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  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,542
    Eabhal said:

    Chameleon said:

    Guardian reporting that the 4 telling him to step down were Lammy, Cooper, Mahmood, Healey.

    https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/2053940778758558082

    That's everyone bar the Chancellor. He's done.

    Imagine they mess this up so badly we end up with Reeves.
    Come on, Ed!!!
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 14,281

    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2053946152764994046

    Sir Keir Starmer is resisting calls from senior Cabinet ministers to stand down

    He’s just announced six new PPS appointments to replace those who quit after calling for him to go

    Loyal ministers say he stands by his position from this morning - he will not walk away

    This is going to get very, very messy indeed

    This doesn't sound messy to me. He's Prime Minister, he's got a majority, he's got loads of new MPs so if some of the ministers want to quit he can bring some new blood in.

    If someone thinks they'd do a better job they can get 80 signatures and have a leadership challenge, there are perfectly good rules in place for how to do that.
    Usually people break before the challenge, the way most people 'resign' when told to or they will be sacked. But on rare occasions people say 'No, if you want to sack me, do it', 'No, if you want to remove me, challenge me properly'.

    We shall see if he forces the issue.
    Maybe I'm out-of-touch here but it's not clear to me that Starmer loses a challenge.

    I think the left rank him over Streeting and the right rank him over Rayner. And people who really, really want it to be Burnham might want to keep him in place until Burnham can run, which Starmer can ensure never actually happens.

    Also I know he hasn't shown himself to be brilliant at using this but he's Prime Minister, he has some control over the agenda that the other contenders don't.

    Cooper or Miliband or somebody might be able to attract transfers from both sides but it's not clear they're interested in running.
    The one thing Starmer is really, really good at is Labour Party machinations, and he’s shown to be stubborn and resilient. If he bites down it will be like fighting an XL Bully and frankly I don’t think there is anyone really up for that.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,331
    Watching Newsnight - Ian Dale making the point I have been that the Kings Speech on Wednesday is the hard stop moment. Dragging the King into a constitutional crisis as Keith not only hands over a speech to Chaz which may not be relevant by the end of the day, but then needs to stand up at the Dispatch Box proposing his program for government.

    Also, one of the PPS resignations was to Shabana Mahmood. Who has now told him to go. So why has a new PPS been appointed? What's the point?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790

    America…

    AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine builders of massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water use

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/georgia-data-center-used-29-million-gallons-of-water

    Is that a lot of water?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,671
    DavidL said:

    FF43 said:

    This "Quality Streeting" plan feels like a galaxy brain effort from Wes. After eight or so ministers have told Starmer to go his enemies are happy to revel in his discomfort. But there are no heroes in politics and given the flakiness of his plan, celebrations will likely be in short supply in the Streeting camp.

    If he has choreographed this he has shown more ability to run the country in 1 night than Starmer has in 2 years.
    I hope he gets it and that's not because it happens to land a nice bet for me and it's not because I feel aligned with his faction of the party (I don't). I just think (and this could be wrong but it's a strong and genuine opinion) that he is the class of the field on ability, vision and comms. There are others who I'm sure would be ok but Wes Streeting is the one with the potential to move the dial.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351
    Time for bed.

    Tomorrow is going to be a belter.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,989

    Watching Newsnight - Ian Dale making the point I have been that the Kings Speech on Wednesday is the hard stop moment. Dragging the King into a constitutional crisis as Keith not only hands over a speech to Chaz which may not be relevant by the end of the day, but then needs to stand up at the Dispatch Box proposing his program for government.

    Also, one of the PPS resignations was to Shabana Mahmood. Who has now told him to go. So why has a new PPS been appointed? What's the point?

    The PPS has resigned and she hasn't so obviously he appointed a new PPS? If she resigns that would be the time to appoint a new Home Secretary and probably shuffle the other people around, but as things stand she hasn't done that.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,355
    edited May 11

    I supported Sir Keir, I was proud to do so and he was clearly the best choice in 2020.

    But things move on, I accept he’s not been a good PM and in ma many ways I feel duped that I honestly thought he had a plan. I was wrong. I accept that.

    It can be anyone except Rayner or Miliband. Burnham is the best even though I don’t like him but he’s not an MP

    McSweeney had a plan; Starmer was his front man. Cf Dominic Cummings and Boris.
    If McSweeney had a plan why has Sir Keir been so poor?

    It basically went from bad to worse as soon as Gray left.
    You used to rave about mcsweeney, or at least about his election strategy. I suggest that Labour had a uniquely lucky situation that led Starmer to think he had a mandate. He got fewer votes than Corbyn for fecks sake. And then with the chance to be radical he’s cowered back from every tough choice.
    I think that Starmer would have been fine pre 2008. But since then, since the new economic normal, all PMs are expected to work miracles, and none can.
    It's not a miracle to get a decent amount of economic growth.

    Just because they haven't done it, doesn't mean it's impossible.

    What it DOES mean is that they've been too cowardly, lazy and/or stupid to take the short term political pain necessary to get the country back to a decent level of prosperity.

    So we stagnate even in good times, and decline in bad ones - all the more tragic because completely unnecessary.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,331

    bunnco said:

    At the last PMQs before the recess and out of view of the TV cameras but clearly visible from the Peers' gallery was John Healey, standing prominently at the bar of the commons, not on the front bench.

    As I remarked to my Noble Friends, "there you go, he's next."

    He's the one to watch.

    With the Kings Garden Party tomorrow there's not a long of time for him to rehearse another Speech on Wednesday

    Bunnco - Your man on the spot

    Welcome back, please keep posting.

    My legendary modesty prevents me from reminding everyone I tipped Healey at 50s.

    https://www.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2026/02/08/could-a-healey-or-benn-finally-lead-labour/
    If its Healey then its 3am in the Thick of it Special and Claire Ballentine has just ben brought into the office...
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,168

    bunnco said:

    At the last PMQs before the recess and out of view of the TV cameras but clearly visible from the Peers' gallery was John Healey, standing prominently at the bar of the commons, not on the front bench.

    As I remarked to my Noble Friends, "there you go, he's next."

    He's the one to watch.

    With the Kings Garden Party tomorrow there's not a long of time for him to rehearse another Speech on Wednesday

    Bunnco - Your man on the spot

    Welcome back, please keep posting.

    My legendary modesty prevents me from reminding everyone I tipped Healey at 50s.

    https://www.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2026/02/08/could-a-healey-or-benn-finally-lead-labour/
    And he’s longer than that right now…
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,858

    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2053946152764994046

    Sir Keir Starmer is resisting calls from senior Cabinet ministers to stand down

    He’s just announced six new PPS appointments to replace those who quit after calling for him to go

    Loyal ministers say he stands by his position from this morning - he will not walk away

    This is going to get very, very messy indeed

    This doesn't sound messy to me. He's Prime Minister, he's got a majority, he's got loads of new MPs so if some of the ministers want to quit he can bring some new blood in.

    If someone thinks they'd do a better job they can get 80 signatures and have a leadership challenge, there are perfectly good rules in place for how to do that.
    Usually people break before the challenge, the way most people 'resign' when told to or they will be sacked. But on rare occasions people say 'No, if you want to sack me, do it', 'No, if you want to remove me, challenge me properly'.

    We shall see if he forces the issue.
    Maybe I'm out-of-touch here but it's not clear to me that Starmer loses a challenge.

    I think the left rank him over Streeting and the right rank him over Rayner. And people who really, really want it to be Burnham might want to keep him in place until Burnham can run, which Starmer can ensure never actually happens.

    Also I know he hasn't shown himself to be brilliant at using this but he's Prime Minister, he has some control over the agenda that the other contenders don't.

    Cooper or Miliband or somebody might be able to attract transfers from both sides but it's not clear they're interested in running.
    Before today, I'd have agreed.

    The rationale for Starmer in both 2020 and 2024 was not about his talents as the greater flaws of the alternatives. And that's probably still true now.

    Streeting and Burnham are both opportunistic shits. Whilst you need a bit of that in politics, I suspect we've gone beyond the point where it's a good thing. And as a result, things have been said and done today that can't be taken back.

    So someone else is about to be cursed by getting the job they always wanted.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,297
    edited May 11

    Good day to bury bad news.

    NEW: Green Party leader Zack Polanski has tonight admitted that he failed to pay the correct council tax while living on a houseboat in east London

    https://x.com/sammerriman_/status/2053947581776945223

    I am happy there proved to be more to the story.

    Good news for Rayner!
    This is a subject I know way too much about, and I'm not entirely convinced that Dan Neidle is right and Polanski was wrong. Or more precisely, I think Neidle is drawing conclusions that might - and only "might" - nominally be what the law says in one place, but which in practice are not observed by most local councils or marinas. There are at least two possible interpretations that Neidle doesn't appear to have considered. Saying "yeah, fair point" and moving on, while the media's eye is elsewhere, is probably good politics for Polanski.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,564

    bunnco said:

    At the last PMQs before the recess and out of view of the TV cameras but clearly visible from the Peers' gallery was John Healey, standing prominently at the bar of the commons, not on the front bench.

    As I remarked to my Noble Friends, "there you go, he's next."

    He's the one to watch.

    With the Kings Garden Party tomorrow there's not a long of time for him to rehearse another Speech on Wednesday

    Bunnco - Your man on the spot

    Welcome back, please keep posting.

    My legendary modesty prevents me from reminding everyone I tipped Healey at 50s.

    https://www.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2026/02/08/could-a-healey-or-benn-finally-lead-labour/
    And he’s longer than that right now…
    Hush.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    I actually do think Starmer should stay on, but I do struggle to see how he resists the pressure - if the BBC are reporting how the Home Secretary (among others) is calling for him to set out his timetable for resignation how can he not sack her, and any others in Cabinet publicly reported as saying the same thing?

    The media scent blood so are presenting it as a 'when' not an 'if' but obviously the Cabinet are telling everyone what they are saying, and so either they go or he goes.

    I suspect he's getting his personal affairs in order.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,331
    Tomorrow, if they put the lectern out and the Prime Ministerial crest is missing, that's Keith resigning, yes?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,331
    When Keith does resign, its Orville I will feel sorry for.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,989
    edited May 11

    America…

    AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine builders of massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water use

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/georgia-data-center-used-29-million-gallons-of-water

    This story is total bollocks, see
    https://bsky.app/profile/andymasley.bsky.social/post/3mlhq3opeyk2i

    Good, very nuanced podcast if you're interested in the actual environmental impact of datacenters:
    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-worried-are-you-about-data-centers-ft-andy-masley/id1390384827?i=1000766767353
    BTW one of the things they say in this podcast is that it's unfortunate that people are running with this completely fake concern about water, because good ways of mitigating the actual, non-fake environmental harms - energy use and local noise pollution - tend to use more water.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,671

    kle4 said:

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2053946152764994046

    Sir Keir Starmer is resisting calls from senior Cabinet ministers to stand down

    He’s just announced six new PPS appointments to replace those who quit after calling for him to go

    Loyal ministers say he stands by his position from this morning - he will not walk away

    This is going to get very, very messy indeed

    This doesn't sound messy to me. He's Prime Minister, he's got a majority, he's got loads of new MPs so if some of the ministers want to quit he can bring some new blood in.

    If someone thinks they'd do a better job they can get 80 signatures and have a leadership challenge, there are perfectly good rules in place for how to do that.
    Usually people break before the challenge, the way most people 'resign' when told to or they will be sacked. But on rare occasions people say 'No, if you want to sack me, do it', 'No, if you want to remove me, challenge me properly'.

    We shall see if he forces the issue.
    Maybe I'm out-of-touch here but it's not clear to me that Starmer loses a challenge.

    I think the left rank him over Streeting and the right rank him over Rayner. And people who really, really want it to be Burnham might want to keep him in place until Burnham can run, which Starmer can ensure never actually happens.

    Also I know he hasn't shown himself to be brilliant at using this but he's Prime Minister, he has some control over the agenda that the other contenders don't.

    Cooper or Miliband or somebody might be able to attract transfers from both sides but it's not clear they're interested in running.
    Before today, I'd have agreed.

    The rationale for Starmer in both 2020 and 2024 was not about his talents as the greater flaws of the alternatives. And that's probably still true now.

    Streeting and Burnham are both opportunistic shits. Whilst you need a bit of that in politics, I suspect we've gone beyond the point where it's a good thing. And as a result, things have been said and done today that can't be taken back.

    So someone else is about to be cursed by getting the job they always wanted.
    And ultimately ending in shame and misery because it always does. That's a rule.
  • El_CapitanoEl_Capitano Posts: 4,297
    In other news, I see that Worcestershire's Reform leader has been suspended, and that the council is now going to be led by Alan Amos.

    Alan Amos.

    Possibly the single most execrable politician in Britain today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Amos
  • oxfordsimonoxfordsimon Posts: 6,012

    When Keith does resign, its Orville I will feel sorry for.

    I wish I could fly way up to the sky. But I can't
  • I supported Sir Keir, I was proud to do so and he was clearly the best choice in 2020.

    But things move on, I accept he’s not been a good PM and in ma many ways I feel duped that I honestly thought he had a plan. I was wrong. I accept that.

    It can be anyone except Rayner or Miliband. Burnham is the best even though I don’t like him but he’s not an MP

    McSweeney had a plan; Starmer was his front man. Cf Dominic Cummings and Boris.
    If McSweeney had a plan why has Sir Keir been so poor?

    It basically went from bad to worse as soon as Gray left.
    You used to rave about mcsweeney, or at least about his election strategy. I suggest that Labour had a uniquely lucky situation that led Starmer to think he had a mandate. He got fewer votes than Corbyn for fecks sake. And then with the chance to be radical he’s cowered back from every tough choice.
    I think that Starmer would have been fine pre 2008. But since then, since the new economic normal, all PMs are expected to work miracles, and none can.
    I did because I thought it was all going to come out in time. But nothing did. I was wrong.
  • EScrymgeourEScrymgeour Posts: 146

    When Keith does resign, its Orville I will feel sorry for.

    Orville will need a helping hand.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,371

    When Keith does resign, its Orville I will feel sorry for.

    I wish I could fly way up to the sky. But I can't
    No, you can't.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    Overhaul the planning system, he's having a laugh all right. (Ok, making it easier to dismiss challenges was a good move).

    I think there is something in the idea that because people don't feel great what would be scandals to shrug off are much harder - although Blair surely never had to face such harsh locals, so soon.

    Until someone bites the bullet, slashes spending, and does the difficult pro-growth reforms this country desperately needs, we will continue to have a ridiculous carousel of Prime Minsters.

    The truth is the Prime Minister could have survived the Mandelson scandal if people felt better off in their pockets.

    While there’s no growth, there’s no longevity of political tenure.

    Blair survived plenty of scandal, and plenty of Mandelson, ultimately because everything in life’s wider context didn’t feel so desperately shit.

    Until we have a political class brave enough to end the overspending, liberalise the labour market, and *actually* overhaul the planning system - we’re going to be stuck in this same psychodrama of doom.

    https://nitter.poast.org/tomhfh/status/2053905282976391338#m
  • The_WoodpeckerThe_Woodpecker Posts: 577
    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    13 minutes of Spursie time.

    One wonders why football doesn’t just implement a stopping clock, akin to rugby. * Hard to see where 13 minutes came from.

    *Except of course football hates learning from other sports, especially rugby.
    Because it is institutionally stupid.

    Hard not to disagree. Var could genuinely have been useful. About three times a season a terriblecwrong would be righted. But no, they couldn’t stop at the Lampard non goal and Maradonas punch and Henry’s handball.
    The new offside rule being trialed sounds a million times better than the 'your pinky finger was past the last man' approach they use now.
    Why? It'll just shift the argument to whether there was "daylight or no daylight?"

    Tonight Spurs were lucky to draw. Leeds will be top 10 next season.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,371
    The only thing worse for Labour in Starmer not resigning is Starmer having to have every finger prised off the door jamb of Number 10, as he screams "But I'm the best man for the job!!" into the void.

    Acquire some class, man - and resign. Nobody wants you to carry on (save for Andy Burnham - and that is only until the Friday after his by-election win).
  • ChameleonChameleon Posts: 4,291

    The only thing worse for Labour in Starmer not resigning is Starmer having to have every finger prised off the door jamb of Number 10, as he screams "But I'm the best man for the job!!" into the void.

    Acquire some class, man - and resign. Nobody wants you to carry on (save for Andy Burnham - and that is only until the Friday after his by-election win).

    He's going to walk into cabinet, be told they all think he should go and say that until someone triggers and wins a challenge he's still their PM and somehow not try and sack any of them, rather than taking the decent way out/route anyone with an ounce of political nous would take. We'll end up with a PM whose cabinet is in almost open rebellion.
  • Tim Shipman is a very good journalist but comes across like such a bellend.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,550

    The only thing worse for Labour in Starmer not resigning is Starmer having to have every finger prised off the door jamb of Number 10, as he screams "But I'm the best man for the job!!" into the void.

    Acquire some class, man - and resign. Nobody wants you to carry on (save for Andy Burnham - and that is only until the Friday after his by-election win).

    Remember the golden rule: identify which course of action will be the most politically damaging: that is the one they will choose.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,865

    Tomorrow, if they put the lectern out and the Prime Ministerial crest is missing, that's Keith resigning, yes?

    It could also mean a GE is being called 😈
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    13 minutes of Spursie time.

    One wonders why football doesn’t just implement a stopping clock, akin to rugby. * Hard to see where 13 minutes came from.

    *Except of course football hates learning from other sports, especially rugby.
    Because it is institutionally stupid.

    Hard not to disagree. Var could genuinely have been useful. About three times a season a terriblecwrong would be righted. But no, they couldn’t stop at the Lampard non goal and Maradonas punch and Henry’s handball.
    The new offside rule being trialed sounds a million times better than the 'your pinky finger was past the last man' approach they use now.
    Why? It'll just shift the argument to whether there was "daylight or no daylight?"
    Because getting the timing of your run 1ms off such that 1cm of one toe is over the line is easy to do now, whereas getting your timing so off that you've completely cleared the last man is harder, for professionals.

    Sure, there will still be some cases where it is close to whether there is daylight or not, but the balance is shifted toward the attacking side and players and the number of cases of being just past the last man are surely higher than being wholly past.
  • Chameleon said:

    Guardian reporting that the 4 telling him to step down were Lammy, Cooper, Mahmood, Healey.

    https://x.com/PippaCrerar/status/2053940778758558082

    That's everyone bar the Chancellor. He's done.

    Yeah. That’s it
  • Hanging on is such a bad look. He just needs to resign tomorrow and be done with it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    edited May 11
    He'll go in the morning, but I hope he holds out until at least the end of the week - he should wait for someone in Cabinet to poke their head up properly (not 'it is reported X told him to resign) and quit. Then he can say he will resign after a period of X. At least cost them some salary.

    Even Tory Cabinet Ministers had the guts to do that, eventually.
  • Big_IanBig_Ian Posts: 92
    Chameleon said:

    The only thing worse for Labour in Starmer not resigning is Starmer having to have every finger prised off the door jamb of Number 10, as he screams "But I'm the best man for the job!!" into the void.

    Acquire some class, man - and resign. Nobody wants you to carry on (save for Andy Burnham - and that is only until the Friday after his by-election win).

    He's going to walk into cabinet, be told they all think he should go and say that until someone triggers and wins a challenge he's still their PM and somehow not try and sack any of them, rather than taking the decent way out/route anyone with an ounce of political nous would take. We'll end up with a PM whose cabinet is in almost open rebellion.
    They could get rid with a Commons VONC, but that would be unnecessarily messy.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 10,789

    Hanging on is such a bad look. He just needs to resign tomorrow and be done with it.

    To be replaced by who exactly?
  • Hanging on is such a bad look. He just needs to resign tomorrow and be done with it.

    To be replaced by who exactly?
    Literally anyone
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 64,489

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    13 minutes of Spursie time.

    One wonders why football doesn’t just implement a stopping clock, akin to rugby. * Hard to see where 13 minutes came from.

    *Except of course football hates learning from other sports, especially rugby.
    Because it is institutionally stupid.

    They could also end the culture of shouting at and bullying referees in one afternoon by backing instant yellow or red cards for anyone who does it, but don't have the balls as all clubs would moan it was ruining the game to punish players for it.
    Yep. First game of the season. Proper tough on any backchat. Games might end up 7 vs 6 for a game or two, but they’d adapt.
    There was a proposal for "Orange Cards" for dissent, where you'd be sin binned for 5-10 minutes.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    If they can actually get some stability the people of Syria would accept a lot.

    Progress does not follow a straight-line trajectory. Syria’s political evolution will come in fits and starts, and there is still plenty of sectarian violence inside the country that threatens to derail its transformation. But even though Syria is no liberal democracy, it is a far more pliant partner for the West than Bashar al-Assad ever was.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/regime-change-has-its-perks/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    rcs1000 said:

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    13 minutes of Spursie time.

    One wonders why football doesn’t just implement a stopping clock, akin to rugby. * Hard to see where 13 minutes came from.

    *Except of course football hates learning from other sports, especially rugby.
    Because it is institutionally stupid.

    They could also end the culture of shouting at and bullying referees in one afternoon by backing instant yellow or red cards for anyone who does it, but don't have the balls as all clubs would moan it was ruining the game to punish players for it.
    Yep. First game of the season. Proper tough on any backchat. Games might end up 7 vs 6 for a game or two, but they’d adapt.
    There was a proposal for "Orange Cards" for dissent, where you'd be sin binned for 5-10 minutes.
    Unnecessary complication. Like creating new laws rather than enforcing existing ones.

    Yellow for everyone who crowds round the ref shouting at them, so that's four or five usually. That's enough of a warning that the next time they do it the same game it will be down to 1-2 reds.

    At the next game none of them will do it.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    edited May 11
    In random movie trivia news, after 52 days the film Project Hail Mary is reporting $328m foreign gross, and...$327.776m domestic.

    Not a common ratio.

    I also learned that Dune Part One was actually a massive flop at the box office, which is interesting considering Part Three is coming out end of the year.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,492

    kle4 said:

    Taz said:

    Sky

    Catherine West has 80 names

    That's nothing, Grant Shapps has at least 85.
    You know who else has LOADS of names?
    Jethro Q. Bunn Whackett Buzzard Stubble and Boot Walrustitty ?
    Don't forget

    'Unless-Jesus-Christ-Had-Died-For-Thee-Thou-Hadst-Been-Damned Barebone.'
    I believe the famous Barbone was actually called 'Praise-God' Barebone, which is must more reasonable.
    He was.

    I once met a Nigerian man with 14 Christian names.
    Two current students of mine havre been lumped with names that make me smile. Marvellous and Blessings. And they don’t appear to use nicknames.
    I have a work colleague whose first name is Christ.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,755
    kle4 said:

    In random movie trivia news, after 52 days the film Project Hail Mary is reporting $328m foreign gross, and...$327.776m domestic.

    Not a common ratio.

    I also learned that Dune Part One was actually a massive flop at the box office, which is interesting considering Part Three is coming out end of the year.

    It's not that unusual. From memory Sharon Stone films used to do better foreign than domestic, and Star Wars movies never really broke China.
  • No_Offence_AlanNo_Offence_Alan Posts: 5,492
    kle4 said:

    America…

    AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine builders of massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water use

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/georgia-data-center-used-29-million-gallons-of-water

    Is that a lot of water?
    We need to know how many Olympic-sized swimming pools that is.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    edited May 11
    viewcode said:

    kle4 said:

    In random movie trivia news, after 52 days the film Project Hail Mary is reporting $328m foreign gross, and...$327.776m domestic.

    Not a common ratio.

    I also learned that Dune Part One was actually a massive flop at the box office, which is interesting considering Part Three is coming out end of the year.

    It's not that unusual. From memory Sharon Stone films used to do better foreign than domestic, and Star Wars movies never really broke China.
    If you look at 2025 only one movie in the top 10 worldwide grossed half or more of its total in the US Domestic market. Only 4 of the top 20 earned more in the USA than overseas, and of those only one (Sinners) did so by a large margin (in 2024 it was 3/20 and 2023 it was 2/20). PHM being at 50% domestic is pretty high for a high grossing film.

    Yes, if you break China you make bank, but even a moderate run in China usually results in big movies getting more overseas than domestic.
    https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/world/2025/?ref_=bo_hm_yrww
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,755
    kle4 said:

    viewcode said:

    kle4 said:

    In random movie trivia news, after 52 days the film Project Hail Mary is reporting $328m foreign gross, and...$327.776m domestic.

    Not a common ratio.

    I also learned that Dune Part One was actually a massive flop at the box office, which is interesting considering Part Three is coming out end of the year.

    It's not that unusual. From memory Sharon Stone films used to do better foreign than domestic, and Star Wars movies never really broke China.
    If you look at 2025 only one movie in the top 10 worldwide grossed half or more of its total in the US Domestic market. Only 4 of the top 20 earned more in the USA than overseas, and of those only one (Sinners) did so by a large margin (in 2024 it was 3/20 and 2023 it was 2/20). PHM being at 50% domestic is pretty high for a high grossing film.

    Yes, if you break China you make bank, but even a moderate run in China usually results in big movies getting more overseas than domestic.
    https://www.boxofficemojo.com/year/world/2025/?ref_=bo_hm_yrww
    Useful info, thank you.
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    edited May 11
    Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango

    For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done

    You have a magical piece of European history repurposed

    But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic

    It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them

    My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love



  • Big_IanBig_Ian Posts: 92

    kle4 said:

    America…

    AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine builders of massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water use

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/georgia-data-center-used-29-million-gallons-of-water

    Is that a lot of water?
    We need to know how many Olympic-sized swimming pools that is.
    About 44
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 15,624

    Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango

    For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done

    You have a magical piece of European history repurposed

    But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic

    It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them

    My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love


    An insightful, needful post crackling with hetero-camp energy.
  • Dura_Ace said:

    Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango

    For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done

    You have a magical piece of European history repurposed

    But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic

    It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them

    My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love


    An insightful, needful post crackling with hetero-camp energy.
    Thanks!
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,204

    bunnco said:

    At the last PMQs before the recess and out of view of the TV cameras but clearly visible from the Peers' gallery was John Healey, standing prominently at the bar of the commons, not on the front bench.

    As I remarked to my Noble Friends, "there you go, he's next."

    He's the one to watch.

    With the Kings Garden Party tomorrow there's not a long of time for him to rehearse another Speech on Wednesday

    Bunnco - Your man on the spot

    Welcome back, please keep posting.

    My legendary modesty prevents me from reminding everyone I tipped Healey at 50s.

    https://www.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2026/02/08/could-a-healey-or-benn-finally-lead-labour/
    So did I at very long odds a couple of months back, as a value bet. There are a lot of reasons to think that he could make a decent fist of appealing as a respected non-factional unity candidate without damaging baggage who could come through the middle. The main reservation is that that is all speculation without any evidence that he is in any way interested, so Bunnco's observation is interesting.

    I would still be surprised if Healey is seriously entertaining a bid, because if he were doing even the slightest amount of preparation then something would surely have got out and those odds would have come down a bit rather than drifting out in recent weeks. That said, the odds are so long that they imply that there would be widespread surprise at his candidature, and as such they still represent value.

  • Seriously tho

    WTF IS GOING ON IN MY REPURPOSED 17TH CENTURY DELFT TILE BEDROOM WINE COASTER

    Is it 400-year-old religiose homo-erotic quasi-ceramic agit-prop?

    I get the weird feeling I need @kinabalu’s verdict
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559

    In other news, I see that Worcestershire's Reform leader has been suspended, and that the council is now going to be led by Alan Amos.

    Alan Amos.

    Possibly the single most execrable politician in Britain today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Amos

    He was my girlfriend then wife now ex wife's MP when we met.
    He's a long standing ne'er do well.
    As am I to her.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    13 minutes of Spursie time.

    One wonders why football doesn’t just implement a stopping clock, akin to rugby. * Hard to see where 13 minutes came from.

    *Except of course football hates learning from other sports, especially rugby.
    Because it is institutionally stupid.

    Hard not to disagree. Var could genuinely have been useful. About three times a season a terriblecwrong would be righted. But no, they couldn’t stop at the Lampard non goal and Maradonas punch and Henry’s handball.
    The new offside rule being trialed sounds a million times better than the 'your pinky finger was past the last man' approach they use now.
    Why? It'll just shift the argument to whether there was "daylight or no daylight?"

    Tonight Spurs were lucky to draw. Leeds will be top 10 next season.
    Yes.
    The advantage of the it was only his big toe is that it is at least objective fact.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,781
    dixiedean said:

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    13 minutes of Spursie time.

    One wonders why football doesn’t just implement a stopping clock, akin to rugby. * Hard to see where 13 minutes came from.

    *Except of course football hates learning from other sports, especially rugby.
    Because it is institutionally stupid.

    Hard not to disagree. Var could genuinely have been useful. About three times a season a terriblecwrong would be righted. But no, they couldn’t stop at the Lampard non goal and Maradonas punch and Henry’s handball.
    The new offside rule being trialed sounds a million times better than the 'your pinky finger was past the last man' approach they use now.
    Why? It'll just shift the argument to whether there was "daylight or no daylight?"

    Tonight Spurs were lucky to draw. Leeds will be top 10 next season.
    Yes.
    The advantage of the it was only his big toe is that it is at least objective fact.
    Cricket works well with umpires call. Eliminates much of the arguments.

    Just stick with on field decision unless clearly on, or clearly off.
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,204
    The very idea I floated here earlier, now being floated by the New Statesman a few hours later...... even with the fine detail of Miliband being eventually rewarded by being made Chancellor as part of the deal.

    So it's not quite as fanciful as some here were suggesting earlier, because I'm not the only one thinking it.

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2026/05/install-ed-miliband-as-caretaker-prime-minister

    11 May 2026
    Install Ed Miliband as caretaker prime minister
    Then bring back Andy Burnham

    Extract:
    ".....So what’s the solution? As unorthodox as this would be, one way forward would be for a current sitting MP – Ed Miliband, Angela Rayner, or someone less well-known – to challenge Starmer for the leadership now, with the express and explicit intention of using their position as leader to recompose the NEC, bring Burnham back into parliament, and make way for him as leader and Prime Minister as soon as possible. Yes, the press would squawk about uncertainty, chaos and the bond markets. But Burnham could be brought into cabinet discussions as soon as the new leader were in place; that way, investors could be reassured that a consistent programme would be followed during the few weeks that it would take to complete this process: especially if, for example, caretaker PM Ed Miliband were to be appointed Chancellor of the Exchequer as soon as his more electable colleague was installed as Premier......."
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,166
    If the PM goes two days before a King’s Speech, then what dot you do? You can’t have THAT speech because the new PM may not like it.

    Do you have an ultra short Parliament with stuff everyone sort of agrees with? Now to Sep to cover a leadership election then go again?

    But do you do that, then Labour are giving up another six months of nothing happening.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559
    edited May 11

    dixiedean said:

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    13 minutes of Spursie time.

    One wonders why football doesn’t just implement a stopping clock, akin to rugby. * Hard to see where 13 minutes came from.

    *Except of course football hates learning from other sports, especially rugby.
    Because it is institutionally stupid.

    Hard not to disagree. Var could genuinely have been useful. About three times a season a terriblecwrong would be righted. But no, they couldn’t stop at the Lampard non goal and Maradonas punch and Henry’s handball.
    The new offside rule being trialed sounds a million times better than the 'your pinky finger was past the last man' approach they use now.
    Why? It'll just shift the argument to whether there was "daylight or no daylight?"

    Tonight Spurs were lucky to draw. Leeds will be top 10 next season.
    Yes.
    The advantage of the it was only his big toe is that it is at least objective fact.
    Cricket works well with umpires call. Eliminates much of the arguments.

    Just stick with on field decision unless clearly on, or clearly off.
    Yes but.
    Define clearly.
    Cricket works because it has a defined threshold for Umpires Call.
  • bigglesbiggles Posts: 7,166
    edited May 11
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    13 minutes of Spursie time.

    One wonders why football doesn’t just implement a stopping clock, akin to rugby. * Hard to see where 13 minutes came from.

    *Except of course football hates learning from other sports, especially rugby.
    Because it is institutionally stupid.

    Hard not to disagree. Var could genuinely have been useful. About three times a season a terriblecwrong would be righted. But no, they couldn’t stop at the Lampard non goal and Maradonas punch and Henry’s handball.
    The new offside rule being trialed sounds a million times better than the 'your pinky finger was past the last man' approach they use now.
    Why? It'll just shift the argument to whether there was "daylight or no daylight?"

    Tonight Spurs were lucky to draw. Leeds will be top 10 next season.
    Yes.
    The advantage of the it was only his big toe is that it is at least objective fact.
    Cricket works well with umpires call. Eliminates much of the arguments.

    Just stick with on field decision unless clearly on, or clearly off.
    Yes but.
    Define clearly.
    Cricket works because it has a defined threshold for Umpires Call.
    It’s easy. Give someone (presumably the coach/manager) x reviews they lose if they are wrong , and let the Ref review if they want. Nothing else. Just like cricket.

    Edit - “clearly” becomes “what the VAR ref says” just like some things (e.g. marginal catches) are in cricket.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,371

    The very idea I floated here earlier, now being floated by the New Statesman a few hours later...... even with the fine detail of Miliband being eventually rewarded by being made Chancellor as part of the deal.

    So it's not quite as fanciful as some here were suggesting earlier, because I'm not the only one thinking it.

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2026/05/install-ed-miliband-as-caretaker-prime-minister

    11 May 2026
    Install Ed Miliband as caretaker prime minister
    Then bring back Andy Burnham

    Extract:
    ".....So what’s the solution? As unorthodox as this would be, one way forward would be for a current sitting MP – Ed Miliband, Angela Rayner, or someone less well-known – to challenge Starmer for the leadership now, with the express and explicit intention of using their position as leader to recompose the NEC, bring Burnham back into parliament, and make way for him as leader and Prime Minister as soon as possible. Yes, the press would squawk about uncertainty, chaos and the bond markets. But Burnham could be brought into cabinet discussions as soon as the new leader were in place; that way, investors could be reassured that a consistent programme would be followed during the few weeks that it would take to complete this process: especially if, for example, caretaker PM Ed Miliband were to be appointed Chancellor of the Exchequer as soon as his more electable colleague was installed as Premier......."

    The only slight problem with this is whether the voters are going to play ball and elect Burnham. Surely it is not in the interests of the other parties to have Labour elect someone who they think will improve the Party's fortunes? If the voters are expected to elect Burnham, then they are in such an ornery mood, they might refuse to go along with this.

    Which would be quite hilarious - albeit it might make PM Farage a nearer outcome.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,790
    edited May 11
    Last night going to sleep with Keir Starmer as PM, cherish it.

    (Nah, he'll just announce a timetable).
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,224

    Here’s an evening mystery to take our minds off the Labour fandango

    For a while I’ve been buying 17th-18th century Delft tiles and turning them into coasters. They are superb at this. Just spray the back with lacquer, if needed. Add felt feet. Done

    You have a magical piece of European history repurposed

    But this one is my favourite, so it’s on my bedside table. Because it is so enigmatic

    It appears to show a cloven hoofed demon walking past an idling amorous couple, where the man has given up his shovel. So the demon is condemning idle love? Or indolence? And yet, look more closely. Both humans are male. Bearded. And they seem to be perfectly happy. And the demon actually looks like he might be blessing them

    My guess right now is that this hand painted tile was done by a dissident delft gay tile artist, sneaking his perverse sexuality past the Protestant mores of the day and quietly celebrating man love



    And yet the Viognier is the gayest thing in shot.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,945

    The very idea I floated here earlier, now being floated by the New Statesman a few hours later...... even with the fine detail of Miliband being eventually rewarded by being made Chancellor as part of the deal.

    So it's not quite as fanciful as some here were suggesting earlier, because I'm not the only one thinking it.

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2026/05/install-ed-miliband-as-caretaker-prime-minister

    11 May 2026
    Install Ed Miliband as caretaker prime minister
    Then bring back Andy Burnham

    Extract:
    ".....So what’s the solution? As unorthodox as this would be, one way forward would be for a current sitting MP – Ed Miliband, Angela Rayner, or someone less well-known – to challenge Starmer for the leadership now, with the express and explicit intention of using their position as leader to recompose the NEC, bring Burnham back into parliament, and make way for him as leader and Prime Minister as soon as possible. Yes, the press would squawk about uncertainty, chaos and the bond markets. But Burnham could be brought into cabinet discussions as soon as the new leader were in place; that way, investors could be reassured that a consistent programme would be followed during the few weeks that it would take to complete this process: especially if, for example, caretaker PM Ed Miliband were to be appointed Chancellor of the Exchequer as soon as his more electable colleague was installed as Premier......."

    Two significant problems with this:

    1) What happens if Ed Miliband is still PM when the inevitable sovereign debt crisis this will cause kicks off?

    2) What happens when the voters, rather unsportingly but pretty inevitably, vote tactically to ensure Burnham loses.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,989
    On the Burnham thing, in the event that for reasons I don't really understand the Labour Party did feel inclined either to faff around with their timetable (in the event that Starmer quits) or let him run in a byelection so he can challenge the leader (in the event that he doesn't) wouldn't it make more sense to change the rules so that a non-MP could run for leader? He can make his challenge, if he loses he can just go back to being Mayor of Manchester and stop fucking around and if he wins they can temporarily make him a lord until such time as they can get him back into parliament.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,733

    The very idea I floated here earlier, now being floated by the New Statesman a few hours later...... even with the fine detail of Miliband being eventually rewarded by being made Chancellor as part of the deal.

    So it's not quite as fanciful as some here were suggesting earlier, because I'm not the only one thinking it.

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2026/05/install-ed-miliband-as-caretaker-prime-minister

    11 May 2026
    Install Ed Miliband as caretaker prime minister
    Then bring back Andy Burnham

    Extract:
    ".....So what’s the solution? As unorthodox as this would be, one way forward would be for a current sitting MP – Ed Miliband, Angela Rayner, or someone less well-known – to challenge Starmer for the leadership now, with the express and explicit intention of using their position as leader to recompose the NEC, bring Burnham back into parliament, and make way for him as leader and Prime Minister as soon as possible. Yes, the press would squawk about uncertainty, chaos and the bond markets. But Burnham could be brought into cabinet discussions as soon as the new leader were in place; that way, investors could be reassured that a consistent programme would be followed during the few weeks that it would take to complete this process: especially if, for example, caretaker PM Ed Miliband were to be appointed Chancellor of the Exchequer as soon as his more electable colleague was installed as Premier......."

    The only slight problem with this is whether the voters are going to play ball and elect Burnham. Surely it is not in the interests of the other parties to have Labour elect someone who they think will improve the Party's fortunes? If the voters are expected to elect Burnham, then they are in such an ornery mood, they might refuse to go along with this.

    Which would be quite hilarious - albeit it might make PM Farage a nearer outcome.
    Considering the mood the electorate are in at the moment, surely calling an unnecessary by-election solely to aid Burnham's ambitions to become the next Labour leader and PM has got to be a huge political gamble for him and the Labour party?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 28,755

    The very idea I floated here earlier, now being floated by the New Statesman a few hours later...... even with the fine detail of Miliband being eventually rewarded by being made Chancellor as part of the deal.

    So it's not quite as fanciful as some here were suggesting earlier, because I'm not the only one thinking it.

    https://www.newstatesman.com/comment/2026/05/install-ed-miliband-as-caretaker-prime-minister

    11 May 2026
    Install Ed Miliband as caretaker prime minister
    Then bring back Andy Burnham

    Extract:
    ".....So what’s the solution? As unorthodox as this would be, one way forward would be for a current sitting MP – Ed Miliband, Angela Rayner, or someone less well-known – to challenge Starmer for the leadership now, with the express and explicit intention of using their position as leader to recompose the NEC, bring Burnham back into parliament, and make way for him as leader and Prime Minister as soon as possible. Yes, the press would squawk about uncertainty, chaos and the bond markets. But Burnham could be brought into cabinet discussions as soon as the new leader were in place; that way, investors could be reassured that a consistent programme would be followed during the few weeks that it would take to complete this process: especially if, for example, caretaker PM Ed Miliband were to be appointed Chancellor of the Exchequer as soon as his more electable colleague was installed as Premier......."

    Instal Ed Miliband as caretaker Labour leader, then get Burnham in as Labour leader, then make him PM.

    I mean it's still bullshit, but it's marginally more plausible


  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,257
    kle4 said:

    Last night going to sleep with Keir Starmer as PM, cherish it.

    (Nah, he'll just announce a timetable).

    Last night going to sleep with Kier Starmer as Labour leader (he will stay PM until a new leader is picked as the King can't be left without a PM)
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,561
    I think Andy Burnham is a complete prick.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,137
    kle4 said:

    America…

    AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine builders of massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water use

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/georgia-data-center-used-29-million-gallons-of-water

    Is that a lot of water?
    Yes and no. It is about 1/10th of an olympic swimming pool per day.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,955
    bunnco said:

    At the last PMQs before the recess and out of view of the TV cameras but clearly visible from the Peers' gallery was John Healey, standing prominently at the bar of the commons, not on the front bench.

    As I remarked to my Noble Friends, "there you go, he's next."

    He's the one to watch.

    With the Kings Garden Party tomorrow there's not a long of time for him to rehearse another Speech on Wednesday

    Bunnco - Your man on the spot

    He doesn't even know how many ships we have.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,955
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    13 minutes of Spursie time.

    One wonders why football doesn’t just implement a stopping clock, akin to rugby. * Hard to see where 13 minutes came from.

    *Except of course football hates learning from other sports, especially rugby.
    Because it is institutionally stupid.

    Hard not to disagree. Var could genuinely have been useful. About three times a season a terriblecwrong would be righted. But no, they couldn’t stop at the Lampard non goal and Maradonas punch and Henry’s handball.
    The new offside rule being trialed sounds a million times better than the 'your pinky finger was past the last man' approach they use now.
    Why? It'll just shift the argument to whether there was "daylight or no daylight?"

    Tonight Spurs were lucky to draw. Leeds will be top 10 next season.
    Yes.
    The advantage of the it was only his big toe is that it is at least objective fact.
    Cricket works well with umpires call. Eliminates much of the arguments.

    Just stick with on field decision unless clearly on, or clearly off.
    Yes but.
    Define clearly.
    Cricket works because it has a defined threshold for Umpires Call.
    Being out or not out depending on what the original decision was is farcical. You are either out or you aren't.
  • GIN1138 said:

    biggles said:

    If the PM goes two days before a King’s Speech, then what dot you do? You can’t have THAT speech because the new PM may not like it.

    Do you have an ultra short Parliament with stuff everyone sort of agrees with? Now to Sep to cover a leadership election then go again?

    But do you do that, then Labour are giving up another six months of nothing happening.

    Why not prorogue Parliament like Boris and Cummings did? :D
    I can see why this will be causing consternation in Downing Street and Buckingham Palace. It is astonishing that no-one is even mentioning the theory of what is / could happen. My guess is that precedent will be broken.

    Today, either Starmer kisses hands and some interim Labour person, I kid you not, Lammy goes to the palace and is PM by this evening

    OR None of this happens

    Tomorrow we have the State Opening of Parliament with the King reading the Speech prepared by the PM, Starmer or LAMMY !!!

    There is the vote on the King's Speech. Either it is supported or it is voted down. If Starmer is still PM the speech needs to be voted down by all genuine opposition and those MPs formerly on the government benches who oppose Starmer.

    If it is Lammy's Speech, heaven help us, it should PASS and Lammy is PM with the support of the HoC, No it isn't 1st April.

    If the Speech is VOTED DOWN then precedent is pretty clear, If the failing PM is Starmer then the King should call on Lammy to see if he can form a government. At that point it is the King's choice, not Labour's

    If it is already Lammy, and it ought to be but his speech is voted down, THEN the King must call on the Leader of His Majesty's Loyal Opposition to see if she can form an Administration.

    The Leader of the Opposition will attempt to form a minority administration. Because of the numbers she ought to include Reform MPs and LD MPs, maybe even Scot Nats. This government will presumably fall. But, not necessarily. Importantly Kemi IS PM. At this point Kemi informs the King she is unable to command a majority in the HoC and calls for a Dissolution with a GE presumably 1st week in July.

    But during the interim Kemi will be PM. You can see why Labour will have to have an interim PM today to avoid all this.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,439

    America…

    AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine builders of massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water use

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/georgia-data-center-used-29-million-gallons-of-water

    So:

    - people complained about low water pressure
    - They were asked to stop watering their lawns as a temporary measure to save water
    - The county investigated and discovered the source of the problem
    - The offender was billed for the water that they used

    I’m not seeing what your issue is? It seems to be that you think they should have been fined in addition to being charged for the water?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,131

    GIN1138 said:

    biggles said:

    If the PM goes two days before a King’s Speech, then what dot you do? You can’t have THAT speech because the new PM may not like it.

    Do you have an ultra short Parliament with stuff everyone sort of agrees with? Now to Sep to cover a leadership election then go again?

    But do you do that, then Labour are giving up another six months of nothing happening.

    Why not prorogue Parliament like Boris and Cummings did? :D
    I can see why this will be causing consternation in Downing Street and Buckingham Palace. It is astonishing that no-one is even mentioning the theory of what is / could happen. My guess is that precedent will be broken.

    Today, either Starmer kisses hands and some interim Labour person, I kid you not, Lammy goes to the palace and is PM by this evening

    OR None of this happens

    Tomorrow we have the State Opening of Parliament with the King reading the Speech prepared by the PM, Starmer or LAMMY !!!

    There is the vote on the King's Speech. Either it is supported or it is voted down. If Starmer is still PM the speech needs to be voted down by all genuine opposition and those MPs formerly on the government benches who oppose Starmer.

    If it is Lammy's Speech, heaven help us, it should PASS and Lammy is PM with the support of the HoC, No it isn't 1st April.

    If the Speech is VOTED DOWN then precedent is pretty clear, If the failing PM is Starmer then the King should call on Lammy to see if he can form a government. At that point it is the King's choice, not Labour's

    If it is already Lammy, and it ought to be but his speech is voted down, THEN the King must call on the Leader of His Majesty's Loyal Opposition to see if she can form an Administration.

    The Leader of the Opposition will attempt to form a minority administration. Because of the numbers she ought to include Reform MPs and LD MPs, maybe even Scot Nats. This government will presumably fall. But, not necessarily. Importantly Kemi IS PM. At this point Kemi informs the King she is unable to command a majority in the HoC and calls for a Dissolution with a GE presumably 1st week in July.

    But during the interim Kemi will be PM. You can see why Labour will have to have an interim PM today to avoid all this.
    It’s far more likely the King will invite someone from Labour to form a government as they are likely to be able to command a majority.
  • RobD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    biggles said:

    If the PM goes two days before a King’s Speech, then what dot you do? You can’t have THAT speech because the new PM may not like it.

    Do you have an ultra short Parliament with stuff everyone sort of agrees with? Now to Sep to cover a leadership election then go again?

    But do you do that, then Labour are giving up another six months of nothing happening.

    Why not prorogue Parliament like Boris and Cummings did? :D
    I can see why this will be causing consternation in Downing Street and Buckingham Palace. It is astonishing that no-one is even mentioning the theory of what is / could happen. My guess is that precedent will be broken.

    Today, either Starmer kisses hands and some interim Labour person, I kid you not, Lammy goes to the palace and is PM by this evening

    OR None of this happens

    Tomorrow we have the State Opening of Parliament with the King reading the Speech prepared by the PM, Starmer or LAMMY !!!

    There is the vote on the King's Speech. Either it is supported or it is voted down. If Starmer is still PM the speech needs to be voted down by all genuine opposition and those MPs formerly on the government benches who oppose Starmer.

    If it is Lammy's Speech, heaven help us, it should PASS and Lammy is PM with the support of the HoC, No it isn't 1st April.

    If the Speech is VOTED DOWN then precedent is pretty clear, If the failing PM is Starmer then the King should call on Lammy to see if he can form a government. At that point it is the King's choice, not Labour's

    If it is already Lammy, and it ought to be but his speech is voted down, THEN the King must call on the Leader of His Majesty's Loyal Opposition to see if she can form an Administration.

    The Leader of the Opposition will attempt to form a minority administration. Because of the numbers she ought to include Reform MPs and LD MPs, maybe even Scot Nats. This government will presumably fall. But, not necessarily. Importantly Kemi IS PM. At this point Kemi informs the King she is unable to command a majority in the HoC and calls for a Dissolution with a GE presumably 1st week in July.

    But during the interim Kemi will be PM. You can see why Labour will have to have an interim PM today to avoid all this.
    It’s far more likely the King will invite someone from Labour to form a government as they are likely to be able to command a majority.
    He can only call one from Labour and by precedent that would be Lammy. If that goverment falls then the King is bound by precedent to go to the Leader of the Opposition.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,439

    In other news, I see that Worcestershire's Reform leader has been suspended, and that the council is now going to be led by Alan Amos.

    Alan Amos.

    Possibly the single most execrable politician in Britain today.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Amos

    Having read that he seems like a pretty unpleasant person with some dodgy views… but “most execrable”… really?
  • JohnLilburneJohnLilburne Posts: 8,254

    America…

    AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine builders of massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water use

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/georgia-data-center-used-29-million-gallons-of-water

    So:

    - people complained about low water pressure
    - They were asked to stop watering their lawns as a temporary measure to save water
    - The county investigated and discovered the source of the problem
    - The offender was billed for the water that they used

    I’m not seeing what your issue is? It seems to be that you think they should have been fined in addition to being charged for the water?
    Er, prosecuted? Sounds like theft to me.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 34,523

    America…

    AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine builders of massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water use

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/georgia-data-center-used-29-million-gallons-of-water

    So:

    - people complained about low water pressure
    - They were asked to stop watering their lawns as a temporary measure to save water
    - The county investigated and discovered the source of the problem
    - The offender was billed for the water that they used

    I’m not seeing what your issue is? It seems to be that you think they should have been fined in addition to being charged for the water?
    Certainly in the UK they woukd have been fined for illegal water extraction. It happens to farmers regularly.

    But I don"t know what the US regulations are so it is entirely possible that being billed for the water they took is the limit of their liability.

    What I did find interesting was that this was for construction. The firm operating the data centre said that once built water usage would be very low as the place operates on a closed circulating system. Which does make sense.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132
    PMs tend to cling on as long as they can, for the history books and to get some “legacy” legislation passed.

    I don’t think if Starmer resigns now that he’ll want to go immediately.

    I think it’s far more likely he’ll say he won’t lead them into the next GE and he’ll stand aside in the autumn. Which then passes the baton back to Streeting et al to work out what the heck they do then - are they really going to trigger a contest now or risk Burnham?
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,439

    kle4 said:

    America…

    AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine builders of massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water use

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/georgia-data-center-used-29-million-gallons-of-water

    Is that a lot of water?
    We need to know how many Olympic-sized swimming pools that is.
    44
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,131

    RobD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    biggles said:

    If the PM goes two days before a King’s Speech, then what dot you do? You can’t have THAT speech because the new PM may not like it.

    Do you have an ultra short Parliament with stuff everyone sort of agrees with? Now to Sep to cover a leadership election then go again?

    But do you do that, then Labour are giving up another six months of nothing happening.

    Why not prorogue Parliament like Boris and Cummings did? :D
    I can see why this will be causing consternation in Downing Street and Buckingham Palace. It is astonishing that no-one is even mentioning the theory of what is / could happen. My guess is that precedent will be broken.

    Today, either Starmer kisses hands and some interim Labour person, I kid you not, Lammy goes to the palace and is PM by this evening

    OR None of this happens

    Tomorrow we have the State Opening of Parliament with the King reading the Speech prepared by the PM, Starmer or LAMMY !!!

    There is the vote on the King's Speech. Either it is supported or it is voted down. If Starmer is still PM the speech needs to be voted down by all genuine opposition and those MPs formerly on the government benches who oppose Starmer.

    If it is Lammy's Speech, heaven help us, it should PASS and Lammy is PM with the support of the HoC, No it isn't 1st April.

    If the Speech is VOTED DOWN then precedent is pretty clear, If the failing PM is Starmer then the King should call on Lammy to see if he can form a government. At that point it is the King's choice, not Labour's

    If it is already Lammy, and it ought to be but his speech is voted down, THEN the King must call on the Leader of His Majesty's Loyal Opposition to see if she can form an Administration.

    The Leader of the Opposition will attempt to form a minority administration. Because of the numbers she ought to include Reform MPs and LD MPs, maybe even Scot Nats. This government will presumably fall. But, not necessarily. Importantly Kemi IS PM. At this point Kemi informs the King she is unable to command a majority in the HoC and calls for a Dissolution with a GE presumably 1st week in July.

    But during the interim Kemi will be PM. You can see why Labour will have to have an interim PM today to avoid all this.
    It’s far more likely the King will invite someone from Labour to form a government as they are likely to be able to command a majority.
    He can only call one from Labour and by precedent that would be Lammy. If that goverment falls then the King is bound by precedent to go to the Leader of the Opposition.
    He can call however many he likes from Labour so long as he thinks they can command a majority.
  • BartholomewRobertsBartholomewRoberts Posts: 28,781
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    dixiedean said:

    13 minutes of Spursie time.

    One wonders why football doesn’t just implement a stopping clock, akin to rugby. * Hard to see where 13 minutes came from.

    *Except of course football hates learning from other sports, especially rugby.
    Because it is institutionally stupid.

    Hard not to disagree. Var could genuinely have been useful. About three times a season a terriblecwrong would be righted. But no, they couldn’t stop at the Lampard non goal and Maradonas punch and Henry’s handball.
    The new offside rule being trialed sounds a million times better than the 'your pinky finger was past the last man' approach they use now.
    Why? It'll just shift the argument to whether there was "daylight or no daylight?"

    Tonight Spurs were lucky to draw. Leeds will be top 10 next season.
    Yes.
    The advantage of the it was only his big toe is that it is at least objective fact.
    Cricket works well with umpires call. Eliminates much of the arguments.

    Just stick with on field decision unless clearly on, or clearly off.
    Yes but.
    Define clearly.
    Cricket works because it has a defined threshold for Umpires Call.
    That part is easy. Define a threshold for a clear error and operate on that. I would suggest a margin of half the width of a football, but other margins are available.

    If it lands within that margin, stick with the on field decision.

    If its outside, overturn it. Clear and obvious error.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,218
    rcs1000 said:

    I've thought of a new slogan for the Greens:

    If you want to feel a bigger tit, vote Polanski.

    His frequent flights of CV fancy have earned him the title Walter Titty apparently.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 61,131

    America…

    AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine builders of massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water use

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/georgia-data-center-used-29-million-gallons-of-water

    So:

    - people complained about low water pressure
    - They were asked to stop watering their lawns as a temporary measure to save water
    - The county investigated and discovered the source of the problem
    - The offender was billed for the water that they used

    I’m not seeing what your issue is? It seems to be that you think they should have been fined in addition to being charged for the water?
    Er, prosecuted? Sounds like theft to me.
    Why would they be prosecuted for a cock-up at the water company?

    However, the discrepancy between QTS’s stated and actual water usage remained undetected for months, with Politico reporting that the county’s water system director, Vanessa Tigert, attributed the oversight to a procedural error during the county's transition to a cloud-based metering system.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 63,925
    Good morning, everyone.

    Mildly surprised Starmer's still there given how things looked yesterday evening.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673
    So the PM’s not resigned yet?

    Oh to be a spy in Buckingham Palace this morning, at what machinations are going on behind the scenes to avoid dragging the King into a massive political mess.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,439

    America…

    AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine builders of massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water use

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/georgia-data-center-used-29-million-gallons-of-water

    So:

    - people complained about low water pressure
    - They were asked to stop watering their lawns as a temporary measure to save water
    - The county investigated and discovered the source of the problem
    - The offender was billed for the water that they used

    I’m not seeing what your issue is? It seems to be that you think they should have been fined in addition to being charged for the water?
    Er, prosecuted? Sounds like theft to me.
    Utility didn’t send them a bill. And when they did it was paid. Seems to have been a botched billing system migration
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,872
    edited May 12
    When I went to bed just under 20% of the Labour parliamentary party had said Starmer should go and 4 members of the Cabinet were suggesting likewise but had not resigned. Has that changed? Is there a chance that Starmer simply tells them to get lost? I think that we might just be getting ahead of ourselves here.

    Life would be much simpler if there was any kind of consensus in Labour about what happens next but there isn’t. It is far from clear that any specific candidate has 80 MPs let alone a majority.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,439

    America…

    AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine builders of massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water use

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/georgia-data-center-used-29-million-gallons-of-water

    So:

    - people complained about low water pressure
    - They were asked to stop watering their lawns as a temporary measure to save water
    - The county investigated and discovered the source of the problem
    - The offender was billed for the water that they used

    I’m not seeing what your issue is? It seems to be that you think they should have been fined in addition to being charged for the water?
    Certainly in the UK they woukd have been fined for illegal water extraction. It happens to farmers regularly.

    But I don"t know what the US regulations are so it is entirely possible that being billed for the water they took is the limit of their liability.

    What I did find interesting was that this was for construction. The firm operating the data centre said that once built water usage would be very low as the place operates on a closed circulating system. Which does make sense.
    Turns out that the utility made a mistake on their billing system and didn’t charge them
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132
    DavidL said:

    When I went to bed just under 20% of the Labour parliamentary party had said Starmer should go and 4 members of the Cabinet were suggesting likewise but had not resigned. Has that changed? Is there a chance that Starmer simply tells them to get lost? I think that we might just be getting ahead of ourselves here.

    I don’t think he has enough of a power base to cling on.

    The only reason others haven’t told him to go immediately is because they’re largely after Burnham and worry an immediate contest will preclude him.

  • TazTaz Posts: 28,080

    rcs1000 said:

    I've thought of a new slogan for the Greens:

    If you want to feel a bigger tit, vote Polanski.

    His frequent flights of CV fancy have earned him the title Walter Titty apparently.
    Yesterday was a good day to bury bad news for him

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy02wdzrg6jo
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,955
    edited May 12
    Clear evidence that Starmer is trying to hang on.

    https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1EmpUCfoAk/
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,989

    America…

    AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine builders of massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water use

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/georgia-data-center-used-29-million-gallons-of-water

    So:

    - people complained about low water pressure
    - They were asked to stop watering their lawns as a temporary measure to save water
    - The county investigated and discovered the source of the problem
    - The offender was billed for the water that they used

    I’m not seeing what your issue is? It seems to be that you think they should have been fined in addition to being charged for the water?
    Certainly in the UK they woukd have been fined for illegal water extraction. It happens to farmers regularly.

    But I don"t know what the US regulations are so it is entirely possible that being billed for the water they took is the limit of their liability.

    What I did find interesting was that this was for construction. The firm operating the data centre said that once built water usage would be very low as the place operates on a closed circulating system. Which does make sense.
    The water extraction wasn't illegal. They had a meter legally installed. The utility just forgot to read it, they were in the middle of switching from a manual system to an automated one and they wrongly assumed the meter in question was on the automated one. Then they realized their mistake and sent the company a bill, which the company paid.

    Someone then apparently got hold of a letter sent to them about this and jumped to a bunch of wrong conclusions, and a journalist wrote a deliberately misleading article for clicks because people are desperate to believe in this entirely fake issue.
  • ManchesterKurtManchesterKurt Posts: 1,003
    If you're Burnham, do you have either Mike Kane or Andrew Western hold a press conference this morning announcing they are resigning as MPs and support Burnham as there replacement?

    Surely the NEC wouldn't block him in these circumstances
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,872

    DavidL said:

    When I went to bed just under 20% of the Labour parliamentary party had said Starmer should go and 4 members of the Cabinet were suggesting likewise but had not resigned. Has that changed? Is there a chance that Starmer simply tells them to get lost? I think that we might just be getting ahead of ourselves here.

    I don’t think he has enough of a power base to cling on.

    The only reason others haven’t told him to go immediately is because they’re largely after Burnham and worry an immediate contest will preclude him.

    He can hang on if the majority would rather have him than a specific alternative. So, for example, if a majority would rather put up with Keir than have Streeting or Rayner or whoever he wins. And this might be where we are until Burnham arrives
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,673

    America…

    AI data center project secretly sucked 29 million gallons of water over 15 months before detected by residents complaining about low water pressure — officials refuse to fine builders of massive 6.2 million-square-foot facility over unauthorized water use

    https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/georgia-data-center-used-29-million-gallons-of-water

    So:

    - people complained about low water pressure
    - They were asked to stop watering their lawns as a temporary measure to save water
    - The county investigated and discovered the source of the problem
    - The offender was billed for the water that they used

    I’m not seeing what your issue is? It seems to be that you think they should have been fined in addition to being charged for the water?
    Certainly in the UK they woukd have been fined for illegal water extraction. It happens to farmers regularly.

    But I don"t know what the US regulations are so it is entirely possible that being billed for the water they took is the limit of their liability.

    What I did find interesting was that this was for construction. The firm operating the data centre said that once built water usage would be very low as the place operates on a closed circulating system. Which does make sense.
    The water extraction wasn't illegal. They had a meter legally installed. The utility just forgot to read it, they were in the middle of switching from a manual system to an automated one and they wrongly assumed the meter in question was on the automated one. Then they realized their mistake and sent the company a bill, which the company paid.

    Someone then apparently got hold of a letter sent to them about this and jumped to a bunch of wrong conclusions, and a journalist wrote a deliberately misleading article for clicks because people are desperate to believe in this entirely fake issue.
    It’s almost as if there’s a very well funded and organised campaign being put together to lobby against data centres in the US.
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