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  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,501
    edited May 11
    algarkirk said:

    Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position

    Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.

    The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.

    Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-speech-latest-news-resign-live-gkz7n9wpj

    Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
    Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.

    Yvette Cooper is the equivalent of Douglas Turd.

    Privileged background, been around for ever without achieving anything.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,826

    HYUFD has been extremely poor on Labour.

    He has. His antennae are wobbling

    He's letting wish become father to thought. Sir James Cleverly will be Tory leader. Starmer will stay on. It's all a hankering for the past
    He might be proven right yet.

    It entirely possible a new PM gets a bounce (they usually do, heck even Gordon Brown and Liz Truss did) and that sees the Tories fifth in the polls.

    Coupled with last poor results Tory MPs might get itchy fingers.
    I think Badenoch gets until next years English Locals. If she cannot hold the Shires she is burnt toast.
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 649
    Can someone please remind me, why not Yvette Cooper? A woman, Scottish (technically) and a Balliol graduate, but no-one's perfect. If it's a coronation you're after, why not her?
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,331
    We have obvious contenders. Front line agitators who want the crown and have made their intentions clear. But if they fall or are pushed away then maybe we are down to the 2nd division. I assume Ed Milliband is top of that table ahead of Yvette Cooper or Bridget Phillipson or whichever nobody is the depute leader these days.

    Hey, how about a laugh where they do end up with Catherine West?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,561

    It cannot seriously be Ed.

    It would be great craic to be fair. EICIPM
    I want good government, not craic.
    Do PBers not want me to have a 100/1 winner?
    Only if you promise to then change your username to Chaos with Ed Miliband.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,579
    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position

    Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.

    The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.

    Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-speech-latest-news-resign-live-gkz7n9wpj

    Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
    Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.

    Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
    I don't think she would run, aiui she still has pretty severe chronic fatigue syndrome/ME.
  • HYUFD has been extremely poor on Labour.

    He has. His antennae are wobbling

    He's letting wish become father to thought. Sir James Cleverly will be Tory leader. Starmer will stay on. It's all a hankering for the past
    He might be proven right yet.

    It entirely possible a new PM gets a bounce (they usually do, heck even Gordon Brown and Liz Truss did) and that sees the Tories fifth in the polls.

    Coupled with last week's poor results Tory MPs might get itchy fingers.
    Even if they do I'd be amazed if they choose Cleverly
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,826
    RobD said:

    It cannot seriously be Ed.

    It would be great craic to be fair. EICIPM
    I want good government, not craic.
    Do PBers not want me to have a 100/1 winner?
    Not sure I’m ready for chaos with Ed Miliband.
    A Miliband premiership will be an island of calm surrounded by storms.
  • AugustusCarp2AugustusCarp2 Posts: 649

    Can someone please remind me, why not Yvette Cooper? A woman, Scottish (technically) and a Balliol graduate, but no-one's perfect. If it's a coronation you're after, why not her?

    (I see my question was being answered whilst I typed it!)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    edited May 11
    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2053932574175597018

    ***BREAKING: Labour’s soft-left condemns Wes Streeting’s bid for No10 and vows to oust him from Downing Street if he becomes PM***

    A senior soft-left source blasts Team Streeting for their public statements calling for a “swift” and “rapid” contest before Andy Burnham can get in.

    The source says:

    “If Wes thinks he can pull off some kind of stitch up to avoid a fair process that he will have no legitimacy even if he briefly ends up in office. There would be no support for the government in the Commons and we would challenge him at the first opportunity. He’d be lucky to outlast a lettuce.

    It means the Labour Party is in civil war tonight

    Streeting appears to be trying to force a contest before Burnham is eligible

    It is causing meltdown among soft-left and left MPs

    Senior figures on the left of the party are threatening to oust Streeting from No10 if he succeeds in his bid to be PM
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,858

    HYUFD said:

    Just stuck this tweet in the header.

    EXCLUSIVE:

    Sir Keir Starmer has been told by Shabana Mahmood and other senior Cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his depature from Number 10

    The Times has been told that Mahmood, the home secretary, is one of at least three cabinet ministers to suggest that the prime minister needs to consider his position

    Starmer will be told by ministers at Cabinet tomorrow that his position is increasingly "unsustainable" given the strength of feeling among Labour MPs

    Wes Streeting is preparing to mount his bid for Number 10 after more than 70 Labour MPs publicly called for the prime minister to step down


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2053927095349194841

    She'll never win but she might be the best candidate from the point of view of winning an election.

    Of course, hardcore Progressives would probably hate her.
    Sadly I can't see most of the Reform vote voting for a Muslim woman over Farage either
    I don't think that matters.

    Most voters don't care about identity politics.
    Enough do in a tight fight. Unfortunately.

    I've mentioned the Terry/Martin/Sathya thing we had in my ward last week. (Guess which one was about ten percent below the others?)

    The same ward in 2022 (all the winners were Conservative);
    Joshua 1100
    David 1000
    Nisha 950

    Equally unfortunately, I'm pretty sure it's a factor that holds Kemi back a bit. I wish it weren't so.
  • MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position

    Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.

    The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.

    Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-speech-latest-news-resign-live-gkz7n9wpj

    Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
    Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.

    Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
    I don't think she would run, aiui she still has pretty severe chronic fatigue syndrome/ME.
    Does she have that? I didn't know. That makes me sympathetic

    I have to say (and this is not meant ungallantly) she has looked a little pale and unwell, and she's not performed as a minister. I thought it was just age or weariness, if she is actually sick, then that's a damn shame. She was good fun and a good sport when she was a PB-er
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,257

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2053932574175597018

    ***BREAKING: Labour’s soft-left condemns Wes Streeting’s bid for No10 and vows to oust him from Downing Street if he becomes PM***

    A senior soft-left source blasts Team Streeting for their public statements calling for a “swift” and “rapid” contest before Andy Burnham can get in.

    The source says:

    “If Wes thinks he can pull off some kind of stitch up to avoid a fair process that he will have no legitimacy even if he briefly ends up in office. There would be no support for the government in the Commons and we would challenge him at the first opportunity. He’d be lucky to outlast a lettuce.

    It means the Labour Party is in civil war tonight

    Streeting appears to be trying to force a contest before Burnham is eligible

    It is causing meltdown among soft-left and left MPs

    Senior figures on the left of the party are threatening to oust Streeting from No10 if he succeeds in his bid to be PM

    Wezzzzzzzzzzzzzz might be a "Liz Truss" stop gap PM....
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2053932574175597018

    ***BREAKING: Labour’s soft-left condemns Wes Streeting’s bid for No10 and vows to oust him from Downing Street if he becomes PM***

    A senior soft-left source blasts Team Streeting for their public statements calling for a “swift” and “rapid” contest before Andy Burnham can get in.

    The source says:

    “If Wes thinks he can pull off some kind of stitch up to avoid a fair process that he will have no legitimacy even if he briefly ends up in office. There would be no support for the government in the Commons and we would challenge him at the first opportunity. He’d be lucky to outlast a lettuce.

    It means the Labour Party is in civil war tonight

    Streeting appears to be trying to force a contest before Burnham is eligible

    It is causing meltdown among soft-left and left MPs

    Senior figures on the left of the party are threatening to oust Streeting from No10 if he succeeds in his bid to be PM

    Those gilt yields aren't gonna sky rocket by themselves.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842
    edited May 11

    HYUFD said:

    Just stuck this tweet in the header.

    EXCLUSIVE:

    Sir Keir Starmer has been told by Shabana Mahmood and other senior Cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his depature from Number 10

    The Times has been told that Mahmood, the home secretary, is one of at least three cabinet ministers to suggest that the prime minister needs to consider his position

    Starmer will be told by ministers at Cabinet tomorrow that his position is increasingly "unsustainable" given the strength of feeling among Labour MPs

    Wes Streeting is preparing to mount his bid for Number 10 after more than 70 Labour MPs publicly called for the prime minister to step down


    https://x.com/Steven_Swinford/status/2053927095349194841

    She'll never win but she might be the best candidate from the point of view of winning an election.

    Of course, hardcore Progressives would probably hate her.
    Sadly I can't see most of the Reform vote voting for a Muslim woman over Farage either
    I don't think that matters.

    Most voters don't care about identity politics.
    Enough do in a tight fight. Unfortunately.

    I've mentioned the Terry/Martin/Sathya thing we had in my ward last week. (Guess which one was about ten percent below the others?)

    The same ward in 2022 (all the winners were Conservative);
    Joshua 1100
    David 1000
    Nisha 950

    Equally unfortunately, I'm pretty sure it's a factor that holds Kemi back a bit. I wish it weren't so.
    Indeed, I remember canvassing in Waltham Abbey in 2024 and being told 'I am not voting for you while you have that Paki as your leader' (Rishi was British Indian but there we go).

    Sadly most of those voters are the type who have gone from traditional Labour to now voting Reform
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351
    Foxy said:

    RobD said:

    It cannot seriously be Ed.

    It would be great craic to be fair. EICIPM
    I want good government, not craic.
    Do PBers not want me to have a 100/1 winner?
    Not sure I’m ready for chaos with Ed Miliband.
    A Miliband premiership will be an island of calm surrounded by storms.
    Will it be full of strangers though?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,872

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position

    Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.

    The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.

    Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-speech-latest-news-resign-live-gkz7n9wpj

    Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
    Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.

    Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
    I don't think she would run, aiui she still has pretty severe chronic fatigue syndrome/ME.
    Does she have that? I didn't know. That makes me sympathetic

    I have to say (and this is not meant ungallantly) she has looked a little pale and unwell, and she's not performed as a minister. I thought it was just age or weariness, if she is actually sick, then that's a damn shame. She was good fun and a good sport when she was a PB-er
    Again, not being ungallant, it says so much about the lack of quality in Labour that someone with such a difficult condition is Foreign Secretary.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    Maybe Farage's prediction of a 2027 General Election will turn out to be accurate. It could all fall apart for Labour if they get this wrong.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351

    We have obvious contenders. Front line agitators who want the crown and have made their intentions clear. But if they fall or are pushed away then maybe we are down to the 2nd division. I assume Ed Milliband is top of that table ahead of Yvette Cooper or Bridget Phillipson or whichever nobody is the depute leader these days.

    Hey, how about a laugh where they do end up with Catherine West?

    Why not Nandy? I like her and she would win me four hundred pounds so there's also that.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842

    algarkirk said:

    Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position

    Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.

    The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.

    Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-speech-latest-news-resign-live-gkz7n9wpj

    Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
    Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.

    Yvette Cooper is the equivalent of Douglas Turd.

    Privileged background, been around for ever without achieving anything.
    Yvette Cooper did not go to Eton and both were perfectly competent Cabinet Ministers just lack the charisma for the top job
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,564

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2053932574175597018

    ***BREAKING: Labour’s soft-left condemns Wes Streeting’s bid for No10 and vows to oust him from Downing Street if he becomes PM***

    A senior soft-left source blasts Team Streeting for their public statements calling for a “swift” and “rapid” contest before Andy Burnham can get in.

    The source says:

    “If Wes thinks he can pull off some kind of stitch up to avoid a fair process that he will have no legitimacy even if he briefly ends up in office. There would be no support for the government in the Commons and we would challenge him at the first opportunity. He’d be lucky to outlast a lettuce.

    It means the Labour Party is in civil war tonight

    Streeting appears to be trying to force a contest before Burnham is eligible

    It is causing meltdown among soft-left and left MPs

    Senior figures on the left of the party are threatening to oust Streeting from No10 if he succeeds in his bid to be PM

    I posted that last nght.

    Yes.They are telling Wes Streeting if you win a contest without Burnham then there will be another contest if and when Burnham becomes an MP.

    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5541379/#Comment_5541379

    Was a reply to this post by me

    So I've been told that a Labour MP is going to stand down for Burnham within the next 48 hours.

    If Starmer blocks him for standing more than 81 MPs will trigger a leadership contest.

    That noise you can hear is me making a reverse ferret on my betting positions.

    Right now overall I'm green even if Burnham wins but I want to make big profits.

    However Streeting might pull the plug on Starmer this week.

    Decisions decisions.


    https://vf.politicalbetting.com/discussion/comment/5541364/#Comment_5541364
  • https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2053932574175597018

    ***BREAKING: Labour’s soft-left condemns Wes Streeting’s bid for No10 and vows to oust him from Downing Street if he becomes PM***

    A senior soft-left source blasts Team Streeting for their public statements calling for a “swift” and “rapid” contest before Andy Burnham can get in.

    The source says:

    “If Wes thinks he can pull off some kind of stitch up to avoid a fair process that he will have no legitimacy even if he briefly ends up in office. There would be no support for the government in the Commons and we would challenge him at the first opportunity. He’d be lucky to outlast a lettuce.

    It means the Labour Party is in civil war tonight

    Streeting appears to be trying to force a contest before Burnham is eligible

    It is causing meltdown among soft-left and left MPs

    Senior figures on the left of the party are threatening to oust Streeting from No10 if he succeeds in his bid to be PM

    That’s Clive Lewis
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 63,498

    MaxPB said:

    So that pep talk this morning went well then, Starmer.

    Twelve hours later and he is Billy No Mates.

    Sod them all - and call an election!

    Surely no majority for it, the old method of calling a confidende vote doesn't work does it?
    No the confidence vote does work, we're back to the PM having the power to call elections, we're back to the Lascelles Principles.

    To be honest I think King Charles III would have the right to refuse an early election.
    King Charles III exercised more leadership with one speech in America than Starmer has in 6 years.
    Hmmmm…

    Multi-cultural out reach, commitment to the environment. Probably built more houses than the current government…

    Chas would probably get more votes than Starmer. In the Labour Party Parliamentary Party…
  • DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position

    Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.

    The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.

    Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-speech-latest-news-resign-live-gkz7n9wpj

    Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
    Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.

    Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
    I don't think she would run, aiui she still has pretty severe chronic fatigue syndrome/ME.
    Does she have that? I didn't know. That makes me sympathetic

    I have to say (and this is not meant ungallantly) she has looked a little pale and unwell, and she's not performed as a minister. I thought it was just age or weariness, if she is actually sick, then that's a damn shame. She was good fun and a good sport when she was a PB-er
    Again, not being ungallant, it says so much about the lack of quality in Labour that someone with such a difficult condition is Foreign Secretary.
    Good point. Actually quite shocking, when you think about it
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    Graham Stringer will not resign his seat for Burnham and says he should remain as mayor
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,564

    Graham Stringer will not resign his seat for Burnham and says he should remain as mayor

    Hah!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position

    Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.

    The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.

    Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-speech-latest-news-resign-live-gkz7n9wpj

    Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
    Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.

    Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
    I don't think she would run, aiui she still has pretty severe chronic fatigue syndrome/ME.
    Does she have that? I didn't know. That makes me sympathetic

    I have to say (and this is not meant ungallantly) she has looked a little pale and unwell, and she's not performed as a minister. I thought it was just age or weariness, if she is actually sick, then that's a damn shame. She was good fun and a good sport when she was a PB-er
    Again, not being ungallant, it says so much about the lack of quality in Labour that someone with such a difficult condition is Foreign Secretary.
    Good point. Actually quite shocking, when you think about it
    Cooper is nonetheless a heavyweight even despite her condition, which is more than can be said for most of her Cabinet colleagues
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,501
    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position

    Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.

    The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.

    Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-speech-latest-news-resign-live-gkz7n9wpj

    Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
    Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.

    Yvette Cooper is the equivalent of Douglas Turd.

    Privileged background, been around for ever without achieving anything.
    Yvette Cooper did not go to Eton and both were perfectly competent Cabinet Ministers just lack the charisma for the top job
    Yvette Cooper's father was a trade union general secretary which makes her Labour's equivalent of aristocracy.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,536
    Graham Stringer tells Sky he won't give up his seat for Burnham. Thinks Burnham should stay as mayor
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,936
    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position

    Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.

    The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.

    Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-speech-latest-news-resign-live-gkz7n9wpj

    Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
    Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.

    Yvette Cooper is the equivalent of Douglas Turd.

    Privileged background, been around for ever without achieving anything.
    Yvette Cooper did not go to Eton and both were perfectly competent Cabinet Ministers just lack the charisma for the top job
    Your main distinguishing criterion is education at Eton?

    You're a queer cove..
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,126
    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position

    Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.

    The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.

    Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-speech-latest-news-resign-live-gkz7n9wpj

    Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
    Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.

    Yvette Cooper is the equivalent of Douglas Turd.

    Privileged background, been around for ever without achieving anything.
    Yvette Cooper did not go to Eton and both were perfectly competent Cabinet Ministers just lack the charisma for the top job
    I had a lot to do with Cooper over HIPS and she was a thick as mince
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842

    Maybe Farage's prediction of a 2027 General Election will turn out to be accurate. It could all fall apart for Labour if they get this wrong.

    It won't, Turkey Labour MPs won't vote to get eaten by Farage before 2029 at least or they have a new leader with a big poll lead
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,887

    Sky

    Catherine West has 80 names

    That's nothing, Grant Shapps has at least 85.
    You know who else has LOADS of names?
  • Streeting and Mahmood
  • Sweeney74Sweeney74 Posts: 629
    The entitlement on display by the Burnham cohort is sickening. It’s not Buggin’s turn.
    I hope he does persuade someone to stand down
    I hope he gets the nod by the NEC to stand
    I hope he loses the by-election
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,257
    edited May 11

    Maybe Farage's prediction of a 2027 General Election will turn out to be accurate. It could all fall apart for Labour if they get this wrong.

    The chances are increasing, I would say... especially as it's once again now in the gift of whoever happens to be PM...

    Heck, Starmer could even call one tomorrow.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,501
    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position

    Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.

    The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.

    Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-speech-latest-news-resign-live-gkz7n9wpj

    Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
    Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.

    Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
    I don't think she would run, aiui she still has pretty severe chronic fatigue syndrome/ME.
    Does she have that? I didn't know. That makes me sympathetic

    I have to say (and this is not meant ungallantly) she has looked a little pale and unwell, and she's not performed as a minister. I thought it was just age or weariness, if she is actually sick, then that's a damn shame. She was good fun and a good sport when she was a PB-er
    Again, not being ungallant, it says so much about the lack of quality in Labour that someone with such a difficult condition is Foreign Secretary.
    It says much about Starmer's judgement that she replaced David Lammy who was doing quite well.

    Playing musical chairs with cabinet posts in a new government is never a good sign.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559

    Could the MPs coronate Streeting as PM?

    Trouble is whether Labour party members would back him.

    No.
    Streeting appears to be the favoured candidate of folk who wouldn't vote Labour.
    He's also continuity Starmer.
    That isn't a viable option.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,536
    GIN1138 said:

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2053932574175597018

    ***BREAKING: Labour’s soft-left condemns Wes Streeting’s bid for No10 and vows to oust him from Downing Street if he becomes PM***

    A senior soft-left source blasts Team Streeting for their public statements calling for a “swift” and “rapid” contest before Andy Burnham can get in.

    The source says:

    “If Wes thinks he can pull off some kind of stitch up to avoid a fair process that he will have no legitimacy even if he briefly ends up in office. There would be no support for the government in the Commons and we would challenge him at the first opportunity. He’d be lucky to outlast a lettuce.

    It means the Labour Party is in civil war tonight

    Streeting appears to be trying to force a contest before Burnham is eligible

    It is causing meltdown among soft-left and left MPs

    Senior figures on the left of the party are threatening to oust Streeting from No10 if he succeeds in his bid to be PM

    Wezzzzzzzzzzzzzz might be a "Liz Truss" stop gap PM....
    The problem is if the party right still control the NEC then they can keep blocking burnham
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,331
    GIN1138 said:

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2053932574175597018

    ***BREAKING: Labour’s soft-left condemns Wes Streeting’s bid for No10 and vows to oust him from Downing Street if he becomes PM***

    A senior soft-left source blasts Team Streeting for their public statements calling for a “swift” and “rapid” contest before Andy Burnham can get in.

    The source says:

    “If Wes thinks he can pull off some kind of stitch up to avoid a fair process that he will have no legitimacy even if he briefly ends up in office. There would be no support for the government in the Commons and we would challenge him at the first opportunity. He’d be lucky to outlast a lettuce.

    It means the Labour Party is in civil war tonight

    Streeting appears to be trying to force a contest before Burnham is eligible

    It is causing meltdown among soft-left and left MPs

    Senior figures on the left of the party are threatening to oust Streeting from No10 if he succeeds in his bid to be PM

    Wezzzzzzzzzzzzzz might be a "Liz Truss" stop gap PM....
    I fucking called that very early on over on Emergency Podcast. Last year.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842
    dixiedean said:

    Could the MPs coronate Streeting as PM?

    Trouble is whether Labour party members would back him.

    No.
    Streeting appears to be the favoured candidate of folk who wouldn't vote Labour.
    He's also continuity Starmer.
    That isn't a viable option.
    Not entirely, Streeting is a Blairite, Starmer is a Brownite
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,257

    We have obvious contenders. Front line agitators who want the crown and have made their intentions clear. But if they fall or are pushed away then maybe we are down to the 2nd division. I assume Ed Milliband is top of that table ahead of Yvette Cooper or Bridget Phillipson or whichever nobody is the depute leader these days.

    Hey, how about a laugh where they do end up with Catherine West?

    I've always thought they'd end up choosing Ed Miliband.... 💪
  • Have we done the Latest Dan?

    "Just been told 4 Senior Cabinet Ministers have tonight gone into Downing Street to tell Keir Starmer it's time to go."
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,501
    It may be messy but at least this country manages to get rid of prime ministers who have passed their sell by date.

    Whereas the USA produced the Biden and Trump disasters.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,331

    Graham Stringer tells Sky he won't give up his seat for Burnham. Thinks Burnham should stay as mayor

    Well quite. Every Single Ward in Blackley and Middleton South went fuker.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,224
    edited May 11
    ...
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842
    edited May 11

    It may be messy but at least this country manages to get rid of prime ministers who have passed their sell by date.

    Whereas the USA produced the Biden and Trump disasters.

    Presidents are more difficult to remove than mere PMs as US Presidents are directly elected by the voters via the EC for 4 years not reliant on support from the majority of the legislature like PMs
  • HYUFD said:

    dixiedean said:

    Could the MPs coronate Streeting as PM?

    Trouble is whether Labour party members would back him.

    No.
    Streeting appears to be the favoured candidate of folk who wouldn't vote Labour.
    He's also continuity Starmer.
    That isn't a viable option.
    Not entirely, Streeting is a Blairite, Starmer is a Brownite
    For goodness sake you are really starting to wind me up with this constant nonsense analysis.

    Starmer has proved decisively he is not a Brownite. He’s a nothing.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,936
    Open Sesame Streeting
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,858

    Have we done the Latest Dan?

    "Just been told 4 Senior Cabinet Ministers have tonight gone into Downing Street to tell Keir Starmer it's time to go."

    Not even a "while I personally support you, I fear that it's no longer possible to carry the Party with us"?

    Damned cheek of it. If they want to tell Starmer to go, they can do the honest thing and resign. If they're right, it barely matters.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842
    edited May 11
    GIN1138 said:

    We have obvious contenders. Front line agitators who want the crown and have made their intentions clear. But if they fall or are pushed away then maybe we are down to the 2nd division. I assume Ed Milliband is top of that table ahead of Yvette Cooper or Bridget Phillipson or whichever nobody is the depute leader these days.

    Hey, how about a laugh where they do end up with Catherine West?

    I've always thought they'd end up choosing Ed Miliband.... 💪
    Voters will look at Labour with utter contempt if they anoint as PM a man they completely rejected at the 2015 general election without a vote. At least Starmer actually won a general election for all his faults.

    It would be like the Tories having picked William Hague to replace May not Boris
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,564

    Open Sesame Streeting

    I am so stealing that

    #PunnersForStreeting
  • Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,257
    HYUFD said:

    GIN1138 said:

    We have obvious contenders. Front line agitators who want the crown and have made their intentions clear. But if they fall or are pushed away then maybe we are down to the 2nd division. I assume Ed Milliband is top of that table ahead of Yvette Cooper or Bridget Phillipson or whichever nobody is the depute leader these days.

    Hey, how about a laugh where they do end up with Catherine West?

    I've always thought they'd end up choosing Ed Miliband.... 💪
    Voters will look at Labour with utter contempt if they anoint as PM a man they completely rejected at the 2015 general election without a vote. At least Starmer actually won a general election for all his faults.

    It would be like the Tories having picked William Hague to replace May not Boris
    Well quite... Doesn't mean it won't happen though... ;)
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 29,501
    HYUFD said:

    It may be messy but at least this country manages to get rid of prime ministers who have passed their sell by date.

    Whereas the USA produced the Biden and Trump disasters.

    Presidents are more difficult to remove than mere PMs as US Presidents are directly elected by the voters via the EC for 4 years not reliant on support from the majority of the legislature like PMs
    The entire Dem party supported Biden running a second time.

    The entire GOP supported Trump running a second time.

    Neither was fit to do so.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351
    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position

    Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.

    The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.

    Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-speech-latest-news-resign-live-gkz7n9wpj

    Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
    Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.

    Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
    I don't think she would run, aiui she still has pretty severe chronic fatigue syndrome/ME.
    Does she have that? I didn't know. That makes me sympathetic

    I have to say (and this is not meant ungallantly) she has looked a little pale and unwell, and she's not performed as a minister. I thought it was just age or weariness, if she is actually sick, then that's a damn shame. She was good fun and a good sport when she was a PB-er
    Again, not being ungallant, it says so much about the lack of quality in Labour that someone with such a difficult condition is Foreign Secretary.
    Good point. Actually quite shocking, when you think about it
    Cooper is nonetheless a heavyweight even despite her condition, which is more than can be said for most of her Cabinet colleagues
    Cooper had ME when she was in her mid twenties.

    Long, long time ago.
  • RattersRatters Posts: 2,027
    Starmer surely toast? I'd be amazed if he sees our the year now.

    I'm very glad I closed our my betting position stating the opposite for a small profit after the Mandelson saga blew up a month or so ago. He's simply lost all sense of authority within the party at this point.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,257
    edited May 11

    Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.

    He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.

    One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,351

    HYUFD said:

    It may be messy but at least this country manages to get rid of prime ministers who have passed their sell by date.

    Whereas the USA produced the Biden and Trump disasters.

    Presidents are more difficult to remove than mere PMs as US Presidents are directly elected by the voters via the EC for 4 years not reliant on support from the majority of the legislature like PMs
    The entire Dem party supported Biden running a second time.

    The entire GOP supported Trump running a second time.

    Neither was fit to do so.
    First is not strictly true. A Dem did try and primary him - Dean Philips
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 35,218
    ...

    Sky

    Catherine West has 80 names

    That's nothing, Grant Shapps has at least 85.
    You know who else has LOADS of names?
    Her Royal Highness the august lady Doña Sofía Landaluce y Melgarejo, Princess of the Two Sicilies, Duchess of Calabria, and Countess of Caserta?
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,878
    edited May 11

    Have we done the Latest Dan?

    "Just been told 4 Senior Cabinet Ministers have tonight gone into Downing Street to tell Keir Starmer it's time to go."

    I always have a sense that it is the voices in Dan's head that are telling him. Sometimes those voices are spot on. Sometimes not.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position

    Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.

    The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.

    Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-speech-latest-news-resign-live-gkz7n9wpj

    Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
    Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.

    Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
    I don't think she would run, aiui she still has pretty severe chronic fatigue syndrome/ME.
    Does she have that? I didn't know. That makes me sympathetic

    I have to say (and this is not meant ungallantly) she has looked a little pale and unwell, and she's not performed as a minister. I thought it was just age or weariness, if she is actually sick, then that's a damn shame. She was good fun and a good sport when she was a PB-er
    Again, not being ungallant, it says so much about the lack of quality in Labour that someone with such a difficult condition is Foreign Secretary.
    Good point. Actually quite shocking, when you think about it
    Cooper is nonetheless a heavyweight even despite her condition, which is more than can be said for most of her Cabinet colleagues
    Cooper had ME when she was in her mid twenties.

    Long, long time ago.
    Cooper is a relatively safe pair of hands. As many have noted she's been around a long time without achieving much.
    I don't sense that's what we need right now. She's another May.
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,945
    GIN1138 said:

    https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2053932574175597018

    ***BREAKING: Labour’s soft-left condemns Wes Streeting’s bid for No10 and vows to oust him from Downing Street if he becomes PM***

    A senior soft-left source blasts Team Streeting for their public statements calling for a “swift” and “rapid” contest before Andy Burnham can get in.

    The source says:

    “If Wes thinks he can pull off some kind of stitch up to avoid a fair process that he will have no legitimacy even if he briefly ends up in office. There would be no support for the government in the Commons and we would challenge him at the first opportunity. He’d be lucky to outlast a lettuce.

    It means the Labour Party is in civil war tonight

    Streeting appears to be trying to force a contest before Burnham is eligible

    It is causing meltdown among soft-left and left MPs

    Senior figures on the left of the party are threatening to oust Streeting from No10 if he succeeds in his bid to be PM

    Wezzzzzzzzzzzzzz might be a "Liz Truss" stop gap PM....
    Feels rather like history repeating itself, this time as farce. Which I suppose is fitting for the Labour version.
  • GIN1138 said:

    Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.

    He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.

    One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
    I’m not convinced the 2024 intake is very left
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842
    dixiedean said:

    HYUFD said:

    DavidL said:

    MaxPB said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position

    Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.

    The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.

    Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-speech-latest-news-resign-live-gkz7n9wpj

    Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
    Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.

    Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
    I don't think she would run, aiui she still has pretty severe chronic fatigue syndrome/ME.
    Does she have that? I didn't know. That makes me sympathetic

    I have to say (and this is not meant ungallantly) she has looked a little pale and unwell, and she's not performed as a minister. I thought it was just age or weariness, if she is actually sick, then that's a damn shame. She was good fun and a good sport when she was a PB-er
    Again, not being ungallant, it says so much about the lack of quality in Labour that someone with such a difficult condition is Foreign Secretary.
    Good point. Actually quite shocking, when you think about it
    Cooper is nonetheless a heavyweight even despite her condition, which is more than can be said for most of her Cabinet colleagues
    Cooper had ME when she was in her mid twenties.

    Long, long time ago.
    Cooper is a relatively safe pair of hands. As many have noted she's been around a long time without achieving much.
    I don't sense that's what we need right now. She's another May.
    May did last 3 years as PM, negotiated a Brexit deal and won most seats at a general election. Labour could do worse now than a May
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    GIN1138 said:

    Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.

    He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.

    One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
    He could do a Boris and kick out the left after he wins.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,878
    edited May 11

    Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.

    I don't think Wes Streeting is likely to attract back the voters that have departed the Labour fold. Neither the aging St Helen's demographic, nor the Greenish ex-Fabians. Let alone the actual left.
  • Andy Burnham and co rage at Streeting.

    Oh we must wait for Andy for only he can save Labour. It gets my back up.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,842

    HYUFD said:

    It may be messy but at least this country manages to get rid of prime ministers who have passed their sell by date.

    Whereas the USA produced the Biden and Trump disasters.

    Presidents are more difficult to remove than mere PMs as US Presidents are directly elected by the voters via the EC for 4 years not reliant on support from the majority of the legislature like PMs
    The entire Dem party supported Biden running a second time.

    The entire GOP supported Trump running a second time.

    Neither was fit to do so.
    Haley campaigned against Trump in the GOP primaries but Trump won Republican voters support to be their candidate, that is democracy.

    Biden at least beat Trump once unlike Harris
  • theProletheProle Posts: 1,945
    GIN1138 said:

    Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.

    He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.

    One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
    It's just rather unsporting of the country that it's clearly to the right of where the government is now, never mind where it might end up if the Labour left get hold of it.

    I can only assume that they all really, really want PM Farage. Otherwise they'd be picking Mahmood, as she's about the only one who seems to understand roughly where the country is at.
  • Streeting’s faction is the only one with any balls.

    Burnham could publicly say right now he wants Starmer out. But he isn’t. Why!
  • theProle said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.

    He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.

    One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
    It's just rather unsporting of the country that it's clearly to the right of where the government is now, never mind where it might end up if the Labour left get hold of it.

    I can only assume that they all really, really want PM Farage. Otherwise they'd be picking Mahmood, as she's about the only one who seems to understand roughly where the country is at.
    Okay but Streeting actually ran a pretty good local campaign and did quite well last week. So he’s got something.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 4,847
    I guess someone can put big Gordon Brown back into stasis again then.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,124
    More stories of Israeli butchery in Lebanon. This time a 12 year old girl and her father on his motor scooter . He was killed and she's seriously injured. They shot at her as she tried to escape. Another 80 Lebanese killed in 24 hours. Maybe Sir Keir might have an opinion anout marchers following Israeli flags in London

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQhijX4lYFY

  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,989
    GIN1138 said:

    Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.

    He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.

    One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
    Is it clear that Labour is going left? The membership has basically halved in the last few years and if the membership is anything like the voters at large it's the left half that's left.
  • GIN1138 said:

    Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.

    He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.

    One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
    Is it clear that Labour is going left? The membership has basically halved in the last few years and if the membership is anything like the voters at large it's the left half that's left.
    Yeah the people that are left are people like me that were once fans of Keir Starmer.
  • AnneJGPAnneJGP Posts: 5,442

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position

    Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.

    The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.

    Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-speech-latest-news-resign-live-gkz7n9wpj

    Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
    Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.

    Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
    That would be sensible. The evidence of the last couple of days is that the Labour Party have decided to give up on being sensible.
    I suppose that whilst our government is consumed by all this drama, the world is still going to hell in a handcart all over the place.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,124
    Roger said:

    More stories of Israeli butchery in Lebanon. This time a 12 year old girl and her father on his motor scooter . He was killed and she's seriously injured. They shot at her as she tried to escape. Another 80 Lebanese killed in 24 hours. Maybe Sir Keir might have an opinion anout marchers following Israeli flags in London

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQhijX4lYFY

    At about 16 mins.
  • mwadams said:

    dixiedean said:

    What's so funny about this is that SKS has only been Prime Minister for (check notes) 22 months.

    And that's after a landslide victory to rival Blair's biggest wins.

    I hope we never hear about the "Ming Vase" strategy ever again after this. It's been shown to be utter nonsense.

    The Ming Vase strategy was never used by Blair.
    It was Roy Jenkins, a member of an opposition Party who coined it after the campaign.
    In actuality Blair had a programme for government. An extremely carefully calibrated and effective one not to scare off swing voters.
    Starmer's Ming Vase was to have no plan of any kind to not scare anyone at all.
    And that is where he made his bloomer - the idea is to *declare* no plan, not to *have* no plan.
    From what I’ve understood, he accepted he had no plan or ideas and so sub-contracted it to Sue Gray, who produced nothing.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559

    GIN1138 said:

    Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.

    He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.

    One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
    Is it clear that Labour is going left? The membership has basically halved in the last few years and if the membership is anything like the voters at large it's the left half that's left.
    Well trying to chase the Reform voter has led to 1500 fewer councillors. And 500 more Greens.
    It's not an unreasonable assumption of direction.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,564

    GIN1138 said:

    Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.

    He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.

    One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
    Is it clear that Labour is going left? The membership has basically halved in the last few years and if the membership is anything like the voters at large it's the left half that's left.
    Yeah the people that are left are people like me that were once fans of Keir Starmer.
    You're not very loyal, you backed both Jez and Keir, then went all Peter on them, denying them three times before the cock crows.

    Me, as my friends have observed, I was more loyal to David Cameron than I was to my wife.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,168

    Andy Burnham and co rage at Streeting.

    Oh we must wait for Andy for only he can save Labour. It gets my back up.

    As Dickie Attenborough says in Jurassic Park ‘I don’t blame people for their mistakes, but I do expect them to pay for them’. Burnham is paying for not getting back to parliament in 2024. He may never get back. Is there a safe seat anywhere?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,257
    theProle said:

    GIN1138 said:

    Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.

    He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.

    One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
    It's just rather unsporting of the country that it's clearly to the right of where the government is now, never mind where it might end up if the Labour left get hold of it.

    I can only assume that they all really, really want PM Farage. Otherwise they'd be picking Mahmood, as she's about the only one who seems to understand roughly where the country is at.
    Labour are doing what they always do in times of trouble and strife (1970s and early 80s and again in the 2010s) retreating into their left wing comfort zone... It always ends the same way as well...
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,916
    Lots of other news going on in the world still…

    EU agreed to sanction Israeli settlers

    Trump threatens Iran, although no sign he won’t just TACO again

    Filipino Vice President impeached (again)

    Office of the High Representative In Bosnia resigns
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 32,559
    13 minutes of Spursie time.
  • GIN1138 said:

    Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.

    He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.

    One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
    Is it clear that Labour is going left? The membership has basically halved in the last few years and if the membership is anything like the voters at large it's the left half that's left.
    Yeah the people that are left are people like me that were once fans of Keir Starmer.
    You're not very loyal, you backed both Jez and Keir, then went all Peter on them, denying them three times before the cock crows.

    Me, as my friends have observed, I was more loyal to David Cameron than I was to my wife.
    "Power without principle is barren, but principle without power is futile”.

    - Tony Blair
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,878
    edited May 11

    GIN1138 said:

    Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.

    He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.

    One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
    Is it clear that Labour is going left? The membership has basically halved in the last few years and if the membership is anything like the voters at large it's the left half that's left.
    I realized that last part was ambiguous. To clarify, the left has left, the right is left.
    I thought the only people left are councillors, people who wish to be councillors, lots of people who wish they were still councillors, assorted spads and agents, and people whose grandparents were friends of Ramsay Mac and would otherwise have nothing else to do on the weekends.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,424

    GIN1138 said:

    Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.

    He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.

    One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
    He could do a Boris and kick out the left after he wins.
    That’s exactly what he would do. The idea that they’ll still be around to cause trouble if he gets the job is for the birds; they’re more likely to find themselves camped in the Midlands digging a canal to Norfolk with a spade.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,858
    AnneJGP said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position

    Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.

    The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.

    Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-speech-latest-news-resign-live-gkz7n9wpj

    Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
    Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.

    Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
    That would be sensible. The evidence of the last couple of days is that the Labour Party have decided to give up on being sensible.
    I suppose that whilst our government is consumed by all this drama, the world is still going to hell in a handcart all over the place.
    Probably. And assuming that Hormuz is still closed, it'll have to be a handcart soon.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 23,257
    HYUFD said:

    Maybe Farage's prediction of a 2027 General Election will turn out to be accurate. It could all fall apart for Labour if they get this wrong.

    It won't, Turkey Labour MPs won't vote to get eaten by Farage before 2029 at least or they have a new leader with a big poll lead
    Labour MPs don't have to vote for anything though? All that has to happen is the PM decides we're having an election and... we're having an election.

    Remember, most Tory MPs didn't want an election in July 2024. They wanted to wait until October or November. It was pretty much Rishi alone that decided to go in July '24 and nobody could stop him as it's the one power and decision that is purely that of the Prime Minister....
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,872

    GIN1138 said:

    Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.

    He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.

    One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
    Is it clear that Labour is going left? The membership has basically halved in the last few years and if the membership is anything like the voters at large it's the left half that's left.
    I realized that last part was ambiguous. To clarify, the left has left, the right is left.
    As the Tom Robinson band said a long time ago


    You better decide which side you're on
    This ship goes down before too long
    If Left is right then Right is Wrong
    You better decide which side you're on
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,168
    dixiedean said:

    13 minutes of Spursie time.

    One wonders why football doesn’t just implement a stopping clock, akin to rugby. * Hard to see where 13 minutes came from.

    *Except of course football hates learning from other sports, especially rugby.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,564
    dixiedean said:

    13 minutes of Spursie time.

    I am watching Millwall v Hull, how did they get 13 mins of injury time?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,319
    AnneJGP said:

    HYUFD said:

    algarkirk said:

    Cabinet ministers tell Starmer to consider his position

    Sir Keir Starmer has been told by senior cabinet ministers to consider setting out a timeline for his departure after more than 70 Labour MPs called for him to go.

    The Times has been told that at least three ministers including Shabana Mahmood, the home secretary, have told Starmer that he should consider his position.

    Cabinet ministers are expected to tell Starmer at cabinet on Tuesday that he needs to stand down amid concerns that his position is now unsustainable.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-speech-latest-news-resign-live-gkz7n9wpj

    Shabana Mahmood could be the John Major of this contest if the other rival factions cancel each other out.
    Yvette Cooper is my John Major candidate.

    Cooper is far more likely than Mahmood and as Foreign Secretary a strong contender given new PMs for a party in power always have held one of the 3 Great Offices of State, neither Burnham nor Streeting nor Rayner have. Labour are also hardly likely to go back to Ed Miliband either who led them to humiliating defeat in the 2015 GE
    That would be sensible. The evidence of the last couple of days is that the Labour Party have decided to give up on being sensible.
    I suppose that whilst our government is consumed by all this drama, the world is still going to hell in a handcart all over the place.
    Yes talk about bad timing . It’s as if the Iran War has disappeared and the UK isn’t going to get battered economically !

    Catherine West even with her disorganised attempt to remove Starmer is likely now to have caused a situation that could unravel to the extent that we end up with Ed Miliband !
  • RogerRoger Posts: 23,124

    GIN1138 said:

    Wes doesn’t strike me as a Liz Truss. Labour could do a lot worse.

    He's not a Liz in terms of being completely loopy and totally unfit to be anywhere near the levers of power, but a Liz in terms of being only being PM briefly before he, too, is ousted.

    One thing is clear, Labour are going LEFT and Wes is generally to the RIGHT of most of them... So it ain't gonna work.
    Is it clear that Labour is going left? The membership has basically halved in the last few years and if the membership is anything like the voters at large it's the left half that's left.
    Yeah the people that are left are people like me that were once fans of Keir Starmer.
    I thoght you were a fan of Badenoch? Or was that just a psycho drama of the type so beloved by Big_G?
  • Roger said:

    More stories of Israeli butchery in Lebanon. This time a 12 year old girl and her father on his motor scooter . He was killed and she's seriously injured. They shot at her as she tried to escape. Another 80 Lebanese killed in 24 hours. Maybe Sir Keir might have an opinion anout marchers following Israeli flags in London

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQhijX4lYFY

    Didn’t you do an advert there?
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,168

    dixiedean said:

    13 minutes of Spursie time.

    I am watching Millwall v Hull, how did they get 13 mins of injury time?
    Well quite. I’ve got the Spurs game on and it’s seemed like any other game with same 5 mins extra.
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