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  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608

    Will be 2 Westminster by-elections in Aberdeen and Arbroath, due to SNP MPs going to Holyrood

    Safe as houses.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    Leon said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    From this John Curtice analysis it looks as if Projected National Share of the vote something like
    Reform 26%
    Lab 19%
    Con 19%
    LibDem ?18%
    Green 16%
    Apocalypse Postponed for the Uniparty

    https://x.com/johnrentoul/status/2052739528419328441

    Massive opportunity for Badenoch

    Kemi and Starmer probably both survive if the Tories and Labour are tied second on NEV. Reform first on just 26% can easily be denied a majority with anti Reform tactical voting
    Sky have it at

    27% Reform
    20% Conservatives
    16% Labour
    14% Lib Dems
    13% Greens
    Kemi certainly secure then, Starmer probably too as Labour have beaten the Greens and the PM's biggest rival in Parliament Rayner's main platform was she could win back votes Labour lost to the Greens
    How the fucking fuck can Skyr be "secure" when he's got 16% of the vote and his party is THIRD. This is catastrophic for Labour, about as bad as it gets

    I mean, you might be right, but that proves the Labour party is insane, if they cannot topple this loser after a result this bad
    Labour are second with Curtice NEV, only Rayner clearly led Starmer in Labour members polls and she would have shifted left to win back Green voters, a strategy torpedoed by Polanski's party's underperformance today.

    Burnham still a rival but he is not an MP and until he is cannot challenge SKS
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,422
    BBC possible 3 way recount
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 90,923
    nico67 said:

    Can someone convince me that Burnham can find a safe seat in the Manchester area ?

    In the inspiring words of M Portillo, "who dares, wins' ...
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,798
    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    In Manchester, Lab ended up retaining six seats out of 31 it held, losing 7 to Reform and 18 to Green.
    The sole LD retained his seat.

    Who won your ward
    No-one yet. I'm in Trafford. The only news we have had so far is Andrew Western not commenting.
    I'm enjoying speculating. Surely Lab will retain it? But lots of people have been thinking that about their locality. And if not Lab, who? I'm not aware of much Reform presence, and we're possibly a little too comfortable to be natural Reform territory (though a lot of the ward is ex local authority). And we're not fashionable enough to be Green. Once upon a time the Tories could have won here, but that was probably 40 years ago. I'm agog.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,196
    3x Lib Dem in Jesmond (Newcastle upon Tyne). Still no Labour councillors
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,623
    edited May 8
    https://www.lbc.co.uk/article/westminster-tories-fighting-oxford-street-pedestrianisation-5HjdYrx_2/

    Tories pledge to fight Oxford Street pedestrianisation after winning back Westminster

    Great the NIMBYs are back. Why oppose this? Utterly nuts
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 40,616

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2052742544123961772

    It looks increasingly like nobody is going over the top

    Andy Burnham is not expected to say anything today or this weekend. Wes Streeting appears to be sticking to what he said before the election - he doesn't think this is the time for a leadership challenge

    Cabinet ministers are privately despairing and think next week is huge - the PM's reset speech has to hit home, the King's speech has to show real ambition - but they're not calling for his head at the moment, however unsustainable they think his premiership is

    The one variable is Angela Rayner - it's still not clear whether she will go public over the next 72 hours. The council in her seat has been decimated

    We've essentially got a party in a sense of stasis - ministers know it's bad, they know that Starmer is going down terribly on the doorstep, but at this point in time they don't have a better alternative

    All of which plays in Starmer's favour, in the short term at least

    Just utterly embarrassing all around.

    It's early days. Powder being kept dry. Not unexpectedly Ian Lavery isn't beating about the bush.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,766

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2052734716558578113

    Stockbridge (Knowsley) Council Election Result:

    RFM: 39.1% (+39.1)
    GRN: 29.1% (+12.2)
    LAB: 28.0% (-55.1)
    CON: 3.8% (+3.8)

    Reform GAIN from Labour
    Changes w/ 2024.

    The split Labour/Green vote is going to be a car crash in a general.
    Ahem.

    Late last month I had discussions with some people who used to work in the Westminster village and when discussing both the immediate future and the long term future they proposed a suggestion that startled me.

    Their prediction is that in the next eighteen months or so if the polls remain roughly where they are now then the political discussions will turn to pacts and formal alliances, the only question is which side will propose it first, the Greens/Labour/Lib Dems or Reform/The Tories.

    The trigger might even be this week’s local elections when the limits of first past the post are exposed, where for example in traditional Tory areas might wake up with Green councillors thank to a split vote between the Tories and Reform. Reform’s detention centre policies might also be a trigger for the centre-left. If one bloc starts forming an alliance then the other one will too.


    https://www.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2026/05/06/say-hello-to-a-future-if-not-the-next-tory-leader/
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,765
    DavidL said:

    Eabhal said:

    Wales is taking its time.

    Scotland too, this is ridiculous.
    We've got 7 seats in Scotland so far. Only Shetland is a shock although Labour will be dismayed with the result in Carrick, Cumnock and Doon Valley. They should have been in contention there and, thanks to Reform, didn't even come second. The lack of talent in the Scottish Parliament is gutting. One of the few lights is Jackie Baillie but I fear with results like Carrick she may be in trouble in Dumbarton.
    One can but hope
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,422
    No scrap that. Result incoming
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 847
    This is apparently the

    Dumbarton result - easy win for SNP 41% to Lab 25%, Reform got 19%.

    Jackie Baillie out. Looking like a rout for Labour
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,314

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2052734716558578113

    Stockbridge (Knowsley) Council Election Result:

    RFM: 39.1% (+39.1)
    GRN: 29.1% (+12.2)
    LAB: 28.0% (-55.1)
    CON: 3.8% (+3.8)

    Reform GAIN from Labour
    Changes w/ 2024.

    The split Labour/Green vote is going to be a car crash in a general.
    But if Labour defectors are breaking 3 to 1 for Reform, it’s not really meaningful to talk about a split Labour/Green vote.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    Labour have held Bury and Rochdale councils
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 847

    Will be 2 Westminster by-elections in Aberdeen and Arbroath, due to SNP MPs going to Holyrood

    New MSP for Carrick Cumnock Doon valley is a D&G Councillor, not sure if she will resign from that, 1 year left til elections
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,829

    https://x.com/steven_swinford/status/2052742544123961772

    It looks increasingly like nobody is going over the top

    Andy Burnham is not expected to say anything today or this weekend. Wes Streeting appears to be sticking to what he said before the election - he doesn't think this is the time for a leadership challenge

    Cabinet ministers are privately despairing and think next week is huge - the PM's reset speech has to hit home, the King's speech has to show real ambition - but they're not calling for his head at the moment, however unsustainable they think his premiership is

    The one variable is Angela Rayner - it's still not clear whether she will go public over the next 72 hours. The council in her seat has been decimated

    We've essentially got a party in a sense of stasis - ministers know it's bad, they know that Starmer is going down terribly on the doorstep, but at this point in time they don't have a better alternative

    All of which plays in Starmer's favour, in the short term at least

    Just utterly embarrassing all around.

    Telephone lines being uninstalled.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,422
    edited May 8
    BBC - Reform lose!!!!! By a few hundred

    SNP hold
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,196

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2052734716558578113

    Stockbridge (Knowsley) Council Election Result:

    RFM: 39.1% (+39.1)
    GRN: 29.1% (+12.2)
    LAB: 28.0% (-55.1)
    CON: 3.8% (+3.8)

    Reform GAIN from Labour
    Changes w/ 2024.

    The split Labour/Green vote is going to be a car crash in a general.
    But if Labour defectors are breaking 3 to 1 for Reform, it’s not really meaningful to talk about a split Labour/Green vote.
    I mean look at the post I literally quoted mate
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608
    6 Con and 3 lab in Swindon, Tories regaining some historic areas lost in 23/24
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    DoctorG said:

    This is apparently the

    Dumbarton result - easy win for SNP 41% to Lab 25%, Reform got 19%.

    Jackie Baillie out. Looking like a rout for Labour

    Labour only had 2 Scottish constituency seats anyway in Holyrood
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,432
    edited May 8
    Pro_Rata said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Wakefield first 6 councillors across 2 wards gone to Reform, Labour were 60%+ in the previous equivalent wards

    7/21 wards counted: 19 Reform, 2 LDs returned (Lab -18, LD -1)
    Reform one ward from gaining Wakefield
    A bit of a wait. I wonder if they have gone in two batches.

    So far:

    Reform 31 (+31) (63 seats total)
    LD 2 (-1)
    Lab 0 (-28)
    Con 0 (-2)

    Labour's best hope of breaking the duck was in one or two of the Wakefield City constituencies and we haven't counted those yet. Possibly Tory best remaining chance still to come as well.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,798
    Improbably, Lab have retained Bury (see my earlier comment about Ramsbottom, but generalised to the whole Borough - this is their heartland now - moderately comfortable, moderately fashionable, white, urban but not too urban. They did manage to lose a seat to the Workers Party though.
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,925

    BBC - Reform lose!!!!! By a few hundred

    SNP hold

    Looks like no constituency seats for REF then
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 25,829

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2052734716558578113

    Stockbridge (Knowsley) Council Election Result:

    RFM: 39.1% (+39.1)
    GRN: 29.1% (+12.2)
    LAB: 28.0% (-55.1)
    CON: 3.8% (+3.8)

    Reform GAIN from Labour
    Changes w/ 2024.

    Labour losing thanks to Tory to Reform switchers.

    Not.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,319
    SNP hold Banff & Buchan Coast. Maj. 364.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 847
    SNP crawl over the line in Banff. 364 votes!

    Ok looks like SNP around 60 seats, still falling short of a majority
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 23,397

    Lib Dems not winning here

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2052711372920676529

    Gosport Borough Council Results (half up)

    ➡️ RFM: 9 (+9)
    🌳 CON: 5 (-1)
    🔶 LDM: 0 (-7)
    🌹 LAB: 0 (-1)

    Liberal Democrat LOSS to No Overall Control
    Changes w/ 2022 for outgoing councillors.

    Gosport klaxon.

    It's been weird politically forever... Partly the "red wall town stuck on the south coast" thing, partly the many rises and falls of Peter Chegwyn, who has been Mr Liberal Gosport since the 1980s. Very old-school pavement politics guy. Must be getting on a lot by now.

    Basically played the local resentments card brilliantly for... blimey, about 40 years. Not like most Lib Dems nationwide. And now he's been outgunned by someone doing a similar shtick with national reach and budget.

    Oh, the many years that many many Gosport Tories hoped we had put him in the bin. Maybe he now is, but not in the way we might have hoped.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,536
    The Tories are getting wiped out in East Sussex .
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,196
    edited May 8
    Lib Dem x3 in Gosforth (Newcastle upon Tyne). The sole Tory councillor gone. Still no Labour councillors.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 847

    Will be 2 Westminster by-elections in Aberdeen and Arbroath, due to SNP MPs going to Holyrood

    Right Burnham, there's your chance(s)
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,314

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2052734716558578113

    Stockbridge (Knowsley) Council Election Result:

    RFM: 39.1% (+39.1)
    GRN: 29.1% (+12.2)
    LAB: 28.0% (-55.1)
    CON: 3.8% (+3.8)

    Reform GAIN from Labour
    Changes w/ 2024.

    The split Labour/Green vote is going to be a car crash in a general.
    But if Labour defectors are breaking 3 to 1 for Reform, it’s not really meaningful to talk about a split Labour/Green vote.
    I mean look at the post I literally quoted mate
    RFM: 39.1% (+39.1)
    GRN: 29.1% (+12.2)
    LAB: 28.0% (-55.1)
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608
    DoctorG said:

    SNP crawl over the line in Banff. 364 votes!

    Ok looks like SNP around 60 seats, still falling short of a majority

    Hardly a terrible result though.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,422
    Tory candidate in BBC with a face like thunder. His party were a few % off last time and have been replaced by Reform
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,765
    DoctorG said:

    This is apparently the

    Dumbarton result - easy win for SNP 41% to Lab 25%, Reform got 19%.

    Jackie Baillie out. Looking like a rout for Labour

    :D:D:D
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    edited May 8

    BBC - Reform lose!!!!! By a few hundred

    SNP hold

    SNP vote down 9% on 2021, won by 1.3% over Reform, Tories got 21.5%, Tory tactical voting to beat SNP would have won it for Reform

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2026/scotland/constituencies/S16000162
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,344
    HYUFD said:

    Labour have held Bury and Rochdale councils

    Amazing, the Keir comeback must be on. Or is it because it is... thirds :p ?

    Lab hold a ward (Crookes) in Sheffield.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,766
    DoctorG said:

    SNP crawl over the line in Banff. 364 votes!

    Ok looks like SNP around 60 seats, still falling short of a majority

    Huzzah, as per John Swinney, no mandate for Indyref2.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,196
    edited May 8

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2052734716558578113

    Stockbridge (Knowsley) Council Election Result:

    RFM: 39.1% (+39.1)
    GRN: 29.1% (+12.2)
    LAB: 28.0% (-55.1)
    CON: 3.8% (+3.8)

    Reform GAIN from Labour
    Changes w/ 2024.

    The split Labour/Green vote is going to be a car crash in a general.
    But if Labour defectors are breaking 3 to 1 for Reform, it’s not really meaningful to talk about a split Labour/Green vote.
    I mean look at the post I literally quoted mate
    RFM: 39.1% (+39.1)
    GRN: 29.1% (+12.2)
    LAB: 28.0% (-55.1)
    Yeah but that doesn’t matter? It’s still a split vote
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,766
    edited May 8
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour have held Bury and Rochdale councils

    Amazing, the Keir comeback must be on. Or is it because it is... thirds :p ?

    Lab hold a ward (Crookes) in Sheffield.
    I am praying I don't end up with a Green councillor.

    Tom Hunt lost to the Greens.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 847

    BBC - Reform lose!!!!! By a few hundred

    SNP hold

    Looks like no constituency seats for REF then
    Yes their best chance has gone

    Scrub that Dumbarton result, it doesn't seem to be verified anywhere
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 41,579

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2052734716558578113

    Stockbridge (Knowsley) Council Election Result:

    RFM: 39.1% (+39.1)
    GRN: 29.1% (+12.2)
    LAB: 28.0% (-55.1)
    CON: 3.8% (+3.8)

    Reform GAIN from Labour
    Changes w/ 2024.

    Labour losing thanks to Tory to Reform switchers.

    Not.
    It's becoming clear that this will be the narrative pushed by Labour supporters over the next few weeks, it's the security blanket and you can see them latching onto it already.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,520
    The islands are really doing their own thing this time- Western isles goes... Labour from SNP.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,798
    Reform have gained two more from Lab in Rochdale (Castleton and Hopwood Hall) and, slightly surprisingly, one from the LDs (Milnrow and New Hey). The BBC has Lab retaining the council but the MEN thinks it is still in the balance.
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,687


    Accidentally wandered into BlueSky. Thick as pigshit.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 60,314

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2052734716558578113

    Stockbridge (Knowsley) Council Election Result:

    RFM: 39.1% (+39.1)
    GRN: 29.1% (+12.2)
    LAB: 28.0% (-55.1)
    CON: 3.8% (+3.8)

    Reform GAIN from Labour
    Changes w/ 2024.

    The split Labour/Green vote is going to be a car crash in a general.
    But if Labour defectors are breaking 3 to 1 for Reform, it’s not really meaningful to talk about a split Labour/Green vote.
    I mean look at the post I literally quoted mate
    RFM: 39.1% (+39.1)
    GRN: 29.1% (+12.2)
    LAB: 28.0% (-55.1)
    Yeah but that doesn’t matter? It’s still a split vote
    If you took the Labour candidate out of the picture and gave the remaining Labour voters a forced choice between the Greens and Reform, it's brave to think that the Greens would win given how the rest of the Labour vote broke.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,604
    nico67 said:

    The Tories are getting wiped out in East Sussex .

    Nus Ghani's patch?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,196

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2052734716558578113

    Stockbridge (Knowsley) Council Election Result:

    RFM: 39.1% (+39.1)
    GRN: 29.1% (+12.2)
    LAB: 28.0% (-55.1)
    CON: 3.8% (+3.8)

    Reform GAIN from Labour
    Changes w/ 2024.

    The split Labour/Green vote is going to be a car crash in a general.
    But if Labour defectors are breaking 3 to 1 for Reform, it’s not really meaningful to talk about a split Labour/Green vote.
    I mean look at the post I literally quoted mate
    RFM: 39.1% (+39.1)
    GRN: 29.1% (+12.2)
    LAB: 28.0% (-55.1)
    Yeah but that doesn’t matter? It’s still a split vote
    If you took the Labour candidate out of the picture and gave the remaining Labour voters a forced choice between the Greens and Reform, it's brave to think that the Greens would win given how the rest of the Labour vote broke.
    But that’s a completely irrelevant scenario. They are in the picture
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,798
    edited May 8
    Hold up in Trafford because there is a ward where rather more votes have been found than should be the case. I suspect cock-up rather than conspiracy. This isn't Oldham.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,623
    I may resign my Labour membership. The fact the cabinet are allowing this to continue is making me think I should either vote Tory next time or spoil my ballot.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,136
    Wales are the Nevada of the UK. How long does it take to get results?!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 46,765

    DoctorG said:

    SNP crawl over the line in Banff. 364 votes!

    Ok looks like SNP around 60 seats, still falling short of a majority

    Huzzah, as per John Swinney, no mandate for Indyref2.
    You forget they are not the only Independence supporting party, all of the rest are not English parties
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,196

    https://x.com/electionmapsuk/status/2052734716558578113

    Stockbridge (Knowsley) Council Election Result:

    RFM: 39.1% (+39.1)
    GRN: 29.1% (+12.2)
    LAB: 28.0% (-55.1)
    CON: 3.8% (+3.8)

    Reform GAIN from Labour
    Changes w/ 2024.

    The split Labour/Green vote is going to be a car crash in a general.
    But if Labour defectors are breaking 3 to 1 for Reform, it’s not really meaningful to talk about a split Labour/Green vote.
    I mean look at the post I literally quoted mate
    RFM: 39.1% (+39.1)
    GRN: 29.1% (+12.2)
    LAB: 28.0% (-55.1)
    Yeah but that doesn’t matter? It’s still a split vote
    If you took the Labour candidate out of the picture and gave the remaining Labour voters a forced choice between the Greens and Reform, it's brave to think that the Greens would win given how the rest of the Labour vote broke.
    But that’s a completely irrelevant scenario. They are in the picture
    Besides. I think it’s reasonable to assume that most people who are sympathetic to Reform will have voted for them. Those left are probably varying degrees of woke.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608
    Three Reform onto Swindon, gain from Labour.

    There's a mix of 1, 2, and 3 member wards.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 37,670
    Eabhal said:

    nico67 said:

    Leon said:

    MaxPB said:

    MaxPB said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Pro_Rata said:

    Wakefield first 6 councillors across 2 wards gone to Reform, Labour were 60%+ in the previous equivalent wards

    7 wards counted: 19 Reform, 2 LD (Lab -18, LD -1)
    But it's not Labour voters going to Reform, it's secret Tory voters going to Reform and Labour voters going to the Greens. Don't you see that Labour losing 18 seats to Reform is actually a disaster for the Tories!
    Well, Curtice certainly seems to believe it isn't entirely a result of direct Lab to Reform switching.
    Considering the average Reform voter either doesn't know immigration is falling and about Mahmood's proposed ILR reforms, or don't think it's anywhere enough, that suggests that maybe Lab's attempt at wooing Reform voters isn't working.
    I think Curtice is chatting shit tbh, it's clear that white working class Labour voters are turning out for Reform. Labour are being ripped in two atm, the Greens are nipping at their trendy wanky side and have clearly taken a big chunk of the Muslim vote and Reform have taken a big bite out of the white working class vote.

    I really think Labour could be headed for extinction as a party because now there's two parties that appeal to their coalition but don't need to compromise to each side of it. Reform don't need to weigh up what a tough immigration and pushing for net emigration will do for Muslim/Lefty voters and the Greens don't give a flying fuck about what the working classes think about high immigration policies they favour.
    I agree. I admire Curtice but he seems to have got this curiously and obviously wrong
    It’s a mixed bag . In some areas there’s a wholesale shift from Labour to Reform . In others the movement from Labour to Green is the decisive factor in them losing the seat.
    Westminster polling typically shows Reform’s vote is overwhelmingly prior Reform voters or those who have never voted before. The main driver of their vote share is that enthusiasm is much higher for them than for other parties.

    Obviously we have no firm idea what is going on, but I’d wager serious money that swings from other parties is not the main cause of what we are seeing today.
    It's rather like the Libs in the mid '60's. And that all melted away like snow in summer.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    edited May 8

    I may resign my Labour membership. The fact the cabinet are allowing this to continue is making me think I should either vote Tory next time or spoil my ballot.

    Few Labour MPs now coming out to say Starmer should resign, those who are are on the left but they would need to see Labour losing more votes to the Greens than they have done to really press for a Rayner leadership challenge. Labour votes going Tory just boosts Streeting but you may want that, so far Tories and Labour clearly ahead of the Greens if behind Reform
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    What we are seeing - tragically - is the continued Ulsterisation of the country

    David Betz, the guy predicting civil strife, is claiming vindication based on these results. When asked for timing on the commencement of this strife, he says this:

    "I think it is likely within two years, very likely within five, and close on inevitable with ten."

    https://x.com/DavidBe31099196/status/2052723144297783464?s=20
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,196
    Leon said:

    What we are seeing - tragically - is the continued Ulsterisation of the country

    David Betz, the guy predicting civil strife, is claiming vindication based on these results. When asked for timing on the commencement of this strife, he says this:

    "I think it is likely within two years, very likely within five, and close on inevitable with ten."

    https://x.com/DavidBe31099196/status/2052723144297783464?s=20

    There’s probably some truth in that
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,766
    edited May 8
    My vote did it.

    The Lib Dems hold my council seat.
  • DoctorGDoctorG Posts: 847
    Labour have taken Western Isles, narrow win over SNP. Donald Mackinnon, a strong candidate won it for them
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 8,319

    My vote did.

    The Lib Dems hold my council seat.

    By 1 vote?
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,253
    Leon said:

    Do we have any news from Aberdeen? Hearing rumours of a crossover, involving Flynn

    The leader of the SNP in the Westminster (UK) Parliament, Stephen Flynn MP, has won a seat in the Holyrood (Scottish) Parliament, taking the constituency of Aberdeen Deeside and North Kincardine and becoming Stephen Flynn MSP

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8pvyy4pq1o

    I think he will now resign his MP constituency because dual mandates aren't legal in the UK. But happy to be contradicted if wrong
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,798
    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour have held Bury and Rochdale councils

    Amazing, the Keir comeback must be on. Or is it because it is... thirds :p ?

    Lab hold a ward (Crookes) in Sheffield.
    It's because thirds. Though Lab were vulnerable in Bury and managed to hold enough seats.
    The MEN thinks control of the council is still in the balance in Rochdale.

    I used to live in Crookes. See what I said earlier about the new Labour heartland. Comfortable, white, urban but not too urban, fashionable but not too fashionable.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,536
    It’s looking like an absolute disaster for the Tories in both West and East Sussex .

    They’ve even lost a seat to Labour !
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000

    Leon said:

    What we are seeing - tragically - is the continued Ulsterisation of the country

    David Betz, the guy predicting civil strife, is claiming vindication based on these results. When asked for timing on the commencement of this strife, he says this:

    "I think it is likely within two years, very likely within five, and close on inevitable with ten."

    https://x.com/DavidBe31099196/status/2052723144297783464?s=20

    There’s probably some truth in that
    Sadly yes. And his academic speciality is exactly this subject. He's a prof at KCL
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 129,766

    My vote did.

    The Lib Dems hold my council seat.

    By 1 vote?
    Not sure, all I know is the Yellow Peril won.

    The Lib Dems I spoke to during the campaign were worried.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 81,344
    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour have held Bury and Rochdale councils

    Amazing, the Keir comeback must be on. Or is it because it is... thirds :p ?

    Lab hold a ward (Crookes) in Sheffield.
    It's because thirds. Though Lab were vulnerable in Bury and managed to hold enough seats.
    The MEN thinks control of the council is still in the balance in Rochdale.

    I used to live in Crookes. See what I said earlier about the new Labour heartland. Comfortable, white, urban but not too urban, fashionable but not too fashionable.
    When did you live in Crookes, I lived there in around 2006 I think or so.
  • FossFoss Posts: 2,927

    I may resign my Labour membership. The fact the cabinet are allowing this to continue is making me think I should either vote Tory next time or spoil my ballot.

    Wait a while. If you resign and they do grow a spine then you'll not get to have a say.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608
    Not sure about overall turnout but it looks good in some areas.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,357
    HYUFD said:

    BBC - Reform lose!!!!! By a few hundred

    SNP hold

    SNP vote down 9% on 2021, won by 1.3% over Reform, Tories got 21.5%, Tory tactical voting to beat SNP would have won it for Reform

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2026/scotland/constituencies/S16000162
    Not enough nose pegs in the NE?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 73,286
    Leon said:

    What we are seeing - tragically - is the continued Ulsterisation of the country

    David Betz, the guy predicting civil strife, is claiming vindication based on these results. When asked for timing on the commencement of this strife, he says this:

    "I think it is likely within two years, very likely within five, and close on inevitable with ten."

    https://x.com/DavidBe31099196/status/2052723144297783464?s=20

    It's "strife" now is it? Before he was predicting civil war.
  • sarissasarissa Posts: 2,357
    Cicero said:

    The islands are really doing their own thing this time- Western isles goes... Labour from SNP.

    That's a ferry good result for Labour.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,207
    So far with 9 seats in Tories yet to win a West Sussex seat. Amazing.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,207
    So far with 9 seats in Tories yet to win a West Sussex seat. Amazing.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    edited May 8
    First Welsh Senedd declaration for Casnewydd Islwyn sees Reform win.

    Newport Reform 25,571 Plaid 23,069, Labour, 10,622, Conservatives 8,847, Greens 5,898, LDs 2,683, Heritage 349
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,432
    edited May 8
    Kirklees underway.

    Heck, Almondbury gone all Reform - that was a pretty confident LD defence, should've been enough good areas for them to counteract the more Reformy areas.

    So far:

    Ref 9 (+9)
    Grn 6 (+3)
    LD 0 (-5)
    Lab 0 (-4)
    Con 0 (-3)

    Eek - this may not as be quite a multi-way split as I thought, I still don't think a Reform majority, but it could be closer than comfortable.
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000
    Reform have a big win in Wales. This is ON guys
    ,
    Are we all excited?
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,536
    Good grief the Tories have now lost 3 seats to Labour in West Sussex .

    Must be a favourable split Tory /Reform vote helping them .
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,536
    Newport goes to REFORM!
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,196
    edited May 8
    3x Reform in Blakelaw and Cowgate (Newcastle upon Tyne). That’s the current Labour Leader of the Council losing her seat
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 32,422
    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour have held Bury and Rochdale councils

    Amazing, the Keir comeback must be on. Or is it because it is... thirds :p ?

    Lab hold a ward (Crookes) in Sheffield.
    It's because thirds. Though Lab were vulnerable in Bury and managed to hold enough seats.
    The MEN thinks control of the council is still in the balance in Rochdale.

    I used to live in Crookes. See what I said earlier about the new Labour heartland. Comfortable, white, urban but not too urban, fashionable but not too fashionable.
    When did you live in Crookes, I lived there in around 2006 I think or so.
    I also used to live in Crookes
  • PJHPJH Posts: 1,170
    Just had a quick look at my old stomping ground, Kingston. So far 21/21 LD but no change there. What has changed is that the Greens are often in second, in wards where when I was a boy were ultra-safe Tory (like 50%+ of the vote), and the Tories are now duking it out with Labour and Reform for 3rd, 4th and 5th.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,253

    I may resign my Labour membership. The fact the cabinet are allowing this to continue is making me think I should either vote Tory next time or spoil my ballot.

    I find it easier to not be a member in the first place. It's a bit more productive to accept the fact that one cannot change anything and instead concentrate on observing things correctly. It's kind of an occupational hazard.
  • CiceroCicero Posts: 4,520
    edited May 8
    sarissa said:

    Cicero said:

    The islands are really doing their own thing this time- Western isles goes... Labour from SNP.

    That's a ferry good result for Labour.
    *Groan* It is, though when I have met Alasdair Allan, I found him to be both bright and interesting, so a bit of a loss to the Scottish Parliament
  • Leon_VotedForStarmerLeon_VotedForStarmer Posts: 69,000

    Leon said:

    What we are seeing - tragically - is the continued Ulsterisation of the country

    David Betz, the guy predicting civil strife, is claiming vindication based on these results. When asked for timing on the commencement of this strife, he says this:

    "I think it is likely within two years, very likely within five, and close on inevitable with ten."

    https://x.com/DavidBe31099196/status/2052723144297783464?s=20

    It's "strife" now is it? Before he was predicting civil war.
    Precisely because he is not sure himself. He says it is most likely to be something like The Troubles in Ulster, a chronic state of insecurity and insurrection, with no go areas and a lot of violence, but the government does not, ultimately, lose control. However he does not rule out something much worse

    Happy days
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,230

    Will be 2 Westminster by-elections in Aberdeen and Arbroath, due to SNP MPs going to Holyrood

    Labour will be up for them.
    Burnham!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    edited May 8
    Labour gain the Na h-Eileanan an Iar (Western Isles) constituency seat from the SNP
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,699
    Labour hold Camden Town, Greens get another second. Reform nowhere.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 60,536
    Leon said:

    What we are seeing - tragically - is the continued Ulsterisation of the country

    And yet you claimed the other day Belfast is "the best City in the World"...
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,914
    Interesting thread

    https://bsky.app/profile/robfordmancs.bsky.social/post/3mldr7odlxk2b

    "...The conclusion "Reform won the seat from Lab therefore biggest vote swing is Lab to Reform" does not follow from this pattern. There are multiple vote flows here: Lab to Grn, Lab to abstain, Lab to Ref, Con to Ref, abstain to Ref...Lab to Ref is only one part of this, not typically the largest."
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    LDs lose Three Rivers to NOC
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 9,687

    Newport goes to REFORM!

    Essex or South Wales?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 137,632
    Holyrood voteshares on constituency vote so far

    SNP 41% -7%
    Labour 19% -1%
    Reform 16% +16%
    Cons 14% -11%
    LDs 9% +3%
    Greens 0.2% -1%
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,807
    On the island, there has been a batch of Reform gains from the Tories, but the LDs have held all their seats, and there have been more Indy holds. For largest group, Reform and the Indy’s are running each other close, but I think there are enough of the other parties to keep the council NOC whatever happens, now.

    Given that the Tory group leader committed publicly not to do any deal with Reform, hopefully that will keep the council out of their hands. A real result for the island - tactical voting especially among centre-left voters appears to be delivering.
  • GarethoftheVale2GarethoftheVale2 Posts: 2,551

    Newport goes to REFORM!

    Newport 2 Ref 2 PC 1 Lab 1 Con. Surprisingly good for Con
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 104,608
    HYUFD said:

    LDs lose Three Rivers to NOC

    Shocking, i thought that was a stalwart LD area.
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,798

    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour have held Bury and Rochdale councils

    Amazing, the Keir comeback must be on. Or is it because it is... thirds :p ?

    Lab hold a ward (Crookes) in Sheffield.
    It's because thirds. Though Lab were vulnerable in Bury and managed to hold enough seats.
    The MEN thinks control of the council is still in the balance in Rochdale.

    I used to live in Crookes. See what I said earlier about the new Labour heartland. Comfortable, white, urban but not too urban, fashionable but not too fashionable.
    When did you live in Crookes, I lived there in around 2006 I think or so.
    I also used to live in Crookes
    I lives on Toyne St and then at the top end of Springvale Rd.
    Have you been back recently? I was there laat summer. Several of the pubs - the Punch Bowl, the Cobden View, the Closed Shop, the Hallamshire Hotel - have gone fromok to brilliant.
    I loved it there. The views!
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 21,699
    Labour hold King's Cross, with Camden People's Alliance in an OK second. So, no great breakthrough for Andrew Feinstein's, ex-Your Party group.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 48,230

    Labour hold Camden Town, Greens get another second. Reform nowhere.

    If only someone had stuck a Reform poster on his Georgian windows, might have made all the difference.
  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 29,253
    edited May 8

    Newport goes to REFORM!

    Not quite

    Casnewydd Islwyn
    • Reform UK (2 seats : Dan Thomas, Art Wright)
    • Plaid Cymru (2 seats: Peredur Griffiths, Lyn Ackerman)
    • Labour (1 seat: Jayne Bryant)
    • Conservative (1 seat: Natasha Asghar)
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2026/wales/constituencies/W09000054
  • CookieCookie Posts: 17,798
    Pulpstar said:

    Cookie said:

    Pulpstar said:

    HYUFD said:

    Labour have held Bury and Rochdale councils

    Amazing, the Keir comeback must be on. Or is it because it is... thirds :p ?

    Lab hold a ward (Crookes) in Sheffield.
    It's because thirds. Though Lab were vulnerable in Bury and managed to hold enough seats.
    The MEN thinks control of the council is still in the balance in Rochdale.

    I used to live in Crookes. See what I said earlier about the new Labour heartland. Comfortable, white, urban but not too urban, fashionable but not too fashionable.
    When did you live in Crookes, I lived there in around 2006 I think or so.
    1994-96.
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