his faults, genuinely did sort out a lot of the mess in those final two years and gave an incoming Labour government something to work with, but Labour (as usual) have in some ways made things worse and where they might have made things better they have been terrible at communicating it.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488

    Why is he still there.

    Because, as you might have noticed with Jezbollah and Brownstuff, getting rid of a Labour leader against his will is actually bloody difficult.
  • Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    I can actually. I have lost all faith in the left of centre parties. But Reform are trending downwards. The left's bigger problem is that it is split more ways than the right is. But tactical voting can address that.
    You missed today’s poll then

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),


    That should give you hope. Courage, my friend. We can do this. We can get Big Nigel into power
    Not very different to the NEV share. And wasn't Reform's NEV share higher last year? I can also tell you that from my experience in Wales there will be anti Reform tactical voting.
    They came second in Wales, totally supplanting Labour

    I think they will be happy with that. Indeed avoiding actual government means they can carp from the opposition benches - ideal for a full assault on national power in 28-29
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320
    edited May 12
    Fahnbulleh adds that “no one wants us to rush," and that the PM “needs to steer us through the summer” and “then set in train a proper process“.

    How do these people get elected ?

    So she expects Starmer to hang around for 4 months as a lame duck and then resign to allow a leadership challenge to take place .

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,793
    These allies of Wes Streeting sure are talkative, he should invest in more discreet friends.

    I wonder how many of his 'allies' who resigned didn't even know they were his allies.
  • Finland up - fav with the bookies.

    What?
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,373

    nico67 said:

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    I can actually. I have lost all faith in the left of centre parties. But Reform are trending downwards. The left's bigger problem is that it is split more ways than the right is. But tactical voting can address that.
    You missed today’s poll then

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),
    Do you have shares in YouGov ?

    How many times are you going to post that poll ? 3 years is a long time . I’d save the bunting for the timebeing!
    lol. Does it cause you grief?

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),

    Until just now I have posted it all of three times in 13 hours. Maybe Just twice. Not exactly a barrage
    Weren't we expecting Reform to get a bit of a boost from the results?
  • stodgestodge Posts: 16,673

    eek said:

    Does anybody have a link to which councils are up for election in the 2027 locals?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-timetable-in-england/election-timetable-in-england

    103 districts with all seats, 44 districts with 1/3 seats, 35 Unitary authorities all seats, 14 Unitary with 1/3 seats.
    Ta.
    Unfortunately that list is inaccurate as it includes the 11 Surrey District and Borough Councils which will be abolished on 31st March 2027 under Local Government Reorganisation (along with Surrey County Council) and replaced with the Unitary West and East Surrey Councils.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 27,935

    In all of this the only winners are the opposition parties.

    Why would anyone give labour a hearing and the trouble is this is virtually a fractured party with no resolution in sight

    We don't have much of a choice. Badenoch will get the same treatment from the Tory MPs if she becomes PM. The LDs can't win. The Greens won't win and are led by someone a bit mad. Farage can't be challenged (well he can but he has the majority of the party shares) so would be a secure leader but he is Farage.

    It's not ideal but if we ruled out parties for all their failures we would have to either abstain or vote Count Binface.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,373
    edited May 12
    Montegro going for that vampire in a black ruff look.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320

    nico67 said:

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    I can actually. I have lost all faith in the left of centre parties. But Reform are trending downwards. The left's bigger problem is that it is split more ways than the right is. But tactical voting can address that.
    You missed today’s poll then

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),
    Do you have shares in YouGov ?

    How many times are you going to post that poll ? 3 years is a long time . I’d save the bunting for the timebeing!
    lol. Does it cause you grief?

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),

    Until just now I have posted it all of three times in 13 hours. Maybe Just twice. Not exactly a barrage
    It’s like revenge of the Tile . Didn’t we suffer enough yesterday ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,793

    nico67 said:

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    I can actually. I have lost all faith in the left of centre parties. But Reform are trending downwards. The left's bigger problem is that it is split more ways than the right is. But tactical voting can address that.
    You missed today’s poll then

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),
    Do you have shares in YouGov ?

    How many times are you going to post that poll ? 3 years is a long time . I’d save the bunting for the timebeing!
    lol. Does it cause you grief?

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),

    Until just now I have posted it all of three times in 13 hours. Maybe Just twice. Not exactly a barrage
    I expected a boost to Reform post the locals purely on the basis that the reporting that they'd done so well would probably cause a few people who had checked out to become interested in them again. I am surprised the Greens are so high, even if they were likely to get a smaller boost for similar reasons, but just MOE so nothing to it.

    The LDs doing ok, but being ignored, could likely explain a dip for them if it were not also MOE.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489

    https://x.com/rupahuq/status/2054277874773823912

    Surprised to see my name on this list when I haven’t either signed any letter supporting the PM or called for the PM to go??

    Not very courteous of colleagues to put names down without their approval

    "In fact, I'm not even sure I'm a member of the Labour Party."
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,499
    RobD said:

    OMG PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE


    Sources in Downing St say Attorney General Richard Hermer is looking at whether, in the light of today, Labour’s NEC can suspend Mayor of Manchester Andy Burnham for 1) conduct prejudicial or grossly detrimental to Party; 2) disrepute; 3) factionalism; or 4) undermining unity.


    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/2054255051015667813?s=46

    I would not put the rent money on it.
    Yeah, why would the attorney general look into this? Absurd overreach if true.
    It’s either utter nonsense or Starmer has reached the “declaring war on pixies” stage.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832

    Montegro goig for that vampire in a black ruff look.

    All a bit satanic...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,848
    edited May 12

    Say hello to Prime Minister NIGEL

    As I pointed out yesterday you are being far too optimistic. Based on the NEV from the local elections the centre right might stumble to a majority at the next election. And that is mid term with a very unpopular Prime minister.
    I get it. You too can’t cope with the idea, emotionally
    I can actually. I have lost all faith in the left of centre parties. But Reform are trending downwards. The left's bigger problem is that it is split more ways than the right is. But tactical voting can address that.
    You missed today’s poll then

    YouGov / Sky / Times

    RefUK 28% (+3),
    CON 17% (nc),
    GRN 16% (+1).
    LAB 16% (-2),
    LDEM 13% (-1),


    That should give you hope. Courage, my friend. We can do this. We can get Big Nigel into power
    Not very different to the NEV share. And wasn't Reform's NEV share higher last year? I can also tell you that from my experience in Wales there will be anti Reform tactical voting.
    They came second in Wales, totally supplanting Labour

    I think they will be happy with that. Indeed avoiding actual government means they can carp from the opposition benches - ideal for a full assault on national power in 28-29
    Reform actually did better in Wales on NEV than GB wide last week, 29% to 26% GB wide and 16% in Scotland
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,793

    In all of this the only winners are the opposition parties.

    Why would anyone give labour a hearing and the trouble is this is virtually a fractured party with no resolution in sight

    It's not ideal but if we ruled out parties for all their failures we would have to either abstain or vote Count Binface.
    That would fit your username in fairness.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,793
    AnneJGP said:

    HYUFD said:

    Deputy PM David Lammy says Starmer has his full support and Mahmood says she will be staying in the Cabinet and not resigning

    That's all very well but SKS ought to be chucking them out left, right & centre and bringing in new people who might at least have a modicum of loyalty. How on earth can he continue to sit round the cabinet table with a load of mutineers?
    Yes, it is one thing keeping people everyone knows is a mutineer but not openly declared, but when people have told him to go that has to be a sacking or it is just silly.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,493
    eek said:

    Does anybody have a link to which councils are up for election in the 2027 locals?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-timetable-in-england/election-timetable-in-england

    103 districts with all seats, 44 districts with 1/3 seats, 35 Unitary authorities all seats, 14 Unitary with 1/3 seats.

    Tees Valley will be 100% Reform unless things rapidly change.
    And all councils in Scotland.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,373
    nico67 said:

    Fahnbulleh adds that “no one wants us to rush," and that the PM “needs to steer us through the summer” and “then set in train a proper process“.

    How do these people get elected ?

    So she expects Starmer to hang around for 4 months as a lame duck and then resign to allow a leadership challenge to take place .

    It's a plan!!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    stodge said:

    eek said:

    Does anybody have a link to which councils are up for election in the 2027 locals?

    https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/election-timetable-in-england/election-timetable-in-england

    103 districts with all seats, 44 districts with 1/3 seats, 35 Unitary authorities all seats, 14 Unitary with 1/3 seats.
    Ta.
    Unfortunately that list is inaccurate as it includes the 11 Surrey District and Borough Councils which will be abolished on 31st March 2027 under Local Government Reorganisation (along with Surrey County Council) and replaced with the Unitary West and East Surrey Councils.
    Ta.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320
    edited May 12
    I’m glad there’s such a jovial lighthearted feel to things this evening .

    You have to laugh really or you’d cry . The economy is about to implode and Labour MPs couldn’t even run a chook raffle!
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,878

    RobD said:

    OMG PLEASE LET THIS BE TRUE


    Sources in Downing St say Attorney General Richard Hermer is looking at whether, in the light of today, Labour’s NEC can suspend Mayor of Manchester Andy Burnham for 1) conduct prejudicial or grossly detrimental to Party; 2) disrepute; 3) factionalism; or 4) undermining unity.


    https://x.com/joerichlaw/status/2054255051015667813?s=46

    I would not put the rent money on it.
    Yeah, why would the attorney general look into this? Absurd overreach if true.
    It’s either utter nonsense or Starmer has reached the “declaring war on pixies” stage.
    He's finally sick of the poor advice the Pixies have been offering.
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