Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position
Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.
The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.
Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.
Can someone please remind me, why not Yvette Cooper? A woman, Scottish (technically) and a Balliol graduate, but no-one's perfect. If it's a coronation you're after, why not her?
We have obvious contenders. Front line agitators who want the crown and have made their intentions clear. But if they fall or are pushed away then maybe we are down to the 2nd division. I assume Ed Milliband is top of that table ahead of Yvette Cooper or Bridget Phillipson or whichever nobody is the depute leader these days.
Hey, how about a laugh where they do end up with Catherine West?
Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position
Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.
The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.
Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.
Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.
Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
I don't think she would run, aiui she still has pretty severe chronic fatigue syndrome/ME.
Can someone please remind me, why not Yvette Cooper? A woman, Scottish (technically) and a Balliol graduate, but no-one's perfect. If it's a coronation you're after, why not her?
(I see my question was being answered whilst I typed it!)
***BREAKING: Labour’s soft-left condemns Wes Streeting’s bid for No10 and vows to oust him from Downing Street if he becomes PM***
A senior soft-left source blasts Team Streeting for their public statements calling for a “swift” and “rapid” contest before Andy Burnham can get in.
The source says:
“If Wes thinks he can pull off some kind of stitch up to avoid a fair process that he will have no legitimacy even if he briefly ends up in office. There would be no support for the government in the Commons and we would challenge him at the first opportunity. He’d be lucky to outlast a lettuce.”
It means the Labour Party is in civil war tonight
Streeting appears to be trying to force a contest before Burnham is eligible
It is causing meltdown among soft-left and left MPs
Senior figures on the left of the party are threatening to oust Streeting from No10 if he succeeds in his bid to be PM
Sir Keir Starmer has been told by Shabana Mahmood and other senior Cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his depature from Number 10
The Times has been told that Mahmood, the home secretary, is one of at least three cabinet ministers to suggest that the prime minister needs to consider his position
Starmer will be told by ministers at Cabinet tomorrow that his position is increasingly "unsustainable" given the strength of feeling among Labour MPs
Wes Streeting is preparing to mount his bid for Number 10 after more than 70 Labour MPs publicly called for the prime minister to step down
Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position
Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.
The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.
Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.
Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.
Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
I don't think she would run, aiui she still has pretty severe chronic fatigue syndrome/ME.
Does she have that? I didn't know. That makes me sympathetic
I have to say (and this is not meant ungallantly) she has looked a little pale and unwell, and she's not performed as a minister. I thought it was just age or weariness, if she is actually sick, then that's a damn shame. She was good fun and a good sport when she was a PB-er
***BREAKING: Labour’s soft-left condemns Wes Streeting’s bid for No10 and vows to oust him from Downing Street if he becomes PM***
A senior soft-left source blasts Team Streeting for their public statements calling for a “swift” and “rapid” contest before Andy Burnham can get in.
The source says:
“If Wes thinks he can pull off some kind of stitch up to avoid a fair process that he will have no legitimacy even if he briefly ends up in office. There would be no support for the government in the Commons and we would challenge him at the first opportunity. He’d be lucky to outlast a lettuce.”
It means the Labour Party is in civil war tonight
Streeting appears to be trying to force a contest before Burnham is eligible
It is causing meltdown among soft-left and left MPs
Senior figures on the left of the party are threatening to oust Streeting from No10 if he succeeds in his bid to be PM
Wezzzzzzzzzzzzzz might be a "Liz Truss" stop gap PM....
***BREAKING: Labour’s soft-left condemns Wes Streeting’s bid for No10 and vows to oust him from Downing Street if he becomes PM***
A senior soft-left source blasts Team Streeting for their public statements calling for a “swift” and “rapid” contest before Andy Burnham can get in.
The source says:
“If Wes thinks he can pull off some kind of stitch up to avoid a fair process that he will have no legitimacy even if he briefly ends up in office. There would be no support for the government in the Commons and we would challenge him at the first opportunity. He’d be lucky to outlast a lettuce.”
It means the Labour Party is in civil war tonight
Streeting appears to be trying to force a contest before Burnham is eligible
It is causing meltdown among soft-left and left MPs
Senior figures on the left of the party are threatening to oust Streeting from No10 if he succeeds in his bid to be PM
Those gilt yields aren't gonna sky rocket by themselves.
Sir Keir Starmer has been told by Shabana Mahmood and other senior Cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his depature from Number 10
The Times has been told that Mahmood, the home secretary, is one of at least three cabinet ministers to suggest that the prime minister needs to consider his position
Starmer will be told by ministers at Cabinet tomorrow that his position is increasingly "unsustainable" given the strength of feeling among Labour MPs
Wes Streeting is preparing to mount his bid for Number 10 after more than 70 Labour MPs publicly called for the prime minister to step down
She'll never win but she might be the best candidate from the point of view of winning an election.
Of course, hardcore Progressives would probably hate her.
Sadly I can't see most of the Reform vote voting for a Muslim woman over Farage either
I don't think that matters.
Most voters don't care about identity politics.
Enough do in a tight fight. Unfortunately.
I've mentioned the Terry/Martin/Sathya thing we had in my ward last week. (Guess which one was about ten percent below the others?)
The same ward in 2022 (all the winners were Conservative); Joshua 1100 David 1000 Nisha 950
Equally unfortunately, I'm pretty sure it's a factor that holds Kemi back a bit. I wish it weren't so.
Indeed, I remember canvassing in Waltham Abbey in 2024 and being told 'I am not voting for you while you have that Paki as your leader' (Rishi was British Indian but there we go).
Sadly most of those voters are the type who have gone from traditional Labour to now voting Reform
Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position
Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.
The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.
Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.
Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.
Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
I don't think she would run, aiui she still has pretty severe chronic fatigue syndrome/ME.
Does she have that? I didn't know. That makes me sympathetic
I have to say (and this is not meant ungallantly) she has looked a little pale and unwell, and she's not performed as a minister. I thought it was just age or weariness, if she is actually sick, then that's a damn shame. She was good fun and a good sport when she was a PB-er
Again, not being ungallant, it says so much about the lack of quality in Labour that someone with such a difficult condition is Foreign Secretary.
We have obvious contenders. Front line agitators who want the crown and have made their intentions clear. But if they fall or are pushed away then maybe we are down to the 2nd division. I assume Ed Milliband is top of that table ahead of Yvette Cooper or Bridget Phillipson or whichever nobody is the depute leader these days.
Hey, how about a laugh where they do end up with Catherine West?
Why not Nandy? I like her and she would win me four hundred pounds so there's also that.
Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position
Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.
The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.
Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.
***BREAKING: Labour’s soft-left condemns Wes Streeting’s bid for No10 and vows to oust him from Downing Street if he becomes PM***
A senior soft-left source blasts Team Streeting for their public statements calling for a “swift” and “rapid” contest before Andy Burnham can get in.
The source says:
“If Wes thinks he can pull off some kind of stitch up to avoid a fair process that he will have no legitimacy even if he briefly ends up in office. There would be no support for the government in the Commons and we would challenge him at the first opportunity. He’d be lucky to outlast a lettuce.”
It means the Labour Party is in civil war tonight
Streeting appears to be trying to force a contest before Burnham is eligible
It is causing meltdown among soft-left and left MPs
Senior figures on the left of the party are threatening to oust Streeting from No10 if he succeeds in his bid to be PM
I posted that last nght.
Yes.They are telling Wes Streeting if you win a contest without Burnham then there will be another contest if and when Burnham becomes an MP.
***BREAKING: Labour’s soft-left condemns Wes Streeting’s bid for No10 and vows to oust him from Downing Street if he becomes PM***
A senior soft-left source blasts Team Streeting for their public statements calling for a “swift” and “rapid” contest before Andy Burnham can get in.
The source says:
“If Wes thinks he can pull off some kind of stitch up to avoid a fair process that he will have no legitimacy even if he briefly ends up in office. There would be no support for the government in the Commons and we would challenge him at the first opportunity. He’d be lucky to outlast a lettuce.”
It means the Labour Party is in civil war tonight
Streeting appears to be trying to force a contest before Burnham is eligible
It is causing meltdown among soft-left and left MPs
Senior figures on the left of the party are threatening to oust Streeting from No10 if he succeeds in his bid to be PM
Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position
Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.
The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.
Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.
Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.
Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
I don't think she would run, aiui she still has pretty severe chronic fatigue syndrome/ME.
Does she have that? I didn't know. That makes me sympathetic
I have to say (and this is not meant ungallantly) she has looked a little pale and unwell, and she's not performed as a minister. I thought it was just age or weariness, if she is actually sick, then that's a damn shame. She was good fun and a good sport when she was a PB-er
Again, not being ungallant, it says so much about the lack of quality in Labour that someone with such a difficult condition is Foreign Secretary.
Good point. Actually quite shocking, when you think about it
Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position
Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.
The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.
Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.
Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.
Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
I don't think she would run, aiui she still has pretty severe chronic fatigue syndrome/ME.
Does she have that? I didn't know. That makes me sympathetic
I have to say (and this is not meant ungallantly) she has looked a little pale and unwell, and she's not performed as a minister. I thought it was just age or weariness, if she is actually sick, then that's a damn shame. She was good fun and a good sport when she was a PB-er
Again, not being ungallant, it says so much about the lack of quality in Labour that someone with such a difficult condition is Foreign Secretary.
Good point. Actually quite shocking, when you think about it
Cooper is nonetheless a heavyweight even despite her condition, which is more than can be said for most of her Cabinet colleagues
Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position
Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.
The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.
Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.
Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position
Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.
The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.
Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.
Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position
Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.
The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.
Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.
What's so funny about this is that SKS has only been Prime Minister for (check notes) 22 months.
And that's after a landslide victory to rival Blair's biggest wins.
I hope we never hear about the "Ming Vase" strategy ever again after this. It's been shown to be utter nonsense.
The Ming Vase strategy was never used by Blair. It was Roy Jenkins, a member of an opposition Party who coined it after the campaign. In actuality Blair had a programme for government. An extremely carefully calibrated and effective one not to scare off swing voters. Starmer's Ming Vase was to have no plan of any kind to not scare anyone at all.
The entitlement on display by the Burnham cohort is sickening. It’s not Buggin’s turn. I hope he does persuade someone to stand down I hope he gets the nod by the NEC to stand I hope he loses the by-election
Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position
Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.
The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.
Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.
Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.
Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
I don't think she would run, aiui she still has pretty severe chronic fatigue syndrome/ME.
Does she have that? I didn't know. That makes me sympathetic
I have to say (and this is not meant ungallantly) she has looked a little pale and unwell, and she's not performed as a minister. I thought it was just age or weariness, if she is actually sick, then that's a damn shame. She was good fun and a good sport when she was a PB-er
Again, not being ungallant, it says so much about the lack of quality in Labour that someone with such a difficult condition is Foreign Secretary.
It says much about Starmer's judgement that she replaced David Lammy who was doing quite well.
Playing musical chairs with cabinet posts in a new government is never a good sign.
***BREAKING: Labour’s soft-left condemns Wes Streeting’s bid for No10 and vows to oust him from Downing Street if he becomes PM***
A senior soft-left source blasts Team Streeting for their public statements calling for a “swift” and “rapid” contest before Andy Burnham can get in.
The source says:
“If Wes thinks he can pull off some kind of stitch up to avoid a fair process that he will have no legitimacy even if he briefly ends up in office. There would be no support for the government in the Commons and we would challenge him at the first opportunity. He’d be lucky to outlast a lettuce.”
It means the Labour Party is in civil war tonight
Streeting appears to be trying to force a contest before Burnham is eligible
It is causing meltdown among soft-left and left MPs
Senior figures on the left of the party are threatening to oust Streeting from No10 if he succeeds in his bid to be PM
Wezzzzzzzzzzzzzz might be a "Liz Truss" stop gap PM....
The problem is if the party right still control the NEC then they can keep blocking burnham
***BREAKING: Labour’s soft-left condemns Wes Streeting’s bid for No10 and vows to oust him from Downing Street if he becomes PM***
A senior soft-left source blasts Team Streeting for their public statements calling for a “swift” and “rapid” contest before Andy Burnham can get in.
The source says:
“If Wes thinks he can pull off some kind of stitch up to avoid a fair process that he will have no legitimacy even if he briefly ends up in office. There would be no support for the government in the Commons and we would challenge him at the first opportunity. He’d be lucky to outlast a lettuce.”
It means the Labour Party is in civil war tonight
Streeting appears to be trying to force a contest before Burnham is eligible
It is causing meltdown among soft-left and left MPs
Senior figures on the left of the party are threatening to oust Streeting from No10 if he succeeds in his bid to be PM
Wezzzzzzzzzzzzzz might be a "Liz Truss" stop gap PM....
I fucking called that very early on over on Emergency Podcast. Last year.
We have obvious contenders. Front line agitators who want the crown and have made their intentions clear. But if they fall or are pushed away then maybe we are down to the 2nd division. I assume Ed Milliband is top of that table ahead of Yvette Cooper or Bridget Phillipson or whichever nobody is the depute leader these days.
Hey, how about a laugh where they do end up with Catherine West?
I've always thought they'd end up choosing Ed Miliband.... 💪
It may be messy but at least this country manages to get rid of prime ministers who have passed their sell by date.
Whereas the USA produced the Biden and Trump disasters.
Presidents are more difficult to remove than mere PMs as US Presidents are directly elected by the voters via the EC for 4 years not reliant on support from the majority of the legislature like PMs
We have obvious contenders. Front line agitators who want the crown and have made their intentions clear. But if they fall or are pushed away then maybe we are down to the 2nd division. I assume Ed Milliband is top of that table ahead of Yvette Cooper or Bridget Phillipson or whichever nobody is the depute leader these days.
Hey, how about a laugh where they do end up with Catherine West?
I've always thought they'd end up choosing Ed Miliband.... 💪
Voters will look at Labour with utter contempt if they anoint as PM a man they completely rejected at the 2015 general election without a vote. At least Starmer actually won a general election for all his faults.
It would be like the Tories having picked William Hague to replace May not Boris
We have obvious contenders. Front line agitators who want the crown and have made their intentions clear. But if they fall or are pushed away then maybe we are down to the 2nd division. I assume Ed Milliband is top of that table ahead of Yvette Cooper or Bridget Phillipson or whichever nobody is the depute leader these days.
Hey, how about a laugh where they do end up with Catherine West?
I've always thought they'd end up choosing Ed Miliband.... 💪
Voters will look at Labour with utter contempt if they anoint as PM a man they completely rejected at the 2015 general election without a vote. At least Starmer actually won a general election for all his faults.
It would be like the Tories having picked William Hague to replace May not Boris
Well quite... Doesn't mean it won't happen though...
It may be messy but at least this country manages to get rid of prime ministers who have passed their sell by date.
Whereas the USA produced the Biden and Trump disasters.
Presidents are more difficult to remove than mere PMs as US Presidents are directly elected by the voters via the EC for 4 years not reliant on support from the majority of the legislature like PMs
The entire Dem party supported Biden running a second time.
The entire GOP supported Trump running a second time.
Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position
Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.
The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.
Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.
Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.
Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
I don't think she would run, aiui she still has pretty severe chronic fatigue syndrome/ME.
Does she have that? I didn't know. That makes me sympathetic
I have to say (and this is not meant ungallantly) she has looked a little pale and unwell, and she's not performed as a minister. I thought it was just age or weariness, if she is actually sick, then that's a damn shame. She was good fun and a good sport when she was a PB-er
Again, not being ungallant, it says so much about the lack of quality in Labour that someone with such a difficult condition is Foreign Secretary.
Good point. Actually quite shocking, when you think about it
Cooper is nonetheless a heavyweight even despite her condition, which is more than can be said for most of her Cabinet colleagues
Starmer surely toast? I'd be amazed if he sees our the year now.
I'm very glad I closed our my betting position stating the opposite for a small profit after the Mandelson saga blew up a month or so ago. He's simply lost all sense of authority within the party at this point.
Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.
He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.
One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
It may be messy but at least this country manages to get rid of prime ministers who have passed their sell by date.
Whereas the USA produced the Biden and Trump disasters.
Presidents are more difficult to remove than mere PMs as US Presidents are directly elected by the voters via the EC for 4 years not reliant on support from the majority of the legislature like PMs
The entire Dem party supported Biden running a second time.
The entire GOP supported Trump running a second time.
Neither was fit to do so.
First is not strictly true. A Dem did try and primary him - Dean Philips
Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position
Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.
The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.
Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.
Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.
Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
I don't think she would run, aiui she still has pretty severe chronic fatigue syndrome/ME.
Does she have that? I didn't know. That makes me sympathetic
I have to say (and this is not meant ungallantly) she has looked a little pale and unwell, and she's not performed as a minister. I thought it was just age or weariness, if she is actually sick, then that's a damn shame. She was good fun and a good sport when she was a PB-er
Again, not being ungallant, it says so much about the lack of quality in Labour that someone with such a difficult condition is Foreign Secretary.
Good point. Actually quite shocking, when you think about it
Cooper is nonetheless a heavyweight even despite her condition, which is more than can be said for most of her Cabinet colleagues
Cooper had ME when she was in her mid twenties.
Long, long time ago.
Cooper is a relatively safe pair of hands. As many have noted she's been around a long time without achieving much. I don't sense that's what we need right now. She's another May.
***BREAKING: Labour’s soft-left condemns Wes Streeting’s bid for No10 and vows to oust him from Downing Street if he becomes PM***
A senior soft-left source blasts Team Streeting for their public statements calling for a “swift” and “rapid” contest before Andy Burnham can get in.
The source says:
“If Wes thinks he can pull off some kind of stitch up to avoid a fair process that he will have no legitimacy even if he briefly ends up in office. There would be no support for the government in the Commons and we would challenge him at the first opportunity. He’d be lucky to outlast a lettuce.”
It means the Labour Party is in civil war tonight
Streeting appears to be trying to force a contest before Burnham is eligible
It is causing meltdown among soft-left and left MPs
Senior figures on the left of the party are threatening to oust Streeting from No10 if he succeeds in his bid to be PM
Wezzzzzzzzzzzzzz might be a "Liz Truss" stop gap PM....
Feels rather like history repeating itself, this time as farce. Which I suppose is fitting for the Labour version.
Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.
He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.
One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position
Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.
The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.
Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.
Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.
Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
I don't think she would run, aiui she still has pretty severe chronic fatigue syndrome/ME.
Does she have that? I didn't know. That makes me sympathetic
I have to say (and this is not meant ungallantly) she has looked a little pale and unwell, and she's not performed as a minister. I thought it was just age or weariness, if she is actually sick, then that's a damn shame. She was good fun and a good sport when she was a PB-er
Again, not being ungallant, it says so much about the lack of quality in Labour that someone with such a difficult condition is Foreign Secretary.
Good point. Actually quite shocking, when you think about it
Cooper is nonetheless a heavyweight even despite her condition, which is more than can be said for most of her Cabinet colleagues
Cooper had ME when she was in her mid twenties.
Long, long time ago.
Cooper is a relatively safe pair of hands. As many have noted she's been around a long time without achieving much. I don't sense that's what we need right now. She's another May.
May did last 3 years as PM, negotiated a Brexit deal and won most seats at a general election. Labour could do worse now than a May
Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.
He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.
One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
He could do a Boris and kick out the left after he wins.
Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.
I don't think Wes Streeting is likely to attract back the voters that have departed the Labour fold. Neither the aging St Helen's demographic, nor the Greenish ex-Fabians. Let alone the actual left.
It may be messy but at least this country manages to get rid of prime ministers who have passed their sell by date.
Whereas the USA produced the Biden and Trump disasters.
Presidents are more difficult to remove than mere PMs as US Presidents are directly elected by the voters via the EC for 4 years not reliant on support from the majority of the legislature like PMs
The entire Dem party supported Biden running a second time.
The entire GOP supported Trump running a second time.
Neither was fit to do so.
Haley campaigned against Trump in the GOP primaries but Trump won Republican voters support to be their candidate, that is democracy.
Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.
He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.
One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
It's just rather unsporting of the country that it's clearly to the right of where the government is now, never mind where it might end up if the Labour left get hold of it.
I can only assume that they all really, really want PM Farage. Otherwise they'd be picking Mahmood, as she's about the only one who seems to understand roughly where the country is at.
Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.
He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.
One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
It's just rather unsporting of the country that it's clearly to the right of where the government is now, never mind where it might end up if the Labour left get hold of it.
I can only assume that they all really, really want PM Farage. Otherwise they'd be picking Mahmood, as she's about the only one who seems to understand roughly where the country is at.
Okay but Streeting actually ran a pretty good local campaign and did quite well last week. So he’s got something.
More stories of Israeli butchery in Lebanon. This time a 12 year old girl and her father on his motor scooter . He was killed and she's seriously injured. They shot at her as she tried to escape. Another 80 Lebanese killed in 24 hours. Maybe Sir Keir might have an opinion anout marchers following Israeli flags in London
Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.
He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.
One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
Is it clear that Labour is going left? The membership has basically halved in the last few years and if the membership is anything like the voters at large it's the left half that's left.
What's so funny about this is that SKS has only been Prime Minister for (check notes) 22 months.
And that's after a landslide victory to rival Blair's biggest wins.
I hope we never hear about the "Ming Vase" strategy ever again after this. It's been shown to be utter nonsense.
The Ming Vase strategy was never used by Blair. It was Roy Jenkins, a member of an opposition Party who coined it after the campaign. In actuality Blair had a programme for government. An extremely carefully calibrated and effective one not to scare off swing voters. Starmer's Ming Vase was to have no plan of any kind to not scare anyone at all.
And that is where he made his bloomer - the idea is to *declare* no plan, not to *have* no plan.
Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.
He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.
One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
Is it clear that Labour is going left? The membership has basically halved in the last few years and if the membership is anything like the voters at large it's the left half that's left.
Yeah the people that are left are people like me that were once fans of Keir Starmer.
Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position
Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.
The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.
Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.
Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.
Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
That would be sensible. The evidence of the last couple of days is that the Labour Party have decided to give up on being sensible.
I suppose that whilst our government is consumed by all this drama, the world is still going to hell in a handcart all over the place.
More stories of Israeli butchery in Lebanon. This time a 12 year old girl and her father on his motor scooter . He was killed and she's seriously injured. They shot at her as she tried to escape. Another 80 Lebanese killed in 24 hours. Maybe Sir Keir might have an opinion anout marchers following Israeli flags in London
What's so funny about this is that SKS has only been Prime Minister for (check notes) 22 months.
And that's after a landslide victory to rival Blair's biggest wins.
I hope we never hear about the "Ming Vase" strategy ever again after this. It's been shown to be utter nonsense.
The Ming Vase strategy was never used by Blair. It was Roy Jenkins, a member of an opposition Party who coined it after the campaign. In actuality Blair had a programme for government. An extremely carefully calibrated and effective one not to scare off swing voters. Starmer's Ming Vase was to have no plan of any kind to not scare anyone at all.
And that is where he made his bloomer - the idea is to *declare* no plan, not to *have* no plan.
From what I’ve understood, he accepted he had no plan or ideas and so sub-contracted it to Sue Gray, who produced nothing.
Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.
He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.
One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
Is it clear that Labour is going left? The membership has basically halved in the last few years and if the membership is anything like the voters at large it's the left half that's left.
Well trying to chase the Reform voter has led to 1500 fewer councillors. And 500 more Greens. It's not an unreasonable assumption of direction.
Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.
He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.
One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
Is it clear that Labour is going left? The membership has basically halved in the last few years and if the membership is anything like the voters at large it's the left half that's left.
Yeah the people that are left are people like me that were once fans of Keir Starmer.
You're not very loyal, you backed both Jez and Keir, then went all Peter on them, denying them three times before the cock crows.
Me, as my friends have observed, I was more loyal to David Cameron than I was to my wife.
Oh we must wait for Andy for only he can save Labour. It gets my back up.
As Dickie Attenborough says in Jurassic Park ‘I don’t blame people for their mistakes, but I do expect them to pay for them’. Burnham is paying for not getting back to parliament in 2024. He may never get back. Is there a safe seat anywhere?
Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.
He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.
One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
It's just rather unsporting of the country that it's clearly to the right of where the government is now, never mind where it might end up if the Labour left get hold of it.
I can only assume that they all really, really want PM Farage. Otherwise they'd be picking Mahmood, as she's about the only one who seems to understand roughly where the country is at.
Labour are doing what they always do in times of trouble and strife (1970s and early 80s and again in the 2010s) retreating into their left wing comfort zone... It always ends the same way as well...
Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.
He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.
One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
Is it clear that Labour is going left? The membership has basically halved in the last few years and if the membership is anything like the voters at large it's the left half that's left.
I realized that last part was ambiguous. To clarify, the left has left, the right is left.
Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.
He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.
One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
Is it clear that Labour is going left? The membership has basically halved in the last few years and if the membership is anything like the voters at large it's the left half that's left.
Yeah the people that are left are people like me that were once fans of Keir Starmer.
You're not very loyal, you backed both Jez and Keir, then went all Peter on them, denying them three times before the cock crows.
Me, as my friends have observed, I was more loyal to David Cameron than I was to my wife.
"Power without principle is barren, but principle without power is futile”.
Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.
He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.
One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
Is it clear that Labour is going left? The membership has basically halved in the last few years and if the membership is anything like the voters at large it's the left half that's left.
I realized that last part was ambiguous. To clarify, the left has left, the right is left.
I thought the only people left are councillors, people who wish to be councillors, lots of people who wish they were still councillors, assorted spads and agents, and people whose grandparents were friends of Ramsay Mac and would otherwise have nothing else to do on the weekends.
Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.
He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.
One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
He could do a Boris and kick out the left after he wins.
That’s exactly what he would do. The idea that they’ll still be around to cause trouble if he gets the job is for the birds; they’re more likely to find themselves camped in the Midlands digging a canal to Norfolk with a spade.
Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position
Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.
The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.
Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.
Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.
Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
That would be sensible. The evidence of the last couple of days is that the Labour Party have decided to give up on being sensible.
I suppose that whilst our government is consumed by all this drama, the world is still going to hell in a handcart all over the place.
Probably. And assuming that Hormuz is still closed, it'll have to be a handcart soon.
Maybe Farage's prediction of a 2027 General Election will turn out to be accurate. It could all fall apart for Labour if they get this wrong.
It won't, Turkey Labour MPs won't vote to get eaten by Farage before 2029 at least or they have a new leader with a big poll lead
Labour MPs don't have to vote for anything though? All that has to happen is the PM decides we're having an election and... we're having an election.
Remember, most Tory MPs didn't want an election in July 2024. They wanted to wait until October or November. It was pretty much Rishi alone that decided to go in July '24 and nobody could stop him as it's the one power and decision that is purely that of the Prime Minister....
Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.
He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.
One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
Is it clear that Labour is going left? The membership has basically halved in the last few years and if the membership is anything like the voters at large it's the left half that's left.
I realized that last part was ambiguous. To clarify, the left has left, the right is left.
As the Tom Robinson band said a long time ago
You better decide which side you're on This ship goes down before too long If Left is right then Right is Wrong You better decide which side you're on
Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position
Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.
The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.
Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.
Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.
Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
That would be sensible. The evidence of the last couple of days is that the Labour Party have decided to give up on being sensible.
I suppose that whilst our government is consumed by all this drama, the world is still going to hell in a handcart all over the place.
Yes talk about bad timing . It’s as if the Iran War has disappeared and the UK isn’t going to get battered economically !
Catherine West even with her disorganised attempt to remove Starmer is likely now to have caused a situation that could unravel to the extent that we end up with Ed Miliband !
Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.
He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.
One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
Is it clear that Labour is going left? The membership has basically halved in the last few years and if the membership is anything like the voters at large it's the left half that's left.
Yeah the people that are left are people like me that were once fans of Keir Starmer.
I thoght you were a fan of Badenoch? Or was that just a psycho drama of the type so beloved by Big_G?
More stories of Israeli butchery in Lebanon. This time a 12 year old girl and her father on his motor scooter . He was killed and she's seriously injured. They shot at her as she tried to escape. Another 80 Lebanese killed in 24 hours. Maybe Sir Keir might have an opinion anout marchers following Israeli flags in London
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Privileged background, been around for ever without achieving anything.
Hey, how about a laugh where they do end up with Catherine West?
***BREAKING: Labour’s soft-left condemns Wes Streeting’s bid for No10 and vows to oust him from Downing Street if he becomes PM***
A senior soft-left source blasts Team Streeting for their public statements calling for a “swift” and “rapid” contest before Andy Burnham can get in.
The source says:
“If Wes thinks he can pull off some kind of stitch up to avoid a fair process that he will have no legitimacy even if he briefly ends up in office. There would be no support for the government in the Commons and we would challenge him at the first opportunity. He’d be lucky to outlast a lettuce.”
It means the Labour Party is in civil war tonight
Streeting appears to be trying to force a contest before Burnham is eligible
It is causing meltdown among soft-left and left MPs
Senior figures on the left of the party are threatening to oust Streeting from No10 if he succeeds in his bid to be PM
I've mentioned the Terry/Martin/Sathya thing we had in my ward last week. (Guess which one was about ten percent below the others?)
The same ward in 2022 (all the winners were Conservative);
Joshua 1100
David 1000
Nisha 950
Equally unfortunately, I'm pretty sure it's a factor that holds Kemi back a bit. I wish it weren't so.
I have to say (and this is not meant ungallantly) she has looked a little pale and unwell, and she's not performed as a minister. I thought it was just age or weariness, if she is actually sick, then that's a damn shame. She was good fun and a good sport when she was a PB-er
Sadly most of those voters are the type who have gone from traditional Labour to now voting Reform
Yes.They are telling Wes Streeting if you win a contest without Burnham then there will be another contest if and when Burnham becomes an MP.
https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5541379/#Comment_5541379
Was a reply to this post by me
So I've been told that a Labour MP is going to stand down for Burnham within the next 48 hours.
If Starmer blocks him for standing more than 81 MPs will trigger a leadership contest.
That noise you can hear is me making a reverse ferret on my betting positions.
Right now overall I'm green even if Burnham wins but I want to make big profits.
However Streeting might pull the plug on Starmer this week.
Decisions decisions.
https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5541364/#Comment_5541364
Multi-cultural out reach, commitment to the environment. Probably built more houses than the current government…
Chas would probably get more votes than Starmer. In the Labour Party Parliamentary Party…
You're a queer cove..
It was Roy Jenkins, a member of an opposition Party who coined it after the campaign.
In actuality Blair had a programme for government. An extremely carefully calibrated and effective one not to scare off swing voters.
Starmer's Ming Vase was to have no plan of any kind to not scare anyone at all.
I hope he does persuade someone to stand down
I hope he gets the nod by the NEC to stand
I hope he loses the by-election
Heck, Starmer could even call one tomorrow.
Playing musical chairs with cabinet posts in a new government is never a good sign.
Streeting appears to be the favoured candidate of folk who wouldn't vote Labour.
He's also continuity Starmer.
That isn't a viable option.
"Just been told 4 Senior Cabinet Ministers have tonight gone into Downing Street to tell Keir Starmer it's time to go."
Whereas the USA produced the Biden and Trump disasters.
Starmer has proved decisively he is not a Brownite. He’s a nothing.
Damned cheek of it. If they want to tell Starmer to go, they can do the honest thing and resign. If they're right, it barely matters.
It would be like the Tories having picked William Hague to replace May not Boris
#PunnersForStreeting
The entire GOP supported Trump running a second time.
Neither was fit to do so.
Long, long time ago.
I'm very glad I closed our my betting position stating the opposite for a small profit after the Mandelson saga blew up a month or so ago. He's simply lost all sense of authority within the party at this point.
One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
I don't sense that's what we need right now. She's another May.
Oh we must wait for Andy for only he can save Labour. It gets my back up.
Biden at least beat Trump once unlike Harris
I can only assume that they all really, really want PM Farage. Otherwise they'd be picking Mahmood, as she's about the only one who seems to understand roughly where the country is at.
Burnham could publicly say right now he wants Starmer out. But he isn’t. Why!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQhijX4lYFY
It's not an unreasonable assumption of direction.
Me, as my friends have observed, I was more loyal to David Cameron than I was to my wife.
EU agreed to sanction Israeli settlers
Trump threatens Iran, although no sign he won’t just TACO again
Filipino Vice President impeached (again)
Office of the High Representative In Bosnia resigns
- Tony Blair
Remember, most Tory MPs didn't want an election in July 2024. They wanted to wait until October or November. It was pretty much Rishi alone that decided to go in July '24 and nobody could stop him as it's the one power and decision that is purely that of the Prime Minister....
You better decide which side you're on
This ship goes down before too long
If Left is right then Right is Wrong
You better decide which side you're on
*Except of course football hates learning from other sports, especially rugby.
Catherine West even with her disorganised attempt to remove Starmer is likely now to have caused a situation that could unravel to the extent that we end up with Ed Miliband !