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  • https://x.com/BethRigby/status/2053882395623899323

    BREAKING: Sally Jameson, a PPS in the Home Office, has called on PM to set timetable to stand down, and Tom Rutland, Emma Reynolds PPS has just resigned

    This does sound like, belatedly, it
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,752
    edited May 11

    https://x.com/PronouncedAlva/status/2053881827702493320

    Joe Morris, Wes Streeting's PPS, has just called his whip to resign

    The dam is breaking
    Very good from Helen Whateley earlier who compared Starmer's hatred from the voters on Thursday with Kemi's success.
    What has that to do with anything
    Helen Whateley on LBC made the comparison. Is she wrong? It's relative and it is comparatively true.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,677
    edited May 11

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
  • Oh God I must change my avatar back. It was a joke but I can't even bear seeing Starmer's face in a tiny disc on a screen
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320
    So the great Burnham master plan looks like it’s imploded !

    No way Starmer is going to hang around for 5 months and wave the backstabbing Judas into No 10.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    edited May 11

    Oh God I must change my avatar back. It was a joke but I can't even bear seeing Starmer's face in a tiny disc on a screen

    You must be used to seeing a tiny di.. oh wait you said tiny disc.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352

    Oh God I must change my avatar back. It was a joke but I can't even bear seeing Starmer's face in a tiny disc on a screen

    Is that Jade whatshername in the new icon?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    https://x.com/patrickkmaguire/status/2053885706888507824

    Another half-dozen PPSs expected to quit tonight
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,553
    edited May 11
    FWIW, SKS is about two months off making it to two years. If he can hang on for three months, he could make it past the Earl of Aberdeen in length of tenure, though heaven knows why that should be his yardstick.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_length_of_tenure
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    edited May 11
    nico67 said:

    So the great Burnham master plan looks like it’s imploded !

    No way Starmer is going to hang around for 5 months and wave the backstabbing Judas into No 10.

    Burnham must be going nuts; hahahahah twat, he made his ambition and greed all too obvious

    Well done Wes for SHOWING some CULLIONS

    So it will be Streeting V Rayner V Miliband maybe?
  • Oh God I must change my avatar back. It was a joke but I can't even bear seeing Starmer's face in a tiny disc on a screen

    Is that Jade whatshername in the new icon?
    It's actually a portrait, fantastical, of someone I know. So, no, not Jade Botterill, appealing as she is

    C'mon WES. let's get this done

  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,860
    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,878
    nico67 said:

    So the great Burnham master plan looks like it’s imploded !

    No way Starmer is going to hang around for 5 months and wave the backstabbing Judas into No 10.

    Burnham is an idiot. If he does have support amongst Labour MPs then they're ever dafter. The wise thing to do (for the country) is stick with Starmer - he's useless, but not as bad as the rest. The wise thing to do from a Labour perspective is to stick with Starmer - he's useless, but he's better than the exposed laundry that might be a contest. In fact there's no sensible basis on which to replace Starmer with any other Labour politician. Thus I conclude he'll be forced out.

  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,553
    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    Oh good, just what the Labour Party needs - a North London MP and ex-student union leader. The red wall will rejoice. Labour MPs from Wigan and Tameside and Wakefield will be breathing a sigh of relief.
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 17,428
    dixiedean said:

    Thing about Hamlet is that almost all the major characters end up dead in a few hours.
    One way to break the impasse I guess.

    As my English teacher told us 54 years ago about how to explain Hamlet's delay: "No delay, no play".

    The same is true with this farce. Media types and anoraks love the long playing out over days, weeks, months, years. Keeps PB on the simmer.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320

    nico67 said:

    So the great Burnham master plan looks like it’s imploded !

    No way Starmer is going to hang around for 5 months and wave the backstabbing Judas into No 10.

    Burnham must be going nuts; hahahahah twat, he made his ambition and greed all too obvious

    Well done Wes for SHOWING some CULLIONS

    So it will be Streeting V Rayner V Miliband maybe?
    Some of these Labour PPSs who’ve resigned are just clueless. If they wanted Andy Burnham they needed to wait it out .

    They’re expecting Starmer to hang around for 5 months as a lame duck .
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,752
    edited May 11
    This is Boris Johnson, Pinchergate level, off the charts comedy, unfortunately.

    Starmer has no shame. For that matter neither does Burnham.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132
    Cookie said:

    FWIW, SKS is about two months off making it to two years. If he can hang on for three months, he could make it past the Earl of Aberdeen in length of tenure, though heaven knows why that should be his yardstick.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prime_ministers_of_the_United_Kingdom_by_length_of_tenure

    From Wikipedia:

    “ The Aberdeen ministry was filled with powerful and talented politicians, whom Aberdeen was largely unable to control and direct.”

    Well; the second part of that is definitely similar. Definitely not the first.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,959
    This is a very dangerous moment in British politics..

    Hold into nurse for fear of something even worse holds true.
  • kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
    But Rayner isn't ruled out? She's just reputationally hampered by the HMRC thing. Unless there is some arcane rule about tax allegations in the Labour playbook. Which there may be
  • Big_IanBig_Ian Posts: 92

    nico67 said:

    So the great Burnham master plan looks like it’s imploded !

    No way Starmer is going to hang around for 5 months and wave the backstabbing Judas into No 10.

    Burnham must be going nuts; hahahahah twat, he made his ambition and greed all too obvious

    Well done Wes for SHOWING some CULLIONS

    So it will be Streeting V Rayner V Miliband maybe?
    Burnham is still favourite. Maybe lay.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    The PM made it through the day yet?

    Come on, Keir! I love an underdog.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    Umming and ahhing about going on a holiday from this evening.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,139

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
    I don't think Rayner is out of it, she obviously won't be first mover due to her HMRC stuff but once the game is afoot led by say Streeting I reckon she can join
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,132

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
    It’s belatedly time for that Chaos With Ed Miliband!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    Oh good, just what the Labour Party needs - a North London MP and ex-student union leader. The red wall will rejoice. Labour MPs from Wigan and Tameside and Wakefield will be breathing a sigh of relief.
    Well, you don't need to be from the Red Wall to appeal to the Red Wall - Boris and Farage proved that - but whilst I think Streeting is ok I don't see broad appeal in him.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,677
    edited May 11
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    Oh good, just what the Labour Party needs - a North London MP and ex-student union leader. The red wall will rejoice. Labour MPs from Wigan and Tameside and Wakefield will be breathing a sigh of relief.
    I think he might be good generally, both policy and comms. In any case, and I know this verges on heresy, it's not all about the red wall.
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 7,936
    Who here called Starmer “good at words” in August 2017?
  • nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    So the great Burnham master plan looks like it’s imploded !

    No way Starmer is going to hang around for 5 months and wave the backstabbing Judas into No 10.

    Burnham must be going nuts; hahahahah twat, he made his ambition and greed all too obvious

    Well done Wes for SHOWING some CULLIONS

    So it will be Streeting V Rayner V Miliband maybe?
    Some of these Labour PPSs who’ve resigned are just clueless. If they wanted Andy Burnham they needed to wait it out .

    They’re expecting Starmer to hang around for 5 months as a lame duck .
    But isn't the assumption that they are all Streeters? Or Wezzers?

    He did claim in the Telegraph the other day that he had 81 MPs ready to go over the top, maybe it was true

    If Streeting manages to topple Skyr this week, by actually displaying some courage, then he deserves the top prize just for bravery. Doing what everyone else was too frit to do. And that also augurs well for a potential premiership. Perhaps he actually has brains and courage

    We can but hope
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,752

    Umming and ahhing about going on a holiday from this evening.

    It's a Labour psychodrama. Take three months off. Starmer will still be making awful speeches.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
    But Rayner isn't ruled out? She's just reputationally hampered by the HMRC thing. Unless there is some arcane rule about tax allegations in the Labour playbook. Which there may be
    You can’t have the new PM walking into No 10 and then given a HMRC penalty . She needs the matter cleared up before . I fear this could all unravel and Ed Miliband ends up by default as PM !
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,566
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    Oh good, just what the Labour Party needs - a North London MP and ex-student union leader. The red wall will rejoice. Labour MPs from Wigan and Tameside and Wakefield will be breathing a sigh of relief.
    Since when has Ilford been in North London.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,553
    kle4 said:

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    Oh good, just what the Labour Party needs - a North London MP and ex-student union leader. The red wall will rejoice. Labour MPs from Wigan and Tameside and Wakefield will be breathing a sigh of relief.
    Well, you don't need to be from the Red Wall to appeal to the Red Wall - Boris and Farage proved that - but whilst I think Streeting is ok I don't see broad appeal in him.
    No, that's fair. But Labour does seem rather fond of men either from or representing North London.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    So the great Burnham master plan looks like it’s imploded !

    No way Starmer is going to hang around for 5 months and wave the backstabbing Judas into No 10.

    Burnham must be going nuts; hahahahah twat, he made his ambition and greed all too obvious

    Well done Wes for SHOWING some CULLIONS

    So it will be Streeting V Rayner V Miliband maybe?
    Some of these Labour PPSs who’ve resigned are just clueless. If they wanted Andy Burnham they needed to wait it out .

    They’re expecting Starmer to hang around for 5 months as a lame duck .
    May did. But there were very particular circumstances that won't be repeated.

    She led in the polls for most of that time for a start.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,752

    This is a very dangerous moment in British politics..

    Hold into nurse for fear of something even worse holds true.

    Don't worry,we are fine. There is absolutely no chance Farage or Badenoch become Prime Minister.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,139
    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
    But Rayner isn't ruled out? She's just reputationally hampered by the HMRC thing. Unless there is some arcane rule about tax allegations in the Labour playbook. Which there may be
    You can’t have the new PM walking into No 10 and then given a HMRC penalty . She needs the matter cleared up before . I fear this could all unravel and Ed Miliband ends up by default as PM !
    It's not ideal but I don't think it's the candidacy ender you're implying
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320
    Bridget Phillipson it’s your time to shine ! Anyone but Miliband .
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858

    HYUFD said:

    Sandpit said:

    So no-one has actually resigned from the government yet, it’s all just backbenchers realising they’re going to be one-term MPs.

    Indeed and unless their numbers grow from the current 50 to 80, the number required to nominate a challenger for the Labour leadership, then Sir Keir can ignore them too
    55 mps plus 3 PPS and according to Beth Rigby they are co-ordinated resignations
    If they get to 80 Starmer should just do a John Major 'Put up or shut up, back me or sack me' and prepare for a leadership challenge against whoever comes forward. Rayner the John Redwood to Streeting's Portillo and Burnham's unavailable Heseltine?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    edited May 11

    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    Oh good, just what the Labour Party needs - a North London MP and ex-student union leader. The red wall will rejoice. Labour MPs from Wigan and Tameside and Wakefield will be breathing a sigh of relief.
    Since when has Ilford been in North London.
    North of the river is enough for those not of the city.
  • nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
    But Rayner isn't ruled out? She's just reputationally hampered by the HMRC thing. Unless there is some arcane rule about tax allegations in the Labour playbook. Which there may be
    You can’t have the new PM walking into No 10 and then given a HMRC penalty . She needs the matter cleared up before . I fear this could all unravel and Ed Miliband ends up by default as PM !
    A fair point. It's defimitely unideal. But I still don't think it rules her out entirely, it's just a big drag on her appeal
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,858

    This is a very dangerous moment in British politics..

    Hold into nurse for fear of something even worse holds true.

    Don't worry,we are fine. There is absolutely no chance Farage or Badenoch become Prime Minister.
    If Starmer stays PM by the next general election Farage may as well start measuring the curtains for No 10
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    edited May 11
    OOOH I do love a good assassination

    If Skyr goes I'm going to miss hating him. I enjoyed hating him
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,752
    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
    But Rayner isn't ruled out? She's just reputationally hampered by the HMRC thing. Unless there is some arcane rule about tax allegations in the Labour playbook. Which there may be
    You can’t have the new PM walking into No 10 and then given a HMRC penalty . She needs the matter cleared up before . I fear this could all unravel and Ed Miliband ends up by default as PM !
    Rayner has been very underwhelming today. She hasn't grasped the moment at all.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
    But Rayner isn't ruled out? She's just reputationally hampered by the HMRC thing. Unless there is some arcane rule about tax allegations in the Labour playbook. Which there may be
    You can’t have the new PM walking into No 10 and then given a HMRC penalty . She needs the matter cleared up before . I fear this could all unravel and Ed Miliband ends up by default as PM !
    A fair point. It's defimitely unideal. But I still don't think it rules her out entirely, it's just a big drag on her appeal
    I’m a big fan of Rayner . But I’m not the audience she needs to attract and the opposition and most of the press will pummel her over the tax issue .

  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794

    nico67 said:

    So the great Burnham master plan looks like it’s imploded !

    No way Starmer is going to hang around for 5 months and wave the backstabbing Judas into No 10.

    Burnham must be going nuts; hahahahah twat, he made his ambition and greed all too obvious

    Well done Wes for SHOWING some CULLIONS

    So it will be Streeting V Rayner V Miliband maybe?
    Burnham didn't go for parliament in 2024 and that puts him at a procedural disadvantage. That was a tactical choice and he may rue it, but others playing the game don't have to wait for him to enter it.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,677

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
    Not sure. Ed Miliband maybe. Some baggage there though.

    Fwiw I don't see why Rayner can't go for it, HMRC or no HMRC. That's a burger of very little with no sauce in this age of leading politicians taking £5m in secret straight cash from offshore tycoons and bending policy to suit.
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,811
    One to warm the heart cockles of @Leon_VotedForStarmer

    "The Scottish Greens MSP who won their Holyrood seat on a student visa has said they have applied for a graduate visa which will let them stay in the UK for the next three years.

    "Q Manivannan, a Tamil Indian who recently gained a PhD from St Andrews University and identifies as trans, was elected to the Scottish parliament last Friday on the Edinburgh and Lothians East regional list, helping the Scottish Greens win a record 15 seats.

    "Despite having no UK citizenship or permanent residency, Manivannan was allowed to stand for Holyrood under recent rule changes which allow anyone living in Scotland to contest devolved elections."

    £78k plus expenses.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    Pulpstar said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
    But Rayner isn't ruled out? She's just reputationally hampered by the HMRC thing. Unless there is some arcane rule about tax allegations in the Labour playbook. Which there may be
    You can’t have the new PM walking into No 10 and then given a HMRC penalty . She needs the matter cleared up before . I fear this could all unravel and Ed Miliband ends up by default as PM !
    It's not ideal but I don't think it's the candidacy ender you're implying
    It's worth a gamble from her perspective. It at least gives her influence and a shout at a prime gig even if the risk means she doesn't get it.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,553
    HYUFD said:

    This is a very dangerous moment in British politics..

    Hold into nurse for fear of something even worse holds true.

    Don't worry,we are fine. There is absolutely no chance Farage or Badenoch become Prime Minister.
    If Starmer stays PM by the next general election Farage may as well start measuring the curtains for No 10
    Do Prime Ministers have to bring their own curtains?!
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,680
    Ooh, so now a handful of PPS resignations, but still no ministers.

    Do the junior ministers resign before Cabinet tomorrow morning, and the Secretaries of State afterwards?

    Meanwhile, what the Hell is the Palace thinking, 40 hours out from the King’s Speech?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794

    This is a very dangerous moment in British politics..

    Hold into nurse for fear of something even worse holds true.

    Don't worry,we are fine. There is absolutely no chance Farage or Badenoch become Prime Minister.
    Not right now.
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 5,542
    nico67 said:

    Bridget Phillipson it’s your time to shine ! Anyone but Miliband .

    I quite like milliband
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    Sandpit said:

    Ooh, so now a handful of PPS resignations, but still no ministers.

    Do the junior ministers resign before Cabinet tomorrow morning, and the Secretaries of State afterwards?

    Meanwhile, what the Hell is the Palace thinking, 40 hours out from the King’s Speech?

    "I announce my new Prime Minister...Prince William".
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,207
    Labour List is keeping a running tally of MPs' positions which currently has 62 Labour MPs calling for Starmer to go now or to announce a timetable for departure, 71 backing Starmer, with the rest remaining silent (as yet.) Updated at 6.20pm. The dam has indeed broken.

    https://labourlist.org/2026/05/labourlist-labour-mp-starmer-resignation-tracker/

  • TazTaz Posts: 28,093

    https://x.com/jackelsom/status/2053860042286211282

    Many Labour MPs see Andy Burnham as the prince across the water who can beat Farage.

    But don't underestimate those who really aren't fans, including this Cabinet Minister, who tells me:

    "People forget just how useless Andy Burnham was in Westminster. He ran two dire leadership campaigns. He was the last one to leave Corbyn’s shadow cabinet only when he saw the writing on the wall. He then went up to Manchester and now wants to come trotting back with the leadership gift-wrapped for him."

    Burnham’s performance as Manchester mayor is arguably a better way to demonstrate that he could do the job than being an unnamed cabinet minster.
    Yes, his ‘fuck the bond markets’ interjection a while back shows a wisdom greater than his years.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320

    nico67 said:

    Bridget Phillipson it’s your time to shine ! Anyone but Miliband .

    I quite like milliband
    He failed once and that should be the end . If he ends up as PM they will be obliterated at the next GE .
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,553

    This is a very dangerous moment in British politics..

    Hold into nurse for fear of something even worse holds true.

    Don't worry,we are fine. There is absolutely no chance Farage or Badenoch become Prime Minister.
    They would be surprising choices for next Labour Party leader, to say the least.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,677

    This is a very dangerous moment in British politics..

    Hold into nurse for fear of something even worse holds true.

    Well get behind Keir then, Root! Let's have some positive endorsement from you. Eg what are his top3 qualities iyo?
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,811

    One to warm the heart cockles of @Leon_VotedForStarmer

    "The Scottish Greens MSP who won their Holyrood seat on a student visa has said they have applied for a graduate visa which will let them stay in the UK for the next three years.

    "Q Manivannan, a Tamil Indian who recently gained a PhD from St Andrews University and identifies as trans, was elected to the Scottish parliament last Friday on the Edinburgh and Lothians East regional list, helping the Scottish Greens win a record 15 seats.

    "Despite having no UK citizenship or permanent residency, Manivannan was allowed to stand for Holyrood under recent rule changes which allow anyone living in Scotland to contest devolved elections."

    £78k plus expenses.

    Actually @Leon_VotedForStarmer should check Q out.

    Quite elfin?

    https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,scottish-greens-msp-q-manivannan-defends-election-amidst-visa-row
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,752
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
    Not sure. Ed Miliband maybe. Some baggage there though.

    Fwiw I don't see why Rayner can't go for it, HMRC or no HMRC. That's a burger of very little with no sauce in this age of leading politicians taking £5m in secret straight cash from offshore tycoons and bending policy to suit.
    Rayner was poor today. No guile, no comedy, just sucking up to Burnham. I am leaning towards the tight suited Streeting
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,680
    edited May 11

    OOOH I do love a good assassination

    If Skyr goes I'm going to miss hating him. I enjoyed hating him

    Come on, we should really save “hate” for Putin and the Ayatollahs.

    We can dislike the PM, think he’s not up to the job and should really resign, but talk of hating people leads to wider societal problems. See the US for more details.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,177

    One to warm the heart cockles of @Leon_VotedForStarmer

    "The Scottish Greens MSP who won their Holyrood seat on a student visa has said they have applied for a graduate visa which will let them stay in the UK for the next three years.

    "Q Manivannan, a Tamil Indian who recently gained a PhD from St Andrews University and identifies as trans, was elected to the Scottish parliament last Friday on the Edinburgh and Lothians East regional list, helping the Scottish Greens win a record 15 seats.

    "Despite having no UK citizenship or permanent residency, Manivannan was allowed to stand for Holyrood under recent rule changes which allow anyone living in Scotland to contest devolved elections."

    £78k plus expenses.

    Actually @Leon_VotedForStarmer should check Q out.

    Quite elfin?

    https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,scottish-greens-msp-q-manivannan-defends-election-amidst-visa-row
    Lovely Adam’s apple. I think old Leon might get a shock
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,752
    Sandpit said:

    OOOH I do love a good assassination

    If Skyr goes I'm going to miss hating him. I enjoyed hating him

    Come on, we should really save “hate” for Putin and the Ayatollahs.

    We can dislike the PM, think he’s not up to the job and should really resign, but talk of hating people leads to wider societal problems.
    Don't be silly. Our PM after next, Farage considers Putin to be an impressive political operator. He doesn't think Starmer is a patch on Putin.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,133
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
    But Rayner isn't ruled out? She's just reputationally hampered by the HMRC thing. Unless there is some arcane rule about tax allegations in the Labour playbook. Which there may be
    You can’t have the new PM walking into No 10 and then given a HMRC penalty . She needs the matter cleared up before . I fear this could all unravel and Ed Miliband ends up by default as PM !
    A fair point. It's defimitely unideal. But I still don't think it rules her out entirely, it's just a big drag on her appeal
    I’m a big fan of Rayner . But I’m not the audience she needs to attract and the opposition and most of the press will pummel her over the tax issue .

    MSM reaction to Farage / Johnson massive undeclared bung, tumbleweed, Rayner HMRC penalty, cacophony

    @Leon_VotedForStarmer will be dusting off his vuvuzela along with the rest of Marshall's shills
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 7,959

    Who here called Starmer “good at words” in August 2017?

    Not me
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,677

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
    Not sure. Ed Miliband maybe. Some baggage there though.

    Fwiw I don't see why Rayner can't go for it, HMRC or no HMRC. That's a burger of very little with no sauce in this age of leading politicians taking £5m in secret straight cash from offshore tycoons and bending policy to suit.
    Rayner was poor today. No guile, no comedy, just sucking up to Burnham. I am leaning towards the tight suited Streeting
    Yay. I agree. There's a feeling I get when I look to the Wes.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 12,878

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
    Not sure. Ed Miliband maybe. Some baggage there though.

    Fwiw I don't see why Rayner can't go for it, HMRC or no HMRC. That's a burger of very little with no sauce in this age of leading politicians taking £5m in secret straight cash from offshore tycoons and bending policy to suit.
    Rayner was poor today. No guile, no comedy, just sucking up to Burnham. I am leaning towards the tight suited Streeting
    Leaders aren't necessarily the engine room of a government. I can easily see Labour going for a uninspiring captain and hoping that their real intellectuals (they think, but obviously don't have) drive the agenda.

    Thus it's David Lammy!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,752
    Cookie said:

    This is a very dangerous moment in British politics..

    Hold into nurse for fear of something even worse holds true.

    Don't worry,we are fine. There is absolutely no chance Farage or Badenoch become Prime Minister.
    They would be surprising choices for next Labour Party leader, to say the least.
    Never say never.
  • Heh my source is looking VERY accurate
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794
    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
    Not sure. Ed Miliband maybe. Some baggage there though.

    Fwiw I don't see why Rayner can't go for it, HMRC or no HMRC. That's a burger of very little with no sauce in this age of leading politicians taking £5m in secret straight cash from offshore tycoons and bending policy to suit.
    Rayner was poor today. No guile, no comedy, just sucking up to Burnham. I am leaning towards the tight suited Streeting
    Leaders aren't necessarily the engine room of a government. I can easily see Labour going for a uninspiring captain and hoping that their real intellectuals (they think, but obviously don't have) drive the agenda.
    You do need someone to co-ordinate those people however.
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    edited May 11
    Taz said:

    https://x.com/jackelsom/status/2053860042286211282

    Many Labour MPs see Andy Burnham as the prince across the water who can beat Farage.

    But don't underestimate those who really aren't fans, including this Cabinet Minister, who tells me:

    "People forget just how useless Andy Burnham was in Westminster. He ran two dire leadership campaigns. He was the last one to leave Corbyn’s shadow cabinet only when he saw the writing on the wall. He then went up to Manchester and now wants to come trotting back with the leadership gift-wrapped for him."

    Burnham’s performance as Manchester mayor is arguably a better way to demonstrate that he could do the job than being an unnamed cabinet minster.
    Yes, his ‘fuck the bond markets’ interjection a while back shows a wisdom greater than his years.
    Sandpit said:

    OOOH I do love a good assassination

    If Skyr goes I'm going to miss hating him. I enjoyed hating him

    Come on, we should really save “hate” for Putin and the Ayatollahs.

    We can dislike the PM, think he’s not up to the job and should really resign, but talk of hating people leads to wider societal problems. See the US for more details.
    I’ve explained this. I’m not proud of hating Starmer and it’s definitely an emotion I strive to avoid. A waste of moral energy. Few people deserve hatred

    Nonetheless I struggle to find a word that better describes my deep reflexive angry and violent contempt for Skyr

    And it seems this is shared by millions of Brits

    It will be a relief when he’s gone and I don’t need to experience these dark feelings
  • BurgessianBurgessian Posts: 3,811
    When considering the actions of Labour MPs it's worth bearing in mind quite how existential this is for them.

    It's not so much that they have been eviscerated in the council elections. It's who's doing the eviscerating.

    If it was the LibDems, or Greens, or even Tories, well that's not great, but stuff happens. Life goes on.

    It's the fact that it is the Faragists, who Labour MPs genuinely consider to be Fascists, with a capital F. It's like Mussolini marching on Rome.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 79,488
    I think it's fair to say when it comes to leadership elections, Labour always feel close, but no cigar.

    #subtlepunning.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
    Not sure. Ed Miliband maybe. Some baggage there though.

    Fwiw I don't see why Rayner can't go for it, HMRC or no HMRC. That's a burger of very little with no sauce in this age of leading politicians taking £5m in secret straight cash from offshore tycoons and bending policy to suit.
    Rayner was poor today. No guile, no comedy, just sucking up to Burnham. I am leaning towards the tight suited Streeting
    The 81 don't have to have a candidate. They have to have sufficient numbers especially if topped up with some PPSs and junior ministers that the Cabinet conclude Skyr has to be forced into accepting an orderly departure when they meet tomorrow.

    As Lillico pointed out earlier - by chance 81 is around the figure needed to bring him down in a proper commons confidence vote
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,752
    Omnium said:

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
    Not sure. Ed Miliband maybe. Some baggage there though.

    Fwiw I don't see why Rayner can't go for it, HMRC or no HMRC. That's a burger of very little with no sauce in this age of leading politicians taking £5m in secret straight cash from offshore tycoons and bending policy to suit.
    Rayner was poor today. No guile, no comedy, just sucking up to Burnham. I am leaning towards the tight suited Streeting
    Leaders aren't necessarily the engine room of a government. I can easily see Labour going for a uninspiring captain and hoping that their real intellectuals (they think, but obviously don't have) drive the agenda.

    Thus it's David Lammy!
    Very unlikely I would have thought.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,536

    Heh my source is looking VERY accurate

    What did your source say?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,832

    One to warm the heart cockles of @Leon_VotedForStarmer

    "The Scottish Greens MSP who won their Holyrood seat on a student visa has said they have applied for a graduate visa which will let them stay in the UK for the next three years.

    "Q Manivannan, a Tamil Indian who recently gained a PhD from St Andrews University and identifies as trans, was elected to the Scottish parliament last Friday on the Edinburgh and Lothians East regional list, helping the Scottish Greens win a record 15 seats.

    "Despite having no UK citizenship or permanent residency, Manivannan was allowed to stand for Holyrood under recent rule changes which allow anyone living in Scotland to contest devolved elections."

    £78k plus expenses.

    Ultimate trolling!, Q is now JK Rowlings MSP.

    Points for style.
  • Heh my source is looking VERY accurate

    What did your source say?
    That Starmer would quit very soon after the local elections.
  • I think Streeting has to be the favourite now.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,553

    Cookie said:

    This is a very dangerous moment in British politics..

    Hold into nurse for fear of something even worse holds true.

    Don't worry,we are fine. There is absolutely no chance Farage or Badenoch become Prime Minister.
    They would be surprising choices for next Labour Party leader, to say the least.
    Never say never.
    Well, these things are often more about whom the MPs don't want than whom they do want. I suppose the not-Burnham clique and the not-Streeting claque might in extremis end up uniting on having Kemi Badenoch in charge.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 39,752

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
    Not sure. Ed Miliband maybe. Some baggage there though.

    Fwiw I don't see why Rayner can't go for it, HMRC or no HMRC. That's a burger of very little with no sauce in this age of leading politicians taking £5m in secret straight cash from offshore tycoons and bending policy to suit.
    Rayner was poor today. No guile, no comedy, just sucking up to Burnham. I am leaning towards the tight suited Streeting
    The 81 don't have to have a candidate. They have to have sufficient numbers especially if topped up with some PPSs and junior ministers that the Cabinet conclude Skyr has to be forced into accepting an orderly departure when they meet tomorrow.

    As Lillico pointed out earlier - by chance 81 is around the figure needed to bring him down in a proper commons confidence vote
    I was looking several steps forward.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352

    Labour List is keeping a running tally of MPs' positions which currently has 62 Labour MPs calling for Starmer to go now or to announce a timetable for departure, 71 backing Starmer, with the rest remaining silent (as yet.) Updated at 6.20pm. The dam has indeed broken.

    https://labourlist.org/2026/05/labourlist-labour-mp-starmer-resignation-tracker/

    OrderOrder have 66
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,093

    Heh my source is looking VERY accurate

    What did your source say?
    That Starmer would quit very soon after the local elections.
    Was your source Andrew Rawnsley ?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794

    Heh my source is looking VERY accurate

    What did your source say?
    That Starmer would quit very soon after the local elections.
    I mean there were three options - he'd quit soon after, he'd quit some later time after, or he'd not quit - so I wouldn't acclaim them the world's greatest prognosticator without a little more specificity.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352
    Mohamed A. El-Erian
    @elerianm

    With the yield on 10-year UK government bonds staring down the barrel of a 5% handle, traders are laser-focused on four "internal" questions that will likely dictate the near-term outlook for Gilts:
    1. Will Sir Keir Starmer’s premiership survive the fallout from last Thursday’s local elections?
    If not,
    2. Who takes the keys to Number 10?
    3. Is the transition orderly, or will it be a period of prolonged volatility?
    4. Does Rachel Reeves remain at the Treasury to guard fiscal discipline?
    In a market this sensitive, the domestic “political risk premium” is dominating the external (energy/supply chain) influence.

    #economy #markets #uk #bonds #gilts

    https://x.com/elerianm/status/2053871629789184501
  • kle4 said:

    Heh my source is looking VERY accurate

    What did your source say?
    That Starmer would quit very soon after the local elections.
    I mean there were three options - he'd quit soon after, he'd quit some later time after, or he'd not quit - so I wouldn't acclaim them the world's greatest prognosticator without a little more specificity.
    Well, many here were saying he’d fight a leadership challenge. My source was very clear he’d quit instead, with Burnham or Streeting taking over.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,133
    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Bridget Phillipson it’s your time to shine ! Anyone but Miliband .

    I quite like milliband
    He failed once and that should be the end . If he ends up as PM they will be obliterated at the next GE .
    I know it's the modern fashion but the UK does have a long history of PMs, several highly rated, who have lost a GE and become PM later

    I'm not saying Ed M would be one, but they let Corbyn have 2 goes FFS, and it would really annoy the PB luddites.
  • Taz said:

    Heh my source is looking VERY accurate

    What did your source say?
    That Starmer would quit very soon after the local elections.
    Was your source Andrew Rawnsley ?
    No it’s a cousin of Sir Keir.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,794

    kle4 said:

    Heh my source is looking VERY accurate

    What did your source say?
    That Starmer would quit very soon after the local elections.
    I mean there were three options - he'd quit soon after, he'd quit some later time after, or he'd not quit - so I wouldn't acclaim them the world's greatest prognosticator without a little more specificity.
    Well, many here were saying he’d fight a leadership challenge. My source was very clear he’d quit instead, with Burnham or Streeting taking over.
    Fair enough, there was a fourth option - there would be a challenge. Even so.
  • Streeting is now moving against the PM.

    Burnham has fucked it.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    Haha

    https://x.com/danbloom1/status/2053885794801091072

    EXCL: Labour officials are now less likely to block Andy Burnham from returning to parliament, a member of the party’s ruling body has suggested

    Abdi Duale said NEC officers are "reassessing" their old loyalties, e.g. to Keir Starmer, because "this is now terminal for the party"
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 5,207

    Labour List is keeping a running tally of MPs' positions which currently has 62 Labour MPs calling for Starmer to go now or to announce a timetable for departure, 71 backing Starmer, with the rest remaining silent (as yet.) Updated at 6.20pm. The dam has indeed broken.

    https://labourlist.org/2026/05/labourlist-labour-mp-starmer-resignation-tracker/

    The majority of backbenchers who have expressed an opinion either way have called on Starmer to go as opposed to backing him.

    However, amongst the few frontbenchers who have called on him to go, there are some interesting dynamics emerging.

    eg.
    Sally Jameson, PPS - calling on Starmer to set a timetable for his departure and for the NEC to set a timetable that allows all potential candidates to stand
    Emma Reynolds, Secretary of State for Environment Food and Rural Affairs - publically backing Starmer
    Sally Jameson is Emma Reynolds' PPS. Emma Reynolds is notoriously short tempered. Flies are rapidly building up on the wall of Reynolds' office in anticipation.

    https://labourlist.org/2026/05/labourlist-labour-mp-starmer-resignation-tracker/
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,884
    The thread header is right to remind us of Brown and the price Labour MPs paid for their failure to act against him. But the history of their party and its structures are against them. Its really, really hard to remove a sitting Labour PM unless they choose to go. And Starmer is digging in. Tough times for Labour. Tough times for the country they purport to govern.
  • Haha

    https://x.com/danbloom1/status/2053885794801091072

    EXCL: Labour officials are now less likely to block Andy Burnham from returning to parliament, a member of the party’s ruling body has suggested

    Abdi Duale said NEC officers are "reassessing" their old loyalties, e.g. to Keir Starmer, because "this is now terminal for the party"

    As I said, Burnham will get back into parliament but he won’t be PM this time.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 59,834
    https://x.com/breeallegretti/status/2053894822520304121

    Exc: Row breaks out among 2024 Labour MPs over whether to challenge Keir Starmer, leaked WhatsApps reveal.

    Natasha Irons: "Bottom line, changing leader because Nigel Farage has forced us to is not something any of us can come back from. Anyone who thinks we can needs to wake up."

    Peter Lamb: "Anyone who thinks this is sustainable needs an MRI."

    Laurence Turner: "We get enough insults on our socials. Let's leave them out here."

    Nesil Caliskan - a whip - says: "This is really rude."
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,320
    Dopermean said:

    nico67 said:

    nico67 said:

    Bridget Phillipson it’s your time to shine ! Anyone but Miliband .

    I quite like milliband
    He failed once and that should be the end . If he ends up as PM they will be obliterated at the next GE .
    I know it's the modern fashion but the UK does have a long history of PMs, several highly rated, who have lost a GE and become PM later

    I'm not saying Ed M would be one, but they let Corbyn have 2 goes FFS, and it would really annoy the PB luddites.
    Labour were stupid to allow Corbyn two goes and shouldn’t repeat the mistake . And Miliband is a backstabbing Judas who set the train in motion towards Brexit . Cameron would not have got that majority if David Miliband had won the leadership.
  • Cabinet will tell PM tomorrow he must go.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,133

    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    (((Dan Hodges)))
    @DPJHodges
    ·
    59s
    The plan is to break the 80 threshold tonight or early tomorrow. Then present Starmer with the reality at Cabinet.

    The 81 have to sponsor a single specific candidate.

    Edit: or are these all Streeters?
    According to the rules, yes.

    But not many Prime Ministerial transitions are completely by the rulebook.

    But if Burnham and Rayner are hors d'combat, who leads Team Don't Like Wes?
    Not sure. Ed Miliband maybe. Some baggage there though.

    Fwiw I don't see why Rayner can't go for it, HMRC or no HMRC. That's a burger of very little with no sauce in this age of leading politicians taking £5m in secret straight cash from offshore tycoons and bending policy to suit.
    Rayner was poor today. No guile, no comedy, just sucking up to Burnham. I am leaning towards the tight suited Streeting
    The 81 don't have to have a candidate. They have to have sufficient numbers especially if topped up with some PPSs and junior ministers that the Cabinet conclude Skyr has to be forced into accepting an orderly departure when they meet tomorrow.

    As Lillico pointed out earlier - by chance 81 is around the figure needed to bring him down in a proper commons confidence vote
    Even the ingenue red wall Labour MPs aren't stupid enough to vote against their own Govt in a confidence vote.... well not all of them surely
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 72,352

    Streeting is now moving against the PM.

    Burnham has fucked it.

    Dunno. There's a lot of moving parts here.

    You can lay Burnham for 3.9
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