Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
I don't know if anybody on here listens to the Rest is History, but they've just done a good series about Britain in the mid 70s.
It's worth listening to, if only to reflect on how far we've come since then. Back in those days, an inept and unpopular Labour government was shovelling unearned pay increases at its trade union masters, failing to deal with inflation caused mainly by high oil prices, rolling over in its relations with Europe, gaining the contempt of a conservative American administration, facing a new and untried female Conservative leader and completely lacking a sense of vision or direction about how it was going to make the country a better place.
In fact, the only thing keeping the Prime Minister in power was the suspicion that all the alternatives would be even worse.
So thank God we've moved on so far from those dark days.
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
Well considering “zionist genocide” is anti Semitic blood libel you’ve really proven the point.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
I don't know if anybody on here listens to the Rest is History, but they've just done a good series about Britain in the mid 70s.
It's worth listening to, if only to reflect on how far we've come since then. Back in those days, an inept and unpopular Labour government was shovelling unearned pay increases at its trade union masters, failing to deal with inflation caused mainly by high oil prices, rolling over in its relations with Europe, gaining the contempt of a conservative American administration, facing a new and untried female Conservative leader and completely lacking a sense of vision or direction about how it was going to make the country a better place.
In fact, the only thing keeping the Prime Minister in power was the suspicion that all the alternatives would be even worse.
So thank God we've moved on so far from those dark days.
Is there a parallel to a government that didn’t build or invest while interest rates were at 0%?
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
Well considering “zionist genocide” is anti Semitic blood libel you’ve really proven the point.
So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?
A mix of history - Wales has never really functioned as a stand-alone polity - economics and geography, as you say - the traditional tie between nationalism and the language, which serves to exclude non-Welsh speakers (not an issue in Scotland given Gaelic's obscurity) - and the fact that large populations in both South and to a lesser extent North East Wales were originally immigrants from England
As the late Mr Salmond himself said, Scottish independence is an economic cause, Welsh independence a cultural one.
Trouble is, the SNP can't make that economic case.
Which is why they don't try any more. It's all lightly veiled Anglophobia now, must get away from the terrible English and their perfidious schemes to crush Scotland.
I’m sure you have a list of examples of this Anglophobia, it being so lightly veiled and all. Would be interested to see it.
I just want get away from the terrible wankers that the English elect and therefore govern us. We of course have our own wankers and despite the absolutely pisspoor opposition, at least don’t have them imposed on us.
Do you have this reaction to the sight of British strawberries from Aberdeenshire?
THEY’RE AT IT AGAIN.. Scottish grown produce stamped with a butcher’s apron. I wanted some new season fruit.. but they had a “Jack” .. so I put them back. No sale today Lidl. Went to Aldi instead.
Not for the first time you seem to have confused politicians with randoms on Twitter.
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
Well considering “zionist genocide” is anti Semitic blood libel you’ve really proven the point.
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
You support a racist party.
No i support the only party that isn't racist.
Plus if you do not support the only Party led by a Jew you are an Anti Semite
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
Well considering “zionist genocide” is anti Semitic blood libel you’ve really proven the point.
You must have learned when you were a child that just because Wikipedia says something it doesn’t mean that it’s true.
In March 2024, the United Nations stated that more children had died in Gaza between October 2023 and February 2024 than the sum of all global conflicts from 2019 to 2022.[156] Catherine M. Russell, the head of UNICEF, stated, "We haven’t seen that rate of death among children in almost any other conflict in the world".[157] In late September 2024, Oxfam and Action on Armed Violence reported that the number of children killed in Gaza over the past year was the highest recorded in a single year for any conflict worldwide in the last 20 years.[158]
Applying the Hayward projections to the current seat totals for those up for election, suggests Labour might be looking at winning only about 400 seats, with the Tories on about 500, the LibDems on 800, with about 400 independents, the Greens winning around 700 and Reform 1,700. If the actual results are anything like that, it doesn't look like a "disappointing night" for the LibDems?
In better days, most of those Greem seats would have gone LibDem - and a bunch of the Reform wins too.
Do you expect the LibDems to win any new councils?
In London the three they have look like comfortable holds (probably larger majorities), and there's a decent chance of control or at least largest party in Merton. There will be others where Labour is likely to lose control and the LibDems look to be well-placed, including Camden. Both halves of Surrey could go LibDem, and they look to do well in the rural Hampshire authorities, Somerset, Cambs, and some of the councils to the north of London. Brentwood ought to be on the list but I expect Reform will be more competitive there.
Thanks.
I think I confused myself with some of the old councils and new councils in areas being reorganised, like Surrey. The new ‘two halves’ have their first election next year, with this year’s being elections for the old councils for the fag end remaining final year of. So I’d be looking to the existing Surrey and Hampshire country councils, in areas like Woking and Winchester, and indeed widely across most of both counties, for LD gains
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
Well considering “zionist genocide” is anti Semitic blood libel you’ve really proven the point.
You must have learned when you were a child that just because Wikipedia says something it doesn’t mean that it’s true.
In March 2024, the United Nations stated that more children had died in Gaza between October 2023 and February 2024 than the sum of all global conflicts from 2019 to 2022.[156] Catherine M. Russell, the head of UNICEF, stated, "We haven’t seen that rate of death among children in almost any other conflict in the world".[157] In late September 2024, Oxfam and Action on Armed Violence reported that the number of children killed in Gaza over the past year was the highest recorded in a single year for any conflict worldwide in the last 20 years.[158]
That doesn’t prove anything, especially not genocide.
Good grief.
The United Nations, UNICEF and Oxfam are not arbiters of the truth.
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
You support a racist party.
No i support the only party that isn't racist.
Plus if you do not support the only Party led by a Jew you are an Anti Semite
Your deputy leader said October 7th was justified. Do you want to call for his resignation?
Jesus X Christ. The people on TwiX complaining about the police kicking the knife suspect WHO WAS REFUSING TO SURRENDER AND STILL HOLDING A KNIFE. JUST AFTER BRUTALLY STABBING TWO JEWS
They are insane and they are all on the hard left and they are all deeply anti-Semitic. And so many come from the Celtic fringe it is bizarre. Scot Nats, Irish of all stripes, even - I am ashamed to admit - Cornish “nationalists”
I think Celtic Nats somehow see themselves as like the persecuted Palestinians. It is so utterly cringe and pathetic and they have a mental age of 8
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
Well considering “zionist genocide” is anti Semitic blood libel you’ve really proven the point.
You must have learned when you were a child that just because Wikipedia says something it doesn’t mean that it’s true.
In March 2024, the United Nations stated that more children had died in Gaza between October 2023 and February 2024 than the sum of all global conflicts from 2019 to 2022.[156] Catherine M. Russell, the head of UNICEF, stated, "We haven’t seen that rate of death among children in almost any other conflict in the world".[157] In late September 2024, Oxfam and Action on Armed Violence reported that the number of children killed in Gaza over the past year was the highest recorded in a single year for any conflict worldwide in the last 20 years.[158]
That doesn’t prove anything, especially not genocide.
Good grief.
The United Nations, UNICEF and Oxfam are not arbiters of the truth.
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
Well considering “zionist genocide” is anti Semitic blood libel you’ve really proven the point.
You must have learned when you were a child that just because Wikipedia says something it doesn’t mean that it’s true.
In March 2024, the United Nations stated that more children had died in Gaza between October 2023 and February 2024 than the sum of all global conflicts from 2019 to 2022.[156] Catherine M. Russell, the head of UNICEF, stated, "We haven’t seen that rate of death among children in almost any other conflict in the world".[157] In late September 2024, Oxfam and Action on Armed Violence reported that the number of children killed in Gaza over the past year was the highest recorded in a single year for any conflict worldwide in the last 20 years.[158]
That doesn’t prove anything, especially not genocide.
Good grief.
The United Nations, UNICEF and Oxfam are not arbiters of the truth.
Its evidence enough that throwing around the term 'Blood Libel' is absurd. Do they not do an intro to defamation at Northumbria?
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
Well considering “zionist genocide” is anti Semitic blood libel you’ve really proven the point.
You must have learned when you were a child that just because Wikipedia says something it doesn’t mean that it’s true.
In March 2024, the United Nations stated that more children had died in Gaza between October 2023 and February 2024 than the sum of all global conflicts from 2019 to 2022.[156] Catherine M. Russell, the head of UNICEF, stated, "We haven’t seen that rate of death among children in almost any other conflict in the world".[157] In late September 2024, Oxfam and Action on Armed Violence reported that the number of children killed in Gaza over the past year was the highest recorded in a single year for any conflict worldwide in the last 20 years.[158]
That doesn’t prove anything, especially not genocide.
Good grief.
The United Nations, UNICEF and Oxfam are not arbiters of the truth.
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
You support a racist party.
No i support the only party that isn't racist.
Plus if you do not support the only Party led by a Jew you are an Anti Semite
Your deputy leader said October 7th was justified. Do you want to call for his resignation?
Would that not cross the boundary into criminal territory ?
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
Well considering “zionist genocide” is anti Semitic blood libel you’ve really proven the point.
You must have learned when you were a child that just because Wikipedia says something it doesn’t mean that it’s true.
If you’re quick, you can edit your contentious point into Wikipedia and then whizz back here to cite it to gullible PB’ers as conclusive proof of your argument!
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
You support a racist party.
No i support the only party that isn't racist.
Plus if you do not support the only Party led by a Jew you are an Anti Semite
Your deputy leader said October 7th was justified. Do you want to call for his resignation?
No that game is up. October 7th was wrong but so was every death since 1948 and we know which side has committed most of the atrocities.
Anyone who supports the racist endeavour that Israel has become must automatically be racist surely.
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
Well considering “zionist genocide” is anti Semitic blood libel you’ve really proven the point.
You must have learned when you were a child that just because Wikipedia says something it doesn’t mean that it’s true.
In March 2024, the United Nations stated that more children had died in Gaza between October 2023 and February 2024 than the sum of all global conflicts from 2019 to 2022.[156] Catherine M. Russell, the head of UNICEF, stated, "We haven’t seen that rate of death among children in almost any other conflict in the world".[157] In late September 2024, Oxfam and Action on Armed Violence reported that the number of children killed in Gaza over the past year was the highest recorded in a single year for any conflict worldwide in the last 20 years.[158]
That doesn’t prove anything, especially not genocide.
Good grief.
The United Nations, UNICEF and Oxfam are not arbiters of the truth.
Its evidence enough that throwing around the term 'Blood Libel' is absurd. Do they not do an intro to defamation at Northumbria?
Jesus X Christ. The people on TwiX complaining about the police kicking the knife suspect WHO WAS REFUSING TO SURRENDER AND STILL HOLDING A KNIFE. JUST AFTER BRUTALLY STABBING TWO JEWS
They are insane and they are all on the hard left and they are all deeply anti-Semitic. And so many come from the Celtic fringe it is bizarre. Scot Nats, Irish of all stripes, even - I am ashamed to admit - Cornish “nationalists”
I think Celtic Nats somehow see themselves as like the persecuted Palestinians. It is so utterly cringe and pathetic and they have a mental age of 8
Lots of idiots on Twitter. Thank God you're on there too so we can hear all about it.
Starmer is both labour and the county's problem and labour need to act next weekend to lance the boil
Cabinet ministers need to ask how long can they continue supporting such a lame duck PM and at the same time handing Reform and the Greens tens of thousands of votes
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
There are laws on the statute book to prosecute incitement to racial hatred, and I think you could argue that these could be enforced more diligently on those whose rhetoric in support of Palestine crosses over into Jew-hatred.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
You support a racist party.
No i support the only party that isn't racist.
Plus if you do not support the only Party led by a Jew you are an Anti Semite
Your deputy leader said October 7th was justified. Do you want to call for his resignation?
I don't know if anybody on here listens to the Rest is History, but they've just done a good series about Britain in the mid 70s.
It's worth listening to, if only to reflect on how far we've come since then. Back in those days, an inept and unpopular Labour government was shovelling unearned pay increases at its trade union masters, failing to deal with inflation caused mainly by high oil prices, rolling over in its relations with Europe, gaining the contempt of a conservative American administration, facing a new and untried female Conservative leader and completely lacking a sense of vision or direction about how it was going to make the country a better place.
In fact, the only thing keeping the Prime Minister in power was the suspicion that all the alternatives would be even worse.
So thank God we've moved on so far from those dark days.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
Absolutely agree but what I think does complicate it is, as we’ve seen here from time to time, any criticism of Israel can be met by cries of anti semitism.
Why don’t we just make social media go back to 2011 when it was actually good
Because the ways in which it is bad are profitable and no-one is yet willing to confront the tech companies to enforce the necessary regulation.
Yes, to a degree, I agree with that, but I'm not certain that X is actually more profitable than Twitter was. Musk is burning money to promote his politics.
Rich people have always done that, by e.g. buying a newspaper, but social media ratchets up the effect.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
Absolutely agree but what I think does complicate it is, as we’ve seen here from time to time, any criticism of Israel can be met by cries of anti semitism.
Because Israel is held to a higher standard than any other nation on earth…
Jesus X Christ. The people on TwiX complaining about the police kicking the knife suspect WHO WAS REFUSING TO SURRENDER AND STILL HOLDING A KNIFE. JUST AFTER BRUTALLY STABBING TWO JEWS
They are insane and they are all on the hard left and they are all deeply anti-Semitic. And so many come from the Celtic fringe it is bizarre. Scot Nats, Irish of all stripes, even - I am ashamed to admit - Cornish “nationalists”
I think Celtic Nats somehow see themselves as like the persecuted Palestinians. It is so utterly cringe and pathetic and they have a mental age of 8
Social media is an amplifier for idiots, and X is the loudest.
Jesus X Christ. The people on TwiX complaining about the police kicking the knife suspect WHO WAS REFUSING TO SURRENDER AND STILL HOLDING A KNIFE. JUST AFTER BRUTALLY STABBING TWO JEWS
They are insane and they are all on the hard left and they are all deeply anti-Semitic. And so many come from the Celtic fringe it is bizarre. Scot Nats, Irish of all stripes, even - I am ashamed to admit - Cornish “nationalists”
I think Celtic Nats somehow see themselves as like the persecuted Palestinians. It is so utterly cringe and pathetic and they have a mental age of 8
Whenever I see something outrageous posted by a random I haven't heard of on social media I pretty much reflexively leap to the thought that it's probably been posted by a tragic wage slave in a St Petersburg troll factory, and it just washes past me.
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
You support a racist party.
No i support the only party that isn't racist.
Plus if you do not support the only Party led by a Jew you are an Anti Semite
Your deputy leader said October 7th was justified. Do you want to call for his resignation?
Would that not cross the boundary into criminal territory ?
Probably. You are not supposed to express support for terrorist organisations or their actions, of which Hamas is one.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
Absolutely agree but what I think does complicate it is, as we’ve seen here from time to time, any criticism of Israel can be met by cries of anti semitism.
I think I (and many others) have shown that it isn't.
So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?
A mix of history - Wales has never really functioned as a stand-alone polity - economics and geography, as you say - the traditional tie between nationalism and the language, which serves to exclude non-Welsh speakers (not an issue in Scotland given Gaelic's obscurity) - and the fact that large populations in both South and to a lesser extent North East Wales were originally immigrants from England
As the late Mr Salmond himself said, Scottish independence is an economic cause, Welsh independence a cultural one.
Trouble is, the SNP can't make that economic case.
Which is why they don't try any more. It's all lightly veiled Anglophobia now, must get away from the terrible English and their perfidious schemes to crush Scotland.
I’m sure you have a list of examples of this Anglophobia, it being so lightly veiled and all. Would be interested to see it.
I just want get away from the terrible wankers that the English elect and therefore govern us. We of course have our own wankers and despite the absolutely pisspoor opposition, at least don’t have them imposed on us.
Do you have this reaction to the sight of British strawberries from Aberdeenshire?
THEY’RE AT IT AGAIN.. Scottish grown produce stamped with a butcher’s apron. I wanted some new season fruit.. but they had a “Jack” .. so I put them back. No sale today Lidl. Went to Aldi instead.
Not sure why people can’t distinguish between Jews living in the UK and the Netenyahu government ?
Unfortunately whether people like to admit it or not the spike in attacks here has correlated with the IDFs collective punishment of Gazans . And we’ve seen a further spike as the IDF started killing people in the Lebanon .
The BBC had a graph and it clearly shows what’s happened post Gaza .
To state reality now is no no in the UK . It’s not condoning violence to simply point out what’s happened .
Netenyahu should STFU with his lectures and criticism of the UK government.
Jesus X Christ. The people on TwiX complaining about the police kicking the knife suspect WHO WAS REFUSING TO SURRENDER AND STILL HOLDING A KNIFE. JUST AFTER BRUTALLY STABBING TWO JEWS
They are insane and they are all on the hard left and they are all deeply anti-Semitic. And so many come from the Celtic fringe it is bizarre. Scot Nats, Irish of all stripes, even - I am ashamed to admit - Cornish “nationalists”
I think Celtic Nats somehow see themselves as like the persecuted Palestinians. It is so utterly cringe and pathetic and they have a mental age of 8
Whenever I see something outrageous posted by a random I haven't heard of on social media I pretty much reflexively leap to the thought that it's probably been posted by a tragic wage slave in a St Petersburg troll factory, and it just washes past me.
Given the rates of pay - probably a Rwandan local hired out of St Petersburg…
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
I agree with your last paragraph, I think most people would.
But Labour have shown very little concern about winning back votes lost due to their position on Gaza (which is not only Muslim votes by the way).
It's one of the reasons the Green Party is doing so well.
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
My second proposal for action on antisemitism is... use Polanski. He is Jewish and proud of that. He is very opposed to the current Israeli govt and their actions. He should be well placed to say that you can oppose what Israel is doing invading its neighbours without falling into antisemitism.
Whether he can actually make that distinction and whether he wants to, I don't know. Some statements he's made have not seemed so helpful.
Why don’t we just make social media go back to 2011 when it was actually good
Because the ways in which it is bad are profitable and no-one is yet willing to confront the tech companies to enforce the necessary regulation.
Yes, to a degree, I agree with that, but I'm not certain that X is actually more profitable than Twitter was. Musk is burning money to promote his politics.
Rich people have always done that, by e.g. buying a newspaper, but social media ratchets up the effect.
Yes. Twitter stands out as being a bit different in that way. Although I suppose you could argue that tiktok works in a similar way for the Chinese government.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
Genuine question to those loudly exhorting folk to show solidarity with British Jews and to stop conflating them with Israel. Should British Jews make statements distancing themselves from the state of Israel and its actions? It might clear up where the conflating bit starts.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
I am in most of my views leftish-liberal, but I really despair at the equivocations around antisemitism from so many on the left. If you can't condemn antisemitism without some mealy-mouthed qualification concerning Israel and Zionism, frankly I don't give any credence to your claims to be an anti-racist.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
The same argument applies to anti racism surely. You're happy with that? Like it or not there is a view in society that anti semitism is more acceptable because of Gaza. That's a problem for us all.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
Absolutely agree but what I think does complicate it is, as we’ve seen here from time to time, any criticism of Israel can be met by cries of anti semitism.
Because Israel is held to a higher standard than any other nation on earth…
Ah, that old canard which is usually trotted out 👍
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They don't have to ban the Internet. They could just push for social media to go back to the moderation policies they had a few years ago and to try a bit harder to not spread hate.
Make social media companies more responsible for what is on their platforms and what the algorithm serves to people.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
Absolutely agree but what I think does complicate it is, as we’ve seen here from time to time, any criticism of Israel can be met by cries of anti semitism.
Because Israel is held to a higher standard than any other nation on earth…
Ah, that old canard which is usually trotted out 👍
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They don't have to ban the Internet. They could just push for social media to go back to the moderation policies they had a few years ago and to try a bit harder to not spread hate.
Make social media companies more responsible for what is on their platforms and what the algorithm serves to people.
But who defines what hate is. Twitter has gone from one extreme to the other. Previously perfectly valid opinions got bans, now it’s a free for all.
Not sure why people can’t distinguish between Jews living in the UK and the Netenyahu government ?
Unfortunately whether people like to admit it or not the spike in attacks here has correlated with the IDFs collective punishment of Gazans . And we’ve seen a further spike as the IDF started killing people in the Lebanon .
The BBC had a graph and it clearly shows what’s happened post Gaza .
To state reality now is no no in the UK . It’s not condoning violence to simply point out what’s happened .
Netenyahu should STFU with his lectures and criticism of the UK government.
The attacks on Jews that we are talking about are attacks on British citizens occurring in Britain, so I think we should concentrate on what we can do in Britain to prevent them, and the causes that are within our control.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
Genuine question to those loudly exhorting folk to show solidarity with British Jews and to stop conflating them with Israel. Should British Jews make statements distancing themselves from the state of Israel and its actions? It might clear up where the conflating bit starts.
It’s antisemitism btw.
Should we have a Loyalty Oath test for Palestinians, Muslims, Irish, Scots -
“I solemnly abjure the following list of wrong think, so I can have civil rights”
Right, I’d love to hang around to be told I hate all Jews for my disdain at the action of Bibi’s regime in Gaza, S Lebanon and Iran, but I had a lovely morning on my bike with a close pass from a GoNorthEast bus driver caught on my helmets camera. Report going in. Fuck GoNorthEast, and it’s lovely and sunny so a walk this afternoon with the wife is now on the agenda.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
Genuine question to those loudly exhorting folk to show solidarity with British Jews and to stop conflating them with Israel. Should British Jews make statements distancing themselves from the state of Israel and its actions? It might clear up where the conflating bit starts.
It’s antisemitism btw.
No. Jewish British citizens have an unqualified right to live in Britain with the expectation that they will be safe from attack by anti-semites. There should be no suggestion that they need to make a purity statement to earn that right.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
Genuine question to those loudly exhorting folk to show solidarity with British Jews and to stop conflating them with Israel. Should British Jews make statements distancing themselves from the state of Israel and its actions? It might clear up where the conflating bit starts.
It’s antisemitism btw.
I don't believe that they should be under any obligation to do so. They are all, as Brits, entitled to their own opinions and some might even agree with Israel's policies. That is their right. Wouldn't dispute that it might help a bit if some of the more prominent chose to do so though.
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Zionists claim that criticizing Israel or opposing Zionism is antisemitic. Meanwhile, tens of thousands of Orthodox Jews gather in New York to declare that Zionism violates the Jewish faith and does not represent Judaism.
Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
My second proposal for action on antisemitism is... use Polanski. He is Jewish and proud of that. He is very opposed to the current Israeli govt and their actions. He should be well placed to say that you can oppose what Israel is doing invading its neighbours without falling into antisemitism.
Whether he can actually make that distinction and whether he wants to, I don't know. Some statements he's made have not seemed so helpful.
I think this is an excellent idea. I would say there is a need to draw a very clear and very wide distinction between antisemitism and anti-Zionism. The first we should treat far more seriously than we currently do both at societal and Governmental level. But we should not allow the pro Zionists to conflate the two. They are on no way the same.
So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?
A mix of history - Wales has never really functioned as a stand-alone polity - economics and geography, as you say - the traditional tie between nationalism and the language, which serves to exclude non-Welsh speakers (not an issue in Scotland given Gaelic's obscurity) - and the fact that large populations in both South and to a lesser extent North East Wales were originally immigrants from England
As the late Mr Salmond himself said, Scottish independence is an economic cause, Welsh independence a cultural one.
Trouble is, the SNP can't make that economic case.
Which is why they don't try any more. It's all lightly veiled Anglophobia now, must get away from the terrible English and their perfidious schemes to crush Scotland.
I’m sure you have a list of examples of this Anglophobia, it being so lightly veiled and all. Would be interested to see it.
I just want get away from the terrible wankers that the English elect and therefore govern us. We of course have our own wankers and despite the absolutely pisspoor opposition, at least don’t have them imposed on us.
There was a time when England voted Tory and Labour ran the country because of Scottish MP's.
I am broadly sympathetic to Scottish Independence. If the majority of Scots want it then so be it. I certainly don't think the UK government should suppress it. But I am yet to see a clear case that the majority of Scots DO want independence. Pegging it to local elections, or even the general election results is not enough, as people vote for different things.
Jesus X Christ. The people on TwiX complaining about the police kicking the knife suspect WHO WAS REFUSING TO SURRENDER AND STILL HOLDING A KNIFE. JUST AFTER BRUTALLY STABBING TWO JEWS
They are insane and they are all on the hard left and they are all deeply anti-Semitic. And so many come from the Celtic fringe it is bizarre. Scot Nats, Irish of all stripes, even - I am ashamed to admit - Cornish “nationalists”
I think Celtic Nats somehow see themselves as like the persecuted Palestinians. It is so utterly cringe and pathetic and they have a mental age of 8
Whenever I see something outrageous posted by a random I haven't heard of on social media I pretty much reflexively leap to the thought that it's probably been posted by a tragic wage slave in a St Petersburg troll factory, and it just washes past me.
Which is a pretty convenient way to ignore genuinely troubling opinions, held by real live people, who encourage others to do the awful antisemitic crimes we are now seeing daily
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They don't have to ban the Internet. They could just push for social media to go back to the moderation policies they had a few years ago and to try a bit harder to not spread hate.
Make social media companies more responsible for what is on their platforms and what the algorithm serves to people.
You mean go back to the social media rules when X was run by the Woke left and they banned billions of right wing accounts and, at the behest of the Democratic Party in DC, literally censored prohibited discussion of stuff like “lab leak” because it was seen to assist Trump?
You want to go back to THAT social media? How surprising
So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?
A mix of history - Wales has never really functioned as a stand-alone polity - economics and geography, as you say - the traditional tie between nationalism and the language, which serves to exclude non-Welsh speakers (not an issue in Scotland given Gaelic's obscurity) - and the fact that large populations in both South and to a lesser extent North East Wales were originally immigrants from England
As the late Mr Salmond himself said, Scottish independence is an economic cause, Welsh independence a cultural one.
Trouble is, the SNP can't make that economic case.
Which is why they don't try any more. It's all lightly veiled Anglophobia now, must get away from the terrible English and their perfidious schemes to crush Scotland.
I’m sure you have a list of examples of this Anglophobia, it being so lightly veiled and all. Would be interested to see it.
I just want get away from the terrible wankers that the English elect and therefore govern us. We of course have our own wankers and despite the absolutely pisspoor opposition, at least don’t have them imposed on us.
There was a time when England voted Tory and Labour ran the country because of Scottish MP's.
I am broadly sympathetic to Scottish Independence. If the majority of Scots want it then so be it. I certainly don't think the UK government should suppress it. But I am yet to see a clear case that the majority of Scots DO want independence. Pegging it to local elections, or even the general election results is not enough, as people vote for different things.
You know, we had this vote back in 2014 which was supposed to have resolved the matter for a generation.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
Genuine question to those loudly exhorting folk to show solidarity with British Jews and to stop conflating them with Israel. Should British Jews make statements distancing themselves from the state of Israel and its actions? It might clear up where the conflating bit starts.
It’s antisemitism btw.
Should we have a Loyalty Oath test for Palestinians, Muslims, Irish, Scots -
“I solemnly abjure the following list of wrong think, so I can have civil rights”
It's like I can only condemn a Sinophobic attack on a British Chinese person if I've assured myself that we're aligned in our views about Hong Kong, Taiwain, the Uyghurs etc.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They don't have to ban the Internet. They could just push for social media to go back to the moderation policies they had a few years ago and to try a bit harder to not spread hate.
Make social media companies more responsible for what is on their platforms and what the algorithm serves to people.
You mean go back to the social media rules when X was run by the Woke left and they banned billions of right wing accounts and, at the behest of the Democratic Party in DC, literally censored prohibited discussion of stuff like “lab leak” because it was seen to assist Trump?
You want to go back to THAT social media? How surprising
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
I am in most of my views leftish-liberal, but I really despair at the equivocations around antisemitism from so many on the left. If you can't condemn antisemitism without some mealy-mouthed qualification concerning Israel and Zionism, frankly I don't give any credence to your claims to be an anti-racist.
Critisise “The government of Israel” or “Netanyahu and his supporters”, absolutely fair.
As soon as people start talking about “Zionism”, it’s plainly clear to most normies what they actually mean.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
Genuine question to those loudly exhorting folk to show solidarity with British Jews and to stop conflating them with Israel. Should British Jews make statements distancing themselves from the state of Israel and its actions? It might clear up where the conflating bit starts.
It’s antisemitism btw.
Should we have a Loyalty Oath test for Palestinians, Muslims, Irish, Scots -
“I solemnly abjure the following list of wrong think, so I can have civil rights”
It's like I can only condemn a Sinophobic attack on a British Chinese person if I've assured myself that we're aligned in our views about Hong Kong, Taiwain, the Uyghurs etc.
Have you signed the Loyalty Oath?
If not, you are a wrongun.
We all know what happens to wronguns, kids, don’t we?
If BoE puts rates to 5+% and Trump forces Fed to go to 1% what will happen to the £?
Not going to happen, but if it did the pound would rise against the dollar, and petrol in £ would get cheaper. And we’d all go Christmas shopping in New York for the weekend, as happened a couple of decades ago.
So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?
A mix of history - Wales has never really functioned as a stand-alone polity - economics and geography, as you say - the traditional tie between nationalism and the language, which serves to exclude non-Welsh speakers (not an issue in Scotland given Gaelic's obscurity) - and the fact that large populations in both South and to a lesser extent North East Wales were originally immigrants from England
As the late Mr Salmond himself said, Scottish independence is an economic cause, Welsh independence a cultural one.
Trouble is, the SNP can't make that economic case.
Which is why they don't try any more. It's all lightly veiled Anglophobia now, must get away from the terrible English and their perfidious schemes to crush Scotland.
I’m sure you have a list of examples of this Anglophobia, it being so lightly veiled and all. Would be interested to see it.
I just want get away from the terrible wankers that the English elect and therefore govern us. We of course have our own wankers and despite the absolutely pisspoor opposition, at least don’t have them imposed on us.
There was a time when England voted Tory and Labour ran the country because of Scottish MP's.
I am broadly sympathetic to Scottish Independence. If the majority of Scots want it then so be it. I certainly don't think the UK government should suppress it. But I am yet to see a clear case that the majority of Scots DO want independence. Pegging it to local elections, or even the general election results is not enough, as people vote for different things.
The condition for a Northern Ireland border poll is, in law:
"if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland”, the Secretary of State shall make an Order in Council enabling a border poll.
For use in IPCC reports, probability ranges were assigned to words used in the reports. "Likely" is defined as having a 66 - 100% probability. The two neighbouring probability terms were, "as likely as not" [33 - 66% probability] and, "very likely" [90 - 100% probability].
Given that an SNP majority at Holyrood in 2011 was followed by a defeat by ~10pp in the following independence referendum, I think we can safely conclude that another such victory by the SNP at Holyrood would not be convincing evidence for the success of a future referendum. In 2011 the constituency vote for the SNP was 45.4% and the vote for Independence at the following referendum was 44.7%, so the constituency vote for the SNP might be a reasonably decent proxy for the vote for independence in a referendum.
If the SNP were to receive ~55% of the constituency vote in a Holyrood election then I would conclude that it was likely an independence referendum would be won, and so one should be held.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
I am in most of my views leftish-liberal, but I really despair at the equivocations around antisemitism from so many on the left. If you can't condemn antisemitism without some mealy-mouthed qualification concerning Israel and Zionism, frankly I don't give any credence to your claims to be an anti-racist.
Critisise “The government of Israel” or “Netanyahu and his supporters”, absolutely fair.
As soon as people start talking about “Zionism”, it’s plainly clear to most normies what they actually mean.
It's not even relevant. People have a right to go about their business unmolested while also being visibly Jewish.
Brent oil price has lost some its earlier crazy froth, but still at $114.
Traded above $90 now for 50 consecutive days.
Impact is ten times that of the Ukrainian war.
So, we are looking for a holiday at the end of this month/beginning of June. My better half has heard me muttering about shortages of jet fuel and travel disruption in countries who seem less keen to have a tourist industry going forward. It is genuinely impacting on where we get to use our new passports. We are even thinking about holidays in this country (again).
I would be interested to know if anyone has any great insight into this. A couple of weeks ago we were told that we had about 6 weeks jet fuel left but it seems to have had a much lower profile since then. Has this gone away?
Great idea but we’d need portable electric bike charging leads too, preferably with a uniform end that plugs into the socket in the charging point.
One example could be a 3 pin external socket. Most of us carry a chargers for use in eg cafes if we have detachable batteries. I get RCD protected doubles for about £25. The cost would be negligible if made a standard requirement for street-side or parking area chargers.
it looks like a basic legal requirement under "Equal provision of services" law, which has been in place for more than 3 decades.
It feels to me to be one that has just not been thought about - a blindspot. I'm embarrassed that I had not copped this one.
It would cause mental explosions amongst the "roads are for motor vehicles" brigade, but that's just something that happens whatever you do. A person using a mobility scooter is an equally important traveller as a person in a motor vehicle (and in law arguably a more entitled road user).
Jesus X Christ. The people on TwiX complaining about the police kicking the knife suspect WHO WAS REFUSING TO SURRENDER AND STILL HOLDING A KNIFE. JUST AFTER BRUTALLY STABBING TWO JEWS
They are insane and they are all on the hard left and they are all deeply anti-Semitic. And so many come from the Celtic fringe it is bizarre. Scot Nats, Irish of all stripes, even - I am ashamed to admit - Cornish “nationalists”
I think Celtic Nats somehow see themselves as like the persecuted Palestinians. It is so utterly cringe and pathetic and they have a mental age of 8
Whenever I see something outrageous posted by a random I haven't heard of on social media I pretty much reflexively leap to the thought that it's probably been posted by a tragic wage slave in a St Petersburg troll factory, and it just washes past me.
Which is a pretty convenient way to ignore genuinely troubling opinions, held by real live people, who encourage others to do the awful antisemitic crimes we are now seeing daily
Not really. I can take those troubling opinions seriously when they are expressed by provably true people - such as the candidates who were standing for election for the greens, but have been suspended.
I think it is better to focus on provably true things, rather than to jump on the outrage bus over things on social media that might not be true.
There was a brief, glorious moment on twitter when you could identify from what country someone was posting. It’s how I discovered a large chunk of the anti-cycling weirdos pretending to be Brits were just Turks and Pakistanis ramping each other up.
Sadly you occasionally get a sad loner who gets swept along in the tide and does something stupid.
If BoE puts rates to 5+% and Trump forces Fed to go to 1% what will happen to the £?
Quite complicated. Should initially see Sterling appreciate materially but then we would be in a recession and the US might well find currency manipulation somewhat more effective than tariffs.
So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?
Well I think I’m right in saying that Welsh gdp per head is about 75% of the U.K. average. That’s about Slovakia/Portugal levels and is in itself before you took off back office U.K. jobs like the DVLA in Swansea, Companies House in Cardiff, Stats and Patent offices in Newport, the Army in Brecon, the RAF on Anglesey etc etc and the transfers to level benefits and pensions to U.K. levels. In other words it makes a full fat five years of Zack Polanski govt in Westminster look like a mild cold compared to bubonic plague.
And that’s before we get to the Euro/Sterling, EU/English single market questions.
Oddly the much healthier position of the Welsh language could provide a drag with latent suspicions that everyone would be made to convert ( wouldn’t happen in reality, but it’s a question that doesn’t even arise in Scotland given about 1% speak Gaelic).
Interestingly too about 30% of the population is not born in Wales ( overwhelmingly in England) and I’d guess two thirds of the population lives within an hour of the English border, so the obvious integration with England runs deeper than Scotland.
Great idea but we’d need portable electric bike charging leads too, preferably with a uniform end that plugs into the socket in the charging point.
One example could be a 3 pin external socket. Most of us carry a chargers for use in eg cafes if we have detachable batteries. I get RCD protected doubles for about £25. The cost would be negligible if made a standard requirement for street-side or parking area chargers.
it looks like a basic legal requirement under "Equal provision of services" law, which has been in place for more than 3 decades.
It feels to me to be one that has just not been thought about - a blindspot. I'm embarrassed that I had not copped this one.
It would cause mental explosions amongst the "roads are for motor vehicles" brigade, but that's just something that happens whatever you do. A person using a mobility scooter is an equally important traveller as a person in a motor vehicle (and in law arguably a more entitled road user).
Car chargers are now legally supposed to be smart with delayed starts (to ensure we don't get a peak surge when they all switch on at the exact same second) and are often controlled by 3rd party apps. I'm trying to work out what you are aiming to achieve here that can't be fixed by an outdoor 13amp plug..
Brent oil price has lost some its earlier crazy froth, but still at $114.
Traded above $90 now for 50 consecutive days.
Impact is ten times that of the Ukrainian war.
So, we are looking for a holiday at the end of this month/beginning of June. My better half has heard me muttering about shortages of jet fuel and travel disruption in countries who seem less keen to have a tourist industry going forward. It is genuinely impacting on where we get to use our new passports. We are even thinking about holidays in this country (again).
I would be interested to know if anyone has any great insight into this. A couple of weeks ago we were told that we had about 6 weeks jet fuel left but it seems to have had a much lower profile since then. Has this gone away?
It looks like most of the shortage in supply is being made up by running down inventories, particularly from the US. I have no idea how long that can go on for.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
Genuine question to those loudly exhorting folk to show solidarity with British Jews and to stop conflating them with Israel. Should British Jews make statements distancing themselves from the state of Israel and its actions? It might clear up where the conflating bit starts.
It’s antisemitism btw.
Should we have a Loyalty Oath test for Palestinians, Muslims, Irish, Scots -
“I solemnly abjure the following list of wrong think, so I can have civil rights”
It can get a bit confusing when the chief rabbi chats about ‘our brave soldiers’ in Gaza. Wouldn’t want to think that the SAS might be involved in war crimes.
So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?
Well I think I’m right in saying that Welsh gdp per head is about 75% of the U.K. average. That’s about Slovakia/Portugal levels and is in itself before you took off back office U.K. jobs like the DVLA in Swansea, Companies House in Cardiff, Stats and Patent offices in Newport, the Army in Brecon, the RAF on Anglesey etc etc and the transfers to level benefits and pensions to U.K. levels. In other words it makes a full fat five years of Zack Polanski govt in Westminster look like a mild cold compared to bubonic plague.
And that’s before we get to the Euro/Sterling, EU/English single market questions.
Oddly the much healthier position of the Welsh language could provide a drag with latent suspicions that everyone would be made to convert ( wouldn’t happen in reality, but it’s a question that doesn’t even arise in Scotland given about 1% speak Gaelic).
Interestingly too about 30% of the population is not born in Wales ( overwhelmingly in England) and I’d guess two thirds of the population lives within an hour of the English border, so the obvious integration with England runs deeper than Scotland.
On your last point: Wales is better linked to England than it is to itself. It is much easier to get from North Wales to Liverpool and Manchester than it is to Cardiff. And from South Wales to Bristol and London than to Wrexham or Holyhead. This isn't really true of Scotland, which is a more coherent economic unit. That doesn't necessarily affect feelings of nationhood, but it probably does affect how people feel about going it alone as a country.
There was a brief, glorious moment on twitter when you could identify from what country someone was posting. It’s how I discovered a large chunk of the anti-cycling weirdos pretending to be Brits were just Turks and Pakistanis ramping each other up.
Sadly you occasionally get a sad loner who gets swept along in the tide and does something stupid.
Yes, a lot of people from SE Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe, were posing as Westerners, and generating engagement clickbait for dollar payouts from X.
They’ve clamped down hard on this in the last few weeks, and it appears a lot better.
Complaints have been from those who lost their payouts, and people such as Ukranians, Iranians, Emiratis etc, who don’t want to see each other but rather generate a worldwide audience for their plight to counter media narratives. There’s some positive movement on the warzone posters in recent days, at least as far as I can see.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
Genuine question to those loudly exhorting folk to show solidarity with British Jews and to stop conflating them with Israel. Should British Jews make statements distancing themselves from the state of Israel and its actions? It might clear up where the conflating bit starts.
It’s antisemitism btw.
Should we have a Loyalty Oath test for Palestinians, Muslims, Irish, Scots -
“I solemnly abjure the following list of wrong think, so I can have civil rights”
It can get a bit confusing when the chief rabbi chats about ‘our brave soldiers’ in Gaza. Wouldn’t want to think that the SAS might be involved in war crimes.
So if an Imam says something, then all Muslims are complicit?
You are aware that large numbers of Catholics don’t listen to the Pope?
Also, you haven’t signed the Loyalty Oath yet. Since you are a Scottish Nationalist, you are a bit associated with those Nat twats who were going on about commuting actual violence a while back. Since you are a bit associated, I’m afraid you will be locked up in the basement of Edinburgh Castle for an indefinite period. Sorry about that.
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
Genuine question to those loudly exhorting folk to show solidarity with British Jews and to stop conflating them with Israel. Should British Jews make statements distancing themselves from the state of Israel and its actions? It might clear up where the conflating bit starts.
It’s antisemitism btw.
Should we have a Loyalty Oath test for Palestinians, Muslims, Irish, Scots -
“I solemnly abjure the following list of wrong think, so I can have civil rights”
It can get a bit confusing when the chief rabbi chats about ‘our brave soldiers’ in Gaza. Wouldn’t want to think that the SAS might be involved in war crimes.
So if an Imam says something, then all Muslims are complicit?
You are aware that large numbers of Catholics don’t listen to the Pope?
Also, you haven’t signed the Loyalty Oath yet. Since you are a Scottish Nationalist, you are a bit associated with those Nat twats who were going on about commuting actual violence a while back. Since you are a bit associated, I’m afraid you will be locked up in the basement of Edinburgh Castle for an indefinite period. Sorry about that.
Apologies Malmesbury, but I believe you've spoken in favour of nuclear weapons in the past. I'm going to have to associate you with General MacArthur's request to use multiple nuclear weapons in an attempt to win the Korean War. As I'm sure you are aware this would have caused indiscriminate slaughter of civilians, and is therefore contrary to International Law.
if you would please come quietly, there's a good chap. Plead guilty and I'm sure you'll be out on tag in eight months or so...
FPT: One of the good things happening in the US is the slow recovery of our civil rights laws from the decades-long attacks (mostly from the left). The Supreme Court deserves the most credit for that recovery.
The recent decision on "majority-minority" districts is a good example of that recovery. As Chief Justice John Roberts said, back in 2005, “the way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”
Incidentally, the decision is likely to help the Democratic Party in the long run. The central idea behind gerrymandering is to concentrate the other party's voters in a few districts; majority/minority districts often do exactly that. When the idea was first discussed, I expected unscrupulous Republicans to work with minority Democrats who wanted safe seats -- and that does appear to have happened in some states.
There was a brief, glorious moment on twitter when you could identify from what country someone was posting. It’s how I discovered a large chunk of the anti-cycling weirdos pretending to be Brits were just Turks and Pakistanis ramping each other up.
Sadly you occasionally get a sad loner who gets swept along in the tide and does something stupid.
Yes, a lot of people from SE Asia, Africa, Eastern Europe, were posing as Westerners, and generating engagement clickbait for dollar payouts from X.
They’ve clamped down hard on this in the last few weeks, and it appears a lot better.
Complaints have been from those who lost their payouts, and people such as Ukranians, Iranians, Emiratis etc, who don’t want to see each other but rather generate a worldwide audience for their plight to counter media narratives. There’s some positive movement on the warzone posters in recent days, at least as far as I can see.
Given Meta's revenue by regions, there probably a viable market for a first world only social network with aggressive, hostile blocking and purging of the RoW.
So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?
Well I think I’m right in saying that Welsh gdp per head is about 75% of the U.K. average. That’s about Slovakia/Portugal levels and is in itself before you took off back office U.K. jobs like the DVLA in Swansea, Companies House in Cardiff, Stats and Patent offices in Newport, the Army in Brecon, the RAF on Anglesey etc etc and the transfers to level benefits and pensions to U.K. levels. In other words it makes a full fat five years of Zack Polanski govt in Westminster look like a mild cold compared to bubonic plague.
And that’s before we get to the Euro/Sterling, EU/English single market questions.
Oddly the much healthier position of the Welsh language could provide a drag with latent suspicions that everyone would be made to convert ( wouldn’t happen in reality, but it’s a question that doesn’t even arise in Scotland given about 1% speak Gaelic).
Interestingly too about 30% of the population is not born in Wales ( overwhelmingly in England) and I’d guess two thirds of the population lives within an hour of the English border, so the obvious integration with England runs deeper than Scotland.
On your last point: Wales is better linked to England than it is to itself. It is much easier to get from North Wales to Liverpool and Manchester than it is to Cardiff. And from South Wales to Bristol and London than to Wrexham or Holyhead. This isn't really true of Scotland, which is a more coherent economic unit. That doesn't necessarily affect feelings of nationhood, but it probably does affect how people feel about going it alone as a country.
Yes I think that’s right. For example, Newport saw a 9% population increase at the last census, the biggest in Wales, with a considerable proportion likely being Bristolians seeing how much further the money goes there, whilst having toll free commuting travel these days across the Severn. Manchester is about 1 hr 15 from Wrexham too, whilst Cardiff is probably 5 hours from Holyhead.
Yet none of that is going to stop anyone equally draping themselves in a dragon to watch rugby or football be they in Cowbridge or Caersws.
Great idea but we’d need portable electric bike charging leads too, preferably with a uniform end that plugs into the socket in the charging point.
One example could be a 3 pin external socket. Most of us carry a chargers for use in eg cafes if we have detachable batteries. I get RCD protected doubles for about £25. The cost would be negligible if made a standard requirement for street-side or parking area chargers.
it looks like a basic legal requirement under "Equal provision of services" law, which has been in place for more than 3 decades.
It feels to me to be one that has just not been thought about - a blindspot. I'm embarrassed that I had not copped this one.
It would cause mental explosions amongst the "roads are for motor vehicles" brigade, but that's just something that happens whatever you do. A person using a mobility scooter is an equally important traveller as a person in a motor vehicle (and in law arguably a more entitled road user).
Car chargers are now legally supposed to be smart with delayed starts (to ensure we don't get a peak surge when they all switch on at the exact same second) and are often controlled by 3rd party apps. I'm trying to work out what you are aiming to achieve here that can't be fixed by an outdoor 13amp plug..
I think it could be fixed by an outdoor 13 amp plug on every electric charging point. So why are they not fitted already by default?
The original video (worth a watch) was because the Youtuber was not able to go more than the range of his battery because public charging facilities were not available for electric bicycles and mobility aids - so in his case he is limited to 15 miles out and 15 miles back, as it was a 30 mile battery.
He said "Petrol stations are being replaced by charging staitons - why is my electric cycle not in the picture?", and went from there,
I agree with him, I'm interested that it was not done anyway (eg covered in the British Charging Points Standard), or required by Local Authorities in their project specs, and that it has been a blind spot for me that I should not have missed.
Labour Party approach to anti semitism after the latest attack on Jews from a, as reported in the press., British National
My proposal of what to do...
Ban Twitter. It's full of antisemitism. From the right, from the left.
Well, Elon did post "You have said the actual truth" in a reply to a Tweet saying that the Jews were engineering the mass migration of minorities to eliminate white people.
The bit I never really understood about this is why the Jews would be keen to import to lots of Muslims who hate them rather more -on average- than white people.
The idea of removing defence spending from the scope of fiscal rules is gaining traction. Andy Burnham mentioned it yesterday (“There’s certainly a case, when we look at the pressure on defence spending, to consider that exceptionally outside of the rules”). What might this mean?
What exactly is the government supposed to do re anti-Semitism?
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
They can use the bully pulpit of office to be very clear that anti-Semitism is unacceptable and make sure that the police enforce this by arresting those with anti-Semetic signs and slogans at the various protests. In fairness, I thought the Home Secretary was good about that this morning on Today but it needs consistent messaging and action, not some soft words in the face of a particular tragedy. Too many in Labour are more concerned with winning back the votes of the Muslim population than they are about right and wrong.
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
Genuine question to those loudly exhorting folk to show solidarity with British Jews and to stop conflating them with Israel. Should British Jews make statements distancing themselves from the state of Israel and its actions? It might clear up where the conflating bit starts.
It’s antisemitism btw.
Should we have a Loyalty Oath test for Palestinians, Muslims, Irish, Scots -
“I solemnly abjure the following list of wrong think, so I can have civil rights”
It can get a bit confusing when the chief rabbi chats about ‘our brave soldiers’ in Gaza. Wouldn’t want to think that the SAS might be involved in war crimes.
So if an Imam says something, then all Muslims are complicit?
You are aware that large numbers of Catholics don’t listen to the Pope?
Also, you haven’t signed the Loyalty Oath yet. Since you are a Scottish Nationalist, you are a bit associated with those Nat twats who were going on about commuting actual violence a while back. Since you are a bit associated, I’m afraid you will be locked up in the basement of Edinburgh Castle for an indefinite period. Sorry about that.
Apologies Malmesbury, but I believe you've spoken in favour of nuclear weapons in the past. I'm going to have to associate you with General MacArthur's request to use multiple nuclear weapons in an attempt to win the Korean War. As I'm sure you are aware this would have caused indiscriminate slaughter of civilians, and is therefore contrary to International Law.
if you would please come quietly, there's a good chap. Plead guilty and I'm sure you'll be out on tag in eight months or so...
As the instigator of the Loyalty Oath Crusade (ha!) I am grandfathered in and have absolution against any and all Loyalty issues.
The Oaths are for members of the Outer Party and The Proles, in any case.
Do keep up.
Your attempt to inconvenience a member of the Inner Party has been noted, comrade. The Met will be along to ProtectServe you, shortly.
So why is Wales so different from Scotland? Longer time joined to England? Better appreciation of economic reality?
Well I think I’m right in saying that Welsh gdp per head is about 75% of the U.K. average. That’s about Slovakia/Portugal levels and is in itself before you took off back office U.K. jobs like the DVLA in Swansea, Companies House in Cardiff, Stats and Patent offices in Newport, the Army in Brecon, the RAF on Anglesey etc etc and the transfers to level benefits and pensions to U.K. levels. In other words it makes a full fat five years of Zack Polanski govt in Westminster look like a mild cold compared to bubonic plague.
And that’s before we get to the Euro/Sterling, EU/English single market questions.
Oddly the much healthier position of the Welsh language could provide a drag with latent suspicions that everyone would be made to convert ( wouldn’t happen in reality, but it’s a question that doesn’t even arise in Scotland given about 1% speak Gaelic).
Interestingly too about 30% of the population is not born in Wales ( overwhelmingly in England) and I’d guess two thirds of the population lives within an hour of the English border, so the obvious integration with England runs deeper than Scotland.
On your last point: Wales is better linked to England than it is to itself. It is much easier to get from North Wales to Liverpool and Manchester than it is to Cardiff. And from South Wales to Bristol and London than to Wrexham or Holyhead. This isn't really true of Scotland, which is a more coherent economic unit. That doesn't necessarily affect feelings of nationhood, but it probably does affect how people feel about going it alone as a country.
Yes I think that’s right. For example, Newport saw a 9% population increase at the last census, the biggest in Wales, with a considerable proportion likely being Bristolians seeing how much further the money goes there, whilst having toll free commuting travel these days across the Severn. Manchester is about 1 hr 15 from Wrexham too, whilst Cardiff is probably 5 hours from Holyhead.
Yet none of that is going to stop anyone equally draping themselves in a dragon to watch rugby or football be they in Cowbridge or Caersws.
Therein lies Plaid’s ultimate conundrum.
Well, Labour have failed in nearly thirty years of running Welsh government to improve transport links between North and South Wales, so I guess that would be an obvious place for Plaid to start.
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Twitter from what I see has lots of people who oppose Zionist Genocide but hardly anyone who is against Judaism.
In the UK surely it would be fine for me to suggest that anyone who doesn't vote for the only Party with a Jewish leader is an AntiSemite by the ridiculous arguments used by others
It's worth listening to, if only to reflect on how far we've come since then. Back in those days, an inept and unpopular Labour government was shovelling unearned pay increases at its trade union masters, failing to deal with inflation caused mainly by high oil prices, rolling over in its relations with Europe, gaining the contempt of a conservative American administration, facing a new and untried female Conservative leader and completely lacking a sense of vision or direction about how it was going to make the country a better place.
In fact, the only thing keeping the Prime Minister in power was the suspicion that all the alternatives would be even worse.
So thank God we've moved on so far from those dark days.
Unless you ban the internet and bring in the thought police! And it was pretty disgraceful to have a crowd calling Starmer a traitor for not being able to stop a problem which is impossible to stop .
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effect_of_the_Gaza_war_on_children_in_the_Gaza_Strip
So not a politician then?
Plus if you do not support the only Party led by a Jew you are an Anti Semite
Good grief.
The United Nations, UNICEF and Oxfam are not arbiters of the truth.
They are insane and they are all on the hard left and they are all deeply anti-Semitic. And so many come from the Celtic fringe it is bizarre. Scot Nats, Irish of all stripes, even - I am ashamed to admit - Cornish “nationalists”
I think Celtic Nats somehow see themselves as like the persecuted Palestinians. It is so utterly cringe and pathetic and they have a mental age of 8
Two Green Party candidates have been arrested on suspicion of stirring up racial hatred for allegedly posting antisemitic comments online
One of them posted a placard that read "ramming a synagogue isn’t anti-Semitism, it’s revenge"
Anyone who supports the racist endeavour that Israel has become must automatically be racist surely.
My Jewish leader agrees with me on all the above.
Starmer heckled as he visits terror attack scene
Reform - deport the assailant if found guilty
Starmer is both labour and the county's problem and labour need to act next weekend to lance the boil
Cabinet ministers need to ask how long can they continue supporting such a lame duck PM and at the same time handing Reform and the Greens tens of thousands of votes
I have been very critical of Israel's actions in Gaza, the West Bank and now Iran. But genocidal policies by the Israeli government is no excuse for anti-Sematism here. This isn't complicated and we need to be clear and loud about it.
William Glenn beat me to it
Rich people have always done that, by e.g. buying a newspaper, but social media ratchets up the effect.
Unfortunately whether people like to admit it or not the spike in attacks here has correlated with the IDFs collective punishment of Gazans . And we’ve seen a further spike as the IDF started killing people in the Lebanon .
The BBC had a graph and it clearly shows what’s happened post Gaza .
To state reality now is no no in the UK . It’s not condoning violence to simply point out what’s happened .
Netenyahu should STFU with his lectures and criticism of the UK government.
All electrical car charging points should include a socket for charging electric cycles and mobility aids. Why was this not done anyway?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6IyukCIia8
But Labour have shown very little concern about winning back votes lost due to their position on Gaza (which is not only Muslim votes by the way).
It's one of the reasons the Green Party is doing so well.
Whether he can actually make that distinction and whether he wants to, I don't know. Some statements he's made have not seemed so helpful.
Should British Jews make statements distancing themselves from the state of Israel and its actions? It might clear up where the conflating bit starts.
It’s antisemitism btw.
Make social media companies more responsible for what is on their platforms and what the algorithm serves to people.
“I solemnly abjure the following list of wrong think, so I can have civil rights”
Diane James, the onetime Ukip leader, among Reform's slate of candidates up next week
Salud.
I am broadly sympathetic to Scottish Independence. If the majority of Scots want it then so be it. I certainly don't think the UK government should suppress it. But I am yet to see a clear case that the majority of Scots DO want independence. Pegging it to local elections, or even the general election results is not enough, as people vote for different things.
You want to go back to THAT social media? How surprising
Traded above $90 now for 50 consecutive days.
Impact is ten times that of the Ukrainian war.
There are no tanks.
As soon as people start talking about “Zionism”, it’s plainly clear to most normies what they actually mean.
If not, you are a wrongun.
We all know what happens to wronguns, kids, don’t we?
"if at any time it appears likely to him that a majority of those voting would express a wish that Northern Ireland should cease to be part of the United Kingdom and form part of a united Ireland”, the Secretary of State shall make an Order in Council enabling a border poll.
For use in IPCC reports, probability ranges were assigned to words used in the reports. "Likely" is defined as having a 66 - 100% probability. The two neighbouring probability terms were, "as likely as not" [33 - 66% probability] and, "very likely" [90 - 100% probability].
Given that an SNP majority at Holyrood in 2011 was followed by a defeat by ~10pp in the following independence referendum, I think we can safely conclude that another such victory by the SNP at Holyrood would not be convincing evidence for the success of a future referendum. In 2011 the constituency vote for the SNP was 45.4% and the vote for Independence at the following referendum was 44.7%, so the constituency vote for the SNP might be a reasonably decent proxy for the vote for independence in a referendum.
If the SNP were to receive ~55% of the constituency vote in a Holyrood election then I would conclude that it was likely an independence referendum would be won, and so one should be held.
I would be interested to know if anyone has any great insight into this. A couple of weeks ago we were told that we had about 6 weeks jet fuel left but it seems to have had a much lower profile since then. Has this gone away?
it looks like a basic legal requirement under "Equal provision of services" law, which has been in place for more than 3 decades.
It feels to me to be one that has just not been thought about - a blindspot. I'm embarrassed that I had not copped this one.
It would cause mental explosions amongst the "roads are for motor vehicles" brigade, but that's just something that happens whatever you do. A person using a mobility scooter is an equally important traveller as a person in a motor vehicle (and in law arguably a more entitled road user).
I think it is better to focus on provably true things, rather than to jump on the outrage bus over things on social media that might not be true.
Sadly you occasionally get a sad loner who gets swept along in the tide and does something stupid.
And that’s before we get to the Euro/Sterling, EU/English single market questions.
Oddly the much healthier position of the Welsh language could provide a drag with latent suspicions that everyone would be made to convert ( wouldn’t happen in reality, but it’s a question that doesn’t even arise in Scotland given about 1% speak Gaelic).
Interestingly too about 30% of the population is not born in Wales ( overwhelmingly in England) and I’d guess two thirds of the population lives within an hour of the English border, so the obvious integration with England runs deeper than Scotland.
This isn't really true of Scotland, which is a more coherent economic unit.
That doesn't necessarily affect feelings of nationhood, but it probably does affect how people feel about going it alone as a country.
They’ve clamped down hard on this in the last few weeks, and it appears a lot better.
Complaints have been from those who lost their payouts, and people such as Ukranians, Iranians, Emiratis etc, who don’t want to see each other but rather generate a worldwide audience for their plight to counter media narratives. There’s some positive movement on the warzone posters in recent days, at least as far as I can see.
You are aware that large numbers of Catholics don’t listen to the Pope?
Also, you haven’t signed the Loyalty Oath yet. Since you are a Scottish Nationalist, you are a bit associated with those Nat twats who were going on about commuting actual violence a while back. Since you are a bit associated, I’m afraid you will be locked up in the basement of Edinburgh Castle for an indefinite period. Sorry about that.
if you would please come quietly, there's a good chap. Plead guilty and I'm sure you'll be out on tag in eight months or so...
The recent decision on "majority-minority" districts is a good example of that recovery. As Chief Justice John Roberts said, back in 2005, “the way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.”
Incidentally, the decision is likely to help the Democratic Party in the long run. The central idea behind gerrymandering is to concentrate the other party's voters in a few districts; majority/minority districts often do exactly that. When the idea was first discussed, I expected unscrupulous Republicans to work with minority Democrats who wanted safe seats -- and that does appear to have happened in some states.
'Exhausted' Eluned Morgan slips up to say 'vote Plaid Cymru' during election event
Yet none of that is going to stop anyone equally draping themselves in a dragon to watch rugby or football be they in Cowbridge or Caersws.
Therein lies Plaid’s ultimate conundrum.
The original video (worth a watch) was because the Youtuber was not able to go more than the range of his battery because public charging facilities were not available for electric bicycles and mobility aids - so in his case he is limited to 15 miles out and 15 miles back, as it was a 30 mile battery.
He said "Petrol stations are being replaced by charging staitons - why is my electric cycle not in the picture?", and went from there,
I agree with him, I'm interested that it was not done anyway (eg covered in the British Charging Points Standard), or required by Local Authorities in their project specs, and that it has been a blind spot for me that I should not have missed.
The bit I never really understood about this is why the Jews would be keen to import to lots of Muslims who hate them rather more -on average- than white people.
But then again, what do I know.
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The idea of removing defence spending from the scope of fiscal rules is gaining traction. Andy Burnham mentioned it yesterday (“There’s certainly a case, when we look at the pressure on defence spending, to consider that exceptionally outside of the rules”). What might this mean?
https://x.com/StewartWood/status/2049824854321316146
The Oaths are for members of the Outer Party and The Proles, in any case.
Do keep up.
Your attempt to inconvenience a member of the Inner Party has been noted, comrade. The Met will be along to ProtectServe you, shortly.