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Say hello to a future, if not the next, Tory leader? – politicalbetting.com

Late last month I had discussions with some people who used to work in the Westminster village and when discussing both the immediate future and the long term future they proposed a suggestion that startled me.

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  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 66,583
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  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,578
    edited May 6
    Yes, I am comparing Robert Jenrick to Sir Winston Churchill.

    On topic, and so it begins.

    Tory leader Kemi Badenoch refuses to rule out local Reform deals

    https://news.sky.com/video/tory-leader-kemi-badenoch-refuses-to-rule-out-local-reform-deals-13540569
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,253

    Yes, I am comparing Robert Jenrick to Sir Winston Churchill.

    On topic, and so it begins.

    Tory leader Kemi Badenoch refuses to rule out local Reform deals

    https://news.sky.com/video/tory-leader-kemi-badenoch-refuses-to-rule-out-local-reform-deals-13540569

    Are you sure she is the leader of the Conservatives and not a Reform plant?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 58,890
    God he’s a smarmy git.
  • MelonBMelonB Posts: 17,363
    DavidL said:

    God he’s a smarmy git.

    Is he human? Or is he dancer?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,578
    Battlebus said:

    Yes, I am comparing Robert Jenrick to Sir Winston Churchill.

    On topic, and so it begins.

    Tory leader Kemi Badenoch refuses to rule out local Reform deals

    https://news.sky.com/video/tory-leader-kemi-badenoch-refuses-to-rule-out-local-reform-deals-13540569

    Are you sure she is the leader of the Conservatives and not a Reform plant?
    Just a plant.

    Her pro Tommy Robinson stance and now she’s happy to go into coalition with a party that has a candidate that is pro rape and other candidates who say she isn’t British and needs to be deported tells me she’s not a serious politician.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,578
    DavidL said:

    God he’s a smarmy git.

    You’ve only just realised?
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,155

    Interesting bet. Not one I will be taking up.

    Unsurprising anti Kemi thread

    Jenrick will not lead the conservative psrty
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,346
    Sounds like Jenrick has buyer's remorse. Still probably his best chance of being Prime Minister is taking over Reform from Nigel Farage. Plan A, succeed Kemi. Plan B, rat and succeed Nigel. Plan C, re-rat back to plan A.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,578

    Interesting bet. Not one I will be taking up.

    Unsurprising anti Kemi thread

    Jenrick will not lead the conservative psrty
    I see you’ve not read the thread.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,645
    edited May 6
    Not so much a human colostomy bag, as a clinical waste of a header ?

    Though you did succeed in winding up Big_G.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,470
    Aren't you two days late for the Star Wars references?
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,137
    Well the More In Common MRP has Labour around 700 seats in London and leading. That must be better than they expect

    Mind you if the forecasts are right and they end up around 800 in total it’s an absolute drubbing elsewhere.

    I have a slight suspicion they will do a little better than expected and the dire forecasts are expectation management
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,393

    Sounds like Jenrick has buyer's remorse. Still probably his best chance of being Prime Minister is taking over Reform from Nigel Farage. Plan A, succeed Kemi. Plan B, rat and succeed Nigel. Plan C, re-rat back to plan A.

    Plan D leave politics.
  • rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 9,354
    Can't see Farage turning up the chance to be PM.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,134
    I don’t think there will be a Tory/Reform alliance now that Reform is headed up with characters like Braverman and Jenrick who, let’s not forget, defected so as to cause the maximum damage to the Tory Party. There is too much water under the bridge.

    I think it is entirely possibly, nay even probable, that one will be subsumed into the other after the next GE, but we are not there yet.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,253

    Interesting bet. Not one I will be taking up.

    Unsurprising anti Kemi thread

    Jenrick will not lead the conservative psrty
    Shall we return to this discussion on Friday?

    I won't be meeting with the local Tory group until late June so by that time the dust will have settled. But I suspect their views on Kemi won't have changed.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,871

    Yes, I am comparing Robert Jenrick to Sir Winston Churchill.

    On topic, and so it begins.

    Tory leader Kemi Badenoch refuses to rule out local Reform deals

    https://news.sky.com/video/tory-leader-kemi-badenoch-refuses-to-rule-out-local-reform-deals-13540569

    If it's what the numbers dictate, Ref < Lefties, but Ref + Con > Lefties, the Conservatives may have little choice. However much it taints them and however much personal dislike argues against it.

    Talking of which, Romford is in the news again,

    Billboards on the site of the Conservatives' Romford headquarters featuring local MP Andrew Rosindell who defected from the Conservatives to Reform, have prompted a formal complaint to the Electoral Commission.

    The local Conservatives say they had asked him to take the adverts down after he defected to Reform in January and they lodged the complaint with the elections body on Tuesday.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clypn7w43w1o
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,645
    The Yorkshire Post feud with Tice is entertaining.

    Comments disabled. If there’s a hill I’ll die on it’s the one that has my team speaking truth to power. My journalist has shown you an arse that needs wiping and you’ve chosen to walk about town with it smearing your pants.

    Gerroff, lad.

    https://x.com/JayMitchinson/status/2051771974997758375
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,645
    Tice has to turn off his comments as people have too many questions around his tax affairs. Seemingly that was also a journalist “smearing” him too
    https://x.com/The_A_Disruptor/status/2051787727650050293
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 18,470
    Nigelb said:

    Tice has to turn off his comments as people have too many questions around his tax affairs. Seemingly that was also a journalist “smearing” him too
    https://x.com/The_A_Disruptor/status/2051787727650050293

    "Shadow business trade and energy secretary" LOL. The neck of these people.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,429
    I suspect Burnham is already thinking along the lines of the lead. And isn’t there already one council where Labour is standing down in its coalition partner’s seats, and vice versa?

    The issue with the bet is what qualifies as “Tory leader”. Knowing BF they could easily decide that some merged entity doesn’t equate to the Tory party, and in any case some sort of coupon election along the lines we experienced between the wars is more likely than outright merger under a single leader.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,645
    In other Reform funding news, Farage is still claiming that the £5m bung he received from Reform's largest ever donor has no connection at all with politics.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,035
    Nigelb said:

    In other Reform funding news, Farage is still claiming that the £5m bung he received from Reform's largest ever donor has no connection at all with politics.

    It should matter, but it wont. Just like Trump never released his tax returns.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 56,857
    Nigelb said:

    In other Reform funding news, Farage is still claiming that the £5m bung he received from Reform's largest ever donor has no connection at all with politics.

    We could all do with a few mates like him!

    Though it still doesn't explain why Farage's lady-friend paid for the Clacton house. Farage's must have had loads of spare cash at the time.
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 6,305
    A couple of thoughts on pacts, and lessons from Italy which has evolved into a multi-party system with a strong FPTP element, which the proportional overlay does not correct for.

    1. Who wins becomes the side that is better at making pacts. The right hand a slight electoral edge over the left at the last Italian election in terms of votes, but their real advantage was that any possible left alliance fell apart around how parties had behaved to bring about the election, whilst the parties of the right have been coordinating for 30 years. Polling suggests an almost identical result next time out in terms of votes, but with indications that the left alliance is far more united (the dreamed of 'campo largo' or 'big tent' as we'd say, is operating) that could lead to a very close fought outcome.

    2. An electoral pact and a pact for government are two totally different things - there can be a you stand here, we'll hold back here type pact, but it doesn't follow that the parties will act as one in the chamber, either on day one or, if they do go into power, once disagreements emerge. Don't necessarily expect the Con/LD 2010 coalition again.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,871

    I don’t think there will be a Tory/Reform alliance now that Reform is headed up with characters like Braverman and Jenrick who, let’s not forget, defected so as to cause the maximum damage to the Tory Party. There is too much water under the bridge.

    I think it is entirely possibly, nay even probable, that one will be subsumed into the other after the next GE, but we are not there yet.

    How long did it take in Canada? My recollection is that it needed a generational turnover of personalities.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,578

    Aren't you two days late for the Star Wars references?

    Yay, somebody spotted my subtle Star Wars reference.

    Actually I had planned to run this thread yesterday so I could use this picture below but the moves on the betting markets stopped that.


  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,578

    Yes, I am comparing Robert Jenrick to Sir Winston Churchill.

    On topic, and so it begins.

    Tory leader Kemi Badenoch refuses to rule out local Reform deals

    https://news.sky.com/video/tory-leader-kemi-badenoch-refuses-to-rule-out-local-reform-deals-13540569

    I'm not sure this can be taken as indicative of any kind of national deal. Deals between parties in NOC councils are very common without translating into a national or even local truce in terms of campaigning. Will Tories in a minority position on a number of councils make overtures to Reform councillors in order to gain or keep control of a particular council? Pretty obviously yes.
    I think the issue will be more going into the next election trying to portray Reform as extreme whilst propping them up in dozens of councils.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,137

    Yes, I am comparing Robert Jenrick to Sir Winston Churchill.

    On topic, and so it begins.

    Tory leader Kemi Badenoch refuses to rule out local Reform deals

    https://news.sky.com/video/tory-leader-kemi-badenoch-refuses-to-rule-out-local-reform-deals-13540569

    I'm not sure this can be taken as indicative of any kind of national deal. Deals between parties in NOC councils are very common without translating into a national or even local truce in terms of campaigning. Will Tories in a minority position on a number of councils make overtures to Reform councillors in order to gain or keep control of a particular council? Pretty obviously yes.
    I think the issue will be more going into the next election trying to portray Reform as extreme whilst propping them up in dozens of councils.
    If I was Reform id be more inclined to stay in opposition and snipe from the sidelines
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,578
    Nigelb said:

    Not so much a human colostomy bag, as a clinical waste of a header ?

    Though you did succeed in winding up Big_G.

    There is no intent to wind up Big G, it is a genuine betting thread, the people who made the suggestion to me were entirely sincere.
  • FishingFishing Posts: 6,356
    We are clearly in a turbulent time politically, where the previous party system, which has been cracking since the collapse of the LibDems and rise of the Scottish nationalists in the 2010s, seems doomed.

    As such, it is similar to previous realignments such as the collapse of the Liberals/rise of Labour in the 1910s and 1920s, or the Liberal Unionists joining the Conservatives in the 1880s. It could have happened in the 1970s too but did not, despite the rise of Celtic nationalists and the Alliance. As such, much is in flux.

    For me, I think the likely outcomes, in descending order of probability, are:

    - both on the left and the right, the parties think that they have more in common with each other than divides them, and that disunity only benefits their opponents. Result: RefCon vs GreLab with LDs who knows? Basically back to politics as we were in the 2000s and before maybe with different names.
    - on only one of the left and the right, the coalescing process happens. Result: under the iron laws of FPTP this hands dominance to the other side for the foreseeable future
    - a move towards a more proportional voting system. Result: the current political fragmentation is perpetuated and the country moves towards a more European form of government: perpetual coalitions and shuffling of jobs between parties. This seems to me unlikely, because of its inherent disadvantages; there's no popular interest in changing the voting system; and no real understanding of the issues involved.
    - the current mess continues within the current voting system, with four or five major parties duking it out. Result: wildly unpredictable general elections, huge swings in seats from tiny changes in vote shares, This seems to me the least likely, because as a country we tend to expect firm and stable government, and punish instability. Hung Parliaments and coalitions do not usually allow this (2010-5 was an exception).

    So the first option seems to me the likeliest at this stage, though we shouldn't underestimate the difficulties in herding cats together. The Greens basically run against Labour and Reform against the Conservatives. So we'll see how difficult a process it is.
  • TazTaz Posts: 28,137
    Labour at 4/5 to take Croydon mayoralty seems value to me.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,346
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  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,519
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  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,603

    Yes, I am comparing Robert Jenrick to Sir Winston Churchill.

    On topic, and so it begins.

    Tory leader Kemi Badenoch refuses to rule out local Reform deals

    https://news.sky.com/video/tory-leader-kemi-badenoch-refuses-to-rule-out-local-reform-deals-13540569

    I'm not sure this can be taken as indicative of any kind of national deal. Deals between parties in NOC councils are very common without translating into a national or even local truce in terms of campaigning. Will Tories in a minority position on a number of councils make overtures to Reform councillors in order to gain or keep control of a particular council? Pretty obviously yes.
    I think the issue will be more going into the next election trying to portray Reform as extreme whilst propping them up in dozens of councils.
    Firstly, I don't think that's necessarily the Conservative line against Reform, which is more that they are a bit of a shambles and if you're on the right then you're best off with the party of Churchill and Thatcher.

    Secondly, in a lot of cases where Reform are the largest party, it'd be a question of perhaps not even voting for but abstaining once a year when the leader and cabinet is chosen.

    Thirdly, I think people understand the difference between collecting the bins and running the country.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,155

    Interesting bet. Not one I will be taking up.

    Unsurprising anti Kemi thread

    Jenrick will not lead the conservative psrty
    I see you’ve not read the thread.
    I have read the thread and your comments re Kemi
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,132
    Merger has to be decent probability surely.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,578

    Interesting bet. Not one I will be taking up.

    Unsurprising anti Kemi thread

    Jenrick will not lead the conservative psrty
    I see you’ve not read the thread.
    I have read the thread and your comments re Kemi
    I've not mentioned Kemi in the header.
  • DopermeanDopermean Posts: 3,145
    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    In other Reform funding news, Farage is still claiming that the £5m bung he received from Reform's largest ever donor has no connection at all with politics.

    We could all do with a few mates like him!

    Though it still doesn't explain why Farage's lady-friend paid for the Clacton house. Farage's must have had loads of spare cash at the time.
    Farage would have had to pay 2nd home stamp duty
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,253
    The more interesting issue is whether those successful Reform councillors will still be in place 3 months later. There seems to be a large number of paper candidates for Reform and will they stay the distance when the reality of council funding is made clear by the council officers.

    Scaling up a fringe party to be a national party takes a lot more that money.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,578
    Burnham spinning again?

    Angela Rayner unlikely to win unions’ support to replace Keir Starmer

    ‘All roads lead to Andy Burnham,’ insiders claim as Unite, Unison and GMB appear reluctant to support a leadership challenge from the former deputy


    Britain’s three largest unions are unlikely to back Angela Rayner if she challenges Sir Keir Starmer to become leader of the Labour Party, The Times understands.

    Senior figures in Unite, Unison and GMB, which together account for the majority of the party’s affiliated membership, have signalled that they may not back the former deputy prime minister if she runs against Andy Burnham, the mayor of Greater Manchester, dealing a significant blow to any formal campaign she may mount.

    Rayner has long touted her support for the unions and rose through Unison’s ranks to become its most senior official in the northwest of England before becoming an MP.

    Union backing is key in Labour leadership races and any challenger needs to secure nominations from at least two of them to get on the ballot. Affiliated union members then get a vote in the contest.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/angela-rayner-keir-starmer-news-wlddznvz2
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,951
    Parliamentary code of conduct: “Members are encouraged to seek advice from the Registrar of Members’ Financial Interests if they are in any doubt about whether a course of action is in line with the rules.”

    So, Farage claims they’ve looked thoroughly at the £5 million donation and concluded they don’t have to declare it. Did this involve seeking advice from the Registrar? I’m guessing not.

    The code also says: “If there is any doubt, the benefit should be registered”. So, why was Farage’s team looking at legal angles on this if there wasn’t doubt, and if there was “any doubt”, they should have registered it.

    The code does not provide wriggle room!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    A deal is coming, but too late for Jenrick I think - until the next GE neither side has reason to concede primacy. By that point I think his star will have faded.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,155
    edited May 6

    Interesting bet. Not one I will be taking up.

    Unsurprising anti Kemi thread

    Jenrick will not lead the conservative psrty
    I see you’ve not read the thread.
    I have read the thread and your comments re Kemi
    I've not mentioned Kemi in the header.
    You have in your comments

    However, I accept this is a betting site and however improbable some may want to bet accordingly

    Jenrick will not lead a party I can vote for but it is academic anyway as there isn't a vacancy
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,346

    Burnham spinning again?

    Angela Rayner unlikely to win unions’ support to replace Keir Starmer

    ‘All roads lead to Andy Burnham,’ insiders claim as Unite, Unison and GMB appear reluctant to support a leadership challenge from the former deputy


    Britain’s three largest unions are unlikely to back Angela Rayner if she challenges Sir Keir Starmer to become leader of the Labour Party, The Times understands.

    Senior figures in Unite, Unison and GMB, which together account for the majority of the party’s affiliated membership, have signalled that they may not back the former deputy prime minister if she runs against Andy Burnham, the mayor of Greater Manchester, dealing a significant blow to any formal campaign she may mount.

    Rayner has long touted her support for the unions and rose through Unison’s ranks to become its most senior official in the northwest of England before becoming an MP.

    Union backing is key in Labour leadership races and any challenger needs to secure nominations from at least two of them to get on the ballot. Affiliated union members then get a vote in the contest.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/angela-rayner-keir-starmer-news-wlddznvz2

    And if Angela Rayner stands for the leadership before Andy Burnham is eligible – will they back her then? Note that the Times headline goes further than the story.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,951
    edited May 6
    Dopermean said:

    Foxy said:

    Nigelb said:

    In other Reform funding news, Farage is still claiming that the £5m bung he received from Reform's largest ever donor has no connection at all with politics.

    We could all do with a few mates like him!

    Though it still doesn't explain why Farage's lady-friend paid for the Clacton house. Farage's must have had loads of spare cash at the time.
    Farage would have had to pay 2nd home stamp duty
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/05/farage-partner-refuses-confirm-house-constituency-clacton-laure-ferrari

    Farage’s partner refuses to confirm how she paid for house in his constituency

    French publication Le Monde says Laure Ferrari ‘dodged’ question when quizzed over property purchase in Clacton
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,951

    Burnham spinning again?

    Angela Rayner unlikely to win unions’ support to replace Keir Starmer

    ‘All roads lead to Andy Burnham,’ insiders claim as Unite, Unison and GMB appear reluctant to support a leadership challenge from the former deputy


    Britain’s three largest unions are unlikely to back Angela Rayner if she challenges Sir Keir Starmer to become leader of the Labour Party, The Times understands.

    Senior figures in Unite, Unison and GMB, which together account for the majority of the party’s affiliated membership, have signalled that they may not back the former deputy prime minister if she runs against Andy Burnham, the mayor of Greater Manchester, dealing a significant blow to any formal campaign she may mount.

    Rayner has long touted her support for the unions and rose through Unison’s ranks to become its most senior official in the northwest of England before becoming an MP.

    Union backing is key in Labour leadership races and any challenger needs to secure nominations from at least two of them to get on the ballot. Affiliated union members then get a vote in the contest.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/angela-rayner-keir-starmer-news-wlddznvz2

    They say they may not back her if she runs against Burnham… but if Burnham isn’t running because he’s not an MP, that isn’t a problem!
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 103,809
    The big question for me is whether Reform and the Tories formally merge at some point or technically remain seperate entitites despite being joined in a pact. And what they will call themselves.

    I give it five years.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 47,896
    Don’t think one can trust a man to lead a party let alone a country who can’t wash his woollens. That sweater (M&S?) is bobbled to fuck.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,871

    Burnham spinning again?

    Angela Rayner unlikely to win unions’ support to replace Keir Starmer

    ‘All roads lead to Andy Burnham,’ insiders claim as Unite, Unison and GMB appear reluctant to support a leadership challenge from the former deputy


    Britain’s three largest unions are unlikely to back Angela Rayner if she challenges Sir Keir Starmer to become leader of the Labour Party, The Times understands.

    Senior figures in Unite, Unison and GMB, which together account for the majority of the party’s affiliated membership, have signalled that they may not back the former deputy prime minister if she runs against Andy Burnham, the mayor of Greater Manchester, dealing a significant blow to any formal campaign she may mount.

    Rayner has long touted her support for the unions and rose through Unison’s ranks to become its most senior official in the northwest of England before becoming an MP.

    Union backing is key in Labour leadership races and any challenger needs to secure nominations from at least two of them to get on the ballot. Affiliated union members then get a vote in the contest.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/angela-rayner-keir-starmer-news-wlddznvz2

    Like a record, baby, right round, round, round.

    But Andy only gets the gig if he can persuade everyone that he's already won and the election is a technicality. Otherwise, the obstacles in his way mean that his leadership ambitions are dead, not alive.
  • BattlebusBattlebus Posts: 3,253

    Don’t think one can trust a man to lead a party let alone a country who can’t wash his woollens. That sweater (M&S?) is bobbled to fuck.

    On the question of trust. Just go back and look at the face

    Research into emotional lateralization suggests that the left side of the face is more expressive of emotion due to control by the brain's right hemisphere. Conversely, the right side of the face is better at displaying consciously controlled or "social" emotions, which are heavily influenced by the left hemisphere
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,871
    nico67 said:

    Burnham spinning again?

    Angela Rayner unlikely to win unions’ support to replace Keir Starmer

    ‘All roads lead to Andy Burnham,’ insiders claim as Unite, Unison and GMB appear reluctant to support a leadership challenge from the former deputy


    Britain’s three largest unions are unlikely to back Angela Rayner if she challenges Sir Keir Starmer to become leader of the Labour Party, The Times understands.

    Senior figures in Unite, Unison and GMB, which together account for the majority of the party’s affiliated membership, have signalled that they may not back the former deputy prime minister if she runs against Andy Burnham, the mayor of Greater Manchester, dealing a significant blow to any formal campaign she may mount.

    Rayner has long touted her support for the unions and rose through Unison’s ranks to become its most senior official in the northwest of England before becoming an MP.

    Union backing is key in Labour leadership races and any challenger needs to secure nominations from at least two of them to get on the ballot. Affiliated union members then get a vote in the contest.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/angela-rayner-keir-starmer-news-wlddznvz2

    What if a leadership race starts before the next coming of Christ has had a chance to get back into the Commons ?

    1 Therefore Burnham needs to delay the leadership election.

    2 Therefore left wingers need to fear the 'ditch Starmer get Streeting' scenario.

    3 Therefore this.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,429

    Yes, I am comparing Robert Jenrick to Sir Winston Churchill.

    On topic, and so it begins.

    Tory leader Kemi Badenoch refuses to rule out local Reform deals

    https://news.sky.com/video/tory-leader-kemi-badenoch-refuses-to-rule-out-local-reform-deals-13540569

    I'm not sure this can be taken as indicative of any kind of national deal. Deals between parties in NOC councils are very common without translating into a national or even local truce in terms of campaigning. Will Tories in a minority position on a number of councils make overtures to Reform councillors in order to gain or keep control of a particular council? Pretty obviously yes.
    On the island the Tory leader has publicly ruled out any sort of deal with Reform.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,035

    Parliamentary code of conduct: “Members are encouraged to seek advice from the Registrar of Members’ Financial Interests if they are in any doubt about whether a course of action is in line with the rules.”

    So, Farage claims they’ve looked thoroughly at the £5 million donation and concluded they don’t have to declare it. Did this involve seeking advice from the Registrar? I’m guessing not.

    The code also says: “If there is any doubt, the benefit should be registered”. So, why was Farage’s team looking at legal angles on this if there wasn’t doubt, and if there was “any doubt”, they should have registered it.

    The code does not provide wriggle room!

    They don’t care. It doesn’t matter what the code says.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,951

    Parliamentary code of conduct: “Members are encouraged to seek advice from the Registrar of Members’ Financial Interests if they are in any doubt about whether a course of action is in line with the rules.”

    So, Farage claims they’ve looked thoroughly at the £5 million donation and concluded they don’t have to declare it. Did this involve seeking advice from the Registrar? I’m guessing not.

    The code also says: “If there is any doubt, the benefit should be registered”. So, why was Farage’s team looking at legal angles on this if there wasn’t doubt, and if there was “any doubt”, they should have registered it.

    The code does not provide wriggle room!

    They don’t care. It doesn’t matter what the code says.
    It does if Farage gets suspended from Parliament. It does if that leads to a recall petition, that would undoubtedly lead to a by-election. It does if any investigation drags on and the story just hangs around for ages.
  • isamisam Posts: 44,230
    edited May 6
    Having the paragraph in bold contain the word ‘Tories’ four times, plus a ‘Tory’, is extraordinary

    Somebody hates elegant variation
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 72,155
    Polanski says he was wrong to claim he was a spokesperson for the British Red Cross

    Farage and Polanski will be found out, and this week may well be as good as it get's for them
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    So the other leadership hopefuls are supposed to sit and wait for an MP to stand down . Then No 10 needs to decide when the by-election would be , then Burnham needs to win the by-election.

    Much depends on how vindictive No 10 might be ! Do you make it easy for the backstabbing Judas to inherit the crown?

    I’ve no doubt Starmer can’t stand Burnham and there are still a good chunk of Labour MPs who would like to see his leadership ambitions implode .
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 89,645
    She too right wing for my taste, but within the normal bounds of democracy, and she is in many respects admirable.

    In these days, several fake photos of me are circulating, generated with artificial intelligence and passed off as real by some zealous opponent.

    I must admit that whoever created them, at least in the attached case, has also improved me quite a bit. But the fact remains that, just to attack and invent falsehoods, nowadays anything at all is used.

    The point, however, goes beyond me. Deepfakes are a dangerous tool, because they can deceive, manipulate, and strike anyone. I can defend myself. Many others cannot.

    For this reason, one rule should always apply: verify before believing, and believe before sharing. Because today it happens to me, tomorrow it can happen to anyone.

    https://x.com/GiorgiaMeloni/status/2051672420440764626
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,578
    isam said:

    Having the paragraph in bold contain the word ‘Tories’ four times, plus a ‘Tory’, is extraordinary

    Somebody hates elegant variation

    Somebody’s not read some of Sir Winston Churchill’s works.
  • berberian_knowsberberian_knows Posts: 199
    My survey last night did not exactly set the world alight. The final scores:
    Reform more racist than the Greens: 2
    The Greens more racist than Reform: 2

    That's a MOE of 48% LOL.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 9,134
    nico67 said:

    Burnham spinning again?

    Angela Rayner unlikely to win unions’ support to replace Keir Starmer

    ‘All roads lead to Andy Burnham,’ insiders claim as Unite, Unison and GMB appear reluctant to support a leadership challenge from the former deputy


    Britain’s three largest unions are unlikely to back Angela Rayner if she challenges Sir Keir Starmer to become leader of the Labour Party, The Times understands.

    Senior figures in Unite, Unison and GMB, which together account for the majority of the party’s affiliated membership, have signalled that they may not back the former deputy prime minister if she runs against Andy Burnham, the mayor of Greater Manchester, dealing a significant blow to any formal campaign she may mount.

    Rayner has long touted her support for the unions and rose through Unison’s ranks to become its most senior official in the northwest of England before becoming an MP.

    Union backing is key in Labour leadership races and any challenger needs to secure nominations from at least two of them to get on the ballot. Affiliated union members then get a vote in the contest.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/angela-rayner-keir-starmer-news-wlddznvz2

    What if a leadership race starts before the next coming of Christ has had a chance to get back into the Commons ?

    All the more reason for Streeting to go for it now if he has the numbers.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 22,871

    Parliamentary code of conduct: “Members are encouraged to seek advice from the Registrar of Members’ Financial Interests if they are in any doubt about whether a course of action is in line with the rules.”

    So, Farage claims they’ve looked thoroughly at the £5 million donation and concluded they don’t have to declare it. Did this involve seeking advice from the Registrar? I’m guessing not.

    The code also says: “If there is any doubt, the benefit should be registered”. So, why was Farage’s team looking at legal angles on this if there wasn’t doubt, and if there was “any doubt”, they should have registered it.

    The code does not provide wriggle room!

    They don’t care. It doesn’t matter what the code says.
    It does if Farage gets suspended from Parliament. It does if that leads to a recall petition, that would undoubtedly lead to a by-election. It does if any investigation drags on and the story just hangs around for ages.
    Depends how effectively Nigel can spin it as an establishment plot to destroy the people's hero.
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 8,323
    I expect Rayners HMRC investigation will finish next week.

    Mindful of being seen to interject in the elections the HMRC will have decided to wait till after the vote.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,194

    Interesting bet. Not one I will be taking up.

    Unsurprising anti Kemi thread

    Jenrick will not lead the conservative psrty
    I see you’ve not read the thread.
    I have read the thread and your comments re Kemi
    I've not mentioned Kemi in the header.
    Exactly. You’ve brilliantly removed all references to Kemi in a header all about Kemi. Outrageous.
  • berberian_knowsberberian_knows Posts: 199
    Fishing said:

    We are clearly in a turbulent time politically, where the previous party system, which has been cracking since the collapse of the LibDems and rise of the Scottish nationalists in the 2010s, seems doomed.

    As such, it is similar to previous realignments such as the collapse of the Liberals/rise of Labour in the 1910s and 1920s, or the Liberal Unionists joining the Conservatives in the 1880s. It could have happened in the 1970s too but did not, despite the rise of Celtic nationalists and the Alliance. As such, much is in flux.

    For me, I think the likely outcomes, in descending order of probability, are:

    - both on the left and the right, the parties think that they have more in common with each other than divides them, and that disunity only benefits their opponents. Result: RefCon vs GreLab with LDs who knows? Basically back to politics as we were in the 2000s and before maybe with different names.
    - on only one of the left and the right, the coalescing process happens. Result: under the iron laws of FPTP this hands dominance to the other side for the foreseeable future
    - a move towards a more proportional voting system. Result: the current political fragmentation is perpetuated and the country moves towards a more European form of government: perpetual coalitions and shuffling of jobs between parties. This seems to me unlikely, because of its inherent disadvantages; there's no popular interest in changing the voting system; and no real understanding of the issues involved.
    - the current mess continues within the current voting system, with four or five major parties duking it out. Result: wildly unpredictable general elections, huge swings in seats from tiny changes in vote shares, This seems to me the least likely, because as a country we tend to expect firm and stable government, and punish instability. Hung Parliaments and coalitions do not usually allow this (2010-5 was an exception).

    So the first option seems to me the likeliest at this stage, though we shouldn't underestimate the difficulties in herding cats together. The Greens basically run against Labour and Reform against the Conservatives. So we'll see how difficult a process it is.

    What interests me is that the fourth pertained in 2024 and fragmentation there led to a landslide on a low share of the vote. Is that a feature of FPTP or unique to 2024? Should we be laying NOM regardless of who is top of the heap? Are there any other historic occasions we can look at (in GB national elections or elsewhere)?
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,951
    edited May 6
    The Jeffrey Donaldson case is getting nearer: https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/courts/jeffrey-donaldson-trial-judge-warns-he-will-be-extremely-disappointed-if-case-does-not-open-this-month/a/151086201.html

    Surely this is a bigger scandal than Mandelson, Farage’s £5 million, Partygate or almost anything else (but all still sub judice).
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,603
    IanB2 said:

    Yes, I am comparing Robert Jenrick to Sir Winston Churchill.

    On topic, and so it begins.

    Tory leader Kemi Badenoch refuses to rule out local Reform deals

    https://news.sky.com/video/tory-leader-kemi-badenoch-refuses-to-rule-out-local-reform-deals-13540569

    I'm not sure this can be taken as indicative of any kind of national deal. Deals between parties in NOC councils are very common without translating into a national or even local truce in terms of campaigning. Will Tories in a minority position on a number of councils make overtures to Reform councillors in order to gain or keep control of a particular council? Pretty obviously yes.
    On the island the Tory leader has publicly ruled out any sort of deal with Reform.
    There is no stronger form of confirmation that one will happen.
  • isamisam Posts: 44,230
    edited May 6

    isam said:

    Having the paragraph in bold contain the word ‘Tories’ four times, plus a ‘Tory’, is extraordinary

    Somebody hates elegant variation

    Somebody’s not read some of Sir Winston Churchill’s works.
    I’ve never read any of them. Did he constantly repeat the same word in sentences as well? Doesn’t appeal if so, sounds grating

    The paragraph beginning with ‘Whilst’ is almost unreadable by the way
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 55,429

    Polanski says he was wrong to claim he was a spokesperson for the British Red Cross

    Farage and Polanski will be found out, and this week may well be as good as it get's for them

    He's also right, however, that the same sort of attacks and smears that anyone who challenges from the left runs into are likely starting to come his way. There's a lot of powerful vested interest against many of his ideas.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 61,689
    As expected Russia broke the ceasefire asked for by the Ukranians, almost immediately last night with attacks on civilians.

    So Ukraine has no intention of respecting Russia’s call to stop fighting so they can have a parade on 9th.

    https://x.com/andrii_sybiha/status/2051906086467166242
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,450
    System said:

    Say hello to a future, if not the next, Tory leader? – politicalbetting.com

    Late last month I had discussions with some people who used to work in the Westminster village and when discussing both the immediate future and the long term future they proposed a suggestion that startled me.

    Read the full story here

    Very cute. Not happening
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 59,780
    Sandpit said:

    As expected Russia broke the ceasefire asked for by the Ukranians, almost immediately last night with attacks on civilians.

    So Ukraine has no intention of respecting Russia’s call to stop fighting so they can have a parade on 9th.

    https://x.com/andrii_sybiha/status/2051906086467166242

    "Sorry to rain (drones) on your parade!"
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,578
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Having the paragraph in bold contain the word ‘Tories’ four times, plus a ‘Tory’, is extraordinary

    Somebody hates elegant variation

    Somebody’s not read some of Sir Winston Churchill’s works.
    I’ve never read any of them. Did he constantly repeat the same word in sentences as well? Doesn’t appeal if so, sounds grating
    In one of them he repeated he was a Conservative through and through, you’d have never have known he was a Liberal for 20 years.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 20,951
    isam said:

    isam said:

    Having the paragraph in bold contain the word ‘Tories’ four times, plus a ‘Tory’, is extraordinary

    Somebody hates elegant variation

    Somebody’s not read some of Sir Winston Churchill’s works.
    I’ve never read any of them. Did he constantly repeat the same word in sentences as well? Doesn’t appeal if so, sounds grating

    The paragraph beginning with ‘Whilst’ is almost unreadable by the way
    Well, he won a Nobel prize for Literature, so some people think he was quite a good writer…
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,035
    Zack Polanski: "The Green Party are an anti-racist party"
    Nick Robinson: "You can't just say the words 'we're an anti-racist party' when I've just read you out five of the most revolting comments"

    Lol
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 22,035
    edited May 6
    Snip
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,603
    edited May 6

    The Jeffrey Donaldson case is getting nearer: https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/courts/jeffrey-donaldson-trial-judge-warns-he-will-be-extremely-disappointed-if-case-does-not-open-this-month/a/151086201.html

    Surely this is a bigger scandal than Mandelson, Farage’s £5 million, Partygate or almost anything else.

    It isn't a bigger "scandal". It's a bigger alleged crime. But Donaldson is now an ex-politician with no way back even if he is acquitted.

    What makes a scandal is the wider and ongoing political implications - the questions about the future of Starmer over Mandelson, Johnson over Partygate and possibly Farage over his financial dealings. The Donaldson thing is a potentially grim tale but, unless it does implicate senior figures still on the front line, the impact has already happened.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,578

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Having the paragraph in bold contain the word ‘Tories’ four times, plus a ‘Tory’, is extraordinary

    Somebody hates elegant variation

    Somebody’s not read some of Sir Winston Churchill’s works.
    I’ve never read any of them. Did he constantly repeat the same word in sentences as well? Doesn’t appeal if so, sounds grating

    The paragraph beginning with ‘Whilst’ is almost unreadable by the way
    Well, he won a Nobel prize for Literature, so some people think he was quite a good writer…
    He was a good writer but towards the end his memory let him down which for me lessened the impact of his work, for example he got some of the dates of him becoming PM and the War Cabinet Crisis wrong.
  • isamisam Posts: 44,230

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Having the paragraph in bold contain the word ‘Tories’ four times, plus a ‘Tory’, is extraordinary

    Somebody hates elegant variation

    Somebody’s not read some of Sir Winston Churchill’s works.
    I’ve never read any of them. Did he constantly repeat the same word in sentences as well? Doesn’t appeal if so, sounds grating

    The paragraph beginning with ‘Whilst’ is almost unreadable by the way
    Well, he won a Nobel prize for Literature, so some people think he was quite a good writer…
    Winston Churchill won a Nobel prize for Literature? Well gosh, I didn’t know that Winston Churchill won a Nobel prize for Literature. I’m glad you informed me that Winston Churchill won a Nobel prize for Literature, because now I know that Winston Churchill won a Nobel prize for Literature
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,450

    Battlebus said:

    Yes, I am comparing Robert Jenrick to Sir Winston Churchill.

    On topic, and so it begins.

    Tory leader Kemi Badenoch refuses to rule out local Reform deals

    https://news.sky.com/video/tory-leader-kemi-badenoch-refuses-to-rule-out-local-reform-deals-13540569

    Are you sure she is the leader of the Conservatives and not a Reform plant?
    Just a plant.

    Her pro Tommy Robinson stance and now she’s happy to go into coalition with a party that has a candidate that is pro rape and other candidates who say she isn’t British and needs to be deported tells me she’s not a serious politician.
    She’s never going to answer a hypothetical question especially when there is no upside for her. And she can’t control what local parties do anyway
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 23,194

    The Jeffrey Donaldson case is getting nearer: https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/courts/jeffrey-donaldson-trial-judge-warns-he-will-be-extremely-disappointed-if-case-does-not-open-this-month/a/151086201.html

    Surely this is a bigger scandal than Mandelson, Farage’s £5 million, Partygate or almost anything else (but all still sub judice).

    I’d have thought the SNP case conveniently after the elections is likely bigger.
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,603

    Zack Polanski: "The Green Party are an anti-racist party"
    Nick Robinson: "You can't just say the words 'we're an anti-racist party' when I've just read you out five of the most revolting comments"

    Lol

    The Corbyn tribute act continues. Has he insisted he's against "all forms" of racism yet?
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 36,346

    isam said:

    Having the paragraph in bold contain the word ‘Tories’ four times, plus a ‘Tory’, is extraordinary

    Somebody hates elegant variation

    Somebody’s not read some of Sir Winston Churchill’s works.
    Or his bank statements. Churchill was regularly skint and bailed out by admirers, and who put his own spin on tax laws.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 136,875
    There is no way the Tories would agree a takeover by Reform, let alone be led by Jenrick now, it would mean the end of the party as an independent party. 1/3 of Conservative voters also would go LD over Reform so it would weaken the right overall. Farage anyway has made clear his aim is to destroy the Tories now not do a deal with them, he would aim to reduce the Tories to a rump of less than 50 MPs at the next general election and then take them over.

    Churchill of course was for a time a Liberal but only over a genuine difference of opinion on tariff reform and free trade with the Tories he did not leave the party out of pure opportunism like Jenrick
  • SirNorfolkPassmoreSirNorfolkPassmore Posts: 7,603

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Having the paragraph in bold contain the word ‘Tories’ four times, plus a ‘Tory’, is extraordinary

    Somebody hates elegant variation

    Somebody’s not read some of Sir Winston Churchill’s works.
    I’ve never read any of them. Did he constantly repeat the same word in sentences as well? Doesn’t appeal if so, sounds grating

    The paragraph beginning with ‘Whilst’ is almost unreadable by the way
    Well, he won a Nobel prize for Literature, so some people think he was quite a good writer…
    I do kind of see that one as a bit like Ukraine winning Eurovision in 2022 - few begrudge them the victory, but it pretty obviously wasn't the best song.

    Churchill wasn't at all bad as a writer, but there were clearly other reasons at play for the award.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,450
    kle4 said:

    The big question for me is whether Reform and the Tories formally merge at some point or technically remain seperate entitites despite being joined in a pact. And what they will call themselves.

    I give it five years.

    Tory Reform Group would be nice
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 128,578

    isam said:

    Having the paragraph in bold contain the word ‘Tories’ four times, plus a ‘Tory’, is extraordinary

    Somebody hates elegant variation

    Somebody’s not read some of Sir Winston Churchill’s works.
    Or his bank statements. Churchill was regularly skint and bailed out by admirers, and who put his own spin on tax laws.
    I nearly made reference to the Dirty Desmond scandal and Churchill’s scandals with the Royal Dutch Shell and Burmah Anglo-Persian Oil companies.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,393
    Nigelb said:

    Aren't you two days late for the Star Wars references?

    May the Sith be with you.
    It's all a load of Hand Solo...
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,702

    nico67 said:

    Burnham spinning again?

    Angela Rayner unlikely to win unions’ support to replace Keir Starmer

    ‘All roads lead to Andy Burnham,’ insiders claim as Unite, Unison and GMB appear reluctant to support a leadership challenge from the former deputy


    Britain’s three largest unions are unlikely to back Angela Rayner if she challenges Sir Keir Starmer to become leader of the Labour Party, The Times understands.

    Senior figures in Unite, Unison and GMB, which together account for the majority of the party’s affiliated membership, have signalled that they may not back the former deputy prime minister if she runs against Andy Burnham, the mayor of Greater Manchester, dealing a significant blow to any formal campaign she may mount.

    Rayner has long touted her support for the unions and rose through Unison’s ranks to become its most senior official in the northwest of England before becoming an MP.

    Union backing is key in Labour leadership races and any challenger needs to secure nominations from at least two of them to get on the ballot. Affiliated union members then get a vote in the contest.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/angela-rayner-keir-starmer-news-wlddznvz2

    What if a leadership race starts before the next coming of Christ has had a chance to get back into the Commons ?

    All the more reason for Streeting to go for it now if he has the numbers.
    Yes, my 2 betting positions (SKS to survive this year and Streeting next PM) are a little bit contra correlated. The first probably makes the second less likely. But I only need one to come in to attain the sunlit uplands of net profit.
  • StillWatersStillWaters Posts: 13,450

    Burnham spinning again?

    Angela Rayner unlikely to win unions’ support to replace Keir Starmer

    ‘All roads lead to Andy Burnham,’ insiders claim as Unite, Unison and GMB appear reluctant to support a leadership challenge from the former deputy


    Britain’s three largest unions are unlikely to back Angela Rayner if she challenges Sir Keir Starmer to become leader of the Labour Party, The Times understands.

    Senior figures in Unite, Unison and GMB, which together account for the majority of the party’s affiliated membership, have signalled that they may not back the former deputy prime minister if she runs against Andy Burnham, the mayor of Greater Manchester, dealing a significant blow to any formal campaign she may mount.

    Rayner has long touted her support for the unions and rose through Unison’s ranks to become its most senior official in the northwest of England before becoming an MP.

    Union backing is key in Labour leadership races and any challenger needs to secure nominations from at least two of them to get on the ballot. Affiliated union members then get a vote in the contest.


    https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/angela-rayner-keir-starmer-news-wlddznvz2

    Like a record, baby, right round, round, round.

    But Andy only gets the gig if he can persuade everyone that he's already won and the election is a technicality. Otherwise, the obstacles in his way mean that his leadership ambitions are dead, not alive.
    Schrodinger’s candidate?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 50,702
    Scott_xP said:

    @markjacob.bsky.social‬

    Trump announces that because of "Great Progress" the strait will remain closed. You read that right.

    https://bsky.app/profile/markjacob.bsky.social/post/3ml5cq7flck23

    @lordrickettsp.bsky.social‬

    Complete chaos in Washington on what to do about Hormuz. The Iranians will surely conclude that they have deterred the latest US effort to get ships moving and that Trump is desperate for a deal before he goes to China. So they will toughen their negotiating demands. And the price of oil stays high.

    "Great progress" on a deal says Comical Donny.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 60,393
    isam said:

    isam said:

    isam said:

    Having the paragraph in bold contain the word ‘Tories’ four times, plus a ‘Tory’, is extraordinary

    Somebody hates elegant variation

    Somebody’s not read some of Sir Winston Churchill’s works.
    I’ve never read any of them. Did he constantly repeat the same word in sentences as well? Doesn’t appeal if so, sounds grating

    The paragraph beginning with ‘Whilst’ is almost unreadable by the way
    Well, he won a Nobel prize for Literature, so some people think he was quite a good writer…
    Winston Churchill won a Nobel prize for Literature? Well gosh, I didn’t know that Winston Churchill won a Nobel prize for Literature. I’m glad you informed me that Winston Churchill won a Nobel prize for Literature, because now I know that Winston Churchill won a Nobel prize for Literature
    But did you know that Bob Dylan won a Nobel Prize for Literature? You'll be glad I informed you that Bob Dylan won a Nobel prize for Literature, because now you'll know that Bob Dylan won a Nobel prize for Literature.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 43,519
    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    Iran’s Ambassador to Pakistan mocks Trump’s latest retreat.

    https://bsky.app/profile/chadbourn.bsky.social/post/3ml67ygv4y22l

    @chadbourn.bsky.social‬

    China has called for a “complete cessation of hostilities” in Iran with “the utmost urgency”.

    Xi has Trump wriggling on a hook now. Trump is off to Beijing in a few days and his ego won’t allow his big trip blowing up in his face…or getting cancelled. Explains some of his flipflopping.
  • BatteryCorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorse Posts: 7,132
    Nigelb said:

    She too right wing for my taste, but within the normal bounds of democracy, and she is in many respects admirable.

    In these days, several fake photos of me are circulating, generated with artificial intelligence and passed off as real by some zealous opponent.

    I must admit that whoever created them, at least in the attached case, has also improved me quite a bit. But the fact remains that, just to attack and invent falsehoods, nowadays anything at all is used.

    The point, however, goes beyond me. Deepfakes are a dangerous tool, because they can deceive, manipulate, and strike anyone. I can defend myself. Many others cannot.

    For this reason, one rule should always apply: verify before believing, and believe before sharing. Because today it happens to me, tomorrow it can happen to anyone.

    https://x.com/GiorgiaMeloni/status/2051672420440764626

    She went up a lot in my estimation when she took on Trump and refused to back down.
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