BREAKING: Sally Jameson, a PPS in the Home Office, has called on PM to set timetable to stand down, and Tom Rutland, Emma Reynolds PPS has just resigned
So the great Burnham master plan looks like it’s imploded !
No way Starmer is going to hang around for 5 months and wave the backstabbing Judas into No 10.
Burnham is an idiot. If he does have support amongst Labour MPs then they're ever dafter. The wise thing to do (for the country) is stick with Starmer - he's useless, but not as bad as the rest. The wise thing to do from a Labour perspective is to stick with Starmer - he's useless, but he's better than the exposed laundry that might be a contest. In fact there's no sensible basis on which to replace Starmer with any other Labour politician. Thus I conclude he'll be forced out.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
Oh good, just what the Labour Party needs - a North London MP and ex-student union leader. The red wall will rejoice. Labour MPs from Wigan and Tameside and Wakefield will be breathing a sigh of relief.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
According to the rules, yes.
But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.
But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
But Rayner isn't ruled out? She's just reputationally hampered by the HMRC thing. Unless there is some arcane rule about tax allegations in the Labour playbook. Which there may be
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
According to the rules, yes.
But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.
But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
I don't think Rayner is out of it, she obviously won't be first mover due to her HMRC stuff but once the game is afoot led by say Streeting I reckon she can join
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
Oh good, just what the Labour Party needs - a North London MP and ex-student union leader. The red wall will rejoice. Labour MPs from Wigan and Tameside and Wakefield will be breathing a sigh of relief.
Well, you don't need to be from the Red Wall to appeal to the Red Wall - Boris and Farage proved that - but whilst I think Streeting is ok I don't see broad appeal in him.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
Oh good, just what the Labour Party needs - a North London MP and ex-student union leader. The red wall will rejoice. Labour MPs from Wigan and Tameside and Wakefield will be breathing a sigh of relief.
I think he might be good generally, both policy and comms. In any case, and I know this verges on heresy, it's not all about the red wall.
So the great Burnham master plan looks like it’s imploded !
No way Starmer is going to hang around for 5 months and wave the backstabbing Judas into No 10.
Burnham must be going nuts; hahahahah twat, he made his ambition and greed all too obvious
Well done Wes for SHOWING some CULLIONS
So it will be Streeting V Rayner V Miliband maybe?
Some of these Labour PPSs who’ve resigned are just clueless. If they wanted Andy Burnham they needed to wait it out .
They’re expecting Starmer to hang around for 5 months as a lame duck .
But isn't the assumption that they are all Streeters? Or Wezzers?
He did claim in the Telegraph the other day that he had 81 MPs ready to go over the top, maybe it was true
If Streeting manages to topple Skyr this week, by actually displaying some courage, then he deserves the top prize just for bravery. Doing what everyone else was too frit to do. And that also augurs well for a potential premiership. Perhaps he actually has brains and courage
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
According to the rules, yes.
But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.
But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
But Rayner isn't ruled out? She's just reputationally hampered by the HMRC thing. Unless there is some arcane rule about tax allegations in the Labour playbook. Which there may be
You can’t have the new PM walking into No 10 and then given a HMRC penalty . She needs the matter cleared up before . I fear this could all unravel and Ed Miliband ends up by default as PM !
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
Oh good, just what the Labour Party needs - a North London MP and ex-student union leader. The red wall will rejoice. Labour MPs from Wigan and Tameside and Wakefield will be breathing a sigh of relief.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
Oh good, just what the Labour Party needs - a North London MP and ex-student union leader. The red wall will rejoice. Labour MPs from Wigan and Tameside and Wakefield will be breathing a sigh of relief.
Well, you don't need to be from the Red Wall to appeal to the Red Wall - Boris and Farage proved that - but whilst I think Streeting is ok I don't see broad appeal in him.
No, that's fair. But Labour does seem rather fond of men either from or representing North London.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
According to the rules, yes.
But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.
But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
But Rayner isn't ruled out? She's just reputationally hampered by the HMRC thing. Unless there is some arcane rule about tax allegations in the Labour playbook. Which there may be
You can’t have the new PM walking into No 10 and then given a HMRC penalty . She needs the matter cleared up before . I fear this could all unravel and Ed Miliband ends up by default as PM !
It's not ideal but I don't think it's the candidacy ender you're implying
So no-one has actually resigned from the government yet, it’s all just backbenchers realising they’re going to be one-term MPs.
Indeed and unless their numbers grow from the current 50 to 80, the number required to nominate a challenger for the Labour leadership, then Sir Keir can ignore them too
55 mps plus 3 PPS and according to Beth Rigby they are co-ordinated resignations
If they get to 80 Starmer should just do a John Major 'Put up or shut up, back me or sack me' and prepare for a leadership challenge against whoever comes forward. Rayner the John Redwood to Streeting's Portillo and Burnham's unavailable Heseltine?
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
Oh good, just what the Labour Party needs - a North London MP and ex-student union leader. The red wall will rejoice. Labour MPs from Wigan and Tameside and Wakefield will be breathing a sigh of relief.
Since when has Ilford been in North London.
North of the river is enough for those not of the city.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
According to the rules, yes.
But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.
But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
But Rayner isn't ruled out? She's just reputationally hampered by the HMRC thing. Unless there is some arcane rule about tax allegations in the Labour playbook. Which there may be
You can’t have the new PM walking into No 10 and then given a HMRC penalty . She needs the matter cleared up before . I fear this could all unravel and Ed Miliband ends up by default as PM !
A fair point. It's defimitely unideal. But I still don't think it rules her out entirely, it's just a big drag on her appeal
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
According to the rules, yes.
But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.
But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
But Rayner isn't ruled out? She's just reputationally hampered by the HMRC thing. Unless there is some arcane rule about tax allegations in the Labour playbook. Which there may be
You can’t have the new PM walking into No 10 and then given a HMRC penalty . She needs the matter cleared up before . I fear this could all unravel and Ed Miliband ends up by default as PM !
Rayner has been very underwhelming today. She hasn't grasped the moment at all.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
According to the rules, yes.
But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.
But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
But Rayner isn't ruled out? She's just reputationally hampered by the HMRC thing. Unless there is some arcane rule about tax allegations in the Labour playbook. Which there may be
You can’t have the new PM walking into No 10 and then given a HMRC penalty . She needs the matter cleared up before . I fear this could all unravel and Ed Miliband ends up by default as PM !
A fair point. It's defimitely unideal. But I still don't think it rules her out entirely, it's just a big drag on her appeal
I’m a big fan of Rayner . But I’m not the audience she needs to attract and the opposition and most of the press will pummel her over the tax issue .
So the great Burnham master plan looks like it’s imploded !
No way Starmer is going to hang around for 5 months and wave the backstabbing Judas into No 10.
Burnham must be going nuts; hahahahah twat, he made his ambition and greed all too obvious
Well done Wes for SHOWING some CULLIONS
So it will be Streeting V Rayner V Miliband maybe?
Burnham didn't go for parliament in 2024 and that puts him at a procedural disadvantage. That was a tactical choice and he may rue it, but others playing the game don't have to wait for him to enter it.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
According to the rules, yes.
But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.
But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
Not sure. Ed Miliband maybe. Some baggage there though.
Fwiw I don't see why Rayner can't go for it, HMRC or no HMRC. That's a burger of very little with no sauce in this age of leading politicians taking £5m in secret straight cash from offshore tycoons and bending policy to suit.
"The Scottish Greens MSP who won their Holyrood seat on a student visa has said they have applied for a graduate visa which will let them stay in the UK for the next three years.
"Q Manivannan, a Tamil Indian who recently gained a PhD from St Andrews University and identifies as trans, was elected to the Scottish parliament last Friday on the Edinburgh and Lothians East regional list, helping the Scottish Greens win a record 15 seats.
"Despite having no UK citizenship or permanent residency, Manivannan was allowed to stand for Holyrood under recent rule changes which allow anyone living in Scotland to contest devolved elections."
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
According to the rules, yes.
But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.
But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
But Rayner isn't ruled out? She's just reputationally hampered by the HMRC thing. Unless there is some arcane rule about tax allegations in the Labour playbook. Which there may be
You can’t have the new PM walking into No 10 and then given a HMRC penalty . She needs the matter cleared up before . I fear this could all unravel and Ed Miliband ends up by default as PM !
It's not ideal but I don't think it's the candidacy ender you're implying
It's worth a gamble from her perspective. It at least gives her influence and a shout at a prime gig even if the risk means she doesn't get it.
Labour List is keeping a running tally of MPs' positions which currently has 62 Labour MPs calling for Starmer to go now or to announce a timetable for departure, 71 backing Starmer, with the rest remaining silent (as yet.) Updated at 6.20pm. The dam has indeed broken.
Many Labour MPs see Andy Burnham as the prince across the water who can beat Farage.
But don't underestimate those who really aren't fans, including this Cabinet Minister, who tells me:
"People forget just how useless Andy Burnham was in Westminster. He ran two dire leadership campaigns. He was the last one to leave Corbyn’s shadow cabinet only when he saw the writing on the wall. He then went up to Manchester and now wants to come trotting back with the leadership gift-wrapped for him."
Burnham’s performance as Manchester mayor is arguably a better way to demonstrate that he could do the job than being an unnamed cabinet minster.
Yes, his ‘fuck the bond markets’ interjection a while back shows a wisdom greater than his years.
"The Scottish Greens MSP who won their Holyrood seat on a student visa has said they have applied for a graduate visa which will let them stay in the UK for the next three years.
"Q Manivannan, a Tamil Indian who recently gained a PhD from St Andrews University and identifies as trans, was elected to the Scottish parliament last Friday on the Edinburgh and Lothians East regional list, helping the Scottish Greens win a record 15 seats.
"Despite having no UK citizenship or permanent residency, Manivannan was allowed to stand for Holyrood under recent rule changes which allow anyone living in Scotland to contest devolved elections."
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
According to the rules, yes.
But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.
But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
Not sure. Ed Miliband maybe. Some baggage there though.
Fwiw I don't see why Rayner can't go for it, HMRC or no HMRC. That's a burger of very little with no sauce in this age of leading politicians taking £5m in secret straight cash from offshore tycoons and bending policy to suit.
Rayner was poor today. No guile, no comedy, just sucking up to Burnham. I am leaning towards the tight suited Streeting
If Skyr goes I'm going to miss hating him. I enjoyed hating him
Come on, we should really save “hate” for Putin and the Ayatollahs.
We can dislike the PM, think he’s not up to the job and should really resign, but talk of hating people leads to wider societal problems. See the US for more details.
"The Scottish Greens MSP who won their Holyrood seat on a student visa has said they have applied for a graduate visa which will let them stay in the UK for the next three years.
"Q Manivannan, a Tamil Indian who recently gained a PhD from St Andrews University and identifies as trans, was elected to the Scottish parliament last Friday on the Edinburgh and Lothians East regional list, helping the Scottish Greens win a record 15 seats.
"Despite having no UK citizenship or permanent residency, Manivannan was allowed to stand for Holyrood under recent rule changes which allow anyone living in Scotland to contest devolved elections."
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
According to the rules, yes.
But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.
But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
But Rayner isn't ruled out? She's just reputationally hampered by the HMRC thing. Unless there is some arcane rule about tax allegations in the Labour playbook. Which there may be
You can’t have the new PM walking into No 10 and then given a HMRC penalty . She needs the matter cleared up before . I fear this could all unravel and Ed Miliband ends up by default as PM !
A fair point. It's defimitely unideal. But I still don't think it rules her out entirely, it's just a big drag on her appeal
I’m a big fan of Rayner . But I’m not the audience she needs to attract and the opposition and most of the press will pummel her over the tax issue .
MSM reaction to Farage / Johnson massive undeclared bung, tumbleweed, Rayner HMRC penalty, cacophony
@Leon_VotedForStarmer will be dusting off his vuvuzela along with the rest of Marshall's shills
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
According to the rules, yes.
But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.
But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
Not sure. Ed Miliband maybe. Some baggage there though.
Fwiw I don't see why Rayner can't go for it, HMRC or no HMRC. That's a burger of very little with no sauce in this age of leading politicians taking £5m in secret straight cash from offshore tycoons and bending policy to suit.
Rayner was poor today. No guile, no comedy, just sucking up to Burnham. I am leaning towards the tight suited Streeting
Yay. I agree. There's a feeling I get when I look to the Wes.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
According to the rules, yes.
But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.
But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
Not sure. Ed Miliband maybe. Some baggage there though.
Fwiw I don't see why Rayner can't go for it, HMRC or no HMRC. That's a burger of very little with no sauce in this age of leading politicians taking £5m in secret straight cash from offshore tycoons and bending policy to suit.
Rayner was poor today. No guile, no comedy, just sucking up to Burnham. I am leaning towards the tight suited Streeting
Leaders aren't necessarily the engine room of a government. I can easily see Labour going for a uninspiring captain and hoping that their real intellectuals (they think, but obviously don't have) drive the agenda.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
According to the rules, yes.
But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.
But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
Not sure. Ed Miliband maybe. Some baggage there though.
Fwiw I don't see why Rayner can't go for it, HMRC or no HMRC. That's a burger of very little with no sauce in this age of leading politicians taking £5m in secret straight cash from offshore tycoons and bending policy to suit.
Rayner was poor today. No guile, no comedy, just sucking up to Burnham. I am leaning towards the tight suited Streeting
Leaders aren't necessarily the engine room of a government. I can easily see Labour going for a uninspiring captain and hoping that their real intellectuals (they think, but obviously don't have) drive the agenda.
You do need someone to co-ordinate those people however.
Many Labour MPs see Andy Burnham as the prince across the water who can beat Farage.
But don't underestimate those who really aren't fans, including this Cabinet Minister, who tells me:
"People forget just how useless Andy Burnham was in Westminster. He ran two dire leadership campaigns. He was the last one to leave Corbyn’s shadow cabinet only when he saw the writing on the wall. He then went up to Manchester and now wants to come trotting back with the leadership gift-wrapped for him."
Burnham’s performance as Manchester mayor is arguably a better way to demonstrate that he could do the job than being an unnamed cabinet minster.
Yes, his ‘fuck the bond markets’ interjection a while back shows a wisdom greater than his years.
If Skyr goes I'm going to miss hating him. I enjoyed hating him
Come on, we should really save “hate” for Putin and the Ayatollahs.
We can dislike the PM, think he’s not up to the job and should really resign, but talk of hating people leads to wider societal problems. See the US for more details.
I’ve explained this. I’m not proud of hating Starmer and it’s definitely an emotion I strive to avoid. A waste of moral energy. Few people deserve hatred
Nonetheless I struggle to find a word that better describes my deep reflexive angry and violent contempt for Skyr
And it seems this is shared by millions of Brits
It will be a relief when he’s gone and I don’t need to experience these dark feelings
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
According to the rules, yes.
But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.
But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
Not sure. Ed Miliband maybe. Some baggage there though.
Fwiw I don't see why Rayner can't go for it, HMRC or no HMRC. That's a burger of very little with no sauce in this age of leading politicians taking £5m in secret straight cash from offshore tycoons and bending policy to suit.
Rayner was poor today. No guile, no comedy, just sucking up to Burnham. I am leaning towards the tight suited Streeting
The 81 don't have to have a candidate. They have to have sufficient numbers especially if topped up with some PPSs and junior ministers that the Cabinet conclude Skyr has to be forced into accepting an orderly departure when they meet tomorrow.
As Lillico pointed out earlier - by chance 81 is around the figure needed to bring him down in a proper commons confidence vote
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
According to the rules, yes.
But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.
But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
Not sure. Ed Miliband maybe. Some baggage there though.
Fwiw I don't see why Rayner can't go for it, HMRC or no HMRC. That's a burger of very little with no sauce in this age of leading politicians taking £5m in secret straight cash from offshore tycoons and bending policy to suit.
Rayner was poor today. No guile, no comedy, just sucking up to Burnham. I am leaning towards the tight suited Streeting
Leaders aren't necessarily the engine room of a government. I can easily see Labour going for a uninspiring captain and hoping that their real intellectuals (they think, but obviously don't have) drive the agenda.
"The Scottish Greens MSP who won their Holyrood seat on a student visa has said they have applied for a graduate visa which will let them stay in the UK for the next three years.
"Q Manivannan, a Tamil Indian who recently gained a PhD from St Andrews University and identifies as trans, was elected to the Scottish parliament last Friday on the Edinburgh and Lothians East regional list, helping the Scottish Greens win a record 15 seats.
"Despite having no UK citizenship or permanent residency, Manivannan was allowed to stand for Holyrood under recent rule changes which allow anyone living in Scotland to contest devolved elections."
This is a very dangerous moment in British politics..
Hold into nurse for fear of something even worse holds true.
Don't worry,we are fine. There is absolutely no chance Farage or Badenoch become Prime Minister.
They would be surprising choices for next Labour Party leader, to say the least.
Never say never.
Well, these things are often more about whom the MPs don't want than whom they do want. I suppose the not-Burnham clique and the not-Streeting claque might in extremis end up uniting on having Kemi Badenoch in charge.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
According to the rules, yes.
But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.
But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
Not sure. Ed Miliband maybe. Some baggage there though.
Fwiw I don't see why Rayner can't go for it, HMRC or no HMRC. That's a burger of very little with no sauce in this age of leading politicians taking £5m in secret straight cash from offshore tycoons and bending policy to suit.
Rayner was poor today. No guile, no comedy, just sucking up to Burnham. I am leaning towards the tight suited Streeting
The 81 don't have to have a candidate. They have to have sufficient numbers especially if topped up with some PPSs and junior ministers that the Cabinet conclude Skyr has to be forced into accepting an orderly departure when they meet tomorrow.
As Lillico pointed out earlier - by chance 81 is around the figure needed to bring him down in a proper commons confidence vote
Labour List is keeping a running tally of MPs' positions which currently has 62 Labour MPs calling for Starmer to go now or to announce a timetable for departure, 71 backing Starmer, with the rest remaining silent (as yet.) Updated at 6.20pm. The dam has indeed broken.
That Starmer would quit very soon after the local elections.
I mean there were three options - he'd quit soon after, he'd quit some later time after, or he'd not quit - so I wouldn't acclaim them the world's greatest prognosticator without a little more specificity.
With the yield on 10-year UK government bonds staring down the barrel of a 5% handle, traders are laser-focused on four "internal" questions that will likely dictate the near-term outlook for Gilts: 1. Will Sir Keir Starmer’s premiership survive the fallout from last Thursday’s local elections? If not, 2. Who takes the keys to Number 10? 3. Is the transition orderly, or will it be a period of prolonged volatility? 4. Does Rachel Reeves remain at the Treasury to guard fiscal discipline? In a market this sensitive, the domestic “political risk premium” is dominating the external (energy/supply chain) influence.
That Starmer would quit very soon after the local elections.
I mean there were three options - he'd quit soon after, he'd quit some later time after, or he'd not quit - so I wouldn't acclaim them the world's greatest prognosticator without a little more specificity.
Well, many here were saying he’d fight a leadership challenge. My source was very clear he’d quit instead, with Burnham or Streeting taking over.
That Starmer would quit very soon after the local elections.
I mean there were three options - he'd quit soon after, he'd quit some later time after, or he'd not quit - so I wouldn't acclaim them the world's greatest prognosticator without a little more specificity.
Well, many here were saying he’d fight a leadership challenge. My source was very clear he’d quit instead, with Burnham or Streeting taking over.
Fair enough, there was a fourth option - there would be a challenge. Even so.
Labour List is keeping a running tally of MPs' positions which currently has 62 Labour MPs calling for Starmer to go now or to announce a timetable for departure, 71 backing Starmer, with the rest remaining silent (as yet.) Updated at 6.20pm. The dam has indeed broken.
The majority of backbenchers who have expressed an opinion either way have called on Starmer to go as opposed to backing him.
However, amongst the few frontbenchers who have called on him to go, there are some interesting dynamics emerging.
eg. Sally Jameson, PPS - calling on Starmer to set a timetable for his departure and for the NEC to set a timetable that allows all potential candidates to stand Emma Reynolds, Secretary of State for Environment Food and Rural Affairs - publically backing Starmer Sally Jameson is Emma Reynolds' PPS. Emma Reynolds is notoriously short tempered. Flies are rapidly building up on the wall of Reynolds' office in anticipation.
The thread header is right to remind us of Brown and the price Labour MPs paid for their failure to act against him. But the history of their party and its structures are against them. Its really, really hard to remove a sitting Labour PM unless they choose to go. And Starmer is digging in. Tough times for Labour. Tough times for the country they purport to govern.
Exc: Row breaks out among 2024 Labour MPs over whether to challenge Keir Starmer, leaked WhatsApps reveal.
Natasha Irons: "Bottom line, changing leader because Nigel Farage has forced us to is not something any of us can come back from. Anyone who thinks we can needs to wake up."
Peter Lamb: "Anyone who thinks this is sustainable needs an MRI."
Laurence Turner: "We get enough insults on our socials. Let's leave them out here."
Nesil Caliskan - a whip - says: "This is really rude."
Bridget Phillipson it’s your time to shine ! Anyone but Miliband .
I quite like milliband
He failed once and that should be the end . If he ends up as PM they will be obliterated at the next GE .
I know it's the modern fashion but the UK does have a long history of PMs, several highly rated, who have lost a GE and become PM later
I'm not saying Ed M would be one, but they let Corbyn have 2 goes FFS, and it would really annoy the PB luddites.
Labour were stupid to allow Corbyn two goes and shouldn’t repeat the mistake . And Miliband is a backstabbing Judas who set the train in motion towards Brexit . Cameron would not have got that majority if David Miliband had won the leadership.
(((Dan Hodges))) @DPJHodges · 59s The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.
The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.
Edit: or are these all Streeters?
According to the rules, yes.
But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.
But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
Not sure. Ed Miliband maybe. Some baggage there though.
Fwiw I don't see why Rayner can't go for it, HMRC or no HMRC. That's a burger of very little with no sauce in this age of leading politicians taking £5m in secret straight cash from offshore tycoons and bending policy to suit.
Rayner was poor today. No guile, no comedy, just sucking up to Burnham. I am leaning towards the tight suited Streeting
The 81 don't have to have a candidate. They have to have sufficient numbers especially if topped up with some PPSs and junior ministers that the Cabinet conclude Skyr has to be forced into accepting an orderly departure when they meet tomorrow.
As Lillico pointed out earlier - by chance 81 is around the figure needed to bring him down in a proper commons confidence vote
Even the ingenue red wall Labour MPs aren't stupid enough to vote against their own Govt in a confidence vote.... well not all of them surely
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Edit: or are these all Streeters?
No way Starmer is going to hang around for 5 months and wave the backstabbing Judas into No 10.
Another half-dozen PPSs expected to quit tonight
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_length_of_tenure
Well done Wes for SHOWING some CULLIONS
So it will be Streeting V Rayner V Miliband maybe?
C'mon WES. let's get this done
But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.
But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
The same is true with this farce. Media types and anoraks love the long playing out over days, weeks, months, years. Keeps PB on the simmer.
They’re expecting Starmer to hang around for 5 months as a lame duck .
Starmer has no shame. For that matter neither does Burnham.
“ The Aberdeen ministry was filled with powerful and talented politicians, whom Aberdeen was largely unable to control and direct.”
Well; the second part of that is definitely similar. Definitely not the first.
Hold into nurse for fear of something even worse holds true.
Come on, Keir! I love an underdog.
He did claim in the Telegraph the other day that he had 81 MPs ready to go over the top, maybe it was true
If Streeting manages to topple Skyr this week, by actually displaying some courage, then he deserves the top prize just for bravery. Doing what everyone else was too frit to do. And that also augurs well for a potential premiership. Perhaps he actually has brains and courage
We can but hope
She led in the polls for most of that time for a start.
If Skyr goes I'm going to miss hating him. I enjoyed hating him
Fwiw I don't see why Rayner can't go for it, HMRC or no HMRC. That's a burger of very little with no sauce in this age of leading politicians taking £5m in secret straight cash from offshore tycoons and bending policy to suit.
"The Scottish Greens MSP who won their Holyrood seat on a student visa has said they have applied for a graduate visa which will let them stay in the UK for the next three years.
"Q Manivannan, a Tamil Indian who recently gained a PhD from St Andrews University and identifies as trans, was elected to the Scottish parliament last Friday on the Edinburgh and Lothians East regional list, helping the Scottish Greens win a record 15 seats.
"Despite having no UK citizenship or permanent residency, Manivannan was allowed to stand for Holyrood under recent rule changes which allow anyone living in Scotland to contest devolved elections."
£78k plus expenses.
Do the junior ministers resign before Cabinet tomorrow morning, and the Secretaries of State afterwards?
Meanwhile, what the Hell is the Palace thinking, 40 hours out from the King’s Speech?
https://labourlist.org/2026/05/labourlist-labour-mp-starmer-resignation-tracker/
Quite elfin?
https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,scottish-greens-msp-q-manivannan-defends-election-amidst-visa-row
We can dislike the PM, think he’s not up to the job and should really resign, but talk of hating people leads to wider societal problems. See the US for more details.
@Leon_VotedForStarmer will be dusting off his vuvuzela along with the rest of Marshall's shills
Thus it's David Lammy!
Nonetheless I struggle to find a word that better describes my deep reflexive angry and violent contempt for Skyr
And it seems this is shared by millions of Brits
It will be a relief when he’s gone and I don’t need to experience these dark feelings
It's not so much that they have been eviscerated in the council elections. It's who's doing the eviscerating.
If it was the LibDems, or Greens, or even Tories, well that's not great, but stuff happens. Life goes on.
It's the fact that it is the Faragists, who Labour MPs genuinely consider to be Fascists, with a capital F. It's like Mussolini marching on Rome.
#subtlepunning.
As Lillico pointed out earlier - by chance 81 is around the figure needed to bring him down in a proper commons confidence vote
Points for style.
@elerianm
With the yield on 10-year UK government bonds staring down the barrel of a 5% handle, traders are laser-focused on four "internal" questions that will likely dictate the near-term outlook for Gilts:
1. Will Sir Keir Starmer’s premiership survive the fallout from last Thursday’s local elections?
If not,
2. Who takes the keys to Number 10?
3. Is the transition orderly, or will it be a period of prolonged volatility?
4. Does Rachel Reeves remain at the Treasury to guard fiscal discipline?
In a market this sensitive, the domestic “political risk premium” is dominating the external (energy/supply chain) influence.
#economy #markets #uk #bonds #gilts
https://x.com/elerianm/status/2053871629789184501
I'm not saying Ed M would be one, but they let Corbyn have 2 goes FFS, and it would really annoy the PB luddites.
Burnham has fucked it.
https://x.com/danbloom1/status/2053885794801091072
EXCL: Labour officials are now less likely to block Andy Burnham from returning to parliament, a member of the party’s ruling body has suggested
Abdi Duale said NEC officers are "reassessing" their old loyalties, e.g. to Keir Starmer, because "this is now terminal for the party"
However, amongst the few frontbenchers who have called on him to go, there are some interesting dynamics emerging.
eg.
Sally Jameson, PPS - calling on Starmer to set a timetable for his departure and for the NEC to set a timetable that allows all potential candidates to stand
Emma Reynolds, Secretary of State for Environment Food and Rural Affairs - publically backing Starmer
Sally Jameson is Emma Reynolds' PPS. Emma Reynolds is notoriously short tempered. Flies are rapidly building up on the wall of Reynolds' office in anticipation.
https://labourlist.org/2026/05/labourlist-labour-mp-starmer-resignation-tracker/
Exc: Row breaks out among 2024 Labour MPs over whether to challenge Keir Starmer, leaked WhatsApps reveal.
Natasha Irons: "Bottom line, changing leader because Nigel Farage has forced us to is not something any of us can come back from. Anyone who thinks we can needs to wake up."
Peter Lamb: "Anyone who thinks this is sustainable needs an MRI."
Laurence Turner: "We get enough insults on our socials. Let's leave them out here."
Nesil Caliskan - a whip - says: "This is really rude."
You can lay Burnham for 3.9